@@sergioaugustonilsenribeiro1230 Thanks! Actually I don't know these drummers. Can you paste a couple of links for me and for others that would like to check them out?
@@Pietro.Valente Here's Tony Thompson with Power Station, Get It On "Bang A Gong" (Rehearsal) < ruclips.net/video/J0XdQD6RMMo/видео.html >. But a lot of disco hits had him as a drummer. He, and Phil Collins plays with Led Zeppelin on the 1985 Live Aid < ruclips.net/video/mUHM0TF2xIQ/видео.html >. You can listen "Wipe Out" here < ruclips.net/video/-YusHyd-duQ/видео.html >. This drummer inspired Eddie Van Halen to play drums, but Alex began practice on his brother's instrument, so Eddie took up Alex's guitar.
Amazing virtuosity and a great selection! As for missing from the list, maybe one of the guys like QuestLove who's learned to play traps with the displaced snare Dilla feel? And all the Cuban guys from the 90s. And Kenny Clarke. And probably more than one JB drummer should be in there. And Al Jackson Jr., Benny Benjamin, Pistol Allen, and the guy who played on all those Aretha records.
A bit strange that Ringo Star is not among Top 10 most influential. While maybe not on the same technical level as some of others, he is definitely among the most influential drummers ever, one of those that "changed the game" and that made people look at the drums differently. Keith Moon was also highly influential... Also, Steve Smith (Journey 1978-1985) could (should?) have been in Top 50... Btw, you're making great videos, keep up the good work!
Thanks! Yes Ringo definitely very influential but didn't bring as many new concept and ideas as for example Bonham in rock or even Mitchell for instance. Moon very innovative but just a bit less famous. Steve was in my initial top 80 list but I had to cut him out just because less famous.
Yes, all of them great drummers. The first 2 you mentioned were in my list and it was very difficult to cut them out but at the end I had to give the spots to more famous drummers. I suppose I could make a video with the most undervalued drummers in history!
.. '' brutto '' vedere l' impugnatura della Sinistra ..dritta/grip-Rock., per eseguire dei brani di JAZZ,.!!,. Poi invece per i brani ''rocking+soul' la ''grip'' va bene,..-
This I amazing bro, you killed it. The smooth ass transitions and such a nicely rounded roster, I was so surprised to see gospel chops! I wonder how you feel about Tony royster Jr.'s work, he has always been my personal fave . Keep doing what you love brother!💯🐐
I'm figuring out how would I actually do this (even if I could play the drums like this). This is an antidote to the insta-tiktoks of today. Thank you!
I know I'm months late, but one of my favorite drummers is Philip Selway from Radiohead. His grooves and tightness of playing are amazing, especially on In Rainbows. That album has some of the hardest drumbeats I've ever heard, like on 15 Step and Videotape. It's okay you hadn't added them, but just wanted to give them a shout-out, as if they need it.
Marco is one of the best drummers ever but in this video I gave priority to the influence and a big part of it is fame. Marco kind of missed a famous band to play with so not enough people know him
@@RedNightDragon1 yes, it would be interesting to have an absolute scale of the influence some drummers had on other more popular drummers, because that's often the case, but I think it's impossible to have this kind of data 😅
Thanks! He was originally in my list (of about 80 drummers), I had to make choices but to be completely honest I probably wouldn't be able to play his stuff!
@@Pietro.Valente Good to know and makes sense, haha. I think you could play Closed Eye Visuals, though, much more about groove than technical drumming.
Very nice! Maybe you could have left out Nick Mason in favor of one of Gilmours solo drummers to (rightfully) "somehow" include Pink Floyd ;) ... And exclude Watts... oh god, Charly Watts... Edit: Did I miss King Crimson? Edit #2: Nevermind. You included Bruford Band. I did like Mastelottos late construkction of light stuff though. Edit #3: Oh yeah, I find your lack of Tomas Haake and Martin Lopez disturbing :(
Thanks! Yes Charly probably one of the less skilled of the list but it's really hard to cut Rolling Stones considering my main goal is to show influence. Tomas was in my initial 80 drummers list but I finally decided to cut him out because I think it will take probably some more years for his influence to spread further.
