Farrell's Escape & The Great Gats
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An emergency pod is called as Lord Mike Tindall summons Jonathan "Fox" Davies to react to the huge news of Owen Farrell's red card being overturned.
Earlier in the week our dynamic duo met up in Wales with Head Coach Warren Gatland who is set to name his Rugby World Cup squad for France RWC 2023.
It’s been a turbulent year for Wales with injuries, retirements and off field politics. However, there is optimism in the air following the World Cup warm-ups v England.
0:01 - Hello Dream Team
1:08 - The Farrell Red Card
8:50 - Unnecessary Pressure?
10:40 - Stories of the Vale
12:12 - British Airways Highflyer
14:09 - Warren Gatland joins us
19:28 - Changing of the old guard
22:23 - Reflecting on the strike
28:08 - A Young Wales
34:07 - Warm-Up Games
41:20 - Plotting Combos
47:54 - The Contact Area Law's
53:25 - Eddie Jones - Grenades
59:53 - Gats on Foxy
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I'm English, and a big fan of Farrell, and was disappointed it was rescinded.
Carriers height barely changes, Farrells arm is tucked - which is a foul, so mitigation should not apply. Should be a red.
‘Barely’
Was ambivalent on the issue...then Ford might go back to the bench...mmm 🤣🤣Fair tackle all day
Can't believe Farrell's red was rescinded - the fact that Rugby continues to succeed in spite of World Rugby and the RFU is beyond me
but it doesn't succeed. type in moving graph into youtube and watch the viewing figures for all sports... rugby since its gone professional hos got worse every single year !
As an Englishman, I agree the RFU is a stain on the game. Just look at the state of our domestic game. Now this - absolute laughing stock!
its a bizarre decision.
Decision was made by an Independent Review Panel, made up of 3 Australians and representation from Kings Council for Farrell . I think that World Rugby needs to challenge this decision. Shocking!
Bill Beaumont head of world rugby there's your answer
The issue around Esterhuizen wasn't head contact Mike, it was a shoulder charge with no attempt to wrap...all we called for was a damn penalty...it was a penalty all day long and Angus Gardner crumbled in front of an English crowd.
Correct
The red was rescinded so that the bugger could play in the world cup ... for no other reason !
Basically
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Corruption seepage isn't a good look in Rugby
@@taniagodwin2138 umm... When is it ever regardless of whether it's rugby or other??
@@potatowaffle5653 Rugby used to pride itself on upholding inappropriate and illegal behaviour, that's why.
The tackle on Esterhuizen was never a question of a head shot Tindall , it was a shoulder charge.
These Poms like to get so so much wrong smh
He said exactly that. He didn't wrap. That said, I can't believe Farrell hasn't been banned for his last afray. Disgrace.
He was initially talking about SA supporters complaining it was a high tackle and how Farrell clearly made contact with the ball first.
Dylan was a serial offender, Sexton had a clean record, Faz is also a serial offender, try to keep the context , the sad thing that all you have discussed is how to get Farrell off and nothing about the fact Basham failed a HIA and the tests he will miss and players safety in general
Farrell is a serial offender too.
@@donsland1610Faz and Farrell is the same person😂
This kind of decision drives youngest players away. It worries the parents! World Rugby needs to grow a pair and step in and appeal this decision. Farrell went to tackle school and at every point the tackle he initiated was wrong!
There is no mitigation. He should be banned. Trying to do mental gymnastics to work out how to get Farrell into the world cup isn't how thw system works. Safety is priority!
We will now see if safety is important
It’s hard to quantify Gatland’s worth as his holistic experience is priceless. In terms of Farrell, I believe public opinion will force World Rugby to appeal the judgment with a view to maintaining the integrity of the laws of rugby and the importance of player welfare. This is now a much bigger issue.
