What's really pushing me away from the game is the feeling that the devs could not care less about player feedback. I've watched some of my favorite content creators give feedback for so long and get ignored, and so they left the game. Tragic man. ESO could be so good but it's ran like the U.S. government. They tell us what we want instead of giving us what we say we want.
Those streamers claim to leave every year..Some leave, but they end up coming back. There's no other pvp alternative when it comes to diverse builds in an mmorpg.
My thoughts: People always quitting, the game is always dying or dead, same for new world , wow, gw2. The hype we build up for ourselves for this pvp update or other things are never gonna be met. I predict dissapointment from alot of players, I see the same happening all the time and also in other games. I feel you gloom and everyone else wanting that spark , that urge to play like u once had felt but IDK what it is but it seems gaming and gamers have changed alot.(and interesting convo topic too, content, negativity sells, society, game devs, new tech, and lots of reasons of why things seem worse than years ago in gaming) Ive let go of the idea that games are fully gonna provide me the fun and joy I want. So I create my own journey on my own or with friends. The scope of these mmorpgs out there are filled with endless possibilities and if I have to rely on game studios to make my fun, i will be in a constant loop of hope and dissapointment. Not that its wrong to hope, Im a postive person, I hope for the best always but Im not gonna let studios and devs dictate my mood. I will adept where needed and if not I move on. I still have loads of fun creating rppvp builds. But if ure here for super balanced competetive pvp, ure prolly playing the wrong game to begin with. What I do like is the skill ceiling and constant way of improving myself and my builds so thats all the joy I need for now. Always an interesting topic to discuss so nice video of sharing your thoughts Gloom. Hopefully we will be looking back at this conversation with laughter and have a pleasant future ahead of us! Positive vibes and never forget to have fun people!❤❤
A brilliant reply mate much respect yes this is very true deep down players just enjoy the game for what it is it’s easy to focus on the negatives all the time hopefully some more positive stuff will come but it’s difficult to see the with such ignorance of PvP
Same. If it's some stupid group finder for pvp or some already existing addon that they will make into a game feature, I'm out too. I'm so tired of their extremely lazy development team
There hasnt been any PvP content since BGs so its going to need to be amazing if its new content! I hope they are not hyping it up like they did the housing update. Having said that if the PvP update turns out to be a major overhaul to the lag where its completely removed so we can bring back massive battles in Cryodiil I would be ok with no new PvP content.
Well the reality is if it suck or not as good as expected, some ppl might leave, but that wont even tip the scale....most ppl that are pvping will keep doing so, since eso is quite unique none the less, the pvp fan base is an hardcore one.
I am still holding out hope that the PVP update will be good but I haven’t got any expectations unfortunately it’s just a shame that nothing on the PVP side has been addressed all we can do now is hope and pray
I left for 2 years, came back recently and I love the game again. The problem with mmo's is how much time we spend playing them, burnout is inevitable and breaks absolutely revitalize your enjoyment.
Yeah I never really have took much of a break form eso to be fair, at most a few months since console launch and still play other games inbetween , the farming and grinding burns me out
I totally agree with all of that, it's really tough because I want to make content that my audience wants/ESO build videos but I just don't enjoy the game very much right now. I'm starting to get into Elden Ring and I'm hoping to maybe make some content on that game
As old streamers leave the game, new streamers will always take their place like I’ve always wanted to live stream elder scrolls online and basically have a small community. Teach me how to play better. Because all I can do is successfully kill over World stuff, but I can’t do any world bosses or specific super powerful enemies and I can’t do trials solo or have many friends for groups
Yeah, plans will definitely come and go and the game is definitely still alive and kicking. Hopefully there’s some more positive positive updates coming.
Ben in the game for 10+ years on PC & PS5, it goes up and down over and over. PvP has Never been perfect, it hasn't got proper attention in years, but is still fun and works ok once in a while. But, PvE is & always has been the main focus. Thx for some Great content ! Cheers !
After the "amazing housing update" I have no faith for pvp. I'm not huge into cyro but I'll run with a group in GH a couple times a week because we have fun. They've been neglected too long and if a mass amount leave over it, zos either fixes shit or just let's the game lose even more people.
Whats the difference in joining PVP in an MMO vs playing it in a game like Fortnite, overwatch, counter strike, Etc Tera? And i don't mean the player view aspect.
PvP in eso is optional whereas the shooters it’s 100 percent PvP , I might hit up a bit of fornite as I enjoy it due to constant updates and keeping fresh
I don't know I always say oh no update but in the end I adopt and it's somehow good enough to play. My biggest down was with pleaugebrake nerf since I literally had a lot of builds Made for pvp and pvp. So yah it took a while to opt for my six toons after this. I just hope such a thing will never happen again. The so-called New servers in the EU were to put it mildly a big disappointment for the fun lasted less than a month and the same good old lag was back. It felt like they rolled the server back to old. Still I love making theory crafting for pvp builds outside of the Meta it's enough fun to create and Test my 16 builds even if it can be a real headache to change them like every 3 months on major updates.
