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🚨 The Adobe Empire Has Fallen
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- Опубликовано: 14 авг 2024
- Adobe just released their new terms of service which allows them to spy on you, steal your content, and resell it for their own gain.
I break down how Adobe is using your content to train their AI model and how you can opt-out of Adobe AI training.
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Here’s everything we covered in this video:
00:00 Intro
00:18 Adobe Terms of Service Explanation
01:28 Why AI Training Is Bad for Creatives
03:05 Why Adobe Changed It's Terms of Service
04:19 How Other Companies Are Also Stealing Data
04:48 Cara Instagram Alternative
05:09 Adobe's Clarification Statement
05:48 How You Can Stop Adobe From Spying on You
05:58 How to Opt-Out of Adobe Content Analysis
07:16 Meta's Opt-Out Controversy
07:38 What's The Permanent Solution?
08:34 Outro
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Will you still be using Adobe products after this?
You basically cant opt out though, the new term of use already demand you the right and license of your content for them to use anyway they like. If you dont agree with it, they'll cancel their cloud service and you lost all the file in their cloud.
DUMP ADOBE
@@huymaivan8671just imagine you're in the middle of big commercial project and time is running. What would you do? To which software would you move? Can you renegotiate the contract with your BIG customer?
ADOBE is a huge scam!
PS.
Try to regularly opt-out from the subscription - you'll find their next scam. The software stops working immediately but you are obligated to pay till the end of the contract (it's a yearly subscription, even though there are monthly payments). They are scamming people.
@@huymaivan8671 LoL what a great company. I just dont trust adobe. I remeber when used windows and it automatically by default had my files on the cloud. That was the last time I used stuff from companies like this. I went to Linux and OpenSource and I am not looking back. If I need a new Software, I will invest the time to create the tool before surrending my rights to another crazy cooperation.
All the professional designers who have years worth of working files they still constantly access are not going to jump ship so quickly. If you just a photoshop casual user then sure but if you daily use photoshop, indesign, illustrator etc and the integration of all your working files then walking away is HUGE!!
Adobe keeps finding new and creative ways to screw their legitimate customers, while we, the pirates, keep completely blocking all Adobe software from accessing Adobe and avoid all these problems…
you mean stopping phone homing?
I use paid adobe but im curious if there's already a way to gain access to AI features in your method.
Not only will I not use adobe, but If I ever decided to create a project, I am going to make sure nobody that works with me on those projects use it because this is not acceptable to me.
Many contracts probably prohibit use of Adobe products now, imagine working on an illustration that is of course to be EXCLUSIVELY licenced, if you're using Adobe you're giving them a licence as well which means by the contract you're prohibited from using Adobe.
I fully agree with you. Adobe must lose and lose customers, lose its share in the graphics software market, receive financial losses, and only this will begin to reach them. And only then will they start turning on the brain and thinking.
I switched to Affinity because I didn’t like Adobe’s subscription model. It does everything I need it to do plus it’s super affordable.
Same would have carried on using Adobe CS5.5 but upgraded to an M1 ARM based mac which of course wont run older intel based software, Affinity needs some improvement, changing the colour of brushes and making gradients is unnecessarily complicated, also rather annoyingly all my old PS Layer styles wont translate into Affinity, which means Ive got to redo all that work, hope they get those things sorted as its a major part of my work flow. But theres no way in hell I'm ever going back to Adobe and there subscription model !
Affinity can produce way much better quality of PDF files for press than Adobe. Believe it or not.
Thanks I'll go have a look at this 👍🏻
No one is talking about a big elephant in the room... As a GFX / creative service provider, you tend to work on someone else's IP, images, and content and then usually under a NDA.
You legally do not have the authority or rights to grant Adobe a license to use those file/images/etc.
Now what Adobe?
Exactly my concern!
How Adobe doesn't know this? How can they be so clueless about their own customers and their own product use cases?
