Vasileios he’s doing combos with the gameplay so they’re being recorded at the same time. Probably just him using StreamLabs as a reference like how TV weather people know where to point on the map. Maybe that’s what you were implying but I figured that was the case. It’s still cool to see, I wish more creators did it.
Nina and Lee's wall travel is sadly not rewarding now especially with the technicality. I wish they can regain their identity back as the king and queen of wall travel
Honestly. I know that they can't really go back to the old system, but giving them their old speciality back would just be good for the entire cast, balance wise.
@@gammadopplercs2 if you see at the bottom the screen when you are on the selection screen, you will see a button that says customized slots, you press that button on Nina and it will appear other costumes
@@Guitar-Dog well yea but the main question people have is "I landed the first butterfly, the second came out but whiffed even though it looked like it should connect what am I doing wrong?" QCF input is too slow
I've said it before, Nina has the hardest carry tool in her butterfly. Lee? Once you get b+2 down, its pretty simple to do consistently. This IS ALWAYS hard lmfao
I agree with you 100%. Nina’s iws1s are easily one of hardest execution tools to master. I find Julia’s max damage wall carry, and Lee’s b2 loops far more easier to do.
@@fartmaster--po4ti im no pro player, but im going to say yes. Paul's qcf+1 is the same kinda thing as Anna's qcf+1. Its more of a quick input rather than a precise input
I recently gave Julia a try and holy shit, she has soooo many combo routes. Even if they nerf her wall travel and damge in Season 4 / Tekken 8, as long as she gets to keep her combo freedom I would still love to play her.
actually, if you practice the qcf u/f then you also practice elizas animation canceled qcb u/b 3 (or 4) at the same time, if you happen to pick that character up in the future.
Glad I’m not the only one who recognizes Bruce wall carry. His wall carry and damage was Tekken 7 Julia’s in steroids, with his wall carry piss easy to do with 3,2f~1 loops. On top of that his wall ender of f3,1 into db2,1,4 did insane amount of damage.
This is why Nina is considered a hard character. You can mash strings all day and do fairly well, but if you want to maximize her, you have to put a LOT of work in. It's not even just ws+1 combos, but also the fact that even her b&b combos require a ss+1 cancel that will take some practice to perfect. After her uf+1 launcher, the optimal combo involves a crouch cancel which is a pain to get consistently. Then you throw in all the options off ss+1, including perfect ss+1 cancels, all of which come from her basic strings. A high level Nina is cancelling ALL the time, and with all the inputs and timings it's easy to fall into predictable patterns that will get you burned. Nina's an amazing character and deserves a LOT more respect.
Qcfuf just more smoother imo. Hard part about butterflies is the amount you may need to get to the wall but they also leave great oki spiking down with ivory cutter.
TMM thinks Nina Scrub Nina is easy. Nina at her max potential is a very hard character. SS1 cancels, butterfly loops, learning a hard Korean backdash since she's a backsway character... Nina is a hard at the maximum level, but without all of that...she's pick up and play. Just watch Mrsplaystuff use Nina...you'll see what I mean 😂. She went all the way to TGP without the hard stuff 💀...
Nina still has better wallcarry then julia but its locked behind execution barrier. Nina can do between 6 and 7 butterflys in combos depending on the launcher you choose to get maximum carry and surpass Julia. The last one is always justframe. And wr+3,4 becomes only justframe if you have reached the maximum number of possible butterflys. With u/f+1 its possible to do a maximum nummber of 6 butterlfies. At the DUOMO DI SIRIO stage on the 2nd Floor its enough to do only ×5 iws+1, instead of max.6, to reach the wall with wr+3,4 and finish of with a wall ender. How ever Nina surpasses Julias wallcarry before she reaches the maximum number of butterlfies she can do in a combo by 1.
I must add a pair of things to the interested: -Multi iWS1 combos ALWAYS require a angle to the right. Some previous move leave this right angle like u/f+4 (still depending on the launcher you must slightly ssr). -You have more than one way to multi iWS+1s: qcf,u/f+1 d,f,n,1 (but this is just a faster qcf than happens on accident) d,d/f,b+1 (This is the hardest one but is the faster one). ... In the actual version of the game, in order to hit wr3,4 after iWS1,1+2 S! you must do one less iWS+1 than you would normally. Try these: d/f+2 L! u/f+4~ssr~d/f+1,2~d/f,n,1 iWS1, iWS1,1+2 S! wr3,4 *here wr3,4 2nd hit will whiff* but with d/f+2 L! u/f+4~ssr~d/f+1,2~d/f,n,1 iWS1,1+2 S! wr3,4 *here it will always hit* Take this in consideration when you launch your opponent and you are kind of far of the wall. Good luck!
