How will the internet work in Space? - The Interplanetary Internet
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- Опубликовано: 5 сен 2024
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Whilst the internet has become integral to most people's lives it was only in 2010 that the International Space Station could use apps like Twitter because the connection speed was so slow. In fact, communication with spacecraft out past mars becomes very slow and problematic.
However, in the future, high-speed internet connections will be available out into the solar system that will not only give coverage of what's available here out there but also dramatically speed up the currently very slow communications to space missions both manned and unmanned. In this video, we look at how this will happen.
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Presented by
Paul Shillito
Written & Researched
By Paul Shillito
Images and Footage
NASA, ESA, Mark Handley
It's a bit of a late comment but it has come to my attention that I have made an error ( not for the first time lol ) about the terms megabits and megabytes. At 11:15, I said that the transmission from the moon was 622 megabytes and an upload speed of 19.44 megabytes. I should have said 622 megabits and 19.44 megabits respectively.
This one passed me by completely when I was checking the video as I'm so used to using the term megabytes in computing for the size and storage of information my brain saw one thing on the script and said another so well done to those that noticed it and made me aware of it, thank you guys :-)
Not a problem, Paul - we love your beautifully-made videos, warts (and shirts) and all!
It happens, but we still appreciate your remarkably good content and personality anyway! BTW, my home internet is significantly _slower_ than that. :-(
You should do a short video on Min bikes on the Moon. :) thank you
I hoped that you would talk about the EDRS satellites, who are already using laser for data relay :(
@@valeriopisano9305 I wonder how much of the signal is lost due to Doppler effects.
Who else thinks this guy is one of the best RUclipsr's?
Your grammar i's not the best.
@@nowymail says the guy who misspells "is". Why?
@@willierants5880 erm, you just made an ass of yourself on the internet, congrats
Guy deserves a bloody show on BBC or Discovery!
@@451degreesF how do you figure that? He pointed out something which was accurate. How is he an ass?
space is so vast that when we send memes to space stations they will already be vintage for people on earth when they arrive
DerFilc herderrr memes herrr herrr
Space is so vast that it could comfortably accommodate your mum.
@Bad Cattitude Such a shame you can't get it up then.
Seriously, you still think you're stuck to a ball in space LOL time to wake up
@@blessedfamily3696 Seriously, you still think we were created by an invisible sky man because of a book written 2,000 years ago?
That moment when your epic plans to live on Mars are dashed by the realization that your CS GO ping will be complete trash.
On the bright side you won’t be able to play shitty games like GSGO.
@@deltasword1994 Someone here can't one tap boiiii
i mean you could still play with ppl on mars lol
at least you can still play call of duty campaign mode
Great videos man. Very informative. Wish they were more frequent.
I have no doubt Paul spends a lot of time putting these together.
If they were more frequent they wouldnt be this good
Quality vs quantity
i honestly am mind blown at the rate these get put out. Feels like everytime i check youtube there is another one to watch.
This video is a master piece.
The Exoplanets Channel OFF BOLLOCKS
Now WWW will be replaced by IPWW (Interplanetary Wide Webb). Mabe in the future, UWW (Universal Wide Webb).
Either that, or just change the name to the Worlds Wide Web.
www is just an alias of a server that serves you a website or something. it could be www2 and you won't even notice. 😛
@keith moore postfix = suffix, and i think u can put an emoji like "😐" into FQDN. like www.☺.com lol.
@@jack89harrier I actually did notice that, and I looked it up, after I copied a strange looking link.
@keith moore I can imagine addresses ending in .moon or .mars in the future.
Small correction:
EPOXI encountered the Hartley 2 comet, not Haley's. Other than that good video.
Yo cubfan watching space videos😀😀
@@nabeel7423 yes
🤓
bandwidth vs latency : this video does a great job illustrating the difference when talking about the qualities of "fast" networking :-)
We need a VPN on the curiosity rover connected to a server orbiting Venus just to confuse mission control some mornings. :)
Make the FBI think you are torrenting from mars.