The most comparable incident is PSDT vs France last year, red card and 3 week ban (mitigated down from 6 for a clean record) for a head clash. He was pushed into the tackle by Kwagga Smith. Not saying PSDT didn’t deserve what he got just that if this wasn’t a farce both incidents should have had the same outcome
I think for me even without the George attempt at tackling Basham, Farrell at no point tried to lower his body position and make a legal tackle. He has history with his poor tackling at times, how much longer before one of his hits ends up causing a serious injury which results in the injured player having to leave the game.
It wasn't even that, he was in a lower position before the tackle then lifted up for the tackle. I can't believe that after so many incidents he doesn't yet know how to tackle, so I have to believe that it's a deliberate move. RFU must have a hypnotist for a lawyer...
Watch it again, Farrell has knees bent and was significantly lower than the ball carrier
@@TheDandob1982Spot on. With all the negative comments, I can only conclude that no-one has actually watched the footage - and considered the live speed of the action. The reasons given by the disciplinary committee are very clear and exactly what you can see in the video. There is no mystery or conspiracy. Have yet to read a coherent argument against the decision to rescind the red card.
@@jameshogan1970another way to look at it is by analysing the actual efficacy of his tackle technique. It’s impactful ‘when’ it comes off, but without the wrap is at risk of missing the tackle all together - let alone the risk of illegality. The ABs had the same issue with SBW for years.
@@TheDandob1982 and then he stood up and drove his shoulder into his head and George's involvement didn't make him do it.
The first player with a Farrell tackle in the RWC will be made an example of...just because of this ridiculous overturned red card...just watch!
Might even happen this weekend in Dublin!
South Africans were embarrassed by Rassie ,even though he made some valid points about the officials, glad to see the English outraged by this rescinding of Owen Farrell.
No one has been happy about this decision. Surely that should make world rugby sit up and act?
I see Farrell's great escape as an opportunity lost for England to change things up a bit.
Will these people give it a bloody rest,I'm sick of this.Just let me get this straight, we're talking about Owen Farrell not Dylan Hartley and not Johnny Sexton. Johnny Sexton got a 3 match ban,Dylan Hartley has a long history of his behaviour and is also a dirty dangerous player.Stop comparing these cases please,remember Johnny Sexton had to wait over 2 months for his decision. Talk about Dirtbird Owen Farrell.
Agree with you completely @jonbrook4009. I was looking forward to the possibility of seeing England at least attempt to play with a bit of imagination, ambition and (dare I say it) flair in the group stages but I guess now we are back to a talented backline who sadly will never get the ball in their hands.
@@gerrygeraghty4992 Owen Farrell doesn't have a history of illegal, dangerous, tackles???
@@GrumpaGladstone1809 He's obviously not counting the ones he got away with.
@@gerrygeraghty4992Farell has been suspended 3 times for these kind of hits. The most recent of which was in January 2023 the suspension was reduced because he went to tackle school. Obviously he didn't learn anything.
Mike, The tackle on Esterhuizen was a red all day long. the red should have been for a shoulder charge (no wrap) not for the height of the tackle.
The officials on that day are more culpable than Owen...
Exactly! Arm free shoulder charges are deliberate foul play where ever they land on the ball carrier.
The fact that you think it was the ball that made OF's tackle on Esterhuizen a problem reflects that you haven't watched it recently. In slow mo you can see his shoulder hits above the ball. In real speed it is an obvious 6 match ban. There is a lot of English people acknowledging the problem with this decision to rescind the red card, but gaslighting themselves with the odd caveat here or there. This was disgraceful show of either favouritism or incompetence. Maybe both. The law should stand flat, unerring and simple in its application with no world cups or otherwise being a factor. End of.
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I love how you smirk at the QC question and really struggle to call out your mates for this horrendous situation. How about we clarify that one of the judiciary members (David Croft) works for Sports and Entertainment Limited for sports management and guess who one of their clients are... Mike Tindall. Who'd have thought.
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Farrell should be sent off for any shoulder charge tackle, let alone one that hits the head. It's deliberate foul play, so a straight red.
