When Jim talks about these truths it just makes me giggle. Such a deep resonance with what he says. He cannot compromise on it as as soon as he does he is doing the opposite of making his point. But all people want him to compromise, but you can’t. ☺️
@destroy em' liars I don’t believe in. I’ve experienced what he’s saying first hand. But I do believe that’s the only way you can understand. And no I don’t believe in colts.
Exactly!! Sam is tenacious in dragging Jim into the dream and Jim is not going there. Sam: I have a dilemma. Jim: There's no "you," so there's no dilemma to be solved. The end.
What comes to mind is Douglas Harding's opinion on who has the authority to tell us who we are and what our reality is. Loosely quoting Harding, "What am I here, in my own experience (pointing to himself), when I doubt what all those people (pointing away) are telling me. When I doubt everything I've been told, what am I like in my own experience, at zero centimeters, from this place (pointing to himself)." On an individual basis it does not require language to experience non-duality, but as teachers they have to use words to show people they are their own authorities.
Our syntax is developed to describe the state of duality or separation. That is why the nondual state is very hard to describe. Our language was not formed to describe it. It is not because Mr. Newman is trying to use jargon. That’s a very judgmental and simplistic idea.
I’ve been meditating now for two years, and while I understand much of what Jim is saying, I hope my own unknowing never leads me to talk like this. Words still have meaning, as imperfect and imprecise as they are.
This talk doesn't put Jim in the best light. Lots of people are jumping to unwarranted conclusions about him based on this alone. This was the first talk I've seen of him and he did come across as a bit unpleasant. However his message is not wrong. And if you go and listen to more of his talks you'll see he's actually a lovely person.
I do not think it is important what other people think about Jim or anyone else, or what idea they got... forever people apparently judge and needs to support their believes in what they think is true... anything that goes too far from that, they will fight against... because the simple and slightly idea that they could be wrong, or what other say could be wright, could crumble their whole life experience... maybe... apparently we do not listen really...
If people are concerned whether he’s pleasant or not then they are never going to get it. It’s completely irrelevant. People who are ready to resonate with it will. 😌
WHO judges Jim pleasant or unpleasant? Are you sure that the one who judges is real? It may seem real, but look closely- it’s just a thought, it’s transient and has no reality. It’s an appearance in the permanent, never-changing awareness of whatever’s happening, and that is always and forever all there is. Non-duality is absolute simplicity Absolute awareness is all there is. Don’t think about it- just look! Just look at your experience. There’s just this. Including thoughts about what this is. It’s only in thinking that suffering arises. It really is as simple as that.
I believe i understand Jim, I can engage with the illusory end of "me" right when i wake up from almost falling asleep, I can look around everywhere and observe how utterly mysterious everything in front of me is. It makes me feel that this is all a dream.
Here is the crux. In the full talk there are several instances in which Jim cuts Sam off to say something like "but that can't be described" or "but it's not something to be spoken of or pointed to" or "it cant be realized" or "its not an experience" so as to shut Sam down from making a point. This occurs literally 10 seconds after Jim finishes describing an experience, pointing or making an observation about people and their experiences. In other words the language and distinctions are reserved for Jim but are "feeble misunderstandings" when someone else makes a point. It's clear Jim has a conceited love of his own self perceived, untouchable intellect.
While it is true what Jim is saying, recall the old Zen saying, mountains were mountains etc., and I get the sense that Jim is missing the final step along this trajectory, he’s still on the stage of mountains are no longer mountains; otherwise there would be no difficulty in playfully engaging with Sam’s discourse rather than opposing it, and there is a very clear sense of opposition here (contradicting the very premise of non-duality).
The irony here is that you actually choose suffering alone even if you are physically near someone because you believe yourself to be a separate self. You suffer alone or are in bliss with everything.
Its funny the way Sam's photo is from 15 years ago. It reminds of of a scene in the Office when David Brent shows someone a copy of the manager of the year magazine of himself but years old
@@goldenrule3261 Time like all relative/dualistic phenomena is not real, it is not unreal, it is not both real en unreal and it is not neither real nor unreal. The now is to short for anything to actually take place and is still a view within time that reifies phenomena as being in a certain way/ having an identity/intrinsic nature. Besides, the notion 'now' does not make sense without depending/constrasting it with the past and future. Remember there is no battle between dualism and non dualism. Kind regards from your friendly neighbourhood non duality police.
The full 100 minute discussion can be found via subscription to Sam's Making Sense podcast (samharris.org/podcast/). It's one of his Waking Up dialogues and is called Wrestling the Paradox. After the release of the full dialogue, Sam added an introduction, which was generously transcribed by viewer Elizabeth Baird. Here it is: *"I originally posted this conversation without any introduction or disclaimer, but so many of you have since responded to it to express your frustration that I feel I need to give some context.* *"As you’ll hear, Jim Newman is a teacher of nonduality and, as I say at the beginning, he is perhaps the most relentlessly nondualist person I have come across. Now, as to whether this is a mere affectation or whether it is the result of his direct perception of reality, it’s hard for me to judge. One thing I would point out here is that we shouldn’t mistake a person’s personality for his or her insight into the nature of mind. In an extreme case, someone can be extraordinarily charismatic and have no understanding at all of the nature of mind. Whereas somebody with deep insight may have all kinds of user-interface issues that could make them less charismatic than we might expect a Buddha to be. So this is just a note of caution. It’s hard to judge someone’s understanding from the outside.* *"As you’ll hear at the end of this conversation, if you make it to the end, there were a few points that Jim made that seemed somewhat incongruous to me and, for his part, he was skeptical that I had realised this thing that he thinks he’s realised. And there’s no denying the fact that most of this conversation was me trying to walk across the minefield of terminology that Jim is allergic to and that, in turn, seems to have caused many listeners to be allergic to Jim himself. But let me just say in his defence, I see no reason to doubt that he’s honestly representing his experience and for that reason, it seemed well worth engaging him.* *"One thing I resisted was the temptation to turn this conversation into a debate. Many listeners were waiting for me to push back harder against some of the things Jim said, as I did to some degree in my conversation with Rupert Spira. There’s no question that there can be a kind of nondual dogmatism or lack of flexibility in discussing conventional reality, and that can become tiresome. But it’s also possible to err on the other side and fail to acknowledge just how fully one’s vision of reality can be transformed. In any case, I found it an interesting conversation even if it was a bit of a tightrope walk. And I hope you all find it useful. And now I bring you Jim Newman."*
@@TheWorldTeacher Try looking in the spam section of your email account. I've read in the past that this is common, people soliciting a free account and not seeing it because it was directed to their spam folder by their email settings.
Kudos to Sam's sober interview. I wonder if this is the final transcendental understanding of ultimate reality with no intrinsic value to anyone & how Advaita's Nonduality philosophy compares to what Jim is saying. Is it the same?
Absolute energy creating relative energy, which will b SAM! Mr. Harris is striving to survive! Self identity is still there! This is AWESOMENESS just happening! Jim just destroys all possibility of any existence owned by any individual feeling energy with 1 word! UNHAPPENING!
@@reconon it's the anti-thesis of word salad. The thing that is being spoken about ( cant be called a thing) is by definition beyond coherent articulation. So the mind can't help but use paradoxical term. You find this lingo extensively in Buddhist literature and relegious literature in general.
