Better wheels. Better tires. 4 wheel drive. Hill decent/hill hold (auto only). Locking rear diff. D44 rear axle. Skid plates. Bilstein suspension. Crew cab. Leather/Heated seats. Bedliner. Roof rack. Rockford/Fosgate sound/Sirius XM/Nav. The legendary 261hp/281lbs VQ40 V6. The differences are a little more than just fog lights and an extra inch of ground clearance (Roman) for $17,000. Yes they share common bones, but are really two completely different trucks. Pro4x for me.
I have 2005 Nissan Frontier that has the V6 and 4x4 and that's about it (this is before the pro-4x days of course). BUT, I was able to load it with all kinds of aftermarket parts such as Bilstein shocks, radflow coilovers, 3inch lift, 33ich tires, custom exhaust, magnaflow muffler, K&N cold air intake and an external transmission cooler......And after all that it added up to about the same price of a tacoma of the same year and none of the aftermarket stuff. Frontier's are diamonds in the rough if you're willing to put the work into them. Hell I even had enough left over to put put a decent sound system in.
Even back then they had The old NISMO package which was essentially the PRO4x package ..... except they got rid of the NISMO exhaust. But yeah if you're willing to do the work you can get a slightly used SV for really cheap and add all the suspension and off road goodies you want
My opinion on the matter of it being the oldest truck in the market is this. Why change something that works and sells? Dodge and chevy would keep their trucks the same for decades. Changing the design all the time or as the term people use "refresh" seems foolish. To me seems like the market is treated like womens fashion now. Everything has to change with the season. But thats my two cents.
Darryl Benson why? Why does it need tech to begin with? People should know how to drive without it. With it , it's a crutch. Your right about price. Now imagine they sell the same truck they have made for 15 years or so but sell it for like 12 grand new! Like the versa. Now that is worth old tech if it's that price.
Certain tech upgrades, certain upgrades (regardless of tech or not) are important in order to maintain a line of vehicles. Interior updates including different audio and navigation setups help modernize a vehicle (and I'm not sure how much offroading you do, but a GPS when you're offroading is a life-saver, phones are worthless without reception and cannot load their maps). The main problem with design change is that if you're still using the same layout there's only so much you can really change- trim and such is about it, but it's still important to keep the vehicle fresh inside. As far as ECU/TC/VDC tech goes- our vehicles are all equipped with this stuff, base model or pro-4x, so you're going to have it regardless. Having VDC and traction control operating with the same parameters on the same computer setup as you had in 2005 probably isn't going to give you the most efficient traction control, vehicle dynamic control, ABS, etc, which is nice on and offroad (though we do tend to disable a lot of TC stuff offroad). Though you are right for the most part, the frame-on-body design is a great workhorse and there's not much to be done that will improve on it, it's just still important to keep the vehicle modernized and up-to-date. You can keep the same platform, but when your competition is offering powered, heated seats, heated mirrors, modernized audio/navigation system that your bluetooth actually connects to, you'd better get ontop of your game and start incorporating those into your vehicle's design, because those things sell, and a company like Nissan will not keep a vehicle around no matter how good it is if it's not making them money (Xterra for example). So in short, why shouldn't they keep it identical to how it was in 2005? Simply because they won't make money on it.
New technology and engineering improvements are not bad things. Speaking from an engineers perspective, you always learn from a previous design making the next design better. If a company doesn't go through the process of developing a new vehicle, they aren't going to learn. This goes well beyond driver aid tech. It's engine design, transmission, attachment methods, ergonomics, sensors designed to improve performance and assist in preventative maintenance. Technology and design advance and if you don't attempt to keep up, your company is going to be left behind.
Oh I'll agree- I was going to mention it would be brilliant if they'd kept their Xterra and included a diesel option for it, same with the frontier. They could keep the same platform, frame and body, but change quite a bit as far as sensors, engine, suspension... The Pro-4x suspension honestly is Not that impressive and should be their base-model suspension. They should offer something like RadFlo, Kings, Icon, or Fox 2.5's for their pro-4x line.
well as a consumer, please leave me behind. I will stick with my 97 pickup that doesn't have all the nanny controls. Haven't the need for dummy lights and 42 airbags and crumple zones. As a consumers perspective I dont want companies to change what I already like going.
I just bought a 2017 Frontier Desert Runner, and I love it! It has some of the Pro4x features, like shocks, tires, bed liner, fogs, and the V6 without the Pro4x price. Out the door I paid 27,000! worth it in my opinion.
Dad found and bought a rare crew cab long bed 4x4 5 spd manual pared with manual shift tcase new off the lot in '03 loaded out for $25k. Today with 355k miles all original except for the battery and spark plugs, it is still running strong and used as his dd. The truck has Cummins diesel miles with 1/100th of the maintenance to keep it going with the original clutch showing no signs of giving out anytime soon. I will be purchasing an '18 king cab v6 4wd before the end of the year.
I had that exact same base model truck in 2012. It was a nice reliable truck until I totaled it. It saved my life as the truck crumpled around me in the accident and all the air bags inflated. I was happy that even the base model didn't skimp on safety features. I wanted to buy another one to replace it but I couldn't find one at the time and ended up buying a Tacoma instead.
Great thing about the Frontier is that it is relatively unchanged since 2005. You don't need to buy a brand spanking new one to get something nice. There are plenty of used ones out there for a lot less money with the exact same functionality. Get a 2013 or 2014 pro-4x and what is the difference? A slightly different graphics option. Keep an eye out and you can find one with relatively low mileage as well.
GT6SuzukaTimeTrials yeah maybe, but you have to upgrade to get am/ fm, a.c., cruise control, 4 banger 2 wheel drive "king " cab etc msrp is 20k but you could probably get for 15k easily, or fully loaded with 4x4 v6 and crew cab that has a 36k msrp but you could probably get for under 25k possibly very low 20s. At that point why even be cheap when you can have all that and power windows, seats and more for a few thousand?
with the 2 shown it would take more than 17k to upgrade the base to a Pro4x, but what they don't say is you can get a SV 4x4 mid to high 20s and this has most of what the Pro4x has such as - 4x4, the v6, crew cab, bed liner, etc.... the only things you don't get are the Dana locking rear, slightly beefier springs, Bilsten shocks, sportier seats and full skid plates
@@SnowWolf9999 : That would be me!! I wish they still had the Forged Copper in 2019. I went with the Arctic Blue Metallic instead. Love it just as much.
I have a 08 frontier with the four banger... all i did so far are billsteins 5100 all around with 3 inch lift in front and 2 in the rear with 265 75 16 mud terrains and it does awesome off road! I live in the central coast in cali so i go to the dunes quite often and it still kicks ass. I love my truck never fails me haha
I bought the 2013 4-cylinder 4x2 SV King Cab model with manual transmission. It suits my needs, has room for my two elkhounds, and my only complaint is that it takes about 160 acres to turn a circle. I expect the crew cab long bed would be worse. The previous generation (1998-2004) Frontiers were more maneuverable.