The 15400% comment came from xynode. He gets paid by them, but you don't see him trying to run IA in hundings. People are splitting hairs on what ptw means. Just because you killed some crappy arcanist on a d swing necro doesn't disprove ptw. You gave an excellent example, 2 teams vs each other of same exact skill. Unfortunately zos has adopted this meta set strategy and microsoft will likely push that even more because aquiring bethesda put them 7.5 billion in the hole. A few battleground maps in 5 years demonstrates how much they care about the pvp crowd.
It’s a shame the game has never got the attention it deserved with to many changes and lack of direction particularly on the PvP side more should have been done
I spend 99.99% of my time in Cyro. I enjoy it. Alliance pop balance can be hit or miss sometimes. PvP update best be huge. Which it won't. I'll still play ofc, just no high hopes. Hoarcrux left and came back. They will alll come back eventually
What i can say from the pc eu server that after the last event realy many people left the cyro servers. normaly even after the evend grayhost would be popblocked on prime but this time every faction bearly rech 3 bars but are now mostly on 1/2 bars. Blackreach maby recovering since 3-4 days and reach the popblock but only for few hours. Without cp there is not to talk that is nearly dead. thats realy sad for me to see corse i only play cyro. think there are 2 problems now, once the lags and fps droppings are back but we oll know this corse we have it for many years and the most cyro players just exept it corse they know it. the second thing new cyro players dont like cyro not only corse of the lags/fps droppings but more that they dont even have a chance egeinst the older pvp players now. with goald road scribing its way to easy to make one shot builds and nearly every old player use them now. the overkill aspect fears the new players to much and after 1-2 days in cyro they just leave cyro.
I find myself playing and posting less and less ESO. I made a video about wanting to move on from creating ESO content because the game (Especially PVP wise) is horribly stale. Oh boy, nightblade buffs, oh boy, sorc buffs. Top classes keep getting buffed while things like Necromancer have been garbage for years now. True that Necro is getting buffs in U43, it just isn't in the right direction for PVP IMO. Especially as far as PC goes, everyone (besides magsorcs, gankers/bombers) is basically 35k hp +, vamp 3, and usually has some form of % mitigations (crazily accessible through CP, Scribing, and guild/class skills). TLDR, They dumbed down the game so much and nuked class diversity, homogenized the hell out of everything, and made it really boring. If the combat gameplay itself wasn't the unique outlier, pvp would be entirely dead.
To be honest I preferred the non hybridisation when we had true stam and mag variations of classes , I feel this blending was potentially a wrong move and made things to narrow and the older sets need buffing to bring in some more diversity
@@projectjtl hybridization was a big step in the wrong direction, as was the 1000 weapon/magic damage given to us as a baseline. It took so much diversity out of the game and encouraged playing tankier.
The tank meta and class imbalance are the main reason ive cancelled my eso subscription,sick of the ball groups and those who are scared to die with the pathetic 40+k 50+k builds running around,it's them that are literally killing the game and so many are leaving eso because of it,also alliance swapping should never have been a thing as it has created disloyalty,the game has lost its way.
Yes this is very true and it’s just a share amount of cross healing which definitely ruins it. If you’re in a large group the healing should be massively reduced to compensate for this and yes I also agree with the alliance swapping not a big fan of this.
There’s some nb builds out there showcasing killing those 40-50k tanks. I personally mostly run tanks, I enjoy tanking and it’s my fun. However, I cannot kill anyone. I basically get these guys to chase me to try and kill me and then set up for them to be killed by my dps group. I’m solely filling the role of a tank. I can still be killed when a group of 12 or more come at me. If you run into these grps of tanks and healers, defile defile defile. Sets like anguish also mitigate their healing. There’s tons of ways to kill tanks and healers. If you know what you’re doing, you’ll kill them. There’s always a counter to the meta. You can’t just expect to be a casual player jumping in to cyrodiil and kill these sweaty players, it takes a lot of time to learn how to beat them. These guys literally play all day everyday. Just like anything in life, you can’t just expect to be a master at something without putting the time into it. While it’s annoying with some of these guys builds, you can’t punish them for learning the game and excelling at it.
Something needs to happen. MM was a disaster for me, couldn't get into Cyrodiil, Battlegrounds level was horrendous and the overall performance of the game when just PVEing was an absolute joke. Sad really, it had potential but its like the devs never wanted it enough.
@p0tat0_xo that's crazy because I live in a very small town with bad internet and even I could get in during prime time hours and play just fine for hours on end with not a single bit of lag.
I just make new accounts I just started pc. But I’ve being on Xbox over the last 9years PvP will still be alright I’ll have to watch what’s to come to PvP but it was like the time we had where we could not use proc sets in open world PvP that really sucked
Yeah I’ve also been on Xbox eu 9 years recently made pc na account around 700 cp now but still play both never fully moved over , I do enjoy the pc scene though
The pvp became a big pile of dogs hit, had it's peak after the big balance update in the Morrowind chapter. The broken sets released from then till now, the procset meta, continously bad choices in balancing and offsetting animations from their time to actually hit the target made it just a mess. I was a pure pvp player back then and haven't done anything in pve besides the stuff to get the my gear. Now I avoid pvp at all cost. I really miss the old times
Cancelled eso plus and downsized my bank to manage that. Modern gaming is being run by greedcorp and shareholders etc who don't play games. If mounts make money, they will make more mounts. When they find out how to monetize pvp, they will make more investments in cyro. Its bad to the point where employees had to form a union for decent pay. Look at mrs lambert. Why is SHE saying waa waa waa? She doesn't even play. Think about that.