This body here has survived the illusion of death 7 times! 7! Also, this body here apparently is 64 years old but looks 35! Everywhere I go nobody believes my age till I show I.d. and then, absolute jealousy arrives! It is also not the first time whatever energy is here, has been here, but, for sure it is the last time! From here with accordance to interactions with entheogens, this energy goes interstellar! Exactly to the star of Alcyone, Pleidian Star System! Also omniscience has been reached at this non location that disguises itself as a self or me! Whatever is read here is not for humans to understand but, if there is a RESONANCE, the pineal gland of that body will begin to vibrate faster than a TACHYON! And that is what arises as well if there is no RESONANCE! This data goes beyond the esoteric and it's actually everywhere & very obvious but, not for contracted energies that r still creating and reinforcing stories of SELVES existing here knowing and doing things! Unfortunately, however this is deciphered, it is also what is, disguising itself as that! If this makes anyone feel uncomfortable, then, that's is resistance to this data which is not even coming from here and at the same time, it is! There! The dressing for ur WORD SALAD!
All these happened during interaction with DXM! As I was almost becoming unconscious due to an apparent overdose of DXM, Injesting over 1,600 mgs, and also not being able to breathe, information or direct insight, came into mind to take the body to the shower and put cold water on the heart of it for approximately, 25 minutes! This water was freezing and what it did is that it jumped started the heart which was actually dying by not being able to acquire proper amounts of oxygen! That data that suddenly came with a suggestion to put body on shower and let cold water run for a specific amount of time directly in the heart, was unknown to me, self, individual or the ego! Only the body actually knew that information, which was later then notified with absolute clarity to what could b understood as a revelation of some sort out of a body experience! In other words, my EGO almost got the body killed and then the body showed who was the only thing here that knew or did anything! This phenomenon then, repeated again in 6 subsequent occasions where now there was a slight understanding on what to do when something that terrifying happened again! This concluded in lowering the dosages of DXM gradually to what now r around 450 or 600 mgs and not being anymore with the addiction of seeking the unseekable! That is all that happened! If this body went under water, what will die will not b the self because that is the only illusion that actually exists here! The illusion that there r people doing or knowing things in here! It's only bodies what r here doing or knowing anything! By the way, now, I'm working with 3 ghost writers that r very interesting in this story that fortunately happened to a body but that an ego tried to own insatiably!
@@reconon excuse several typos please! Again, if body goes under water, body or course, will die but not you being that there is not such a thing as a you, self, or individual! Also, it wasn't this body's time to exit this apparent life which were the 7 immense messages it send to whatever was here that thought was a WARRICK! WARRICK is the name of the body, not an individual that believes is real or doing things in here! Similar thing happened to Wim Hoff! He survived the unsurvivable!
I'm sure Jim is a really nice guy, but I can understand why people find his message challenging; me included. 1. 'The message truly isn't for anyone...' Okay, if there isn't a person to receive it, why spend so much time talking about it ? The 'unknowing' part of me isn't interested, so who/what is this message intended for for ? 2. 'Unknowing' does feel very similar to plain old apathy or nihilism. 3. If there is 'unknowing' and a cloud of happenings, surely this distinction is evidence of duality, not one-ness ?
I think I understand your perplexity. While I don't jibe with the absolutism of the neo-Advaitic "message", I do get what it's based on, and so I might be able to offer a slightly less cryptic or obfuscating response to each of your questions. At any rate, I'll try. _"'The message truly isn't for anyone...' Okay...who/what is this message intended for ?"_ What he's saying is true at one level - the level according to which any distinction between subject and object is only apparent but not real - but then, according to that same "absolute" level, there's also no "message," no messenger, no seeker, no anything. It's a kind of extremely zoomed out view that's based on an exclusive fixation on absolute or ultimate truth, along with a refusal to give credence to relative or conventional truth. Having said that, I will also say this: truly, nobody wakes up or gets liberated. Waking up or liberation is what it's called when the subject/object mode of mediating experience ceases to operate. Reality is still whatever it is, the circumstances of one's life are still whatever they are, preferences for spicy food or dry climates or bright clothing or whatever will still be as they'd been. One still answers to one's name. Nothing necessarily changes in terms of one's functioning and psychology. It's just clear that distinctions like inner and outer, self and other - distinctions which, after all, were _learned through extensive conditioning_ from early childhood - no longer define or shape perception. _"'Unknowing' does feel very similar to plain old apathy or nihilism."_ The association with nihilism actually has some validity. The problem is when absolute-level truths are interpreted in the absence of _direct_ (i.e., not conceptually mediated) insight into those truths. The statement that "nothing exists" or "nothing is real" definitely sounds nihilistic and depressing - as a mere idea or concept. But the direct realization of the emptiness (or mirage-like nature) of all phenomena is actually quite liberating. Seeing this deeply and in real-time actually makes life _more_ extraordinary and miraculous, not less so. As for apathy, that's a pathological condition that's actually a subtly negative emotion (depression, basically), and is characterized by dullness and/or unresponsiveness. I can't speak for how anyone perceives the way any given awake speaker comes off, but I would say there _should_ usually be a clearly discernable difference in expression between equanimity and apathy. And the seeming unperturbability of the former might look superficially similar to the flatness of the latter, but the actual experience of each will be markedly different. It's perhaps analogous to the difference between serenity and catatonia. _"If there is 'unknowing' and a cloud of happenings, surely this distinction is evidence of duality, not one-ness ?"_ Distinction doesn't imply duality - at least not fundamentally. Look at dreams: there are all kinds of distinctions in dreams, including apparent people, animals, buildings, vehicles, terrain, situations, emotions; there's even a "you" that seems to be interacting with and experiencing all of it. But the entire thing is indisputably a seamless play of consciousness. There are no _actual_ objects, situations, or people in the dream, and yet there's a vivid and powerful _experience_ of objects, situations, and people. I would suggest the situation in everyday "waking" life is analogous to dreaming, the main differences being a more tenacious and serially consistent narrative stream and a greater degree of so-called "object permanence." But in terms of what waking life is _made of,_ it seems to me that it's no less a seamless play of consciousness than dreams are. Distinctions are indeed present, and they're meaningful and valuable, but I don't think they're ontologically foundational.
Go directly to Gautama sachdev ,eckhart, Byron Katie ,Francis Lucille, Rupert spiro, Jim has it all down all .says it all perfectly yet one feels as Mooji says “ you can smell the ego”
There's no "I" so anything that points to the "I" will immediately be denied. Sam: I have a dilemma. Jim: There's no "you," so the "dilemma" is no one's.
And yet Jim uses "I" throughout the talk. This is why Jim comes across as sanctioning language for others that he can use himself. He does this probably 10x in the talk where he shuts Sam down from saying something or says "you're not getting it" when Jim literally made a similar statement or observation about experience.
Ok....so there is no individual. But people like Jim says that most people start out thinking or believing that they are individual and therefore some sort of suffering apparently happens. I can understand this. But is it possible after this illusion falls away....can the now 'non-individual' or 'no-self' person fall asleep again to that fact at times? Why I ask is this is I heard Jim saying here, and also Tony Parsons say that anger just arises. I find it hard to swallow this. I believe that anger dont 'just arises'. I believe that anger arises when the mental state believes that you are an individual or a self who can't get his/her own way. So I believe that when when people like Jim get angry, they fall back into thinking that they are an individual. Otherwise there would be no self or individual wanting to get his own way and therefore anger would not be arising at all. Am I missing something here?