@@MrMoth0102 I think when you get to this level as being pro reviewers they get stuff from all the oems and will generally show overall favor to everything they drive. But they will still point out the pro/con on everything. They are never going to just rip any make to shreds. If they did, the oem would never provide them with cars/trucks to review. Its a fine line they have to walk.
How do I put this? It's your money so you are absolutely free to spend it on whatever you want. I could never justify spending that kind of money on a new truck. In fact, the last 3 trucks I have owned have all been 2wd. A big reason for that is the ridiculous prices people expect for 4x4s even used. The most recent truck (actually a van) is my 87 Ford Econoline 350. It's a bare bones work van. Yes, 2wd as all vans are unless a front axle has been 3rd party installed. I live in western ny and am no stranger to heavy winter storms. I installed a locker in my rear axle, and 33 inch snow tires. Combined with over 12 inches (stock) of ground clearance, I have never gotten stuck in any snow, even 3 foot drifts. My 4x4 silverado actually used to struggle more. For the summer I put 33 inch MTs on it, and haven't come across any mud that can stop it. That being said, I can't justify getting a 4x4 when my properly equipped 2wd hasn't broken a sweat on anything I've come across.
fuel economy is more about aerodynamics than hp. the front air damn on the silvervado is only about six inches off the ground. where as these trucks don't really even have a front air damn. I used to drive a V6 2wd silverado for work, and it only averaged about 15mpg.
Nissan's VQ40 motor is an absolute rock crusher of an engine. I'll burn a few more dinosaurs in exchange for reliability and take that deal any day of the week. Trucks these days are delicate flowers, plagued with problems and recalls compared to the Frontier. And by the way, your Silverado comes with lightweight rims and street tires. The wheel/tire combo on the Rex weighs about 80lbs per corner.
The Frontier is tried and true, and no matter which model you choose, it will remain a reliable truck. Plus the resale value is pretty damn good on these.
I'm 6'2 about 260 pounds and I rode in the back of the a newer frontier and I fit in the back just fine, but compared to my friends 2013 raptor it's like sitting in a Chevy aveo, you just can't compete with the raptors leg room and room all together in the whole truck
I love my Xterra Pro-4X and I'd get the Frontier Pro-4X. To me it's always worth it to get the most loaded trim of whatever vehicle you can afford. If you can't get the most loaded trim or something close to it, buy used or downgrade to a cheaper model.
I still drive a 2002 Tundra Limited that I bought new. It doesn't have cameras, no blind spot crap, no blue tooth radio or any other "luxury" feature of the new trucks. What it does do is start every time I get in it and drive down the road. It also occasionally hauls some lumber, firewood and mulch. I wish I could buy a new version of what I have.
@Digitalbumpin I'm looking at 05-06 DC Tundras now but also the Frontier which ideally would be a crew cab long wheel base 4x4. Would really like one with the 6 speed manual but very difficult to find that combo on the used market.
I had a 2001 4x4 limited Tundra extended cab that I Loved! Almost the perfect truck imo, sadly I experienced an overhead cam issue at 225,000 that took the engine out. I almost put a replacement engine in the truck because I loved it so much but I decided to buy a bit newer truck in Hope's of better mpgs as I drive alot and 3 to 4 mpgs better adds up. The 2001 tundra was the perfect size truck imo. Id had a 1988 4x4 extended cab ranger before the tundra and really like the mid size truck size so the tundras space was awesome but not too big. The newer full size trucks were just too big for my needs/wants. So I ended up buying a 2008 frontier 4x4 crew cab long bed. And well 250,000 plus miles, 6 years later, and still running strong I have to say that the frontier has earned its place as the best truck I've ever owned! Although the 2001 tundra is a close 2nd and I wouldnt hesitate owning another first gen tundra. For me the better fuel mileage and reliability of the frontier put it ahead of the tundra but I did love the look of my tundra better. Oh and for anyone wondering why I didnt go with a Tacoma it's because I couldn't justify the price difference between it and a comparable frontier when all my research put the trucks neck and neck and the frontier seemed to win out on most categories pertaining to reliability performance and value. Resale didnt matter to me as I keep my trucks until the end of their life usually. Tacomas are great trucks I'm sure but imo for the money the frontier is better. However if they brought the first gen tundra back with a more fuel efficient engine and a newer transmission to help with mpg then I'd buy it. Or maybe just a diesel engine in a first gen tundra now that would be Awesome. If I had lots of money I'd build one of those!
So for 30.5 K I bought a 2016 Colorado Z71,4x4, V6 Ext Cab. With the 8" Nav Bose Chevy MyLink with OnStar and Bluetooth and CarPlay, plus the factory tow package! The list price was 35.5K! I love the truck, I get and average of 18mpg and 26 on the hyw empty. I also have a travel trailer that weighs 4,700 lbs I can tow effortlessly and still get 16 mpg on the flats and 10-12 mpg in the mountains of N.E. On a recent trip to FLA &TN I averaged 16 mpg on the trip with the wife and all the stuff we carry! I rolled over a Cat Scale at 9,670 lbs! With a CGWR of 12,000 I had plenty to go! We even had my HD Sportster in the bed! The only thing is the trailer was still winterized, so our water tans and grey tanks were empty. At no time was I at any time short of power! In any of the hill country we came across either on back roads or Interstate hyw. So far we have owned the truck one year now with just over 14,000 trouble free miles of all kinds of terrain. From hyw towing to off road exploring and beach running and would not hesitate to buy another!
Do a VK56 swap on a Frontier. Then you'll have the weight of a smaller/midsize truck but the horsepower and torque of the VK56 v8 engine. Google VK56 frontier or VK56 xterra. Both will give you some decent search results.
I payed 27000.00 out the door for a pretty much fully loaded SV model. 4x4, heated seats, dual control ac, fog lights, wheels, tow package, spray in bedliner with mounting system, bed extender and more. The ONLY thing I wish I had was locking rear diff.......but I'm not likely to do heavy off roading and the sv is a tank in the snow without the locking diff. I DO plan on changing the suspension out for bilsteins though. I Love the thing especially because to get the options I have would have cost me MUCH more in a different manufacturer!
Yeah not too much difference, I have a Pro4x and family member has a SV, there are so few differences it's hard to justify how much more I spent when we both bought them new
Last year I got the Nissan Frontier Desert Runner and love the HECK outta it! For me it came to around $25,000 and I got to keep the V6 4.0 engine and a lot of the features from the Pro-4X. Guess I'd miss the 4x4 but... I live in Southern California anyway so not much use for it unless for fun.
well their desert runner is a (very very mild) prerunning setup. So it's going to be 2wd, unfortunately it's not like the pro-4x bilsteins are RadFlos or Icons, they're still just cheap bilstein shocks, so you aren't going to be going pre-runner speeds in it until you swap out your suspension. However the concept is that it's for pre-running.
Love my 04 Nissan Frontier. It's the previous body style to this one but it's also the base model. At times I have way more fun in that than my 08 Silverado LTZ.