I've been playing Nina for a while and trust me, the butterfly loops are pretty freaking useless in Tekken 7, she has other combo options in this game. In previous games a serious Nina player just had to know the loop but now it's basically just for showing off.
Uhhhh actually they are imperative in open stages. I actually mained her in tag 2 with xiaoyu. And I have to get my execution back cause I played her almost everyday back then but that quickly changed when I picked my other main since Tekken 6 which is zafina. In open stages Iw1 is so crucial. It can literally save your round. Now for wall stages the generic hell bringer combo will get you to the wall without having to sacrifice damage for execution. All solid Nina’s know that the advantages of learning at least three loops could be essential when you’re closer to the wall and a generic long range combo won’t do. It just provides more versatility in the combo route and combo spacing. I’ll pick her up again soon.
U drunk asf lol. I main Nina and those butterflies are everything to a strong Nina player. All her most dmg combos comes from her multi butterflies. And it’s safe on block. From her ss 1 cancel to butterfly always checks ppl pressing buttons and sometimes sidestepping if u delay it, it could clip them or trade a ss move. And it’s mid. And most stages butterflies gets u wall to wall.
The damage nerf on ws+1 took some of the usefulness out of it, but yes if you main Nina there's no excuse not to incorporate it into your game. A lot of okizeme setups and resets come from using ws+1 in juggles as well.
its also good to do a screw early and then use iws1 to carry to wall and wall splat with iws12. That way you dont have to depend on hitting the wr 34 ender.
it's kind of sad how so many characters can now do a wall to wall carry with zero execution, which just pisses on characters who needed to do high execution combos for greater wall carry.
Your final boss match against WHY, you look like you were having a little too much fun lol. Definitely one of the most entertaining matches I have ever seen. Video suggestion, if you haven't done so allready you mentioned in this video you have tricks, or shortcuts you use on arcade stick. Could you make a video on these tricks, and tips? Thank you for the great content allways entertaining, and extremely informative keep it up. Oh and MASKU!!!!!!!
This is a great tool but for anyone looking to get better Nina pressure you MUST practice her Perfect Side step 1 cancels which are PLUS 4 ON BLOCK! like an electric more difficult then butterfly
Right here! Nina main at Suzaku! Def need the loops to get the biggest damage, luckily she doesn't absolutely need it. It's not as hard as it used to be, it was 💯 necessary in S1. Been maining her since T1, thanks for this video!
holy mackrel this is an amazing guide mainman! its really important for me too because there are like zero guides on how to do this move out there, save from the occaisional one from the tag 2 days.
Gotta thank you for this one. Started slowly like you said. Started practicing it 30min ago and I can do them 30x in a row, both sides, and just-below-average speed in the neutral. I figure with 5 more days of practice I can start incorporating them into combos in practice. I'll apply this to electrics too to start building up the muscle memory
Hi MainManSWE, thanks for making content for Nina. She has been my main since T3. I love her butterfly, but to do it as a loop is very hard. I'd need a stick for that.
Julia has less carry than Nina, but Nina's combo is infinitely harder. Also he wasn't doing it frame perfect and if he tried doing the 5+ butterflies combo, he wouldn't be able to connect them probably. If you want a perfect input you need to get d,f,n,1. Also comparing this to a PEWGF is a really misguided comparison. For a frame perfect comparison he should try uninterruptible ss1 into df1+2, that stuff is mega hard.
No Julia is better, TMM tested it doing 5 butterfly combos, Nina didn't even come close. Only 2ds have better than julia with full meter. Edit: Also Julias' is consistent, Ninas' isn't.
@@dupla0392 max wall carry would depend on the launcher and 5 iws1s doesn't mean it's necessarily the max carry. For example he could do it from ssr qcf1 qcf1, or uf4 uf4. It was tested in the Nina server a while ago too
@@dupla0392 This was tested. if you remember the old channel Aika. Nina could get wall to wall on hammerhead off a low parry and Julia couldn't. Dragunov and Nina carry further. Nina's new move in season 3 is a huge factor in her carry.
@@BugLondon Then it's probably true, TMM tested it from the basic launchers (mostly 15i) and combos that are stapleable. Also Drag secondary here, he can't match them since 3,1 sneak got nerfed, or he needs to lose a ton of dmg at the point where it doesn't worth it.
@@dupla0392 The thing about Dragunov is that season 3 didn't actually increase his wall carry. He always had that carry and it was just made easier and more flexible. That's why many long time drag mains thought the community's complaints about 3,1 were misguided.
Thanks a lot the mainmanSWE ❤ i am nina main and for a lot time i found it difficult but after this video i am gonna try it and use it a lot the mainmanSWE you are legend ❤
Yeah finally he made a video that atleats didn't salt about nina and he learned her flattering butterfly ofcourse he doesn't know how to get extra damage but still im happy
My main is Nina and I play Julia as well, and I definitely don’t think Julia dmg is high than Ninas. Like Julia’s highest dmg combo is like 86-87 with no wall, ch or rage. Nina’s is like 91-93 can’t remember, and waaaay easier than Julia’s high dmg combo executions.
