I take my hat off to anyone who keeps a classic car on the road. Emotionally, you will never believe how much pleasure I get from just seeing one of these vehicles on the road. Cars that were a significant part of my formative years. I wish I could afford to have one. I look forward to the warmer months when these cars are taken on the road. Museums are great but I like to see the cars on the road where they belong. I would be happy to see the end of government but I never want to see the end of the cars that make up our shared past and heritage. So much of our past is being erased. it is like we are being deleted, one piece at a time. Can we come together to stop this criminal move. I love anything that symbolises the progress of our culture and our industrial development. It didn't all start with the apple phone you know. We were a great nation, once upon a time.
It's not just about wanting more tax but the fact with EVs, motorists are paying less tax to the government, and the government needs that money. The next 5 years will see a heavy shift in the way we are going to be taxed. Pay per Mile, pay per day, motorway fees, up the fuel duty on petrol and diesel.... You name it they'll be looking at it.
What will happen to EVs is you will be charged fuel duty and VAT at 20% on every KWH used to charge the car instead of the 5% VAT charged on domestic electricity. Even 5% is a travesty when you consider VAT was originally called “Purchase Tax” levied on “Luxury Items” since when was electricity and gas considered a luxury?
We had a nice rolling exemption of 25 years - scrapped by Gordon Brown in 1997 and eventually reintroduced as a 40 year exemption in 2014. It's supposed to be for Historical and Heritage reasons. If Labour gets in they'll probably scrap it again - they don't want you driving cars at all. Though to be fair, I don't think any parties want you driving cars - but they still want the tax somehow.
And here we go again with "they don't want us driving anywhere" who invented this idea? If we didn't drive the whole countries economy would crash unless there is an alternative to driving that I'm unaware of?
@@st200olso long as commercial vehicles were free to go about their business, the economy would not be as badly affected as it was during lockdowns, for example. What evidence do you see for this idea being untrue? Beyond common sense that is.
@@dungareesareforfoolsI need to drive to work, around 40 miles each way, as do a lot of people and I pay a MASSIVE AMOUNT of tax and I mean a MASSIVE AMOUNT of income tax, if I told you how much it would make your eyes water. If the Government stopped me and many like me driving to work they would lose billions of pounds of tax revenue. How else could I get to work if I couldn't drive? Public transport would involve two bus rides and three separate trains, each way. There is no way any government wants people like me, joe public, to give up their cars.
I don't think the DVLA guy meant that the rolling exemption would be stopped, I'm pretty sure that he isn't privy to any advance information, simply that if any changes were to be made, that it would take place in an April budget.
V.E.D is purely and simply a Property tax. A highly convenient and lucrative MULTI BILLION POUND Annual racket. Road tax ( a specific tax for the upkeep of roads was abolished in the UK in 1937! and we've never has a specifically ACCOUNTABLE tax for the roads since!!! ( apparently according to the GOV, our lovely liars , I meant leaders )
These taxes aren’t about money as such, it’s all about control via imposing wage slavery - the feudal serf system never went away it simply got rebranded
My 1982 Rolls-Royce Silver Spirit turned 40 in October last year. Fortunately, whilst doing some research into how to apply for historic status, I uncovered the fact that the DVLA operate in tax years. I actually phoned them and a nice lady explained the practice to me. The MOT was due in March 2023, so I still had to get that done and I chose to tax the Roller rather than sorn it for a month. Then i went to my post office to apply. I then cancelled the road tax direct debit after I'd received my new V5.
When I applied for my exception on my 1980 classic car a few years back I could not get it processed at 40 years of age, it was nearly 41 years old when they finally allowed it to be processed. I think the DVLA work it into the tax year, so if it was registered before April 1st then it could be processed, if it was registered after April 1st which mine was then you have to wait another year. The trouble is that this is not explained when you are first applying for your exception and the Post Office did not know either.
The tax exemption goes on the build date I had a 79 reg car but was built in nov 78 applied for exemption with proof of the build date which was on the vin tag and all came straight back no problems
@@LesterLovesWatches I've just had to tax my 1983 bike, I asked the lady for the V112 form because I know that I can apply for it early next year due to my build/registration date, I also asked if I'd get a part refund on the years tax I've just paid. She said that they won't do anything until November next year when this tax expires, she was reluctant to give me that V112 form now because it will probably change. I dunno, does she know what she's talking about??
I belive that they stopped the rolling exemption once before & then reintroduce it at a later date. Hopefully if this happens again it won't affect the existing vehicles.
I don't trust any of these politicians. I remember when " 2 Jags" John Prescot changed the rules for tax ememption of classic cars from 25 years to 40 years. It would be really nice for me if they reduced it to 30 years, but sadly in the UK, everyone sees cars as a pawn that can be used to screw the motorists in one way or another.
This is a standard letter which I also received 2 years ago. Its just covering their backs as any form of taxation can change at any time on a chancellors whim at budget time.
There are far too many influential people in positions of power that see this won't happen. The Vintage and Veteran brigade cannot be treated any differently to 40+ years. Added to the fact it's just not a money saver for the government. And it's the money that counts, not the emissions.
You do know they have a team of highly paid hamster's sat in a room thinking up ways to change things around just to get more money out of the public and into their coffers, or so it seems....
I like the idea of the 30 year rule for historical status. My viva is 50 years old, but my daily is a 1991 Audi 100. Bearing in mind that historical status also is ulez exempt..🤞🤞
And you could have identified an issue where the govt needs to review. 30 year old cars are comparatively very polluting. So if people claim "scrappage" on their 10 year old diesels just to buy 31 year old diesels then it is self defeating
In Australia historic vehicle registration/status is 30 years and your bmw and other modern classics from mid to late 80s and early 90s would already be eligible for historic rego in Australia or other countries. That 40 year historic vehicle status is unfair and ridiculous!
iirc it was labour that removed the original ved exemption which used to be around 25 years old i think, it was stopped at january 1973 iirc, the tories reintroduced it by starting the annual roll again from where it was stuck. However it doesn't mean they won't remove it or just stop the roll on
Yes this is what happened . The Jan 1973 date would also tie in with the law which said only pre 1973 cars could use black and white/silver number plates . As you say the 40 year old legislation came in later and they were allowed to use black and silver plates . It is possible that future changes could suspend the rolling programme , but , I doubt that they would take it away from vehicles that are already classed as historic . But you never know with the government .
