My friend in Florida generally takes a monthly bike ride from Spring Hill to Tampa with a few other guys, a distance of just under 100 miles. To prevent flats on such a long ride, they have all installed Vittoria Airliner inserts. Not one person in his small bike club (twelve people) have had any flats in over a year.
It's only not a thing yet because air is lighter then foam and foam isn't as good YET as air is for cushioning. It's a trade. And will likely always be a trade off
Excellent video! I found the puncture resistant Kenda's pretty effective, and I have ridden right over thorns and broken glass several times with no flat. Ironically, I didn't start getting flats until I installed Tannus Armour. In the last ten years I've had one regular flat, and six flats caused by Tannus Armour. Seems on fat tire bikes that are ridden at high speed for long distances, the internal friction ruins the tube. I took the liners out and stopped having flats, with the exception of a strand from a steel wire brush that was long enough to go through the liner. I changed to Shinko 244 moped tires which do cut down on my top speed a bit, but I don't bother carrying an air pump anymore.
Glad you liked it! Haven't had any issues with the Tannus on my Runner yet, but then again I generally only get up 28/29 mph max. I was considering Shinkos but that added weight has me wondering.
You can also use an old seatbelt from a junk car, or a load strap from a semi truck (far better as its usually a bit wider and thicker than a seatbelt) thats been tossed due to the edges fraying, you just cut to size. They're surprisingly tough in keeping things from puncturing the tube.
What I would love to see is a video of putting the available tire liners on the market to a test what can puncture them and how much effort it takes to push a sharp object through. As example take one of the liners and start pushing things though it, and the second liner put into a tire and start running things over to see what will puncture them. And take some of the suggestions of alternative tire liners that people has suggested in the comments to see how they compare to the ones available on the market.
I'm currently waiting delivery of some webbing from China, for this exact purpose. It's available up to 100mm (3.9 inches) wide, and is reasonably cheap.
I dont often comment on videos but honestly I greatly appreciate you explaining so many options. I recently got an ebike and know nothing about bikes. Im definitely going to refer back to this video and take notes. Thanks!
I am stunned by the amount of nails and screws in bike lanes and on the side of the roads when I’m out riding. I’ve been looking down & out while riding and that has allowed me to miss many punctures.
That's why I avoid those painted gutter bike lanes. I like the continuous left-turn lanes on many roads. Wider, better visibility as far as seeing and being seen, avoid conflicts with cars turning onto the road that tend to obstruct that gutter lane, more room to maneuver etc. I also use a mirror. I am 75 years old and the e-bike is a game changer for me, and for biking in general.
Pool noodles instead of inner tube. That's what I'm looking to do with 2 mountain bikes of mine. Currently, they're wheel hole inserts Slice Innertube nozzles.
I have OKO heavy duty sealant in my tubes - (the big bottle stuff for tractors etc) - no flats since last summer. Barriers might prevent some punctures - but maybe 50% are caused by some failure in the wall of the tube from the inside. Sealant can handle both causes.
It's not if it's when. In a lot of reputable bike shops don't want to touch anything electric unless they sell them so figure it out is my best guess when it goes flat
Replace your butyl inner tube with a thermoplastic tubes which are half the weight of a butyl tube and then put a liner or foam barrier which will weigh about the same as yout original set up.
After seeing a tip online I'm going to use some seatbelt strapping to fit into the fat tyres to protect the inner tubes. Thanks for the interesting video
Is there any issue with the belt straps moving in the tire and causing any effects due to any out-of-balance? Please share what you may have experienced by now. What method to fix the belt please?
@@houseandhobby6971 The strap I had ended up being too thin for my fat tyres so I bit the bullet and went with tannus front and back. Nice soft ride and worth the outlay imo. Safety at high speed would have been on my mind with the seatbelt strapping to be fair. I'm to old to fall off at 40 mph down a hill lol
@@moonshotsilver I appreciate you sharing your answer on this. I have some large yellow trailer straps from HF tools and will probably cut that to length. But also, I found that there are good tire alternatives that are used on motorcycles and scooters. Shinko models 241, 244, and 567. Sizing for those bikes differ. A 3.00x16" tire tube fits our bike 4x20 wheels/tires. Got the 244 based on look and price and reviews and will construction glue the strap in the tire (I think). And Flatout in the tubes. New tubes--going to trade out the whole crap package that came with the bike tire wise.
I don't know how long, but right this moment the Tannus airless tires are $35. Not good if you have a fat bike, but if you have a more normal size these are great. Have them on my e-bike recumbent and trailer.
I've seen a few people go this route, is this something you do on the regular? I would imagine it would add some weight but I guess around the same weight that a tire liner and 8oz of Slime/Flatout would add.
thanks you for info. I am more concerned with rear wheel flat than front wheel. Because it requires to remove chain and brake systems. I will go with Flat Out sealant.
I've had that same concern, it can be a pain to remove the rear wheel. A tube sealant (slime) saved me from having to remove it on quite a few occasions.
@@ElectricRidesUT I used FLAT OUT on my E-Bike, a one inch screw stabbed my back tire, I removed it and flat out did the job, my portable compressor filled my tire back up to 25 PSI and it's holding strong a month later.
Don't take wheel off, just have a patch repair kit on board, remove one side of tyre and slip out tube , find puncture and fix it and slide it all back , easy.
Airless/tubeless tires are the future. The triangle or honeycomb cut outs are the most stable and offer thr best shock absorption. Made with a rubber/metal weave.
