Nice strategy, I tried it on a bubble craps machine. Goal was to get to $100 and use that for my normal play. Even if your down $100 , you can quickly recover. I do hedge the first two steps with a $5 any seven then $5 any craps to get things started. If I have 2 extended 'shooters' (over 10) I jumped back to it expecting a short roll shooter. In at $300 out at $640. Eight 'shooters' , 74 rolls 15 minutes on machine. Thank You
I like to shoot the dice. This strategy looks good for waiting until the dice gets backs to me. Your videos are so informative. Keep up the great work.
I'm in love with this. Thank you for all the stats. Subscribing. Would you be willing to analyze the system of Squeeze Play going to a power press / collect progression?
@DiceData Either he's losing money on the "bet 7s pays 5 to 1" or he's losing money laying the 4/10. I say losing money because hedge bets always ends up working against the player at some point during the game.
This looks like a pretty cool strat... It also looks very similar to Waylan's Arnold from the don't. Id be curious to see how they compare against one another
I think the Arnold from the don't or the passline will beat this almost everytime. Anecdotally, I've never won with this system (played 4 ish times), and I've only lost once with the Arnold (played 20+ times)... So I'm likely a little biased lol
I like this idea but if i was playing @ a $15 table i would use lay bets when it was my advantage for a 7 to roll. I would also hop the 7 when i was looking @ losing 3 bets because of a dumb red. @ the $25 level i would never do in real life [too rich for my blood] but if i did for some reason, i would just leave it alone and let it roll out i guess. Or maybe just play for a shooter or 2 then change strats. Love the content, keep it up👍🏻
I wonder what would happen if you played this same simulation but stopped for those sessions that met a win goal of, say, $300 or $400. How many more winning sessions would you have? Playing out 10 shooters ensures you allow the house edge to do it's thing - which is take your money. Many of us stop when we reach a win goal. Have you ever thought of running your Sims in this manner?
I could analyze the results and figure this out. It's essentially the opposite of the bankroll analysis. They would stop when up by X, otherwise finish out the ten rolls.
I've played this 4 or 5 times, pretty strict... I've lost everytime. I've never been up more than 4 units and that only happened once. I'm surprised the house edge is so low
worth a shot to see if you will roll this out. It's called the Accordion strategy. Can be at any betting level but I do $25 since that's the norm where I am. Start with $160 across. After the first hit you regress to $110 inside, after the 2nd hit you regress to $30 6&8. You're out in 2 rolls with profit. 3rd hit you rack because the 7 is coming. The 4th hit you go back to $110 inside, the 5th hit back to $160 accross. Potentially in under 6 rolls you could be $160 across with a $15 profit at worst.
Love your channel…I play this strategy and I am up in the long run and get all my comps. I tweaked it a little by banking any wins. I don’t use wins to play if I lose one of my 4 original bets per player. I’ve found through rolling it out at home with the tweak and how Crappy plays it at the same time, I make more with the tweak. Wish I could compare all your simulated rolls with how I play it. Thanks for your videos!
I've played this a lot through the years. It's very similar to the "growth" strategy. The adjustment I've made (when I do play this) is instead of 25 come bet, I do 10 (if on 10 dollar table) with 15 dollar odds(16 if it travels to 5 or 9). This way you make more money if the number repeats. The downfall is if the shooter rolls a point 7. Then you only win 35 vs 50. That being said, the major problem with this strategy is getting your come bets onto numbers, shooter hits point then rolls a 7 right after on the come out. Pretty much the reason I don't use this strategy too often anymore. Contract bets are just plain bad.
@@DiceData I mean its still a 25 dollar bet but the odds give you a little extra lol except on the point 7 or if you trying just to stay even. Love the videos keep up the great work.
Another great video. Thank you. On one of your first videos there was a discussion about possibly putting these into a spreadsheet so they could be compared alongside one another. Have you given that anymore consideration? Another RUclipsr that I follow has a sheet setup for the FOREX and Crypto trading strategies he tests. I was going to attach a clip of it but it won't let me on here. If you'd like to see it just message me and I'll send it to you. This could easily be created very similar. A column I especially like is the last which links to the strategy in his RUclips channel and could possibly lead to more views of your videos by others. Some of the other columns could be the obvious ones, overall house edge of the strategy, percentage of win/loss for +/-$100, +/-$200, recommended bankroll, etc...basically all the same information you're already including at the end of the videos.
@@DiceData I sent you a message via your website form since I can't attach images here. I couldn't on your form either. But at least you have my email if you want to contact me and I can send to you. I could post a link here to his google sheet but not sure if that's allowed.
