In the advent of Nousagi's return, I've decided to change the name from "The Fall of Depressed Nousagi" to "The Cancellation of Depressed Nousagi" to better reflect events. Nousagi's return means there was no fall, only a stumble.
Depressed Nousagi really did become depressed. The amount of stress on who was essentially a high school student must have been too much to handle. Also the fact that parts of the community believed a couple of accusations without actual evidence is pretty ironic considering the amount of research Nousagi did for his videos as compared to the “research” the community did to accuse him. It really seems to be the end of a depressing tale about a teenager who wanted to carve out a place for himself within the community.
A cautionary tale of digging too deep inside the rabbit hole and sharing "forbidden knowledge" 🗿 A poetic sad ending for a highschool grad Nousagi who did a "shady trade" "without ill intentions" and being too naive to realize the danger of his own action 🗿 Srsly man, don't trust anyone about someone's secret info. Not even your close friends, and especially in online platform. People can lie, manipulate, do some fvck ups, etc. They may say that they would keep the infos secret, but you wouldn't be able to verify it seconds later 🗿
the problem with getting "actual evidence" is there is a paywall. so if you dont pay, you can only imagine what is in there. people can imagine lots of things you could say that the vtuber news channels didnt do complete research before reporting
@@ultimatevexation8782 Speculation is a poison that can cause misinformation, especially when emotion is involved 🗿 Look at the fake news everywhere that exploited people's emotions by only bringing up speculations but being overblown to the roof 🗿
@@alfianfahmi5430 LoL that info was public already, the danger you are taking about are not "Vtuber problems" are problems any person using internet have, also none of that info is as dangerous as you want to belive it is, nothing you can't find in a facebook account... some weird ideas come to my mind when you guys make a drama of that info, like you trying to disguise something else behind that "solidarity with the girls" even though people as Calli, Kiara and Coco have share they don't mind, maybe you are just angry those girls have a life outside the whole vtuber thing.
@@PEDROGARCIA-qj3gr Actually, I don't really mind their online IRL face being leaked, since internet archived everything you published, but maybe for some select individuals, they don't want such infos being spread too far, therefore some Vtuber fans respect such level of privacy. Idk, each individuals are different on this subject I guess 😕 As for me, I still think it's okay to know their IRL faces, as long as you're not being creepy about it 😕 Just be a respectable individual who respects one's privacy.
In the end of the day, sharing that kind of info is not the problem. The problem is the following question: "are you a delusional person that can't separate fiction and reality?" Because when the answer is yes, then there's where the real problem begin.
Another question for that matter : "Are you willingly go out of your way to intervene someone's life just because you like/hate that person, no matter how bad it takes to do so (ex. gaining doxxing materials for bad reasons, being obnoxious, etc.)? Or are you simply want to appreciate people further by knowing their life?" If you're on the latter end, then you're good, but if you're on the former end, then you need a psychiatrist 🗿
I think he already said that him talking about the vtuber's past lives is only a minor reason why he'll quit making content like this. Also yeah I agree with you. I search the real identity of my favorite vtubers all the time and I only do it because I wanna see their faces and their previous channels, I'll be lucky if their past channels are still active so I sub to it, that's it. No creepy reason
"The problem is the following question: "are you a delusional person that can't separate fiction and reality?" Because when the answer is yes, then there's where the real problem begin." You mean most vtuber fans? lol
I never felt like he left RUclips because of the drama. I think the idea of leaving the platform (at least, creating content regarding Vtubers for the platform) was already on his mind WAY before this drama even started taking root. For some people (including myself), turning your passion into a career just causes us to hate and resent our passion more down the line. Something that once used to be fun and enjoyable turns into something we dread and chain ourselves with tied to deadlines, high expectations from other people, and making it become our lifeline that puts food on the table. And watching back to some of his final streams, it really does sound like he has symptoms of burnout. Maybe it's for the best that he stopped making this form of content. Hopefully it'll help him regain his love and passion for Vtubers again, but most importantly, he moves on and lives a happy and fulfilling life.
By his own admission, he was already planning to leave. This just hastened the announcement. He is still making a few last videos so the time he’s leaving probably hasn’t changed too much.
the biggest shame is that he apparently doesn't enjoy VTuber as much before. Despite the fact that he help others to introduce to them. I wish him well.
I knew someone are gonna make a documentary video like depressednousugaki describing depressednousugaki drama situation. This is just inception at this point
It's debatable whether what Nousagi did was bad or not, but I think we can agree that he certainly didn't mean any harm. I believe "the forbidden knowdledge" shall be just that - knowledge that if you want, you can put time and effort to find, but not share. I don't really think Kiara video is that bad, because Kiara does almost nothing to hide her other identity and is still active within it. However Amelie video strikes as being a little bit not okay, since Amelia has done much to delete much of her history and it's clear she doesn't want anyone to dig in her past. Ultimately I understand nousagi, because this is the kind of information that as nousagi put it "makes you even more impressed by how incredible these girls are" would be very sad to lose.
Controversial opinion : i disaprove greatly of their "privacy right", vtuber identity should be known like any other youtuber on my opinion. It's one thing to like anime girls but those are real people behind the avatar, maybe they don't all have your best interest in mind just because they appear as a cute anime girl. It's useful to know at least if they have a scammer past or other. As long as their adress and real name isn't posted, everything is fair game Edit : chill out people, if you want to fap on people there's websites for that. That ain't the point i'm trying to make here.
@@Toto-95 I can understand your opininon however I highly disagree with it. You're correct that vtubers are real people behind avatars, buth that's the EXACT reason, why they deserve their privacy. Your argument makes sense, however I cannot see it happening often enough for it to be a big problem. Infact if this situation were to happen, then it would be in my opinion correct to not apply the "privacy rule" in this case. However, we have to rememeber: "Innocent until proven guilty". We cannot strip people of their right to hide their past just because there is small probablity that they have something to hide. Also consider the other case. I am not going to name the vtuber I'll talk about (for obvious reasons), but there's a vtuber who deleted all of her previous accounts and social media because of an internet stalker she became very scared of. Now, would it be ok, to announce to everyone her previous identity? My point is - "right to be forgotten" is a human right based on simple empathy and morality (and heck, it's even an official Law in EU and several other countries), that can't be broken unless there's a reason for it (like the hypothetical situation you've mentioned). TL;DR - it's not okay unless there's a reason for it.
@@Toto-95 these real people hide their faces behind anime girl persona for a reason. I'm not saying I disagree with you but unless they have a really scummy past, let people change their ways. And so far, none of our favorite vtuber's real lives arent criminals behind the anime persona
I agree that it is a grey area, and it is up to debate. Any researcher would always need to dig up pieces of information, and to be truthful, must be objective as possible, no matter how controversial/sensitive it is. The dilemma I think with DN's exclusive content thus fall mainly on ethics and the internet. It was a choice whether what details to show or not in the first place and the method of data collection. The internet will always be the internet - an amalgamation of information across its servers, various points of view, and hidden information.
Very good video on the topic, neutral and informative. Worthy of being the video people may stumble, upon when they look for who Depressed Nousagi was.
Nice job on the vid, the way you cited sources made it really easy to follow, I liked how on some parts you had those animations or annotations(idk what they're called) on news channels where it shows the name of the person talking next to them and the overall style felt professional but personal enough to keep you entertained. Can't wait to see future content and good luck on your career going forward.
i appreciate how clean the editing & presentation is, good stuff as for Nousagi, sucks that he was losing his passion regardless of the screw-up honestly i feel he will be welcomed if he ever comes back to making content, most people could tell those 2 videos came from Naiveness & not Malice, even if he should know better considering he made a video on Aloe explaining exactly why VTuber fans are protective of "Forbidden Knowledge"
A Vtuber, especially depending on their fame, are small celebrities with fans who wish to know more about them. Their journey to becoming a Vtuber and the opportunities they gained and lossed as a result. I don't consider it a moral evil for wanting to know but it may come across as invasive and rude, especially to those who hold their favourite vtuber on a pedestal. This gets even more complicated with corporate vtubers with their inability to address topics openly. This is a new realm of streaming we're delving into with nervous, anxiety-filled, socially awkward individuals engaging with nervous, anxiety-filled, socially awkward individuals wearing a confusing identity. For me, I'd rather respect the barrier between viewer and streamer, delving into knowledge they provide personally rather than a third party provider. My personal favourite reveals very little about themselves and I can only assume they want to keep it that way.
I personally don't care, I've even looked into details myself with publicly available data That said I'm not going to spread anything, I really don't care
@@marmedalmond9958 Me just pointing out the obvious does not mean that it's the only case. America had it, Russia had it, even my country Indonesia had it. The "corrupt nationalists" (as I would say, because not all nationalists were the same) will always want to silence journalists who seek truths about the country's injustice.
His channel was pretty good in letting the casual fan know the ins & outs of Vtubing. They were insightful and well made with nothing but good intentions. However I think Nousagi didn't heed his own advice as there will always be part of the fanbase that take things way too seriously and make a nothing burger into a something burger. I really don't think anything he did was done in ill will or with malice to endanger any of the talents that were featured. If you are in the know most already have an idea on who many of the Holomyth members were before they joined Hololive anyways. I do personally hope he returns a wiser more seasoned individual and use this as a learning experience.
