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This was actually quite a requested topic in the comments of the last Wow Signals video. I hope this video answers some of your questions!
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It would be also nice if you'd cover the messages we have sent out there and the problems with those. Like the Arecibo message sent to M13.
What would we see if we'd receive that message? (If I remember correctly, you wouldn't pick it up next to the background radiation).
How would the message look like if someone does pick it up? (There have been experiments where Humans needed to decipher the message)
How often and long were these messages sent?
I think this would also really show how big the problem of alien communication really is :')
What if the SGH signal was an alien ship located exactly on the spot , we aren't able to see stars ?👽👽👽👽
I am so sick of your clickbait headings! This horse has been flogged for years. Send me a message when you hear new messages from aliens. I am unsubscribing.
It was great working you again, Astrum!
Even if we did receive signals from a vast distance ,may not be advisable to return message until we are technologically updated. For are own safety ,We may have to rethink are idea of contacting E.T. May take 100 or 200 more years to say hi back to E.T.🖖+👽=
It's like whenever he talks he smiles
Just imagine how unsettling it would be to be mugged by him.
i hear the smile
I’ve never been able to put my finger on it but yeah that’s exactly why I like this channel
I love that he does 😉
Listening to him keeps the other voices away
"Have we tried to contact the humans?"
"Yes we have, but we were so good at giving them a regular and precise signal that they thought it was a glitch of their system"
I thought they were contacting us by trampling pictures into our cornfields and probing the anuses of farmers......
"Yes, we have, but we landed during Comicon and everybody thought we were cosplaying and didn't believe us."
"Yes, but they refused to take us to their leader. it would supposedly be to embarrassing, they said..."
"Yes, but it appears that our signal keeps getting interfered with by their microwave ovens at lunchtime."
@@RockBrentwood and the green immobile creatures, when in lower numbers or even isolation, generate a tremendous amount of low frequency electromagnetic radiation of chaotic modulation, in the region of kiloherts to gigahertz frequencies.
I love the idea that the fast radio bursts are possibly us detecting warp signatures
It's PROBABLY not that, but it's fun to imagine that all those little blips are an advanced species jumping into warp somewhere out there.
I actually just made a comment about this. Last year, we succeeded in an experiment to create a warp in spacetime using magnetism, which would make FTL travel possible if able to be produced at a larger scale. If FRB's are created by strong magnetic fields, then this could be a HUGE explanation into the direction of space travel. The original theory for this experiment is called the Alcubierre Drive.
@@leahalenia5074 Can't imagine what a electro magnetic field intense enough to propel an object at super luminal velocity (ignoring all other motion based physics) would do to a person, much less the craft being propelled.
@@Mannwhich you don't do it in orbit or near large gravity wells genius. Sheesh.🙄.
@@jc7997aj Missed the point entirely.
High EMF and human tissue don't get along. How do you protect the occupants from intense magnetic fields?
@@Mannwhich that feels like it'd be the easy part of the whole affair, since wealready know what can shield things from EMF; i'm sure "that but more" might be almost an afterthought when you have the superluminal speed at large scale figured out.
One of my favorite characteristics about Astrum is how the content is always truly striving to be as accurate as possible. It allows me to enjoy the science without having to consciously attempt to filter out any exaggerations or reckless statements. This style captures how real science, is really cool.
Indeed
Yes. There are far too many channels that focus on clickbait and vapid, exaggerated content. I can't even watch them.
Meanwhile on other channels: "Is there alien life out there in the universe? Yes. Just look at this photo of a UFO taken in 1983; UFO being an abbreviation that means alien spacecraft btw"
But it's not correct. Abit misleading. There are hundreds of Alian probes and craft here already 😆
@@Tumor.Island Totes. Their favourite hobby is drawing pretty patterns in crops. If you traveled 2 billion light years to a different planet inhabited by sentient life, isn't that the first thing you would do?
Imagine if our first contact with aliens is them saying "stop sending messages or they'll hear you too"
There’s been a few books based on that scenario!
The dark forest scenario
@susanc4622 could you share the titles?
@@ahmosenefertari6397 I’ll come back to you.
There an old twilight zone or outer limits like that.