Changing things in the game, that are in the game since the beginning . Like the Jab animation or things like Vampire passive after 8 years. If people play that stuff for more then 8 years and you take it away they leave.
Yeah, I really can’t understand why they mess with the jabs animation and why? After such a long time unnecessary changes have a negative impact on the game.
No new pvp isn’t anything new. This happens in many games. ESO is still a workhorse in the mmo scene and they’ve maintained a healthy population for the best part of 7 years. This game is still VERY GOOD but if you focus on one area of the game it will 100% suffer at times and be healthier in others.
There's always GW2... Everyone raves about it similar to Final Fantasy. Unlike ESO, those two have maintained a very positive connection with their player base for the most part
gw2 is the same ball group shite. It went downhill after HoT release. Only pros are the open world map is smaller if you're a whiner about cyro size and it lags slightly less. Best bet is Ashes of creation. Thrones and Liberty will be another no life grind fest to be competitive and this comes from playing the alphas, betas and Korean client.
Yeah, I have been looking into that thrones and liberty as that does look quite similar to elder scrolls but yeah I’ll do worry about it being a grind fest and if I do play I will only be making one character. I don’t think I could ever go back to the rig and roll the eso put me through and Have tons and tons of characters.
@@projectjtl one thing that nagged me until someone pointed it out was that all the skills have cd as well. Couldn't hurt to try it since it's free but when it's a free game you know what comes with that lol
Yeah im super burnt out in ESO. Tired of playing my templar but cant bring myself to make a new toon either. Its basically a chore to play now and its off putting.
Yeah, I can never stick to just one toon no matter how hard I try. I just find it boring after a week or so then end up going to a different class. This is why I have every class set up.
It’s not bad at all starting over but with the intent of enjoying the gameplay. I started a new character last month and leveled up strictly from zone story quests, dungeons, and collecting sky shards. Lots of fun to just log in and play at your own pace, not playing it like a straight chore/grind trying to get elite as fast as possible. I’m on my 2nd character and the arcanist is a ton of fun to play. I’m strictly grinding this character (for now) to aid my main w/ gold, items to decon, and transmute crystals
@@Gearsguy300 yeah ive always wanted to play a warden thinking mag id like to build a frost mage but its kinda tough to make it work as there are basically no sets besides frostbite as well as warden doesnt have very many "frost mage" skills. Ill probably make one and see what i can do
Absolutely. Needs to be a substantial update, like expanding cyrodiil map, something big to stop IC being a ghost town, etc. There's so much they could do but duelling leaderboards ain't it. How many PvPers duel? A minority I'd imagine (but I have no data on that to be honest).
Cyro is a day one map a decade old PvP needs a new map. IC was ruined when flags came in. Needs something radical like no groups in PvP do away with Cyro make IC PvP area with no flags & have those battles with caltrops everywhere like on launch when people actually qued to get in & respawned in instantly from base. Amazing game in its day but long over ran it's course now
I have noticed pvp has been going down hill every since they added alliance change tokens pvp is so lop sided on console right now everyone can just join who’s winning . Next update they should give everyone 1 token then do away with them but they wont because its all about the $$$$
They are spoiling the game for everyone. I know of two people in my group who are taking a break from ESO. With all the updates and nerfs, they are forcing people away from the game. I do have a lot of other games on Steam to play that are a lot of fun and you don't feel you have to grind all the time.
I’m just holding out hope for a decent PvP update, i know it’s asking a lot :/ yeah will also be looking into other games especially into the new year if it’s another underwhelming update
Mate lag is alot worse now since the changes. Im on xbox n/a and pve was close to lag free now its terrible. Pvp in cyrodil was playable now unplayable. Probably these are reasons players giving up.
Just a lot of players have recently quit or taking a long-term break from the game due to the unfavourable changes and adjustments that are upcoming and the lack of new content particularly in the PVP scene
Vamps needed to be nerfed, you can't have an unkillable dks running around who are functionally immortal can heal from 1%hp to 100% in 0,0001s and, if they are at that1% you can't finish them because they just can't be, and can nuke anyone in 3 hits that's not healthy gameplay thats cancer. Scribing brought plethora of potentially fun skills, some really trolly so once people realise it they might come back and don't forget mayhem just ended and people quit all the time.
Yeah vampire definitely needed to be adjusted but I still think the real issue is the overall healing in the game itself. Maybe the final patch notes might prevail some better ideas.
2:32 if you like Star wars, you should try SWTOR. It has a pretty good pvp player base. The BGs are very fun and the maps change. Some even have traps and 1shot explosions
@@projectjtl wow has fun BGs, but the class and Ilvl treadmill... I just can't even think about it anymore. I haven't played WoW since they did all those world quests and your gear resetting every single patch. ESO players think they have it bad... Not even close
Brilliant, yeah it does sound like you know a lot about MMO‘s. I do believe that elders scrolls probably was my first actual MMO. I did actually buy a World of Warcraft when I was a kid but never actually played it. I wish I dipped my toe in that but sadly never did. Have also briefly played Neverwinter online as I am a massive dungeons and dragons fan but couldn’t really get into it.
