Porsche Macan EV Full Technical Deep Dive! Revealing Everything - Battery, Charging, Chassis, & More
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- Опубликовано: 16 май 2024
- Kyle traveled to Leipzig, Germany - the birthplace of the electric Porsche Macan, to meet with engineers to learn everything possible about the new Macan EV! Here's the full technical breakdown of PPE and specifically the Porsche adaptation of this platform with the Macan EV.
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0:00 - Hello & Welcome
2:04 - 3 Macan EV Prototypes
3:10 - What Is Macan EV?
6:58 - My Leipzig Visit Experience
10:00 - Battery Pack
23:31 - AC & DC Charging
35:25 - Motors / Suspension / Chassis
42:25 - My Track Session In Macan EV Turbo
48:52 - Performance Driving Impressions
54:00 - Off-Road Driving Impressions
57:12 - Software / Route Planner / HUD
1:04:01 - Final Thoughts / Summary
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It’s a long one but lots of info! I just spoke to an engineer about the heat scavenging situation and it actually sounds like the macan *will* heat scavenge! Apparently whoever I spoke to didn’t realize. Good news!
Excellent!
I am sure you will be disappointed by its performance and drift ability. Surely it will be worse than taycan
So what happens if it’s colder than -30 C? It get’s colder than that where I live in Montana
@@rcktmnit will probably heat the battery to preserve itself even when not being driven. Some other EVs employ this strategy as well
@@OskarHersch Yes you can pack more energy in a prismatic format than a cylendical but for themal rundown cylendical is the best choice for performance ev.
Such an awesome overview! Putting traditional media outlets to shame.
An SUV drifting so easily like a sharp knife just feels wrong. Congratulations Porsche!! 🤩
For once. A real and truly detailed and truly correct technical assessment. From me you get 5 stars for this. I wish all review channels had this level of detail. Maybe a short intro with top points , then the detail but otherwise, amazing and thank you.
Love the PPT presentation visual. So many videos talk about something but never show it. We need more of this!
Thank You for this info , amazing trip you were able to take! Your ability to educate us is outstanding.
Finally a Porsche Macan EV video 🙌 Thanks so much. Will enjoy watching this tomorrow. Its night time here in Norway 🇳🇴 but will be popcorn time tomorrow after work with this Porsche video 😋
Good work Kyle! Appreciate all the details.
Kyle, thank you for so much details!
Awesome in-depth tech coverage for the once-in-a-lifetime replatforming of transportation - great work!
A paradigm shift
top review, love the in-depth stuff, thank you so much for posting this!
Actually on of you best videos! I really like this concept of video. Really great video 👍
Wow, thanks for such a detail-rich summary Kyle. Macan EV looks absolutely awesome - if the smaller suv size fits the daily use requirement.
Kyle, still going strong. never stop. your excitement for EVs is infectious. Macan looks like a great value in a Porsche. I just hope they nail the quality. Taycan forums are littered with very concerning complaints about random HVAC failures and assorted other issues right down to door cards rattling.
you have no idea how random this is for me. The taycan of my parents decided to stop heating yesterday (4 degrees celsius outside) and I thought this was just a 1 in a million mistake, as the taycan has been an absolute blast until now. Gonna look into it because on such an expensive car, this is embarassing.
Porsche Macan was always my dream car and recently I am more and more excited about EV so this could be my ultimate dream car
32:30 my guess is they use the 6kW heater for heating up the battery coolant which then if equipped with Liquid cooled condenser, can bring the refrigerant to better temperature range for effective heat pump refrigerant zone. If equipped with air cooled condenser, then relies on ambient temp as refrigerant fluid can still scavenge energy from ambient < 0degC, although depending on refrigerant fluid if r1234yf can degrade below -10C Ambient. Heat Pump with r1234yf takes quite a long time to warm up cabin and battery at
The 180s1p configuration makes the Porsche battery more vulnerable to single cell failures, than most (all?) other EVs that have at least two cells in parallel. If one cell (due to fault) degrades 50%, the total battery capacity would go down 50% as well (until replaced). The relatively low voltage also suggests to me that they have plans for a larger battery in the future, with even more cells in series, by adding 2-4 of those 15s1p modules somewhere, like under the rear seat that Audi did on the Q8 e-tron.