The problem seems to be that non-duality is not actually a thing, so the moment a single word is uttered about non-duality the language is dualistic and forms descriptions that can give the impression linear time with causality is real. Speakers try and get around this by throwing in there that linear time and causality are neither real, nor unreal and may describe them as a story, or 'the dream', but then go on to talk in dualistic terms because they have no other choice because all language and logic is inevitably dualistic. You could perhaps consider whether anyone could lose the 'self', if there is already no-one and no real linear time in which losing something could happen? What some speakers seem to suggest is that there is already is no-one, but anger still seems to arise, because that is what human bodies seem to do - get angry. It is just that no one owns that body or the anger. Because that would have to be something that owns apparent reality itself. And if something was to own a body, anger, thoughts, or apparent reality, it would have to be on the outside of it. It is difficult to imagine how something could be on the outside of everything but this seems to be what the subject/object relationship (self) senses - there is the world out there and me in here. So to suggest an answer to your question, perhaps the body wants to get its own way, but there is no self that owns that body.
I listened to the full podcast on the Waking Up app before going to sleep last night. And then I noticed that you had posted the abridged version on your channel this morning. How funny. x
This isn’t the best intro to Jim if it’s your first try with him. He comes across as a bit uncooperative and smug. His talks are much better and really the clearest articulation of non duality you can find.
@@truchua2626 He may seem that way sometimes. he can also be very funny if you watch a lot of his stuff. He is very uncompromising and that grates on people a little. Most people don't want radicual non duality. they want sugar coated non duality with extra fluff about how this is all a dream in gods infinite mind and we are the infinite expressing itself in human form'. Jim doesn't give any of the fluff so it leaves nothing for the individual to hold on to. Just this. which is ungraspable and the mind hates that. At leats with Rupert Spira for example the mind can identify with a new belief 'I am awareness' so that's more comforting
@@mattsniper362 obviously his doctrine has not a lot to do with how he chooses to present it. You don't hv to speak like a disagreeble prick just because your doctrine is supposedly 'truer' than others, and assume that everyone only like beliefs that are 'comforting' to them.
@@truchua2626 im sensing youre not a big jim newman fan? hhaha I get what you mean. his way of speaking definitely comes across a bit dickish at times and he could be a bit more agreeable sometimes. he just strikes me as one of those people who just doesn't give a fuck about what people think of him so he just acts how he wants haha
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The ego is a pseudo adaptation which suffers unconsciously from Eliphaz talking to Job and Symmachus with Sirius Black (Harry The Potter) - (Lymphatic Filariasis), via Kyrian TV (Keyring TV) The phantom is a transposed superimposition the individual is aZoomed and assumed to be (Hence all the lack of thus Asp’Err’Shones and Ass’Sump’Shones which are already concluded - SubZoomed as it acquires the world illicitly (Or having understanding darkened underinvesting) - Literally feeding it which was already dead - And hence even the claiming of that which was true - A Burden (Bird On) Dis’Parot’Tie Dis’Parot’Eye Paradigm.
This is the best snowflake comment section I have read in a while. People defending themselves and attacking Jim for being a smugg or whatever else. Non dualiteit does not make you a better person because that’s duality. If you study zen you will find a lot of zen masters who act like total dicks and smugs all the time. It’s fine to judge Jim and it’s fine that he acts like a smugg or wise guy. Doesn’t matter anyway you go about it. Life wil continue to happen just as always. Why you all so invested in what you watch? 😂
There are times i wish i had a higher IQ!And to listen to them is exactly one of these time!It would be nice to understand maybe 40% of it but sadly i maybe understand only 15% !Still nice to listen and trieing to understand as much as possible!
If I follow correctly: According to Jim, what is, is emptiness, which cannot be known. It arises as apparent forms, which are never actually there. Anything you think or say about forms or emptiness is already delusion, because neither the forms nor emptiness is actually there. But if you say they are not there, that's also untrue. Same problem with "apparent forms", because in truth, nothing is "apparently" a form, because whatever is seen is completely transient and unsubstantial. Rather, the "apparent forms" are apparently NOT forms. Yet it's also untrue to say that there is nothing whatsoever. So it seems you can't really say anything, any knowledge statement is wrong, which again, indicates that whatever this is, it cannot be known. There's no actual knowledge. Sam sees to want to make knowledge statements, and Jim seems to be saying no, you can't. Maybe Jim is saying something like this?
Jim says "nothing appearing as everything," and vice versa. Or to use a different term, "emptiness appearing as form/movement, or happening" even though in reality, nothing actually moves. There's nothing that isn't It. We like to label things and give it meaning or power, thus creating duality (separation) within our minds, which is why there's no real peace anywhere. Real truth/knowledge does not fight with itself, lol 😂
@@goldenrule3261 When Jim's no-teacher teacher Tony Parsons says that none of it has any meaning, he lights up like a schoolboy, he loves it. I feel that and I feel the freedom there. He also thinks, like Jim, that it's what makes his teaching unique. That there is no one here, no self, that's old hat. But that nothing means anything whatsoever, with no caveats -- that's what old Buddhists or old whatevers tend to object to to. The idea is that if you loosen that empty chain completely, you actually reify nothingness, you become nihilistic. Which means, quickly or gradually, you lose your ability to make distinctions, you become stupid. Somehow, the union of the relative (something) and the absolute (nothing) needs to permeate from the teaching, through and through. Whaddya think?
@@markcounseling Same here with feeling the freedom when listening to Jim. But I also feel unconditional love from Jim which is why "his" message resonate so much for me. I hear what you're saying about becoming stupid, haha. However, I have yet to meet such a person, especially if he claims to be "awakened." I'm no expert on this subject, so I can't speak to that, but I will say that based on my personal experience, there are many teachers out there who have not yet integrated their ego, so they don't recognize the difference between the two worlds. Therefore, they will contradict themselves. If you acknowledge one, then you automatically deny the other - there's no compromise between truth and illusion. An awakened person does not stop living his life. In fact, he is likely to enjoy life more because he's not taken in by illusions. He also behaves like a normal person and does not act like he's superior to others. Every external teacher is different with his own unique talents to offer.
@@goldenrule3261 Really like your response. Can you say a little more about recognizing the difference between the two worlds? Many teaching on the absolute side don't seem to want to recognize any difference, anywhere. It's a powerful "technique", you could say ... it's true, also, for me, not _completely_ true ... and no words are I guess. I come from the Buddhist stream of teaching and I much love the "balanced" view I find there ... which is not to say that anyone else is "wrong" or not helpful. Not at all. No compromise between truth and illusion, like that. Word-making is already illusion, always was, but it enables this here little energy transfer, haha. Totally agree that awakened people don't stop living life. And interestingly enough, they have disagreements as well. We sort of have the idea that they shouldn't ... but what are words, except a means to disagree? If we all agreed on everything, why talk at all?
