UK E-BIKE Laws NEED CHANGING/UPDATING
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- Опубликовано: 1 окт 2024
- All this ebike stuff in the media recently has made me think about the situation and ways to possibly combat it and suggestions on improving the laws and adapting to modern times of electric transport. These are just my ideas and thoughts.
UK E Bike Laws are seriously out dated
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I think 500w 20mph and a throttle should be the limit without a licence not stupid 15.5mph
Nice simple little changes. 20mph is definitely better than 15.5mph
Cheers for input
Screw the law its a joke and anyone looking to buy a ebike thats not road legal just go for it as long as you're not riding it like a lunatic the police will leave you alone saying that there isn't many police about these days.
A full car driving licence would be sufficient, and you can ride what you want. It gets cars off the road. I would prefer a fast electric bike instead of my car, which I pay a fortune for.
If you passed your test before 2001 you can have a 4000w electric moped up to 28mph without any training needed.
Yes it means you've had experience on two wheels. I agree electric bikes for majority are practical and cheap compared to a car. Government want to make money not save it for us. All the same
Throttle upto 10mph for 14 to 17 yr Olds and max 250w motor and 15.5mph, 17 to 21 throttle to 20mph and 500w max motor and they must have public liability insurance, I have it for my bike and it costs a massive £32 a year and the bike frame number is on the policy, 21+ 25mph 30 max with 1000w motor with full throttle control, if you want faster you can get an electric moped.
As a white van driver, I see ebikes everywhere delivering takeaways when I am doing deliveries myself.
I personally don't have a problem with them and can see the argument for allowing them to legally up their motors, speeds etc. The majority I see ridden by deliveroo/uber/justeat etc are a lot more powerful than the goverment legal limits (I never see them pedaling and they keep pace with traffic so are doing over 20mph usually).
My issue is with the riders and how many of them are ridden awfully (ignoring stop signs, changing lanes without indication etc.). I have had several near collisions over the last few years with ebikes being ridden like the rider has a deathwish.
I Personally I feel they should allow all ebikes but mandate the second you fit an electric motor to a bike you need to pay a new combined road tax / insurance to the goverment so everyone is covered for accidents and they can only be ridden if they have a number plate fittedon the front linked to their licence (so offenders can be caught and fined for jumping lights etc.).
We allow horses and super cars on the road that are a lot more dangerous than ebikes. It's not the bikes that is the issue it's people riding them like idiots imho.
Also agree about the lights. Would be a big help. The giant takeaway backpacks are pretty visible at night but if it's foggy they can be pretty hard to spot.
First, We need to address the fact that e-bikes are constantly stolen. So. How to treat thieves & what electronic ways can we make bikes unstealable.
Secondly e-bikes must have indicators at least at the rear
Thirdly they must have to have bells &/or horns to warn pedestrians
Fourthly. Is there a body representing cyclists. If not why not? We need one
All this is urgent & ALL Labour prospective parliamentary candidates need to be contacted.
Love to all
Sorry too many thieves in the Uk, stay in your car till all thieves gets in prison 😂😂
The laws are absolutely dumb.
I have a full motorcycle licence. So have went through ALL the appropriate training to use and operate a motorcycle safelyin ANY situation.
I have also been riding mountainbikes and BMX's since i was a nipper.
We used to stick old 2stroke engines on them essentially creating pitbikes and basic crossers.
When we got a bit older we bought real ones or got full mx bikes and STILL harmed nobody.
We ripped about woods and fields and quarrys harming nobody but ourselves for most of my childhood years. And before all the Karens complained to the nanny state about everything we had a great time.
Then laws were passed outlawing use of motorised unlicenced vehicles outside of private land and the shixx storm started
Suddenly anytime you were out doing something constructive having a blast on your bike,
You got reported. Police turned up and you got moved on.
or worse the bikes taken if you got a JOBSWORTH.
Ebikes and scooters came along and they are everywhere
Some of them derestricted can do 50 60 miles an hour.
But nobody bats an eyelid how fast a pushbike or an ebike or a scooter goes because they dont make the noise a pitbike does.
Untill they HIT someone because they are silent where-as youd have heard a 190 beast coming a mile off and stepped out of the way.
If pushbikes are allowed then ebikes pitbikes and anything that isnt a full sized mx bike or road bike shouldn't need a licence. And should be classed as a Toy.