Watching live I said Farrell’s in trouble if they review that. Watching the replays on TV I thought possibly mitigation due to Jamie George’s impact on the situation. Since then I have watched numerous clips and now believe it should be a red. Farrell was never low enough to make the tackle and it was clear that he was going to go in to tackle. Yes, George did have an effect but Farrell never wrapped an arm, had his arm tucked and made straight contact with the head. I am an England fan and wanted it to be a yellow but when compared to many other red cards given think this decision is a joke.
Bare in mind Dylan 6:33 was a serial offender, he couldn't get any reductions because of his long history of Bans.
Keep the context in place please.
Faz isn't a serial offender?
@@WhyHandlesNow he is but Hartley had been banned 3 or 4 times by the point of time the lads are discussing.
Owen is on 2 as far as I know....
Consistently inconsistent that's the only way to describe World Rugby right now
World Rugby must make this record straight and appeal the decision. Otherwise they're putting the whole RWC in jeopardy and possible arguments whenever "this" happens again. This is a childishly thought decision with apparently no alignment and consistency. Unbelievable and so utterly stupid and amator
👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 well said
Tinds referenced tackle on Esterhuizen - that had nothing to do with head contact - it was a tackle without arms - illegal - full stop! Penalty at least.
Tinds said it was a case of did he wrap... Do people even listen anymore? I hate they decided this tho. Makes the tackle law bogus if you are a certain player!
I think the bunker actually made the case easier to dismiss.... If the referee on tv stands there and says why there's no mitigation on national TV then gives the red then there's zero chance they outright overule him..
the fact the decision comes without the public spectacle of it makes me think its easier to sweep under the rug
Underrated observation. Only caveat is if ref gets it wrong in the moment and uses a silly explanation, like Andrew Brace did for the Grant Williams incident
Hes a serial offender. Dangerous tackle. A red all day. Why should he escape punishment just because of the world cup? He does not deserve to be there
"Right side of the draw" ... not so sure any more. Fiji and Samoa look terrifying!
Fiji have won their last 3! Big game this weekend against France, match of the weekend perhaps! Good luck England. One can only hope FARRELL gets his summary justice at the world Cup, given he has engineered his way to get there!
All that talk of Farrell and his tackle, and then Jonathan "Fox" Davies batters that British Airways plug LOL
as a kiwi im glad farrell got off, not sure why he was given a red card, but in the current climate this is what happens when a guy dips his head into your shoulder, its the tacklers fault, the law is an ass, justice was done from the 2 aussies
Love to here the booing when Farrell kicks in RWC. He is a disgrace .. epitomy of arrogance .. never seen him apologise after his crap ..never mind ducking the press conference
The amazing thing is that one of v the guys who let off OF was the same guy who banned pSDT who was propelled into the French player by Kwagga Smith
Tins on his own, what a delight.
So much better without the performing fool Haskell chipping in and interrupting with his "feelings".......
The entire intro was how to get Farrell to the WC and how to manipulate the situation to keep everyone happy. The pressure on Faz! How about talking about player safety... the entire point of the law. Head injuries. Brain damage, etc!
The decision has already been made. I can’t imagine World Rugby listen to podcasts for opinions before making decisions.
Agreed, what a wild take “This is a silly manipulation of the rules, rather follow my more palatable manipulation”. Er, how about do the objectively correct thing irrespective of context
its all part of public opinion. seems to have had an impact@@TheDandob1982
@TheDandob1982 world rugby did it's own assessment as they always do. WR corresponds with coaches and refs on players they see with bad technique in any area and warn they will get picked up sooner or later. The eng coach has had that correspondence, and and they've been made aware of the technical issue Farrell has. Even the more lenient officials in the IRB know that's a red card. Let's see if the IRB has the capacity to SUCCESSFULLY appeal the decision.
0:01 - Hello Dream Team
1:08 - The Farrell Red Card
8:50 - Unnecessary Pressure?