A very good and very detailed initial review. Thank you!
O'wow.
I'm keen at this one - my future purchase.
great video as always!
Finally! This is the EV I have been waiting for
This is awesome. Looking at this for my next car (currently own a Taycan).
Nice video waiting for the exact launch date in Holland
Great video, Kyle!
You can tell the gentleman in the intro is actually going hard, he is so focused!
I waited so long for this.
what a great piece of German engineering this is. Hope it has the same level of exciting telemetry as the looks.
175 Wh/kg at pack level is pretty decent. Actually prismatic cells have good energy density and usually good power density as well. Pouch is the least preferred due to manufacturing complexities
I think a main concern of prismatic cells are cost, but VW group has so much volume that the cost benefits of having high volume can almost balance out the increased costs of prismatic cells
And expansion / safety issues
Plaid has 186 wh/kg.
Prismatic have decent ability to push the limits of packaging and attempt to use as little auxiliary equipment and material as possible. Quite sure that is pack density including thermal management.
@@mhsohel47🥱😴
I like the long deep diving videos.
20:27 the battery's power will not just be "burnt" in order to get it to a lower SOC, but the discharge electricity will be used to actively cool it
Cell manufacturer will be CATL, cells to be produced near Erfurt, which is less than 150 km from Leipzig
Both infos according to Electrive, german edition
Are you sure CATL is going to make NCM811 cells in Germany? I think LG announced that they are enforcing their IPR against Chinese battery makers on high nickel batteries earlier this year. I always thought that was why China focused so much on LFP for export instead.
Hello Kyle. Thank you for the video.
Is there an information available how many charging cycles for battery, what is expected battery capacity degradation within the time?
Thank you.
Great detail info! I want one.
Great video and I love the nerd out content! I appreciate your viewpoint coming from a Tesla owner to push Porsche on this EV journey.
Gotta have NACS
A dealer told me recently the new (facelift) Taycan will have a 106kw usable battery .. seems to tally up with that 23% density improvement. Also dealers are being told to move their charging stations onto the public side of their property rather than the private side, which obviously makes them far more accessible. Bang on re the journey planner, plug 'n charge, reliability, active route planning ... bingo ... meanwhile, back at the used car ad's .....
so going to enjoy this vid.......all been waiting a long while.....thx Kyle. I truly hope its so much better than Audi Q EVs.
Hey Kyle, i love your videos. Now knowing that you spent so much time at Porsche. Do you have some infos on the rumored 3 motor taycan?? Would love to hear more about it.
Great job! It’s good to have another ev option. I was expecting a better design like Taycan.
The car has still camouflage 😉
Thanks for the video. Were you able to get any info on the towing capacity? Or would that be something the Macan won't be able to do?
If they want to sell any of these in their own home market, it had better be able to tow something!
Amazing!
Superb content. Didn’t fast forward any of it. 2021 Porsche Cayenne S owner. Think this might be my next car.
Great first take Kyle. I just saw a European youtuber track testing the new Ioniq 5 N and it definitely gave me OG GTR vibes! Can't wait to see it in a comparison with the Macan from a performance standpoint.
when i saw this but no one else uploaded anything.... did they release this before they were suppose to? either way i'm downloading this
A future 22kW charging option was mentioned.
Indeed, does this require a hardware change or addition?
In the market to buy, would you choose Cayenne e-hybrid or wait for macan ev based on what you know at this point? Great video.
Not Kyle, but I think they're two wildly different missions.
Macan is for people who want/need a sporty hatch back, but want something bigger/more capable than a Golf (GTI/R). It handles and rides very nicely (not as good of handling as a Golf or sports sedan).
The Cayenne is a midsized SUV with a LOT more interior volume and the ability to tow 7000+lbs. It is larger and heavier making it less useable in the city and handles more like a traditional SUV than a large hatchback. It's also at least $20k more expensive than a similar Macan.
Do you think they went with prismatic cells so they can swap for QS Solid State cells later when production ramps up?
does not matter much with a module based system.