I'm a Nina main player and this explanation is correct to start practicing the iWS1 flaps. Nice one. Anyway Julia remains better among the two characters as wall carry combo because Julia has bigger damange on her wall carry. The flaps are difficult to connect in pressure status and bad concentration and if you get them, your damage is poor. Julia is simple and her damage in more visible just in poor ff1 combos.
She's standing on the balls of her feet, which is something a number of fighting styles seem to encourage and probably an especially good idea if you ever find yourself trying to fight in stiletto heels for some stupid reason. It does look strange, especially the way she keeps grinding her left heel in and out, but it seems that's mostly because her awkward-looking stance straight out of Tekken 1 combines really badly with the Tekken 7 style of pose animation.
The issue is this combo is not possible with a controller. Making Nina, Paul, and lee impossible to use at thier fullest potential. Timing for th slaps would be PERFECT visually, but will never hit the 2nd slap on controller.
Thanks for answering my request! Love your content, keep up the great work. I only have one question, because I feel this is probably where I'm doing something wrong: the butterflies only hit if Nina is slightly off-axis to the right, is that correct?
the hard part is to do the first qcf,n,1 after ws1 from df3,2~1 because if i do it too soon, her recovery animation will eat up the qcf motion and only 1 come out, too late then well...it just whiff
Respectable. Just to note that you have to ssr cancel from ss1 everytime if you dont manually move right before the combo. Also the more demanding combo from uf1 is uf1, CC, df3, 2 SS1 N uf4, qcf1 X3 then dash up qcf1
God quarter circle right is so freaking hard for me man .. it's ridiculous. Even tho I've learned you basically just barely go down then you can go straight for down left or right and then left or right. You don't have to go all the way down, then start your swoop. But man it's hard af. 40 hours in. Sheesh. Literally why I knew I couldn't main Paul. Too many qrtr circle moves. I'm a little better than I was but I wish I could just lab with no opponent just to practice that across screen.
Personally, I find Lee's Rear Cross Punch loops more annoying than Nina's Fluttering Butterflies. At least more annoying to time. It took me longer to pin that down, but I eventually figured out how Nina's loop worked.
I feel like this video doesn’t have as much thought in the research side nina has slightly better wall carry than julia. In terms of consistency and the difference in travel it’s probably just better to play Julia
I like Nina because she’s not cheap and a pay to win character. Net code still hot trash in the game but if they would just fix that and take out the brain dead in game delays things would be so much better. To be honest I think this is all about money and to drag in the casual trash bag players
Because he loves using uf1 as the laucnher and that he used df3,2 in the combo she didn't reach the wall... df2 uf4 ssR df1 iws1(4x),1+2 fff3,4 will reach the wall...Still not matching Julia's wall carry LOL
I'm sorry as a Julia main that she is a DLC char. Believe me her or Michelle could easily have replaced katarina lucky chloe and whomever else. But damn she's flawed too
I if you're not crazy about optimisation then you're right you do not need them, Nina normal combo routes T6 onwards always did provide pretty good wall travel imo . However one of Tekken's most beautiful aspects is many ways exist to do the same thing. When I was trying to do it the traditional way, I could barely get one rep for months, but if you,'re a pad play try Akuma' s Shoryuken motion than uf1 and for timing you want to input iws1 while they're quite low to the ground. That worked at least for me.
Ok nina gang... I’m here for this so it’s for me lol. Ima pad player so it’s hard af for me to execute it: I can get 2 off tho. Building it up. This was helpful af
Steve's difficulty has been underrated for a long time. You used to have to perfect wildman to get the best out of him, hopefully they bring this back in Tekken 8
@@JT-km6th all it is, is crouch cancelling into ws 1,2 lol he is not hard execution wise in T7 any decent player can play him well if they understand Tekken.
MainMan please turn down the sharpness at the end. When shrunk down the video is fine but that video is way oversharpened. I'd advise changing your settings in OBS or directly recording in camera to an SD Card then using that footage.
Hey, no dumbass stream chat. Refreshing. Anyway, another helpful method of doing the iWS1 loop is to go from qcf to uf as a substitute for neutral. Just make the input smooth (do the qcf properly, at a decent but not too-fast rhythm, and at the right window so that the qcf sway actually comes out) so that you don't get accidental Skull Splitters (uf1). Personally, I find it much less awkward than doing a qcf and then waiting a few frames before pressing 1.