My favorite method is one you didn't mention at all. I guess because of the extra weight. But I like more permanent solutions, like completely solid tubes or solid tires. Yes, they do weight more, and the ride is not as smooth, but they completely prevent flats. I put some in a trike I used to have, and then I had to sell the trike. My current bike is a very cheap Walmart bike, and I can't even get my rear tire off because there is one bolt that I can't get loose, so if I get a flat in that tire, I will be up the creek without a paddle.
You make a great suggestion! I considered adding solid tires or solid foam inserts for tires but I really couldn't find a lot that were designed for the fat tire ebike size. For the most part, everything was for around the mountain/commuter/road bike slimmer size tires. There are ebikes that use this tire size, of course, but they're not as wide-spread as the 3-4 inch ebikes tires so I decided not to add them. Do you have a brand that you're partial to?
@@ElectricRidesUT I have only tried one brand. I forgot the name, but they are yellow solid tubes. Lately, I have had a problem finding them in the right size for someone of my height range...which would be a 24 inch tire. I have also recently seen a few solid tires on Amazon, but I can't remember the brand. I think I have seen some solid fat tires, though. I just put the words solid bike tires on the Amazon search bar. AND, I even put in solid fat tires, and solid fat tubes. I don't think I found any fat tubes, but I think I did find a couple of fat solid tires. Solid tubes and tires are kind of rare, but they can be found. Amazon usually includes things not in your search description, which I find annoying. Sometimes, it is just other things, with none of what you are looking for. Some people don't like the solid tires and tubes because the ride is rougher, and that could be why they are harder to find. But, I saw a video a few weeks ago, in which someone was working on coming out with a solid tire or tube that has more air bubbles incorporated in the rubber, which makes the tire or tube feel more like it has air in it...with a softer ride. This sounds to me like it would be even more perfect. This would be the best of both worlds. Getting a flat, really socks, and I would personally rather deal with the rougher ride, than to have to deal with getting stranded because of a flat.
never going to get a fat tire tube replacement. It would be just to heavy. this guy putting gorilla tape and using cool seal instead of slime with the new valve or he could have used an automobile rim shrader pop in valve aswell, is brilliant. but theycan of course leak eventually.@@ElectricRidesUT
Excellent informative video. I am currently running slime and Mr Tuffy liners in my 20 inch fat tire electric bike. Hopefully won’t see a flat anytime soon!
That took sometime replacing the tire and inner tube on the back wheel,Also very fiddley as well,Got that done at last,Also having to get the back wheel fitted back in place,Back wheel nicely pumped up,Job done,Now order replacement battery as well,Thats going cost me quite a bit,Just as well im busy on Jobs this week,Need the extra wages in return
Keep in mind that for fat tire ebikes, using slime or flatout is fine, but if you have something such as a gravel bike or road bike and you tend to go at higher speeds on those 30mph+, slime and flatout can introduce wheel wobble.
@9:02 ... yes, VERY important. I found out during my ride that my glue tube dried out. Was lucky enough to find a gas station 1 km away that had one repair kit left :))
I tried Flat Out on my 4" fat tires. I came back to my bike after a work shift to find my tire flat, and sealant EVERYWHERE. A huge mess. Apparently this only works if the puncture is pointing DOWN. I was unaware the tire was punctured and the puncture was resting towards the top of the tire the entire time, spewing sealant into the tire and out of the rim. I think this kind of sealant is really only doable if you go tubeless.
Great video. I have too frequent flats so I am looking for a better solution. I have tried the foam pipe insulation and it did become a thin layer after two weeks. Slime tire allows me to continue riding home but doesn't reduce the number of patches I have to do. Would FlatOut be similar to slime?
Glad that you enjoyed it! Sounds like the problems I was having (still sometimes have) with flats. The pipe insulation/pool noodle liners also quickly compressed down to be as useless as a layer of Saran wrap when I tried it, not sure how other people prevent that from happening, much lower PSI?🤷♂️ I normally go with Slime just from habbit but from what I hear FlatOut is slightly more effective. I'll probably go with that the next time I need to swap out tubes.
bought a "stop a flat" solid tube and needed a high wall tire which a kenda 26 x 2.125 works well. very hard to install but just enough give to prevent the steel in the bead from coming out. slime works well but the stop a flat prevents any problem for the life of the tire.,
I love to see that the solid tires/tubes are becoming more prevalent. Just curious, what was the main difficulty that you were running into while installing?
I use them for ebikes. the tire wall height is the issue. some have too much wall height and many have a insufficient wall height. finding the right tire is the issue. I used a kenda 26 2.125 ball;oon tire which gave just a tight enough fit yet did not force me to break the bead with the tire irons I was using. I am referring to the old school bell solid tubes and the stop a flat yellow tubes on amazon. a pedal bike can use them if they only use a skinny tire as the balloon cruiser tires use inserts that are way too heavy and uncomfortable to use with out motor assist. In mountain bikes I see now a pencil diameter tube used in a foam type covering that is used as a fail safe tube for trial bike races, but those are expensive still. costing $70 USD or more. It allows racers who must finish the race to complete despite a flat. @@ElectricRidesUT
With the weight of the solid tubes, the inertia means slower take offs and less battery time. So I would not recommend the balloon solid tire for any pedal bike. but for a gas bike or ebike 350 watt or higher they prevent flats and do not seem to hinder performance too much.