Does DN have permission to share, distribute and profit on peoples personal information. The answer is no therefore he crossed the line. You can still be charge with homecide even if you have no intention of murder. Whatever his intention was his action leads to his profit.
@kazedcat I agree. That's where he messed up by putting those things on his patreon in the intent of self profit. However I still think he thought it was harmless & had no ill will to endanger the talents. Like I said there are fans out there who will grasp at straws and he got caught.
@@izumolee6714 I don't think that is true. He didn't promote that stuff on his main channel. The paywall meant that only people who were interested in his content and probably have the best intentions for the talents in mind would find it and probably meant no harm. Now is this an effective filtering method or was he right to do this is another debate, but I don't think we can pin ill intent or greed on him. Unfortunately, it is the small number of people with harmful intention that cause the damage and from which protection have to be taken to the inconvenience of the rest of the population. For the vast majority of the population, this information won't cause any harm, unfortunately there is a minority that will use it to harmful effects.
@@harfi212 Not remotely. You are claiming that the pay wall was to make money, I'm claiming he was using it as a gate keeper to his fans, after all he didn't publicise. I honestly think he had the best of intentions. But the best of intentions doesn't make one innocent of a mistake or recklessness, it just makes them innocent of malice and in this case greed. it certainly doesn't make them the victim.
I'm still very greatfull to Nousagi to enlight why Coco and Rushia was let go as they were and the aftermath in a clear, understandable way without going too heavily into certain aspects. Much saddened that lightning quick drama can ruin something for anyone, including the reporter.
He left at a perfect time because his Patreon content is basically Cover's and Anycolor's joint statement pertaining to "summary sites". He evaded a potential legal dispute.
theres no basis for a lawsuit because all the info he put in his videos is publicly available. there is no basis for doxxing (which isnt a legal term by the way) either since he didnt share any real names or addresses. and since he didnt put out any false rumors theres also no ground for defamation. so the whole cover going after him for this is bs as they have no legal claims to do so.
The best way to go about vtubing and their new personas is to treat it like wrestling. Yes the people doing the actions and streams are real people and just actors but the whole gimmick of both is to believe that these characters are real and their own identity.
Exactly. There is actually a professional wrestler who also does VTubing as well. I won't go into specifics here; so if you want to know, you'll have to do your own research into it.
@@glen-k.2k5 Are you talking about Jibo? I mean, dude's pretty upfront about being a wrestler who's also a VTuber. I mean, his personal/VTuber Twitter has his kayfabe Twitter in the bio.
I don't think he's a bad guy. He probably shouldn't have made those videos tho. It's always sad to see people leave but I understand him wanting to focus on his studies and wish him luck in the future.
huh, i didnt expect to see my tweet there. on hindsight, it was a bit rash on my end to accuse him of fully doxxing the talents. although as far as i know, he did share alot of details thats considered private info there are also a few things that was missed out on this video: 1. DN wasnt just leaking the info via videos. he also had a series of newsletters and messages from patreon that he would occassionally do. his messages and even newsletters sometimes covered drama related to someone’s roomate account (a terms we use that refers to an active vtuber’s other account that is still active). 2. DN’s video on Kiara was controversial, as one of the things he showed in the video and even linked in his description was a video of kiara’s past life having a mental breakdown. also, as far as i know, the video he linked claimed that it was taken from her facebook account as well (dont quote me on this one) 3. before he got caught, DN actually made a third video, and it was a video about Gawr Gura’s past life. i didnt get to see it, but from what i heard based on the ones that were subscribed to his patreon, DN managed to also say which exact state gura used to live, plus the video had details about where she studied and some details about her family 4. DN’s apology was not accepted by a majority of people, mainly because people were accusing him of just running away. the main criticism was that he didnt quit because he lost his passion for vtubers, he was quitting because he got caught in the act. in my opinion, having a dedicated vtuber historian is a job thats somewhat on thin ice. because you would want to archive as much information about a vtuber’s life as possible, but it also makes you a holder of these forbidden knowledge. and once these get leaked, its all over for you looking back now, i think DN did have some good intentions, it was just poorly executed and handled. like the whole argument of it being okay to be shared since this is all “public knowledge” imo is weak considering that maybe they just dont want to have these information shared to the public, or its just common courtesy for those to not mention these at all anyways, sorry for the long comment. if you managed to read until the end, then thanks i guess?
i would have to watch the videos my self to truly form an opinion. as if they are educational and show a step by step guide on how to get to the top of the recommendation list. that would be 100% fine. there are also others like calli who actively stream under their private channels still
Thanks! I confess that this isn’t my first work ever, but it’s definitely among my best. I’m not quite satisfied with it, so I gotta figure out how to make the next one better.
In my opinion I think the videos served a specific purpose. There will always be a side of the casual audience who doesnt care about nuances or privacy of the talents and will look to find more information, which often leads going into forums that may have untrue or straight up false information that is negative. Nousagi parsed that info to "quench" the thirst of these people respectfully and safely so people dont end up believing information thats not true, and he did it without doxxing the talents.
Sooo... he doxxed them by putting public videos and information together and not any irl names or addresses??? Then what the heck are you doing? If the very reason we still have Rushia, Coco, and Pikamee is because we made these connections and continue to support them and not force them to start from ground 0 does it matter??? Vtubers can only ever end in 1 of 2 ways. Graduation or Termination And i dont intend letting either of those stop me from being a fan of my faborite vtuber no matter where their venture goes.
Its definitely a shame to see him go and this whole thing was clearly blown way out of proportion. In generally I would say the whole subject of Vtubers and their past/alternative identities is way too sensitive and always seem to incur hatred even when it is undeserved. I can see why some people would feel its shady to make videos of this kind excusive to his patreon but it also makes sense that to keep it off his main channel so its not so easy for anyone to randomly come across, especially if they would rather not know about this kind of thing.
While I am not rly angry at him, I understand that what he did was wrong. - Some of the public information were not left by them on purpose and there already existed many vtubers who were harmed by having their previous persona revealed. - What is more him showing their faces is big no for any youtube/twitch/etc creator if they did not do that them selves and again many creators were harmed by this type of doxing. It lets people find your real identity and where they live, it lets some people stoke them and might even result in something much worse happening. What he did doesn't sound as bad as it actually was, not telling names and address is obvious thing but face is on close to similar level and even if nothing bad happened to them because of that, if he kept on doing that it would just take time for something bad to happen. Also I find him leaving vtuber "rabbit hole" controversial in itself as even if he was cancelled (rly weakly I would say), it should not effect much him watching vtubers. So him leaving, makes it look like he started to make vtuber content simply for money. 1. He was using Pekora mascot as representation of himself, despite seemingly her not being her oshi as he not made even one video about her. So it felt like he was using her popularity to jumpstart his channel. 2. He was pretty much drama channel, that started to make other videos only because there was not enough happening for more drama content. 3.Him starting with Jojo memes is bad sign in itself as I don't think that those were made by him and it again feels like he was trying to use them to jumpstart his channel. 4.What is more him not understanding that what he is doing is if not bad, than it is in at least gray area and over all taboo in vtuber culture somewhat shows that he wasn't rly as much part of this community, While I might be mistaken his channel over all feels like fame/cash grab by using their fame. He was even taking donations, having patreon and extra channel stuff. Oh my finale bad sign of him was that after his fist livestream where he started to get super chats, he suddenly started to do those livestream like every week and all of them ware also kind a sus, most of them were tier list streams, he even made 3 super chat reading streams which is rly strange by itself and finally graduation stream which the most look like cash grab as if he wanted to use people good will to take as much as he can before leaving.
Well, if said words were offensive or hateful then yes people can get mad. But I get your point, sometimes people overreact on too many things that aren’t even that bad.
Bruce Wayne is Amelia Watson and Clark Ken is Takanashi Kiara No wonder Depressed Nousagi was hit that its classified information (?) Joking aside, I think most people could find for themselves past public work from Kiara and Amelia just like the open secret of Mori Calliope which we keep to ourself and don't bring it up on her streams out of respect Honestly, I am still confused as the backlass Depressed Nousagi received since its great to have these information, at least the one that we have access that doesn't invade their privacy it would be another thing it this involved more than their past work though as that is going into being plain creepy
@@uteriel282 Anyone capable can take over, for as long as they've learned the boundaries of what they can and cannot do. There is wisdom from firsthand experience; and there is also wisdom earned by learning from the experiences of others.
2:59 Coco never stated that she left Hololive because of the antis, it is a common misinformation. She said that she left because of creative differences with the company.
Is it funny how discovering your channel and watching some of your video, I view you as his replacement! That being said, he is still alived and still making Vtuber videos.
There's definitely some inspiration taken from Nousagi. Especially my early thumbnails, which were basically ripped from his style. However, I don't think I'm capable of replacing him ever. He has a bunch of insights that just never occurred to me. There used to be a bunch of comments saying I was the "new nousagi", but I never took those seriously, since I can't and don't want to try and replace him.
Hey, just saying you can find most faces of Vtubers on RUclips with as much as a simple x-vtubers name + face reveal. Chances are you find many compiled Facereveal Videos of various Indie and Agency Vtubers with a lot of those face reveals not necessarily being with the consent of the Individuals. Giving DN heat for sharing public Information behind a paywall, and by extension not necessarily more than what you would find on youtube anyway with a bit of searching, makes you just look like a hypocrit and an idiot.