I don't know about this BLC1 signal from the Australian telescope you were talking about, but I know of another signal that telescope kept picking up. It was a weird, short burst that happened about the same time every day. Turns out it was someone opening a microwave oven while it was still operating, instead of waiting for it to stop. That brief millisecond or so showed up on the telescope's readings.
Delicious radiation
Sounds like something Homer Simpson would do if he was working there.
Doh!@@paulfogarty7724
"When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, is everything you haven't thought about yet."
This reminds me of the reason for Zefram Cochrane's Warp Flight in Star Trek (Star Trek VIII: First Contact), the crew of the Enterprise wanted a scout ship that was at the edge of our Solar system to notice the Warp signature!
They had to make sure Phoenix went to warp when it was supposed to so history would go the way it originally did.
It was great working with you AGAIN, Astrum. As always, really interesting video. I'm of the mind that if we were to detect a signal from an alien civilization, it wouldn't be an intentional signal on their part. Humans emit signals we often aren't aware of on a day-to-day basis (pheromones, odors, etc). And while other, less developed animals can't detect radio signals, they can definitely pick up on these other signals. The same may be true for alien signals. Keep up the great work!
And, for any viewers who might be interested in trying out Ground News, I'm happy to answer any questions you might have in the meantime. Thanks!
no one cares brand
@@InDeepPudding based
@@InDeepPudding Thanks for the kind words!
I really like the idea of your platform. Journalism should be like science and anything reported should be able to be independently verified.
Ground News, I'm subscriber and LOVE your work. Thank you for helping us filter through the noise!
The problem with constantly ignoring this signal or that signals because of our biases, we may accidentally pass over a legitimate signal from an alien civilization asking that age old question: "Is anybody out there?"
At this point if they see an actual alien spaceship landing with a creature walking out of it they’ll attribute it to optical illusion or “an unexplained natural phenomenon we haven’t yet discovered”
That's what I was thinking. The SHG signal for example was detected at the precise frequency that they were looking for, and they detected it at that precise frequency numerous times. The only explanation they could come up with was that it was a glitch in the system, but a system glitch is something that you'd expect to repeat with some frequency at every other observation as well. If this system glitch that recorded signals at the coincidentally exact frequency of hydrogen, the exact wavelength Drake suggested would be the one to look for, only happened with that particular signal from that location, than wouldn't this suggest that there was something about that particular signal that was keeping its frequency 1420MHz rather than a glitch in the system itself?
Like, they literally found exactly what they were looking for and then doubted their own evidence because...it was too obvious? Increasingly I'm convinced the answer to the Fermi Paradox's "where is everyone" is "they're out there, we just don't want to believe it."
Don't you worry, if there's any strong proof, we'll all know. Don't forget, this video summarise huge collective efforts for almost no results.
@@1SmokedTurkey1 Well, isn't that the definition of an alien visitation?
A signal from the other side of our galaxy may well be one hundred thousand years old. Older than humans have been on earth
I like to imagine that the way we try to speak to aliens would be similar to us attempting communication to neolithic peoples with radio waves while they try communicate with bright fires. Except that we’re the neolithic people in this example.
If that was the case you would see a clear pattern that can only be repeated consistently by some form of technology/intelligence. We are not trying to communicate. We are looking for signal patterns that cannot be explained by natural or human interference and glitches in our hardware. So at least we can know they are there.
If you see bright fires arranged in patterns by some neolithic people that you can't see. You can safely assume some intelligence is doing that. And then the only thing you can do is sending random fire pattern back in the hope you can construct a language together to talk to each other in a rudimentary way.
@@WinchesterDelta1 "If you see bright fires arranged in patterns by some neolithic people that you can't see. You can safely assume some intelligence is doing that."
What? No. You absolutely cannot assume that. Fires arranged in patterns, in the absence of actually seeing them being set by people, could just as easily be the result of something like a particularly flammable plant that for whatever reason happens to naturally grow in those kinds of patterns. There are all kinds of natural rather than artificial reasons that patterns can occur.
In 1999, I joined the Planetary Society...and devoted my personal computer(s) to SETI. My system(s) ran 24/7/365 all those years. I had processed over 7 Million data units for the project before they pulled the project. Often I would try to calculate how much energy my computer used all those years...I probably don't want to know, eh? And all that effort...no aliens...yet.