I've always used Slime and this time around I have their heavy-duty tubes with the Slime already in them on my recumbent trike, and Flatout in my and my wife's RAD Expand 5s. I typically go years without flats. UPDATE: I got a flat on one tube after 9 months so I switched to Marathon Plus tires with just Green Slime. It's now been almost 5 months and so far so good.
Nice! Do you notice any difference between the Slime and Flatout? Some say Flatout is supposed to be slightly better. I've used Slime ever since I was a kid so it's usually my go-to.
@@slugzkea You need to get the sealant that has "Kevlar" fibres and use half the bottle for each tire Flat Out Canadian Tire better prices than Amazon for this stuff
What size did you get? I've been wondering if more brick and mortar stores are starting to carry fat tire/ebike size tubes now but I haven't seen much in my area.
@@ElectricRidesUT they have 26", 24", 20" and 16". The tires last me a little over a year if I rotate the tires when the rear one is starting to wear down.
Got both tires with lining, and slime. I now have been riding for a week from Sherman Oaks to West LA. Omg. It’s fun, but so cold some mornings and late nights.
It was on Amazon but looks like that exact version is no longer available. I've seen similar ones that look to be near-identical in design and function though. Such as: amzn.to/3z9F1mp
I wonder if I could 3D print in sections that fit together out of TPU Nylon or ABS that go in the tire first to create a barrier about an inch thick. 3D prints can be printed hollow so that weight very little. I think the hard part would be preventing the 3D parts from pinching the tube. Maybe using the double tube method or Mr. Tughfy with the 3D printed parts? I have only had 2 flats in about 1200 miles, one was very slow and I could have lived with it just adding air every couple of days, the other was a large screw that went through broke in half and put multiple holes in the tube as I slowed from 30 to 0. I have double tubed after each one.
Found out if you have a powerful DD gearless FRONT WHEEL MOToR of a 1500 watt and higher, NEVER excell the throttle when turning going over 20mph because most front wheel hubs are double wall rims which when turning of throttle on the pressure of rotation is heavy on the tubes as it will pinch inner tube against inner side sleeve of rim. I know due to myself getting happy of the speed while turning of 3 times. I noticed it was me turning and increasing speed only to almost wipe out. Same place and same turn as all 3 times I pushed throttle. Now , this is for the 2 inch width tires, likely the 3 to 4 inch fat tires don't have this issue but yeah, I know now not to do this anymore.
It was all 3 times of months apart, I went full throttle going home as there were 2 turns 200 feet apart, I was feeling like them motorcycle racers leaning low around corner but I accelerate the throttle to keep speed up on straight away. Before my 2 nd turn I noticed a bit of a wobble of handle bars and knew my tire flat out , as soon as I made 2nd turn I almost wiped out as I saw tire flush out air. Happening a few times at same spot with same type of riding made it easy to figure out the issue.
@@ElectricRidesUT But e bike speed over 20mph puts a lot of pressure of the tires of all the obstacles and type of terrain bike encounters of that speed. The fat tires counter this but leaves bike hell of heavy. It is a MUST of any e bike rider with 2 inch tires ride the e bike like they would a car when encountering the minor bumps, dips, pot holes, driveway entry curbs, ect. I notice I've been riding fast like a kid speeding thru everything as I've learned the hidden reasons of e bike issues of flats and air out( constant re pumping air to abused tire) besides the traditional issues, this issue of riding of always easing up to 4 to 2 mph of encountering such terrain. Them pot holes going fast is a killer to the rim more then the tire.
Best thing to get is slime inner tubes and fresh new tires after they well worn down,I still been getting some more punchers on my back wheel now,I get them tires replaced soon as well,Costed me a fortune,Its well worth it,Or end up keep on glue more patches on the inner tubes,Never going for normal inner tubes no more,Thats what you got to do to avoid punchers
What about Tannus solid foam tires? I really do not like to change my tubes every once in a while even though if it is once a year. I literally hate it flat tires
I imagine it may help a little, but I think I received just as many flats on my 3.3inch Runner tires than I get on the 4inch tires on the other bikes. Let me know!
Just got new fat tire e bike in three hundred miles got three flats. All from tiny steel wire . From cars poorly maintained steel belted tires. Just ordered new tires and liners
Has anyone tried shower pan liners they sell at Home depot? Just cut it and install them like regular tire liners..i heard a foot long is enough and it works well think I'll give it a try..
I have had ten flats in one year. Slime leaked out. Fix a flat leaked. Tannis liner was too small for my 26 inch tire. I had to cut it to fit to size, in which it had a 4-in gap to fit tightly. (It was just too small)
i have a fat tire e bike ad was contemplating lining my tires with adhesive kevlar tape (the commercial kind, not intended for tires), im wondering if the adhesive combined with the airpressure would be sufficient to keep the tape in place, or whether i should use patch kit glue or something
I've heard of liners with kevlar woven in so I imagine it may work well. The only thing that may cause issues is if the tape's adheasive was acidic and caused the tire's rubber to break down over time.
Slime and Mr Tuffy are not bulletproof. I have both on a regular MTB and I still got flats. They will take care of goat heads but things like nails and staples it's iffy. I got a staple on the rear wheel that went through the tire liner but the slime patched it up. Recently I got two tacks on my front wheel while riding in the rain and both the liner and slime failed. I had to patch it up.
I've noticed this as well, glad it's not just me. I used to have no issues with Slime - now it works most of the time with thorn puctures.. but not always.
