Sam Harris & Adyashanti discuss self-inquiry & awareness (excerpt)

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  • Опубликовано: 23 ноя 2024

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  • @_PL_
    @_PL_  3 года назад +7

    The full conversation can be found via subscription to Sam's Making Sense podcast (samharris.org/podcast/). It's one of his Waking Up dialogues and is called Effort and Effortlessness.

  • @Fnelrbnef
    @Fnelrbnef 7 месяцев назад +4

    Adyashanti is the best teacher out there. Imo.

  • @loejewis
    @loejewis 3 года назад +73

    Definitely a top 10 anime crossover

  • @Hellofriend88
    @Hellofriend88 3 года назад +10

    Becoming aware of my tendency to wonder “is this it?” seems invaluable. Thank you

  • @delcapslock100
    @delcapslock100 3 года назад +26

    I’ve found that imagining what being dead, or without awareness, would be like is a useful pointer. It’s a paradox but for me it has the effect of highlighting, or becoming aware of, my awareness.

    • @greggfiller1
      @greggfiller1 3 года назад +5

      This is exactly what the enlightened being Ramana Maharshi did.

    • @foogentog
      @foogentog 3 года назад

      Thank you

    • @TerryLightfoot
      @TerryLightfoot 3 года назад

      Well basically, Enlightenment is death of the ego self and finding identification in the awareness self. So, very accurate!

    • @jon3076
      @jon3076 3 года назад

      Lol I’ve been doing this recently. Very very effective! :D

    • @the-absolute-light
      @the-absolute-light 3 года назад

      Who’s awareness?

  • @hanzomain9894
    @hanzomain9894 3 года назад +14

    I experienced the state that Adya is talking about for a few brief moments a couple of days ago, it has changed the course of my life by a little.

    • @Filemonefly9
      @Filemonefly9 3 года назад

      Yeah, watch out from those course changes perspectives for context of icebergs. 🤭🙄🗻🏔️

    • @Lion-rf8xi
      @Lion-rf8xi 3 года назад +1

      @@Filemonefly9 Yeah

    • @AurelienCarnoy
      @AurelienCarnoy 2 года назад +1

      Keep acting from integrity.
      Or from that place and you will stay there. (You never left)
      If you act from ego, well you are in ego. (Back asleep)

    • @is-ness
      @is-ness 10 месяцев назад

      It does that. The invitation.

  • @kluna6658
    @kluna6658 3 года назад +20

    I thought this was a before and after pictures of before and after self inquiry

  • @trinidad111
    @trinidad111 Год назад +5

    Sam Harris reminds me of an exchange I heard of between a Buddhist monk and one of his students. The student approached the teacher asking him why he is not enlightened. The student goes on to explain how he knows this and he knows that and he doesn't understand why he doesn't have it yet. The monk replied "you know too much"

    • @mikelisteral7863
      @mikelisteral7863 Год назад +1

      sam harris is still clinging to some aspects of materialism (maya) which is why he struggles to break through

    • @ryankennedy2952
      @ryankennedy2952 7 месяцев назад

      Interesting, which aspects do you think he is clinging to?

  • @Itsjustme.369
    @Itsjustme.369 2 года назад +1

    16:55 My experience is not in seeking or looking but more like being settled on a bench in a park (showing up), setting intention and then being receptive. At my most relaxed state spirit reveals itself and in various forms and images (showing up) like people walking past or children playing in the near distance or a person sitting down next to me.
    My experience is similar to reading a book. The words on a page are always there, specifically to be read, understood and to move the reader to the next word. So on and so forth.
    As my mind, in its most natural state of forward motion, has the sole purpose, to experience, to understand, and to become more... Did I look for the words on the page? Did the words jump towards me? Both. I think we "meet" halfway.

  • @sourcetext
    @sourcetext 3 года назад

    Two heads are better than one . especially if one is a world famous neurological specialist . good luck to those who serve the world , and end suffering. blessings , God be with them .

  • @djdollase
    @djdollase 3 года назад +11

    Love this. A is avoiding the intellectual traps S sets up (because he’s caught in them, thinking that’s a necessary thing) and that other spiritual/non-dual teachers I’ve heard him interview have fallen into

  • @Ymiraku
    @Ymiraku 3 года назад +6

    Really enjoyed this, very constructive discourse

    • @danielr3522
      @danielr3522 3 года назад +3

      Agree, I found it very illuminating :-)

  • @HolgerHubbs
    @HolgerHubbs 3 года назад +5

    Sam loves to hear himself, so it seems.
    "The only truth in the manifestation is the impersonal sense I am; the rest are concepts."
    Peace.

