I'm a Fiat tech, even here in Italy we have lots of independent mechanics or even owners trying to replace the timing kit without using proper tools, then having the p0016 😂 Two tips I can give you are: 1- when you have the flasing MIL, you can do the crankshaft learning just doing the three revs method, without using the scan tool. 2- it's mandatory to reset the crankshaft self-learning values with the scan tool when you replace the timing belt, remove the phonic wheel or whenever you touch everything involving the timing. Failing to do this, will trigger multiple cylinders misfire when holding the engine at high rpm's (for example on highway). Happened to my personal car after replacing the timing belt and I was shocked when I discovered this...
I definitely learned something! I'll put it into my library of possible faults to look for. I really appreciate when you let us follow you through the rabbit holes - great video 👍
Again, well done. When you told the back story, I knew it had to be timing out! After a few minutes I jumped @55:00 where you explained the full story, then got the timing kit and re-timed cam and camshaft. I assume the original garage didn't use a timing kit! That's a simple engine, imagine that garage dealing with a wet belt engine or a non keyed magneic pulley! The original people, I won't call them mechanics, need to update themselves on procedures on newer vehicles and engines.
Good to know that once again one of the waveforms I have put up on Rotkee library have come in useful 🖕 it's the second one you have used of mine on your channel, we all at some point been sent down rabbit holes and left scratching our head.
Thanks for the video. There is lots of information , I had same problem with fiat 500, Customer asked to timing belt replacement and because I didn't have special timing tools I find same fault code and I couldn't erase the code because I missed two teeth. Thanks again for the video
Brilliant - Not your fault really - Im sure EVERY ONE has been given duff infomation at sometime - glad you found it in the end - Charge "person A " extra for the duff infomation !! !! Thank you
We used to get that fault condition when changing crank sensors on Fiat Punto's with the FIRE engine. You could get around it by doing a phonic wheel relearn, or just boot it to max rpm 3 times like you did here. I wonder did they damage or disturb something doing the sump job? Great video as always 👍
Some Fluke multimeters have a low Z setting. This allows you to measure voltages with a low ohm load (actually putting a load on the circuit rather than the typical multimeter).
Good job Luis 👍, I’ve dealt with this issue on this engine many times and corrected a few as lot of garages are changing the timing belt using paint marks with no tools and the timing then needs to a be a tiny bit out then engine starts missfiring after driven a distance , seen garages chuck parts on them like coils , ecu and it’s all was down to the timing slightly out- crazy
Another internet "expert"? Those engines can be done without timing tools and those can be a bit off, without tripping fault codes or giving drivability problems. There IS room for error. One must be really lame to trip codes (like P0016).
@@GrandePunto8V- yep it seems like you are an amateur fiat internet expert , and it’s people like you who set timing without tools and caused issues like Luis and I had , I’m not saying you cannot use paint - even I do sometimes to aid - I just mean this engine in the 500 and ka are very sensitive , you have just been fortunate not to have issues - you should always use special tools - that’s what they are made for to do the job properly- but happy painting anyways
@@tonyc8363you are correct fellow mechanic changed a belt on the fiat variant without the locking tools marked everything up with tipex he gave up after eight attempts trying to get it running right boss bought the timing tools job done 👍
Just because it's got a ford badge doesn't mean it's a ford. Too many people in comments think it's just a fiat engine. This one isn't. Everything is fiat on it except the badge. Anyway, it's not just this one that needs to see an error free engine run before it will let you clear codes, there are plenty of others the same. Some mercedes and land rovers need to be driven 5 miles plus before some codes will clear. And to make life even easier, some ECUs don't even flag a code when things like crank sensors or injectors or EGRs are unplugged/faulty.