The game is dying look at the guilds doing HM its all the same people half the time they cant full the group look at pve its all the same people they bring out new stuff we all run it then they nerf or its nothing special then everybody back to the same old gear and grind they said scribbing we could make our own skills and builds how good has that worked out they cut there own throat .
Yeah the direction is all wrong in my opinion only pc seems to have a consistent play base , or atleast larger hopefully we have a few better updates soon
I used to love the game it's changed so drastically I started to lose interest they always ruin builds I've made with some update gets frustrating when you make a build then they perform something gets old real quick probably time to move forward and just play diablo 4
Everyone's leaving like myself because of the Devs. PvP I get it MMO but many enjoy playing solo but solo players nerfed into the ground. For a game with so many bugs & so much lag £10 per month for craft bags =£120 a year not included the yearly DLC which always has meta sets so add another £30-£40 quid on. Games so unbalanced for PvP & the meta mech is use a pull set then ultimate dump rinse repeat, I'm afraid that one boring mech as does meta builds that are just super tanky & fights last a minute(s). So pull sets, tanky meta & crying about NB burst damage wasted this game along with lag & bugs for £160 a year no thanks, oh & let's not forget PvP still has the day one map only, like seriously come on 😂. Finally one tamriel also ruined this.
I do feel the game should be completely free to play now and download. I still can’t believe you had she have to pay for the bass game and yes, the game is a little bit on the Spendee side and I wasn’t happy with the one Tamil update
I'm so bored with the game. I quit months ago and have no intention of joining back. I'm a healer and it just has not changed for so long it's just boring to play
Yeah, the PVP side is definitely becoming style. It definitely needs an injection of some new mode or something. It really is on his last leg unfortunately.
I’m a new player and I’m already considering leaving the game. Seriously which open world console games don’t have a mini map, seriously this game is so outdated, just glad I only bought the cheapest version. Seriously trash for a game that has been running for around Ten years, not even a mini map, games a joke
TESO is a good game, but really boring No seriously, there are so much potential for new features that they can make -New combat system, something like in Black dessert online -New housing features, like more slots, and building system like in survival games -New weapons, like arbalest and so on -A much more spellcrafting -Sky expansion, like flying mounts, flying enemies, or flying map pieces -Water and underwater expansion like ships, ship battles, underwater treasures There's so much that this game really need, but for now it's just boring
I dont believe they have enough developers working on the game anymore for updates like you discussed, they are all working on that new MMO and have been for many years now
@@aussie-elders there is no need for the whole team for such features 2-5 people will be enough, there nothing absolutely "new", they just need to take same things from other games and make it in ESO style, that's it Even open world pvp like in lineage 2 or WoW or Rappelz in their gold days would be absolutely great
@@lazymadness4924 ZOS is a large developer which means a much more complex pipeline, 2-5 is like indie level developer where everyone is a jack of all trades, ie skilled at multiple roles
I would add to the list also - superheros powers - laser sword - las Vegas style casino - strippers Lmfao Oh and don't forget rainbow vomiting dragons, everyone loves that
What's really pushing me away from the game is the feeling that the devs could not care less about player feedback. I've watched some of my favorite content creators give feedback for so long and get ignored, and so they left the game. Tragic man. ESO could be so good but it's ran like the U.S. government. They tell us what we want instead of giving us what we say we want.
Yeah, this is definitely very true brilliant game but not greatly executed wasted potential
Those streamers claim to leave every year..Some leave, but they end up coming back. There's no other pvp alternative when it comes to diverse builds in an mmorpg.
Yes, this is definitely true. I still enjoy the PVP even with its downsides.
the cope is strong with this one lmfao
My thoughts:
People always quitting, the game is always dying or dead, same for new world , wow, gw2. The hype we build up for ourselves for this pvp update or other things are never gonna be met. I predict dissapointment from alot of players, I see the same happening all the time and also in other games.
I feel you gloom and everyone else wanting that spark , that urge to play like u once had felt but IDK what it is but it seems gaming and gamers have changed alot.(and interesting convo topic too, content, negativity sells, society, game devs, new tech, and lots of reasons of why things seem worse than years ago in gaming)
Ive let go of the idea that games are fully gonna provide me the fun and joy I want. So I create my own journey on my own or with friends. The scope of these mmorpgs out there are filled with endless possibilities and if I have to rely on game studios to make my fun, i will be in a constant loop of hope and dissapointment. Not that its wrong to hope, Im a postive person, I hope for the best always but Im not gonna let studios and devs dictate my mood. I will adept where needed and if not I move on.
I still have loads of fun creating rppvp builds. But if ure here for super balanced competetive pvp, ure prolly playing the wrong game to begin with. What I do like is the skill ceiling and constant way of improving myself and my builds so thats all the joy I need for now.
Always an interesting topic to discuss so nice video of sharing your thoughts Gloom. Hopefully we will be looking back at this conversation with laughter and have a pleasant future ahead of us!