Packaging for modules most likely. Prismatic is bit of a "Well hiw good is it? Well how good they engineered it". Since prismatic is pretty much the custom world of cells. They come in all kinds of shapes and sizes depending on what one orders.
Prismatic get bad rep many old early cells were prismatic and lousy. The tech inside is no different to cylinders, just different form factor packaging.
Many start ups use cylinders, since you can source them as standard part from market.
Many legacy industrial players use "prismatic" since place large enough order and you get them on exactly the physical size you want. Battery supplier will cast the box to exact specification and then just cut and fold the battery cell sandwich to meet that size.
Tesla uses cylinders, since they started with laptop cylinder cells and they have production partnership with the major cylinder cell maker Panasonic.
Neither is right or wrong. More hiw you engineer ones usage of them and the details of the exact cellsone uses. Specially with "prismatic" since there is no standard to prismatic cells. There is very excellent prismatic cells and very lousy prismatic cells.
Magnificent
Loved the trying not to spew face!
Hi Kyle, it was a very good video - thank you. Btw, how old are you? (you mentioned at one portion of the video that you are young generation and want high-tech in a car)
How would you spec this if you were buying one? Spec, wheel size, tire etc? Thoughts on this vs Polestar 3 and Lotus Eletra ?
Just came across your channel. Great technical explanations and depth. I’ll be back. And I can’t wait to trade in my Macan S for an electric Macan.
Havent been able to watch entire video but do they have plans to be compatible with NACS? Thanks
there's already internal plans for it but no official announcements yet
I love all your videos, especially the nerdy ones.
Will the entry-level model have the option of rear-wheel steering?
Thanks for the details Kyle, the best video out there about Macan. As a skier and kiteboarder I'm not ready to go as big as R1S before having kids, so eagerly waiting this car to be my roadtripper and daily use combo upgrading from M3. It's a shame that they don't offer heat scavenging but I can live with that. 10-80 charging speed is the highest prority. With my 2019 M3 Performance the biggest problem I've got in Tahoe is that I can't precondition the battery without having to turn on the AC and burn the cabin with the defroster after a long skiing day. It's almost never enough at least with my car to precondition for 5-20 mins to the closest supercharger to get charging speeds over 50kw. Battery is almost always freezing, then you get stuck in a charger for more than an hour at 30kw charging speeds (which almost never improves during charging). It's just terrible. For the Route Planner pretty much all of them are useless for me after having to pay for charging (somehow managed to get by 4 years for free. ) Tesla route planner does not take charging $$$ into account. As if it's the most insignificant parameter but it definitely is not for any income level! On the way from Tahoe to SF rates differ dramatically from 50c to 20c. It's like opting to get $10/gal fuel vs $4/gal fuel which might be 3 mins futher. This is definitely something to be talked about. I get it’s better to influence behavior and reduce stress on the grid, but I wish Tesla offered some sort of subscription for not having to even think about demand charges. Anyhow not gonna keep ranting here, fantastic video, looking forward to testing the car!
He commented after that it does have heat scavenging. He learned this when doing the range test recently.
Love Porsche ❤
Kyle, when are you posting the full review on the GLE450 that you did a range test on a few months ago…
Any idea if they will switch to NACS?
Hi Kyle, where does Tesla mention the v4 will output 1000v? Given cyber truck can split battery for 400v charging why would they natively supply 1000v for v4 super charger?
Did you ever do an in depth description of Taycan like this ? that would be awesome since taycan is mentioned in the video
The cells are made by CATL and assembled in Germany per Autocar India channel
hi Kyle could you make a comparison to the IONIQ 5 N?
What about the driver assistance packages?
it would be awesome if Porsche could make a really efficient model like an Eco RWD base model. Give it the single motor from the Macan EV 4 trim and include 255 width 19in aero wheels all around. I assume that should boost the range by 10% over the base 4 model. If they can manage 300 miles of highway range that would be incredible along with its stupid fast charging
how is the heat management on the track! compared to tesla especially?
How is the app? Will it be keyless, can you use your phone and leave the key at home?
Wow I love it 🤯🤯🤯
EV6 GT not similar for track/fun?