It would be awesome If you guys did a video on a 4cyl. Tacoma 4x4 5speed and maybe compare it to base Colorado. Nobody reviews base trucks. Great idea to review a base Frontier!!
i really like what you guys have done with this channel lately . for example having everyday drivers for people that dont have tons of cash to blow, which i think is most of your viewers, or at least a large group of them, like this base nissan, or big green, or that tallboy you guys just bought.anyways keep up this awsome content
Just a minor note but as a general rule a spray in bed liner from the factory is usually pretty crappy. The factory spray in liners tend to be paper thin which means they gouge and scratch easy and the factory crews almost never scuff the bed before spraying it in which makes it easy to peel off. They still charge you LineX prices for it though.
The best option is to go in the middle. The key with frontiers is to get the crew cab, 4x4, manual. Not fancy, but you get the things you need. I got mine for around $23,000 back in 2006. Those configurations are rare and they come with the Dana axle.
I am in love with the appearance of a basic white work truck. Am I crazy? As long as it’s not a base trim Colorado fleet truck. Those look like toys. I think the base trim frontier looks very nice
Even though, right now, I'm driving a 2014 Silverado , my mind still leans towards those Frontiers. I'm just waiting for Nissan, to upgrade that 4.0 . Further, I cannot understand why that 2.5 in-line 4, couldn't power a 4-WD set up. I think it would capture a good bit of market share. Not everybody want's ( or can afford the cost )of a big snortin' V8 powered 4 wheel drive beast !
I think i got the perfect Nissan Frontier S model. 2014 nissan frontier with the 4.0 v6, 4 door, 4 wheel drive, 5 ft bed with plastic bed liner. I dont know if my version is rare but ive only seen 1 other truck exactly like mine. So stock it has manual everything. Locks, windows, and mirrors. Its a very weird version of a stock truck. Ive made it my own with a 2.5 inch lift on 33's, and more things to come
They're comparing a cheap company delivery car... to a FULLY LOADED pickup for ONLY $17,000 more. So, $37,000. Hmmm. IF ya can afford it. Or get financing. It's still expensive. Unless you're well to do and dropping $70,000 on a new full-size plus adding a lift kit and (rims and tires) plus installation fees and taxes plus MORE interest on the financing... The Frontier is a really cool truck. It's an older style but proven and dependable. And it comes with all the loaded features you'd expect. Great truck.
Goddamn do I love the hell outta my Nissan Frontier! ☺️ I took my truck offloading for the first time since I bought it 6 months ago, put that baby in 4 wheel drive and tore it up!
The best IMO is the SV V6. You get all the power of the pro x4, the power windows, bluetooth, but combined with 2WD and you can get them for 25k, or only 5k more then the underpowered I4 base model. And MPG is nearly identical.
Get the base truck in black so the bumpers match. Get take off wheels from an SV or SL for cheap if you want to upgrade the wheeks. What they dont tell you in the video is that you cant get a six speed in the loaded pro 4x.
To save money. I got a 1 year old sc crew cab 4x4 with 11k miles for 24k. Cons" No locking rear diff. No leather power seats. But I've been offloading pretty often and I haven't missed the rear locker. And cloth seats are pretty comfy and still heated. I do wish the seats were power though
Also worth mentioning, the white truck, has a two-piece driveshaft. Center Support Bearings go out with abuse, in my experience. I have to imagine that the single driveshaft truck will be far more reliable when used in somewhat extreme traction conditions.
I found a loaded Pro 4X at a good price. I had to search and drive to pick it up, but a strong time tested V6 4x4 would have been quite sufficient for my needs if there was no Pro 4x to be had.
I have Nissan STX king cab, 4x4 top range with 2.5lt turbo diesel, 225/70/16 tyres, automatic 5 speed with power widows, 6 CD stacker, blue tooth n cruise control. I love it because it feel like F truck all other trucks on market might have more power/transmission gears but they more problems n cabin feel in closed. Uncle has Holden Colorado at 67000kms it cab switches are stuff.
I own an 09 Suzuki Equator. I like the cosmetics on it more than the Nissan Frontier. Growing fond of the Pro 4x and Desert Runner. Just might be my next vehicle since the Xterra went away.
So, i know a year old, but some miss the obvious. Fully loaded SV 4x4 is $27K. Prices (installed) for upgrades that exceed the Pro4x- OME Suspension and ARB Locker- $4k. UnderArmor- $1K, Kenwood Stereo -$1K, Rhino Rack- $500. So, for $6500 more, I can exceed all the capabilites of the 4x, while saving $3500 for other things. BTW, If you shop smart, or install yourself, the savings easily increase to over $5k. Same basic core, better off road capabilities and performance, for less!
Here's my want list: Manual transmission (less inclined to overheat under load; less expensive to repair); Manual transfer case linkage (less likely to malfunction); Manual hubs (less likely to malfunction than axle disconnects); Steel wheels (if you hit a rock hard enough that it would crack a cast aluminum wheel and the wheel wouldn't hold air, the steel wheel would likely bend but would be likely to still hold air--and it's easier to straighten the steel wheel than to repair the aluminum one); manual window lifts (Why the expletive deleted don't manufacturers supply vehicles with a small hole in the door panels so a crank can be inserted to operate the window manually when the electric mechanism malfunctions?). So here's my question: Which 2017 models offer more of the things on my want list?
I picked up a 2005 Sv 4dr Nissan Frontier with 225k Highway miles (bought of a co worker who maintains it at the dealership) for $3,800. 4.0 V6 4dr, sunroof. No complaints from me, except I wish it had a 4X4 but you can’t have everything, I have a 2004 Tahoe Z71 for that.
I live in Canada's snowiest city and I've only ever bought 2wd trucks (2wd ranger and a 2wd Tacoma). Idk why everyone acts like they NEED 4wd when in reality you're fine in 2wd as long as you know how to drive and work with momentum. lol.
What i don't understand is why Nissan North-America keep selling this VERY OLD version of the Navara here when the new model came out like two years now and being sold around the world.
Will like to know if you guys are having a bad experience with those trucks with the driving lights. Mine does not illuminate properly the road nor in the high beam. Thinking to invest in Rigid Industries pod leds or Black Oak pod leds to be mounted in the fog light holes. What do you think?
The answer is always the base model. Whether it be the base model nissan , ford etc. Most people never actually use their 4wd enough to warrant the price. But me, personally I don't need 4wd, power windows, power locks ,gps etc. Hell I don't even need cruise control or a/c. I don't need amenities nor want them. For me I want a truck to be a truck. Nothing more.
You must not offroad in your truck either then. Base model is a 2WD. For me a truck is worthless if it can't perform where you need it to. A 2WD, 145hp (yet still 4,600lb) vehicle offroading just doesn't cut it for me. Great work trucks for cable companies on account of how cheap they are but that's about the only use for a base model. And that's if you hate your employees. Then again my Xterra is fully armored and goes places your old mother would scold you like you were five regardless of your age if she ever found out you were on. ;)
no i just dont need amenities in a machine. Its supposed to be a truck not liberaces living room. Its a work thing. All those amenities add weight which is why trucks weigh so much today. If you need a heated seats and steering wheel in a truck you might want to check your drawers to see if youve got a snatch.