@@markv2087 Sure, will do my best. On this level, we only have two choices/ teachers - the ego or the Holy Spirit. The former represents the world of illusions and gives rise to all the negative emotions such as fear, guilt, depression, lack, envy, sadness, anger, etc. The Holy Spirit is the Voice for God. He sees our illusions but without believing in them. At any given time, we are either choosing one or the other, but never both at the same time. If we find ourselves not at peace, then that means we've chosen the wrong teacher on a level that we're not aware of. The goal, of course, is to consciously keep choosing right all the time so that we can eventually perceive truly (the real world) or at the very least limit our pain and suffering. Now I’m not saying that all “spiritual” teachers should be perfect, but a true teacher of God will always choose love/unity/inclusiveness over fear/separation/exclusiveness. Each situation is different and calls for a unique response but if a teacher makes separation real at the mind level, then that teacher is not helping. We are all the same in that we each have the power of decision to choose which world we wish to see regardless of outside appearances.... I’m not familiar with Buddhism so not sure what you mean by “balanced” view. Could you elaborate? Regarding energy transfer, it’s all part of the script, my friend. I’d have to say that an awakened person does not care about proving himself right - but he may clarify any confusion if/when asked.
He is not smart at all per my view. He is “fucking out of his mind.” He’s just silly with his linguistic gymnastics as if doing such tricks with words has any value. He’s an idiot.
Jim Newman sure brings a lot of “me” to his hilarious refutations of being me. If he is actually earning a living as this carnival act, well, pretty amazing. This is some serious slumming on Sam’s part.
@jacob atabet He probably earns money off this act and others will disagree with how much he deserves, but that’s what economics is, the almost entirely subjective philosophy of who gets what and why. The fact is “Jim” delivers a message that starves your sense of self and is actually very pragmatic. If you think “you” exist, you’re mistaking your pain and your pleasure for a “self”, who didn’t exist before you were born and will continue not to exist after “you” die.
He has to say I, me etc if he is ever going to answer a single question. Because everyone asks him about his experience when he’s trying to say there is no one having this experience lol you can’t talk about it but his job is created because people want to know what they can’t know. It’s only experiential. I have experienced it for a few weeks, but then came back to being me.
Sam understands what Jim is saying, it's just that I believe Sam knows the way Jim speaks is too confrontational for the layman. Sam represents basically the same thing, just in a more tangible sense that can be widely understood, and eased into. Jim speaks solely on reality at its core.
this is soooooo weird, Sam is not getting it while he is saying al the time dat he gets it, and if he had listend to Jim he would have realised that there is nobody to get anything an in the end Sam cuts it al of, very weird. Not okee Sam......
When you are on the edge of a cliff, the next step will be just to jump and fly out of control, or to turn around and go down. No difference, you will end up at the bottom anyway. There are no sad grimms. Stop listening to these jokers.
@@Felipe-zl1rj Yes, he's "sound" in general. But I don't think he really got famous for that. It was rather his promotion of "dissonance" that shot him to fame and notoriety.
Yes, I can see how an illusory self can take whats being pointed to (This) as nihilism. Whats being pointed to though, is the fact that there is no one to be a nihilist. The knower/doer who becomes a nihilist, is itself an illusion. There is just the non-causal spontaneous arsing of the appearance. Or to put simply, there is just whats apparently happening. And there is no knower/subject that perceives the "happening" because even if there appears to be one, that too is also part of the "happening". Hence the term illusion.
I don’t challenge the veracity of the essential recognition of no self, Advaita 101. It’s his ridiculously extroverted outspoken talkative need to affirm this “no me“ that is ridiculous and amusing and somewhat pathetic. He does appear fragile and defensive and conceivably wounded. I can’t tell whether it’s through compassion or simple curiosity that Sam Harris goes slumming with some of these characters. Sam has made a great contribution to consciousness and he seems somewhat attracted to the lower regions that characters like Mr. Newman seem to personify. I enjoy where Sam reaches the point of exasperation and people like Newman think this establishes them as great avatars for that reason. .
First it is not a state. Second, how what? How you can achieve that state? You can't, there is no you to achieve any state and any feeling of "doing" or "moving" towards that "state" is purely illusory.
@@muresandani he do not tell you how he got the no state no self., playing with you do not telling how he got the no state., ask Tony PARSONS how he teach the game of words to support the mystery to collect money from the followers
@@georgecruz2977 There is no state. And HE, or YOU, cannot get anywhere. I don't know how else to say it. There is no journey, nowhere to get and no one to get there. The self is already entirely illusory. To ask how the illusory self can go through an illusory process to get to an illusory state is silly.
@@georgecruz2977 no teacher can tell you how to get to a state of no self. it just happens through happening. you dont get to no state through particular steps. if that was the case we would all be there. it just happens.
@Evan Devilyn Language is inherently dualistic, so as soon as you speak about it you're wrong. However silence alone doesn't help point to it either. So you have to use words and you have to sound like you're contradicting yourself often. As a zen saying goes, "words are like a finger pointing to the moon". The words themselves are not it. And if you focus on them you'll miss what's being pointed at.
It's not that Sam isn't smart because he asked some really good questions. Sam just doesn't know enough about the subject to ask the right questions or use the right words - he's coming from the stance of separation which is why Jim can't respond.
When Jim talks about these truths it just makes me giggle. Such a deep resonance with what he says. He cannot compromise on it as as soon as he does he is doing the opposite of making his point. But all people want him to compromise, but you can’t. ☺️
@destroyer of repulsive liars! wow your name says it all. Feel sorry for you.
@destroy em' liars I don’t believe in. I’ve experienced what he’s saying first hand. But I do believe that’s the only way you can understand. And no I don’t believe in colts.
Exactly!! Sam is tenacious in dragging Jim into the dream and Jim is not going there.
Sam: I have a dilemma.
Jim: There's no "you," so there's no dilemma to be solved.
The end.
@@goldenrule3261 😆🤣
What comes to mind is Douglas Harding's opinion on who has the authority to tell us who we are and what our reality is. Loosely quoting Harding, "What am I here, in my own experience (pointing to himself), when I doubt what all those people (pointing away) are telling me. When I doubt everything I've been told, what am I like in my own experience, at zero centimeters, from this place (pointing to himself)."
On an individual basis it does not require language to experience non-duality, but as teachers they have to use words to show people they are their own authorities.
Our syntax is developed to describe the state of duality or separation. That is why the nondual state is very hard to describe. Our language was not formed to describe it. It is not because Mr. Newman is trying to use jargon. That’s a very judgmental and simplistic idea.
I’ve been meditating now for two years, and while I understand much of what Jim is saying, I hope my own unknowing never leads me to talk like this. Words still have meaning, as imperfect and imprecise as they are.
This talk doesn't put Jim in the best light. Lots of people are jumping to unwarranted conclusions about him based on this alone. This was the first talk I've seen of him and he did come across as a bit unpleasant. However his message is not wrong. And if you go and listen to more of his talks you'll see he's actually a lovely person.
I do not think it is important what other people think about Jim or anyone else, or what idea they got... forever people apparently judge and needs to support their believes in what they think is true... anything that goes too far from that, they will fight against... because the simple and slightly idea that they could be wrong, or what other say could be wright, could crumble their whole life experience... maybe... apparently we do not listen really...
If people are concerned whether he’s pleasant or not then they are never going to get it. It’s completely irrelevant. People who are ready to resonate with it will. 😌
Did not even cross my mind that he came across as unpleasant or otherwise. That was never even the point.