New Labour was very anti car, if only we'd seen through them and kicked them out in 2001. Imagine how many Iraqis and coalition troops would still be alive.
@@ChrisPatrick-q6k Well huge numbers of Iraqis/Kuwaitis would have been tortured to death. Coalition casualties were minimal. Maybe you are someone who enjoys drilling through peoples knees with large hammer drills, an Iraqi predilection. Either way not relevant to classic cars.
The way i read it was he would stop the rolling exemption so anything already exempt it would not apply to & he will just cap it from rolling over every year
Be very careful if you complain to the chancellor or his office, he will use police action to frighten and scare you as he did with me as he didn’t like what I said. Sad times we live in 😢
Of the vehicles in the historic vehicle category how many can be re taxed in another free category e.g my steam roller is tax as historic but steam vehicle is also free.
Of course they could change it at any point.... They already have on previous occasions. Tax exemption use to be for any vehicle over 25 years old. Then they changed it to any vehicle pre-1973. Then they moved it to any vehicle over 40 years old. They'll swap and change it to what ever brings them in the most money/votes.
This could simply be a knee jerk reaction to the amount of people buying up classics, which are ULEZ exempt to use as daily drivers in clean air zones, which not in the spirit of the rolling exemption and the tax & MOT free historic class. Where originally the argument was that people using cars occasionally for shows, meets, rallies etc meant it was unfair for cars that were hardly used to pay the full rate of road tax.
It would probably mean a freeze on the rolling exemption. They've done it before. It used to be a rolling 25yr exemption. Labour got in to power and froze it so no more cars were made exempt, but those that were stayed exempt...pre 1April 973 I think it was. Then it got reinstated as a rolling exemption again.
Our Tax year is April 6th to April 5th. Each year, the budget has changes in Taxation, so the line 'could be changed' is a standard statement as it refers to the fact that Tax rates can be changed at each budget.
The Government would have to employ thousands of civil servants to administer which is why they did away with charging plus a great classic car industry was created producing VAT and that's over 6 billion a year.Think.
All possibilities are on the table with Jeremy Hunt. Pensioners are now paying tax because he slyly froze the base rate for tax. I would not put anything past this guy.
It is amazing isn't it that most countries do not demand a compulsory tax to drive a vehicle on the roads? An MOT certificate or Certificate of Fitness should be evidence enough your vehicle is safe and complies with legislation. Why should millions of hard working people be forced to pay to drive a vehicle on the roads? The VED is part of general taxation and has been since 1936 so what is the justification for another compulsory tax?
I am presently trying to get a Sorned 1982 motorcycle changed to historic status, followed the DVLA/DVSA instructions, took all the paperwork to the P.O as required, waited 6 weeks for the V5c to come back and they didn’t change the status. Contacted the DVSA to be told I actually needed to tax the bike first, pay for it and then I will be refunded once the status is changed to historic. It does sound like there’s another government U turn coming up and no doubt it will then need an MOT too which it is presently exempt from.
I wouldn't read too much into that, it's always been the case that it could be frozen. As someone else pointed out, the last Labour government did that and it was subsequently reinstated.
I think it could mean the rolling exemption on the 1 April each year could be stop, to stop the confusion and instead it get classic status on the cars 40th birthday,
This video is old now, tories have been kicked out now, any updates so far? I just bought a 1894 w123 230ce but it was registered 1st may 1984, so I'll have to wait until April 2025, 🤦🏽♂️I always wanted a w123 coupe, had several saloons back in 2014
In most USA states, we have a 25 year 'Classic' status for motor vehicles. They can get 'antique' plates, be exempt from pollution and safety inspections where have them, possible lower registration fees and 'car taxes' (some states have an annual car tax on the value of the vehicle, including Nevada).
Agree with a couple of the other comments, "James" from DVLA who sent the mail is just stating that the exemption applies from the following April of when the vehicle turns 40 yrs old not from the immediate date it turns 40. He is simply saying that the April budget is when changes are made to taxes, duties, vehicle excise duties etc, so any changes in that budget regarding the classic vehicle exemption following the car turning 40 would apply as it would also apply to any other vehicle where the road tax was changed. Think the author of the email could have worded or explained better. Interesting that he states date of manufacture not vehicle registration date , wonder if that is correct. Also of interest, if they introduce road charging that will probably capture classic vehicles. So one system for all vehicles, probably based on how "green" your car is.
Maybe it meant the rolling April date may be dropped, so once a car is 40yrs old it will then be taxed exempt regardless of which month it's registered?
So is there going to be a rolling exemption to the historic tax or a cut - off point at some stage ,where it will remain fixed ?. All a bit wishy ,washy which will leave things a bit up in the air - don"t you think ?. Because if true about it becoming abolished completely it would mean me selling a couple of vehicles and just keep the cheapest my 1975 P6 Rover .The value of any old vehicle would plummet and we would have to be aware of that ?. Keep - up the good work .
Back in 1995, my first car was a 1976 mk3 Cortina. Back then, the tax exemption rule was anything over 25 years old. Annoyingly, in 1997, they put a stop to the rolling exemption, so exemption stopped vehicles registered at some point 1972, I think before April 72 from memory. So I got screwed the first time around! Now, fast forward many years and I have a car from 1977 which is exempt of course. I couldn’t apply for exemption until the April of 2018 as you say, it goes from the April of the following year. I also have a car which has just recently turned 39 years old and will be eligible for tax/mot exemption in April 2026, so I REALLY REALLY hope they don’t screw me over again and stop it!!!!! I Love the idea of it being reduced to 30 years though, but I can’t see that happening!
It's probably the office keeping themselves safe by advising that the government has the power to change the rules at will, not so much a nod that it will happen. Similar that flight safety instructions aren't a promise that the plane is going to crash. Now, I'd still be one of the first in line to not trust the government but I think in this case we're just reading too much into it. Would wait for a lot more information to show it's head before worrying about this.