Positive vibes and never forget to have fun people!❤❤
A brilliant reply mate much respect yes this is very true deep down players just enjoy the game for what it is it’s easy to focus on the negatives all the time hopefully some more positive stuff will come but it’s difficult to see the with such ignorance of PvP
The pvp update has to be good. If it fails then I am out too. ESO isn't the same anymore or better.
Same. If it's some stupid group finder for pvp or some already existing addon that they will make into a game feature, I'm out too. I'm so tired of their extremely lazy development team
There hasnt been any PvP content since BGs so its going to need to be amazing if its new content! I hope they are not hyping it up like they did the housing update. Having said that if the PvP update turns out to be a major overhaul to the lag where its completely removed so we can bring back massive battles in Cryodiil I would be ok with no new PvP content.
Well the reality is if it suck or not as good as expected, some ppl might leave, but that wont even tip the scale....most ppl that are pvping will keep doing so, since eso is quite unique none the less, the pvp fan base is an hardcore one.
I am still holding out hope that the PVP update will be good but I haven’t got any expectations unfortunately it’s just a shame that nothing on the PVP side has been addressed all we can do now is hope and pray
@@aussie-eldersAin't no one coming back to play ESO PvP on a day one map. People done that shit a decade ago & left. Suspect y'all be leaving soon
I just want cyro servers to work
Same :(
I left for 2 years, came back recently and I love the game again.
The problem with mmo's is how much time we spend playing them, burnout is inevitable and breaks absolutely revitalize your enjoyment.
Yeah I never really have took much of a break form eso to be fair, at most a few months since console launch and still play other games inbetween , the farming and grinding burns me out
I am still playing.
Same :)
I totally agree with all of that, it's really tough because I want to make content that my audience wants/ESO build videos but I just don't enjoy the game very much right now. I'm starting to get into Elden Ring and I'm hoping to maybe make some content on that game
Yeah I will continue but will be exploring other games Elden ring is an awesome choice
As old streamers leave the game, new streamers will always take their place like I’ve always wanted to live stream elder scrolls online and basically have a small community. Teach me how to play better.
Because all I can do is successfully kill over World stuff, but I can’t do any world bosses or specific super powerful enemies and I can’t do trials solo or have many friends for groups
Yeah, plans will definitely come and go and the game is definitely still alive and kicking. Hopefully there’s some more positive positive updates coming.
It's just so shit atm. Zos spent years balancing and it's horribly imbalanced.
I cancelled eso+ on principle.
Too much to juggle now
I don’t lag in PvP
Ben in the game for 10+ years on PC & PS5, it goes up and down over and over. PvP has Never been perfect, it hasn't got proper attention in years, but is still fun and works ok once in a while. But, PvE is & always has been the main focus. Thx for some Great content ! Cheers !
Yeah it’s still a good game just wish it had the love it deserves and your welcome mate
After the "amazing housing update" I have no faith for pvp. I'm not huge into cyro but I'll run with a group in GH a couple times a week because we have fun. They've been neglected too long and if a mass amount leave over it, zos either fixes shit or just let's the game lose even more people.
Yeah the housing update was lacklustre to say the least I don’t have any expectations for the PvP update but I still hold out hope
Whats the difference in joining PVP in an MMO vs playing it in a game like Fortnite, overwatch, counter strike, Etc Tera? And i don't mean the player view aspect.
PvP in eso is optional whereas the shooters it’s 100 percent PvP , I might hit up a bit of fornite as I enjoy it due to constant updates and keeping fresh
I don't know I always say oh no update but in the end I adopt and it's somehow good enough to play. My biggest down was with pleaugebrake nerf since I literally had a lot of builds Made for pvp and pvp. So yah it took a while to opt for my six toons after this. I just hope such a thing will never happen again. The so-called New servers in the EU were to put it mildly a big disappointment for the fun lasted less than a month and the same good old lag was back. It felt like they rolled the server back to old. Still I love making theory crafting for pvp builds outside of the Meta it's enough fun to create and Test my 16 builds even if it can be a real headache to change them like every 3 months on major updates.
Yeah I think originally never had a vamp character then all vamp then remove again ? It’s messy and setups become a nightmare to juggle
The 15400% comment came from xynode. He gets paid by them, but you don't see him trying to run IA in hundings. People are splitting hairs on what ptw means. Just because you killed some crappy arcanist on a d swing necro doesn't disprove ptw. You gave an excellent example, 2 teams vs each other of same exact skill. Unfortunately zos has adopted this meta set strategy and microsoft will likely push that even more because aquiring bethesda put them 7.5 billion in the hole. A few battleground maps in 5 years demonstrates how much they care about the pvp crowd.
It’s a shame the game has never got the attention it deserved with to many changes and lack of direction particularly on the PvP side more should have been done
I spend 99.99% of my time in Cyro. I enjoy it. Alliance pop balance can be hit or miss sometimes. PvP update best be huge. Which it won't. I'll still play ofc, just no high hopes. Hoarcrux left and came back. They will alll come back eventually
The combat it too good when it’s working
What i can say from the pc eu server that after the last event realy many people left the cyro servers. normaly even after the evend grayhost would be popblocked on prime but this time every faction bearly rech 3 bars but are now mostly on 1/2 bars. Blackreach maby recovering since 3-4 days and reach the popblock but only for few hours. Without cp there is not to talk that is nearly dead. thats realy sad for me to see corse i only play cyro. think there are 2 problems now, once the lags and fps droppings are back but we oll know this corse we have it for many years and the most cyro players just exept it corse they know it. the second thing new cyro players dont like cyro not only corse of the lags/fps droppings but more that they dont even have a chance egeinst the older pvp players now. with goald road scribing its way to easy to make one shot builds and nearly every old player use them now. the overkill aspect fears the new players to much and after 1-2 days in cyro they just leave cyro.