WHO judges Jim pleasant or unpleasant? Are you sure that the one who judges is real? It may seem real, but look closely- it’s just a thought, it’s transient and has no reality. It’s an appearance in the permanent, never-changing awareness of whatever’s happening, and that is always and forever all there is. Non-duality is absolute simplicity
Absolute awareness is all there is. Don’t think about it- just look! Just look at your experience. There’s just this. Including thoughts about what this is.
It’s only in thinking that suffering arises. It really is as simple as that.
@@robertyates Well stated and J. Krishnamurti helped me understand this experience.
Jim: Nobody watched this video
Me: * not existing *
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I believe i understand Jim, I can engage with the illusory end of "me" right when i wake up from almost falling asleep, I can look around everywhere and observe how utterly mysterious everything in front of me is. It makes me feel that this is all a dream.
in front of me?
in front of the body you imagine exists
The mind can't encapsulate this...
Jim is talking about nothingness... no thing, thinging...
The mind can't grasp this...
Here is the crux. In the full talk there are several instances in which Jim cuts Sam off to say something like "but that can't be described" or "but it's not something to be spoken of or pointed to" or "it cant be realized" or "its not an experience" so as to shut Sam down from making a point. This occurs literally 10 seconds after Jim finishes describing an experience, pointing or making an observation about people and their experiences. In other words the language and distinctions are reserved for Jim but are "feeble misunderstandings" when someone else makes a point. It's clear Jim has a conceited love of his own self perceived, untouchable intellect.
great that he could be a pure reflection into your own psyche
Not for everyone.. not an energetic match and that’s fine
Sam wants to understand, the problem is that the non-dual paradigm cant be truly understood.
The nondual paradigm is drivel.
Yes, not with the mind
While it is true what Jim is saying, recall the old Zen saying, mountains were mountains etc., and I get the sense that Jim is missing the final step along this trajectory, he’s still on the stage of mountains are no longer mountains; otherwise there would be no difficulty in playfully engaging with Sam’s discourse rather than opposing it, and there is a very clear sense of opposition here (contradicting the very premise of non-duality).
Semantics, the illusion direct experience of the senses (this) can be replicated through words and shared from individual to individual.
I get it I just choose suffering with another rather than bliss alone
The irony here is that you actually choose suffering alone even if you are physically near someone because you believe yourself to be a separate self. You suffer alone or are in bliss with everything.
And yes. Still the only thing that is of real consequence before and after all viewpoints are expressed, is kindness.
Its funny the way Sam's photo is from 15 years ago. It reminds of of a scene in the Office when David Brent shows someone a copy of the manager of the year magazine of himself but years old
Love the part where Sam Harris talks about certain words being sanctioned by Jim Newman while others are tripwires.
Elaborate
Yes, please elaborate. I ask because I don't think the question by Harris was particularly important.
You people forget what Jim is saying is over thousands of years old. This discovery goes back to the beginning of time it's nothing new.
That's assuming that time is real which it isn't - the only time there is, is "now."
@@goldenrule3261 Time like all relative/dualistic phenomena is not real, it is not unreal, it is not both real en unreal and it is not neither real nor unreal. The now is to short for anything to actually take place and is still a view within time that reifies phenomena as being in a certain way/ having an identity/intrinsic nature. Besides, the notion 'now' does not make sense without depending/constrasting it with the past and future. Remember there is no battle between dualism and non dualism. Kind regards from your friendly neighbourhood non duality police.
The full 100 minute discussion can be found via subscription to Sam's Making Sense podcast (samharris.org/podcast/). It's one of his Waking Up dialogues and is called Wrestling the Paradox.
After the release of the full dialogue, Sam added an introduction, which was generously transcribed by viewer Elizabeth Baird. Here it is:
*"I originally posted this conversation without any introduction or disclaimer, but so many of you have since responded to it to express your frustration that I feel I need to give some context.*
*"As you’ll hear, Jim Newman is a teacher of nonduality and, as I say at the beginning, he is perhaps the most relentlessly nondualist person I have come across. Now, as to whether this is a mere affectation or whether it is the result of his direct perception of reality, it’s hard for me to judge. One thing I would point out here is that we shouldn’t mistake a person’s personality for his or her insight into the nature of mind. In an extreme case, someone can be extraordinarily charismatic and have no understanding at all of the nature of mind. Whereas somebody with deep insight may have all kinds of user-interface issues that could make them less charismatic than we might expect a Buddha to be. So this is just a note of caution. It’s hard to judge someone’s understanding from the outside.*
*"As you’ll hear at the end of this conversation, if you make it to the end, there were a few points that Jim made that seemed somewhat incongruous to me and, for his part, he was skeptical that I had realised this thing that he thinks he’s realised. And there’s no denying the fact that most of this conversation was me trying to walk across the minefield of terminology that Jim is allergic to and that, in turn, seems to have caused many listeners to be allergic to Jim himself. But let me just say in his defence, I see no reason to doubt that he’s honestly representing his experience and for that reason, it seemed well worth engaging him.*
*"One thing I resisted was the temptation to turn this conversation into a debate. Many listeners were waiting for me to push back harder against some of the things Jim said, as I did to some degree in my conversation with Rupert Spira. There’s no question that there can be a kind of nondual dogmatism or lack of flexibility in discussing conventional reality, and that can become tiresome. But it’s also possible to err on the other side and fail to acknowledge just how fully one’s vision of reality can be transformed. In any case, I found it an interesting conversation even if it was a bit of a tightrope walk. And I hope you all find it useful. And now I bring you Jim Newman."*
I requested a free subscription to the podcast but it seems Mr. Harris is not amenable towards members of the Holy Priesthood. :(
@@TheWorldTeacher If you've gotten no response from them, try again. He says he grants all requests, so there shouldn't be a problem with yours.
@@_PL_, Sige. Salamat, Po! 👍
@@TheWorldTeacher Try looking in the spam section of your email account. I've read in the past that this is common, people soliciting a free account and not seeing it because it was directed to their spam folder by their email settings.
@@m0cker184, good idea!
😇 May God Bless You Always! 😇
Kudos to Sam's sober interview. I wonder if this is the final transcendental understanding of ultimate reality with no intrinsic value to anyone & how Advaita's Nonduality philosophy compares to what Jim is saying. Is it the same?
Absolute energy creating relative energy, which will b SAM! Mr. Harris is striving to survive! Self identity is still there! This is AWESOMENESS just happening! Jim just destroys all possibility of any existence owned by any individual feeling energy with 1 word! UNHAPPENING!
Exactly.
@@reconon it's the anti-thesis of word salad. The thing that is being spoken about ( cant be called a thing) is by definition beyond coherent articulation. So the mind can't help but use paradoxical term. You find this lingo extensively in Buddhist literature and relegious literature in general.
This body here has survived the illusion of death 7 times! 7! Also, this body here apparently is 64 years old but looks 35! Everywhere I go nobody believes my age till I show I.d. and then, absolute jealousy arrives! It is also not the first time whatever energy is here, has been here, but, for sure it is the last time! From here with accordance to interactions with entheogens, this energy goes interstellar! Exactly to the star of Alcyone, Pleidian Star System! Also omniscience has been reached at this non location that disguises itself as a self or me! Whatever is read here is not for humans to understand but, if there is a RESONANCE, the pineal gland of that body will begin to vibrate faster than a TACHYON! And that is what arises as well if there is no RESONANCE! This data goes beyond the esoteric and it's actually everywhere & very obvious but, not for contracted energies that r still creating and reinforcing stories of SELVES existing here knowing and doing things! Unfortunately, however this is deciphered, it is also what is, disguising itself as that! If this makes anyone feel uncomfortable, then, that's is resistance to this data which is not even coming from here and at the same time, it is! There! The dressing for ur WORD SALAD!