Because every year the budget headlines are all you hear about, hundreds of other changes go through all the time and taxation rules can change every year and it’s not saying it will end in April it’s just an exemption that was last extended (by not being cancelled) last April was like all current rules updated for one financial year I.e. 6th April to 5th April. Any rule currently existing can change so all the response was saying was the rules for the classification may or may not still be in place when that car reaches 40, nor does it say the current exemptions will be rescinded so impact on current classic cars is a separate mutually exclusive rule
Sanj/Sam get a clue mate. It's a rolling exemption - most cars will be able to register for historic when they're actually 41 years old. This has always been the way the rolling exemption works - it's just been badly explained (not that badly, actually) by the DVLA. It's all completely normal.
Plc private light goods well goods are carried by vehicles which is commercial not private so you unwittingly registered your private conveyance as a commercial motor vehicle
My Mercedes is a import. The dvla use the first registered in the uk date for historic status. They will only use the build date of the car with a statement from the manufacturer, for which Mercedes charge several hundred pounds. Its cheaper just to pay ved for another year.
I have three of my classics taxed on exemption but haven't taken them on the road for a long time. They are road legal and running so if they want to charge me they will just bcome untaxed/sorn and they will stay in the barn!
I wouldn't worry about what "James" says. The fiscal year runs from 6th April to 5th April the following year for most taxes and from 1st April to 31st April for some taxes. That's probably what James has in mind.
I own a 2cyl.505cc. Fuel Injected car .it is under 350kg. Has a catalytic converter, emissions are 115mg.per.kilometer. The road tax is higher than most larger cars,at £180 per year. The government Cons people who have any vehicles on a m/cycle licence.
Sorry Brown Car Guy, I think you're wrong on this one. Like you, I have a BMW 3 series E30 body shape, but mine is 1986 so I'm a bit nearer the tax free status than your car. My reading of the DVLA guy's letter is not the same as yours. Basically he was pointing out that the tax free status was decided by a chancellor, - ie a politician and came into force, understandably at the beginning of the tax year in April, as a consequence of which, your car would have been 40 years old plus the difference (of a few months) since it actually reached that age. Otherwise there would be cars having exemptions starting all over the tax year which would be a nightmare to administer. This way they all happen in April when they can be dealt with much more easily. The guy's final remark is true, but I don't think you should read too much into it. Any chancellor has the ability to vary all sorts of taxes in the budget and at other times, - that's why he's the chancellor. Jeremy Hunt could decide, in his infinite political wisdom, to remove the 40 year exemption at any time, replace it with 50 years or reduce it to 30 years as he sees fit. I'm inclined to think in the absence of political pressure or other factors he's most likely to leave well alone, unless there are compelling reasons otherwise.
A Classic Car "used" to be any car that was 20 years old, back before the introduction by the Governments version of 25 years old, which they then changed to 40 years old, cars made in the 1970's in general were scrapped by the time they were 13 years old at most, but as vehicle anti rust treatment got better, they lasted longer, so the government changed the rules, to prevent more vehicles making it to the point that they could apply for it, remember they like to screw as much money out of you as they can, to pay for the excessive waist of money they spend on themselves, running departments the public don;t want, and any stupid ideas they have, like the 20 MPH, or Ulez zones and any other crack pot rubbish, and the best bit is they know that most of the public will just vote in the same 3 main parties over and over again, to keep the corrupt system running, and you all do.
Hi brown car guy my lorry is 40 years old February next year so should I be applying for a Historic vehicle now to gain the TAX and MOT exemption ready for this to apply in February as this is before April 2024 all a bit confusing?
@johnelliott Under current rules, I think that unfortunately you'll have to wait another year for historic status. That's assuming your lorry isn't still being used for commercial purposes. If it is, I don't think it will qualify.
@@buzzlightswitch just private use and has been stored in a barn since 2008 and requires some restoration work, but guess it’s worth enquiring with DVLA. Thanks
In Ireland, cars get vintage status at thirty years old. Next year, cars from 1994 can be road taxed for 56 euros. Cars over forty years are exempt from road worthy tests. Hope our government leaves well enough alone.
Its not the first of April, its the first of January ............ my motorbike was 40 years old in the August but I couldn't register it until Jan the following year. So this email from the DVLA is completely wrong so I wouldn't worry too much about it. Its not the first time that they make mistakes
I had a brown car once. It was a Rover 2600. Nice. Anyhow, too many MPs own classic cars for the exemption to be scrapped, and there aren't enough 40-plus cars for anyone to worry about it from an ecological point of view.
The classic car industry is booming at the moment and the revenue the government get from it is probably huge. Would be extremely short sighted of them to jeopardize the industry.... But then they're not known for looking ahead! Also the percentage of classics to modern cars is very small and most of us run on limited mileage insurance so the collective emissions are tiny.
The ambiguity in that statement is very telling. It could be that he scraps the exemption all to together and classic vehicles again have to pay tax. Or it could be that as soon as the vehicles registration achieves 40 years old it becomes exempt, regardless of the month of year! What ever it is that is a poorly constructed sentence for a civil servant, unless it is designed to confuse, so it gives them wiggle room to collect more tax!
It's not just to get more tax revenues, it's also to do with this net zero cr@p as classic cars won't meet the ever strict emissions and to get more vehicles off the road.
It will if Labour get in. They cancelled the rolling exemption in 1997 when it was a rolling 25 years. 15 years later, the Tories got in and reinstated it but now it is 40 years. Labours fault. If Labour get in, they will either peg it at 40 years or cancel it altogether. If Tories get back in after another tem of Labour, you could see the exemption cut off as 46 years / 52 years or however long Labour stay in. One thing is certain. Labour will cancel it.
Hopefully the chancellor won`t stop exemption especially if the PM likes cars. It would be nice if they brought the classic car age down to 30 years, my Midas would then be exempt 🙂but I doubt they will do that as they would lose quite a bit on taxes. Happy classic motoring.
No the world is against pollution and for clean air. So scrapping a 10 or 12 year old diesel and getting paid to do so, in order to buy a 30 year old even more polluting "classic "! diesel just to avoid OLEZ is against the spirit. An old car of mine a Volvo 960 GLE Turbo diesel that I purchased from a GP in 1997 is still running as taxi and would be OLEZ exempt - but this is not the intention.