I also be well worth buying some of that slime to put inside inner tubes,Less chance of getting any more punchers,Ive never known to get sooooooooooooo many punchers before,Getting bad to worse for it,Soon I bike home,Tires are still pumped up,Always first thing next day,One of the tires flat again,Ive only had my E bike for about nearly 16 months now,Brought brand new on E bay,It do get used quite a lot,Ive had a lot out use out of it,Need to get a chain breaker,Get the chain replaced and ball bearnings in the crank,I got some spares in my cupboard,About time really to give my E bike a full service repair
2:00 Bike lanes in the gutter -I mostly avoid riding in those lanes for the reason shown. E-bikes enable higher sustained speed and a wreck at 20 is four times worse that a wreck at 10. These "painted gutter lanes" are my town's attempt at making the city more bike-able, but are in fact intended make sure motor vehicles have the right of way and can move untroubled by pesky bikes. I use a mirror, ride the continuous left turn lane on many streets, and move over for overtaking traffic if no left-turn lane. If they get pissed that I don't go into the gutter for them I don't care. Our Governor has made treating red-lights and stop signs as yield signs for bikes. I used to drive commercial, so I am practiced and comfortable dealing with auto traffic. My riding style might not be for everyone.
I would rather just have solid tires but they seem so rare and never seen a bike that comes with solid tires out of the box. Only on electric scooters.
Slime didn't work for me. It clogged the valve. Couldn't get 100 psi through the valve. General tire made a self sealing tire long time ago. It was a five layer soft rubber sealant on the inside of the tire. All tires should have it.
1hack that my dad taught me was to use capri sun pouches in between innertube and the tire. It is a very tuff protection for you innertube!!
That's an interesting one I've never heard of but makes sense! Thank you!
Brilliant - your old man MacGyvered the tires. Wish I was wearing a hat so I could tip it to him. Thanks for sharing.
The material sure sounds tuff but how do you keep them in place? Tape?
How bought some them hot dog pouches. Man tear resistant. Lol 😮
My friend in Florida generally takes a monthly bike ride from Spring Hill to Tampa with a few other guys, a distance of just under 100 miles. To prevent flats on such a long ride, they have all installed Vittoria Airliner inserts. Not one person in his small bike club (twelve people) have had any flats in over a year.
That's awesome! Seems that airless may be the future of bike tires since there are more and more of these tire inserts on the market everyday.
It's only not a thing yet because air is lighter then foam and foam isn't as good YET as air is for cushioning. It's a trade. And will likely always be a trade off
Quality video with great lessons learned, stay safe and smooth rides everyone.
Thank you much!
Excellent video! I found the puncture resistant Kenda's pretty effective, and I have ridden right over thorns and broken glass several times with no flat. Ironically, I didn't start getting flats until I installed Tannus Armour. In the last ten years I've had one regular flat, and six flats caused by Tannus Armour. Seems on fat tire bikes that are ridden at high speed for long distances, the internal friction ruins the tube. I took the liners out and stopped having flats, with the exception of a strand from a steel wire brush that was long enough to go through the liner. I changed to Shinko 244 moped tires which do cut down on my top speed a bit, but I don't bother carrying an air pump anymore.
Glad you liked it! Haven't had any issues with the Tannus on my Runner yet, but then again I generally only get up 28/29 mph max. I was considering Shinkos but that added weight has me wondering.
Same. Even with Tannus liners and sealant, I got 3 flats in one month. When my knobbies wear out, I'm getting street tires.
You can also use an old seatbelt from a junk car, or a load strap from a semi truck (far better as its usually a bit wider and thicker than a seatbelt) thats been tossed due to the edges fraying, you just cut to size.
They're surprisingly tough in keeping things from puncturing the tube.
What I would love to see is a video of putting the available tire liners on the market to a test what can puncture them and how much effort it takes to push a sharp object through. As example take one of the liners and start pushing things though it, and the second liner put into a tire and start running things over to see what will puncture them.
And take some of the suggestions of alternative tire liners that people has suggested in the comments to see how they compare to the ones available on the market.
I'm currently waiting delivery of some webbing from China, for this exact purpose. It's available up to 100mm (3.9 inches) wide, and is reasonably cheap.
@@baldieman64 what kind of webbing?
I dont often comment on videos but honestly I greatly appreciate you explaining so many options. I recently got an ebike and know nothing about bikes. Im definitely going to refer back to this video and take notes. Thanks!
Awesome, thank you! I'm glad that you found it helpful!
If the bike isn't a fat bike, get yourself some Schwalbe Marathon Plus tyres. I ran them for five years on my 700C without a single puncture.
I am stunned by the amount of nails and screws in bike lanes and on the side of the roads when I’m out riding. I’ve been looking down & out while riding and that has allowed me to miss many punctures.
Yeah, it's pretty bad in my area too. Even after the street cleaner hits our roads there is still tons of debris that could cause trouble.
@kh. they're still hard to see, most of the time, when you're doing 30 mph
That's why I avoid those painted gutter bike lanes. I like the continuous left-turn lanes on many roads. Wider, better visibility as far as seeing and being seen, avoid conflicts with cars turning onto the road that tend to obstruct that gutter lane, more room to maneuver etc. I also use a mirror. I am 75 years old and the e-bike is a game changer for me, and for biking in general.
Roads are shit, Politicians are making bags
@@ElectricRidesUT You have to ride the white line, no matter how big the bike lane is.
Nothing stopped the 4 inch nail my tire found!! So NOW I have Flat Out in my wheels!!
Ouch! Yep, gotta have that Flat Out!
You explained this perfect, perfect, perfect. Just to the point with no filters,thanks much.. definitely a subscriber.