My SETI Account name was Heinekn. And thanks for your videos.
THIS SIGNAL WAS SENT BY AN ALIEN MORE THAN 2000YRS AGO
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@@joserefe5950 Religious drivel? I'll have to give you points for effort, if nothing else.
@@DrachenGothik666 nope
I participated as well. Was sad when it ended. Why did they end it?
the "i" in "seti" definitely stands for "intelligence", not "life"
I'm glad someone else spotted it
@@mattwuk
Me too... I mentioned it. ❤🏴🖖⭐
With how big the universe is and how much time there is and how we've only been human for an extremely small amount of time with only a sliver of that time being able to communicate (in and out)... There's no surprise to me that we haven't made contact. There could have been a hundred advanced civilizations that died out 200 million years ago. Maybe we are just late to the game? Or early? The size and scope of this universe is just impossibly staggering.
Aliens built the pyramids look at the Easter island statues
Probably early. We may be among the earliest of civilisations, since scientists think the majority of intelligent life will come much later when the universe has calmed a bit, and life ending events like gamma ray bursts become less likely.
@@nade5557 yeah that feels probably right. Thanks for the reply 😊 such fascinating stuff!!
I think the universe is just way bigger than anybody truly understands. We simply cannot comprehend the distance.
It's an uglier problem than that.
In interstellar terms, we're sitting right on top of the sun, distance wise. So, whatever signals we whisper out are drowned out by the much louder sun's shouting. Blend in the inverse-square law, there are one of three chances an earth signal could be heard. Slim, fat and none.
Imagine SETI scientists, on a regular day at work, saying 'What keeps messaging us? Will somebody please tell it to stop?'
*SETI scientist:* Hello? Yeah?
*Blort:* Heeeeey
*SETI scientist:* Hhhhh... Hi, Blort. Why are you calling?
*Blort:* Just thought I would call. I'm doing my tentacle claws. What'cha thinkin' about?
*SETI scientist:* (pinches nose bridge) Uh... Not much. (looks up at ceiling, closes eyes) ...I'm really busy...
*Blort:* Mhm? Oh, oh! Have I got a story for *YOU!* You know Blart, right?
*SETI scientist:* Um... (sigh) Blart? No?
*Blort:* Smort's cousin's squidfriend-?
*SETI scientist:* Erh.. Uh-huh?
*Blort:* Well, get a load of what he said at restaurant Zonk when--
"I swear to God, if those kids from Snorgax VI keep prank-dialing us, I'm quitting!"
@@smaakjeks even among type II civilizations, there's always that one friend.
An interesting early find about FRB's when Duncan Lorimer was still confirming his discovery of FRBs; a microwave oven can give a false positive detection signal so an FRB most likely is generated by something that produces massive emissions of microwaves to be detected at the distances he was first finding the FRBs he later confirmed where not from local interference. And since humans are already capable of making an exponentially scaled down version emitor; we cannot totally rule out artificial sources being a possible emitor of some of the FRBs detected since the Lorimer Burst.
It'd be a fittingly ironic event in history if we learned about aliens all because some guy on a planet far away forgot to turn his microwave off.
As Carl Sagan pointed out eloquently, Detection of a signal as a “proof” of another advanced life form is not communication, and it isn’t necessarily “desirable” for two very different life forms to physically meet. All agendas aside, incompatibility would be an enormous issue to overcome, assuming it could be fully understood.
didn’t see your reply?
That risk is the number-one danger in trying to contact other intelligent life-forms. Unless humans are unique among intelligent beings for their aggression and warlike nature, contact between two advanced civilizations could be disastrous for both parties. I don't personally think there's much worth worrying about, since the entire conversation is sheer hypothesis, but it would be a shame if, after years of trying to establish it, contact would only serve to destroy our civilization and the civilization of the aliens we'd be talking to. But then, if aliens would have had a similar historical pattern to our own, they'd probably be of the same mind as us in terms of delicately keeping peace between the two societies.