I don't know. Now that he is now kind of hated maybe I can now have more respect for him, just a little but I really don't like his videos because I always feel they're lacking more profound research in them
The way I take it is that if a Vtuber is willing to show off personal information on their OWN channel and are comfortable with occasional face cams then sure, he should be free to make videos like this. But the Hololive girls were not doing this and that should’ve been a pretty telling sign that they don’t want their IRL faces to be known to the general public, and using the excuse of just using a picture from an old alternative accounts is just not a good excuse in my opinion. I’m sure there’s plenty of indies he could’ve asked to do this and it would’ve been just as interesting and avoided this whole thing in the end. Just how I view this whole thing
I think the part that crossed the line was the Ame video. Unlike the other talents she nuked her prior online identities or privated them. She has made it abundantly clear she does not want to exist in the public eye outside Hololive.
4chan was the earliest the accusations of doxing I could find. Accusations of address leaks seemed to be because people interpret a dox specifically as an address leak, so the initial accusation may have become it’s own misinformation.
The idea of putting sensitive information behind some sort of lock seems like a Grey area, but it's definitely in the category of "doing something wrong with good intentions". That information should not be aggregated and distributed, even if all he did was copy and paste what was available somewhere else, by collecting, indexing and referencing it, is enough to make it dangerous. The information per se was possibly "non-actionable" but there are instances where it is enough to make it possible to track somehow a person. Finally, yeah, if he returns it will be controversial, whether he comes back in the same persona or a different one. But I do believe in second chances in the Cancelation Era, because people has to learn from their mistakes. If they return without learning or repeating them, that's it, but for as long as they show they have learned and don't make the same mistakes, then I think it's fair to let them continue instead of consistently throwing at them something they did wrong. Growing up is essential to the human nature and moving past personal views and mistakes is necessary for living a good life and becoming a contributing member of society. Without giving the chance to act upon this learning is the same as expecting people to be perfect from the get go and if DN is just about to start his university education, that means he has way too much to learn about.. Everything! Life, himself, society, social faux-pas and many other lessons that come with age and by screwing up. I am not saying that I forgive him, no, but I want give people who makes mistakes like he did a second chance. Anyways, in any case, it will be pretty long until we hear about him again 🤷♂️
There is also a point to be made that if the correct information is gather in "hidden in plain sight" place (like on patreon, where people who really want to find out can easily find but it's hidden enough not to be spread all around the internet and for someone to find by mistake) it could help with weeding out this fake stuff and the miss information. as someone who went in and tried to find out more info by scouring the net, there is a lot of fake stuff out there that could be dangerous to the talents (and other people) and that could create a lot of drama (like completely fake stories about their past lives or linking the wrong people to a vtuber). his archive could have been a necessary evil to avoid worse stuff
Here is what I think we can learn from this: You can, legally and morally, talk about public information on vtuber talent and linking their different personas, as long you do so in a respectful and responsible manner. However, you can't do it while being perceived as part of the general fan community, and you can't do it in their spaces. Unlike reddit or discord, RUclips and Twitter have no clear separation of communities, and being used by actual v-tubers makes them part of "their" space. If you do this kind of content you are persona non grata on those platforms, even if you post your actual "doxxing" stuff elsewhere.
I've said that from the start. And having seen a few of the pateron vids, no one was missing out on anything most of it everyone knows about already. I actually blame Khyo and FalseEyeD for not specifying what info was being shared. They only ignited his dogpiling.
@@Mondoness that's drama channels do unfortunatly; No matter how good or trust worthy they are it's only the clickbaity titles and nubers of views that count to them. That's why I never trust them
@@Mondoness honestly most fandoms I been on mostly are full of sheeple. It's not the communities that are dumb it's people in general. I still don't get why they are so easy to persuade and manipulate
No one talked about vtuber content and vtubers i general the same way he did, the guy was very passionate about it and never wanted to harm anyone, unlike many clippers and retard fans that always try to paint people in a wrong canvas just so that they can feel better about themselves and the the shit they do on the internet
“But one thing thats for sure if depressed nousagi came back it would be controversial” You might want to retract that statement, he is back but twitter aint talking about him ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@@tiersonshideaway Funny enough I saw another video on the same topic that concluded with a similar stance, it went like "But one thing that's for sure, if he returns the community wont be welcoming" ruclips.net/video/MUo8XMwzBMI/видео.html Ah how the milk aged. He's back but he only kept his loyal fanbase (I mean he did a loli video yesterday but there are no pitchforks). This "Fanbase Filtering" phoenemon is similar to when iDubbz "fell", I forgot the exact term for it but yeah...
@@MagnificentCreature The phrase definitely aged like milk. I should have remembered that people on the internet generally don't care all that much about this kind of stuff after a month. Oh well, lessons for the future.
I truly believe he didn’t mean any harm and only paywalled the “doxing” videos to preserve their past history while keeping it less accessible to general audiences. It wasn’t a great idea, but I get why he was doing it as a vtuber historian. I feel bad for him and wish him the best
This imo, shows how toxic current vtubing industry. It's one thing if those talents did not meant to share their irl identity online, but both of them are irl streamers and kiara still stream in her other identity. So is there doxxing that could magically occur? No, if I really wanted to dox her a simple google search would be more than enough. Nice video btw, I think DN wanted to leave but maybe he wanted a pushback so that he won't get motivated again to post new videos
@@kazedcat Technically he doesn't, so you are correct in this one. However like I said the people who he distributed their information were already online, they had an online identity i.e. streamers. Like imagine if I was a streamer and someone just made a clip of my stream, he didn't dox me, he just clipped from an *already* available source. The other dumb argument is that he shouldn't profit. There's no law against profiting from information, it's almost the same as buying a bottle and reselling it for higher price. Are you dumb?
@@lazyh0rse No the law he violated is Copyright Infringement. Vtuber characters are property of Hololive and he needed to ask permission from hololive to use it for profit. Also Hololive's derivative content permission has an escape provision that makes it invalid if the talent objected to the content. Hololive can nail his ass and if Hololive brings the case to the Phillipines he can be nailed with invasion of privacy.
@@kazedcat There is no such thing as copyright on the internet, come on. It's just something that corporations abuse to control their reputation. Like, "I hate that you used my photo that are all over the internet just because I hate you". This is exactly the situation you are describing. The only reason they hold this power is because they have the capital to enforce it, otherwise they can't control the media as much as they want. What I'm saying here is that these rules are dumb, only insecure and big corporations use even though they are not logical
@@lazyh0rse The law is hard but the law is the law. Hololive will nail his ass if the talent complains about his content. He should have read the fine print of Hololive's derivative content permission before doing things that might antagonized the talents.
People dont understand how serious it was at the time. Nousagi was in the massive shit deservedly so. He monitized the doxx. Like thats super no no. Especially cuz Nousagi was not random channel, he was very well known. Things could had been way worse. Career ending stuff. Nousagi nuked his channel, post apologies vids and admitted. He did everything right after a big bs. Like everything right. Good for him. I love his contents. Fans forgave him. He said it in stream something like "People who have things, wont do anything (to ruins what they have). " See what sup to the black guy wanna be rapper with 2 sec of Ame irl. Professional have standard. What Nousagi did back then was not professional. He is now a professional. Stop saying that its was not a big deal. It was.
I haven't seen his Patreon videos, but as I understand it, the issue wasn't that he doxxed Kiara and Watson in the videos themselves, but that he linked to sources which doxx them -- as in, the sources he got his information from, which were clearly linked within the video descriptions, contain the names and addresses of the talents in addition to the information featured in the video. So while Nousagi didn't directly doxx them, he did facilitate easier doxxing of them by bringing extra traffic to doxx sites. I may be mistaken in that, but that is my understanding from the FalseEyeD video and a couple other online sources, at least.
The most recited accusation was that he doxxed Hilo live talent. I only found links for the video on Kiara. A good chunk of those links were news sites, with one link to kiwi farms. I read through that link and didn’t see anything harmful. Although, there were a lot of Antis. There may be something I didn’t see, but I don’t think he linked to anything especially important.
I’m glad he came back. He was genuinely sorry. I don’t think he realized what the impact of his actions would be and as soon as he was told, he shut it down and apologized. Not sure what more he can do other than just commit to being better.
He could have probably just posted a clown face for ame... and everyone else for the hololive LEL Edit: 1. Historical records -> book burners 2. Doxxers -> Even if not illegal is uncool I see no conflict here. Lots of necessary things are uncool. Just tank the hit and move on.
Is it? I posted this when I had zero subs on the channel. I have no idea what the rep of this channel even is anyways, as I've never done any checks or whatnot.
well i havent heard anything negative as of late. Just people seem to rememeber this one. I guess it hasnt aged well, but the rest of the content seems to be fine i guess.@@tiersonshideaway
@@octobomb Really. To be honest, I hadn't heard anything of its reception. I don't go looking for that kind of stuff. It's very much a possibility of not aging well, but I got no idea myself. If I had to guess, it's because of the controversy surrounding the topic, rather than the video itself, and people having different ideas of what is and isn't acceptable conduct. Either way, thanks for letting me know. I had no idea.