Any time a character has a qcf-inpyt more it always scares me since I am used to spamming it due to my PTSD with Street Fighter many years ago. I have to switch to using the d-pad instead of the joystick whenever I have to do Kazuya's EWGF or Eliza's shoryuken.
Well we hav a sneak peak and an intro now. Now it has some life in it rather than copy paste twitch moments with absolute 0 edits. Happy to know that now MainMan somewhat deserves to recieve revenue😐
If I do "frame perfect" inputs how come it doesn't come out? I mean after doing (2:50) uf 2 1, ss df 1, df 3 2, forward, 1 (the first butterfly). After this one it will do just a regular punch most of the time. While the input is "perfect". Doing the whole input too early after the first easy butterfly? Okay so after posting this I got 3 in a row at the end of that combo. Using the PS3 stick is less prone to errors compared to the D-pad I just found out.
4:47 - "Dont jerk it too fast, too quickly, do it slow." Ok mainman I'll keep that in mind 😂😂😂
I laughed so hard 😂😂😂
Killed mee
Idk why but Swe pointing in his camera shot to gesture towards the gameplay is so satisfying like he’s actually part of the game.
I think he looks at his vod so he can see where each thing on the screen is according to him
Vasileios he’s doing combos with the gameplay so they’re being recorded at the same time. Probably just him using StreamLabs as a reference like how TV weather people know where to point on the map.
Maybe that’s what you were implying but I figured that was the case. It’s still cool to see, I wish more creators did it.
I was thinking the same thing
He's not actually playing. There's a Korean guy under the table.
@@JT-km6th lmao
Nina and Lee's wall travel is sadly not rewarding now especially with the technicality. I wish they can regain their identity back as the king and queen of wall travel
Honestly. I know that they can't really go back to the old system, but giving them their old speciality back would just be good for the entire cast, balance wise.
IZ YA BOI LARS. TRAVELING TO HAWAII WITH SE 3+4 HERE IN SEASON 4!
Thank you someone said it
@@sarika3689 are you guys talking bound instead of the screw system?
@@mysterycoin1546 Yeah. Screw just lets everyone get mad mad wall travel
It’s 3 am over here but I never go to right to sleep anyway. I always wanted to get better with Nina
Tmm streams at 3 am so yeah
Do you know how can we select this black nina?
@@gammadopplercs2 if you see at the bottom the screen when you are on the selection screen, you will see a button that says customized slots, you press that button on Nina and it will appear other costumes
If you find yourself landing the first Butterfly then missing the next ones. Your QCF input is too slow
If you get a 1 jab you ain't pressing qcf at all lol
@@Guitar-Dog well yea but the main question people have is "I landed the first butterfly, the second came out but whiffed even though it looked like it should connect what am I doing wrong?" QCF input is too slow
@@maddoxgaming8310 sorry o thought it was silly and obvious, good type for new players but I've been playing for a few years ;:)
Or you're not off axis enough.
I've said it before, Nina has the hardest carry tool in her butterfly. Lee? Once you get b+2 down, its pretty simple to do consistently. This IS ALWAYS hard lmfao
I agree lee b2 is way easier
I agree with you 100%. Nina’s iws1s are easily one of hardest execution tools to master. I find Julia’s max damage wall carry, and Lee’s b2 loops far more easier to do.
Is this harder than paul qcf 1 loops?
@@fartmaster--po4ti im no pro player, but im going to say yes. Paul's qcf+1 is the same kinda thing as Anna's qcf+1. Its more of a quick input rather than a precise input
@@yomomma1316 Agreed
Well, Julia has that sweet DLC power.
I recently gave Julia a try and holy shit, she has soooo many combo routes. Even if they nerf her wall travel and damge in Season 4 / Tekken 8, as long as she gets to keep her combo freedom I would still love to play her.
Julia been my main since tag 2 came out. She's best girl. Easily
Oh and don't forget fully tracking ff1.
Laine if you wanna nerf tracking ff1 then nerf tracking electric
@@diasdemierdiaz I would be 100% fine with that.
@@diasdemierdiaz yeah that's a fair trade, nobody likes tracking electrics, not even mishimas
actually, if you practice the qcf u/f then you also practice elizas animation canceled qcb u/b 3 (or 4) at the same time, if you happen to pick that character up in the future.
Nina , Lee and Bruce were the gods of wall carry back in the day , now everyone can do it .
Lee is the god of dropping the wall carry unless you're excellent.
Glad I’m not the only one who recognizes Bruce wall carry. His wall carry and damage was Tekken 7 Julia’s in steroids, with his wall carry piss easy to do with 3,2f~1 loops. On top of that his wall ender of f3,1 into db2,1,4 did insane amount of damage.