A bit like explorers discovering indigenous populations,never worked for them
Or imagine if the we do reach the aliens and, instead of accepting to peaceful communication or making hostile imperialist plans, they're like "screw you, naked apes! Go bother your grandma" and they just block us
@@tinobemellow "delicately keeping peace between the two societies" sorry, but I think I misunderstood either that sentence or history
Life is probably quite common in the universe. It's just that we haven't quite realised the size of the universe. If we could zoom out and hold the universe in our hand like a basketball then life would seem to be everywhere, but we are less than the size of a quark in that ball so we'll never see anything really.
Wait, FRB's are from extremely powerful magnetic fields? Didn't an experiment that created a warp in spacetime using magnetism JUST occur last year? The experiment was designed to test if magnetism could warp spacetime in a way that would make FTL travel possible, and they discovered it could. That is insane
Edit: The original theory for this experiment is called the Alcubierre Drive.
Fast Radio Bursts (FRBs) are not necessarily caused by magnetic fields, but they are believed to be related to highly energetic astrophysical phenomena such as supernovae or neutron star mergers. The exact mechanism behind FRBs is still not completely understood, and there are several competing theories.
As for the experiment you mentioned, I am not aware of any experiment that has demonstrated the ability of magnetism to create a warp in spacetime that would make faster-than-light (FTL) travel possible. According to our current understanding of physics, FTL travel is not possible due to the constraints of relativity. There have been some speculative proposals involving exotic physics such as wormholes or Alcubierre drives, but these ideas are purely theoretical at this point.
@@10054 i dont mean inherently possible, more so an experiment conducted using magnetic fields to warp spacetime into the specified design put forth by the Alcubierre Drive theory was a success. It was done at a very miniscule level, but it was a success nonetheless
Wait, was this an actual experiment? Or merely computer simulations? This needs to be shown in real time. Quite suspicious of virtual experiments where numbers can be fudged to get the results someone is after.
@@leahalenia5074 Could you provide a link or a reference to this? Most results are just science technobabble when I look it up, and the rest of the google results are entirely unrelated. Does this have anything to do with dark energy or dark matter?
If I recall it right, the experiment was using magnetism as an HOMOLOGOUS medium to research the required shape of the Alcubierre drive. In the same way that some experiments on black holes were done using liquid mediums. So if we obtain the expected outcome it really proves nothing, but it's just a hint that in the real medium it might behave in a similar way. Again, I vaguely remember that from last year or so.
That might be from a space station that is orbiting Proxima Centauri, probably spinning too. Probably a far larger space station millions of times larger than the International Space Station.
I remember, i don't know if was the movie contact or star trek, the best way to recognize an HELLO message from an intelligent alien lifeform was the prime number sequence
The fact that the particular signal always restarted at 1421, might mean that the aliens kept resetting the signal to that value.
Attended a weekly roundtable on this topic a few years ago. After listening for a few sessions. I had to jump in.
Some people had recognized that we have carbon chauvinism. We are certain that life anywhere else must be based on carbon, as we are. Due to it's helpful chemical properties. But there are others which can be substituted.
Likewise there is also math chauvinism. Our math works in discrete digits. This is founded on our physiognomy. We have 10 fingers, no surprise our math is (mostly) base 10.
We also have base 12 and base 60 in use, inherited from ancient Mesopotamian civilizations. But these can be thought of as branches of base 10. Base 12 is just base 10 using your hands differently, fist is one, thumb is two and so on.
What if extraterrestrial intelligences do not have hands, they have instead a single amoeba like tentacle that can change shape?
They might then base their math on volumes or something like set theory.
The concept of discrete integers, in a series from smallest to largest may not come along until later.
How would they build computers? Probably something like a fluidic computer, such as has been built for military use in vehicles intended to withstand an EMP.
The ones we have built are not very fast and are good for one task only.
But imagine what decades of miniaturization and refinement would do for the technology.
These beings may not broadcast digital or integer numbers, but in volumes and amplitude.
Perhaps logarithmic or power law as a base?
OMG. The first thing the aliens would do after meeting this guy and the 10 upvoters would be to pick them up, fly 93 million miles away, and drop them all into the Sun.