@@octobomb why this channel lost "street cred" for this video? I'm a proper Nousagi fan. Everyone who knows what sup will aceept Nousagi stepped way out of bound. Nousagi himself will tell you that. Documenting about Nousagi is a part of the history too. Nousagi himself did way more spicy content. I don't think he mind. Or tiers son need to care.
@@PiscestheDirty of course nousagi is not likely to care if such a video exist. But that is using him as the argument when the whole topic was the viewers and not nousagi.
To be honest, I'm on the camp of "do not touch vtubers past life" and disappointed in him. But Im willing to give him the benefit of a doubt just because his readily available contents on his channel is quality contents, full of well researched details and care about the object of the topic. And well, he mentioned that he is going to university soon, that means we can assume that he is around 17 - 19 y/o which is understandable if his way of thinking, underestimating his influence and overestimating his audience, is not matured yet. I personally would love to see him come back someday but by the time he's back I bet there is another channel as dedicated to vtubers as his, or maybe even more dedicated.
I’m with you on that. I have nothing against people investigating on their own for personal interest, but the moment you post about their past lives publicly, and in this case charge money for it, that’s crossing the line for me. Dude went way too far and I’m ashamed I used to sub to him before learning all this.
@@trevorweisberg8470 Well, in the eyes of middle aged man like me, he is still immature so that is why I don't really get that feeling of shame you experienced. I give him a benefit of a doubt about him not having malicious intent even though he really underestimated the internet. The one statement that made me think that is, paraphrasing of course, "I can recover if I play my cards right", "I know all about drama, this fire will died out in a couple of weeks". But then I have to commend him for realizing that, "this stigma will stick with me wherever I go". In the end him leaving the scene right now is the best decision for all parties.
This made me remember of Pro Jared and his scandal 1 - 2 years ago. I lost my respect for him, he could never really recover, but he handled the allegations towards him gracefully IMO.
@@samsolitaryroll Yeah, I remember Jared too. Used to subscribe to him but slowly lost interest after the incident and resolution then eventually unsubbed.
I still don’t really know what to think about depressed nousagi. I did enjoy his videos and they were all very well researched, but the past life stuff is always going to be a grey area no matter how respectful you try to be with it. Also to be honest I was kind of looking for a reason to unsubscribe from him, I’d hopped into a few of his streams before and he had this slideshow of memes that I found to be kind of disgusting? They weren’t even funny and actively made me stop watching because of how off putting to me they were. It really soured my opinion of him before all of this drama even happened.
That was one element I didn’t discuss because it didn’t really fit properly into the video. His sense of humor is a bit weird and off putting to some. It’s one of those things where some will care and some won’t.
For me it depends. If the information that he is giving out is something that a vtuber is actively trying to hide (stuff they deleted for example), I think it’s inconsiderate and a little weird to dig into their past like some kind of detective recovering scraps from the internet. I think people’s privacy should be respected. If people want to do their own research, fine. But publicizing research to an audience if it’s stuff the vtuber doesn’t want known is probably bad. Photographs of them irl should have never been posted, that’s a major breach of privacy for someone that is trying to stay anonymous. Those photographs could be considered doxxing, it was not ok. Overall, I can’t say I approve of his actions. I think he went a little too far. People shouldn’t have lied about him though, obviously not justified.
There's an old saying before that goes like this to an author of a popular book: "everything you wrote is the thruth, but you might lose your head for it." I don't find his videos offensive nor manipulative since he is merely telling the truth. You can never please anyone in this world which applies the majority rule... By the way, the person in question is back a few months ago.
Depressed Nousagi at least put these videos behind a wall with disclaimers, but people are not bashing those who are putting info out there openly? If anyone here watched "past lives of vtubers" or "past identities of X" you know what I mean, and on those videos, almost nobody cares.
If he himself hides his real face, what's his right to unveil other people's faces? They could literally track down the talents irl now. "This is part of history" seems like a justification he pulled out of his ass last minute. If you're going to report then do it correctly like False does.
Glad to see him gone. Let Vtubers be vtubers. Let people enjoy them. We don't want to know these things. At the best, ee might want to know when they finalky graduate and we miss them, and yet, they themselves graduated and should be aklowed to live their lives safely.
Depressed Nousagi, if you read this one day, be proud of yourself. Your videos were objective, had source and when those sources were frail you were honest about it, in short quality informative videos. I hope you're happy in your life now.
I don't think showing someone's face is doxxing, but I'm not native speaker so I don't know for sure Depressed Nousagi became depressed for real. Guess someone really doesn't like to see him being successfully spreading Vtuber's culture. I wish him well, maybe he'll come back again one day as "Nousagi"
I myself find it stupid to post someone’s identity while there (in simple terms) hiding it. This is probably due to a reason and we don’t know what that is for all we know some of these vtubers could go and be so insecure about themselves that they will try to avoid most things which could lead to loneliness and other nasty effects. So yes in my eyes it is stupid to do something like that and even if the vtuber just likes to be a vtuber and is fine with there face seen it is still a bit sad because i would atleast think that they would have wanted to reveal that themselves. So my take on it is that he went to far. With that said i hope kiara and wattson are fine and wish all of you good luck and have a nice day
Btw this isn’t saying that what he did was bad just not thought out right. He might of thought he wanted to do good but not everything we see as is is the way of good or bad so I don’t blame him also I don’t have any hate towards him i just wanted to state my opinion and also if someone sees this and you thought i was saying that what he did was bad then am sorry for that. Am not the best in writing
It would be way easier to judge these doxing videos if one could watch them. It does seem like he planned on leaving anyway because of health and him going to university.
Without the videos, the public lacks the proper information to make a sound judgement. His leaving absolutely sounds like it has been planned for a while.
In the advent of Nousagi's return, I've decided to change the name from "The Fall of Depressed Nousagi" to "The Cancellation of Depressed Nousagi" to better reflect events.
Nousagi's return means there was no fall, only a stumble.
Many people had wanted him back. Since he was the only one who brings out reliable information. Plus he is slowly getting back his subs that he lost.
*flashback to when nousagi made that tweet saying "I wonder if anyone will make a rise and fall video about me"*
"Is this the fate of all empires? Is this the fate of Rome?"-Scipio Africanus, watching the sack of Carthage
history about the historian
welp that one did not age well
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Depressed Nousagi really did become depressed. The amount of stress on who was essentially a high school student must have been too much to handle. Also the fact that parts of the community believed a couple of accusations without actual evidence is pretty ironic considering the amount of research Nousagi did for his videos as compared to the “research” the community did to accuse him. It really seems to be the end of a depressing tale about a teenager who wanted to carve out a place for himself within the community.
A cautionary tale of digging too deep inside the rabbit hole and sharing "forbidden knowledge" 🗿
A poetic sad ending for a highschool grad Nousagi who did a "shady trade" "without ill intentions" and being too naive to realize the danger of his own action 🗿
Srsly man, don't trust anyone about someone's secret info. Not even your close friends, and especially in online platform. People can lie, manipulate, do some fvck ups, etc. They may say that they would keep the infos secret, but you wouldn't be able to verify it seconds later 🗿
the problem with getting "actual evidence" is there is a paywall. so if you dont pay, you can only imagine what is in there. people can imagine lots of things
you could say that the vtuber news channels didnt do complete research before reporting
@@ultimatevexation8782 Speculation is a poison that can cause misinformation, especially when emotion is involved 🗿
Look at the fake news everywhere that exploited people's emotions by only bringing up speculations but being overblown to the roof 🗿
@@alfianfahmi5430 LoL that info was public already, the danger you are taking about are not "Vtuber problems" are problems any person using internet have, also none of that info is as dangerous as you want to belive it is, nothing you can't find in a facebook account... some weird ideas come to my mind when you guys make a drama of that info, like you trying to disguise something else behind that "solidarity with the girls" even though people as Calli, Kiara and Coco have share they don't mind, maybe you are just angry those girls have a life outside the whole vtuber thing.
@@PEDROGARCIA-qj3gr Actually, I don't really mind their online IRL face being leaked, since internet archived everything you published, but maybe for some select individuals, they don't want such infos being spread too far, therefore some Vtuber fans respect such level of privacy. Idk, each individuals are different on this subject I guess 😕
As for me, I still think it's okay to know their IRL faces, as long as you're not being creepy about it 😕 Just be a respectable individual who respects one's privacy.
In the end of the day, sharing that kind of info is not the problem. The problem is the following question: "are you a delusional person that can't separate fiction and reality?" Because when the answer is yes, then there's where the real problem begin.
Facts
Another question for that matter :
"Are you willingly go out of your way to intervene someone's life just because you like/hate that person, no matter how bad it takes to do so (ex. gaining doxxing materials for bad reasons, being obnoxious, etc.)? Or are you simply want to appreciate people further by knowing their life?"
If you're on the latter end, then you're good, but if you're on the former end, then you need a psychiatrist 🗿
I think he already said that him talking about the vtuber's past lives is only a minor reason why he'll quit making content like this. Also yeah I agree with you. I search the real identity of my favorite vtubers all the time and I only do it because I wanna see their faces and their previous channels, I'll be lucky if their past channels are still active so I sub to it, that's it. No creepy reason
"The problem is the following question: "are you a delusional person that can't separate fiction and reality?" Because when the answer is yes, then there's where the real problem begin."