This is why Nina is considered a hard character. You can mash strings all day and do fairly well, but if you want to maximize her, you have to put a LOT of work in. It's not even just ws+1 combos, but also the fact that even her b&b combos require a ss+1 cancel that will take some practice to perfect. After her uf+1 launcher, the optimal combo involves a crouch cancel which is a pain to get consistently. Then you throw in all the options off ss+1, including perfect ss+1 cancels, all of which come from her basic strings. A high level Nina is cancelling ALL the time, and with all the inputs and timings it's easy to fall into predictable patterns that will get you burned. Nina's an amazing character and deserves a LOT more respect.
Qcfuf just more smoother imo. Hard part about butterflies is the amount you may need to get to the wall but they also leave great oki spiking down with ivory cutter.
Nice to know, will definitely respect Nina's that use this in combos!
The main man: Nina is not hard
Also the main man: I'm not even going to attempt to try to demonstrate that.
🧢🧢🧢
there's scrub nina and legit nina, both are very different characters
TMM thinks Nina Scrub Nina is easy. Nina at her max potential is a very hard character. SS1 cancels, butterfly loops, learning a hard Korean backdash since she's a backsway character... Nina is a hard at the maximum level, but without all of that...she's pick up and play. Just watch Mrsplaystuff use Nina...you'll see what I mean 😂. She went all the way to TGP without the hard stuff 💀...
I did this for 6 fucking hours and my hand is fucked. But it was worth it.
Getting into T7 with Stick and found Nina best fits my style, perfect timing TMM. Respect all the effort towards your content.
Nina still has better wallcarry then julia but its locked behind execution barrier.
Nina can do between 6 and 7 butterflys in combos depending on the launcher you choose to get maximum carry and surpass Julia.
The last one is always justframe.
And wr+3,4 becomes only justframe if you have reached the maximum number of possible butterflys.
With u/f+1 its possible to do a maximum nummber of 6 butterlfies.
At the DUOMO DI SIRIO stage on the 2nd Floor its enough to do only ×5 iws+1, instead of max.6, to reach the wall with wr+3,4 and finish of with a wall ender.
How ever Nina surpasses Julias wallcarry before she reaches the maximum number of butterlfies she can do in a combo by 1.
I must add a pair of things to the interested:
-Multi iWS1 combos ALWAYS require a angle to the right. Some previous move leave this right angle like u/f+4 (still depending on the launcher you must slightly ssr).
-You have more than one way to multi iWS+1s:
qcf,u/f+1
d,f,n,1 (but this is just a faster qcf than happens on accident)
d,d/f,b+1 (This is the hardest one but is the faster one).
...
In the actual version of the game, in order to hit wr3,4 after iWS1,1+2 S! you must do one less iWS+1 than you would normally. Try these:
d/f+2 L! u/f+4~ssr~d/f+1,2~d/f,n,1 iWS1, iWS1,1+2 S! wr3,4
*here wr3,4 2nd hit will whiff*
but with
d/f+2 L! u/f+4~ssr~d/f+1,2~d/f,n,1 iWS1,1+2 S! wr3,4
*here it will always hit*
Take this in consideration when you launch your opponent and you are kind of far of the wall.
Good luck!
I've been playing Nina for a while and trust me, the butterfly loops are pretty freaking useless in Tekken 7, she has other combo options in this game. In previous games a serious Nina player just had to know the loop but now it's basically just for showing off.
You guys look cool AF doing it though, like Lee's b1f~
Much respect for dedicating the time into getting down and applying it in matches
Pretty much this.
Uhhhh actually they are imperative in open stages. I actually mained her in tag 2 with xiaoyu. And I have to get my execution back cause I played her almost everyday back then but that quickly changed when I picked my other main since Tekken 6 which is zafina. In open stages Iw1 is so crucial. It can literally save your round. Now for wall stages the generic hell bringer combo will get you to the wall without having to sacrifice damage for execution. All solid Nina’s know that the advantages of learning at least three loops could be essential when you’re closer to the wall and a generic long range combo won’t do. It just provides more versatility in the combo route and combo spacing. I’ll pick her up again soon.
U drunk asf lol. I main Nina and those butterflies are everything to a strong Nina player. All her most dmg combos comes from her multi butterflies. And it’s safe on block. From her ss 1 cancel to butterfly always checks ppl pressing buttons and sometimes sidestepping if u delay it, it could clip them or trade a ss move. And it’s mid. And most stages butterflies gets u wall to wall.
The damage nerf on ws+1 took some of the usefulness out of it, but yes if you main Nina there's no excuse not to incorporate it into your game. A lot of okizeme setups and resets come from using ws+1 in juggles as well.
its also good to do a screw early and then use iws1 to carry to wall and wall splat with iws12. That way you dont have to depend on hitting the wr 34 ender.
Nina is my main nd learning this will come in handy , i already maxxed out her damage now this can help with wall travel , makes her more deadly.