Hopefully some more changes will be coming at the end of the year fingers crossed though it’s tough to hold out any hope at point
The Q4 update is 4v4 & 8v8 in BGs on new maps that’s it 🤣🤣🤣 so yes it really is the end of
@@cpttekashi in a nutshell, LOL
I find myself playing and posting less and less ESO. I made a video about wanting to move on from creating ESO content because the game (Especially PVP wise) is horribly stale. Oh boy, nightblade buffs, oh boy, sorc buffs. Top classes keep getting buffed while things like Necromancer have been garbage for years now. True that Necro is getting buffs in U43, it just isn't in the right direction for PVP IMO.
Especially as far as PC goes, everyone (besides magsorcs, gankers/bombers) is basically 35k hp +, vamp 3, and usually has some form of % mitigations (crazily accessible through CP, Scribing, and guild/class skills).
TLDR, They dumbed down the game so much and nuked class diversity, homogenized the hell out of everything, and made it really boring. If the combat gameplay itself wasn't the unique outlier, pvp would be entirely dead.
To be honest I preferred the non hybridisation when we had true stam and mag variations of classes , I feel this blending was potentially a wrong move and made things to narrow and the older sets need buffing to bring in some more diversity
@@projectjtl hybridization was a big step in the wrong direction, as was the 1000 weapon/magic damage given to us as a baseline.
It took so much diversity out of the game and encouraged playing tankier.
I missed it somewhere. How are Nightblades getting buffed?
The overall reduction in tankiness resulting in much easier ganks
@@projectjtl gotcha
The tank meta and class imbalance are the main reason ive cancelled my eso subscription,sick of the ball groups and those who are scared to die with the pathetic 40+k 50+k builds running around,it's them that are literally killing the game and so many are leaving eso because of it,also alliance swapping should never have been a thing as it has created disloyalty,the game has lost its way.
Well said
Yes this is very true and it’s just a share amount of cross healing which definitely ruins it. If you’re in a large group the healing should be massively reduced to compensate for this and yes I also agree with the alliance swapping not a big fan of this.
There’s some nb builds out there showcasing killing those 40-50k tanks. I personally mostly run tanks, I enjoy tanking and it’s my fun. However, I cannot kill anyone. I basically get these guys to chase me to try and kill me and then set up for them to be killed by my dps group. I’m solely filling the role of a tank. I can still be killed when a group of 12 or more come at me. If you run into these grps of tanks and healers, defile defile defile. Sets like anguish also mitigate their healing. There’s tons of ways to kill tanks and healers. If you know what you’re doing, you’ll kill them. There’s always a counter to the meta. You can’t just expect to be a casual player jumping in to cyrodiil and kill these sweaty players, it takes a lot of time to learn how to beat them. These guys literally play all day everyday. Just like anything in life, you can’t just expect to be a master at something without putting the time into it. While it’s annoying with some of these guys builds, you can’t punish them for learning the game and excelling at it.
Something needs to happen. MM was a disaster for me, couldn't get into Cyrodiil, Battlegrounds level was horrendous and the overall performance of the game when just PVEing was an absolute joke. Sad really, it had potential but its like the devs never wanted it enough.
Yeah I tend to avoid open world altogether now unless if off peak times the lag is too much
@p0tat0_xo that's crazy because I live in a very small town with bad internet and even I could get in during prime time hours and play just fine for hours on end with not a single bit of lag.
@projectjtl I don't lag at all and I have terrible internet? Strange.
This always happens, event die off until the Halloween event
Yeah I’m looking forward to that
I just make new accounts I just started pc. But I’ve being on Xbox over the last 9years PvP will still be alright I’ll have to watch what’s to come to PvP but it was like the time we had where we could not use proc sets in open world PvP that really sucked
Yeah I’ve also been on Xbox eu 9 years recently made pc na account around 700 cp now but still play both never fully moved over , I do enjoy the pc scene though
The pvp became a big pile of dogs hit, had it's peak after the big balance update in the Morrowind chapter. The broken sets released from then till now, the procset meta, continously bad choices in balancing and offsetting animations from their time to actually hit the target made it just a mess.
I was a pure pvp player back then and haven't done anything in pve besides the stuff to get the my gear.
Now I avoid pvp at all cost. I really miss the old times
Yeah it has become a bit of a mess and the balancing has not worked at all
Cancelled eso plus and downsized my bank to manage that. Modern gaming is being run by greedcorp and shareholders etc who don't play games. If mounts make money, they will make more mounts. When they find out how to monetize pvp, they will make more investments in cyro. Its bad to the point where employees had to form a union for decent pay. Look at mrs lambert. Why is SHE saying waa waa waa? She doesn't even play. Think about that.