    • @Lion-rf8xi
      @Lion-rf8xi 3 года назад

      So is the I am it disappears too "I" did not see it once but there was something that wasn't in that space to experience whatever my interpretation of that was and brought something back.
      It's also subsequently driven me insane and almost killed me my ego is bigger now than ever!
      Guess when I challenging my selfs existence it really pissed my ego off.
      I have always known I could go back there but there is just too too much for ME to do and I EYE the one that's creating all this BS won't let go again.
      Feels like falling in space forever except you are the space and your falling in every direction at once forever but if it's forever it's the same as saying now, it's weird but everything is forever right now.
      Idk trying to conceptualize any of that experience is what will and has to an extent drive you quite mad.

  • @FreedomRenegades
    @FreedomRenegades Год назад

    That was really good , love adya

  • @RickWilleyOMC
    @RickWilleyOMC 3 года назад +2

    Really helpful!
    "The minds tendency to grasp is content "
    My "mantra " for years now has been-WHAT OBSERVES THIS?
    Funny how I never really recognized the minds tendency to find that one special needle in the haystack: even though I could never find any objective qualities to awareness!
    It's actually hilarious 😂

    • @mikelisteral7863
      @mikelisteral7863 Год назад

      switch from atheism materialism to pandeism phenomenology

  • @theinngu5560
    @theinngu5560 2 года назад +1

    Yes different pointers work for different people and there are supporting conditions which aid ones ability to remain aware of awareness for longer periods of time ….Buddhist ethics and Dana practices point to these supporting conditions…then ones is less likely to have so many distracting thoughts vying for attention and being grasped at.

    • @phoenixj1299
      @phoenixj1299 Год назад

      There is no such thing as Buddhist ethics. There is only dharmic ethics.

  • @Musaaaa653
    @Musaaaa653 2 года назад +3

    "The content masquerading as the context"

  • @moesypittounikos
    @moesypittounikos 3 года назад +2

    It would be amazing if Sam did a cast about his youthful adventures in India and being with Papaji and the subsequent flowering neo advaita in the West . After all, Sam Harris was actually there in the 1970's

  • @johnrodgers8398
    @johnrodgers8398 3 года назад +6

    This one with Adya and the two with Loch Kelly are my favorites. The most popular dialogue on Waking Up App 2020 was the second one with Sam & Loch. I have heard from so many friends that Loch's 10 meditations, Effortless Mindfulness, on Waking Up App changed their lives!

    • @NGEternal
      @NGEternal 3 года назад

      How do you know it was the most popular?

    • @tompenick9368
      @tompenick9368 2 года назад

      Loch is my favorite guest on the app (both meditation and conversation). Glad to hear I'm not the only one who appreciates him.

    • @is-ness
      @is-ness 10 месяцев назад

      Advert?

  • @Felipe-zl1rj
    @Felipe-zl1rj 3 года назад +2

    Some sort of self, even if not indivisible, must exist. Because when I'm suffering something is suffering, and it's not you, it's me. So even if the self is dispersed, it's still there. Only the unification of the self is an illusion, not the self itself.

    • @daviddeida
      @daviddeida 2 года назад +2

      Suffering is created when the mind says something should be different than what is,if you think your identity is determined by the mind you will think you are suffering.The false self is created in duality,in non duality thatfalse self does not exist and does not suffer

    • @tompenick9368
      @tompenick9368 2 года назад

      @@daviddeida Somehow I don't find that comforting. While I agree with those mechanics, I can't help but feel a strong intuition that eliminating the false self in the face of suffering, particularly immense suffering, is an unattainable ideal. It's essentially impossible... and if this is indeed the case, what's the point in even calling it a 'false self'? Acknowledging something is false implies a truth in the recognition. But if one is STUCK with the false self, it might as well be true because it's the only game in town.
      This is obviously a pessimistic perspective, and I only seem to go there with regard to the issue of the suffering self=false self.

    • @daviddeida
      @daviddeida 2 года назад +3

      @@tompenick9368 The goal if you will is not to eliminate the false self.You are right that is unattainable as it does'nt exist and anything you do to eliminate it will fortify its apparent existence.The goal is to eliminate suffering.The way to do that is being present with what is happening.Think of pain for eg.You can be with the pain,and not resist it.Suffering is thinking the pain should not be happening.In fact the pain is intelligence and if you can be with it you will understand what is happening and in that the suffering will be lessened and the false self that lives as resistance will also be lessened and even be eliminated.For sure the false sense of self will give any reason to hang on to it ,as it thinks its protecting you.It lives in fear and dies in fear.