Love the eyeroll after the accidental jerk it
it's kind of sad how so many characters can now do a wall to wall carry with zero execution, which just pisses on characters who needed to do high execution combos for greater wall carry.
Yeah but her fast frames make up for slower like leroy, which people swear he op but to me Nina and Akuma are OP if used correctly 💀
Your final boss match against WHY, you look like you were having a little too much fun lol. Definitely one of the most entertaining matches I have ever seen. Video suggestion, if you haven't done so allready you mentioned in this video you have tricks, or shortcuts you use on arcade stick. Could you make a video on these tricks, and tips? Thank you for the great content allways entertaining, and extremely informative keep it up.
Oh and MASKU!!!!!!!
Omg great idea. I'm still bad with stick personally
This is a great tool but for anyone looking to get better Nina pressure you MUST practice her Perfect Side step 1 cancels which are PLUS 4 ON BLOCK! like an electric more difficult then butterfly
They are +10 on block
Right here! Nina main at Suzaku! Def need the loops to get the biggest damage, luckily she doesn't absolutely need it. It's not as hard as it used to be, it was 💯 necessary in S1.
Been maining her since T1, thanks for this video!
A bit off-topic but....HELL OF A SHOW as Final Boss Main Man! That was so much fun to watch!
4:20
This.
This right here cannot be stressed enough. If you can't get something down, repetition is key to make it natural.
holy mackrel this is an amazing guide mainman! its really important for me too because there are like zero guides on how to do this move out there, save from the occaisional one from the tag 2 days.
Gotta thank you for this one.
Started slowly like you said.
Started practicing it 30min ago and I can do them 30x in a row, both sides, and just-below-average speed in the neutral.
I figure with 5 more days of practice I can start incorporating them into combos in practice.
I'll apply this to electrics too to start building up the muscle memory
Hi MainManSWE, thanks for making content for Nina. She has been my main since T3. I love her butterfly, but to do it as a loop is very hard. I'd need a stick for that.
"Don't Jerk it too quickly; do it slow" are words to live by.
"don't jerk it too fastly, do it slow" -TMMS JOI Tutorial
Nina getting the butterfly 🦋 effect treatment. 😆
this is the only part where nina is difficult
Try ss1 perfect cancels
Julia has less carry than Nina, but Nina's combo is infinitely harder.
Also he wasn't doing it frame perfect and if he tried doing the 5+ butterflies combo, he wouldn't be able to connect them probably. If you want a perfect input you need to get d,f,n,1.
Also comparing this to a PEWGF is a really misguided comparison. For a frame perfect comparison he should try uninterruptible ss1 into df1+2, that stuff is mega hard.
No Julia is better, TMM tested it doing 5 butterfly combos, Nina didn't even come close. Only 2ds have better than julia with full meter.
Edit: Also Julias' is consistent, Ninas' isn't.
@@dupla0392 max wall carry would depend on the launcher and 5 iws1s doesn't mean it's necessarily the max carry.
For example he could do it from ssr qcf1 qcf1, or uf4 uf4.
It was tested in the Nina server a while ago too
@@dupla0392 This was tested. if you remember the old channel Aika. Nina could get wall to wall on hammerhead off a low parry and Julia couldn't. Dragunov and Nina carry further. Nina's new move in season 3 is a huge factor in her carry.
@@BugLondon Then it's probably true, TMM tested it from the basic launchers (mostly 15i) and combos that are stapleable.
Also Drag secondary here, he can't match them since 3,1 sneak got nerfed, or he needs to lose a ton of dmg at the point where it doesn't worth it.
@@dupla0392 The thing about Dragunov is that season 3 didn't actually increase his wall carry. He always had that carry and it was just made easier and more flexible. That's why many long time drag mains thought the community's complaints about 3,1 were misguided.
So Julia is the new Akuma , always finds something to complain about
Pretty much
If you’re willing could you please do Leo’s, F4 cancels or Lee’s b2 cancels since they’re similar.
For the life of me, I do not understand how to consistently do Leo’s f4 cancels omg
@@bartdude82 isnt it just df4?
Thanks a lot the mainmanSWE ❤ i am nina main and for a lot time i found it difficult but after this video i am gonna try it and use it a lot the mainmanSWE you are legend ❤
Yeah finally he made a video that atleats didn't salt about nina and he learned her flattering butterfly ofcourse he doesn't know how to get extra damage but still im happy
My main is Nina and I play Julia as well, and I definitely don’t think Julia dmg is high than Ninas. Like Julia’s highest dmg combo is like 86-87 with no wall, ch or rage. Nina’s is like 91-93 can’t remember, and waaaay easier than Julia’s high dmg combo executions.
Ppl sleep on the execution with Julia they think it's just party crash
4:42 i was just rewatching both of your wavedash videos yesterday 😂
"Goddammit I'm too strong" ~TMM
Well bout time he uploaded a vid on Nina.