All these happened during interaction with DXM! As I was almost becoming unconscious due to an apparent overdose of DXM, Injesting over 1,600 mgs, and also not being able to breathe, information or direct insight, came into mind to take the body to the shower and put cold water on the heart of it for approximately, 25 minutes! This water was freezing and what it did is that it jumped started the heart which was actually dying by not being able to acquire proper amounts of oxygen! That data that suddenly came with a suggestion to put body on shower and let cold water run for a specific amount of time directly in the heart, was unknown to me, self, individual or the ego! Only the body actually knew that information, which was later then notified with absolute clarity to what could b understood as a revelation of some sort out of a body experience! In other words, my EGO almost got the body killed and then the body showed who was the only thing here that knew or did anything! This phenomenon then, repeated again in 6 subsequent occasions where now there was a slight understanding on what to do when something that terrifying happened again! This concluded in lowering the dosages of DXM gradually to what now r around 450 or 600 mgs and not being anymore with the addiction of seeking the unseekable! That is all that happened! If this body went under water, what will die will not b the self because that is the only illusion that actually exists here! The illusion that there r people doing or knowing things in here! It's only bodies what r here doing or knowing anything! By the way, now, I'm working with 3 ghost writers that r very interesting in this story that fortunately happened to a body but that an ego tried to own insatiably!
@@reconon excuse several typos please! Again, if body goes under water, body or course, will die but not you being that there is not such a thing as a you, self, or individual! Also, it wasn't this body's time to exit this apparent life which were the 7 immense messages it send to whatever was here that thought was a WARRICK! WARRICK is the name of the body, not an individual that believes is real or doing things in here! Similar thing happened to Wim Hoff! He survived the unsurvivable!
I'm sure Jim is a really nice guy, but I can understand why people find his message challenging; me included.
1. 'The message truly isn't for anyone...' Okay, if there isn't a person to receive it, why spend so much time talking about it ? The 'unknowing' part of me isn't interested, so who/what is this message intended for for ?
2. 'Unknowing' does feel very similar to plain old apathy or nihilism.
3. If there is 'unknowing' and a cloud of happenings, surely this distinction is evidence of duality, not one-ness ?
I think I understand your perplexity. While I don't jibe with the absolutism of the neo-Advaitic "message", I do get what it's based on, and so I might be able to offer a slightly less cryptic or obfuscating response to each of your questions. At any rate, I'll try.
_"'The message truly isn't for anyone...' Okay...who/what is this message intended for ?"_
What he's saying is true at one level - the level according to which any distinction between subject and object is only apparent but not real - but then, according to that same "absolute" level, there's also no "message," no messenger, no seeker, no anything. It's a kind of extremely zoomed out view that's based on an exclusive fixation on absolute or ultimate truth, along with a refusal to give credence to relative or conventional truth.
Having said that, I will also say this: truly, nobody wakes up or gets liberated. Waking up or liberation is what it's called when the subject/object mode of mediating experience ceases to operate. Reality is still whatever it is, the circumstances of one's life are still whatever they are, preferences for spicy food or dry climates or bright clothing or whatever will still be as they'd been. One still answers to one's name. Nothing necessarily changes in terms of one's functioning and psychology. It's just clear that distinctions like inner and outer, self and other - distinctions which, after all, were _learned through extensive conditioning_ from early childhood - no longer define or shape perception.
_"'Unknowing' does feel very similar to plain old apathy or nihilism."_
The association with nihilism actually has some validity. The problem is when absolute-level truths are interpreted in the absence of _direct_ (i.e., not conceptually mediated) insight into those truths. The statement that "nothing exists" or "nothing is real" definitely sounds nihilistic and depressing - as a mere idea or concept. But the direct realization of the emptiness (or mirage-like nature) of all phenomena is actually quite liberating. Seeing this deeply and in real-time actually makes life _more_ extraordinary and miraculous, not less so.
As for apathy, that's a pathological condition that's actually a subtly negative emotion (depression, basically), and is characterized by dullness and/or unresponsiveness. I can't speak for how anyone perceives the way any given awake speaker comes off, but I would say there _should_ usually be a clearly discernable difference in expression between equanimity and apathy. And the seeming unperturbability of the former might look superficially similar to the flatness of the latter, but the actual experience of each will be markedly different. It's perhaps analogous to the difference between serenity and catatonia.
_"If there is 'unknowing' and a cloud of happenings, surely this distinction is evidence of duality, not one-ness ?"_
Distinction doesn't imply duality - at least not fundamentally. Look at dreams: there are all kinds of distinctions in dreams, including apparent people, animals, buildings, vehicles, terrain, situations, emotions; there's even a "you" that seems to be interacting with and experiencing all of it. But the entire thing is indisputably a seamless play of consciousness. There are no _actual_ objects, situations, or people in the dream, and yet there's a vivid and powerful _experience_ of objects, situations, and people.
I would suggest the situation in everyday "waking" life is analogous to dreaming, the main differences being a more tenacious and serially consistent narrative stream and a greater degree of so-called "object permanence." But in terms of what waking life is _made of,_ it seems to me that it's no less a seamless play of consciousness than dreams are. Distinctions are indeed present, and they're meaningful and valuable, but I don't think they're ontologically foundational.
Go directly to Gautama sachdev ,eckhart, Byron Katie ,Francis Lucille, Rupert spiro, Jim has it all down all .says it all perfectly yet one feels as Mooji says “ you can smell the ego”
Boy does he stink!
He has no ego, he’s just frustrated lol 😂 Mooji has a guru ego!
There's no "I" so anything that points to the "I" will immediately be denied.
Sam: I have a dilemma.
Jim: There's no "you," so the "dilemma" is no one's.
Jim is full of sht, how about that?
And yet Jim uses "I" throughout the talk. This is why Jim comes across as sanctioning language for others that he can use himself. He does this probably 10x in the talk where he shuts Sam down from saying something or says "you're not getting it" when Jim literally made a similar statement or observation about experience.
Ok....so there is no individual. But people like Jim says that most people start out thinking or believing that they are individual and therefore some sort of suffering apparently happens. I can understand this. But is it possible after this illusion falls away....can the now 'non-individual' or 'no-self' person fall asleep again to that fact at times? Why I ask is this is I heard Jim saying here, and also Tony Parsons say that anger just arises. I find it hard to swallow this. I believe that anger dont 'just arises'. I believe that anger arises when the mental state believes that you are an individual or a self who can't get his/her own way. So I believe that when when people like Jim get angry, they fall back into thinking that they are an individual. Otherwise there would be no self or individual wanting to get his own way and therefore anger would not be arising at all. Am I missing something here?
The problem seems to be that non-duality is not actually a thing, so the moment a single word is uttered about non-duality the language is dualistic and forms descriptions that can give the impression linear time with causality is real. Speakers try and get around this by throwing in there that linear time and causality are neither real, nor unreal and may describe them as a story, or 'the dream', but then go on to talk in dualistic terms because they have no other choice because all language and logic is inevitably dualistic.