Yep, that's my biggest issue. It's anti-contractor/business and leaves firms in a legal bind. For me, Adobe is now a brick and has to be removed from all pipelines. 😑
Exactly. And what if a user has NOT agreed to the new T&Cs and has moved to another platform. And then they find Adobe is already using it? Does that mean that they have stolen your work. Does that open them to litigation? Should be fun.
ps: Adobe are so far behind the rest of the Big players re AI that they are doing everything they can do to get ahead. It won't work as they are too late. They should have said that 'Please let us use your content, and then we will add to the AI and we will give you a Huge discount on annual fees)
and if you do there is a precedent that suggests both you individually and the corporation may become liable.....Never mind military contractors and high-level security situations.
According to that new terms of service, they can also ignore your opt out sometimes, when they feel like it, without telling you.
Unbelievable. I will rob you, I have opted you in first - because good ux (for our shareholders). But even if you opt out, we will occasionally still rob you. thanks for paying us to do so. sincerely - Adobe (we will use you and your work to make you obsolete)
Let me get this straight. You pay Adobe a hefty monthly fee to use their software to create art or edit your photos and they can also use what you created for profit?
If Adobe gets a money from your art work then they should only get some sort of finder's fee and you should get the rest of the profit.
They are using your images and data to develop a program that they will then sell to users to bypass the need to ever use your creative skills again. Not only that but they will be policing the data you have and may censor anything they deem a problem to them. That photo of your kid, deleted as it may be kiddy porn. Think of have ham fisted google is about censoring comments and videos on YT.
Blog post is not a legal document in a EULA. So, no matter what they say in a blog post means nothing
As a professional high-end video editor for 35 years I was a real fanboy of Adobe after effects. Living in Vegas I went to every NAB and hung out at the Adobe area always excited to see what new developments were coming. The last NAB I went to was about 12 years ago around the time I retired. I learned from many folks in the crowd there was a rumor that Adobe would be changing all its software to subscription. I was shocked and quite angry about it. I kept asking Adobe employees whether this was true and they just kind of looked down at the ground . There was no way in hell I was going to continue supporting adobe. Years later I decided it would be fun to see where editing software was 10 years later so I discovered some wonderful alternatives to Adobe. Photo lab seven is a spectacular raw editor that blows away light room. Da Vinci resolve is another fine editor that competes very well with premier. I never found anything that really replaced after effects because there is a big difference between it and da Vinci Fusion. Adobe is a dirty word to me and I hope they rotten hell for all the greedy decisions they've made.
A good replacement for After Effects is Cavalry
@@ivan-_-8577 Never heard of Cavalry, but I see it's another RENTAL. So, hard pass here.
I have been using Affinity for years.
I'm not even a Graphic Designer, I'm a Developer.
Divorced Adobe about 5 years ago. Hasn’t really been a bad thing for me.
I am VERY MUCH DONE with Adobe
I barely just got started but I suppose I'll move on now...
@@MountainLWolf Youre new so youre less rusted into the workflow and UI. I can really suggest trying something different. The older you get the harder it will be to get used to different work environments.
So we pay Adobe to train our replacement (A👁) using our data and content for free?
I left them years ago after they specifically went to their “subscription model”….as soon as this occurred I ditched them like a bad habit. 💥👊😆💥
The number and power of Adobe's competitors grows daily. Back to the good old days when You picked your favorite tools and made stuff that made you happy.
So when we are saving PDFs with medical records, they are saying they can take them and publicly release the patients info??? Or financial records??? Think of all the financial documents sent back and forth for signing using Adobe Acrobat.
It seems Adobe has no idea on how their own product is used.
@@pedrob3953 ... which is apparently why they are trying their best to find out, consent be damned.
If you work in/with medial anything, HIPAA is going to have legal departments everywhere are going to be forcing users off of Adobe IMHO.
Exactly ... Medical records, financial records, bank records .. I want to know the answer to this too. Terrifying.
@@equinox6944 If Adobe were smart they would clarify that they don't and CAN'T look at anything not stored to the cloud or using AI. If they need to for tech support it should ask and require the user to approve it.
Adobe believes in creativity. See how creative they are at pulling one over artists.