10:40 - Stories of the Vale
12:12 - British Airways Highflyer
14:09 - Warren Gatland joins us
19:28 - Changing of the old guard
22:23 - Reflecting on the strike
28:08 - A Young Wales
34:07 - Warm-Up Games
41:20 - Plotting Combos
47:54 - The Contact Area Law's
53:25 - Eddie Jones - Grenades
59:53 - Gats on Foxy
Ben Earl has been really great for the last 3 or so years. Hope he gets loads more test time. Except against Scotland.
They said the attempted tackled by Jamie changed the direction of the player, which then didn't allow Farrell time to adjust his height.
They did not say that it changed the body height of the tackled player.
They used "change of dynamic" which feels deliberately vague. From watching it, basham is always moving from Farrell's right to left and barely changes his height. So no idea what mitigation the panel were looking at.
Bang on boys....this decision is bonkers!
It’s an absolute joke. And hard to understand Sean Edwards who I have huge respect for normally. Farrell was never in a body position to make a safe tackle. Totally upright, legs straight, leading with shoulder and zero arm wrap. So happy my son has stopped playing now.
He’s right rugby does need idols. George north was mine. My family all love rugby and watch it, I wasn’t interested that much when I was a young lad and would watch every now and then. But when George started I remember thinking the guy was an absolute beast and since that day I’ve watched every game.
🇮🇪 Irish fan. Like Owen but the fact that the other player got a HIA and failed shows its a red. It should have remained a red. Likewise sextons ban should have been longer. So the men on the ground get to make an informed decision and then the suits get to overturn it. The problem isn't exactly with Owen it's with the hierarchy.
Help me here: Rassie was banned for months and out of the World Cup for not respecting the system but a proven England goon rugby player when tackling illegally causing concussion gets support from England selectors? Is there no prejudice here?
Good to have you back fellas 👍
The future of the game has been compromised as parents will be pushing children towards other sports, as the concern over the safety of the player appears superficial. World Rugby need to act.
Here's hoping Gatland sends a squads worth of croissants over to the Australians hotel the morning before their group game
I've never seen any South African complain about that tackle in 2018 as being high. It was a shoulder charge. It was a penalty and potentially a yellow for high degree of danger. Given where it was, and the time on the clock it would have changed the outcome of the game.
The very next week he did the same thing against OZ, and should have been a penalty try and yellow card.
He's a terrible tackler. Given his repeated offences, he's like Lavinini at this point. Guy needs a lengthy ban potentially spending the next 2-3 months learning how to tackle from a high-school coach again. The fact that he's gotten away with it for this long is a disgrace to the RFU, and his bans how should be in the terms of months, not weeks.
And if he keeps it up.... years.
Honestly glad to see Faz get a chance to see play RWC.
A bit of a stretch comparing Dylan Hartley's disciplinary record with that of Sexton's. Before he got banned for abusing the ref, ON THE PITCH IN A FINAL, he'd been done for eye gouging, biting and punching. Sexton has five yellow cards in 350 games, no reds. He didn't call Peyper a cheat, just fcking useless, and maybe ten people heard him.
Well done both, some good rugby discussion.
What a disgrace. Nepotism at its finest. Farrell should have been given 6 weeks. Absolutely disgusting. Shame on Englands rugby board.
Davies and Tindall at theiir peak would have been a great Lions centre pairing....but peak Davies and Greenwood would have been better!
What got me more was the statement 'the official in the bunker hadn't enough time to make a decision', stupid. Mike T is correct, Sexton's ban was also wrong, should have been more.
Gatlands the most likeable coach
As grassroots rugby coach this kind of decision will kill the game 😤😤😤😤
only if you let it!
What message does recining the red card sends about how much World Rugby cares about player welfare. The player Farrell hit failed the HIA. That could come back to bit them in the World Cup.
No, he passed the overall HIA process.
If it was an independent review cant WR appeal and if so why havent they done it??? Makes a mockery of cards..
Think I’m looking forward to this season more than the World Cup haha!
Foxy's quads r enormous
Farrell now more a liability than an asset. W Borewick in chrg, ENG’s got enough probs. Sooner chance it w jst Ford & Smith, But w SB, anything’s poss, not much of it good IMO.