My car tax has jumped up to £280 pounds and my mate has a land rover for work that's gone up to £750 pounds why when we are all in a cost of living crisis 😢
My Twin turbo v8 diesel ramge rover is 730 a year .. but no other car comes close to power and toque pulling my closed car trailer , but the comfort so it’s worth it to me ..
A 2021 survey conducted by the Federation of British Historic Vehicle Clubs (FBHVC) found there were 1,538,927 'historic' vehicles registered on the UK's roads compared with 1,039,950 in 2015. Additionally, total spending in the historic vehicle sector equated to £7.2 billion in 2021, up from £5.5 billion in 2016. The Conservatives want to remember just how much we contribute to the UK economy before he taxes us.
Well he can because it is a budget. The budget remember is an annual event when taxation is renewed. Income tax is an annual event which is renewed each year as per Peel’s budget in the 1800’s. I was taught that at school in the 1960’s. Tax is a temporary financial medium of the government that is renewed every year hence the budget. This means rates may be altered up and down or introduced or exempted. The joy of British life that seems no longer to be explained to the public. With the current difficulties as to the prolonging of hydrocarbon vehicles and the desire of government for road users to change to EV the sudden rush for classic cars and reduction in taxation and MoT status will cause a reaction. If none of you have spotted this it is disappointing. It is not the fault of the enthusiasts but of the cheap skates. I suggest that MoT inspection will possibly be reintroduced and taxation may be as well because cheap skates will not do what is required and people will be injured and possibly killed. The insurance companies will not like that and nor will the Ministry of Transport nor will the families affected. I suggest that the movement requires that beneficiaries of this government generosity, because it is by all parties to date, be genuine members of appropriate car clubs not something hurriedly put together in the next few months. This will give the movement mot regulating power and interface with government which can benefit both. Additional to this the movement could require that electrical conversion of historic vehicles should be exempted from it. This should be so because they were not designed for the alteration in design parameters of electric locomotion and there seems limited designed criteria they have to comply with. E.G. if you have an Austin Seven Ruby what stress can the wheels take with an electric motor that could drive it at say 65 mph and how would you provide successful emergency braking that would be under control. To achieve any part of this would remove any authenticity bar the shape of the body. It would no longer be an historic vehicle. This must be tackled now or you will lose the advantages, for they are not rights, you have obtained over the years. Do not think you have time to think about this or come up with fancy arguments you have to advance now with immediate dialogue. If you do not you will stand there as a bunch of hand wringers and your enthusiasm and expensive investment will be trailer born to car shows which is not what this historical movement which I have been part of all my life until I can no longer climb off the garage floor but only type on this keyboard. Do not let this opportunity pass by.
paid for tax and mot years ago i don't mind playing it again cheap at half the price to keep old Mercury still rolling. worth every penny,i would still prefer to drive around in an old Cortina than a new boring squares Tesla
The classic car industry must generate billions, and also nurtures real talent, not imbeciles pressing buttons, thats a lot to lose in tax and jobs, and skillsets !
I wouldn't put any importance into anything a single person from DVLA has said. They guy sitting next to "James" would have said something completely different. The left hand literally does not know what the right is doing. It's pot luck who you get to open your email or letter. Their online services for issuing new V5s is excellent, and that's the way it's going. For personal service though they are shocking.
The more the government tries to make us hate and eventually abandon cars, the more I hate government.
Governments do things for the people, this bunch are doing it to the people
I take my hat off to anyone who keeps a classic car on the road. Emotionally, you will never believe how much pleasure I get from just seeing one of these vehicles on the road. Cars that were a significant part of my formative years. I wish I could afford to have one. I look forward to the warmer months when these cars are taken on the road. Museums are great but I like to see the cars on the road where they belong. I would be happy to see the end of government but I never want to see the end of the cars that make up our shared past and heritage. So much of our past is being erased. it is like we are being deleted, one piece at a time. Can we come together to stop this criminal move. I love anything that symbolises the progress of our culture and our industrial development. It didn't all start with the apple phone you know. We were a great nation, once upon a time.
I wouldn't put anything past hunt, he's out to screw us for more tax in any possible way.
It's not just about wanting more tax but the fact with EVs, motorists are paying less tax to the government, and the government needs that money. The next 5 years will see a heavy shift in the way we are going to be taxed. Pay per Mile, pay per day, motorway fees, up the fuel duty on petrol and diesel.... You name it they'll be looking at it.
Now known as the party of high taxation. Come next year they will still expect people to have faith in them.
It rhymes with Hunt
What will happen to EVs is you will be charged fuel duty and VAT at 20% on every KWH used to charge the car instead of the 5% VAT charged on domestic electricity. Even 5% is a travesty when you consider VAT was originally called “Purchase Tax” levied on “Luxury Items” since when was electricity and gas considered a luxury?
C'Unt has screwed us over before, and he did it with a smug face. He doesn't work for us- but for the WEF!
We had a nice rolling exemption of 25 years - scrapped by Gordon Brown in 1997 and eventually reintroduced as a 40 year exemption in 2014. It's supposed to be for Historical and Heritage reasons.
If Labour gets in they'll probably scrap it again - they don't want you driving cars at all.
Though to be fair, I don't think any parties want you driving cars - but they still want the tax somehow.
Air.....air they'll tax the air we breathe
And here we go again with "they don't want us driving anywhere" who invented this idea? If we didn't drive the whole countries economy would crash unless there is an alternative to driving that I'm unaware of?
@@st200olso long as commercial vehicles were free to go about their business, the economy would not be as badly affected as it was during lockdowns, for example.
What evidence do you see for this idea being untrue? Beyond common sense that is.
@@dungareesareforfoolsI need to drive to work, around 40 miles each way, as do a lot of people and I pay a MASSIVE AMOUNT of tax and I mean a MASSIVE AMOUNT of income tax, if I told you how much it would make your eyes water. If the Government stopped me and many like me driving to work they would lose billions of pounds of tax revenue. How else could I get to work if I couldn't drive? Public transport would involve two bus rides and three separate trains, each way.
There is no way any government wants people like me, joe public, to give up their cars.
100% should have been left at 25 years rolling
However much you hate the government, its not enough.
what is not enough?