I like how direct communications to mars is faster than my Australian internet.
Just wanted to add, that the speed of light has become more and more relevant in regards to computer networking. Great video .
Once we get a Starbucks on the moon we'll be all set for WiFi in space.
And black people will be arrested
Kennedy Grey You know what...youre right. Def more lowbrow 😂
d ph Wonder if they’ll come with the token homeless person living in the bathroom too lol.
Free WiFi with your Coffee at Spacebucks
@@DANEMAN5 *Have Spacesuit, will work for food.*
You just simplified something complex into understandable everyday words and explanations.Thank You!!!
I need a heal! Fast!
Sorry man. Space lag.
Can't imagine how many curse words would be
Well maybe it'll work in outer space, but it won't in EU.
*_cries in british_*
*laughs in American*
Whut ?
@@VinnyVidiVicci article 13
@@richtigmann1 Ah yeah right. This article doesn't forbid access to internet at all, just limit creations .... But given the complexity of it, I'll wait for the actual application of this law which will be messy af.
1:48 They have twitter in space. Well there goes my motivation.
Lord Samich Ah... this actually explains quite a bit about why aliens aren’t answering our DM’s.
I suspect aliens might be quite impressed with some of tech, but not so much with what we use it for
This is a very interesting topic. At first, you could expect most communication on human settlements to be a hybrid of extremely fast local vs. glacially slow inter-planetary communications. This will invariably cause each settlement to have its own culture, websites, and social interests/preferences. And memes! Think of the memes. You'd have people on Earth reviewing 👏 Martian 👏 memes.
You have a way of explaining things that is hard to match.
When all you see are TIE Fighters on your shirt. Awesome
I was just thinking... I should start a planetary delivery company for when the first colonies on the moon or mars want to order packages from Amazon. Our slogan: Planetary Express. Our crew is replaceable.. Your package isn't.
Good news everyone!
Awesome video! I've noticed that data transmission speeds are very rarely mention in most of the space documentaries I've been watching. Keep up the good work :D
Hey, i still want to watch your videos, when i move to mars!
This is one of your best videos to date, Paul. There's no one does this kind of content better. Thank you!
Does this mean I can watch my favourite curious droid videos on mars?
Yea, with only a 20 min delay rather that the usual 2 weeks :-)
You already could if you watched the video but there is a delay.
Nice! I did my MSc on DTN technologies 12 years ago. Great that this stuff is starting to being implemented.
Trying to get Internet on Mars...
Is that like going back to the dial-up era?
Much, much worse.
imagine dial up but 4 Hours long
or going to Austrailia....
Downloading porn from Earth on Mars is gonna be a bitch. They'll have to make their own.
@@passthebutterrobot2600 That won’t be hard to do.
It's just a bit ironic, because a few days ago I was in a discussion with some friends of mine about lag and online games, which spiraled out into the history of said online games. one of them wondered what multiplayer games would be like if we had people living in space.
I said "Inside a single space-station? A LAN party. You could play anything you wanted provided there was power for your rig. If you wanted to play something interactive with someone on Earth, you'd be going super Retro and playing MUDS" (MUDS being a class of text-based game that where started on those Usenets/BBSes/PLATO terminals. They're still surprisingly popular considering their age. I could be playing with someone on the Moon and not even notice they where on the moon. And Mars would only require the other players to give them a bit of extra time).
Public FYI:
Be careful using megabit and megabyte, as they're different values.
J there are 8 bits in a byte correct?
Dude I’ve never seen your channel before but it deserves way more views. I’m going to bump that shit
I posted it on my FB, and i have some curious friends
This man needs a TV show.
TV? What's that?
Broadcast TV has so many disadvantages over streaming I have a hard time imagining a future for it. Streaming services are effectively the near-infinite channel TV that futurists 20-30 years ago promised.