So glad I moved on from Adobe years ago.
As a former Macromedia Freehand user, I no longer trust Adobe for years. Adobe has always been an evil company that always abuses its position of power.
The social media generation slowly realizing that agreements and privacy are actually important and that clicking yes and saying you have nothing to hide isn't very smart.
Companies will always take advantage of people like you.
True! Taking the time reading the agreements will also paint a very stark image of what kind of a corporation it is behind the product you want to sign up for. In the case of Adobe it has become increasingly clear that they do everything in their power to screw their customers as much as possible. Of all the different directions they could have followed they chose to go for one of the most nefarious one possible! That never ends well in the long run.
Wth this good society move Yes 2000s internet is slowly coming back.
I can proudly state that I use no Adobe products. Used to use Photoshop and Premiere but not for the last 5 years. Affinity, Blender, Resolve and Nuke are my tools of choice now. Premiere sucks bigly anyways
As a Canadian photographer say I'm working on photo assignments for Tourism British Columbia. I take and edit images that I then upload to their platform. However, these images are not my personal content as I was hired under contract with Tourism British Columbia. Consequently, I, as the contracted photographer, do not possess the rights or authority to grant Adobe a license to use these images, videos, or files. I also refrain from using Adobe’s cloud services due to trust concerns. Additionally, I disagree with some comments below suggesting that creators with decades of experience using Adobe products are unwilling to switch to a new application. Batch editing and converting to a new file format can be done easily.
Do you mean there is a way to batch convert inDesign files to alternate software format that retains all global paragraph and character styles, all layers, master pages etc etc???
There is no reason to use Adobe given the access to so many free open source alternatives. There is nothing that Adobe can do that i cannot do in something else.. for free.. and nobody snooping around my box.
There is one, and that is lazyness of learning new software. Theres a ton of veterans, companies and regular users that just are too used to it and its hard to give it up. Also we have to wait till its not the industry standart anymore, because that stops ppl aswell from using smth else (this is the reason I still use it
Would you list the software you use?
list me free options for AE and Premiere that doesn't have a huge learning curve or does less than the adobe stuff can
@@joemama1132 DaVinci Resolve and Unreal Engine.
So, can you please list Adobe alternatives?
There is a lot of talk about is being potentially illegal to use Adobe cloud if your under non-disclosure or local privacy laws etc. , not OK to give peoples image/art to Adobe if your collaborating with others etc.
Makes me glad I chose to use apps from smaller businesses and a load of arts community driven open source. No AI.. No subscription. Happy clients.
Would you please share these apps, consider shifting away from Adobe here, thank you
Can you please share them?
I'll point out what I did on a similar video. Adobe is in violation of copyright law. If I buy copyright art for a project, Adobe can bypass the copyright by either scrapping from the creator or gathering data from someone inserting a copyright image or document into their ap from another source.
I switched to DaVinci resolve many years ago, best decision I ever made. It surpassed Adobe already and GPU rendering with 4090 rtx is just on a whole other level.
I’ve been considering this switch myself as well.
Even the long standing Acrobat Reader looses to Sumatra PDF in ease of usability. Adobe is done.
They have actually some of these terms before. I noticed a dangerous trend when they were working on their Ai. Maybe Adobe needs new leadership in the company. The good new is Affinity is having a flash sale.
I had the photo plan for Lightroom, but I immediately canceled when I heard about this. Had to pay a $10 fee to cancel early. I'll just get Luminar the next time I need to edit photos.
I just went ahead and cancelled Adobe. I'll figure out how I can do what I need to do without being spied on, stolen from, or financially abused.
This is similar to the way they harvest mink. An electric cattle prod is inserted rectally to terminate the mink and harvest its fur without damage.
"When companies think they have enough data" - as someone working in IT, hell will probably freeze before that ever happens.
Adobe will still dominate until companies stops using it, and opens up to other alternative programs.
Adobe is so entrenched in so many places.
The majority of job listings require you to know Adobe products.
This is what I'm saying, unless you're into freelancing good for you, but in big companies, Adobe is still the industry standard.