Yes, but Labour will be worse
It's not a government if it cannot govern. At least the governor on a stationary lister engine keeps balance over its affairs.
I don't think the DVLA guy meant that the rolling exemption would be stopped, I'm pretty sure that he isn't privy to any advance information, simply that if any changes were to be made, that it would take place in an April budget.
That was my take too.
I hope so too. I'm currently getting my Beetle road worthy simply to avoid paying the Ulez.
Theres more poor people with classics than rich ! Real enthusiasts , LEAVE CLASSIC CARS ALONE
to true
Just when you think it couldn’t get any worse ! 😠 yeh 30 years would be great 👍🙏🏻❤️
This is a pension for old bikes /cars after their contributions for the roads.
V.E.D is purely and simply a Property tax.
A highly convenient and lucrative MULTI BILLION POUND Annual racket.
Road tax ( a specific tax for the upkeep of roads was abolished in the UK in 1937! and we've never has a specifically ACCOUNTABLE tax for the roads since!!! ( apparently according to the GOV, our lovely liars , I meant leaders )
These taxes aren’t about money as such, it’s all about control via imposing wage slavery - the feudal serf system never went away it simply got rebranded
Yes I agree , you've hit the nail on the head with that one!@@fenlander7114
My 1982 Rolls-Royce Silver Spirit turned 40 in October last year. Fortunately, whilst doing some research into how to apply for historic status, I uncovered the fact that the DVLA operate in tax years. I actually phoned them and a nice lady explained the practice to me. The MOT was due in March 2023, so I still had to get that done and I chose to tax the Roller rather than sorn it for a month. Then i went to my post office to apply. I then cancelled the road tax direct debit after I'd received my new V5.
This 'exemption' could be removed at the government's whim at any point.
When I applied for my exception on my 1980 classic car a few years back I could not get it processed at 40 years of age, it was nearly 41 years old when they finally allowed it to be processed. I think the DVLA work it into the tax year, so if it was registered before April 1st then it could be processed, if it was registered after April 1st which mine was then you have to wait another year. The trouble is that this is not explained when you are first applying for your exception and the Post Office did not know either.
Not quite. Any car registered/built after 1 January must wait until April of the next year to get the tax refund.
@@LesterLovesWatches Thanks for that, it was a few years ago now. 👍
The tax exemption goes on the build date I had a 79 reg car but was built in nov 78 applied for exemption with proof of the build date which was on the vin tag and all came straight back no problems
Mercedes charges so much to verify the build date that it was cheaper to just pay the ved for another year for my imported car.
@@LesterLovesWatches I've just had to tax my 1983 bike, I asked the lady for the V112 form because I know that I can apply for it early next year due to my build/registration date, I also asked if I'd get a part refund on the years tax I've just paid. She said that they won't do anything until November next year when this tax expires, she was reluctant to give me that V112 form now because it will probably change.
I dunno, does she know what she's talking about??
Maybe people are opting more older vehicles to avoid ULEZ charges and any other charges that could apply depending on your local council.
I belive that they stopped the rolling exemption once before & then reintroduce it at a later date. Hopefully if this happens again it won't affect the existing vehicles.
It was scrapped when Labour got in but bought back when the Tories came back
@@nickb5391yes.and as you know it was 25 year exempt before it was stopped under labour.
Was then known as classic rather than historic. My then camper missed the frozen date.
I don't trust any of these politicians. I remember when " 2 Jags" John Prescot changed the rules for tax ememption of classic cars from 25 years to 40 years. It would be really nice for me if they reduced it to 30 years, but sadly in the UK, everyone sees cars as a pawn that can be used to screw the motorists in one way or another.
Surely not the same John Prescot who’s praised as some sort of working class hero? 🤣
Yes Mate ,the same one that chinned some bloke 😅@@crustythewanksock2413
This is a standard letter which I also received 2 years ago. Its just covering their backs as any form of taxation can change at any time on a chancellors whim at budget time.
Removal of the tax exception is the first step to banning them (the retoric being emmissions)
There are far too many influential people in positions of power that see this won't happen. The Vintage and Veteran brigade cannot be treated any differently to 40+ years. Added to the fact it's just not a money saver for the government. And it's the money that counts, not the emissions.
You do know they have a team of highly paid hamster's sat in a room thinking up ways to change things around just to get more money out of the public and into their coffers, or so it seems....
Hamsters?? More like rats.
I like the idea of the 30 year rule for historical status. My viva is 50 years old, but my daily is a 1991 Audi 100. Bearing in mind that historical status also is ulez exempt..🤞🤞
And you could have identified an issue where the govt needs to review. 30 year old cars are comparatively very polluting. So if people claim "scrappage" on their 10 year old diesels just to buy 31 year old diesels then it is self defeating
got audi 200 turbo quattro avant 1986 like the 100 to
@kevinclark2856 Nice motor. Ideally, I'd have loved a 200 turbo, but I didn't have that kind of money. Saying that, I'm happy with the 100.
In Australia historic vehicle registration/status is 30 years and your bmw and other modern classics from mid to late 80s and early 90s would already be eligible for historic rego in Australia or other countries.
That 40 year historic vehicle status is unfair and ridiculous!
iirc it was labour that removed the original ved exemption which used to be around 25 years old i think, it was stopped at january 1973 iirc, the tories reintroduced it by starting the annual roll again from where it was stuck. However it doesn't mean they won't remove it or just stop the roll on
Yes this is what happened . The Jan 1973 date would also tie in with the law which said only pre 1973 cars could use black and white/silver number plates . As you say the 40 year old legislation came in later and they were allowed to use black and silver plates . It is possible that future changes could suspend the rolling programme , but , I doubt that they would take it away from vehicles that are already classed as historic . But you never know with the government .
New Labour was very anti car, if only we'd seen through them and kicked them out in 2001. Imagine how many Iraqis and coalition troops would still be alive.
@@ChrisPatrick-q6k Well huge numbers of Iraqis/Kuwaitis would have been tortured to death. Coalition casualties were minimal. Maybe you are someone who enjoys drilling through peoples knees with large hammer drills, an Iraqi predilection. Either way not relevant to classic cars.