Yup, I always imagined once you get to Mars you wouldn't have internet but more like data streams of some sort. You request something and you have to wait 24x2 minutes just to start downloading it.
Perfect for Isaac Arthur or David Butler videos, I can queue up the next video when I start watching one!
Whatdayamean? - Usenet "If anyone remembers?" I used it when I was working for a computer company (International Computers Ltd - since gobbled up by all sorts of other companies like Nortel, Fuji etc) in the 1980's.
@@woodypigeon Now that's the fun of a store and forward topology. You are aware it's still going...
Nortel - wow takes me back.
This video not only explained how communication works in space, but it also provides the reason why mankind has not yet received any alien signals from outer space. We simply don't have the technology to actually receive any signals that can travel vast distances.
2:40 4500 satellites? That's a lot space junk!
Even when they do end up being space junk (if the project for some reason ends before they deorbit) it still wouldn't be that much.
that space junk is probably what allowed you to make this junk post visible from me.
All I see are endless streaks in my astro photos.
Exactly. Elon Musk secret plan to threat THE ENTIRE EARTH, with taking down access to outer space for centuries by self-destructing all of his satelites.
-> _"If I can not rule the heavens, no-one else will!"_ (~insert evil maniacal laughter here~)
*Kessler Syndrome Intensifies*
Thank you for giving me these moments.
Why do whe need internet space?
Well... Astronauts get lonely to man!
Do they get lonely to women too?
@@Kataquan I think that it was a flyby Kataquan.
garktnieus they can’t watch space porn 😉😅
Hi Paul, thanks for this another amazing video. Informative and no-nonsense, very nice. Could you please also look into quantum entanglement regarding communication? As far as I know about that, it could be the next level in long-range communication. Thanks and keep up the good work!
"Jeff, when sending that data to the ISS, did you set the laser to transmit, or death ray?"
"Ummmm"
"You know what, Jeff? Take the rest of the afternoon off."
Reminds me of what they did to the satellite in the old movie Congo.
One of the best youtubers on the planet. Too good. I wish you can do a small documentary or series about the hard work you put on to produce this. Will be nice
Once we figure out how to communicate using quantum entanglement distance won't be an issue. :)
Quantum entanglement cannot be used for communication. Its a common misconception that quantum entanglement can be used to send information.
@@Shenron557 Not until we figure out how.
@@mikakorhonen5715 it's impossible to build a machine that communicates using quantum entanglement. The laws of physics prevent it.
@@Shenron557 the laws can change just like how weed is becoming legal :P
@@phalanx3803 yeah that's a possibility 😅 (although unlikely)
This is literally the best youtube channel by a large margin.
Why not send a high powered Radio Signal to the ISS to avoid atmospheric distortion, then convert it to Laser once in Space? Seems the hybrid offers the best of both worlds?
10:30 to 10:45 is basically what you're describing. He didn't say it was high powered and it wasn't relayed to something else in space but that's radio signals sent to ISS and converted to laser in space. They should even be able to receive a powerful laser signal in orbit too even if the atmosphere spread the light around several arc seconds. If a telescope aimed back at the laser on Earth can detect the blinking of its light, the signal could be decoded. The brighter the laser or larger the receiving telescope, the faster the data can be received. Despite the atmospheric interference, the Lunar Laser Ranging experiment detected light bounced off a mirror on the moon's surface which is much farther than ISS.
@@iarrcsim2323 I saw that part, the key is they said, "using the current radio system", not, "a much newer more powerful system" like 5G for instance...
I love how detailed yet easily digestible the information is.
I will stick with star trek subspace communication, thank you :D
I love your channel. You make complicated concepts understandable. Thank you for your hard work. You need your own cable tv channel, lol.
Long distance relationships are about to become a whole lot more depressing.
@curiousdroid - What a brilliant video Paul. The idea of relays in deep space is something my son and I discussed recently so I'm glad to see the real brains out there are way ahead of us!