If companies leave its going to take at least a few years for them to do so as they update anything.
I've been saying this for years. I own all my content. I use open source. Need to make .svg files? InkScape, Need photoshop? Gimp or Krita. All are free, and you OWN your content. Not to mention the opensource aspect allows you to add what features you want or plugins. For years I showed how to make skins avoiding Adobe and Corel. There is no reason to RENT software so it can be stolen. Adobe is NOT an Industry standard. Don't be a loaf. Use open source.
And don’t forget the constant updates, lengthy startup times, and ever-bloating program size for Adobe products. I switched to the Affinity Suite 2 years ago.
I opted out of paying adobe long ago via sailing the 7 seas
Lol. gotcha. No more walking the plank monthly.
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lol same but i still have an adobe account so im afraid they can still have my stuff...
They have lost their mind. Obviously I cancelled everything adobe.
But what if Disney employees use Adobe?
Will Adobe risk a lawsuit just for the sake of AI?
Not to mention the opt out settings aren’t reliable in the courtroom. Imagine saying “you honor, I have opted out but still my artworks are used to train AI”
“Have you?”
“Yes your honor… here… WAIT…”
Meanwhile Adobe at the back purposefully ticking the opt in settings while you’re not looking
Thank Grayson for being HONEST & COURAGEOUS to speak out against Adobe's SHADY practice. The saddest thing is as of today June 14th, 2024, approximately ONLY 13 RUclipsrs including you have spoken out against Adobe. One of the reasons is, I believe, the users have to find alternative apps that work for them. Many of them now use Luminar Neo or Capture One instead. They are not perfect but they have perpetual license and subscription plans.
Affinity Photo = Photoshop
Affinity Designer = Illustrator
Affinity Publisher = InDesign
Same tools, you literally won't be missing out!
Choose Affinity and never look back!
-Happy Affinity User
Love Affinity 😍👍
Take control use Affinity !!!😎👍
Capture One, Affinity Pro, here I come! All in on those lifetime keys. Piracy on Adobe is justified to protect your art and IP.
Actually unsubscribing because I like C1 more already.
If it is not about AI. Why the need to spy on your paying customers?
Feelsbadman. I've spent some money on plugins for the products and now I'm just throwing it all in the trash. Not going to continue using adobe products, unless they do a 180 like unity did after their fiasco. And even then the trust is damaged for sure.
You forgot about possible Breaches in NDAs. If somebody is using Adobe (assuming after the change) and is working on something under an NDA, they have access to what you are working on (including the work) which could breach the NDA since Adobe has access to it at least from my understanding.
they have been doing this for over a year, if you didnt know about it, it was set to default as an option to steal your content and feed their AI
I hope adobe ends up leaking some disney product and get in a legal battle with them lol
Why is anyone worried about Adobe doing what Midjourney has already done on a massive scale?
" David Holz, the founder of Midjourney, recently admitted something we’ve already assumed: the company’s AI was trained on hundreds of millions of images without consent from their authors."
"Back in September, Holz gave in an interview to Forbes, revealing that his company didn’t seek consent from artists when using their work for AI training. He justified it with the lack of possibility to “get a hundred million images and know where they’re coming from.”
What Adobe do or do not do in this regard is irrelevant because- as the video points out- it's Midjourney that won the race to become the dominant player in the image generation space- and they did it the old fashioned way- by cheating- simply helping themselves to the work of milions of creatives without permission.
I will be canceling my sub before my year sub is up.
Or you can just use photoshop old version back then when Creative Cloud didn;t involved yet. ( the pirated one to be more specific)
@huymaivan8671 Or you can use a more up to date software. Affinity Photo. Right now they have a 50% off sale (in response to Adobe screwing up) you own this software and it is right now a one time fee of about $35. If you are nervous about trying it out, they have a free trial but it might not still be on sale after the free trial. The only downside is it doesn't have all of those A.I. features.