Honestly, with how huge the universe is, aliens might not even use any form of communication understandable with our technology, mathematics, or signals. For all we know, aliens might use any number of signaling methods completely unknown to us, and that we couldn't understand unless we came into contact with them. Even bizzare and fantastical ideas that seem out of fantasy, like using alternate dimensions as platforms to trade information, or somehow developing means to use controlled cosmic phenomena like morse-code-esque sound waves or olfactory signals broadcasted with some weird technique into the void. Or maybe alien communication could simply be something beyond our comprehension. Keep in mind that invention, like evolution, is as variable as the environment which breeds it, and our technologies represent only a sliver of potential technologies that could theoretically be developed in response to certain pressures. Alien communications and technology, if it exists, might be so bizzare that, even if it's technically on our same level, it would be so weird to us that it'd blend in with the other bizzare phenomena we observe in the universe.
Maybe not just carbon chauvinism but regular matter chauvinism. Maybe we can't detect any signs of advanced civilizations because they only interact with gravity, like 85% of the mass in the universe
@@plozar Why? It makes sense. There's no guarantee that alien life is even based on carbon, let alone uses a base ten numbering system. Our mathematics is as much a result of our biology as the way we tend to organize our family units. I imagine it could be similar for an alien sentient species.
@@DrachenGothik666 they probably just use binary, the simplest of all bases, like the info sent on the voyager golden discs.
I got very excited when you mentioned the CHIME telescope. I attend UBC Okanagan and one of my professors works at the DRAO and talked about it a lot. I've grown up and lived in the Okanagan most of my life, and I'm glad to see CHIME highlighted in an area I'm passionate about :)
With how amazingly vast the universe is, there has gotta be life out there IMO
The acronym "SHG" was used in alien circles: "So Here Goes a signal to the earthlings old chap" is what Alien One said to Alien B. P.S. My comment was flippant but I would like you to know that I follow your channel and appreciate what I have learned from it thus far. Keep up the Good Work!
Hey, someone else who gets anxious about stuff that one is sure nobody misunderstands but one has to make sure anyway.
If you want attention from intelligent species, you set up something in a band where they'd look, and have it broadcast small prime numbers in sequence starting with one. The only thing in nature that produces that sequence is the human mind, at least thus far. This was Carl Sagan's idea, I recall hearing it back in the 1970s.
He wrote a novel based on this idea.
You want contact it seems
Primes, Fibonacci sequences, any mathematical series that occurs in a cycle that might be based on base ten might not be a given. Scientists looking for mathematical patterns might do well to look for things in other base systems (12, 60, or weirder ones, like 3), but then, a pattern will be obvious, even if it's not immediately recognizable.
@@DrachenGothik666 None of the proposed solutions for this involve dependency on our base ten counting system. Primes aren't and that's the very simplest of them. It's fun to speculate on appendage count for aliens, but minimum three required for handling objects and maximum who knows ... just not a solid basis to do any long term planning.
I miss him so. 😻
I think the reality we as humans will have to contend with is that we are most likely either the first- or the last sentient species within the observable universe for the time being. If anything we might be the forerunners of sentient life as a whole and by the time we are an interstellar species, other species will be seeing us as the visitors. At least this is the most logical thing to think about for the time being until concrete evidence says otherwise.
The thing is that if someone out there really wanted to signal us from far away, they would have to make the signal so stupidly simple that any novice could figure out it wasn't random. And the honest truth is all they would have to do is blink the signal. Blink once. Pause. Blink twice. Pause. Blink 3 times. Pause longer and then repeat.
Doing this and doing it repeatedly honestly is all anyone would need to do to show some form of intelligence exists. Otherwise we'd sit here wondering if the signal was really a signal in the first place because we would have no idea what it says.
That's right. Essentially smoke signals. It would be that simple.
radio/energy smoke signals, so simple yet should be very effective.
I have a hard time wondering what we could offer in trade to any species capable of reaching us other than out art in the broadest sense. Fingers crossed theyre nice and thats the case
Edit: maybe also general info about our biosphere and anthropology, but ultimately the trade would be information and creativity. If they can travel to us Id imagine their material needs are met.
2nd edit: Slavery, eating us, and wanting hot bitches do not count as trade... please understand the assignment
Art and history, and other species-specific things are the only thing worth trading interstellar.
Any other resources will be far cheaper in your own solar system, so you won't need to visit anyone else for it. And even if you used up your entire solar system, there are so many empty ones out there, pick one and get everything you need.
Cultural knowledge and artifacts. who knows maybe even cheap labor. maybe they find animals or plants on our planet tasty and are unable to perfectly replicate them?