hi how are you ? 307 peogeot suddenly stalled when i tried to start the engine it was cranking but no start i checked the fuel pump no power there then i tried to start engine again it didnt crank i unplugged the car battery then the car started then i checked by the scan tool ..crank sensor my question is was it really the crank or the fuse box of the engine ???? when i checked the fuses number 5 which is for the fuel pump by lamp test made the wipper to run ?????? do i chang the crank sensor or check the fuse box of the engine is it normal for this cars not to crank if crank sensor goes bad ? or what
Hi Sometimes the sensor fails when it is hot... which makes some sense based on your story, after cooling down the car started... the disconnection of the battery etc, just gave time for it to cool down... Could be fuse box, but I wouldn't go there yet, investigate the crank sensor first... 👍👍👍
@@LMAutoRepairs yes i agree but my question did the car go in a safe mood that i cant crank it because of the bad sensor --- i will try the crank sensor and update you
@@LMAutoRepairs thank you very much i replaced the crank sensor and i will let you know about the fuse box i already made a wiring diagram for it when the car is ok lets see what changes
Hi there, I love your work and videos. I have a question though but I would like to send you an email in order to be able to describe my problem correctly and completely. I would appreciate very much your support.
@@LMAutoRepairs so it was actually 2 teeth out i also sub pine hollow auto diagnostics ivan loves his scope and pressure transducer and that would have been one of the first tests with cam crank cor code also some fords have a KAM memory which can send you all over the forest looking for bugs bunny the little f???er i learned find good wave form once a C C code is found and compare i fancy a pressure transducer but cant justify at moment that will give me a big f????ng hammer to hit buggs
My guess would be a bad ECU because it doesn't make sense why the code never changes and how does it know the timing isn't correct when the engine wasn't even started
This is a lame way of thinking, because a lack of basics (principle of operation of the engine). The problem is obvious at 5:37 time mark (if you know the engines and Fiat FIRE family ones + VVT)...
Come on kid (man-child), keep deleting comments. Hurry up. 😄 Folks remember, only positive comments, otherwise this big child ego is upset and in rage, erasing posts. Very "professional" and "mature" response.
Hey clueless lames. This is Fiat FIRE engine, VVT added. It's a simple engine, but wanna-be "mechanics" struggle with it (for unknown reason - lack of BASICS?).
I'm a Fiat tech, even here in Italy we have lots of independent mechanics or even owners trying to replace the timing kit without using proper tools, then having the p0016 😂
Two tips I can give you are:
1- when you have the flasing MIL, you can do the crankshaft learning just doing the three revs method, without using the scan tool.
2- it's mandatory to reset the crankshaft self-learning values with the scan tool when you replace the timing belt, remove the phonic wheel or whenever you touch everything involving the timing. Failing to do this, will trigger multiple cylinders misfire when holding the engine at high rpm's (for example on highway). Happened to my personal car after replacing the timing belt and I was shocked when I discovered this...
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I definitely learned something! I'll put it into my library of possible faults to look for. I really appreciate when you let us follow you through the rabbit holes - great video 👍
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Thanks!
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What "library"? These things are BASICS (timing, compression, fuel, spark)...
@@GrandePunto8V Just in my head... 😎
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Again, well done. When you told the back story, I knew it had to be timing out! After a few minutes I jumped @55:00 where you explained the full story, then got the timing kit and re-timed cam and camshaft. I assume the original garage didn't use a timing kit! That's a simple engine, imagine that garage dealing with a wet belt engine or a non keyed magneic pulley! The original people, I won't call them mechanics, need to update themselves on procedures on newer vehicles and engines.
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Absolutely!
And I have so many videos coming showing exactly that!...
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You need to step up your game also. The problem is obvious at 5:37 time stamp (timing off).
Great video!! It is your candour and honesty that makes your videos so interesting and helpful 😊👍
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Thanks!
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Great to see you fixed it you don’t fancy doing mine it’s just started doing the same thing
Good to know that once again one of the waveforms I have put up on Rotkee library have come in useful 🖕 it's the second one you have used of mine on your channel, we all at some point been sent down rabbit holes and left scratching our head.
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Thanks!
They are useful indeed!
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Thanks mate I use them too! I've uploaded a few myself also.