You mean most vtuber fans? lol
@@natsudragneelthefiredragon We do be in schizo episode, sometimes 😂🤣
I never felt like he left RUclips because of the drama. I think the idea of leaving the platform (at least, creating content regarding Vtubers for the platform) was already on his mind WAY before this drama even started taking root. For some people (including myself), turning your passion into a career just causes us to hate and resent our passion more down the line. Something that once used to be fun and enjoyable turns into something we dread and chain ourselves with tied to deadlines, high expectations from other people, and making it become our lifeline that puts food on the table. And watching back to some of his final streams, it really does sound like he has symptoms of burnout. Maybe it's for the best that he stopped making this form of content. Hopefully it'll help him regain his love and passion for Vtubers again, but most importantly, he moves on and lives a happy and fulfilling life.
By his own admission, he was already planning to leave. This just hastened the announcement. He is still making a few last videos so the time he’s leaving probably hasn’t changed too much.
the biggest shame is that he apparently doesn't enjoy VTuber as much before.
Despite the fact that he help others to introduce to them.
I wish him well.
From what I've seen it only became prominent when he fucked up.
I say good riddance, he's a danger to Vtuber leaking info and gaining money from it.
so he's still a highschool student? man that makes me feel old as hell
It makes him liable to do stupid stuff too. If he comes back, he’ll be smarter and more mature.
Yeah, and imagine the fully grown adults sending him death threats over this exacerbated fiasco.
nousagi is GOING PLACES holy shit
@@tiersonshideaway he's the wisest person I know, including adults.
@@nauka7565 i dont think selling doxing info is wise tho. Smoothbrain 💀
I knew someone are gonna make a documentary video like depressednousugaki describing depressednousugaki drama situation. This is just inception at this point
It is.
It's debatable whether what Nousagi did was bad or not, but I think we can agree that he certainly didn't mean any harm. I believe "the forbidden knowdledge" shall be just that - knowledge that if you want, you can put time and effort to find, but not share. I don't really think Kiara video is that bad, because Kiara does almost nothing to hide her other identity and is still active within it. However Amelie video strikes as being a little bit not okay, since Amelia has done much to delete much of her history and it's clear she doesn't want anyone to dig in her past. Ultimately I understand nousagi, because this is the kind of information that as nousagi put it "makes you even more impressed by how incredible these girls are" would be very sad to lose.
Controversial opinion : i disaprove greatly of their "privacy right", vtuber identity should be known like any other youtuber on my opinion.
It's one thing to like anime girls but those are real people behind the avatar, maybe they don't all have your best interest in mind just because they appear as a cute anime girl. It's useful to know at least if they have a scammer past or other.
As long as their adress and real name isn't posted, everything is fair game
Edit : chill out people, if you want to fap on people there's websites for that. That ain't the point i'm trying to make here.
@@Toto-95 I can understand your opininon however I highly disagree with it.
You're correct that vtubers are real people behind avatars, buth that's the EXACT reason, why they deserve their privacy. Your argument makes sense, however I cannot see it happening often enough for it to be a big problem. Infact if this situation were to happen, then it would be in my opinion correct to not apply the "privacy rule" in this case. However, we have to rememeber: "Innocent until proven guilty". We cannot strip people of their right to hide their past just because there is small probablity that they have something to hide.
Also consider the other case. I am not going to name the vtuber I'll talk about (for obvious reasons), but there's a vtuber who deleted all of her previous accounts and social media because of an internet stalker she became very scared of. Now, would it be ok, to announce to everyone her previous identity?
My point is - "right to be forgotten" is a human right based on simple empathy and morality (and heck, it's even an official Law in EU and several other countries), that can't be broken unless there's a reason for it (like the hypothetical situation you've mentioned).
TL;DR - it's not okay unless there's a reason for it.
@@Toto-95 Actual creep opinion.
@@shaithis77 its just an opinion, settle down
@@Toto-95 these real people hide their faces behind anime girl persona for a reason. I'm not saying I disagree with you but unless they have a really scummy past, let people change their ways. And so far, none of our favorite vtuber's real lives arent criminals behind the anime persona
I agree that it is a grey area, and it is up to debate. Any researcher would always need to dig up pieces of information, and to be truthful, must be objective as possible, no matter how controversial/sensitive it is. The dilemma I think with DN's exclusive content thus fall mainly on ethics and the internet. It was a choice whether what details to show or not in the first place and the method of data collection. The internet will always be the internet - an amalgamation of information across its servers, various points of view, and hidden information.
Yep you hit it right on the nail.
No it is not a gray area. He has no permission to spread and distribute personal info and he profited from this doxxing.
Very good video on the topic, neutral and informative.
Worthy of being the video people may stumble, upon when they look for who Depressed Nousagi was.
Nice job on the vid, the way you cited sources made it really easy to follow, I liked how on some parts you had those animations or annotations(idk what they're called) on news channels where it shows the name of the person talking next to them and the overall style felt professional but personal enough to keep you entertained. Can't wait to see future content and good luck on your career going forward.
i appreciate how clean the editing & presentation is, good stuff
as for Nousagi, sucks that he was losing his passion regardless of the screw-up
honestly i feel he will be welcomed if he ever comes back to making content, most people could tell those 2 videos came from Naiveness & not Malice, even if he should know better considering he made a video on Aloe explaining exactly why VTuber fans are protective of "Forbidden Knowledge"
A Vtuber, especially depending on their fame, are small celebrities with fans who wish to know more about them. Their journey to becoming a Vtuber and the opportunities they gained and lossed as a result.
I don't consider it a moral evil for wanting to know but it may come across as invasive and rude, especially to those who hold their favourite vtuber on a pedestal.
This gets even more complicated with corporate vtubers with their inability to address topics openly.
This is a new realm of streaming we're delving into with nervous, anxiety-filled, socially awkward individuals engaging with nervous, anxiety-filled, socially awkward individuals wearing a confusing identity.
For me, I'd rather respect the barrier between viewer and streamer, delving into knowledge they provide personally rather than a third party provider. My personal favourite reveals very little about themselves and I can only assume they want to keep it that way.
Thank you for documenting this and clarifying some things that help us ascertain the truth about what happened
He was already going to quit before the drama...the drama is just the nail to the coffin
The danger of knowing too much.
This is why historians and journalists had a hard time dealing with overproud nationalist authoritarian government (you know who) 🗿
I had to check some background facts. I’d like to forget most of what I found out.
I personally don't care, I've even looked into details myself with publicly available data
That said I'm not going to spread anything, I really don't care
@@alfianfahmi5430 there are way more governments who silence journalists more than 'you know who'.
@@marmedalmond9958 Me just pointing out the obvious does not mean that it's the only case. America had it, Russia had it, even my country Indonesia had it. The "corrupt nationalists" (as I would say, because not all nationalists were the same) will always want to silence journalists who seek truths about the country's injustice.
His channel was pretty good in letting the casual fan know the ins & outs of Vtubing. They were insightful and well made with nothing but good intentions.
However I think Nousagi didn't heed his own advice as there will always be part of the fanbase that take things way too seriously and make a nothing burger into a something burger. I really don't think anything he did was done in ill will or with malice to endanger any of the talents that were featured. If you are in the know most already have an idea on who many of the Holomyth members were before they joined Hololive anyways.
I do personally hope he returns a wiser more seasoned individual and use this as a learning experience.
Does DN have permission to share, distribute and profit on peoples personal information. The answer is no therefore he crossed the line. You can still be charge with homecide even if you have no intention of murder. Whatever his intention was his action leads to his profit.
@kazedcat I agree. That's where he messed up by putting those things on his patreon in the intent of self profit. However I still think he thought it was harmless & had no ill will to endanger the talents. Like I said there are fans out there who will grasp at straws and he got caught.
@@izumolee6714 I don't think that is true. He didn't promote that stuff on his main channel. The paywall meant that only people who were interested in his content and probably have the best intentions for the talents in mind would find it and probably meant no harm.
Now is this an effective filtering method or was he right to do this is another debate, but I don't think we can pin ill intent or greed on him.
Unfortunately, it is the small number of people with harmful intention that cause the damage and from which protection have to be taken to the inconvenience of the rest of the population. For the vast majority of the population, this information won't cause any harm, unfortunately there is a minority that will use it to harmful effects.
@@gavinkemp7920 are you saying he's the victim of this tragedy ? The guy selling forbiden knowledge behind paywall
@@harfi212 Not remotely. You are claiming that the pay wall was to make money, I'm claiming he was using it as a gate keeper to his fans, after all he didn't publicise. I honestly think he had the best of intentions. But the best of intentions doesn't make one innocent of a mistake or recklessness, it just makes them innocent of malice and in this case greed. it certainly doesn't make them the victim.
I'm still very greatfull to Nousagi to enlight why Coco and Rushia was let go as they were and the aftermath in a clear, understandable way without going too heavily into certain aspects. Much saddened that lightning quick drama can ruin something for anyone, including the reporter.
this is a really good video, hope to see more of your content soon !
Working on more! The script I’ve been working on doesn’t feel quite right to me yet, but I’m optimistic.
He left at a perfect time because his Patreon content is basically Cover's and Anycolor's joint statement pertaining to "summary sites". He evaded a potential legal dispute.