Great compilation! It shows how skilled you are that you can switch styles so easily. Was hoping to see some Carmine Appice with Vanilla Fudge as that was the period where drumming switched from background timekeeping to a bombastic lead instrument. John Densmore was probably the least recognized member of the Doors but he was critical in setting the mood for Jim's antics and being able to keep up with the improvisations during their concerts. Finally, what, no disco? :-)
Thanks! Carmine great drummer but less influent just because of fame. John definitely worth considering but did you see how many drummers I had to choose from the 70s?! :) Disco for sure one of the most popular genres ever but in terms of drums history not top importance.
@@Pietro.Valente I grew up listening to all of those drummers in the 70s - and my neighbors didn't appreciate it! The Doors were late 60s, with the final Jim Morrison album in 1971 but I feel your pain.
Thanks! I agree, there are too little women drummers playing in famous bands but I see this is changing in recent years, let's hope it continues improving!
@@Pietro.Valente it would be lovely if you would do a compilation of amazing women drummers of recent years!! I would like to witness the change myself, but idk where to look!!
Ottimo lavoro Pietro, ho molto apprezzato la scelta che hai fatto di Paice, Colaiuta e Porcaro... Forse avrei messo Omar Hakim, non so sé mi sia sfuggito, però capisco anche che la scelta non è facile... Gran bel video! 🤩
This is seriously impressive, is this all one take?! If there is one addition id make itd be dave lombardo from slayer, he was super important in evolving extreme metal drumming in the 80s. Also i don't think i saw my personal favorite elvin Jones, you covered jazz pretty well but man elvin was just ferocious
Thanks! Elvin is in the list and marked among top 10 drummers 2:29 Dave Lombardo is definitely a great drummer, better than many I included in this list but not as famous unfortunately. P.S.: it is not in one take 😅
Educational, super entertaining, and a real joy to watch. Some of those transitions were mind blowing! 🤯 Still the best drum content on the RUclipss. Also, the kit is sounding SO good! 👏
bel vieo!complimenti!io aggiungerei Lars per via della sua influenza praticamente su tutti i batteristi metal moderni e Tomas Haake,per aver sdoganato nel metal con i meshuggah un certo modo di comporre e suonare che prima credo si fosse sentito solo con Steve Coleman.cmq,di nuovo complimenti,era difficile creare una linea del tempo così!
Grazie mille, si Lars l'avevo messo perché è ovvia la sua influenza però poi ho dovuto scegliere per alcuni batteristi a cui non volevo rinunciare in questo video.
@@Pietro.Valente I think his work with Steely Dan is probably the best, a few songs including: Home At Last, Kid Charlemagme, Green Earrings (very funky song)
Yes Thomas was in my initial 80 drummers list, he's been very difficult to cut out and the reason is just because his fame is not huge. Specifically he didn't have the chance to play in a very famous band.
@@benoleniederlucke5856 my video is about influence on drumming history but tbh it's difficult to argue with what you say. One thing is for sure, it was really difficult to choose.
@@Pietro.Valente grazie a te! molto interessante per me - da chitarrista - l'analisi del percorso batteristico nella storia della musica attraverso singoli brani significativi...pur non capendoci moltissimo di batteria, mi sono ritrovato in moltissime tue scelte...mi piacerebbe che qualcuno facesse un percorso analogo riguardo altri strumenti...
Grazie, si è pensato proprio per chi in una manciata di minuti voglia farsi un'idea della storia della batteria. È stato un lavoro molto complesso a partire proprio dalla scelta dei batteristi e dei brani.
Recommendation: check out ClownCore - Van. 🤡🤡 It's really a niche thing, technically perfect, and unlike all the genres and patterns you generously tied together. 🙏
I looked for Mike Mangini. You know that before to joining Dream Theater, Mangini was a faculty member at Berklee College of Music. He is the first person who can make fully switch with both hands and legs develop the theory on it and of course tons of odd meters theory . When he joined Dream Theater it was hard to replace Portnoy but I think he's a better drummer than Portnoy right now. And He is mostly compared to Thomas Lang, and I think that's enough to explain what a great drummer he is. But of course he is not as popular as the names on the list so I understand it's not here. Thanks for the video.
yes I agree with you Mangini (he was in my initial 80 drummers list) is indeed more skilled than Portnoy but as you correctly pointed out not as popular. We should also consider the creative factor, in my opinion Portnoy brought some quite interesting grooves and drumming concepts as early as the 90s and that's definitely more influent than what Mangini did.