Slavery
@@jacobe2995 Any cheap labor could be done safer and cheaper by robots. As for animals... why wouldn't they be able to replicate/clone them. We can already clone meat in the laboratory and we haven't even begun to colonize our solar system.
@@jacobe2995 And in the process of them figuring out how to replicate their favorite delicacies they pass on technology that destablisizes everything 🥲
Imagine making a movie...Aliens achieving radio communication for the first time, receiving all of our signals and realizing that there not alone in the universe . Causing all sort of chaos on their planets 🤯
Depends on them being Xenophiles or Xenophobes
These videos are incredibly well researched and so interesting. Thank you.
Also your voice is very soft and soothing which makes it very easy to listen to.
1:51 "Their definition of a good way of saying hello to the universe might be very different from ours"
Scary Movie 3 has a lot to teach about this. Aggresive hugs can be a hello, and kicks to, um, man parts can be a goodbye!
Also that rats are outside and mice are inside. Very educational.
Remember that transmitting powerful radio signals is an Expensive endeavour. In spite of the figures we often hear
(such as "50,000 watts!"), the actual energy received by any individual radio is quite weak. That is because broadcasting
involves spreading a signal over a wide area. Our receivers have high-gain circuits to recover something usable.
Other technological species would have good reasons to do the same, so if we find an undoubtable burble or squeak from
anywhere out there, it will most probably be a CQ (Seek You) type of thing, not any of their broadcasts.
I am curious as to the impact the Heliosphere has on radio waves and if that effect is taken into account when listening to certain frequencies that are assumed to be of higher interest.
Alex, awesome video as always! your vids always make my day.
Thanks for the vids astrum, always looking forward to them
They may be so advanced that they have no need to even send signals. They may just appear right in front of our noses without ever announcing their arrival. That's a spooky thought.
Dude, you have the same lovely quality to your voice and the way you speak as what makes brian cox so great to listen to in terms of explaining the universe, i just love it🥰
He smiles when he speaks
"it's never aliens until it's aliens" love this
I recently read the 3 body problem. It does a good job of explaining why our ideas of radio contact outside the solar system and and lot of the SETI mission is absurd
When I saw the title of this video my first thought was "curvature propulsion reduced lightspeed zones".
@@celestema740 Yeah, mine too. I guess most people would think of that first ..
Isn't a lesson from that to STFU on the radio unless you want to be invaded and enslaved?
@@trumpetpunk42 Worse, eradicated. The dynamic between Earth and Trisolaris is unique as they are only separated by four light years, as opposed to hundreds if not thousands of light years.
So what is it, exactly?
Amo seu canal sempre com vídeos bem feitos e essa voz calmante! Muito obrigado por todas essas informações.
7:20
Already been discussing the SHGB02+14a, and I agree, had the same idea, if it's artificial, a planet can't spin that fast. But a comms satellite can. also it was not precisely 1,420405 but something around. which is disurbing.
I ran SETI in the background of my computers for over a decade shame it was discontinued they claim the data collected was not producing enough results makes me wonder though
They probably just wanted the servers to make Bitcoin
@@chrispekel5709 Anything is possible
whether Other worldly beings existing or not, both of these are terrifying either ways!
Arthur Clarke
I remember being a part a of the SETI project. Big Ear software was running on my rig 24/7.
Right before the Arecibo Observatory collapsed i remember looking at extremely abnormal signals. I don't have the data any more but it was not background radiation nor was it local. These signals were coming from out there.
Sure
This is a really good watch in 4k some of the space zoom ins look really crisp! and it's about the possibility of other sentients so it's even better!
“We’ve been trying to reach you about your car’s extended warranty.”