You could perhaps consider whether anyone could lose the 'self', if there is already no-one and no real linear time in which losing something could happen? What some speakers seem to suggest is that there is already is no-one, but anger still seems to arise, because that is what human bodies seem to do - get angry. It is just that no one owns that body or the anger. Because that would have to be something that owns apparent reality itself. And if something was to own a body, anger, thoughts, or apparent reality, it would have to be on the outside of it. It is difficult to imagine how something could be on the outside of everything but this seems to be what the subject/object relationship (self) senses - there is the world out there and me in here. So to suggest an answer to your question, perhaps the body wants to get its own way, but there is no self that owns that body.
" jim" is apparently talking about what " the headless way" ( on sam's app) showed "me". 🙏
@A.J. whatever AJ. I don't remember writing it but you have fun.
@A.J. you intruded on mine 🤣
with a strange criticism telling me how I ought to be 🤪
I listened to the full podcast on the Waking Up app before going to sleep last night. And then I noticed that you had posted the abridged version on your channel this morning. How funny. x
Seeking energy can and does experience non duality
Go on
There certainly seems to be a "frustrated person" amongst all the emptiness
This isn’t the best intro to Jim if it’s your first try with him. He comes across as a bit uncooperative and smug. His talks are much better and really the clearest articulation of non duality you can find.
he speaks in exactly the same smug uncompromising way with all of his seminar guests
He is smug n arrogant always
@@truchua2626 He may seem that way sometimes. he can also be very funny if you watch a lot of his stuff. He is very uncompromising and that grates on people a little. Most people don't want radicual non duality. they want sugar coated non duality with extra fluff about how this is all a dream in gods infinite mind and we are the infinite expressing itself in human form'. Jim doesn't give any of the fluff so it leaves nothing for the individual to hold on to. Just this. which is ungraspable and the mind hates that. At leats with Rupert Spira for example the mind can identify with a new belief 'I am awareness' so that's more comforting
@@mattsniper362 obviously his doctrine has not a lot to do with how he chooses to present it. You don't hv to speak like a disagreeble prick just because your doctrine is supposedly 'truer' than others, and assume that everyone only like beliefs that are 'comforting' to them.
@@truchua2626 im sensing youre not a big jim newman fan? hhaha I get what you mean. his way of speaking definitely comes across a bit dickish at times and he could be a bit more agreeable sometimes. he just strikes me as one of those people who just doesn't give a fuck about what people think of him so he just acts how he wants haha
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The ego is a pseudo adaptation which suffers unconsciously from Eliphaz talking to Job and Symmachus with Sirius Black (Harry The Potter) - (Lymphatic Filariasis), via Kyrian TV (Keyring TV)
The phantom is a transposed superimposition the individual is aZoomed and assumed to be (Hence all the lack of thus Asp’Err’Shones and Ass’Sump’Shones which are already concluded - SubZoomed as it acquires the world illicitly (Or having understanding darkened underinvesting) - Literally feeding it which was already dead - And hence even the claiming of that which was true - A Burden (Bird On)
Dis’Parot’Tie Dis’Parot’Eye Paradigm.
Jim rocks.
it's not jim's fault if sam is afraid to use language which "might get him into trouble"
This is the best snowflake comment section I have read in a while. People defending themselves and attacking Jim for being a smugg or whatever else. Non dualiteit does not make you a better person because that’s duality. If you study zen you will find a lot of zen masters who act like total dicks and smugs all the time. It’s fine to judge Jim and it’s fine that he acts like a smugg or wise guy. Doesn’t matter anyway you go about it. Life wil continue to happen just as always. Why you all so invested in what you watch? 😂
The only thing that's left to do for Jim is to stop talking about this.Than you have the big silence.
Watch him give his talks, he stays silent for minutes before someone raises a question, it's funny and slightly uncomfortable
As Rumi said : The silence is the language of God...
@@muresandani Tony Parsons 2.0 .
This is good exercise for the mind
There are times i wish i had a higher IQ!And to listen to them is exactly one of these time!It would be nice to understand maybe 40% of it but sadly i maybe understand only 15% !Still nice to listen and trieing to understand as much as possible!
Por favor pueden poner toda la entrevista.
Es muy muy interesante
Gracias
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2:20 "unhapenning" is the single most stupid word I've ever heard.
Probably because you are not too smart.
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How why is it incomplete.?
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If I follow correctly: According to Jim, what is, is emptiness, which cannot be known. It arises as apparent forms, which are never actually there. Anything you think or say about forms or emptiness is already delusion, because neither the forms nor emptiness is actually there. But if you say they are not there, that's also untrue. Same problem with "apparent forms", because in truth, nothing is "apparently" a form, because whatever is seen is completely transient and unsubstantial. Rather, the "apparent forms" are apparently NOT forms. Yet it's also untrue to say that there is nothing whatsoever. So it seems you can't really say anything, any knowledge statement is wrong, which again, indicates that whatever this is, it cannot be known. There's no actual knowledge. Sam sees to want to make knowledge statements, and Jim seems to be saying no, you can't. Maybe Jim is saying something like this?
Jim says "nothing appearing as everything," and vice versa.
Or to use a different term, "emptiness appearing as form/movement, or happening" even though in reality, nothing actually moves.
There's nothing that isn't It. We like to label things and give it meaning or power, thus creating duality (separation) within our minds, which is why there's no real peace anywhere. Real truth/knowledge does not fight with itself, lol 😂
@@goldenrule3261 When Jim's no-teacher teacher Tony Parsons says that none of it has any meaning, he lights up like a schoolboy, he loves it. I feel that and I feel the freedom there. He also thinks, like Jim, that it's what makes his teaching unique.
That there is no one here, no self, that's old hat. But that nothing means anything whatsoever, with no caveats -- that's what old Buddhists or old whatevers tend to object to to. The idea is that if you loosen that empty chain completely, you actually reify nothingness, you become nihilistic. Which means, quickly or gradually, you lose your ability to make distinctions, you become stupid. Somehow, the union of the relative (something) and the absolute (nothing) needs to permeate from the teaching, through and through. Whaddya think?
@@markcounseling Same here with feeling the freedom when listening to Jim. But I also feel unconditional love from Jim which is why "his" message resonate so much for me.
I hear what you're saying about becoming stupid, haha. However, I have yet to meet such a person, especially if he claims to be "awakened." I'm no expert on this subject, so I can't speak to that, but I will say that based on my personal experience, there are many teachers out there who have not yet integrated their ego, so they don't recognize the difference between the two worlds. Therefore, they will contradict themselves.
If you acknowledge one, then you automatically deny the other - there's no compromise between truth and illusion.
An awakened person does not stop living his life. In fact, he is likely to enjoy life more because he's not taken in by illusions. He also behaves like a normal person and does not act like he's superior to others.
Every external teacher is different with his own unique talents to offer.
@@goldenrule3261 Really like your response. Can you say a little more about recognizing the difference between the two worlds? Many teaching on the absolute side don't seem to want to recognize any difference, anywhere. It's a powerful "technique", you could say ... it's true, also, for me, not _completely_ true ... and no words are I guess. I come from the Buddhist stream of teaching and I much love the "balanced" view I find there ... which is not to say that anyone else is "wrong" or not helpful. Not at all.