    • @tompenick9368
      @tompenick9368 2 года назад

      @@daviddeida Thanks, that was an intelligent and helpful response. So much so that I wondered if you might be 'a somebody' so I googled your name, and sure enough, you have a website and you are an author of several books! And books of a difficult and challenging subject matter, at that. I read 'From Wildman to Wiseman' by Richard Rohr several years ago, and I loved it. So I respect anyone willing and able to tackle spirituality/sexuality/gender roles and who can do it in an honest way, especially in this current cultural climate.
      Anyway, thanks again for your response. You said a couple things that I have heard before, but frankly had forgotten, so it was good to be reminded. As a Sensor on the myers briggs, I tend to forget counterintuitive lessons as I'm pulled back to a (supposed) practical reality, which unfortunately seems to reaffirm the false/separate self. But I will check out your website.

    • @pandawandas
      @pandawandas Год назад

      Why can’t there just be an event that happens? Can’t there just be suffering?

  • @SabiazothPsyche
    @SabiazothPsyche 3 года назад +2

    Just because there may not be some kind of "center" in awareness, that doesn't also mean that there's no doer. The term "center" only confuses the ubiety (location) of the awareness. There may not be a center, but there's fullness nevertheless.

    • @mellowsunrays
      @mellowsunrays 3 года назад +1

      I dont think there is any confusion about it. The mind-body unit (person) is a doer at that level. Same way an institution or a country is doer in a larger collective unit.

    • @SabiazothPsyche
      @SabiazothPsyche 3 года назад

      @@mellowsunrays My Being is not aware about the composition of a "person" that you're referring to: but IT is aware that the "doer" is an activity of the psychic force (a precise single, active doer.)

    • @mellowsunrays
      @mellowsunrays 3 года назад

      @@SabiazothPsyche Your being is only aware of "doer" when you are thinking about it. So what you are referring to is essentially a "thought". Self referring thought occurs many times a day, and is very repetative to the extent that it feels continuous when you are making a unique or thrilling life decisions. But it still is a thought. When you are eating your regular dinner, the doer is nowhere to exist!

    • @SabiazothPsyche
      @SabiazothPsyche 3 года назад

      @@mellowsunrays From my own psychical experiences, a "thought" is instinctive; however, to "think" is a psychic activity: the same with a "doer", a psychic activity, so that the doer is also the thinker (the singled out, precised active "thinking doer",) that does 'exist' with awareness, that can manipulate the instinctive thoughts with its psychic thinking activity.

    • @mellowsunrays
      @mellowsunrays 3 года назад +1

      @@SabiazothPsyche I think I do not have much disagreement! I just tend to construct a "doer" any time we talk about "doer". And we all know it is not that, not a construct! My personal experience is awareness is inside the body, but without a locus or a great sense of focal doer. It always is a process of being aware, or just "being" for me. I think this difference shows different kind of training we have in these different traditions. I assume you are coming for advaita (I could be wrong). I come from buddist one.

  • @jimmybolton8473
    @jimmybolton8473 2 года назад +1

    I know what you guys are talking about I just have no better idea than you do.

  • @bigbreakster269
    @bigbreakster269 2 года назад

    have heart Adyashanti to tell truth and undo harm how you force beings into 'surrender' by damaging body and mind, as undestined, harnessing light bodies and soul energies. and forcing 'to love no matter what' hidden behind tortures and murders to forcefeully save canadian chinese mothers and children not even at your own life and light but at mine

  • @Jaikay1
    @Jaikay1 3 года назад +7

    Is Adyashanti actually just bill burr?

    • @Coleman.1957
      @Coleman.1957 3 года назад +1

      kind of.... sort of...

    • @Jaikay1
      @Jaikay1 3 года назад +1

      @@Coleman.1957 a lil bit

  • @Jaikay1
    @Jaikay1 3 года назад +1

    For the longest time I thought someone was sweeping outside, turns out it's Adya breathing LOL

  • @Itsjustme.369
    @Itsjustme.369 2 года назад

    11:02 My personal feeling of the "relaxing into unawareness" is like a sinking sensation

  • @drashutoshshrivastava771
    @drashutoshshrivastava771 3 года назад +1

    Nice one...where can I find out Sam and Jim newman interview?

  • @FromPlanetZX
    @FromPlanetZX 2 года назад +1

    How does Buddhism explain law of conservation of energy and law of thermodynamics on entropy.