Gat's the myth the man and maybe soon the legend . Wales are lucky to have the world's best national coach £500k is nowhere near enough
You can literally count the games he's won over the last 4 years on one hand
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WTF not one venue in North Wales, thanks lads
Richard Smith is the only wizard here
Rassie would say 'the chicken has come to 🐓 to roost'
Mitigation does not apply if the player is illegal - it is written into the process.
This is incorrect, else there would be no yellow cards - by your logic, any foul play is an instant red.
@@Chris-jt4ux The process for head contact - there is a flowchart. Entitled idiot.
Hence it can't be a straight red card if there's head contact. Entitled mug. @@douglaswright2143
1)- when parents now refuse to let their children play, because they see that the establishment will not prioritise player welfare,(RFU, IRFU, IndependentPanel,,, it matters not: parents will not differentiate!), parents will act to protect their children.
Then the game suffers, and Owen Farrell is responsible.
Own the result, own the consequences!
2) - Owen Farrell needs to own this as a cheat. He employed the Kings Council to advocate on his behalf and owns both the outcome AND the consequences! In its most perverse (money and privilege) he has engineered an outcome that is based NOT on the game we watch, but the GAME of Lawyers and Barristers.
The moral thing for FARRELL to do, plead guilty, take your punishment ask for mitigation!
Like Sarries (refuse to open their books) cheats, cheats, cheats!
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Owen Farrell unless YOU speak up and ask for it to be reviewed as a wrong decision, you are now a cheat! Pure and simple!
Owen Farrell the cheat.
And it matters not, that you climb out of the gutter! The shit is still on your shoes!
And there we were thinking we were ADVANCING the game with TMO's, man in the bunker, 10 mins to make the final decision, etc etc.
I've never heard such Bolshy Ollox as came from the independent panel - stating there was no criticism of the TMO.
Read the book MIXED SIGNALS and understand how fcuked up this decision was! Mixed signals - ask the TMO (when he retires), if he thinks its not a criticism! So going forward, where does this leave safety in the game? Shocking!
Dealing with peoples lives, the dangers of impacts, and the SYSTEMS protecting them has GOT TO BE outside of the influence of the narrow views of selfish players and their game playing overpaid upper-class Barristers!
I speak as I find, and do my own analysis! Farrell - you're a CHEAT! Own it! Leaves a nasty taste in your mouth!
RFU corruption
Yawn. try again
Guys I’m an English fan and I can say they definitely got it wrong .
The "independent" review board are as independent as my arms are from my body.
A clearer example of a corrupt system has never been so clearly demonstrated.
The "another tackler caused a sudden and significant change" defence is bullshit. You only have to look back at Leitchs ban to see it. He got a 3 game ban AND the other tackling player actually affected the tackle situation.
Disgraceful.
You're clueless.
The esterhuizen hit was still a yellow card minimum - and that why we as South Africans are filthy about that.
How many other past red cards should/ could be rescinded on this call?
I honestly only see you guys talking in circles. No player should ever be exempt from their misadventures on the paddock no matter the season or any competition ahead. As a dyed in wool Kiwi, I would not want any player given a lesser sentence at any time. Inconsistency in due punishment of players, regardless of an approaching competition, is indefensible.
No longer defending his 'just stands tall technique' like you were after his red card against Wasps Tindall? and blaming other people for "perceiving how he tackles as incorrect". He's done it in so many games now you just have to accept, he knows exactly what he's doing. Also, his shoulder went directly into the face, most of the impact did not go through the ball, his shoulder went directly to the head and his lower arm hit the ball, still talking sh#te.
It's red every day of the week. How do we know that? Farrell was previously banned for the same offence. He's a repeat offender, his ban should probably have been 6 weeks, but i think in the spirit of the game it could have been mitigated to 3 weeks, specially considering Jamie George interaction. However tbh, repeat offender, no attempt to go low, no attempt to wrap, tucking in right arm and leading with the shoulder, in all fairness of the game i'd say a several week ban is completely in order.