Imagine if he didn't leave and was being accused of doxxing in court..... That would be rough asfvck for a high-school grad 💀💀💀
@@alfianfahmi5430 Right, a college student is surely >18 of age. Perfectly legal to sue.
@@damasake Good for him to leave YT for the meantime. Getting into a court is a red-flag if you're trying to roll in to college.
theres no basis for a lawsuit because all the info he put in his videos is publicly available.
there is no basis for doxxing (which isnt a legal term by the way) either since he didnt share any real names or addresses.
and since he didnt put out any false rumors theres also no ground for defamation.
so the whole cover going after him for this is bs as they have no legal claims to do so.
@@uteriel282 Well I mean there's still a high chance that he _might_ got caught up in many ways, but ok...
At least he's not getting swatted at his house like political commentators 16 times a year c_c poor guy he just wanted to do deep dives.....
I always wondered if he really had doxxed names and locations. Thanks for satisfying the curiosity
Immediately saw a new suisei video from nousagi after starting this one lol
Yea it’s one of his last few
@@tiersonshideaway i know but i just found it funny that i saw it immediately
The best way to go about vtubing and their new personas is to treat it like wrestling. Yes the people doing the actions and streams are real people and just actors but the whole gimmick of both is to believe that these characters are real and their own identity.
Exactly. There is actually a professional wrestler who also does VTubing as well. I won't go into specifics here; so if you want to know, you'll have to do your own research into it.
@@glen-k.2k5 Are you talking about Jibo? I mean, dude's pretty upfront about being a wrestler who's also a VTuber. I mean, his personal/VTuber Twitter has his kayfabe Twitter in the bio.
@@coreylineberry8557 Yes, I'm referring to him. 🙂
you mastered depressed nousagi's editing style
Actually I stole a lot of sunnyv2 editing choices.
I've seen someone asking if somemore will make a video like this, didn't expect there actually is 😆
This kind of video has been HUGE in yt culture lately.
I don't think he's a bad guy. He probably shouldn't have made those videos tho.
It's always sad to see people leave but I understand him wanting to focus on his studies and wish him luck in the future.
Guy's videos are really good.
Hope all goes well for him
huh, i didnt expect to see my tweet there.
on hindsight, it was a bit rash on my end to accuse him of fully doxxing the talents. although as far as i know, he did share alot of details thats considered private info
there are also a few things that was missed out on this video:
1. DN wasnt just leaking the info via videos. he also had a series of newsletters and messages from patreon that he would occassionally do. his messages and even newsletters sometimes covered drama related to someone’s roomate account (a terms we use that refers to an active vtuber’s other account that is still active).
2. DN’s video on Kiara was controversial, as one of the things he showed in the video and even linked in his description was a video of kiara’s past life having a mental breakdown. also, as far as i know, the video he linked claimed that it was taken from her facebook account as well (dont quote me on this one)
3. before he got caught, DN actually made a third video, and it was a video about Gawr Gura’s past life. i didnt get to see it, but from what i heard based on the ones that were subscribed to his patreon, DN managed to also say which exact state gura used to live, plus the video had details about where she studied and some details about her family
4. DN’s apology was not accepted by a majority of people, mainly because people were accusing him of just running away. the main criticism was that he didnt quit because he lost his passion for vtubers, he was quitting because he got caught in the act.
in my opinion, having a dedicated vtuber historian is a job thats somewhat on thin ice. because you would want to archive as much information about a vtuber’s life as possible, but it also makes you a holder of these forbidden knowledge. and once these get leaked, its all over for you
looking back now, i think DN did have some good intentions, it was just poorly executed and handled. like the whole argument of it being okay to be shared since this is all “public knowledge” imo is weak considering that maybe they just dont want to have these information shared to the public, or its just common courtesy for those to not mention these at all
anyways, sorry for the long comment. if you managed to read until the end, then thanks i guess?
Yea there were a few things I missed. I tried only to put things in the video I could confirm to avoid baseless rumor spreading.
"Idol culture" was invented by Jim Jones.
i would have to watch the videos my self to truly form an opinion. as if they are educational and show a step by step guide on how to get to the top of the recommendation list. that would be 100% fine. there are also others like calli who actively stream under their private channels still
"Censored with Clark Kent" why did that send me. I had to pause the video because I was laughing so hard
I made sure that Amelia was censored with Bruce Wayne. I felt it was a good fit.
Good video! I really still don't know how I feel about the DN thing, I think he fucked up but I'm still very sad about him leaving.
No more what people say about him
he is still the reason why I found hololive
Dam this video is really professional for the first one keep up the work!!!
Thanks! I confess that this isn’t my first work ever, but it’s definitely among my best. I’m not quite satisfied with it, so I gotta figure out how to make the next one better.
@@tiersonshideaway yeah I get it, but it was entertaining to watch so props,gl on future videos because ama be watching
I love how the internet works. People making video about people to people.
In my opinion I think the videos served a specific purpose. There will always be a side of the casual audience who doesnt care about nuances or privacy of the talents and will look to find more information, which often leads going into forums that may have untrue or straight up false information that is negative. Nousagi parsed that info to "quench" the thirst of these people respectfully and safely so people dont end up believing information thats not true, and he did it without doxxing the talents.
He has returned now.
Sooo... he doxxed them by putting public videos and information together and not any irl names or addresses???
Then what the heck are you doing?
If the very reason we still have Rushia, Coco, and Pikamee is because we made these connections and continue to support them and not force them to start from ground 0 does it matter???
Vtubers can only ever end in 1 of 2 ways.
Graduation or Termination
And i dont intend letting either of those stop me from being a fan of my faborite vtuber no matter where their venture goes.
Looks like we have a new Vtuber historian... *SUBSCRIBED*
Well I hope this youtube channel does not walk the same path Nousagi walked and too deep into this hole.
Next, the rise and fall of tierson's hideaway
Someday
Its definitely a shame to see him go and this whole thing was clearly blown way out of proportion. In generally I would say the whole subject of Vtubers and their past/alternative identities is way too sensitive and always seem to incur hatred even when it is undeserved. I can see why some people would feel its shady to make videos of this kind excusive to his patreon but it also makes sense that to keep it off his main channel so its not so easy for anyone to randomly come across, especially if they would rather not know about this kind of thing.
While I am not rly angry at him, I understand that what he did was wrong.
- Some of the public information were not left by them on purpose and there already existed many vtubers who were harmed by having their previous persona revealed.
- What is more him showing their faces is big no for any youtube/twitch/etc creator if they did not do that them selves and again many creators were harmed by this type of doxing. It lets people find your real identity and where they live, it lets some people stoke them and might even result in something much worse happening.
What he did doesn't sound as bad as it actually was, not telling names and address is obvious thing but face is on close to similar level and even if nothing bad happened to them because of that, if he kept on doing that it would just take time for something bad to happen.
Also I find him leaving vtuber "rabbit hole" controversial in itself as even if he was cancelled (rly weakly I would say), it should not effect much him watching vtubers.
So him leaving, makes it look like he started to make vtuber content simply for money.
1. He was using Pekora mascot as representation of himself, despite seemingly her not being her oshi as he not made even one video about her. So it felt like he was using her popularity to jumpstart his channel.
2. He was pretty much drama channel, that started to make other videos only because there was not enough happening for more drama content.
3.Him starting with Jojo memes is bad sign in itself as I don't think that those were made by him and it again feels like he was trying to use them to jumpstart his channel.
4.What is more him not understanding that what he is doing is if not bad, than it is in at least gray area and over all taboo in vtuber culture somewhat shows that he wasn't rly as much part of this community,
While I might be mistaken his channel over all feels like fame/cash grab by using their fame. He was even taking donations, having patreon and extra channel stuff.
Oh my finale bad sign of him was that after his fist livestream where he started to get super chats, he suddenly started to do those livestream like every week and all of them ware also kind a sus, most of them were tier list streams, he even made 3 super chat reading streams which is rly strange by itself and finally graduation stream which the most look like cash grab as if he wanted to use people good will to take as much as he can before leaving.
Man i really will never be able to understand this mindset of people who can get hurt by words on the internet
Well, if said words were offensive or hateful then yes people can get mad. But I get your point, sometimes people overreact on too many things that aren’t even that bad.
Depressed nousagi really be living the "depressed" in his name bruh
Bruce Wayne is Amelia Watson
and Clark Ken is Takanashi Kiara
No wonder Depressed Nousagi was hit
that its classified information (?)
Joking aside, I think most people could find for themselves past public work from Kiara and Amelia
just like the open secret of Mori Calliope which we keep to ourself and don't bring it up on her streams out of respect
Honestly, I am still confused as the backlass Depressed Nousagi received
since its great to have these information, at least the one that we have access that doesn't invade their privacy
it would be another thing it this involved more than their past work though
as that is going into being plain creepy
Who's going to do the deep diving Vtuber stories now?
Someone like depressed nousagi will rise again dont worry.
@@pisaschitt787
but will they have as much integrity as him?
@@uteriel282 Anyone capable can take over, for as long as they've learned the boundaries of what they can and cannot do. There is wisdom from firsthand experience; and there is also wisdom earned by learning from the experiences of others.