Are you serious? He is obviously better than Portnoy but still hard to replace him, ask yourself why... A musician must have a soul first, then technique.
@@mauro_music Soul is relative, so according to what or whom. According to this logic, Pink Floyd is the best band in the world then. I am not agree with that. Dream Theater is better than Pink Floyd. We're talking about prog-metal. Technical ability and complexity are the most basic elements. I think Portnoy himself prefers technicality too. For example, he abandoned Derek Sherinian and recruited Jordan Rudess, the musical genius he worked with at LTE, who was technically terrific with great training. Also, people complain that Mangini’s drumming is too perfect, too robotic. Are you kidding me? Is he bad because he plays so well now? I can not understand that, this is Prog music. Technicality, accuracy, complexity are main elements. For example one of the my favorite Dream Theater song is Enigma Machine. Those are my thoughts, that’s not definite truth. So I prefer Mangini but I love Portnoy too. Even I prefer Lte to Dream Theater. (But the biggest reason for this preference is James voice.)
Tell me if you think a drummer is missing from this list, I will let you know my thought process behind the selection of this top 50.
A great work. I would put Tony Thompson (Chic, Power Station) in the list, and maybe Ron Wilson (Surfaris), only for "Wipe Out". Thank you.
@@sergioaugustonilsenribeiro1230 Thanks! Actually I don't know these drummers. Can you paste a couple of links for me and for others that would like to check them out?
@@Pietro.Valente Here's Tony Thompson with Power Station, Get It On "Bang A Gong" (Rehearsal) < ruclips.net/video/J0XdQD6RMMo/видео.html >. But a lot of disco hits had him as a drummer. He, and Phil Collins plays with Led Zeppelin on the 1985 Live Aid < ruclips.net/video/mUHM0TF2xIQ/видео.html >. You can listen "Wipe Out" here < ruclips.net/video/-YusHyd-duQ/видео.html >. This drummer inspired Eddie Van Halen to play drums, but Alex began practice on his brother's instrument, so Eddie took up Alex's guitar.
@@sergioaugustonilsenribeiro1230 I'm listening, thanks for the contribution!
Amazing virtuosity and a great selection! As for missing from the list, maybe one of the guys like QuestLove who's learned to play traps with the displaced snare Dilla feel? And all the Cuban guys from the 90s. And Kenny Clarke. And probably more than one JB drummer should be in there. And Al Jackson Jr., Benny Benjamin, Pistol Allen, and the guy who played on all those Aretha records.
Damn dude I hope this blows ups that’s some serious dedication 🔥🔥🔥
Thanks, yeah there's huge work behind
A bit strange that Ringo Star is not among Top 10 most influential. While maybe not on the same technical level as some of others, he is definitely among the most influential drummers ever, one of those that "changed the game" and that made people look at the drums differently. Keith Moon was also highly influential...
Also, Steve Smith (Journey 1978-1985) could (should?) have been in Top 50...
Btw, you're making great videos, keep up the good work!
Thanks! Yes Ringo definitely very influential but didn't bring as many new concept and ideas as for example Bonham in rock or even Mitchell for instance.
Moon very innovative but just a bit less famous.
Steve was in my initial top 80 list but I had to cut him out just because less famous.
Excellent stuff!! Overlooked: Ginger Baker, Alan White, Bernard Purdie, Appice brothers, Bill Ward
Yes, all of them great drummers. The first 2 you mentioned were in my list and it was very difficult to cut them out but at the end I had to give the spots to more famous drummers. I suppose I could make a video with the most undervalued drummers in history!
Amazing versatility Pietro!
Don't forget about Def Leppard's Rick Allen, an inspiration to all drummers.
Thanks! Yes Rick is great!
Dobrze się słucha, ale ciężko patrzy na to jak ten gość trzyma pałeczki
oh Lord! Amazing job. Thank you so much!
.. '' brutto '' vedere l' impugnatura della Sinistra ..dritta/grip-Rock., per eseguire dei brani di JAZZ,.!!,. Poi invece per i brani ''rocking+soul' la ''grip'' va bene,..-
sarà brutto forse ma non è meno efficace quell'impugnatura per suonare jazz anzi un po' alla volta sta diventando lo standard anche in questo genere
Tony allen !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!. Check out tony allens slow bones with Hugh maskela
I missed Philthy Animal Taylor (Motörhead), he was a pioneer in using double bass pedal, if I'm correct.