When will you be long range testing it in the US, Kyle?
I was wondering about the heat scavenging, carmaniac had a drive with it and reported insane efficiency, like Model Y level …
Taycan daily recommended charge level is 85%. I use 80%. It’s displayed in the mobile app.
Is there really no easy way to set it?
I think the etron gt can set it.
When will it be available in the US? Thank you Kyle.
"Smiles per mile" is really good metering value. :D
Will it have OTA updates?
Very cool and needed EV for Porsche!
I had a gut feeling that you were teasing the Macan EV on twitter! But I was questioning that because the refreshed Panamera just came out, and I thought maybe Porsche wanted to separate those press releases out a little bit more
How does rear wheel steering affect drifting in snow or Scandinavian flicks on gravel?
Porsche has been using rear wheel steering for years now even in some 911, they ve been drifting fine :)
The Porsche center at 2:50 has an Evil Galactic Empire vibe
22kw onboard charger would probably be more relevant for european customers. Especially in public spaces 22kw chargers are very common here (at least in germany thats the case)
Hi Kyle
You've mentioned quite early that 22 mins ish is very respectful for 70 kW inputted
Have you ever tried to test charging speed to fill 50 kW for every car you've tested?
At least 50 kW could give you 160-220 miles driving range
Nvm
Come to think again the 10% challenge already shows most of it
Yeah, I think the 10% challenge (15 minute challenge) is probably a more practical / pragmatic demonstration of the ability to onboard energy for road trips. 70kwh on the Macan EV might be equivalent range to 40kwh on a Lucid or Model 3.
*kWh
Just a correction..its kWh, not kW
Who was the fellow doing the track session? I’m pretty sure I’ve seen him doing i4 m50 video on Nurburgring.
Excellent. How about dog mode / keep cimate on functionality? Did they extend the max timer limit from the existing product?
Need to be on tesla channel
@@hadtobe4502 😀
Any word about the new ADAS? The Macan definitely has a newer generation of ADAS compared to the Taycan (new radars, new wide angle front camera etc).
Also, the Macan is supposed to get Mobileye Supervision in the near future (some news sources were saying around 2025)
Pretty sure the adas software is part of the delay since has been written from ground by cariad.
@@evkx from what i've heard it's actually been due to their new electrical architecture, that allows all the components in the car to communicate more easily. Previously, all their suppliers did that software work, but now that they brought that in house, it's been a challenge because it's something they've never done before
@@nickbien yes, and ADAS is probably the most complex part of it
@@evkx when reviewers were doing test drives of the Audi q6 e-tron in august, lane keep assist and adaptive cruise control were operational, and the Macan ev should use a very similar system to the Q6 e-tron, so I don't think they were having too much trouble with the ADAS software.
@@nickbien yes, but if you look to brands like Xpeng (see test from Bjørn) their Adaptive Cruise is operational but terrible. The Same Tesla has promised FSD now for ever.
I'm willing to bet the Porsche Macan 4 will start at 75K and the Turbo model will start at 100K. Those are my guesses. I nailed the Cybertruck prices at 80k and 100K...
Regardless the car does not seem all that interesting aside from the huge battery and potentially 300+ highway range at 70mph. But I have a feeling they did not prioritize enough on efficiency. The new Ioniq N sounds like a much more interesting car. It has some neat features like drift mode, clutch kick drift, simulated gear shifts, engine sounds, etc. Overall it seems to do the "fun" aspect really well. Range will be 20% less than the Macan, but it also will cost 40% less while offering almost identical performance. Also it seems like Hyundai have tuned the N to be track focused allowing for fast charing and high speed racing back to back. Not as aggressive as Porsche is my guess, but that is to be expected given the price difference. Also the Ioniq 5 should be lighter and offer very similar space, dimensions, and probably even some luxury/tech.
As a current Macan S owner.... I think you're right on all fronts, but I'd also note that the $75k one will be before options, which in Porsche land means stupid omissions like no dimming mirrors, very basic, non-ventilated seats, basic stereo, no sunroof, no adaptive cruise, etc.