I just wish they would be more rewarding
After three years it comes pretty natural to me. It takes practice and experience. Anyway Julia’s wall carry is way longer and waaaay easier.
You can consistently hit her max staple combo?
I'm a Nina main player and this explanation is correct to start practicing the iWS1 flaps. Nice one. Anyway Julia remains better among the two characters as wall carry combo because Julia has bigger damange on her wall carry. The flaps are difficult to connect in pressure status and bad concentration and if you get them, your damage is poor. Julia is simple and her damage in more visible just in poor ff1 combos.
Ur are late Masku... 7 month tobtrainig and yess now I can do it...
The hit the most complicate of tekken story 🤩🤩🤩
Why are ninas heels lifting off the groung when standing that just makes no sense it’s giving me ocd😂
She's standing on the balls of her feet, which is something a number of fighting styles seem to encourage and probably an especially good idea if you ever find yourself trying to fight in stiletto heels for some stupid reason. It does look strange, especially the way she keeps grinding her left heel in and out, but it seems that's mostly because her awkward-looking stance straight out of Tekken 1 combines really badly with the Tekken 7 style of pose animation.
Leo Comerford exactly, just bad animation. Nothing major but damn does it trigger me hahaha
She's always done that it looks cool visually and she's ready to move.
Shawn King seriously...
I looked at the comments if I'm the only one who noticed it, But now that you said it... Now I can't unsee it
Forgot Nina even existed tbh. Haven't fought against her since season 1-2
Lol, TMM in a nutshell: "See? You don't have to do all of them frame-perfect ... Oh, sorry, I did every single one frame-perfect 😔😏" ...
yesterday i faced one and was surprised how well it worked
Nina is just way too beautiful
The issue is this combo is not possible with a controller. Making Nina, Paul, and lee impossible to use at thier fullest potential. Timing for th slaps would be PERFECT visually, but will never hit the 2nd slap on controller.
If it's not possible on controller than how am I stapling this online with a pad? This comment is 🧢.
Thanks for answering my request! Love your content, keep up the great work.
I only have one question, because I feel this is probably where I'm doing something wrong: the butterflies only hit if Nina is slightly off-axis to the right, is that correct?
That combo was difficult at t6/ttt2 since you had to perform a tiger knee input. Now I see low rank players perform it
I think her wallcarry is still better than Julias.. I saw a video comparisson on both of them and Nina was better...
This is just like Bryan's iWS+3. It's easy to do on Mixbox/Arcade stick. But, it's hard to do on Pad (just because of the delay)
Are you not going to talk about you being the final boss in the tournament and completely cheesing it
the hard part is to do the first qcf,n,1 after ws1 from df3,2~1 because if i do it too soon, her recovery animation will eat up the qcf motion and only 1 come out, too late then well...it just whiff
Lol I just decided to pick her up today , and this on my recommendation. Never searched her up lol
Thanks.hope to see more of this videos
Respectable. Just to note that you have to ssr cancel from ss1 everytime if you dont manually move right before the combo. Also the more demanding combo from uf1 is uf1, CC, df3, 2 SS1 N uf4, qcf1 X3 then dash up qcf1
This is impossible 1p right? Cause he's side stepping r from crouch
I just wish it was easier. I am at purple rank with nina and still can't juggle :(
She’d lose her identity if it was easy
@@FortyMudas_ I agree but she already lost her wall carry identity, same goes for Lee.
Purple is Season 1 Green bro
God quarter circle right is so freaking hard for me man .. it's ridiculous. Even tho I've learned you basically just barely go down then you can go straight for down left or right and then left or right. You don't have to go all the way down, then start your swoop. But man it's hard af. 40 hours in. Sheesh. Literally why I knew I couldn't main Paul. Too many qrtr circle moves. I'm a little better than I was but I wish I could just lab with no opponent just to practice that across screen.
Personally, I find Lee's Rear Cross Punch loops more annoying than Nina's Fluttering Butterflies. At least more annoying to time. It took me longer to pin that down, but I eventually figured out how Nina's loop worked.
I feel like this video doesn’t have as much thought in the research side nina has slightly better wall carry than julia. In terms of consistency and the difference in travel it’s probably just better to play Julia
Yeah, Bnb Julia is so much better imo.
I like Nina because she’s not cheap and a pay to win character. Net code still hot trash in the game but if they would just fix that and take out the brain dead in game delays things would be so much better. To be honest I think this is all about money and to drag in the casual trash bag players
Eh Nina is considered pretty damn cheap with all her strings and cheese and such, but I get what you mean
@@jpalma200 I think only can opener is THAT cheap
@@jpalma200 cheap only on low ranks.On mid rank she is below mid. Of course you should have MU knowledge.