Thanks for the video. There is lots of information , I had same problem with fiat 500, Customer asked to timing belt replacement and because I didn't have special timing tools I find same fault code and I couldn't erase the code because I missed two teeth.
Thanks again for the video
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Well done luis that was a fantastic video i really enjoyed that one, i didn't think you where going to get to fix the car congratulations 🎊 🎊
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Brilliant - Not your fault really - Im sure EVERY ONE has been given duff infomation at sometime - glad you found it in the end - Charge "person A " extra for the duff infomation !! !! Thank you
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bruv. 50.10 mins. absolutely I feel you. it happens for only clever people . bravo .respect
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We used to get that fault condition when changing crank sensors on Fiat Punto's with the FIRE engine. You could get around it by doing a phonic wheel relearn, or just boot it to max rpm 3 times like you did here. I wonder did they damage or disturb something doing the sump job?
Great video as always 👍
Could have, but honestly, shouldn't...
The sump on these is relatively simple, with no need to touch anything else...
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Very honest video Lewis take care m8
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Thank you!
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Some Fluke multimeters have a low Z setting. This allows you to measure voltages with a low ohm load (actually putting a load on the circuit rather than the typical multimeter).
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Thanks for the info!
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Honest guy this one. Excellent video. Loved following the whole process and checks. Well done mate.
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Hi there
This is the reason (24:10 forward) im still here 😁, all around fake videos ( tv net papers)
real live exactly
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Excellent work, sir!
Monkey A very very bad man!
Tbh thought maybe badly timed crank pulley but maybe it doesn't float on that model?
Good job Luis 👍, I’ve dealt with this issue on this engine many times and corrected a few as lot of garages are changing the timing belt using paint marks with no tools and the timing then needs to a be a tiny bit out then engine starts missfiring after driven a distance , seen garages chuck parts on them like coils , ecu and it’s all was down to the timing slightly out- crazy
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Indeed...
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Another internet "expert"? Those engines can be done without timing tools and those can be a bit off, without tripping fault codes or giving drivability problems. There IS room for error. One must be really lame to trip codes (like P0016).
@@GrandePunto8V- yep it seems like you are an amateur fiat internet expert , and it’s people like you who set timing without tools and caused issues like Luis and I had , I’m not saying you cannot use paint - even I do sometimes to aid - I just mean this engine in the 500 and ka are very sensitive , you have just been fortunate not to have issues - you should always use special tools - that’s what they are made for to do the job properly- but happy painting anyways
@@tonyc8363you are correct fellow mechanic changed a belt on the fiat variant without the locking tools marked everything up with tipex he gave up after eight attempts trying to get it running right boss bought the timing tools job done 👍
And stay tuned, because I some some more interesting videos coming timing related...
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Luis throughy enjoyed this case study 10/10, Fiat engine in a ford
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Great fix Luis no nonsense guy 💪
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Fix hint was at 5:37 mark. Rest is a rumbling like a girl. Too much talking (most of it WAS nonsense).
Where do you find those known good timing diagrams - whats your search term?
Usually the car model and engine followed by waveform...
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@@LMAutoRepairs Thanks!
Rotkee (company name) waveform library for example.
out of curiosity did you ask them about it? What did they say?
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The typical "we have done nothing..."
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Through the rabbit hole and out the other side
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Just because it's got a ford badge doesn't mean it's a ford. Too many people in comments think it's just a fiat engine. This one isn't. Everything is fiat on it except the badge. Anyway, it's not just this one that needs to see an error free engine run before it will let you clear codes, there are plenty of others the same. Some mercedes and land rovers need to be driven 5 miles plus before some codes will clear. And to make life even easier, some ECUs don't even flag a code when things like crank sensors or injectors or EGRs are unplugged/faulty.
The not flagging codes part I have seen it, the having to drive to clear codes, have yet not came across... thanks for the info!
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@@LMAutoRepairsUsually emissions related stuff 👍
Hi great stuff👌is your scanner a Autel maxisys MS908S?🍻
MS908P
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Ford plus Fiat engine 😮
Fiat 500 with a Ford body
Indeed...