I'm guessing $83k / $105k for Macan 4 / Turbo with the tech package, a color, and wheels.
@@GregMcNamer Completely agree. No doubt you'll have to add on another 10K in packages to be competitive tech/feature wise to even some mainstream brands. My guess is base prices are around 75K for the base 4, but only time will tell.
The ICE Macan use to be okay value, but recently they've been jacking up its prices like crazy. Now 62,550 gets you into a base 2.0T Macan. That makes me question my 75K guess. Macan still might be the best driving, feeling, and handling car, but paying that much is ludicrous given its base interior and no options. An SQ5 starts at 58,790 and X3 M40i starts at 62,895. Both are better than a base Macan at everything except for slightly worse steering feel/feedback. Go figure.
Come on comparing Porsche vs Hyundai? Nearly every brand is cheaper than Porsche and has also good stats. If you want to drive a Porsche you have to pay for, same e.g. RR Spectre;)
@@user-br8ny2it9t I could compare to the BMW iX.
But if my goal is sporty EV hatch, the Ioniq is probably the closest competition.
I don't care about the badging, and I acknowledged there's a major difference in refinement.
I legitimately will cross-shop these vehicles. As much as I enjoy refinement, I also am not going to throw 10s of thousands of dollars at potentially minor improvements.
@@GregMcNamerQ6 etron would probably be the closest competition. 😅
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I suggest that Porsche should be giving you a commission or you should do so good videos. I just ordered a Macan Turbo 👍😊😊
Could it be that they're preparing for QS physiomatic cells that are solid state and would have that problem
What is that behind you in your office on the shelf that looks like a mint green Land Rover Series / Defender?
Any idea of the range ?
No definitive NACS plans as yet but they did at least put the charge port location in a very convenient Tesla-like place. Should make it easier after converting later.
Porsche say anything about NACS support through an adapter ?
maybe they can increase the boost over the air update?
theoretically yes. but why should they. the boost is depending on maximum temperature of the copper windings in the motor, electronics,.... you can't change the hardware with a software update. other companies might not keep an eye on wear out limits but a porsche should have a high reliability.
maybe a tuner can do this but then you would lose the warranty.
Charging port on the rear driver's side. Coincidence or NACS hoping/preparing?
Front right in Taycan is like rear left in Macan if you turn the car 😅
si have they gone away with the duar gear motor from the taycan as well?
Yes.
Great b-roll. Was this provided by Porsche or... Jordan? A lot of it reminded me of Jordan's style.
How small is small? I'm looking for a more fun replacement for the Ioniq 5 and boot space / practicability shouldn't be smaller than that.
When will announcement happen?
VR demos sound like a great way to prevent leaks.
Kyle, you know all them high priced presentation master classes they all teach people to first tell the audience what they will talk about, then lay it all out, and then repeat the highlights in the end. In theory that is the best way to present to an audience. Now look at your stats from youtube and see when people drop out of your videos. Are you still sure that is the best way? The amount of quality content is growing so fast a lot of people can't even keep up with their subscribtions these days. My point being, in this day and age, forget about those masterclasses. Drop the prolonged intro, keep more viewers and get better scores from the youtube algorhythem.
They should have come out with this first, it would have sold so much better than the sedan! A Cayenne EV and a Boxer EV should be next on their list, they will sell insanely well.
Porsche needs to work on this for some buyers to consider:
1. NACS charging port
2. Android auto compatibility
3. Price to be around 80k CAD (probably won't happen)
Android Auto is available in every Porsche since the Taycan's infotainment generation.
@@Ambroos glad to hear. Such a delay though. Wish earlier models had it
#2 is not really that relevant anymore, as the car uses Android Automotive ... you log in with your Google account and everything is done and dusted ... I drive a Polestar/Volvo (also Android Automotive based) and have never, ever connected my phone to the car's system to run Android Auto ... the car already has everything I need.
@@bartvanhoof6278 as far as I know they're not using Android Automotive with the Play Store yet. It's just Android, with a Porsche/VW-managed app store. So no Google Maps, Google Assistant or other Android Automotive things just yet. That'll come at some point in the future, starting with Audi (in the next generation of infotainment), but not here.