No compromise between truth and illusion, like that. Word-making is already illusion, always was, but it enables this here little energy transfer, haha. Totally agree that awakened people don't stop living life. And interestingly enough, they have disagreements as well. We sort of have the idea that they shouldn't ... but what are words, except a means to disagree? If we all agreed on everything, why talk at all?
@@markv2087 Sure, will do my best. On this level, we only have two choices/ teachers - the ego or the Holy Spirit. The former represents the world of illusions and gives rise to all the negative emotions such as fear, guilt, depression, lack, envy, sadness, anger, etc. The Holy Spirit is the Voice for God. He sees our illusions but without believing in them. At any given time, we are either choosing one or the other, but never both at the same time. If we find ourselves not at peace, then that means we've chosen the wrong teacher on a level that we're not aware of. The goal, of course, is to consciously keep choosing right all the time so that we can eventually perceive truly (the real world) or at the very least limit our pain and suffering. Now I’m not saying that all “spiritual” teachers should be perfect, but a true teacher of God will always choose love/unity/inclusiveness over fear/separation/exclusiveness.
Each situation is different and calls for a unique response but if a teacher makes separation real at the mind level, then that teacher is not helping. We are all the same in that we each have the power of decision to choose which world we wish to see regardless of outside appearances....
I’m not familiar with Buddhism so not sure what you mean by “balanced” view. Could you elaborate?
Regarding energy transfer, it’s all part of the script, my friend.
I’d have to say that an awakened person does not care about proving himself right - but he may clarify any confusion if/when asked.
Nobody thinks that’s unfair
I don’t know if this is the smartest guy in the world or if he’s just fucking out of his mind. Maybe one doesn’t stop the other from being.
He is not smart at all per my view. He is “fucking out of his mind.” He’s just silly with his linguistic gymnastics as if doing such tricks with words has any value. He’s an idiot.
@@nirvonna he's probably a narcissist or sociopath too
@@nirvonna "his" message definetly triggered your ego, your ego doesnt want to lose control
I don’t think either of these guys are as good as me at discussing this fecal matter
"Sam" just doesn't get it. Lol. Maybe "one day" "he" will
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Jim Newman sure brings a lot of “me” to his hilarious refutations of being me. If he is actually earning a living as this carnival act, well, pretty amazing. This is some serious slumming on Sam’s part.
@jacob atabet
He probably earns money off this act and others will disagree with how much he deserves, but that’s what economics is, the almost entirely subjective philosophy of who gets what and why.
The fact is “Jim” delivers a message that starves your sense of self and is actually very pragmatic.
If you think “you” exist, you’re mistaking your pain and your pleasure for a “self”, who didn’t exist before you were born and will continue not to exist after “you” die.
He has to say I, me etc if he is ever going to answer a single question. Because everyone asks him about his experience when he’s trying to say there is no one having this experience lol you can’t talk about it but his job is created because people want to know what they can’t know. It’s only experiential. I have experienced it for a few weeks, but then came back to being me.
Jim always blows everybody’s minds.
Sam understands what Jim is saying, it's just that I believe Sam knows the way Jim speaks is too confrontational for the layman. Sam represents basically the same thing, just in a more tangible sense that can be widely understood, and eased into. Jim speaks solely on reality at its core.
this is soooooo weird, Sam is not getting it while he is saying al the time dat he gets it, and if he had listend to Jim he would have realised that there is nobody to get anything an in the end Sam cuts it al of, very weird. Not okee Sam......
When you are on the edge of a cliff, the next step will be just to jump and fly out of control, or to turn around and go down. No difference, you will end up at the bottom anyway. There are no sad grimms. Stop listening to these jokers.
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How Sam has the patience for these goofballs playing make believe in their 50s I will never understand.
Sam is the biggest goof of them all.
@@Octavus5 i'm curious about why do you say that? Harris seems sound in his positions in general, don't you think?
@@Felipe-zl1rj Yes, he's "sound" in general. But I don't think he really got famous for that. It was rather his promotion of "dissonance" that shot him to fame and notoriety.
First thing I thought when I heard this was - “Is Sam brought to us by Pfizer?”
Is look like, but definitely he is driven by ME
Doesn't Jim simply present nihilism as a crispy creme doughnut :-)
Yes, I can see how an illusory self can take whats being pointed to (This) as nihilism. Whats being pointed to though, is the fact that there is no one to be a nihilist. The knower/doer who becomes a nihilist, is itself an illusion.
There is just the non-causal spontaneous arsing of the appearance. Or to put simply, there is just whats apparently happening. And there is no knower/subject that perceives the "happening" because even if there appears to be one, that too is also part of the "happening". Hence the term illusion.
@@Chris-wk1nw well put 👍🏻
I don’t challenge the veracity of the essential recognition of no self, Advaita 101. It’s his ridiculously extroverted outspoken talkative need to affirm this “no me“ that is ridiculous and amusing and somewhat pathetic. He does appear fragile and defensive and conceivably wounded. I can’t tell whether it’s through compassion or simple curiosity that Sam Harris goes slumming with some of these characters. Sam has made a great contribution to consciousness and he seems somewhat attracted to the lower regions that characters like Mr. Newman seem to personify. I enjoy where Sam reaches the point of exasperation and people like Newman think this establishes them as great avatars for that reason. .
I, his, he, I, he, I.
jim is talking about a state no self., without saying how., just driving people in mystery others like he uses mystery to his purpose
First it is not a state. Second, how what? How you can achieve that state? You can't, there is no you to achieve any state and any feeling of "doing" or "moving" towards that "state" is purely illusory.
@@muresandani he do not tell you how he got the no state no self., playing with you do not telling how he got the no state., ask Tony PARSONS how he teach the game of words to support the mystery to collect money from the followers
@@georgecruz2977 There is no state. And HE, or YOU, cannot get anywhere. I don't know how else to say it. There is no journey, nowhere to get and no one to get there. The self is already entirely illusory. To ask how the illusory self can go through an illusory process to get to an illusory state is silly.
@@georgecruz2977 no teacher can tell you how to get to a state of no self. it just happens through happening. you dont get to no state through particular steps. if that was the case we would all be there. it just happens.
@Evan Devilyn Language is inherently dualistic, so as soon as you speak about it you're wrong. However silence alone doesn't help point to it either. So you have to use words and you have to sound like you're contradicting yourself often. As a zen saying goes, "words are like a finger pointing to the moon". The words themselves are not it. And if you focus on them you'll miss what's being pointed at.
Sam Harris is the do-gooder. Hopefully no one will get offended, cause there is no sam.
Bullsht.
@@cosmofox pardon me?
@@cosmofox There is no one, only what seems to be happening.
@@cosmofox no one knows it, that’s the kicker that the me can’t understand. There is simply no one
this dude sounds like tries to recite tony parsons teaching
I do not trust Jim Newman. Or mlst of these neo-advaita teachers.. Adyashanti every day.
Sam Harris is apparently not so smart. Making this about semantics is defensive and childish. In fact he just doesn’t get it.
It’s hard to get.
That's because there's nothing to get and nobody to get it
It's not that Sam isn't smart because he asked some really good questions. Sam just doesn't know enough about the subject to ask the right questions or use the right words - he's coming from the stance of separation which is why Jim can't respond.
Embarrassing 😬