The question is what win goal would be the best?! What if you always leave up $100+ at the end of a roll for example. I wonder how many of those losses would be eliminated.
So what happens if the shooter hits the point and you lose your DP but still have both come bets and the DC bet all up? Do you just let the shooter keep going and hope to collect on your come and don’t come bets? What if he hits 1 of the come bets after losing your DP?
Question for all of you: This claims to be a great way to generate comps but wouldn't the person rating just 0 you out comp wise (due to this being a hedging system) or being generous, give you a $25 rating?
This is not exactly how this works. If any of the come bets win he sets a second DC and doesn’t replace the come bet. Recommend you go back and watch his videos. This will make a difference.
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Nice strategy, I tried it on a bubble craps machine. Goal was to get to $100 and use that for my normal play. Even if your down $100 , you can quickly recover. I do hedge the first two steps with a $5 any seven then $5 any craps to get things started. If I have 2 extended 'shooters' (over 10) I jumped back to it expecting a short roll shooter. In at $300 out at $640. Eight 'shooters' , 74 rolls 15 minutes on machine. Thank You
I like to shoot the dice. This strategy looks good for waiting until the dice gets backs to me. Your videos are so informative. Keep up the great work.
Yeah I was thinking the same, great way to bide your time!
You have the most interesting and informative craps videos!
@@jeffnoble9757 thank you 😊
Great Video! I would love to see a video like this with the Arnold Strategy.
Coming soon!
Nice low house edge. Nice. I like it. 3 out of 5 is great chance of walking away at a good time. Good cruise strat. Thanks!
Thanks so much for running this. Enjoy your videos
@@HankHoshall my pleasure, thanks for watching
Looking for those low house edges under 2 percent. Like this one and Arnold you ran from the DP
I saw this strategy on Crappys channel a while back & it has become one of my go to's at the craps table. Crappy has some really good strategies. 👍
He sure does!
I'm in love with this. Thank you for all the stats. Subscribing. Would you be willing to analyze the system of Squeeze Play going to a power press / collect progression?
I'll add it to the list. I do want to do a power press strategy soon.
Love crappy’s content
I’d love to see how this would play out with max odds on everything. Really interesting stuff!
I love getting to see the long game with some great RUclips strategys.
@@KG-Punk glad you enjoy
would like a simulation of waylons MIND STRATEGY" . Love your channel. thank you. . .
Great suggestion!
Id love to see so many of Waylan's strategies analyzed on here... He's a genius, but since tragedies are definately better than others
I’ve played this in a casino many times if you hedge against the seven on the come out, I have never lost. I walk after up about 100 or $150.
Where do you hedge, on the any 7?
If you HOP the 7 it pays a little better. 5 to 1 effective return rather than 4 to 1 for the “Any 7” you see on most tables
Man stop it!!! This trash not a steady winning system.
@DiceData Either he's losing money on the "bet 7s pays 5 to 1" or he's losing money laying the 4/10. I say losing money because hedge bets always ends up working against the player at some point during the game.
this is very interesting data, could you run this same amounts with pass, come, don't come, don't come, replacing the bets as on the previous method?
This looks like a pretty cool strat... It also looks very similar to Waylan's Arnold from the don't. Id be curious to see how they compare against one another
I think the Arnold from the don't or the passline will beat this almost everytime. Anecdotally, I've never won with this system (played 4 ish times), and I've only lost once with the Arnold (played 20+ times)... So I'm likely a little biased lol
I like this idea but if i was playing @ a $15 table i would use lay bets when it was my advantage for a 7 to roll. I would also hop the 7 when i was looking @ losing 3 bets because of a dumb red. @ the $25 level i would never do in real life [too rich for my blood] but if i did for some reason, i would just leave it alone and let it roll out i guess. Or maybe just play for a shooter or 2 then change strats. Love the content, keep it up👍🏻
Any chance you could run your algorithm on his updated version of this strategy - he calls it “cold table on steroids”.
I wonder what would happen if you played this same simulation but stopped for those sessions that met a win goal of, say, $300 or $400. How many more winning sessions would you have? Playing out 10 shooters ensures you allow the house edge to do it's thing - which is take your money. Many of us stop when we reach a win goal. Have you ever thought of running your Sims in this manner?
I could analyze the results and figure this out. It's essentially the opposite of the bankroll analysis. They would stop when up by X, otherwise finish out the ten rolls.