Changing things in the game, that are in the game since the beginning .
Like the Jab animation or things like Vampire passive after 8 years. If people play that stuff for more then 8 years and you take it away they leave.
Yeah, I really can’t understand why they mess with the jabs animation and why? After such a long time unnecessary changes have a negative impact on the game.
In any game, pvp dies first
No new pvp isn’t anything new. This happens in many games. ESO is still a workhorse in the mmo scene and they’ve maintained a healthy population for the best part of 7 years. This game is still VERY GOOD but if you focus on one area of the game it will 100% suffer at times and be healthier in others.
Yeah some balance with the updates is needed can’t be 100 perecent pve dlc only
@@projectjtl even a 90-10% pve-pvp ratio would be nice tho even just some new maps lol
There's always GW2... Everyone raves about it similar to Final Fantasy. Unlike ESO, those two have maintained a very positive connection with their player base for the most part
Yeah them two MMOs I have heard mostly good things about me things about and eso will have stiff competition in the coming years
gw2 is the same ball group shite. It went downhill after HoT release. Only pros are the open world map is smaller if you're a whiner about cyro size and it lags slightly less. Best bet is Ashes of creation. Thrones and Liberty will be another no life grind fest to be competitive and this comes from playing the alphas, betas and Korean client.
Yeah, I have been looking into that thrones and liberty as that does look quite similar to elder scrolls but yeah I’ll do worry about it being a grind fest and if I do play I will only be making one character. I don’t think I could ever go back to the rig and roll the eso put me through and Have tons and tons of characters.
@@projectjtl one thing that nagged me until someone pointed it out was that all the skills have cd as well. Couldn't hurt to try it since it's free but when it's a free game you know what comes with that lol
@@projectjtl Ashes of Creation is looking insane. It might actually be the next big MMO
I have 0 lag on Xbox.
Yeah im super burnt out in ESO. Tired of playing my templar but cant bring myself to make a new toon either. Its basically a chore to play now and its off putting.
Yeah, I can never stick to just one toon no matter how hard I try. I just find it boring after a week or so then end up going to a different class. This is why I have every class set up.
It’s not bad at all starting over but with the intent of enjoying the gameplay. I started a new character last month and leveled up strictly from zone story quests, dungeons, and collecting sky shards. Lots of fun to just log in and play at your own pace, not playing it like a straight chore/grind trying to get elite as fast as possible. I’m on my 2nd character and the arcanist is a ton of fun to play. I’m strictly grinding this character (for now) to aid my main w/ gold, items to decon, and transmute crystals
@@Gearsguy300 yeah ive always wanted to play a warden thinking mag id like to build a frost mage but its kinda tough to make it work as there are basically no sets besides frostbite as well as warden doesnt have very many "frost mage" skills. Ill probably make one and see what i can do
People still crying about vampire it needed it 30% was ridiculous
Definitely too much
If the "PVP Update" is jousting or ranked dueling, I'm out too.
Absolutely. Needs to be a substantial update, like expanding cyrodiil map, something big to stop IC being a ghost town, etc.
There's so much they could do but duelling leaderboards ain't it. How many PvPers duel? A minority I'd imagine (but I have no data on that to be honest).
Cyro is a day one map a decade old PvP needs a new map. IC was ruined when flags came in. Needs something radical like no groups in PvP do away with Cyro make IC PvP area with no flags & have those battles with caltrops everywhere like on launch when people actually qued to get in & respawned in instantly from base. Amazing game in its day but long over ran it's course now
I have noticed pvp has been going down hill every since they added alliance change tokens pvp is so lop sided on console right now everyone can just join who’s winning . Next update they should give everyone 1 token then do away with them but they wont because its all about the $$$$
Yeah I was never a big fan of them tokens
They are spoiling the game for everyone. I know of two people in my group who are taking a break from ESO. With all the updates and nerfs, they are forcing people away from the game. I do have a lot of other games on Steam to play that are a lot of fun and you don't feel you have to grind all the time.
I’m just holding out hope for a decent PvP update, i know it’s asking a lot :/ yeah will also be looking into other games especially into the new year if it’s another underwhelming update
Most of the vet pvpers have already left on xbox NA
Yeah there has been a lot leaving
Mate lag is alot worse now since the changes. Im on xbox n/a and pve was close to lag free now its terrible. Pvp in cyrodil was playable now unplayable. Probably these are reasons players giving up.
Yes, I must admit . I do have a really hard time bar swapping with skills not firing, et cetera.
Agreed. They didn't seem to allocate more server capacity this last pvp event. The lag was so so bad.
what happened guyz before i buy new dlc??
Just a lot of players have recently quit or taking a long-term break from the game due to the unfavourable changes and adjustments that are upcoming and the lack of new content particularly in the PVP scene
@@projectjtl ohhhh ty
Vamps needed to be nerfed, you can't have an unkillable dks running around who are functionally immortal can heal from 1%hp to 100% in 0,0001s and, if they are at that1% you can't finish them because they just can't be, and can nuke anyone in 3 hits that's not healthy gameplay thats cancer.
Scribing brought plethora of potentially fun skills, some really trolly so once people realise it they might come back and don't forget mayhem just ended and people quit all the time.