I don't offroad, just need a truck to be a truck in new england. I deal wit snow every year and have never needed 4wd. Just put sand bags in the bed with good tires and drive like safely. I find for me 4wd is a waste of money for what I do and waste of weight conservation. I like simple machines. And have no need or want for things I will never use. I would rarely use 4wd. And never use bluetooth or gps etc. If it was on a vehicle It would just sit there as I have no use for it.
Would you recommend the non-pro-4X 4X4 with the 4.0 litter V6 and the crew cab? That is the one I was looking at a few years ago. I think you can get those for around 26K+- without stuff you do not need like sunroofs and leather seats. I used a non-pro-4X 4X4 Frontier to get up to Carson Saddle near Lake City last year and it had no problem. It has the BF Goodrich AT's on it though.
Just a point here. You cannot "ADD" a bedliner to a cheaper version of a truck and come anywhere close to the quality you get from the factory sprayed in liner. The factory liner is sprayed in by robots and is very exacting in it's installation. ALL aftermarket spray ins are inferior and are installed by human hands and thus your mileage may vary based on the skill/experience of the spray painter doing your installation. No matter HOW good he or she may be, they will never approach the consistency in weight, application, and density that the robot gives.
Or u cud by one in between for 14000used with 30000miles.. That's what I did and love it to death. Got exactly what I wanted from the dealer great vehicle s.. I guess mines halfway loaded exterra
I don't mind the nissian frontier and I've always wanted the pro 4x to keep up with my brother in the mountains however 37k would be way too much for me and used ones still aren't very cheap, I couldn't justify the price
I don't know about the new Nissans. But as a former owner I can say Nissan needs to do something about their cylinder head design. They corrode and the seal around the water jackets is crap. Thats why you see so many used Nissans for sale cheap with blown head gaskets. Usually the Altimas but the trucks aswell.
Must be a small lift and skid plates around for the cheep truck . Would be maybe $2 k to fix it up some and have a nice truck. I was looking at them and the cab was overstuffed i couldnt fit. The first car i ever had was a 1981 datsun reg cab ,fit fine ,dont know why they overstuff the inside with fat seats and plastic junk.
I want a v6 higher off the ground and the regular seats in the back where adults can sit. I have a 2012 king cab and my 9yr old barely fits. oh yeah...where i live i NEED 4wd in the winter!!
I'd say the base model is decent value for money, but the Pro-4x isn't and always would remind you of its' old design and cheap plastics and what else you could've had for $37k. Especially if you've budgeted for a given monthly payment and wind up owning the base model outright in a little over half as long as it'd take for the Pro-4x.
Trucks are to expensive ! 20k for a basic old tech 4 cylinder. ?? How much tech,in the bed of a truck? Ford made it AL ? Why can't they make a full size with a 4 cylinder. A 2000 5.3 GMC made 285 HP. the sixes with better trans,would be plenty,for a daily driver.....Like to see a 4 liter full class size,with roll up widows,remember their Trucks......A race to an Affordable Pickup would be nice to see. For those of us who can't cash out stock options......Now there is a WINNER WINNER CHICKEN DINNER.........
I love my 2015 6 SPEED MANUAL V6 Frotier it's 4x4 this truck is awsome and i trust the engine alot more than the shitty new bigger prius engine of the tacoma
37K for the pro-4x? Lol. Hardly, the true car fair purchase price is only 29K. Plus you can get the S with 4x4 and/or crew cab with auto or manual. Just like you can cheapen up the pro-4x by getting it in a king cab with no stupid looking roof rack. But if your still not sure just get the SV 4x4. Best of both worlds; you get the nice radio, V6, 4wd, but none of the stuff you may not want like leather, skid plates, or the locking diff. Nissan has these truck options set up perfectly to where you can pretty much get exactly what you want. And I’ve researched these things a lot, it may just be my area, but from what I’ve seen you couldn’t spend 37K if you wanted too.
This platform gave a lot of trouble in Ireland. There were a lot of recalls due to chasis breaking in two. The Diesel engines weren't the most reliable either. Known as a navara here, lots of issues
If they offered the damn 4 door for the base model in 4x4 i'd buy that. But you have to buya much more expensive option. I just want 4x4 and 4 doors. i don't want everthing else
Better wheels. Better tires. 4 wheel drive. Hill decent/hill hold (auto only). Locking rear diff. D44 rear axle. Skid plates. Bilstein suspension. Crew cab. Leather/Heated seats. Bedliner. Roof rack. Rockford/Fosgate sound/Sirius XM/Nav. The legendary 261hp/281lbs VQ40 V6. The differences are a little more than just fog lights and an extra inch of ground clearance (Roman) for $17,000. Yes they share common bones, but are really two completely different trucks. Pro4x for me.
I have 2005 Nissan Frontier that has the V6 and 4x4 and that's about it (this is before the pro-4x days of course). BUT, I was able to load it with all kinds of aftermarket parts such as Bilstein shocks, radflow coilovers, 3inch lift, 33ich tires, custom exhaust, magnaflow muffler, K&N cold air intake and an external transmission cooler......And after all that it added up to about the same price of a tacoma of the same year and none of the aftermarket stuff. Frontier's are diamonds in the rough if you're willing to put the work into them. Hell I even had enough left over to put put a decent sound system in.
Even back then they had The old NISMO package which was essentially the PRO4x package ..... except they got rid of the NISMO exhaust. But yeah if you're willing to do the work you can get a slightly used SV for really cheap and add all the suspension and off road goodies you want
My opinion on the matter of it being the oldest truck in the market is this. Why change something that works and sells? Dodge and chevy would keep their trucks the same for decades. Changing the design all the time or as the term people use "refresh" seems foolish. To me seems like the market is treated like womens fashion now. Everything has to change with the season. But thats my two cents.
Darryl Benson why? Why does it need tech to begin with? People should know how to drive without it. With it , it's a crutch. Your right about price. Now imagine they sell the same truck they have made for 15 years or so but sell it for like 12 grand new! Like the versa. Now that is worth old tech if it's that price.
Certain tech upgrades, certain upgrades (regardless of tech or not) are important in order to maintain a line of vehicles. Interior updates including different audio and navigation setups help modernize a vehicle (and I'm not sure how much offroading you do, but a GPS when you're offroading is a life-saver, phones are worthless without reception and cannot load their maps). The main problem with design change is that if you're still using the same layout there's only so much you can really change- trim and such is about it, but it's still important to keep the vehicle fresh inside.
As far as ECU/TC/VDC tech goes- our vehicles are all equipped with this stuff, base model or pro-4x, so you're going to have it regardless. Having VDC and traction control operating with the same parameters on the same computer setup as you had in 2005 probably isn't going to give you the most efficient traction control, vehicle dynamic control, ABS, etc, which is nice on and offroad (though we do tend to disable a lot of TC stuff offroad).
Though you are right for the most part, the frame-on-body design is a great workhorse and there's not much to be done that will improve on it, it's just still important to keep the vehicle modernized and up-to-date. You can keep the same platform, but when your competition is offering powered, heated seats, heated mirrors, modernized audio/navigation system that your bluetooth actually connects to, you'd better get ontop of your game and start incorporating those into your vehicle's design, because those things sell, and a company like Nissan will not keep a vehicle around no matter how good it is if it's not making them money (Xterra for example).