Yawn
RE: Hartley v Sexton bans... Hartley had 36 weeks of bans before his 11 week ban for ref abuse. Sexton had 0..... There's your difference Mike
Sexton got 6 weeks, reduced to 3 because this was a first offense. Also, the game was over and he wasn't even playing in that game. Not fair to compare that with Hartley.
Farrell's record on tackling is hardly exemplary, so Sexton's case is not comparable.
Hartley had a disgraceful record sexton didn’t that’s why his punishment was lighter and sexton was after the game off microphone criticism of a ref not when the game was recording everything. Dylan Hartley and Johnny sexton are not the same thing.
I figure Farrell went to the Butch James tackle school
Farrell's 100% rugby league
The influence of the Aussi panel is self-protection and the protection of their own ignorant players & coaches.
The bans in general are too long, that's why it's worth bringing in KC's and leaving the laws in ruins as a result. Shorten the bans ...
The point is this has nothing to do with Faz. He has not made this decision but will cop the most for it which is not right. I agree this card should have stayed with a 3 week ban.
Get Simon Jordan on!
its a shame Richard Smith doesn't play inside centre
1st the ref had to judge foul play, not good enough
next Assistant Refs were allowed to intervene, not good enough
next the TMO were allowed to intervene, not good enough
next Archie Bunker introduced , not good enough
Whats next?
WR had nothing to do with this process - it ws under the authority of the 6N.
Feel like a bit of marketing! Create a controversial polarizing topic to have the news and pundits spit out building up to the world cup
Dylan Hartley had previous, which is why he got a long ban.
England look decent with Fordie pulling the strings tbf, I was thinking a wee ban wasn’t the worst and England seem to switch on when they’re in the sh!t
Is Ben Earl going be selected at number 8 and be the new Ardie Savea?
Past Fiji team u can squeeze. This Fiji team is deadly, Wales will lucky if they can squeeze fiji. I cannot wait.
These guys defending the "individual"(the offender) getting stick from social media is very poor. This is not a first offender, this is a very very serial offender that had to do remedial training just in january this year. Media plays the soft view of the impact so many times that people forget the front view where he completely cleans his clock. Unfortunately if it was a softer player that had to go off for an HIA from that head whiplash Farrel might have got what he deserves.
Absolutely atrocious. Sure hope the opening game against Argentina is a physical one for England...
AB supporter, nervous for Southern hemisphere and pacifica teams with clear bias. 3 Aussie panel means nothing. You see this crap in courts which is heartbreaking enough. You'd hope that sport you could get some equality and hope. Shoulder charge all day long, watched it live and called it as red. disgusting and better not ruin the "world cup"
Shoulder charge? Clueless. He attempted to wrap, hence the card was given for a high tackle, not a shoulder charge.
I wish i could share the memes i’ve been getting. 😂😂 Just for clarity, nothing wrong with bunker system, something wrong with the disciplinary committee.
Farrell will be booed in every game he plays in,has already been pulled from ireland game,this will only make things worse,instead of enjoying world cup,this saga will drag on and on till world rugby come to their senses znd over rule this disgusting ruling
Has already been pulled for the ireland game? Eh? The team has been announced.
Zero honour in the player!!
Be honourable and step down
This george Moala hit that got him suspended for 10 weeks, tell me what is worse Farrell or this🤷♂️
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There's one rule for England and other rules for the rest.
Yawn. grow up.
@@Chris-jt4ux That's rich coming from a pot bellied warm lager drinker and knotted hankerchief wearer. How long have you lot got away with dining out on the 1966 World cup which you cheated to win? England the only country that thinks beating smaller ones is worth jumping up and down screaming how great you are.
I would like to see a compilation of Farrell tackling legally.
Yawn.
@@Chris-jt4ux I refer you my previous comment
Why?
28:40 this is the penalty kick gats is talking about ruclips.net/video/qkMLzAyDRH8/видео.html