Its none of the goverments business to be taking kids bikes off them.
Its bad enough half of them dont want to go out. AND sit on tiktok and instagram or xbox all day
They are bringing in laws and restrictions and safety this and safety that IN to police every bit of entertainment the youth have then wonder why they are bored.
Maybe because any time you try to go out on your bike your harassed by police, or karens or some womble who cant see anyone doing something they wouldnt have the fortitude to try.
Cotton wool country where if you live in a rural area ride a pitbike around to get places and play up the feilds and woods you are labeled andtisocial
The goverment has its nose in TOO MUCH of our business anyway to go allowing them MORE powers to take our stuff and tell us what we can and cant do.
No VICTIM NO CRIME
They way i see it.
Whatever the vehicle.
Provided you are operating it safely, carefully and not harming or endangering anyone, it should be NOBODY ELSES business what you do with your OWN property.
Provided you are not tresspassing, damaging or harming anything or anyone or behaving in a dangerous antisocial manner.
IT SHOULD NOT enter into the juristiction of police unless you comitt an offence or "crime"
MY PROPERTY is MY PROPERTY i should be allowed to ride it where i choose to aslong as im doing it safely..
END OF ARGUMENT.
Johnny, I like your intellectual approach and reasoned thinking to this. However, I believe it’s still too heavy handed. I also think that the idea of a limited burst throttle becomes moot when a bike is limited to 250w. I love England and I’m proud to be British, but I could not live back home ever again given the state of laws and law enforcement in the UK. Any accident involving an ebike gets publicity, yet the thousands of motoring accidents daily on Uk roads rarely make the headlines. Love the diversity of content you put on the channel, and looking forward to your next upload! Cheers, and be well my friend!
It's so difficult to work out a solution I totally understand that, I'm trying to gauge opinions and get feedback.
Really you don't think a burst throttle would be any good ?
It's interesting hearing others opinions.
I know it's our news outlet's they do it with most things, mountain out of mole hills. It's gone all #£#£ up hear and the left is in control of papers so they publicise what they consider important.
Thank you
So so many people killed and seriously injured by Car's yet media target Ebikes.
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I like your theory on all of this. But unfortunately our laws which are retarded may I add. Won't allow it.
But if you ask me. There gonna have no choice but to allow us to have throttle legal ebikes. If there going hard on electric cars then in my opinion the laws need changing. I honestly believe it will change. Because if they don't they know they aint gonna be able to stop it. People are already riding them and will continue too. I myself do. But keep up what you believe in mate. You aint alone
I know what you mean it's something good to talk about and hear others opinions.
Cheers
I think almost all here have misinterpreted the current law. You can legally ride a 250w, no throttle and 15.5mph limited ebike on the public roads without a license or anything else. If you have a motorcycle license you can ride any specification ebike aslong as you have it registered, insured and taxed like a motorcycle. Also, you can ride what you like off road without anything as it only states for public roads. Personally I think the proposed law changes, upping to 500w and making a full throttle legal, is the best scenario. I think 15.5 mph is a good speed for electrical assist, you can always go faster with pedaling and gears. Having double the power will get you up hills twice as good at a steady speed, which is the biggest benefit of having an ebike. The throttle makes an ebike accesible to everyone, creating a green, affordable and no barrier mode of transport (great for cities) that will bring down congestion and pollution in cities especially. Clearly the best solution, don't you think?
I think having pedal assist only can have safety advantages such as:-
- the act of pedaling indicates to other road users your intent and they can gauge better what the rider is doing.
- Throttle has the risk of making the rider complacent and less alert/engaged?
ALthough crossing main road is safer with a throttle.
Makes so much sense 15.5 mph isn't fit for purpose.
American law system seems better.
Yeah it should be divided into age brackets, there could also be special tracks where teenagers and young people can pay to ride high powered electric bikes with supervision without needing to be a certain age or have done the tests. They definitely want people to keep using the normal motor vehicle system and for the e-bikes to remain an overpriced moderately useful gadget for older people or pro mountain bikers. They don't really want young people to be using it for commuting at low cost.
Low cost is an instant no no for them that won't pay the dividends.
When I was growing up we had 3 local motocross tracks we could just go and use for free with our bikes, none of that now so kids do it outside the local coop etc. , they wonder why it happens. The reason for closure was noise, no excuses with electric.