When you generate AI images you can still get a watermark from the sites that the AI companies have ise, like ShutterStock and so on, so if all Adobe users came up with one and same logo they could place at the same spot on their images, like a logo saying "Adobe suck donkey balls", maybe then then "Creative fill" will just add that logo for users :-D
There is an advantage of dumping Adobe. You loose the "Adobe look" that comes from their well guarded algorithms. Use other gfx apps and your work will appear less similar to that produced by the main apps and potentially stand out.
It's simply the continuing increase in tech fascism.
If you're not supporting FOSS (Free Open Source Software) alternatives you really should think about it now. If they can get the funding they can be a realistic alternative so we can say "adios" to this nonsense. Unity had to learn the hard way. Adobe and everyone else will as well.
Canceled my shit
Can anyone tell me what the's latest versions of Adobe PS & LR are before they moved to a subscription model? Is it PS7 or the ones in CS2? I'm gonna torrent those standalone, offline versions from TPB and RARBG tonight. TIA
the exact way to return those terms: I reserve my self the right to use your software without paying in order to develop and improve my skills, so that later on i may buy your software.
Pretty much the same EULA as most apps. You give up the rights to your content when you upload to most services to post on social media. The metadata is immediately stripped “for your privacy 🙄” and replaced by each apps own.
i will not be renewing my subscription with them and the majority shouldn't!
Clearly the solution is to give them the worst possible content to steal and waste their time filtering through it all
...or everything on Behance
Even though I don't use the cloud service, I'm still on CS6 and AP.
Adobe is trying to shortcut to enhance their AI products. They’re trying to gain an edge over competitors, which could even be their own users. Pretty scumbag of a move.
Adobe owes all those who've spent $ thousands of dollars on Adobe products PLUGINS and PRESETS, TEXTURES and other add ons, and the manufacturers of those add ons an apology and possibly some recompense.
My last purchase of Adobe products was the Creative Suite 2. That was long before they went full subscription mode and began to take our creative rights into their own hands. Once they implemented members-only, I quit and never looked back.
Adobe got away with a lot to of trash for years because there wasn't proper competition. And as soon as people wanna leave Adobe is making it hard and finally the USA government is getting involved and suing them for what they was doing for years. Only way to fix their BIG problems is lowering their prices and listening to the end users.
I personally stopped use any of adobe products about 2017. I use alternatives from Serif and edit my videos in alternative software to. And yeah, I am a professional and use it every single day. So is not to say that well I just don't use any software. I do it because of my work. I left adobe since they begin to force people for monthly subscription, instead of one-time payment. I truly believe that this approach is toxic and criminal.
Hey guys, we all misunderstand Adobe. Adobe are trendsetters, pioneers and boldly pressing forward towards a future where EVERY software company would love to be but don't have the guts to do so yet. Adobe are the only ones who are sticking their necks out for all other software companies who will end up benefiting from the course Adobe is charting right now. I GUARANTEE that a couple of years from now, EVERY software company will have similar terms of service as Adobe is introducing right now, and we as consumers will have gotten so used to it so that we won't even care any more because we won't have a choice and there will be nothing we will be able to do about it. So, brace for a future set by Adobe. Adobe may be dead by then, but rest assured that their spirit will live on. It's the spirit of human nature.
That's why I never buy any software that not only doesn't let user to own the program, but wants to know what projects I make in Autodesk or Adobe. I'm sorry, no.
How much are they actually able to spy if you only work offline? I know I have to go online occasionally for updates and yeah, a lot of stuff happens then. But otherwise i really do everything offline and never touch the cloud. Am I relatively safe for diluding myself?
BEST WAY TO OPT OUT: Cancel subscription (include a lovely comment why you're unsubscribing)
4:11 exactly my point: Them stealing from me is good for me, because Adobe Software - I am stuck with - will not lose the compettition to midjounrey etc. - therefore there is no real problem to me. Adobe does not actual steal, they train AI like everyone does.
If they would do it literal, take a screesnhot and use it unaltered in their designs, the would be sued immedeatly or the shit storm would be enormous....
I just stuck with cs3. My computer that i work on my photos with has NEVER been on line.