Yeah vampire definitely needed to be adjusted but I still think the real issue is the overall healing in the game itself. Maybe the final patch notes might prevail some better ideas.
@bf1513 agreed but they also need some better skills or like werewolf keep form while eating something
2:32 if you like Star wars, you should try SWTOR. It has a pretty good pvp player base. The BGs are very fun and the maps change. Some even have traps and 1shot explosions
ESO needs to take note from these mmos
@@projectjtl wow has fun BGs, but the class and Ilvl treadmill... I just can't even think about it anymore. I haven't played WoW since they did all those world quests and your gear resetting every single patch.
ESO players think they have it bad... Not even close
@@projectjtl if you ever want to sit down and chat for a video, I am game. I have a ton of different MMO experience
Brilliant, yeah it does sound like you know a lot about MMO‘s. I do believe that elders scrolls probably was my first actual MMO. I did actually buy a World of Warcraft when I was a kid but never actually played it. I wish I dipped my toe in that but sadly never did. Have also briefly played Neverwinter online as I am a massive dungeons and dragons fan but couldn’t really get into it.
@@projectjtl MMOs are not made in a vacuum, like any project. It should absorb what has worked in other fields and adapt it to its own flavor
Everyone here saying they quit the game still invested in commenting on ESO content...
I think the players still want to hold out some hope and I’m one of them
The game is dying look at the guilds doing HM its all the same people half the time they cant full the group look at pve its all the same people they bring out new stuff we all run it then they nerf or its nothing special then everybody back to the same old gear and grind they said scribbing we could make our own skills and builds how good has that worked out they cut there own throat .
Yeah the direction is all wrong in my opinion only pc seems to have a consistent play base , or atleast larger hopefully we have a few better updates soon
Eso won't die, it's for carebears and we have enough of them in this world... but ESO is trash imo
As long as the chapters sell I guess the pve will definitely continue
Which warden build is this?
My heavy attack warden I think I posted it a few months ago
@@projectjtl I will look for it. Thank you
Let me know if you have any trouble, and I will find the link for you
Happier w/o ESO
Lol
The biggest question on my mind, how much money did I waste on this online game?
Definitely, I’ve wasted a fair amount luckily I’m not into the cosmetic side of things too much all the housing as I could’ve probably spent triple
I used to love the game it's changed so drastically I started to lose interest they always ruin builds I've made with some update gets frustrating when you make a build then they perform something gets old real quick probably time to move forward and just play diablo 4
They have made to many adjustments and reverts which have negatively impacted the game
Everyone's leaving like myself because of the Devs. PvP I get it MMO but many enjoy playing solo but solo players nerfed into the ground. For a game with so many bugs & so much lag £10 per month for craft bags =£120 a year not included the yearly DLC which always has meta sets so add another £30-£40 quid on. Games so unbalanced for PvP & the meta mech is use a pull set then ultimate dump rinse repeat, I'm afraid that one boring mech as does meta builds that are just super tanky & fights last a minute(s). So pull sets, tanky meta & crying about NB burst damage wasted this game along with lag & bugs for £160 a year no thanks, oh & let's not forget PvP still has the day one map only, like seriously come on 😂. Finally one tamriel also ruined this.
I do feel the game should be completely free to play now and download. I still can’t believe you had she have to pay for the bass game and yes, the game is a little bit on the Spendee side and I wasn’t happy with the one Tamil update
I'm so bored with the game. I quit months ago and have no intention of joining back. I'm a healer and it just has not changed for so long it's just boring to play
Yeah, the PVP side is definitely becoming style. It definitely needs an injection of some new mode or something. It really is on his last leg unfortunately.
I’m a new player and I’m already considering leaving the game.
Seriously which open world console games don’t have a mini map, seriously this game is so outdated, just glad I only bought the cheapest version.
Seriously trash for a game that has been running for around Ten years, not even a mini map, games a joke
Yeah on pc there are a lot of quality of life features severely lacking in the console editions it’s a shame things were never implemented
TESO is a good game, but really boring
No seriously, there are so much potential for new features that they can make
-New combat system, something like in Black dessert online
-New housing features, like more slots, and building system like in survival games
-New weapons, like arbalest and so on
-A much more spellcrafting
-Sky expansion, like flying mounts, flying enemies, or flying map pieces
-Water and underwater expansion like ships, ship battles, underwater treasures
There's so much that this game really need, but for now it's just boring
I dont believe they have enough developers working on the game anymore for updates like you discussed, they are all working on that new MMO and have been for many years now
@@aussie-elders there is no need for the whole team for such features
2-5 people will be enough, there nothing absolutely "new", they just need to take same things from other games and make it in ESO style, that's it
Even open world pvp like in lineage 2 or WoW or Rappelz in their gold days would be absolutely great
@@lazymadness4924 ZOS is a large developer which means a much more complex pipeline, 2-5 is like indie level developer where everyone is a jack of all trades, ie skilled at multiple roles
@@aussie-elders whatever, my point is that they would make this game really cool if they want
I would add to the list also
- superheros powers
- laser sword
- las Vegas style casino
- strippers
Lmfao
Oh and don't forget rainbow vomiting dragons, everyone loves that