The way i read it was he would stop the rolling exemption so anything already exempt it would not apply to & he will just cap it from rolling over every year
Be very careful if you complain to the chancellor or his office, he will use police action to frighten and scare you as he did with me as he didn’t like what I said. Sad times we live in 😢
Of course they’ll withdraw that tax exemption.I’m sure they’ve heard about Klaus Schwab’s disapproval of it.
Of the vehicles in the historic vehicle category how many can be re taxed in another free category e.g my steam roller is tax as historic but steam vehicle is also free.
Of course they could change it at any point.... They already have on previous occasions.
Tax exemption use to be for any vehicle over 25 years old.
Then they changed it to any vehicle pre-1973.
Then they moved it to any vehicle over 40 years old.
They'll swap and change it to what ever brings them in the most money/votes.
This could simply be a knee jerk reaction to the amount of people buying up classics, which are ULEZ exempt to use as daily drivers in clean air zones, which not in the spirit of the rolling exemption and the tax & MOT free historic class. Where originally the argument was that people using cars occasionally for shows, meets, rallies etc meant it was unfair for cars that were hardly used to pay the full rate of road tax.
It would probably mean a freeze on the rolling exemption. They've done it before. It used to be a rolling 25yr exemption. Labour got in to power and froze it so no more cars were made exempt, but those that were stayed exempt...pre 1April 973 I think it was. Then it got reinstated as a rolling exemption again.
1st april sounds like a joke, but its no joke. Hands of our cars gov
Our Tax year is April 6th to April 5th.
Each year, the budget has changes in Taxation, so the line 'could be changed' is a standard statement as it refers to the fact that Tax rates can be changed at each budget.
The Government would have to employ thousands of civil servants to administer which is why they did away with charging plus a great classic car industry was created producing VAT and that's over 6 billion a year.Think.
All possibilities are on the table with Jeremy Hunt. Pensioners are now paying tax because he slyly froze the base rate for tax. I would not put anything past this guy.
It is amazing isn't it that most countries do not demand a compulsory tax to drive a vehicle on the roads? An MOT certificate or Certificate of Fitness should be evidence enough your vehicle is safe and complies with legislation. Why should millions of hard working people be forced to pay to drive a vehicle on the roads?
The VED is part of general taxation and has been since 1936 so what is the justification for another compulsory tax?
I am presently trying to get a Sorned 1982 motorcycle changed to historic status, followed the DVLA/DVSA instructions, took all the paperwork to the P.O as required, waited 6 weeks for the V5c to come back and they didn’t change the status. Contacted the DVSA to be told I actually needed to tax the bike first, pay for it and then I will be refunded once the status is changed to historic. It does sound like there’s another government U turn coming up and no doubt it will then need an MOT too which it is presently exempt from.
I wouldn't read too much into that, it's always been the case that it could be frozen. As someone else pointed out, the last Labour government did that and it was subsequently reinstated.
I think it could mean the rolling exemption on the 1 April each year could be stop, to stop the confusion and instead it get classic status on the cars 40th birthday,
If it was moved to 30 years historical status, I would buy another car in that 30-40 year age bracket.
I hope not! I’ve got 6 Classic Motorcycles that are Historic Status.
i have 7 old hondas it dont bear thinking about !!
@@diggermans7 - no. It will be very bad.
its not curious at all. The historic vehicle has stopped and started before
Sounds a bit like this country is knackard let’s all claim benefits and sit on our back sides !
It is white for the crash I think it’s coming and thinks some of the High Street banks will go under
The queue for benefits is for illegals so you have to keep paying taxes …
Years ago it was a 25 rolling exemption, if I remember correctly the Blair government changed it to pre 1975 fixed date.
This video is old now, tories have been kicked out now, any updates so far?
I just bought a 1894 w123 230ce but it was registered 1st may 1984, so I'll have to wait until April 2025, 🤦🏽♂️I always wanted a w123 coupe, had several saloons back in 2014
In most USA states, we have a 25 year 'Classic' status for motor vehicles. They can get 'antique' plates, be exempt from pollution and safety inspections where have them, possible lower registration fees and 'car taxes' (some states have an annual car tax on the value of the vehicle, including Nevada).
Agree with a couple of the other comments, "James" from DVLA who sent the mail is just stating that the exemption applies from the following April of when the vehicle turns 40 yrs old not from the immediate date it turns 40. He is simply saying that the April budget is when changes are made to taxes, duties, vehicle excise duties etc, so any changes in that budget regarding the classic vehicle exemption following the car turning 40 would apply as it would also apply to any other vehicle where the road tax was changed. Think the author of the email could have worded or explained better. Interesting that he states date of manufacture not vehicle registration date , wonder if that is correct.
Also of interest, if they introduce road charging that will probably capture classic vehicles. So one system for all vehicles, probably based on how "green" your car is.
Maybe it meant the rolling April date may be dropped, so once a car is 40yrs old it will then be taxed exempt regardless of which month it's registered?
So is there going to be a rolling exemption to the historic tax or a cut - off point at some stage ,where it will remain fixed ?. All a bit wishy ,washy which will leave things a bit up in the air - don"t you think ?. Because if true about it becoming abolished completely it would mean me selling a
couple of vehicles and just keep the cheapest my 1975 P6 Rover .The value of any old vehicle would plummet and we would have to be aware of that ?. Keep - up the good work .
Back in 1995, my first car was a 1976 mk3 Cortina.
Back then, the tax exemption rule was anything over 25 years old.
Annoyingly, in 1997, they put a stop to the rolling exemption, so exemption stopped vehicles registered at some point 1972, I think before April 72 from memory. So I got screwed the first time around!
Now, fast forward many years and I have a car from 1977 which is exempt of course. I couldn’t apply for exemption until the April of 2018 as you say, it goes from the April of the following year.
I also have a car which has just recently turned 39 years old and will be eligible for tax/mot exemption in April 2026, so I REALLY REALLY hope they don’t screw me over again and stop it!!!!!
I Love the idea of it being reduced to 30 years though, but I can’t see that happening!
Too many rich people own classics in this country , nothing will change about classic vehicles , I hope….
That's why there's no capital gains to tax on the sale of classics.