Being able to send vast amounts of data quickly from the Mars colonies without dropping a byte is going to be vital, helping improve quality of life in a very hostile environment while also providing earth-based scientists with the all data they need.
Those storage arrays are going to be quite large and will need some serious redundancy to deal with eventual drive failures. No Dell or HP engineers around for miles!
Mars has 1.5 mbs internet. That's better than mine.
But it has a lag of 15 minutes (best case) in one direction. I guess you may feel better now.
Fantastic episode. I learned a great deal about communication through Space, and also how old I am because I remember dial-up Internet haha. Although my family started logging on during the 33 to 56k turnover era. 😂
first colony on mars will get those AOL cd's offering connectivity with Netscape navigator....
😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣
This is such a high quality video! Must have taken a lot of research time.
1.5 megabits per seconds!
that's better than Australia
Harry hahahahaha and our NBN MATE.
Damn right you are mate.
I will never complain about internet speeds here on earth, space is big....very big and it's a long way to sent a few packets of data. What a great video that explains the problems of packet data.
I though I heard SpaceX's plan was called "Stalin", whoa!
Without a doubt this is the most interesting Channel on RUclips. Always good content
Thanks! This is something that I've often pondered upon...
I can not discribe how much I love this video. I'm really into software defined radio and satellite technology and I can even decode the DVB-S signal from the ISS.
Will these laser signals ever be able to transmit the brilliance of your shirt though?
Only at full power :-)
I guess so :-)
Pleased you answered👍
*Curious Droid* I like your videos. You cover topics of outer space, not really seen anywhere else on RUclips. :)
Nandato!?
@@m_i_g_5108 my bad, i haven't heard of them. I was trying to compliment Paul, not spread misinformation.
Interesting topic, clear information, nice video...good life
I often wondered, about the possibility of using a satellite orbiting the Earth as an intermediary sending communications over long distances using a gamma ray burst. Not sure whether or not today's technology would allow decoding I'm such a high frequency burst, but it's something to definitely look into.
"this allows us to have real time communications even on the other side of the planet"
Ask any gamer and they will strongly disagree with your understanding of what "real time" is :D
Technically, real-time means the response time is defined. Cans well be 20 minutes ;)
You see, this is my issue with the search for alien life using radio waves. Even we will not be using them to communicate into space and back in the very near future. Add to that the fact that the signals would almost certainly be lost in the noise before it got here. That gives us a very short period of time, that may have already passed, to detect them.
Paul, your videos are so amazing, thank you so much for making interesting and high quality content. I wish you the best of luck with your channel!
Very compelling presentation... I even understood some of it.
So... A follicly challenged genius proposes Giant Frickin lasers... On the moon. What could go wrong...
Always quality! THANK YOU.
5g and beyond. It could never be "real time". The vastness of space would always cause signal delays.
@@memberwhen22 All tech begins with dreams.
@@memberwhen22 Quantum entangled modems are a dream i have had for about 10 years now.
I thought that physics has shown that quantum entanglement can't be used since information can't travel faster than light
@Ungregistered User But it is a huge difference. In the tech reality, one second is like forever. A radio signal from earth to moon takes a couple seconds. Imagine the delay from here to mars. Imagine texting a sexy girl on venus, by the time she gets your text and then you get her reply, she aged several minutes.
@@memberwhen22 No, quantum entanglement still requires relay of information, which travels at the speed of light. Our best bet is the (probably impossible) Alcubierre Drive.
Hi Paul, I'm a newbie to the channel. I echo a comment earlier , you certainly are top of my list of best RUclips channels.
You never disappoint with all your videos 🕵️💨😉... extremely well executed.
Great job 👌👍👌👍 kind regards Danny UK 😉
This also explains why SETI will never pick up radio signals, intelligent civilizations more advanced than us obvious do not use telegraph lol
I graduated with a degree in Communications Engineering, but I didn't pursue it as a career. This video made me miss the old days of studying these things in college.