Yes, thanks for your contribution. I could probably make a video with 50 drummers for the history of double pedal ^_^
Danny Gottlieb (Pat Metheny Group), Peter Erskine, Rod Morgenstein, among others.
All great drummers but unfortunately less famous
This I amazing bro, you killed it. The smooth ass transitions and such a nicely rounded roster, I was so surprised to see gospel chops! I wonder how you feel about Tony royster Jr.'s work, he has always been my personal fave .
Keep doing what you love brother!💯🐐
Thanks a lot! Tony is a great drummer!
These days I'm more active with my teaching channel, did you see it?
Amazing job. You are great.
One of my favourite drummers is Manu Katché.
Thanks! Manu is an amazing drummer, he's not in this video just because there are more famous drummers than him
About the first groove, in that song there is actually a lot of snare
I'm figuring out how would I actually do this (even if I could play the drums like this). This is an antidote to the insta-tiktoks of today. Thank you!
Thanks, it has been one of the most complex videos I made indeed!
I know I'm months late, but one of my favorite drummers is Philip Selway from Radiohead. His grooves and tightness of playing are amazing, especially on In Rainbows. That album has some of the hardest drumbeats I've ever heard, like on 15 Step and Videotape. It's okay you hadn't added them, but just wanted to give them a shout-out, as if they need it.
Thanks for your contribution!
Bel lavoro! Ti auguro di fare un concerto , anzi più di uno con tutti questi brani!
Grazie! Wow se li suono tutti interi viene fuori un concerto da 5 ore :)
Link shared, cause this deserves more views, likes and comments
Thanks for this video 🙌
Thank you very much!
Pretty purdie?
Yeah I know, he was in my list but he's objectively less famous than these drummers
Pietro, very impresive work but... where is marco minnemann?
Marco is one of the best drummers ever but in this video I gave priority to the influence and a big part of it is fame. Marco kind of missed a famous band to play with so not enough people know him
You look like one of the landing party that doesn't make it back to the Enterprise.
Ok, should it mean that I'm crazy or just unfortunate?
Is there a video that explains the 5 icons on the left? (TIM TEC STR IMP COO)
@@kevinmoore4237 ruclips.net/video/2fXnMCqtLlc/видео.htmlsi=IlpSiDNP9YN9J6h7
Here it is
0:34
There is a lot more of Bass Drum
😮😮😮😮😮 Wow man!! This is Massive!! 👏👏👏Well Done!
Super thanks!
I saw Billy Cobham a couple weeks ago, and I was blown away. He walked out with a cane, so I wasn't sure what to expect, but he was on fire.
Amazing! Music makes people immortal HAHA :D
Perfect video, good job
Thanks!
You should have found a spot for Chicago drummer Danny Seraphine. And if you featured Tré Cool, then Marky Ramone should have been there as well.
Yeah but they need to be influential and the first requisite is unfortunately be famous.
@@Pietro.Valente I get your point. Unfortunately, Seraphine wasn't very famous despite being influential, I believe, to those who listened to Chicago.
@@RedNightDragon1 yes, it would be interesting to have an absolute scale of the influence some drummers had on other more popular drummers, because that's often the case, but I think it's impossible to have this kind of data 😅
Love your work! My favourite drummer is Tomas Haake, would love to see you do something with his drumming
Thanks! He was originally in my list (of about 80 drummers), I had to make choices but to be completely honest I probably wouldn't be able to play his stuff!
@@Pietro.Valente Good to know and makes sense, haha. I think you could play Closed Eye Visuals, though, much more about groove than technical drumming.
@@kaspervantol2484 Ok, I will take a look, thanks!
Very nice! Maybe you could have left out Nick Mason in favor of one of Gilmours solo drummers to (rightfully) "somehow" include Pink Floyd ;) ... And exclude Watts... oh god, Charly Watts...
Edit: Did I miss King Crimson?
Edit #2: Nevermind. You included Bruford Band. I did like Mastelottos late construkction of light stuff though.
Edit #3: Oh yeah, I find your lack of Tomas Haake and Martin Lopez disturbing :(
Thanks! Yes Charly probably one of the less skilled of the list but it's really hard to cut Rolling Stones considering my main goal is to show influence.
Tomas was in my initial 80 drummers list but I finally decided to cut him out because I think it will take probably some more years for his influence to spread further.