So in short, why shouldn't they keep it identical to how it was in 2005? Simply because they won't make money on it.
New technology and engineering improvements are not bad things. Speaking from an engineers perspective, you always learn from a previous design making the next design better. If a company doesn't go through the process of developing a new vehicle, they aren't going to learn. This goes well beyond driver aid tech. It's engine design, transmission, attachment methods, ergonomics, sensors designed to improve performance and assist in preventative maintenance. Technology and design advance and if you don't attempt to keep up, your company is going to be left behind.
Oh I'll agree- I was going to mention it would be brilliant if they'd kept their Xterra and included a diesel option for it, same with the frontier.
They could keep the same platform, frame and body, but change quite a bit as far as sensors, engine, suspension... The Pro-4x suspension honestly is Not that impressive and should be their base-model suspension. They should offer something like RadFlo, Kings, Icon, or Fox 2.5's for their pro-4x line.
well as a consumer, please leave me behind. I will stick with my 97 pickup that doesn't have all the nanny controls. Haven't the need for dummy lights and 42 airbags and crumple zones. As a consumers perspective I dont want companies to change what I already like going.
I just bought a 2017 Frontier Desert Runner, and I love it! It has some of the Pro4x features, like shocks, tires, bed liner, fogs, and the V6 without the Pro4x price. Out the door I paid 27,000! worth it in my opinion.
heck yeah my brother did the same thing! Tacoma and Colorado were like $5K to $6K more thats like 3 years of gas lol
DudeofGwinnett I have my Desert Runner for a year now and I love it. Looks good and is confortable for me.
If you don't need 4x4 go Desert Runner, if you want an off road truck go Pro-4x ...... I have a 2010 4x and love it
I applaud nissan for keeping it Simple!!! Plz don't kill this truck
They are killing it in 21
@@SDKsa1 they are not killing it off, they are redesigning it.
They got 360 no scoped. 🤦
just bought a 2019 SL 4x4, used with 13,500 miles, for $25,500! Bargin!
Dad found and bought a rare crew cab long bed 4x4 5 spd manual pared with manual shift tcase new off the lot in '03 loaded out for $25k. Today with 355k miles all original except for the battery and spark plugs, it is still running strong and used as his dd. The truck has Cummins diesel miles with 1/100th of the maintenance to keep it going with the original clutch showing no signs of giving out anytime soon. I will be purchasing an '18 king cab v6 4wd before the end of the year.
I had that exact same base model truck in 2012. It was a nice reliable truck until I totaled it. It saved my life as the truck crumpled around me in the accident and all the air bags inflated. I was happy that even the base model didn't skimp on safety features. I wanted to buy another one to replace it but I couldn't find one at the time and ended up buying a Tacoma instead.
GrnXnham Tacomas are good 2 little overrated but great trucks
Great thing about the Frontier is that it is relatively unchanged since 2005. You don't need to buy a brand spanking new one to get something nice. There are plenty of used ones out there for a lot less money with the exact same functionality. Get a 2013 or 2014 pro-4x and what is the difference? A slightly different graphics option. Keep an eye out and you can find one with relatively low mileage as well.
I'm a base model guy. You can always spend money down the road on upgrades.
GT6SuzukaTimeTrials yeah maybe, but you have to upgrade to get am/ fm, a.c., cruise control, 4 banger 2 wheel drive "king " cab etc msrp is 20k but you could probably get for 15k easily, or fully loaded with 4x4 v6 and crew cab that has a 36k msrp but you could probably get for under 25k possibly very low 20s. At that point why even be cheap when you can have all that and power windows, seats and more for a few thousand?
with the 2 shown it would take more than 17k to upgrade the base to a Pro4x, but what they don't say is you can get a SV 4x4 mid to high 20s and this has most of what the Pro4x has such as - 4x4, the v6, crew cab, bed liner, etc.... the only things you don't get are the Dana locking rear, slightly beefier springs, Bilsten shocks, sportier seats and full skid plates
I have the base model too and in I love it plus I get a bigger bed in the back
@@SnowWolf9999 : That would be me!! I wish they still had the Forged Copper in 2019. I went with the Arctic Blue Metallic instead. Love it just as much.
I have a 08 frontier with the four banger... all i did so far are billsteins 5100 all around with 3 inch lift in front and 2 in the rear with 265 75 16 mud terrains and it does awesome off road! I live in the central coast in cali so i go to the dunes quite often and it still kicks ass. I love my truck never fails me haha
Do a least expensive truck in America vs most expensive truck in American even if it's a dually, just whatever is the most expensive
I bought the 2013 4-cylinder 4x2 SV King Cab model with manual transmission. It suits my needs, has room for my two elkhounds, and my only complaint is that it takes about 160 acres to turn a circle. I expect the crew cab long bed would be worse. The previous generation (1998-2004) Frontiers were more maneuverable.
It would be awesome if you guys did a video just like this for the Tacoma
Agreed. Do it TFL
Is Nissan paying these guys?.....I would be tempted to think they are.
FZJ802 , Tacoma costs to much
@@MrMoth0102 I think when you get to this level as being pro reviewers they get stuff from all the oems and will generally show overall favor to everything they drive. But they will still point out the pro/con on everything. They are never going to just rip any make to shreds. If they did, the oem would never provide them with cars/trucks to review. Its a fine line they have to walk.
How do I put this? It's your money so you are absolutely free to spend it on whatever you want. I could never justify spending that kind of money on a new truck. In fact, the last 3 trucks I have owned have all been 2wd. A big reason for that is the ridiculous prices people expect for 4x4s even used. The most recent truck (actually a van) is my 87 Ford Econoline 350. It's a bare bones work van. Yes, 2wd as all vans are unless a front axle has been 3rd party installed. I live in western ny and am no stranger to heavy winter storms. I installed a locker in my rear axle, and 33 inch snow tires. Combined with over 12 inches (stock) of ground clearance, I have never gotten stuck in any snow, even 3 foot drifts. My 4x4 silverado actually used to struggle more. For the summer I put 33 inch MTs on it, and haven't come across any mud that can stop it. That being said, I can't justify getting a 4x4 when my properly equipped 2wd hasn't broken a sweat on anything I've come across.
So your telling me that a full size silverado V8 4X4 can get 16/22 mpg but a V6 engine gets 15/21??!! Thats sad.
This engine was also created before the Great Recession as well though.
fuel economy is more about aerodynamics than hp. the front air damn on the silvervado is only about six inches off the ground. where as these trucks don't really even have a front air damn. I used to drive a V6 2wd silverado for work, and it only averaged about 15mpg.
Fernando Iniguez Its called Technology dumbass obviously its a older engine
Nissan's VQ40 motor is an absolute rock crusher of an engine. I'll burn a few more dinosaurs in exchange for reliability and take that deal any day of the week. Trucks these days are delicate flowers, plagued with problems and recalls compared to the Frontier. And by the way, your Silverado comes with lightweight rims and street tires. The wheel/tire combo on the Rex weighs about 80lbs per corner.