It's probably the office keeping themselves safe by advising that the government has the power to change the rules at will, not so much a nod that it will happen. Similar that flight safety instructions aren't a promise that the plane is going to crash. Now, I'd still be one of the first in line to not trust the government but I think in this case we're just reading too much into it. Would wait for a lot more information to show it's head before worrying about this.
Personally, I think it should be 50 years if not more. I don't recall any car 30 years old that justifies historical and heritage status...
McLaren F1?
Jaguar XJ220?
The last original Mini?
Yeah. Ok.
Great link with Big Ben chiming....What a Pro.🙂
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OMG they've found another gift to themselves to make even MORE out of the British motoring public, who would have thought?
Because every year the budget headlines are all you hear about, hundreds of other changes go through all the time and taxation rules can change every year and it’s not saying it will end in April it’s just an exemption that was last extended (by not being cancelled) last April was like all current rules updated for one financial year I.e. 6th April to 5th April. Any rule currently existing can change so all the response was saying was the rules for the classification may or may not still be in place when that car reaches 40, nor does it say the current exemptions will be rescinded so impact on current classic cars is a separate mutually exclusive rule
Sanj/Sam get a clue mate. It's a rolling exemption - most cars will be able to register for historic when they're actually 41 years old. This has always been the way the rolling exemption works - it's just been badly explained (not that badly, actually) by the DVLA. It's all completely normal.
Yea why not tax the 0.01% of cars that only come out once a year & get to cover a whole 3 miles being driven to the MOT test centre and back again.
They don't go for an MOT as they are exempt!
It would certainly make sense, as anytime I get near a goal post, they move it.
Why? Crazy when they should be focusing on so much more.
Plc private light goods well goods are carried by vehicles which is commercial not private so you unwittingly registered your private conveyance as a commercial motor vehicle
It could be, as these letters are form letters manufacturer by higher ups in government. Not written by the person who's name is on them.
My Mercedes is a import. The dvla use the first registered in the uk date for historic status. They will only use the build date of the car with a statement from the manufacturer, for which Mercedes charge several hundred pounds. Its cheaper just to pay ved for another year.
I have three of my classics taxed on exemption but haven't taken them on the road for a long time. They are road legal and running so if they want to charge me they will just bcome untaxed/sorn and they will stay in the barn!
I wouldn't worry about what "James" says.
The fiscal year runs from 6th April to 5th April the following year for most taxes and from 1st April to 31st April for some taxes. That's probably what James has in mind.
I own a 2cyl.505cc. Fuel Injected car .it is under 350kg. Has a catalytic converter, emissions are 115mg.per.kilometer.
The road tax is higher than most larger cars,at £180 per year.
The government Cons people who have any vehicles on a m/cycle licence.
I think it became 40 years as it just carried on from the exempt year when Labour stopped it in 1997?
Sorry Brown Car Guy, I think you're wrong on this one. Like you, I have a BMW 3 series E30 body shape, but mine is 1986 so I'm a bit nearer the tax free status than your car. My reading of the DVLA guy's letter is not the same as yours. Basically he was pointing out that the tax free status was decided by a chancellor, - ie a politician and came into force, understandably at the beginning of the tax year in April, as a consequence of which, your car would have been 40 years old plus the difference (of a few months) since it actually reached that age. Otherwise there would be cars having exemptions starting all over the tax year which would be a nightmare to administer. This way they all happen in April when they can be dealt with much more easily. The guy's final remark is true, but I don't think you should read too much into it. Any chancellor has the ability to vary all sorts of taxes in the budget and at other times, - that's why he's the chancellor. Jeremy Hunt could decide, in his infinite political wisdom, to remove the 40 year exemption at any time, replace it with 50 years or reduce it to 30 years as he sees fit. I'm inclined to think in the absence of political pressure or other factors he's most likely to leave well alone, unless there are compelling reasons otherwise.
A Classic Car "used" to be any car that was 20 years old, back before the introduction by the Governments version of 25 years old, which they then changed to 40 years old, cars made in the 1970's in general were scrapped by the time they were 13 years old at most, but as vehicle anti rust treatment got better, they lasted longer, so the government changed the rules, to prevent more vehicles making it to the point that they could apply for it, remember they like to screw as much money out of you as they can, to pay for the excessive waist of money they spend on themselves, running departments the public don;t want, and any stupid ideas they have, like the 20 MPH, or Ulez zones and any other crack pot rubbish, and the best bit is they know that most of the public will just vote in the same 3 main parties over and over again, to keep the corrupt system running, and you all do.
Did anything ever come of this ? Was any mention ever made.
Why in the letter put the example from 2025not 23or24 what are they planning?
Planning something underhanded again I bet ,he will hit the classic car owners now
Hi brown car guy my lorry is 40 years old February next year so should I be applying for a Historic vehicle now to gain the TAX and MOT exemption ready for this to apply in February as this is before April 2024 all a bit confusing?
www.gov.uk/historic-vehicles
@johnelliott
Under current rules, I think that unfortunately you'll have to wait another year for historic status. That's assuming your lorry isn't still being used for commercial purposes. If it is, I don't think it will qualify.
@@buzzlightswitch just private use and has been stored in a barn since 2008 and requires some restoration work, but guess it’s worth enquiring with DVLA. Thanks
In Ireland, cars get vintage status at thirty years old. Next year, cars from 1994 can be road taxed for 56 euros. Cars over forty years are exempt from road worthy tests. Hope our government leaves well enough alone.
Its not the first of April, its the first of January ............ my motorbike was 40 years old in the August but I couldn't register it until Jan the following year. So this email from the DVLA is completely wrong so I wouldn't worry too much about it. Its not the first time that they make mistakes
I had a brown car once. It was a Rover 2600. Nice. Anyhow, too many MPs own classic cars for the exemption to be scrapped, and there aren't enough 40-plus cars for anyone to worry about it from an ecological point of view.
I own a bmw e36 320i coupe 1993 I only do a thousand miles a year you would think a 30 year old car would be classed as a classic .
One has to remember, if there is a “loop hole” (as seen by the inland revenue) it will most likely to be closed at sometime.