And Included Gavin Harrison from KC and PT and many more.
There is Gavin in the video, did you miss him?
Great compilation! It shows how skilled you are that you can switch styles so easily.
Was hoping to see some Carmine Appice with Vanilla Fudge as that was the period where drumming switched from background timekeeping to a bombastic lead instrument.
John Densmore was probably the least recognized member of the Doors but he was critical in setting the mood for Jim's antics and being able to keep up with the improvisations during their concerts.
Finally, what, no disco? :-)
Thanks! Carmine great drummer but less influent just because of fame. John definitely worth considering but did you see how many drummers I had to choose from the 70s?! :)
Disco for sure one of the most popular genres ever but in terms of drums history not top importance.
@@Pietro.Valente I grew up listening to all of those drummers in the 70s - and my neighbors didn't appreciate it! The Doors were late 60s, with the final Jim Morrison album in 1971 but I feel your pain.
this is going to blow up. Great job!
Thanks, I hope it is!
Love that you included Rosanna!
My favorite drummer is Akane Hirose of Band-Maid.
What … no Matt Chamberlain?!?
Well he's not that famous
Amazing video. Very entertaining and interesting
Thanks!
I loved this video so much!!! But I miss some women drummers in the list… 🎃 hopefully it will change in out generation! I love The Pocket Queen!
Thanks! I agree, there are too little women drummers playing in famous bands but I see this is changing in recent years, let's hope it continues improving!
@@Pietro.Valente it would be lovely if you would do a compilation of amazing women drummers of recent years!! I would like to witness the change myself, but idk where to look!!
@@melodypudding Actually it's a good idea for a video, I will seriously think about it!
@@Pietro.Valente yayyyy 🤟🏽 happy to hear that!! Thank you for the consideration 👍🏽👍🏽
Chris Hakius and Jason Roeder !
Actually I don't know them, could you paste a couple of links for me here?
Ottimo lavoro Pietro, ho molto apprezzato la scelta che hai fatto di Paice, Colaiuta e Porcaro... Forse avrei messo Omar Hakim, non so sé mi sia sfuggito, però capisco anche che la scelta non è facile... Gran bel video! 🤩
Grazie Roberto! Omar grande batterista ma un po' più in ombra di quelli che ho scelto
💘 P r o m o s m!!
This is seriously impressive, is this all one take?!
If there is one addition id make itd be dave lombardo from slayer, he was super important in evolving extreme metal drumming in the 80s.
Also i don't think i saw my personal favorite elvin Jones, you covered jazz pretty well but man elvin was just ferocious
Thanks! Elvin is in the list and marked among top 10 drummers 2:29
Dave Lombardo is definitely a great drummer, better than many I included in this list but not as famous unfortunately.
P.S.: it is not in one take 😅
Educational, super entertaining, and a real joy to watch. Some of those transitions were mind blowing! 🤯
Still the best drum content on the RUclipss.
Also, the kit is sounding SO good! 👏
Thanks a lot man, I was sure you could fully appreciate!
Thanks, this is excellent and definitely should have much more views! Excited to check out Brian Blade - haven't heard him yet.
Thanks! It was a huge work indeed, I hope it will get more view in time 😃
comment for the algorithm
Greatly appreciated ;-)
Bravoooo....
bel vieo!complimenti!io aggiungerei Lars per via della sua influenza praticamente su tutti i batteristi metal moderni e Tomas Haake,per aver sdoganato nel metal con i meshuggah un certo modo di comporre e suonare che prima credo si fosse sentito solo con Steve Coleman.cmq,di nuovo complimenti,era difficile creare una linea del tempo così!
Grazie mille, si Lars l'avevo messo perché è ovvia la sua influenza però poi ho dovuto scegliere per alcuni batteristi a cui non volevo rinunciare in questo video.
Woow Pietro!❤️
Grazie Nam!!
👍👍👍
Grazie Pierantonio!
please do some bernard purdie, his shuffle is legendary!
Yeah I agree he's missing on my channel, I need to find a way to make a video about him. What do you think one of his most iconic song?
@@Pietro.Valente I think his work with Steely Dan is probably the best, a few songs including: Home At Last, Kid Charlemagme, Green Earrings (very funky song)
Ok thanks!
Amazing work! Absolutely love the drumming. More people need to see this!