    • @mikelisteral7863
      @mikelisteral7863 Год назад

      reality is eternal and eternally changing

    • @FromPlanetZX
      @FromPlanetZX Год назад +2

      @@mikelisteral7863 , now you're charting into Hinduism territory.

    • @phoenixj1299
      @phoenixj1299 Год назад

      ​@@FromPlanetZXHinduism and Buddhism is part of Sanatana dharma. These are two branches of one spiritual tradition of Sanatana dharma. Hinduism, Buddhism, Jainism are artificial divisions created recently.

  • @phoenixj1299
    @phoenixj1299 Год назад

    Hinduism and Buddhism is part of Sanatana dharma. These are two branches of one spiritual tradition of Sanatana dharma. Hinduism, Buddhism, Jainism are artificial divisions created recently.

  • @mikelisteral7863
    @mikelisteral7863 Год назад +2

    you cant maintain a busy materialistic life and then simultaneously hope to break through in meditation which requires deep surrender
    there is a reason monks live like monks

  • @lizzettorres1111
    @lizzettorres1111 3 года назад +3

    This is the last place I thought I'd see Sam Harris, I used to follow him when I was an athiest.

    • @_PL_
      @_PL_  3 года назад +2

      Sam's interviewed quite a number of spiritual and nondual teachers for his Waking Up app. He's also got a history of spiritual seeking and visiting gurus in India and elsewhere as far back as the early '90s.
      You mentioned that you used to be an atheist. How would you characterize your view now? In other words, in what way are you more theistic now?

    • @lizzettorres1111
      @lizzettorres1111 3 года назад +8

      @@_PL_ I'm awake, I had a spiritual awakning and felt God. I know that we are all eternal souls and part of God. I'm not religous and don't agree with what religions teach.

    • @drygordspellweaver8761
      @drygordspellweaver8761 3 года назад +9

      You’re not awake Lizzet you’re just less asleep. Humility will lead you to awakening so start there.

    • @squamish4244
      @squamish4244 3 года назад +2

      @@drygordspellweaver8761 She's both. She had an awakening. That is a VERY important inspiration for further awakening.
      Humility will lead to awakening, but so will constantly challenging the status quo and it's appalling success rate.

    • @drygordspellweaver8761
      @drygordspellweaver8761 3 года назад +3

      The ‘status quo’ is announcing on RUclips comments that one is awake. It’s all the rage these days.
      If all you had to do to awaken is change your user avatar to a sygil used by someone else’s culture that has been commercialized by western society then we may as well all be enlightened.

  • @jackwilley9847
    @jackwilley9847 2 года назад +1

    What kind of meditation is it when you just don't give a hoot too much and live your life?

    • @jonashjerpe7421
      @jonashjerpe7421 2 года назад +2

      That is not meditation. Buddhism talks about ignorance and degrees of ignorance as the contrast to the enlightened life.

    • @TomPrior16
      @TomPrior16 7 месяцев назад

      the best kind

  • @realtoast495
    @realtoast495 2 года назад

    If there is a mind, who is the one trying to calm the mind? And if there’s is one consciousness at play, then why doesn’t one persons waking up, wake up all other so called minds

    • @mikelisteral7863
      @mikelisteral7863 Год назад

      we have no direct evidence of other minds. its a belief

    • @phoenixj1299
      @phoenixj1299 Год назад

      You cant wake up something that doesn't exist. "Why doesn't one person waking up doesn't wake up all minds?" There is no mind while sleeping. Mind exists as long as thought exists. In sleep you are in no thought state. So there is no mind to wake up.

  • @mellowbirds4777
    @mellowbirds4777 3 года назад +1

    So what? Why is a state of mind being treated like a grand goal?
    Also, what is the value of reaching for the goal if the reaching itself is what obscures as they both admit?

    • @squamish4244
      @squamish4244 3 года назад +6

      You have to start somewhere. Otherwise the whole world would be enlightened without doing anything. "Use one thorn to dig the other thorn out and then throw them both away" is an old saying.

    • @Jaikay1
      @Jaikay1 3 года назад +1

      @Glenn-Douglas Haig THIS. Nailed it.
      The effort that Mellow Birds is perceiving is what happens when we come up against our conditioning, in my opinion.

  • @squamish4244
    @squamish4244 3 года назад +1

    I think the primary weakness of Adyashanti's Direct Path teachings is that it requires of people things that they simply don't have the concentration to achieve. If you can't keep your mind stable enough even to do self-inquiry, which is quite common, then you have a problem. For this and other factors, it appears the actual number of Adya's students who reach where he is at is very low and may actually be zero.