2:59 Coco never stated that she left Hololive because of the antis, it is a common misinformation. She said that she left because of creative differences with the company.
Will remember. Thanks!
Is it funny how discovering your channel and watching some of your video, I view you as his replacement! That being said, he is still alived and still making Vtuber videos.
There's definitely some inspiration taken from Nousagi. Especially my early thumbnails, which were basically ripped from his style. However, I don't think I'm capable of replacing him ever. He has a bunch of insights that just never occurred to me.
There used to be a bunch of comments saying I was the "new nousagi", but I never took those seriously, since I can't and don't want to try and replace him.
he was one of the boys, sad how this happened
Still is one of the boys, and I'll crack open a cold one for him.
So now have Vtuber historians historian. Ogey.
Showing vtubers faces is scummy, unless its Artia's
He should have not shared IRL faces of the Vtubers. That point alone put him as immediately guilty of all charges.
Hey, just saying you can find most faces of Vtubers on RUclips with as much as a simple x-vtubers name + face reveal. Chances are you find many compiled Facereveal Videos of various Indie and Agency Vtubers with a lot of those face reveals not necessarily being with the consent of the Individuals.
Giving DN heat for sharing public Information behind a paywall, and by extension not necessarily more than what you would find on youtube anyway with a bit of searching, makes you just look like a hypocrit and an idiot.
I don't know. Now that he is now kind of hated maybe I can now have more respect for him, just a little but I really don't like his videos because I always feel they're lacking more profound research in them
The way I take it is that if a Vtuber is willing to show off personal information on their OWN channel and are comfortable with occasional face cams then sure, he should be free to make videos like this. But the Hololive girls were not doing this and that should’ve been a pretty telling sign that they don’t want their IRL faces to be known to the general public, and using the excuse of just using a picture from an old alternative accounts is just not a good excuse in my opinion. I’m sure there’s plenty of indies he could’ve asked to do this and it would’ve been just as interesting and avoided this whole thing in the end. Just how I view this whole thing
Nice vid hope you're doing well 👍
I think the part that crossed the line was the Ame video. Unlike the other talents she nuked her prior online identities or privated them. She has made it abundantly clear she does not want to exist in the public eye outside Hololive.
Well... we lost a great vtuber historian.
question is, who started and circulated the the lies
4chan
4chan was the earliest the accusations of doxing I could find. Accusations of address leaks seemed to be because people interpret a dox specifically as an address leak, so the initial accusation may have become it’s own misinformation.
The idea of putting sensitive information behind some sort of lock seems like a Grey area, but it's definitely in the category of "doing something wrong with good intentions". That information should not be aggregated and distributed, even if all he did was copy and paste what was available somewhere else, by collecting, indexing and referencing it, is enough to make it dangerous.
The information per se was possibly "non-actionable" but there are instances where it is enough to make it possible to track somehow a person.
Finally, yeah, if he returns it will be controversial, whether he comes back in the same persona or a different one.
But I do believe in second chances in the Cancelation Era, because people has to learn from their mistakes. If they return without learning or repeating them, that's it, but for as long as they show they have learned and don't make the same mistakes, then I think it's fair to let them continue instead of consistently throwing at them something they did wrong.
Growing up is essential to the human nature and moving past personal views and mistakes is necessary for living a good life and becoming a contributing member of society. Without giving the chance to act upon this learning is the same as expecting people to be perfect from the get go and if DN is just about to start his university education, that means he has way too much to learn about.. Everything! Life, himself, society, social faux-pas and many other lessons that come with age and by screwing up.
I am not saying that I forgive him, no, but I want give people who makes mistakes like he did a second chance.
Anyways, in any case, it will be pretty long until we hear about him again 🤷♂️
There is also a point to be made that if the correct information is gather in "hidden in plain sight" place (like on patreon, where people who really want to find out can easily find but it's hidden enough not to be spread all around the internet and for someone to find by mistake) it could help with weeding out this fake stuff and the miss information. as someone who went in and tried to find out more info by scouring the net, there is a lot of fake stuff out there that could be dangerous to the talents (and other people) and that could create a lot of drama (like completely fake stories about their past lives or linking the wrong people to a vtuber). his archive could have been a necessary evil to avoid worse stuff
Here is what I think we can learn from this:
You can, legally and morally, talk about public information on vtuber talent and linking their different personas, as long you do so in a respectful and responsible manner.
However, you can't do it while being perceived as part of the general fan community, and you can't do it in their spaces. Unlike reddit or discord, RUclips and Twitter have no clear separation of communities, and being used by actual v-tubers makes them part of "their" space. If you do this kind of content you are persona non grata on those platforms, even if you post your actual "doxxing" stuff elsewhere.
He cover the two talents are very against of their past being shown.
Great video
He didn't dox anyone he just talked about their previous lives.
I don't think he should've done that but there was no malice behind it.
I've said that from the start. And having seen a few of the pateron vids, no one was missing out on anything most of it everyone knows about already. I actually blame Khyo and FalseEyeD for not specifying what info was being shared. They only ignited his dogpiling.
@@Mondoness that's drama channels do unfortunatly; No matter how good or trust worthy they are it's only the clickbaity titles and nubers of views that count to them. That's why I never trust them
@@Goat81093 big yup. and tbh it just paints the vtuber community in a bad light , literally acting as sheeple.
@@Mondoness honestly most fandoms I been on mostly are full of sheeple. It's not the communities that are dumb it's people in general. I still don't get why they are so easy to persuade and manipulate
No one talked about vtuber content and vtubers i general the same way he did, the guy was very passionate about it and never wanted to harm anyone, unlike many clippers and retard fans that always try to paint people in a wrong canvas just so that they can feel better about themselves and the the shit they do on the internet
Good vid! Thanks.
“But one thing thats for sure if depressed nousagi came back it would be controversial”
You might want to retract that statement, he is back but twitter aint talking about him ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Some things don't age well. Can't be right all the time.
@@tiersonshideaway Funny enough I saw another video on the same topic that concluded with a similar stance, it went like "But one thing that's for sure, if he returns the community wont be welcoming"
ruclips.net/video/MUo8XMwzBMI/видео.html
Ah how the milk aged. He's back but he only kept his loyal fanbase (I mean he did a loli video yesterday but there are no pitchforks). This "Fanbase Filtering" phoenemon is similar to when iDubbz "fell", I forgot the exact term for it but yeah...
@@MagnificentCreature The phrase definitely aged like milk. I should have remembered that people on the internet generally don't care all that much about this kind of stuff after a month.
Oh well, lessons for the future.
I feel like this guy is going to be the next nousagi, mark my words
I truly believe he didn’t mean any harm and only paywalled the “doxing” videos to preserve their past history while keeping it less accessible to general audiences. It wasn’t a great idea, but I get why he was doing it as a vtuber historian. I feel bad for him and wish him the best
This imo, shows how toxic current vtubing industry. It's one thing if those talents did not meant to share their irl identity online, but both of them are irl streamers and kiara still stream in her other identity. So is there doxxing that could magically occur? No, if I really wanted to dox her a simple google search would be more than enough. Nice video btw, I think DN wanted to leave but maybe he wanted a pushback so that he won't get motivated again to post new videos
He has no permission to share and distribute personal information and he profited from it. He clearly crosses the line.
@@kazedcat Technically he doesn't, so you are correct in this one. However like I said the people who he distributed their information were already online, they had an online identity i.e. streamers. Like imagine if I was a streamer and someone just made a clip of my stream, he didn't dox me, he just clipped from an *already* available source. The other dumb argument is that he shouldn't profit. There's no law against profiting from information, it's almost the same as buying a bottle and reselling it for higher price. Are you dumb?
@@lazyh0rse No the law he violated is Copyright Infringement. Vtuber characters are property of Hololive and he needed to ask permission from hololive to use it for profit. Also Hololive's derivative content permission has an escape provision that makes it invalid if the talent objected to the content. Hololive can nail his ass and if Hololive brings the case to the Phillipines he can be nailed with invasion of privacy.
@@kazedcat There is no such thing as copyright on the internet, come on. It's just something that corporations abuse to control their reputation. Like, "I hate that you used my photo that are all over the internet just because I hate you". This is exactly the situation you are describing. The only reason they hold this power is because they have the capital to enforce it, otherwise they can't control the media as much as they want. What I'm saying here is that these rules are dumb, only insecure and big corporations use even though they are not logical
@@lazyh0rse The law is hard but the law is the law. Hololive will nail his ass if the talent complains about his content. He should have read the fine print of Hololive's derivative content permission before doing things that might antagonized the talents.
People dont understand how serious it was at the time. Nousagi was in the massive shit deservedly so. He monitized the doxx. Like thats super no no.
Especially cuz Nousagi was not random channel, he was very well known. Things could had been way worse. Career ending stuff.
Nousagi nuked his channel, post apologies vids and admitted. He did everything right after a big bs. Like everything right. Good for him.
I love his contents. Fans forgave him.
He said it in stream something like "People who have things, wont do anything (to ruins what they have). "
See what sup to the black guy wanna be rapper with 2 sec of Ame irl. Professional have standard. What Nousagi did back then was not professional.
He is now a professional.
Stop saying that its was not a big deal. It was.
Professional? Not quite.