Thanks! I hope RUclips will push it a bit more :)
This vídeo is a masterpiece 👏👏👏 grazie Pietro!! 👍💪👏
Thanks Oscar! I hope it's helpful to many people
bro this man is so good he can work his own feel into the potato head blues or what ever, respect dude
Thanks!
Where is Thomas Lang🤔
Yes Thomas was in my initial 80 drummers list, he's been very difficult to cut out and the reason is just because his fame is not huge. Specifically he didn't have the chance to play in a very famous band.
@@Pietro.Valente Eventhough his fame is not huge I think he would have deserved a place in your video simple because of his insane technical ability
@@benoleniederlucke5856 my video is about influence on drumming history but tbh it's difficult to argue with what you say. One thing is for sure, it was really difficult to choose.
being a guitarist involved in everything's related to music, i really appriciated this video's approach!
Grazie Lucio!
@@Pietro.Valente grazie a te! molto interessante per me - da chitarrista - l'analisi del percorso batteristico nella storia della musica attraverso singoli brani significativi...pur non capendoci moltissimo di batteria, mi sono ritrovato in moltissime tue scelte...mi piacerebbe che qualcuno facesse un percorso analogo riguardo altri strumenti...
Grazie, si è pensato proprio per chi in una manciata di minuti voglia farsi un'idea della storia della batteria. È stato un lavoro molto complesso a partire proprio dalla scelta dei batteristi e dei brani.
Awesome video! Also love Topper Headon and Stephen Perkins.
Thanks! I actually don't know them, could you paste a couple of links?
@@Pietro.ValenteTopper Headon of The Clash, and Stephen Perkins of Jane’s Addiction
Amazing! 🤯
Thanks!
Recommendation: check out ClownCore - Van. 🤡🤡 It's really a niche thing, technically perfect, and unlike all the genres and patterns you generously tied together. 🙏
@@szrnkabela yes, I know them 👍🏻
Money is from 1973😉
yeah...weird I don't know where did I find 71.
Did you heard Astigmatic?
no, can you paste a link?
@@Pietro.Valente sure, this is 3 compositions ruclips.net/video/2Q4CZVmTqOE/видео.html After hearing I wish to know what do you think about this
Love your music.
Thanks! Which one did you hear?
Che tiro che hai! :)
Ciao Fabio! Grazie mille!
I think Tim Alexander is missing.
Yeah, I thought about him but who would you cut out?
@@Pietro.Valente Its hard to cut anyone on your list. Maybe Chad Smith or Tre Cool are less influential than Tim Alexander.
They are definitely less skilled and way less innovative but they had impact on a huge number of people, that's the reason they are in this list.
I looked for Mike Mangini. You know that before to joining Dream Theater, Mangini was a faculty member at Berklee College of Music. He is the first person who can make fully switch with both hands and legs develop the theory on it and of course tons of odd meters theory . When he joined Dream Theater it was hard to replace Portnoy but I think he's a better drummer than Portnoy right now. And He is mostly compared to Thomas Lang, and I think that's enough to explain what a great drummer he is. But of course he is not as popular as the names on the list so I understand it's not here. Thanks for the video.
yes I agree with you Mangini (he was in my initial 80 drummers list) is indeed more skilled than Portnoy but as you correctly pointed out not as popular. We should also consider the creative factor, in my opinion Portnoy brought some quite interesting grooves and drumming concepts as early as the 90s and that's definitely more influent than what Mangini did.
Are you serious? He is obviously better than Portnoy but still hard to replace him, ask yourself why... A musician must have a soul first, then technique.
@@mauro_music Soul is relative, so according to what or whom. According to this logic, Pink Floyd is the best band in the world then. I am not agree with that. Dream Theater is better than Pink Floyd. We're talking about prog-metal. Technical ability and complexity are the most basic elements. I think Portnoy himself prefers technicality too. For example, he abandoned Derek Sherinian and recruited Jordan Rudess, the musical genius he worked with at LTE, who was technically terrific with great training. Also, people complain that Mangini’s drumming is too perfect, too robotic. Are you kidding me? Is he bad because he plays so well now? I can not understand that, this is Prog music. Technicality, accuracy, complexity are main elements. For example one of the my favorite Dream Theater song is Enigma Machine. Those are my thoughts, that’s not definite truth. So I prefer Mangini but I love Portnoy too. Even I prefer Lte to Dream Theater. (But the biggest reason for this preference is James voice.)