I just can't understand why are these companies doing this to us artist? Why can't they treat us artist with respect.
Bought Affinity V2 Universal License this morning
good move, everyone should do this. at the price, there's nothing to lose, and affinity is great.
@@LV4EVR exactly, I already used Davinci Resolve and now the last piece of the not-adobe-puzzle is solved. I looked at the upgrade prizes and I couldn't resist to hop on the Affinity train :)
Canva bought Affinity some time ago so let's see what happens
@@jay10242 I know the name Canva but I don't know anything about that company or their conduct. Can you tell me why you say that?
So what are you suggesting? Turn off the file sharing in Adobe account?
There are no settings for me to adjust in Data and Privacy Settings page. It just says under "Connected Apps" There are no third party apps connected to your account. I am not getting the options seen in this video to turn off content analysis or desktop app usage. The descriptions and toggles aren't even there. They are gone. How can I fix this? I have Adobe Creative Cloud.
If you get Adobe from your university or work then you might not have administrative access to change this setting
Is that how they get those images when you start up the software cause I'd really love to see something new every time I run premier.
Glad I've never used Adobe for anything other than reading .PDF's.
They know that the days of the content creators are numbered.
Stable diffusion, mid journey, everyone is doing it with or without your permission. Whos gonna stop them?
Oh dear. I need to switch from Acrobat Pro - whats the alternative guys?
It's about time people wake up and stop signing contracts without reading them!
Adobe needs to go out of business.
Hoping affinity designer can topple illustrator
Big question. Is Adobe accessing your content via the Behance type of cloud thing, or actually as you're working in the apps? There was always that pop-up with Cloud apps that said "Photoshop would like permission to record the screen..."
If you have trouble logging in to CreativeCloud tomorrow morning, it’s cause Adobe watched this video
Problem of adobe is they are greedy especially the annual subscription. And after that you can’t use it. Thank god I switched already.
This AI technology has to be regulated asap
Im at the end of my graphic design degree and I see in job market adobe product is required, looks like most companys get adict their products to adobe. I switch while ago to affinity and its not only procing but also stability (works way better not that havy on my intel i7 mac) less buggy and less tasks in background of my machine. As a student have school licence to use adobe so for now I learn both software- I hope job market trend will change and more profesiinals will switch 😊 Watching blender bussines model I think we need kind of open equivalent in design word (like blender, penpod, etc but proffesional way)😊seriously Im too busy with my artworks to constantly dealing with similar problems - I just want to work 😊
I’m done with adobe, I thank God that they didn’t adquire Figma, I’m switching to Affinity Photo and Designer.
Currently using cs6, so like 12 year old software for graphics so that seems fine, i have updates off. Nothing goes to their cloud. But I'm learning inkscape just in case i need or want to switch.
I don't think they're spying on my Photoshop 6.0 from 2001. Remember when you could buy software? Crazy anyone would fall for that online subscription model. People are just sheep.
underneath the concerns of property and remuneration is the battleground between the individual and the corporation. Good luck....
In an era of instant communication it’s quite incredible how hard it is to unsubscribe from Adobe products…☹️
Even if you opt out do you trust Adobe to not use your data anyway. I don’t
Opened up my windows computer the other day after not using it in a while... after an hour or so realized I hadn't touched any proprietary software. Yep, at times there are limitations, and I gave up a lot of brushes, but been Adobe free for years now. It pushed me to try new stuff; believe it or not, I use Blender3D the way I once used Illustrator.
What can I do to stop it? CANCEL and Delete.
Machine AI is the umbrella term and AI is the byproduct of said umbrella. Adobe is trying to hide the fact they’re using AI.
*machine learning
Ultimately adobe appears to to distancing itself to creatives. Theres a massive new market where anyone can create by typing their desires into a text field and being rewarded. This is the market adobe is now chasing, creatives dont matter!
Your thumbnail made me click but your backdrops made me stay 😅
Don’t believe adobe’s new updated terms. They are using slick wording which you THINK you understand, you won’t! Scale back your plan and make plans to get out of adobe!