I haven't seen his Patreon videos, but as I understand it, the issue wasn't that he doxxed Kiara and Watson in the videos themselves, but that he linked to sources which doxx them -- as in, the sources he got his information from, which were clearly linked within the video descriptions, contain the names and addresses of the talents in addition to the information featured in the video.
So while Nousagi didn't directly doxx them, he did facilitate easier doxxing of them by bringing extra traffic to doxx sites.
I may be mistaken in that, but that is my understanding from the FalseEyeD video and a couple other online sources, at least.
The most recited accusation was that he doxxed Hilo live talent. I only found links for the video on Kiara.
A good chunk of those links were news sites, with one link to kiwi farms. I read through that link and didn’t see anything harmful. Although, there were a lot of Antis.
There may be something I didn’t see, but I don’t think he linked to anything especially important.
Sometime, knowing too much is dangerous.
I think it wasn’t knowing too much that brought him down, it was not knowing what to share.
As unfortunate it is that a lot of things is happening around Depressed Nousagi, I still can't help but be pissed off and angry for what he did.
and he did what exactly?
He not even bad in slighlest compared to actual antis....
He didn't really do anything, he basically was just stating things we already know
Calli is also demondice, I know its hard to believe
@@leonrussell9607 i know that but i wanna hear it from the guy that made the comment. i wanna know what exactly nousagi did to "piss him off"
He didn't do shit worth malding about, you're just an anti
I’m glad he came back. He was genuinely sorry. I don’t think he realized what the impact of his actions would be and as soon as he was told, he shut it down and apologized. Not sure what more he can do other than just commit to being better.
He could have probably just posted a clown face for ame... and everyone else for the hololive LEL
Edit:
1. Historical records -> book burners
2. Doxxers -> Even if not illegal is uncool
I see no conflict here. Lots of necessary things are uncool. Just tank the hit and move on.
Some people take this shit way too seriously.
so this is the video that made everyone lose street cred of this channel. Interesting...
Is it? I posted this when I had zero subs on the channel. I have no idea what the rep of this channel even is anyways, as I've never done any checks or whatnot.
well i havent heard anything negative as of late. Just people seem to rememeber this one. I guess it hasnt aged well, but the rest of the content seems to be fine i guess.@@tiersonshideaway
@@octobomb Really. To be honest, I hadn't heard anything of its reception. I don't go looking for that kind of stuff.
It's very much a possibility of not aging well, but I got no idea myself.
If I had to guess, it's because of the controversy surrounding the topic, rather than the video itself, and people having different ideas of what is and isn't acceptable conduct.
Either way, thanks for letting me know. I had no idea.
@@octobomb why this channel lost "street cred" for this video? I'm a proper Nousagi fan. Everyone who knows what sup will aceept Nousagi stepped way out of bound. Nousagi himself will tell you that.
Documenting about Nousagi is a part of the history too. Nousagi himself did way more spicy content. I don't think he mind. Or tiers son need to care.
@@PiscestheDirty of course nousagi is not likely to care if such a video exist. But that is using him as the argument when the whole topic was the viewers and not nousagi.
To be honest, I'm on the camp of "do not touch vtubers past life" and disappointed in him. But Im willing to give him the benefit of a doubt just because his readily available contents on his channel is quality contents, full of well researched details and care about the object of the topic. And well, he mentioned that he is going to university soon, that means we can assume that he is around 17 - 19 y/o which is understandable if his way of thinking, underestimating his influence and overestimating his audience, is not matured yet. I personally would love to see him come back someday but by the time he's back I bet there is another channel as dedicated to vtubers as his, or maybe even more dedicated.
I’m with you on that. I have nothing against people investigating on their own for personal interest, but the moment you post about their past lives publicly, and in this case charge money for it, that’s crossing the line for me. Dude went way too far and I’m ashamed I used to sub to him before learning all this.
@@trevorweisberg8470 Well, in the eyes of middle aged man like me, he is still immature so that is why I don't really get that feeling of shame you experienced. I give him a benefit of a doubt about him not having malicious intent even though he really underestimated the internet. The one statement that made me think that is, paraphrasing of course, "I can recover if I play my cards right", "I know all about drama, this fire will died out in a couple of weeks". But then I have to commend him for realizing that, "this stigma will stick with me wherever I go". In the end him leaving the scene right now is the best decision for all parties.
This made me remember of Pro Jared and his scandal 1 - 2 years ago. I lost my respect for him, he could never really recover, but he handled the allegations towards him gracefully IMO.
@@samsolitaryroll Yeah, I remember Jared too. Used to subscribe to him but slowly lost interest after the incident and resolution then eventually unsubbed.
I still don’t really know what to think about depressed nousagi. I did enjoy his videos and they were all very well researched, but the past life stuff is always going to be a grey area no matter how respectful you try to be with it.
Also to be honest I was kind of looking for a reason to unsubscribe from him, I’d hopped into a few of his streams before and he had this slideshow of memes that I found to be kind of disgusting? They weren’t even funny and actively made me stop watching because of how off putting to me they were. It really soured my opinion of him before all of this drama even happened.
That was one element I didn’t discuss because it didn’t really fit properly into the video. His sense of humor is a bit weird and off putting to some.
It’s one of those things where some will care and some won’t.
I'm glad he's back. I bet he has learned from his mistakes.
I'm glad he's back too. He makes good videos.
Nousagi's drama is overblown. That's about it.
Wait are you following he foot step, Interesting I observed what would happen in this community Good Luck
Maybe.
@@tiersonshideaway I forgot to subscribe you give me a Hint
For me it depends. If the information that he is giving out is something that a vtuber is actively trying to hide (stuff they deleted for example), I think it’s inconsiderate and a little weird to dig into their past like some kind of detective recovering scraps from the internet.
I think people’s privacy should be respected. If people want to do their own research, fine. But publicizing research to an audience if it’s stuff the vtuber doesn’t want known is probably bad. Photographs of them irl should have never been posted, that’s a major breach of privacy for someone that is trying to stay anonymous. Those photographs could be considered doxxing, it was not ok.
Overall, I can’t say I approve of his actions. I think he went a little too far. People shouldn’t have lied about him though, obviously not justified.
Nux hasn't fallen too far but he'd be interesting to cover
Dang this is really good
He was
Not that it was a secret. Almost everyone can found that info in 2-3 clicks. Too much hype.
people are just too lazy these days
There's an old saying before that goes like this to an author of a popular book: "everything you wrote is the thruth, but you might lose your head for it."
I don't find his videos offensive nor manipulative since he is merely telling the truth. You can never please anyone in this world which applies the majority rule...
By the way, the person in question is back a few months ago.
In reference to the last sentence:
Oh I know. I need to make a part 2.
It's only fair, I think.
@@tiersonshideaway then I'll watch your part 2.
Depressed Nousagi at least put these videos behind a wall with disclaimers, but people are not bashing those who are putting info out there openly?
If anyone here watched "past lives of vtubers" or "past identities of X" you know what I mean, and on those videos, almost nobody cares.
True. I’ve seen a good chunk of identities exposed on vtuber reddits.
If he himself hides his real face, what's his right to unveil other people's faces? They could literally track down the talents irl now. "This is part of history" seems like a justification he pulled out of his ass last minute. If you're going to report then do it correctly like False does.
Glad to see him gone. Let Vtubers be vtubers. Let people enjoy them. We don't want to know these things. At the best, ee might want to know when they finalky graduate and we miss them, and yet, they themselves graduated and should be aklowed to live their lives safely.
This video is long out of date. He came back in April.
@@tiersonshideaway Oh. That sucks. IMHO, thanks for updating 👍
@@hrodgarthevegan womp womp??
Depressed Nousagi, if you read this one day, be proud of yourself. Your videos were objective, had source and when those sources were frail you were honest about it, in short quality informative videos. I hope you're happy in your life now.
I don't think showing someone's face is doxxing, but I'm not native speaker so I don't know for sure
Depressed Nousagi became depressed for real. Guess someone really doesn't like to see him being successfully spreading Vtuber's culture. I wish him well, maybe he'll come back again one day as "Nousagi"
I myself find it stupid to post someone’s identity while there (in simple terms) hiding it. This is probably due to a reason and we don’t know what that is for all we know some of these vtubers could go and be so insecure about themselves that they will try to avoid most things which could lead to loneliness and other nasty effects. So yes in my eyes it is stupid to do something like that and even if the vtuber just likes to be a vtuber and is fine with there face seen it is still a bit sad because i would atleast think that they would have wanted to reveal that themselves. So my take on it is that he went to far. With that said i hope kiara and wattson are fine and wish all of you good luck and have a nice day
Btw this isn’t saying that what he did was bad just not thought out right. He might of thought he wanted to do good but not everything we see as is is the way of good or bad so I don’t blame him also I don’t have any hate towards him i just wanted to state my opinion and also if someone sees this and you thought i was saying that what he did was bad then am sorry for that. Am not the best in writing
It would be way easier to judge these doxing videos if one could watch them. It does seem like he planned on leaving anyway because of health and him going to university.
Without the videos, the public lacks the proper information to make a sound judgement. His leaving absolutely sounds like it has been planned for a while.
@@tiersonshideaway he said on his stream he planned on leaving in January/February
Nice vid
This is jokes man amazing shii bro!
Man I will miss him
I will too.