Thank you, glad that you enjoyed it! Thanks for the sub 😄
As a bike mechanic, Tannus Armour with some sealant in the tubes is my go to (don't forget your baby powder)
Great point - I tend to forget the baby powder sometimes. 😂
Baby powder?
Have heard a lot of people talking about the Tannus Armour losing thickness over time. Have you experienced this? Is it improper installation maybe?
Pool noodles instead of inner tube.
That's what I'm looking to do with 2 mountain bikes of mine. Currently, they're wheel hole inserts Slice Innertube nozzles.
really good thanks a lot you did a great job showing some things I didn't even know about
Glad you liked it! Thank you!
I have OKO heavy duty sealant in my tubes - (the big bottle stuff for tractors etc) - no flats since last summer. Barriers might prevent some punctures - but maybe 50% are caused by some failure in the wall of the tube from the inside. Sealant can handle both causes.
I'm looking to add some of the crazy tractor sealing foam myself. Good to know it's amazing!
I've had my Ebike 3 months 3 flat tires already. My Walmart under $100 cruiser no flats in 5 years!! Same bike route as always.
Haha. When I road a pedal bike I had flats now and again but with an ebike it's a common occurrence. I feel your pain!
Ebike tires are at a lower PSI which is why they're more puncture prone. Also they have more surface area.
Great overview of minimizing flat tires. Products like NoTubes work great, but need to be renewed after 3-4 months due to them drying out.
It's not if it's when. In a lot of reputable bike shops don't want to touch anything electric unless they sell them so figure it out is my best guess when it goes flat
Replace your butyl inner tube with a thermoplastic tubes which are half the weight of a butyl tube and then put a liner or foam barrier which will weigh about the same as yout original set up.
After seeing a tip online I'm going to use some seatbelt strapping to fit into the fat tyres to protect the inner tubes.
Thanks for the interesting video
Is there any issue with the belt straps moving in the tire and causing any effects due to any out-of-balance? Please share what you may have experienced by now. What method to fix the belt please?
@@houseandhobby6971 The strap I had ended up being too thin for my fat tyres so I bit the bullet and went with tannus front and back. Nice soft ride and worth the outlay imo.
Safety at high speed would have been on my mind with the seatbelt strapping to be fair.
I'm to old to fall off at 40 mph down a hill lol
@@moonshotsilver I appreciate you sharing your answer on this. I have some large yellow trailer straps from HF tools and will probably cut that to length. But also, I found that there are good tire alternatives that are used on motorcycles and scooters. Shinko models 241, 244, and 567. Sizing for those bikes differ. A 3.00x16" tire tube fits our bike 4x20 wheels/tires. Got the 244 based on look and price and reviews and will construction glue the strap in the tire (I think). And Flatout in the tubes. New tubes--going to trade out the whole crap package that came with the bike tire wise.
@@houseandhobby6971 Sounds like a bullet proof set up to reduce the risk of flats about as much as you can. Good luck and safe riding 👍
I don't know how long, but right this moment the Tannus airless tires are $35. Not good if you have a fat bike, but if you have a more normal size these are great. Have them on my e-bike recumbent and trailer.
This was a great informational video brother...thank you, you now have another subscriber. have a great day.
excellent video...much appreciated...many thanks.
Thank you much! Glad you enjoyed it 🙌
When replacing an old tire. Cut the side walls off the old tire and put into the new tire as a free liner.
I've seen a few people go this route, is this something you do on the regular? I would imagine it would add some weight but I guess around the same weight that a tire liner and 8oz of Slime/Flatout would add.
Hmmm that sounds brilliant..I just wish I seen this before changing my old tire a few days ago
Bro my left ear is dead now
Sorry 'bout that! Didn't realize that the audio was stuck on left channel until too late.
And I sold my audio equipment thinking it has gone bad.
Very informative. Thank you for the all the various options. All very good information.
Nice video with great advice ,Thank you
Thank you!
This is the best explained video I have ever watched, you need to get paid to explain all things. lol
Haha thank you, I definitely appreciate it! :D
Changing a flat on a ebike is a bitch especially dealing with a heavy hub motor.
Very true.
That's why we get many chances to learn it well.
thanks you for info. I am more concerned with rear wheel flat than front wheel. Because it requires to remove chain and brake systems. I will go with Flat Out sealant.
I've had that same concern, it can be a pain to remove the rear wheel. A tube sealant (slime) saved me from having to remove it on quite a few occasions.
@@ElectricRidesUT I used FLAT OUT on my E-Bike, a one inch screw stabbed my back tire, I removed it and flat out did the job, my portable compressor filled my tire back up to 25 PSI and it's holding strong a month later.
Don't take wheel off, just have a patch repair kit on board, remove one side of tyre and slip out tube , find puncture and fix it and slide it all back , easy.
Airless/tubeless tires are the future. The triangle or honeycomb cut outs are the most stable and offer thr best shock absorption. Made with a rubber/metal weave.
Very well done.
Thank you kindly!
My favorite method is one you didn't mention at all. I guess because of the extra weight. But I like more permanent solutions, like completely solid tubes or solid tires. Yes, they do weight more, and the ride is not as smooth, but they completely prevent flats. I put some in a trike I used to have, and then I had to sell the trike. My current bike is a very cheap Walmart bike, and I can't even get my rear tire off because there is one bolt that I can't get loose, so if I get a flat in that tire, I will be up the creek without a paddle.