Yeah it’s a V6 but it’s a huge powerful V6
The Frontier is tried and true, and no matter which model you choose, it will remain a reliable truck. Plus the resale value is pretty damn good on these.
I'm 6'2 about 260 pounds and I rode in the back of the a newer frontier and I fit in the back just fine, but compared to my friends 2013 raptor it's like sitting in a Chevy aveo, you just can't compete with the raptors leg room and room all together in the whole truck
I love my Xterra Pro-4X and I'd get the Frontier Pro-4X. To me it's always worth it to get the most loaded trim of whatever vehicle you can afford. If you can't get the most loaded trim or something close to it, buy used or downgrade to a cheaper model.
I still drive a 2002 Tundra Limited that I bought new. It doesn't have cameras, no blind spot crap, no blue tooth radio or any other "luxury" feature of the new trucks.
What it does do is start every time I get in it and drive down the road. It also occasionally hauls some lumber, firewood and mulch.
I wish I could buy a new version of what I have.
I agree.
@Digitalbumpin I'm looking at 05-06 DC Tundras now but also the Frontier which ideally would be a crew cab long wheel base 4x4. Would really like one with the 6 speed manual but very difficult to find that combo on the used market.
i still drive my 1986 hardbody nissan .
I had a 2001 4x4 limited Tundra extended cab that I Loved! Almost the perfect truck imo, sadly I experienced an overhead cam issue at 225,000 that took the engine out. I almost put a replacement engine in the truck because I loved it so much but I decided to buy a bit newer truck in Hope's of better mpgs as I drive alot and 3 to 4 mpgs better adds up. The 2001 tundra was the perfect size truck imo. Id had a 1988 4x4 extended cab ranger before the tundra and really like the mid size truck size so the tundras space was awesome but not too big. The newer full size trucks were just too big for my needs/wants. So I ended up buying a 2008 frontier 4x4 crew cab long bed. And well 250,000 plus miles, 6 years later, and still running strong I have to say that the frontier has earned its place as the best truck I've ever owned! Although the 2001 tundra is a close 2nd and I wouldnt hesitate owning another first gen tundra. For me the better fuel mileage and reliability of the frontier put it ahead of the tundra but I did love the look of my tundra better. Oh and for anyone wondering why I didnt go with a Tacoma it's because I couldn't justify the price difference between it and a comparable frontier when all my research put the trucks neck and neck and the frontier seemed to win out on most categories pertaining to reliability performance and value. Resale didnt matter to me as I keep my trucks until the end of their life usually. Tacomas are great trucks I'm sure but imo for the money the frontier is better. However if they brought the first gen tundra back with a more fuel efficient engine and a newer transmission to help with mpg then I'd buy it. Or maybe just a diesel engine in a first gen tundra now that would be Awesome. If I had lots of money I'd build one of those!
Six years later, now we know what premium truck prices really are. The Pro-4X was always a no brainer, incredibly smart buy.
So for 30.5 K I bought a 2016 Colorado Z71,4x4, V6 Ext Cab. With the 8" Nav Bose Chevy MyLink with OnStar and Bluetooth and CarPlay, plus the factory tow package! The list price was 35.5K! I love the truck, I get and average of 18mpg and 26 on the hyw empty. I also have a travel trailer that weighs 4,700 lbs I can tow effortlessly and still get 16 mpg on the flats and 10-12 mpg in the mountains of N.E. On a recent trip to FLA &TN I averaged 16 mpg on the trip with the wife and all the stuff we carry! I rolled over a Cat Scale at 9,670 lbs! With a CGWR of 12,000 I had plenty to go! We even had my HD Sportster in the bed! The only thing is the trailer was still winterized, so our water tans and grey tanks were empty. At no time was I at any time short of power! In any of the hill country we came across either on back roads or Interstate hyw. So far we have owned the truck one year now with just over 14,000 trouble free miles of all kinds of terrain. From hyw towing to off road exploring and beach running and would not hesitate to buy another!
All I want is a single cab full size 4x4 with a v8. The f150 sticker price is just over $30k. I can build a small house for that.
Do a VK56 swap on a Frontier. Then you'll have the weight of a smaller/midsize truck but the horsepower and torque of the VK56 v8 engine.
Google VK56 frontier or VK56 xterra. Both will give you some decent search results.
Jeremy Wood you know a truck with a sticker of 30k can be had for about 22k with discounts and incentives
shawn benfield Feel free to explain further.
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I payed 27000.00 out the door for a pretty much fully loaded SV model. 4x4, heated seats, dual control ac, fog lights, wheels, tow package, spray in bedliner with mounting system, bed extender and more. The ONLY thing I wish I had was locking rear diff.......but I'm not likely to do heavy off roading and the sv is a tank in the snow without the locking diff. I DO plan on changing the suspension out for bilsteins though. I Love the thing especially because to get the options I have would have cost me MUCH more in a different manufacturer!
Yeah not too much difference, I have a Pro4x and family member has a SV, there are so few differences it's hard to justify how much more I spent when we both bought them new
Last year I got the Nissan Frontier Desert Runner and love the HECK outta it! For me it came to around $25,000 and I got to keep the V6 4.0 engine and a lot of the features from the Pro-4X. Guess I'd miss the 4x4 but... I live in Southern California anyway so not much use for it unless for fun.
Underdog Zero yeah Desert Runners are freaken awesome!
well their desert runner is a (very very mild) prerunning setup. So it's going to be 2wd, unfortunately it's not like the pro-4x bilsteins are RadFlos or Icons, they're still just cheap bilstein shocks, so you aren't going to be going pre-runner speeds in it until you swap out your suspension.
However the concept is that it's for pre-running.
DRTMaverick
Toyota Tacoma has the same cheap shocks as Nissan Frontier
Love my 04 Nissan Frontier. It's the previous body style to this one but it's also the base model. At times I have way more fun in that than my 08 Silverado LTZ.
The '04 you can turn around in less space than the Nimitz takes.
I used to have fun zinging around in my 4 banger Splash, too. I'd torque it out, and the clutch "self adjusted" to make it more fun.
It would be awesome If you guys did a video on a 4cyl. Tacoma 4x4 5speed and maybe compare it to base Colorado. Nobody reviews base trucks. Great idea to review a base Frontier!!
Give me the Frontier S with a manual any day!
i really like what you guys have done with this channel lately . for example having everyday drivers for people that dont have tons of cash to blow, which i think is most of your viewers, or at least a large group of them, like this base nissan, or big green, or that tallboy you guys just bought.anyways keep up this awsome content
It's ironic that the same thing that people criticize is the same reason the truck is a legend. 🤔🤔
Just a minor note but as a general rule a spray in bed liner from the factory is usually pretty crappy. The factory spray in liners tend to be paper thin which means they gouge and scratch easy and the factory crews almost never scuff the bed before spraying it in which makes it easy to peel off. They still charge you LineX prices for it though.
The best option is to go in the middle. The key with frontiers is to get the crew cab, 4x4, manual. Not fancy, but you get the things you need. I got mine for around $23,000 back in 2006. Those configurations are rare and they come with the Dana axle.