They are all mixed up nowadays...
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The hole cars a fiat 500 in drag!
Wonder why they had the belt off to do the sump 🤔🤔
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Who knows...
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hi how are you ? 307 peogeot suddenly stalled when i tried to start the engine it was cranking but no start i checked the fuel pump no power there then i tried to start engine again it didnt crank i unplugged the car battery then the car started then i checked by the scan tool ..crank sensor my question is was it really the crank or the fuse box of the engine ???? when i checked the fuses number 5 which is for the fuel pump by lamp test made the wipper to run ?????? do i chang the crank sensor or check the fuse box of the engine is it normal for this cars not to crank if crank sensor goes bad ? or what
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Sometimes the sensor fails when it is hot... which makes some sense based on your story, after cooling down the car started... the disconnection of the battery etc, just gave time for it to cool down...
Could be fuse box, but I wouldn't go there yet, investigate the crank sensor first...
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@@LMAutoRepairs yes i agree but my question did the car go in a safe mood that i cant crank it because of the bad sensor --- i will try the crank sensor and update you
Should still crank... even with a bad sensor, would just fail to start...
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@@LMAutoRepairs thank you very much i replaced the crank sensor and i will let you know about the fuse box i already made a wiring diagram for it when the car is ok lets see what changes
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Wow there's no reserve light on and there's actually petrol in the tank amazing😂
That was definitely a plus!
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@@LMAutoRepairs Ya haha
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Hi there, I love your work and videos. I have a question though but I would like to send you an email in order to be able to describe my problem correctly and completely. I would appreciate very much your support.
Try me here...😉
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Good morning Luis
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@@LMAutoRepairs so it was actually 2 teeth out i also sub pine hollow auto diagnostics ivan loves his scope and pressure transducer and that would have been one of the first tests with cam crank cor code also some fords have a KAM memory which can send you all over the forest looking for bugs bunny the little f???er i learned find good wave form once a C C code is found and compare i fancy a pressure transducer but cant justify at moment that will give me a big f????ng hammer to hit buggs
@jackiemay9471
Lesson learned here... trust me!
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When I saw ford ka I thought you meant Ka+
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Chuck that scope in the bin ,
Are you going to give me a better one?
It does the job, and helped many, many times...
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@@LMAutoRepairs LOL, Christmas is just round the corner but you have to be a good boy , 😄😄😄👍,
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I have been a good boy...😁
That box is ticked..
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Why? It showed the misalignment
@@jog3676 Why ? he is doing You tube vehicle diagnostic videos , he needs a good automotive scope .
Is it a FucKA......... or Ford KA🤣🤣🤣👌
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My guess would be a bad ECU because it doesn't make sense why the code never changes and how does it know the timing isn't correct when the engine wasn't even started
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Would make sense... but...
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@@LMAutoRepairs Ya the root cause of the check engine light was interesting
This is a lame way of thinking, because a lack of basics (principle of operation of the engine). The problem is obvious at 5:37 time mark (if you know the engines and Fiat FIRE family ones + VVT)...
Long format goodness of learning
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Especially when you are not familiar with the engine. Otherwise the problem is solved at 5:37 mark.
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Come on kid (man-child), keep deleting comments. Hurry up. 😄
Folks remember, only positive comments, otherwise this big child ego is upset and in rage, erasing posts.
Very "professional" and "mature" response.
I never deleted comment. If it is to me, you are referring to...
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Need a hug?
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Only Ford would do things like that a crocked alignment tool or keyless crank gear
still wonder how they keep in business ,their product sucks
The keyless ones definitely suck....
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Hey clueless lames. This is Fiat FIRE engine, VVT added. It's a simple engine, but wanna-be "mechanics" struggle with it (for unknown reason - lack of BASICS?).
FIAT, not Ford. And the VVT must be like that. I will not educate or entertain the trolls of "why" is that.