You make a great suggestion! I considered adding solid tires or solid foam inserts for tires but I really couldn't find a lot that were designed for the fat tire ebike size. For the most part, everything was for around the mountain/commuter/road bike slimmer size tires. There are ebikes that use this tire size, of course, but they're not as wide-spread as the 3-4 inch ebikes tires so I decided not to add them. Do you have a brand that you're partial to?
@@ElectricRidesUT I have only tried one brand. I forgot the name, but they are yellow solid tubes. Lately, I have had a problem finding them in the right size for someone of my height range...which would be a 24 inch tire. I have also recently seen a few solid tires on Amazon, but I can't remember the brand. I think I have seen some solid fat tires, though. I just put the words solid bike tires on the Amazon search bar. AND, I even put in solid fat tires, and solid fat tubes. I don't think I found any fat tubes, but I think I did find a couple of fat solid tires. Solid tubes and tires are kind of rare, but they can be found. Amazon usually includes things not in your search description, which I find annoying. Sometimes, it is just other things, with none of what you are looking for. Some people don't like the solid tires and tubes because the ride is rougher, and that could be why they are harder to find. But, I saw a video a few weeks ago, in which someone was working on coming out with a solid tire or tube that has more air bubbles incorporated in the rubber, which makes the tire or tube feel more like it has air in it...with a softer ride. This sounds to me like it would be even more perfect. This would be the best of both worlds. Getting a flat, really socks, and I would personally rather deal with the rougher ride, than to have to deal with getting stranded because of a flat.
Have Tannus solid tires myself on my bike and trailer. Right now they are more than 50% off too.
never going to get a fat tire tube replacement. It would be just to heavy. this guy putting gorilla tape and using cool seal instead of slime with the new valve or he could have used an automobile rim shrader pop in valve aswell, is brilliant. but theycan of course leak eventually.@@ElectricRidesUT
Slime and liners will never stop a nail, only solid Tyres similar to Tannus will give stress free riding.
Agreed, I wish there were more solid fat tires out there!
Excellent informative video. I am currently running slime and Mr Tuffy liners in my 20 inch fat tire electric bike. Hopefully won’t see a flat anytime soon!
I'm glad that you liked it. I think unless you hit a nail or any other large road debris you should probably be safe!
hey did you get any flat after that ?
Tire slime works great !
Great information.
Glad it was helpful. Thank you for watching!
Thank you.
Thank you as well!
That took sometime replacing the tire and inner tube on the back wheel,Also very fiddley as well,Got that done at last,Also having to get the back wheel fitted back in place,Back wheel nicely pumped up,Job done,Now order replacement battery as well,Thats going cost me quite a bit,Just as well im busy on Jobs this week,Need the extra wages in return
Very thorough! Great video👍
Holy crap that dudes bike went atleast 8 feet in the air on that wipe out
For real, I hope the guy is doing okay after that lol
I like the 26in fat tires because they almost never get flats if you keep the PSI below 15
Keep in mind that for fat tire ebikes, using slime or flatout is fine, but if you have something such as a gravel bike or road bike and you tend to go at higher speeds on those 30mph+, slime and flatout can introduce wheel wobble.
@9:02 ... yes, VERY important. I found out during my ride that my glue tube dried out. Was lucky enough to find a gas station 1 km away that had one repair kit left :))
For a 40x2 e-bike, Tannis Armor + Flat Out. No issues... yet..
40x2?!
I tried Flat Out on my 4" fat tires. I came back to my bike after a work shift to find my tire flat, and sealant EVERYWHERE. A huge mess. Apparently this only works if the puncture is pointing DOWN. I was unaware the tire was punctured and the puncture was resting towards the top of the tire the entire time, spewing sealant into the tire and out of the rim. I think this kind of sealant is really only doable if you go tubeless.
What a mess! Luckily, I've never experienced anything like that using sealant in my tubes. Very strange.
I don`t know but maybe just maybe vandalism. Just a thought.
Great video. I have too frequent flats so I am looking for a better solution. I have tried the foam pipe insulation and it did become a thin layer after two weeks. Slime tire allows me to continue riding home but doesn't reduce the number of patches I have to do. Would FlatOut be similar to slime?
Glad that you enjoyed it! Sounds like the problems I was having (still sometimes have) with flats. The pipe insulation/pool noodle liners also quickly compressed down to be as useless as a layer of Saran wrap when I tried it, not sure how other people prevent that from happening, much lower PSI?🤷♂️ I normally go with Slime just from habbit but from what I hear FlatOut is slightly more effective. I'll probably go with that the next time I need to swap out tubes.
bought a "stop a flat" solid tube and needed a high wall tire which a kenda 26 x 2.125 works well. very hard to install but just enough give to prevent the steel in the bead from coming out. slime works well but the stop a flat prevents any problem for the life of the tire.,
I love to see that the solid tires/tubes are becoming more prevalent. Just curious, what was the main difficulty that you were running into while installing?
I use them for ebikes. the tire wall height is the issue. some have too much wall height and many have a insufficient wall height. finding the right tire is the issue. I used a kenda 26 2.125 ball;oon tire which gave just a tight enough fit yet did not force me to break the bead with the tire irons I was using. I am referring to the old school bell solid tubes and the stop a flat yellow tubes on amazon. a pedal bike can use them if they only use a skinny tire as the balloon cruiser tires use inserts that are way too heavy and uncomfortable to use with out motor assist. In mountain bikes I see now a pencil diameter tube used in a foam type covering that is used as a fail safe tube for trial bike races, but those are expensive still. costing $70 USD or more. It allows racers who must finish the race to complete despite a flat. @@ElectricRidesUT
With the weight of the solid tubes, the inertia means slower take offs and less battery time. So I would not recommend the balloon solid tire for any pedal bike. but for a gas bike or ebike 350 watt or higher they prevent flats and do not seem to hinder performance too much.