They should make a frontier with the 400 hp 5.6 L titan V8.
Silly comparison.....why wouldn't you like it up with an SV that has 4x4 and the same V6 engine?
The only thing I wish my 2017 Frontier S had was 4wd. I got the automatic just because I have knee problems. It has been a fantastic truck so far.
I am in love with the appearance of a basic white work truck. Am I crazy? As long as it’s not a base trim Colorado fleet truck. Those look like toys. I think the base trim frontier looks very nice
Even though, right now, I'm driving a 2014 Silverado , my mind still leans towards those Frontiers. I'm just waiting for Nissan, to upgrade that 4.0 .
Further, I cannot understand why that 2.5 in-line 4, couldn't power a 4-WD set up. I think it would capture a good bit of market share.
Not everybody want's ( or can afford the cost )of a big snortin' V8 powered 4 wheel drive beast !
I think i got the perfect Nissan Frontier S model. 2014 nissan frontier with the 4.0 v6, 4 door, 4 wheel drive, 5 ft bed with plastic bed liner. I dont know if my version is rare but ive only seen 1 other truck exactly like mine. So stock it has manual everything. Locks, windows, and mirrors. Its a very weird version of a stock truck. Ive made it my own with a 2.5 inch lift on 33's, and more things to come
The decals on the truck remind of a RC truck from newbright "cheapbrand" in the 90s..
Mine came with them though. I talked to a Honda ricekid with a VTEC Honda. He said graphics will give you 20 extra RWHP, so not all bad.
Whew hoo, this makes me REALLY happy I got my Nissan Frontier Desert Runner!!!!
Matthew Sanchez what’s the difference between Desert runner and Pro-4X?
They're comparing a cheap company delivery car... to a FULLY LOADED pickup for ONLY $17,000 more. So, $37,000. Hmmm. IF ya can afford it. Or get financing. It's still expensive. Unless you're well to do and dropping $70,000 on a new full-size plus adding a lift kit and (rims and tires) plus installation fees and taxes plus MORE interest on the financing...
The Frontier is a really cool truck. It's an older style but proven and dependable. And it comes with all the loaded features you'd expect. Great truck.
Loaded or base? I prefer the loaded model.
Yeah... it's all about that Desert Runner yo!!!
I went with the happy medium, a 4.0L Pro-4x King cab with the 6spd manual. Same truck brand new is $31,500 CAD, I've seen them marked down to $28,999.
Goddamn do I love the hell outta my Nissan Frontier! ☺️ I took my truck offloading for the first time since I bought it 6 months ago, put that baby in 4 wheel drive and tore it up!
I'd rather have a strong smooth V6. ......I pay the extra money.
The best IMO is the SV V6. You get all the power of the pro x4, the power windows, bluetooth, but combined with 2WD and you can get them for 25k, or only 5k more then the underpowered I4 base model. And MPG is nearly identical.
Get the base truck in black so the bumpers match. Get take off wheels from an SV or SL for cheap if you want to upgrade the wheeks. What they dont tell you in the video is that you cant get a six speed in the loaded pro 4x.
To save money. I got a 1 year old sc crew cab 4x4 with 11k miles for 24k. Cons" No locking rear diff. No leather power seats. But I've been offloading pretty often and I haven't missed the rear locker. And cloth seats are pretty comfy and still heated. I do wish the seats were power though
Also worth mentioning, the white truck, has a two-piece driveshaft. Center Support Bearings go out with abuse, in my experience. I have to imagine that the single driveshaft truck will be far more reliable when used in somewhat extreme traction conditions.
I got one in the middle of both. A 2011 king cab with 4x4. V6 4.0
I found a loaded Pro 4X at a good price. I had to search and drive to pick it up, but a strong time tested V6 4x4 would have been quite sufficient for my needs if there was no Pro 4x to be had.
I have Nissan STX king cab, 4x4 top range with 2.5lt turbo diesel, 225/70/16 tyres, automatic 5 speed with power widows, 6 CD stacker, blue tooth n cruise control. I love it because it feel like F truck all other trucks on market might have more power/transmission gears but they more problems n cabin feel in closed. Uncle has Holden Colorado at 67000kms it cab switches are stuff.
I really wish the long bed version of the crew cab pickup was available with the 6spd manual. The shorter bed is just a little too short for my needs.
Well I know I need a 4x4 so I was hoping to hear your thoughts on the Pro-4x vs standard 4x4
I got a 2018 frontier pro4x love it
I own an 09 Suzuki Equator. I like the cosmetics on it more than the Nissan Frontier.
Growing fond of the Pro 4x and Desert Runner. Just might be my next vehicle since the Xterra went away.
that pro4x sells for 5k below MSRP last time i was shopping for a truck
So, i know a year old, but some miss the obvious. Fully loaded SV 4x4 is $27K. Prices (installed) for upgrades that exceed the Pro4x- OME Suspension and ARB Locker- $4k. UnderArmor- $1K, Kenwood Stereo -$1K, Rhino Rack- $500. So, for $6500 more, I can exceed all the capabilites of the 4x, while saving $3500 for other things. BTW, If you shop smart, or install yourself, the savings easily increase to over $5k. Same basic core, better off road capabilities and performance, for less!
"You know, there's a bit of an elephant in the room, aside from me." - Nathan
Here's my want list: Manual transmission (less inclined to overheat under load; less expensive to repair); Manual transfer case linkage (less likely to malfunction); Manual hubs (less likely to malfunction than axle disconnects); Steel wheels (if you hit a rock hard enough that it would crack a cast aluminum wheel and the wheel wouldn't hold air, the steel wheel would likely bend but would be likely to still hold air--and it's easier to straighten the steel wheel than to repair the aluminum one); manual window lifts (Why the expletive deleted don't manufacturers supply vehicles with a small hole in the door panels so a crank can be inserted to operate the window manually when the electric mechanism malfunctions?).
So here's my question: Which 2017 models offer more of the things on my want list?
I put over 275000 miles each on a '98 and a 2004 and the power windows never gave a minute's trouble.
the D40 navara headlights look way better and did the frontier get the Diesel V6 V9X engine?
Nathan...good line..."a Sentra..."
I picked up a 2005 Sv 4dr Nissan Frontier with 225k Highway miles (bought of a co worker who maintains it at the dealership) for $3,800. 4.0 V6 4dr, sunroof. No complaints from me, except I wish it had a 4X4 but you can’t have everything, I have a 2004 Tahoe Z71 for that.
I live in Canada's snowiest city and I've only ever bought 2wd trucks (2wd ranger and a 2wd Tacoma). Idk why everyone acts like they NEED 4wd when in reality you're fine in 2wd as long as you know how to drive and work with momentum. lol.
37k sticker. You can get a regular cab 4wd full size truck for that or perhaps a Colorado.
What i don't understand is why Nissan North-America keep selling this VERY OLD version of the Navara here when the new model came out like two years now and being sold around the world.
I think we are finally getting one based off the new platform in 2020
Will like to know if you guys are having a bad experience with those trucks with the driving lights. Mine does not illuminate properly the road nor in the high beam. Thinking to invest in Rigid Industries pod leds or Black Oak pod leds to be mounted in the fog light holes. What do you think?