A descent internet connection in rural areas would be a better place to start!😂😂😂
You need internet to land in rural areas?
im so happy this channel is doing so well. you deserve it man, you're videos are brilliant?
Netzero 1997, baby! Keeping it low and slow.
This videocontent is from especially high quality. The highest level info on the highest level interesting clear&real facts. You only can admire such video's, such a video's..
In space.. No one can hear you meme...
Lovely video good sir!
Mikhael Beauparlant. This comment is underrated. I think you win the internet for today.
One of the best channels on RUclips for sure
I dunno sounds like a lot of hassle just to watch a bit of porn in space. Just bring a load of jazz mags to mars instead Problem sorted, invoice sent to NASA thanks
You make some seriously good videos.
Thank you.
Wasn't there an astronaut that got massive roaming charges because he kept updating social media from the ISS?
I vaguely recall a news story about that
nice work, keep posting... Greetings from Brazil
Let's hope facebook never becomes an ISP.
Just dropping by to see what your channel is all about Happy Easter
Interplanetary shitposting from Mars. What a time to be alive!
Can someone give this man a price/award ?! So he can make more please !
How will the internet work in Space?
slowly
Another problem that arises aside from bandwidth is the tcp protocol now relies on constant feedback. A lot of empty packages and wait for round times. Won’t work with a ping that is the speed of light between earth and mars.
This is however already solved by a group of Norwegians 20 years ago. They made the “pigeon protocol”, half serios thing to send internet data by flying pigeons instead of cables. The interesting thing is that the problem is the same: high bandwidth, very slow ping. Less pigeons to transfer same amount of data. :)
My prediction is that in the future high speed interplanetary, even interstellar data transfer will happen once we’ve mastered the use of particles under quantum entanglement .
That’s how the they’ll beat the speed of light. Fantastic video,
No, it is not possible to communicate using quantum entanglement. If it would be, causality would spread faster than the speed of light, which violates relativity.
@@tobiaslang3621 Currently.. its not possible to use quantum entanglement for communication. ruclips.net/video/JTvcpdfGUtQ/видео.html
Finally a video about this. I couldn't stop thinking about it lol
Thank you for keeping us updated.
You gotta do a video on the Oort Cloud and Kuiper Belt! The orgin of comets and water is interesting, but unfortunately still shrouded in some mystery. It'd be nice see your analysis and sum of it all.
These are the kind videos RUclips was created for.⚡⚡⚡
I read an article the other day about some scientists who managed to control the speed of light, varying it from 30x faster, to stopped, to moving in reverse. Their paper was published in Nature. The first thing I thought of was interplanetary communication.
Amazing calculation and product to introduce into new era of earth technology
Nice! Suggestions of videos: high precision C-nav, different height models of earth , gravitational hot spots, and offshore standards.
Geodesy is pretty mind boggling as well, dynamic vs static. Pretty great examples out there with geodesy errors concerning offshore installations..
I have an idea for I video. The years immediately following Kitty Hawk. The couple of year following Kitty Hawk were obviously super important but you almost never heard about it. Mentally we seem to skip from Kitty Hawk to the first world war when it comes to aviation technology.
Ah yes! I've been having this question for a while now!
A RTT of 9 hours is going to be an slight issue for the TCP timeout estimate ; )
I think they already fixed that issue with IPoAC... There they had to deal with a RTT of about the same order of magnitude :D
See
RCF 1149
RCF 2549
RCF 6214
Have fun 😄
There is a file system designed to run on top of this store and forward network. It's called IPFS and it's on GitHub and being used for many many projects. It's really well easy to run a node with it. None of the data goes through public servers but rather point to point between all users computers at home. I work on it. In financial and trading systems this store and forward system has been used for decades because you can never afford to loose a message. Google for " Ipfs GitHub" if your curious