I've always used Slime and this time around I have their heavy-duty tubes with the Slime already in them on my recumbent trike, and Flatout in my and my wife's RAD Expand 5s. I typically go years without flats.
UPDATE: I got a flat on one tube after 9 months so I switched to Marathon Plus tires with just Green Slime. It's now been almost 5 months and so far so good.
Nice! Do you notice any difference between the Slime and Flatout? Some say Flatout is supposed to be slightly better. I've used Slime ever since I was a kid so it's usually my go-to.
@@ElectricRidesUT no difference for me.
I put green slime 2in1 in my tubes on my radrunner plus and it did jack nothin on two punctures I got. the tube deflated.
@@slugzkea You need to get the sealant that has "Kevlar" fibres and use half the bottle for each tire Flat Out Canadian Tire better prices than Amazon for this stuff
Flat out, here’s the proof why flat out is way better than slime and liners, it’s not even close, proof here ruclips.net/video/-X0y-2AsGRk/видео.html
Great video, but it's odd the whole category of puncture proor or puncture resistant tires was never mentioned,
Good stuff. Subscribed. 👊
Thank you much, I appreciate it ! 🤘
I went to Walmart and bought 2 puncture resistant tires and tubes. Best $60 I've ever spent.
What size did you get? I've been wondering if more brick and mortar stores are starting to carry fat tire/ebike size tubes now but I haven't seen much in my area.
@@ElectricRidesUT they have 26", 24", 20" and 16". The tires last me a little over a year if I rotate the tires when the rear one is starting to wear down.
Got my first e bike, and a flat an hour later. Freaking goat heads got me 😂
Nothing is certain in this life but death, taxes, and goat heads giving you flats. 🤣
I got the bikes fixed. Did my first ride to work today. 45 mins. Man was it cold 😅
Got both tires with lining, and slime. I now have been riding for a week from Sherman Oaks to West LA. Omg. It’s fun, but so cold some mornings and late nights.
I live in Canada and it gets pretty cold here, I was wondering if I should use Flat out? Will it freeze in the winter?
Nice video, very informative. Where did you get the pressure monitor? Thanks
It was on Amazon but looks like that exact version is no longer available. I've seen similar ones that look to be near-identical in design and function though. Such as: amzn.to/3z9F1mp
@@ElectricRidesUT Thanks for your time.
What about Presta valves? Or pressure adjustment with less volume in you tire?
I wonder if I could 3D print in sections that fit together out of TPU Nylon or ABS that go in the tire first to create a barrier about an inch thick. 3D prints can be printed hollow so that weight very little. I think the hard part would be preventing the 3D parts from pinching the tube. Maybe using the double tube method or Mr. Tughfy with the 3D printed parts? I have only had 2 flats in about 1200 miles, one was very slow and I could have lived with it just adding air every couple of days, the other was a large screw that went through broke in half and put multiple holes in the tube as I slowed from 30 to 0. I have double tubed after each one.
Found out if you have a powerful DD gearless FRONT WHEEL MOToR of a 1500 watt and higher, NEVER excell the throttle when turning going over 20mph because most front wheel hubs are double wall rims which when turning of throttle on the pressure of rotation is heavy on the tubes as it will pinch inner tube against inner side sleeve of rim. I know due to myself getting happy of the speed while turning of 3 times. I noticed it was me turning and increasing speed only to almost wipe out. Same place and same turn as all 3 times I pushed throttle. Now , this is for the 2 inch width tires, likely the 3 to 4 inch fat tires don't have this issue but yeah, I know now not to do this anymore.
That is great to know! Thank you!
It was all 3 times of months apart, I went full throttle going home as there were 2 turns 200 feet apart, I was feeling like them motorcycle racers leaning low around corner but I accelerate the throttle to keep speed up on straight away. Before my 2 nd turn I noticed a bit of a wobble of handle bars and knew my tire flat out , as soon as I made 2nd turn I almost wiped out as I saw tire flush out air. Happening a few times at same spot with same type of riding made it easy to figure out the issue.
@@ElectricRidesUT But e bike speed over 20mph puts a lot of pressure of the tires of all the obstacles and type of terrain bike encounters of that speed. The fat tires counter this but leaves bike hell of heavy. It is a MUST of any e bike rider with 2 inch tires ride the e bike like they would a car when encountering the minor bumps, dips, pot holes, driveway entry curbs, ect. I notice I've been riding fast like a kid speeding thru everything as I've learned the hidden reasons of e bike issues of flats and air out( constant re pumping air to abused tire) besides the traditional issues, this issue of riding of always easing up to 4 to 2 mph of encountering such terrain. Them pot holes going fast is a killer to the rim more then the tire.
Wowwww really learned a lot thank you very muchhhhhhhhhh
Thank you, appreciate letting me know! 🙌
Best thing to get is slime inner tubes and fresh new tires after they well worn down,I still been getting some more punchers on my back wheel now,I get them tires replaced soon as well,Costed me a fortune,Its well worth it,Or end up keep on glue more patches on the inner tubes,Never going for normal inner tubes no more,Thats what you got to do to avoid punchers
Excellent
My new 3.0 Ike from electric came with one already in tires. 3 inch fat tires.