Yep. The only way to win at gambling is to STOP gambling. If you stay at the table long enough, math will always catch up with you.
I've played this 4 or 5 times, pretty strict... I've lost everytime. I've never been up more than 4 units and that only happened once. I'm surprised the house edge is so low
This is amazing. I have 2 solid strategies that you have to test out. Where could I submit them for consideration?
You can contact me on dicedata.info (contact link is in the footer)
worth a shot to see if you will roll this out. It's called the Accordion strategy. Can be at any betting level but I do $25 since that's the norm where I am. Start with $160 across. After the first hit you regress to $110 inside, after the 2nd hit you regress to $30 6&8. You're out in 2 rolls with profit. 3rd hit you rack because the 7 is coming. The 4th hit you go back to $110 inside, the 5th hit back to $160 accross. Potentially in under 6 rolls you could be $160 across with a $15 profit at worst.
Love your channel…I play this strategy and I am up in the long run and get all my comps. I tweaked it a little by banking any wins. I don’t use wins to play if I lose one of my 4 original bets per player. I’ve found through rolling it out at home with the tweak and how Crappy plays it at the same time, I make more with the tweak. Wish I could compare all your simulated rolls with how I play it. Thanks for your videos!
Nice work that's an interesting variation I'll have to run sometime.
@@DiceDatawould love to see the results!
I've played this a lot through the years. It's very similar to the "growth" strategy. The adjustment I've made (when I do play this) is instead of 25 come bet, I do 10 (if on 10 dollar table) with 15 dollar odds(16 if it travels to 5 or 9). This way you make more money if the number repeats. The downfall is if the shooter rolls a point 7. Then you only win 35 vs 50.
That being said, the major problem with this strategy is getting your come bets onto numbers, shooter hits point then rolls a 7 right after on the come out. Pretty much the reason I don't use this strategy too often anymore. Contract bets are just plain bad.
I love taking odds :)
@@DiceData I mean its still a 25 dollar bet but the odds give you a little extra lol except on the point 7 or if you trying just to stay even. Love the videos keep up the great work.
@@slloyd9892 thank you much appreciated 👍
Another great video. Thank you. On one of your first videos there was a discussion about possibly putting these into a spreadsheet so they could be compared alongside one another. Have you given that anymore consideration? Another RUclipsr that I follow has a sheet setup for the FOREX and Crypto trading strategies he tests. I was going to attach a clip of it but it won't let me on here. If you'd like to see it just message me and I'll send it to you. This could easily be created very similar. A column I especially like is the last which links to the strategy in his RUclips channel and could possibly lead to more views of your videos by others. Some of the other columns could be the obvious ones, overall house edge of the strategy, percentage of win/loss for +/-$100, +/-$200, recommended bankroll, etc...basically all the same information you're already including at the end of the videos.
Yes good idea I would like to see that
@@DiceData I sent you a message via your website form since I can't attach images here. I couldn't on your form either. But at least you have my email if you want to contact me and I can send to you. I could post a link here to his google sheet but not sure if that's allowed.
@2ambiguous I emailed you back this morning, did you get it
@@DiceData thanks, glad you replied because I had not seen it. I found it in spam and replied :)
The question is what win goal would be the best?! What if you always leave up $100+ at the end of a roll for example. I wonder how many of those losses would be eliminated.
I’ll lay the 10 or 9 on the come out
So what happens if the shooter hits the point and you lose your DP but still have both come bets and the DC bet all up? Do you just let the shooter keep going and hope to collect on your come and don’t come bets? What if he hits 1 of the come bets after losing your DP?
The way I programmed it, it would replace the DP, then comes, then DC in that order, with the condition that the outlay never exceeds 100 per shooter
Question for all of you: This claims to be a great way to generate comps but wouldn't the person rating just 0 you out comp wise (due to this being a hedging system) or being generous, give you a $25 rating?
I keep getting my DP line bet taken away. It makes me broke. How do I fix this?
Oh this would surely be the most popular craps channel if i had that secret!
I’ll lay the 10 or 9
This is not exactly how this works. If any of the come bets win he sets a second DC and doesn’t replace the come bet. Recommend you go back and watch his videos. This will make a difference.
And he calls it the “cold table” strategy
Since this is a strategy to get tier credits how about increase it to $100 bet and see what is the right bankroll?
That’s pretty simple $5250
You could multiply everything by 4, so it would be 400 per shooter instead of 100, and 99% survival with 2100.
Nice. Love what u r doing
same strat but full odds after all bets in place...............think better numbers ..for 5 dollar table play
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I know right 😂
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