Why not both? They make versions like the desert runner (rwd pro4x which would be interesting to see tested) and the crew cab base models.
The answer is always the base model. Whether it be the base model nissan , ford etc. Most people never actually use their 4wd enough to warrant the price. But me, personally I don't need 4wd, power windows, power locks ,gps etc. Hell I don't even need cruise control or a/c. I don't need amenities nor want them. For me I want a truck to be a truck. Nothing more.
Did you order your wife without teeth?
Mookie Man Sounds like all he needs is a Momo steering wheel hooked up to his computer. 😜
You must not offroad in your truck either then. Base model is a 2WD.
For me a truck is worthless if it can't perform where you need it to. A 2WD, 145hp (yet still 4,600lb) vehicle offroading just doesn't cut it for me. Great work trucks for cable companies on account of how cheap they are but that's about the only use for a base model. And that's if you hate your employees.
Then again my Xterra is fully armored and goes places your old mother would scold you like you were five regardless of your age if she ever found out you were on. ;)
no i just dont need amenities in a machine. Its supposed to be a truck not liberaces living room. Its a work thing. All those amenities add weight which is why trucks weigh so much today. If you need a heated seats and steering wheel in a truck you might want to check your drawers to see if youve got a snatch.
I don't offroad, just need a truck to be a truck in new england. I deal wit snow every year and have never needed 4wd. Just put sand bags in the bed with good tires and drive like safely. I find for me 4wd is a waste of money for what I do and waste of weight conservation. I like simple machines. And have no need or want for things I will never use. I would rarely use 4wd. And never use bluetooth or gps etc. If it was on a vehicle It would just sit there as I have no use for it.
Would you recommend the non-pro-4X 4X4 with the 4.0 litter V6 and the crew cab? That is the one I was looking at a few years ago. I think you can get those for around 26K+- without stuff you do not need like sunroofs and leather seats. I used a non-pro-4X 4X4 Frontier to get up to Carson Saddle near Lake City last year and it had no problem. It has the BF Goodrich AT's on it though.
Just a point here. You cannot "ADD" a bedliner to a cheaper version of a truck and come anywhere close to the quality you get from the factory sprayed in liner. The factory liner is sprayed in by robots and is very exacting in it's installation. ALL aftermarket spray ins are inferior and are installed by human hands and thus your mileage may vary based on the skill/experience of the spray painter doing your installation. No matter HOW good he or she may be, they will never approach the consistency in weight, application, and density that the robot gives.
Or u cud by one in between for 14000used with 30000miles.. That's what I did and love it to death. Got exactly what I wanted from the dealer great vehicle s.. I guess mines halfway loaded exterra
I really like what you guys did here. Excellent points being made here and informative content. Keep up the good work guys!!! Love from France :)
I don't mind the nissian frontier and I've always wanted the pro 4x to keep up with my brother in the mountains however 37k would be way too much for me and used ones still aren't very cheap, I couldn't justify the price
Isn't it called Navara? And isn't there a new model?
Very unattractive graphics.
I agree! Graphic look stupid on just about all trucks. It gives it a very crappy early 90's look.
The undercarriage view you recorded by driving over the camera was cool. You should do that for every video.
I love this truck and the old generation Pathfinders.
Can you get the Pro4x without all the graphics?
No, you can probably just peel them off though lol.
Yes you can
Where's the 2018 with the diesel? I'm still waiting. If the ranger offers it first I will be buying one of those
I don't know about the new Nissans. But as a former owner I can say Nissan needs to do something about their cylinder head design. They corrode and the seal around the water jackets is crap. Thats why you see so many used Nissans for sale cheap with blown head gaskets. Usually the Altimas but the trucks aswell.
I love my Pro4x 6speed
Do both trucks have push start or does the cheaper one just have a regular key with no chip?
Must be a small lift and skid plates around for the cheep truck . Would be maybe $2 k to fix it up some and have a nice truck. I was looking at them and the cab was overstuffed i couldnt fit. The first car i ever had was a 1981 datsun reg cab ,fit fine ,dont know why they overstuff the inside with fat seats and plastic junk.
I want a v6 higher off the ground and the regular seats in the back where adults can sit. I have a 2012 king cab and my 9yr old barely fits. oh yeah...where i live i NEED 4wd in the winter!!
I'd say the base model is decent value for money, but the Pro-4x isn't and always would remind you of its' old design and cheap plastics and what else you could've had for $37k. Especially if you've budgeted for a given monthly payment and wind up owning the base model outright in a little over half as long as it'd take for the Pro-4x.
Nice review.
I really wish the Mazda B series trucks would come back to the American market.
Trucks are to expensive ! 20k for a basic old tech 4 cylinder. ?? How much tech,in the bed of a truck? Ford made it AL ? Why can't they make a full size with a 4 cylinder. A 2000 5.3 GMC made 285 HP. the sixes with better trans,would be plenty,for a daily driver.....Like to see a 4 liter full class size,with roll up widows,remember their Trucks......A race to an Affordable Pickup would be nice to see. For those of us who can't cash out stock options......Now there is a WINNER WINNER CHICKEN DINNER.........
wow that 2017 has rear locking diffs and skid plates underneath? my 2000 tacoma has that and then some!
They've had a rear locking diff option since the 2nd gen xterra/frontiers came out. It's not new. It's featured in all Off-Road and Pro-4x models.
How much was Toyota Tax?
Buy the 4 wheel drive base model and take it to 4 wheel parts!
Can you tell me which truck it's better frontier or tacoma ....
i see you guys in usa have the old nissan frontier, here in latin américa we have the frontier np300, why is that?
TFL: what is the probability that I could buy an all new 2018 Frontier (US Market)?
You guys should do this type of video for different models
I love my 2015 6 SPEED MANUAL V6 Frotier it's 4x4 this truck is awsome and i trust the engine alot more than the shitty new bigger prius engine of the tacoma
I honestly like the base model more than the offroad one, if I want to offroad I'll ride a motorcycle instead.
37K for the pro-4x? Lol. Hardly, the true car fair purchase price is only 29K. Plus you can get the S with 4x4 and/or crew cab with auto or manual. Just like you can cheapen up the pro-4x by getting it in a king cab with no stupid looking roof rack. But if your still not sure just get the SV 4x4. Best of both worlds; you get the nice radio, V6, 4wd, but none of the stuff you may not want like leather, skid plates, or the locking diff. Nissan has these truck options set up perfectly to where you can pretty much get exactly what you want. And I’ve researched these things a lot, it may just be my area, but from what I’ve seen you couldn’t spend 37K if you wanted too.
This platform gave a lot of trouble in Ireland. There were a lot of recalls due to chasis breaking in two. The Diesel engines weren't the most reliable either. Known as a navara here, lots of issues
Manual frontier kinda blows it has a dual mass flywheel that makes clutch engagement extremely unpredictable
If they offered the damn 4 door for the base model in 4x4 i'd buy that. But you have to buya much more expensive option. I just want 4x4 and 4 doors. i don't want everthing else