That definitely sucks
I see a lot of people recommending Shinko moped tires. Is there a 26x4 equivalent to these? What is the toughest 26x4 tire anyone has encountered?
Thank you, subscribed :)
Thank you too!
What about Tannus solid foam tires? I really do not like to change my tubes every once in a while even though if it is once a year. I literally hate it flat tires
How bout using a smaller 3-inch tire inside a 4-inch fat tire? I am going to try and let you know.
I imagine it may help a little, but I think I received just as many flats on my 3.3inch Runner tires than I get on the 4inch tires on the other bikes. Let me know!
Just got new fat tire e bike in three hundred miles got three flats. All from tiny steel wire . From cars poorly maintained steel belted tires. Just ordered new tires and liners
Has anyone tried shower pan liners they sell at Home depot? Just cut it and install them like regular tire liners..i heard a foot long is enough and it works well think I'll give it a try..
Haven't thought of those. Let me know how they work if you do!
I have had ten flats in one year.
Slime leaked out.
Fix a flat leaked.
Tannis liner was too small for my 26 inch tire. I had to cut it to fit to size, in which it had a 4-in gap to fit tightly. (It was just too small)
Foam Tubes compress over time and won't work well
I got fat tires 1,700 miles no flats
i have a fat tire e bike ad was contemplating lining my tires with adhesive kevlar tape (the commercial kind, not intended for tires), im wondering if the adhesive combined with the airpressure would be sufficient to keep the tape in place, or whether i should use patch kit glue or something
I've heard of liners with kevlar woven in so I imagine it may work well. The only thing that may cause issues is if the tape's adheasive was acidic and caused the tire's rubber to break down over time.
Slime and Mr Tuffy are not bulletproof. I have both on a regular MTB and I still got flats. They will take care of goat heads but things like nails and staples it's iffy. I got a staple on the rear wheel that went through the tire liner but the slime patched it up. Recently I got two tacks on my front wheel while riding in the rain and both the liner and slime failed. I had to patch it up.
Did y'all see that bike fly 😂🤣🤣 1:56
I be-done seen 'bout everything when I seen an a bicycle fly
tanus solid tires , no more flats
I definitely want to check out a solid tire but for some reason all the companies stay away from fat tire ebikes.
awesome. subbed
Just put flat stop in my tires. Next month im going to get tannus inserts.
For many years I've used Slime but it has seemed to lose quality now and is much less effective.
I've noticed this as well, glad it's not just me. I used to have no issues with Slime - now it works most of the time with thorn puctures.. but not always.
Time 3 tire liners.. problems solved
Left Ear said nope because Right Ear was sad
Okay then 👌
What about solid rubber tyre
It's a good suggestion, though, last I checked there wasn't a ton of solid tires for fat tires out there so I didn't mention that option.
Muc Off inner tube sealant every time!
I'll have to try that one out, thank you!
We in australia call goat heads "double G"'s
Very interesting! Nasty little things.
Nice video :)
Thanks!
Instead of using an old inner tube I have used old slick tires as a liner...
I also be well worth buying some of that slime to put inside inner tubes,Less chance of getting any more punchers,Ive never known to get sooooooooooooo many punchers before,Getting bad to worse for it,Soon I bike home,Tires are still pumped up,Always first thing next day,One of the tires flat again,Ive only had my E bike for about nearly 16 months now,Brought brand new on E bay,It do get used quite a lot,Ive had a lot out use out of it,Need to get a chain breaker,Get the chain replaced and ball bearnings in the crank,I got some spares in my cupboard,About time really to give my E bike a full service repair
Talk about changing the back tire on a E bike.
Maybe something that I will do in the future. Thank you for the suggestion!
2:00 Bike lanes in the gutter -I mostly avoid riding in those lanes for the reason shown. E-bikes enable higher sustained speed and a wreck at 20 is four times worse that a wreck at 10. These "painted gutter lanes" are my town's attempt at making the city more bike-able, but are in fact intended make sure motor vehicles have the right of way and can move untroubled by pesky bikes.
I use a mirror, ride the continuous left turn lane on many streets, and move over for overtaking traffic if no left-turn lane. If they get pissed that I don't go into the gutter for them I don't care.
Our Governor has made treating red-lights and stop signs as yield signs for bikes.
I used to drive commercial, so I am practiced and comfortable dealing with auto traffic. My riding style might not be for everyone.
Lol.. They guy hitting junk on side of road then flipping😂
Tyre fitters hate the Can sealant in the Can and slime because hate to get IT On their Hands
Tannus Armour
Good choice, no problem with mine so far!
Keeping my tires inflated close to max psi has worked well for me.
I like to use a combination of better tires (HEB Allscape), Mr Tuffy liners, and tubes that already have sealant inside of them.
oooor maybe we can install a large rotating brush in front of our el.bikes to clean the road in front of us...
I would rather just have solid tires but they seem so rare and never seen a bike that comes with solid tires out of the box. Only on electric scooters.
Slime didn't work for me. It clogged the valve. Couldn't get 100 psi through the valve. General tire made a self sealing tire long time ago. It was a five layer soft rubber sealant on the inside of the tire. All tires should have it.
Buy tyre slime 8ts cheap and works. And in the time it toll to out this video together. I could of pass my stool.
Tires need update & have tires without inner tubes
Why not thin aluminum as liner. Then extra tube. Goat head resistant 😮
i use theses n never get flats
stop-a-Flat Solid No-Flat Bicycle Tube, Puncture Proof
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You are only speaking in left channel
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