Because he loves using uf1 as the laucnher and that he used df3,2 in the combo she didn't reach the wall... df2 uf4 ssR df1 iws1(4x),1+2 fff3,4 will reach the wall...Still not matching Julia's wall carry LOL
I'm sorry as a Julia main that she is a DLC char. Believe me her or Michelle could easily have replaced katarina lucky chloe and whomever else. But damn she's flawed too
It's a solid move to compare everyone more to *Julia* ...
Especially considering how obnoxiously busted she is ^^
these loops are one reason I don't particularly like using Nina
fortunately, I don't think she _needs_ them... right?
You can play her normally
Yeah. It's not necessary
In T6 if u could do these loops u would get crazy combos but now she has so many screw options its not required
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if you're not crazy about optimisation then you're right you do not need them, Nina normal combo routes T6 onwards always did provide pretty good wall travel imo . However one of Tekken's most beautiful aspects is many ways exist to do the same thing. When I was trying to do it the traditional way, I could barely get one rep for months, but if you,'re a pad play try Akuma' s Shoryuken motion than uf1 and for timing you want to input iws1 while they're quite low to the ground. That worked at least for me.
@@vista1456786 This man right here provides a solid explanation
Ok nina gang... I’m here for this so it’s for me lol. Ima pad player so it’s hard af for me to execute it: I can get 2 off tho. Building it up. This was helpful af
How many now?
Don't jerk it too fast too quickly to it slow 🤔....good advice!
Steve's difficulty has been underrated for a long time. You used to have to perfect wildman to get the best out of him, hopefully they bring this back in Tekken 8
The hardest thing he has is his machine gun punches into ws1 after his ext duck 1 or ch df2 everything else is super easy.
@@LowTremble Katarina is super easy, Steve isn't. But with Steve in t6 and ttt2 you would have to wild man x2 a combo for max damage
@@JT-km6th all it is, is crouch cancelling into ws 1,2 lol he is not hard execution wise in T7 any decent player can play him well if they understand Tekken.
6:41 look at nina avatar she got a body at this moment 😂😂😂
MainMan please turn down the sharpness at the end. When shrunk down the video is fine but that video is way oversharpened. I'd advise changing your settings in OBS or directly recording in camera to an SD Card then using that footage.
Ninas main are happy now
Forbidden knowledge
Is this a redemption arc with Nina mains?
Hey, no dumbass stream chat. Refreshing.
Anyway, another helpful method of doing the iWS1 loop is to go from qcf to uf as a substitute for neutral. Just make the input smooth (do the qcf properly, at a decent but not too-fast rhythm, and at the right window so that the qcf sway actually comes out) so that you don't get accidental Skull Splitters (uf1). Personally, I find it much less awkward than doing a qcf and then waiting a few frames before pressing 1.
Thanks man
Funnily enough my characters I play as mostly are Julia and Nina
Another great movie by MainMan Spielberg!When will this man stop shitting gold?
@ 4:45.....ya i don't even have to comment on this one. The internet knows whats up lol
while running moves always gave me trouble too xD
Will you post the wall carry for each character, that would be interesting.
Any time a character has a qcf-inpyt more it always scares me since I am used to spamming it due to my PTSD with Street Fighter many years ago. I have to switch to using the d-pad instead of the joystick whenever I have to do Kazuya's EWGF or Eliza's shoryuken.
Main man.. Pick gigas. Turn counter hit on. Press forward 1+2. Nobody talks about this
Next, try Leo’s f4 cancels, if you want difficult juggles.
Is it Lee mistep wall carry/cancel difficult or worse ?
I HOPE YOU ARE ALSO DOING AWESOME MAINMAN!!! 🥊💀❤️ I MAIN NINA!
Amazing content as always. No clue what ur talking bout, cause I never play her
Well we hav a sneak peak and an intro now. Now it has some life in it rather than copy paste twitch moments with absolute 0 edits. Happy to know that now MainMan somewhat deserves to recieve revenue😐
It is easier to do multiple butterflies by inputing this > qcf uf +1
It's not easier at all, the input method is just personal preference. qcf n 1 has always been much easier for me.
4:44 🤣
If I do "frame perfect" inputs how come it doesn't come out? I mean after doing (2:50) uf 2 1, ss df 1, df 3 2, forward, 1 (the first butterfly). After this one it will do just a regular punch most of the time. While the input is "perfect". Doing the whole input too early after the first easy butterfly? Okay so after posting this I got 3 in a row at the end of that combo. Using the PS3 stick is less prone to errors compared to the D-pad I just found out.
It is a GIGAS vs MIGUEL match up and guess what ?
The low tier god won
Maybe off topic but imagine a Bruce vs Fahk TAS
Main man not doing the big Boi combo? Awww man