The classic car industry is booming at the moment and the revenue the government get from it is probably huge. Would be extremely short sighted of them to jeopardize the industry.... But then they're not known for looking ahead! Also the percentage of classics to modern cars is very small and most of us run on limited mileage insurance so the collective emissions are tiny.
well of course he 'could' - future legislation 'could' change anything - that's how future legislation works
The ambiguity in that statement is very telling. It could be that he scraps the exemption all to together and classic vehicles again have to pay tax. Or it could be that as soon as the vehicles registration achieves 40 years old it becomes exempt, regardless of the month of year! What ever it is that is a poorly constructed sentence for a civil servant, unless it is designed to confuse, so it gives them wiggle room to collect more tax!
It's not just to get more tax revenues, it's also to do with this net zero cr@p as classic cars won't meet the ever strict emissions and to get more vehicles off the road.
It will if Labour get in.
They cancelled the rolling exemption in 1997 when it was a rolling 25 years.
15 years later, the Tories got in and reinstated it but now it is 40 years.
Labours fault.
If Labour get in, they will either peg it at 40 years or cancel it altogether.
If Tories get back in after another tem of Labour, you could see the exemption cut off as 46 years / 52 years or however long Labour stay in.
One thing is certain. Labour will cancel it.
wouldn't put it past hunt although pretty sure labour won't have missed the idea of this "opportunity" to cane any driver
they want to rub our noses in it too.
Classic cars are a british institutions with a massive following I'm glad to say .
About 2 million classic vehicles in the UK? Probably a million lost votes???
There are many who believe that no post WW2 vehicle should be eligible for excise licence exemption.
Hopefully the chancellor won`t stop exemption especially if the PM likes cars. It would be nice if they brought the classic car age down to 30 years, my Midas would then be exempt 🙂but I doubt they will do that as they would lose quite a bit on taxes. Happy classic motoring.
No the world is against pollution and for clean air. So scrapping a 10 or 12 year old diesel and getting paid to do so, in order to buy a 30 year old even more polluting "classic "! diesel just to avoid OLEZ is against the spirit.
An old car of mine a Volvo 960 GLE Turbo diesel that I purchased from a GP in 1997 is still running as taxi and would be OLEZ exempt - but this is not the intention.
Interesting to see how a 2013 Tesla will be holding up in 2053. Lots of claims they are so well made 😂
Probably won't be holding any charge. You'll need one hell of an electric cable to use it
@@gbhxu Not at all.
The plan to replace batteries with a tank full of electric eels is going to be made available next year or the year after.
My car tax has jumped up to £280 pounds and my mate has a land rover for work that's gone up to £750 pounds why when we are all in a cost of living crisis 😢
I don't my mate does I know its what he's told me that's what he pays crazy
Of course, work harder wage slave!
My Twin turbo v8 diesel ramge rover is 730 a year .. but no other car comes close to power and toque pulling my closed car trailer , but the comfort so it’s worth it to me ..
Them range rovers are fantastic all round cars I love them maybe one day for me .
A 2021 survey conducted by the Federation of British Historic Vehicle Clubs (FBHVC) found there were 1,538,927 'historic' vehicles registered on the UK's roads compared with 1,039,950 in 2015. Additionally, total spending in the historic vehicle sector equated to £7.2 billion in 2021, up from £5.5 billion in 2016. The Conservatives want to remember just how much we contribute to the UK economy before he taxes us.
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The fact that the then chancellor introduced the exemption on 1st April should be enough of a clue!
Well he can because it is a budget. The budget remember is an annual event when taxation is renewed. Income tax is an annual event which is renewed each year as per Peel’s budget in the 1800’s. I was taught that at school in the 1960’s. Tax is a temporary financial medium of the government that is renewed every year hence the budget. This means rates may be altered up and down or introduced or exempted. The joy of British life that seems no longer to be explained to the public.
With the current difficulties as to the prolonging of hydrocarbon vehicles and the desire of government for road users to change to EV the sudden rush for classic cars and reduction in taxation and MoT status will cause a reaction. If none of you have spotted this it is disappointing. It is not the fault of the enthusiasts but of the cheap skates.
I suggest that MoT inspection will possibly be reintroduced and taxation may be as well because cheap skates will not do what is required and people will be injured and possibly killed. The insurance companies will not like that and nor will the Ministry of Transport nor will the families affected.
I suggest that the movement requires that beneficiaries of this government generosity, because it is by all parties to date, be genuine members of appropriate car clubs not something hurriedly put together in the next few months. This will give the movement mot regulating power and interface with government which can benefit both.
Additional to this the movement could require that electrical conversion of historic vehicles should be exempted from it. This should be so because they were not designed for the alteration in design parameters of electric locomotion and there seems limited designed criteria they have to comply with. E.G. if you have an Austin Seven Ruby what stress can the wheels take with an electric motor that could drive it at say 65 mph and how would you provide successful emergency braking that would be under control. To achieve any part of this would remove any authenticity bar the shape of the body. It would no longer be an historic vehicle. This must be tackled now or you will lose the advantages, for they are not rights, you have obtained over the years. Do not think you have time to think about this or come up with fancy arguments you have to advance now with immediate dialogue. If you do not you will stand there as a bunch of hand wringers and your enthusiasm and expensive investment will be trailer born to car shows which is not what this historical movement which I have been part of all my life until I can no longer climb off the garage floor but only type on this keyboard. Do not let this opportunity pass by.
paid for tax and mot years ago i don't mind playing it again cheap at half the price to keep old Mercury still rolling. worth every penny,i would still prefer to drive around in an old Cortina than a new boring squares Tesla
I wouldn't put anything passed Labour.
There is nothing to say he will maybe they are just covering the back if he chooses to do anything. But who knows.
The classic car industry must generate billions, and also nurtures real talent, not imbeciles pressing buttons, thats a lot to lose in tax and jobs, and skillsets !
I wouldn't put any importance into anything a single person from DVLA has said. They guy sitting next to "James" would have said something completely different. The left hand literally does not know what the right is doing. It's pot luck who you get to open your email or letter. Their online services for issuing new V5s is excellent, and that's the way it's going. For personal service though they are shocking.
Shocking behaviour it would b by the chancellor
They have said they want older cars off the road
Great right before both of my classics turn 40.
Export your car to albainia, register it there and bring it back with Albanian number plates, lol