    • @daviddeida
      @daviddeida 2 года назад +3

      Your contribution is not to keep THE mind stable,it is to witness the mind being unstable.Who you are is not only what the mind says you are.

    • @vladn6031
      @vladn6031 Год назад

      You don't need crazy concentration to practice self inquiry.

    • @BLCKSQR
      @BLCKSQR Год назад

      try doing true self enquiry from the perspective of mind, or separate self. you will do that indefinitely

  • @raznatovicanastasija
    @raznatovicanastasija 2 года назад

    Ada thinks that there is really a reality, thus thinking that he is real. He thinks he is alive. That is duality. 🤞

    • @jonashjerpe7421
      @jonashjerpe7421 2 года назад

      He is quite clear about is existence. He also said it.

  • @Coleman.1957
    @Coleman.1957 3 года назад +2

    A child knows this… but we want to hear from a kind of… sort of … “ Celebrity “. Kind of

  • @Coleman.1957
    @Coleman.1957 3 года назад

    Adya said it was a part of the brain??? wth... kissing up to Sam

  • @gavinduggan1147
    @gavinduggan1147 3 года назад +7

    Love Adya. Sam, not so much.

  • @kasunlee.s1227
    @kasunlee.s1227 3 года назад +5

    WTH is that all about. Words words words

    • @squamish4244
      @squamish4244 3 года назад +5

      How else are you gone communicate anything?

    • @kasunlee.s1227
      @kasunlee.s1227 3 года назад

      @@squamish4244 Too many words ruin it all. It's not about grandiose words. This is not about intellectual gymnastics.

    • @squamish4244
      @squamish4244 3 года назад +1

      @@kasunlee.s1227 Adyashanti talks a great deal during his podcasts and retreats.
      As for intellectual gymnastics - it depends what kind of mind you have, as Adya pointed out. Many people do very well with a lot of detailed instruction, such as myself. The intellect is also leading to the development of Neuralink and other technologies that hold huge potential for making enlightenment more accessible.
      Others do very well with less instruction. And that's fine. But Adya's Direct Path approach is not a one size fits all. There are many paths to the light.

    • @kasunlee.s1227
      @kasunlee.s1227 3 года назад

      @@squamish4244 i have no problem with Adyashanti. I can listen to him giving a talk all day long actually -- that voice have a calming effect. I was talking about Sam Harris who thinks he can explain away, quantify, figure out everything by fencing with fancy words. Just like his talk with Jim Newman. He's just jittery as hell.

    • @squamish4244
      @squamish4244 3 года назад +1

      ​@@kasunlee.s1227 The same reasoning applies. Different minds will be attracted to different teachers. Sam Harris has reached millions of people with his book and his app who would be turned off by Adya's style. For myself, as I stated above, I don't think Adya quantifies things enough. Sure his voice is calm, but I followed him for years and didn't progress worth a damn.
      Besides, who do you think is better suited to give a talk about brain-computer interfaces, him or Adya?

  • @gavinduggan1147
    @gavinduggan1147 3 года назад +3

    Sam speaks in such a convoluted way that it’s very difficult to understand what he’s actually saying.

    • @NGEternal
      @NGEternal 3 года назад +4

      That's funny you say that because I feel the exact opposite way. He's dead accurate. He does repeat himself though, which can make it lengthier than necessary.

  • @larianton1008
    @larianton1008 7 месяцев назад

    Is this real or AI?

  • @jessewallace12able
    @jessewallace12able 6 месяцев назад

    Why do you have to call yourself something “Adyshanti”. Rhinestone glasses.

  • @dondouglas9035
    @dondouglas9035 3 года назад

    Who is Sam Harris? He doesn't seem to be up to speed on what he thinks he's talking about.

    • @j2futures500
      @j2futures500 2 года назад

      If he's been practicing meditation regularly for a # of years, then he knows. Teaching such knowledge, the deepest knowledge, the knowledge that removes the veil of ignorance is the most difficult thing to teach. More difficult to teach than any university course. Only a small few are good at it. Rupert Spira, Ramana Maharshi are very good. I find Adyashanti very good as well.

    • @dm3199
      @dm3199 2 года назад

      One of the four horsemen of atheism,
      established himself in intellectual circles skillfully bashing religion.
      He is not really genuine in his inquiry he is really interested in pushing his own agenda which is consciousness arises from complex biological forms not the other way around.