Roads ebikes are another thing they need to support. I think in the 70s most people had small cc mopeds, pedal and pop and they slowly fazed them out because so economical for public. The place is a joke
Great Video Johnny they will find some way to regulate us I do think insurance protects other road users in collisions I think insurance company's will be hesitant to insure ebikes as we hear all the time they are fire hazards so I'm gonna carry a fire bucket😅😅
Its a tricky 1 I think but so useful they need using more some how so the majority are happy and government get the slice of the cake not just in money but congestion, pollution and noise pollution it's a no brainer.
Cheers mate I appreciate the feedback
Hi Johnny
Definitely agree with throttle, and definitely lights, certainly on the road at least - gotta be seen. Most people really misunderstand the need for a throttle, especially with a de -railieur, if you stop on a hill in too high a gear you're stuffed, you'll never get going again, unless you've got a Nexus hub that is! It only needs to be a walking throttle ie: 4mph, you'll be amazed at the difference this makes. But yes I do think if like Me you've got a full car, and full motorcycle license, then you can have a 2000watt from the off, just restricted to 28mph, and compulsory helmet without doubt. Great topic Johnny
Daron
Hello mate some great feedback there, I wanted to put it out there to brain storm to finely tune it some. Won't please everyone that's for sure. The throttle is vital and yes it's dodgy when in wrong gear from a stand still.
Some people might have certain needs so they might need more throttle otherwise people will say its discrimination and persecution for only having 1 leg and identifying as a #@£*&%£ whatever. Its going bonkers. Thanks for some input mate. You were close to me the other day I see you visited Bourton
@@motomachinezuk8786 haha yeah Bourton, unfortunately I was there without the bike, and only there for 30mins to meet up with My brother from America, then We dashed to Gloucester to watch My nephew play a football match. I will definitely give you a shout when We visit Fritwell next, dying to have a blast with you and bullhead! PS: I would also love a quick go of your 3000watt triangle build, just to compare it to My 2000watt triangle build
Take care Johnny, and again great, and very emotive topic
Daron
28 mph scooter on a car licence. why not e-bike.
I know a lot of people saying that pedal assist is dangerous
Anyone one using logic or sense yes why not that's fair 🤷
But to the money men it doesn't add up so no push towards expensive electric cars for now.
@motomachinezuk8786 I've heard if you dont do 15000 miles a year electric car is not with it.
What is your real range on a full battery?
A good 20 to 30 keeping good speed with a bunch of good hills
If you want e-bikes available to all, with the same rules as for pedal bikes - don't change the laws.
I can see no need for a throttle, except for people with disabilities. I have ridden normal bikes all my life, and have never had a problem starting (even on hills) and I am now 67. E-bikes have 250W motors to assist, so are even easier to ride off from stationary (with minimal latency, particularly on e-bikes with torque sensors). And you should not pull out in front of cars if you only have a couple of seconds to get out of the way.
If you want something more powerful, get an electric moped, scooter or motorbike. The options are already there.
I repeat: don't change e-bike laws.
the uk government set the limits so low so that virtually every ebike in the country is illegal . they then prosecute you for motoring offences racking up points on your driving licence and £££ in fines. i don't think its fair that anyone should lose their licence or their car insurance goes up just cause they got nicked riding a 1500w ebike in the woods. they should make it 17yrs and under 250w max throttle or not. 17yrs and over 500w £30 per year, 1000w £50 per year and so on upto a max 2000w. you register the serial number of the bike when you buy the permit and £10 extra per bike and you can ride wherever you can ride a pedal bike.
At least the government would be getting a share of the cake that way. I'm getting some good feed back and other ideas now
Cheers
I have a CBT and ride around on a 6000w electric moped all the time yet my 1000w electric bicycle is not allowed lol. They need to update the law so you can ride a more powerful than 250w bike if you've got a cbt or any motorcycle license.
That's what I mean it doesn't make sense unless the government think they can massively profit from it. Technically they would because people would spend more on other stuff so they get it one way or the other.
What 6000w scooter you got ?
Cheers
@@motomachinezuk8786 niu GT EVO it's 5kw base but peaks at around 6200-6500w or so. Very pricey bit of kit but it does over 60mph and is a 72v system so acceleration is insane.