I love the ideas for First contacts. My guess there would be a little data silence at first to give both partys the ability to think. Without communication, the meeting site would probaply become the main point of idea exchange, to give partys the ability to be sceptic. Just because some people think that aliens would be truely alien with their culture, you need logic to build machines to be spacefading, and logic is the baseline for establishing contact and respect. After that phase, communication would begin without world leaders but exchange of cultural data to have a base to talk and trust the partner. Just because statistically your friends have more friends than you, one can guess that the species will most likely be more advanced and could have done this procedure already. Their move can either be suspicious waiting time or polite waiting for humans to catch up, because if extraterrestrian scifi has also covered this topic, you dont want to freak out unstable civilisations to give vantage points that could disrupt power structures. After the akward phase, ideas will beginn to flow, again culture and information would be the main trade here, maybe technology if either one is willing to commit. Now physical contact would be of interest for both to bring them closer together, but where can civil exchange happen in this case? Trade could be a driving force but even without good spacefaring technologies, this akward phase can only end if people can interact TLDR: humans and aliens are like akward exchange students, give them some group project.
I wonder if you could use the clockwork radio principle to power a probe that won’t be needed to be activated for decades, or possibly even longer.
Like a probe sent to Alpha Centauri perhaps, with Solar Radiometers on the probe to both activate the probe as it nears the Solar system its aimed towards, and recharge the clockwork mechanism like a giant self rewinding watch that never stops running.
The electronics would have to be powered like a clockwork radio, negating the need for batteries or Nuclear power, which will degrade over extremely long periods. This is the issue with the voyager probes as they age, despite the fact that the electronics and computers within the probe are functioning perfectly after nearly half a century of constant use.
The probe would have to be large and capable of making independent decisions, which may require a large amount of older hardier computer chips.
You could even go a step further, and have small landers on the larger probe that could be fired and directed towards other planets. They could be hardy probes, with a self contained non rechargeable clockwork power source of their own. Preferably a hardy probe to gather planetary data quickly, similar to the Venetian and Titan probes of the past.
The only issue would be having a secondary rechargeable clockwork mechanism to power the transmitter, which would have to be very powerful for the extremely long distances to earth. Storage of information until broadcast would be vital.
If Spacex can reduce the cost of launches further, perhaps we could have a mother ship probe that could launch smaller satellites like a Clockwork Cassinis, to examine planetary systems and their moons, as well as launch the aforementioned smaller probes
This is a bit long winded and hypothetical but its worth thinking about!
Excellent video as always my dude,
Hehehe...I was running SETI home from 2k3-2k5. My machine was old and sad, but I tried.
Same and then I bought a really powerful computer for the first time in my life and a few weeks later the project went down for good. I used it for Milkyway@Home and Universe@Home after that.
Aliens: We need something that couldn't possibly be natural, always start off the signal at the exact same orbital point. That way anyone who picks it up will know it's artificial.
Humans: This looks too artificial. Must be a glitch.
I agree. Assuming everything that happens in the cosmos must have some natural explanation is absurd. They are out there.
I still think it's wild just how fast we gained some technology and how quickly it has become exponentially more advanced!
A signal appearing from a location devoid of stars seems like a reason to be more likely to be real evidence than less likely. We can't see the stars because they're using them, in theory.
I honestly wouldn't be surprised if certain types of FTL drives created radio signals as a byproduct of their use, considering literally everything else in the universe gives off radio waves alongside other types of EM waves so why wouldn't FTL drives?
Let's find out! I'm taking the 230 straight six of of my 65 chevy c10, and putting a warp drive in its place! No seat belts we are going for a ride so hold on!😅
I’m so happy you found it useful for your own enjoyment in your work so you could be more helpful and help us to get better with it in our own lives so you could get more help with the things we have going to do for us as we move into a better life in a new place
I had my computers adding to SETI-at-Home, and also the project to compute protein folding, for several years. It was a cool feeling to contribute a little something in that way.
Project blue bean is said to be initiated recently,I have seen a large increase in interest and content surrounding this topics as of late as well.
Problem is, the Aliens must send a Signal that is clearly mentioned for contacting other species. "Normal" communication signals, like our wifi, bluetooth or GSM signals are nearly impossible to distinguish from white noise due to encryption and the used protocls.
How accurate does decryption have to be to not get garbage out of the "encrypted noise"? I doubt that alien civilizations would have vastly differing encryption techniques. The life form itself might be vastly different but math stays the same.
@@fg786 The idea of encryption is, to make the data as randomly looking as possible. A modern cipher looks very similar to white noise. You can not extract the message from the garbage if you don´t know what you are looking for. One bit (or quant or whatever you are using) missing, you will never know that this was a signal with meaning. Even our clear text signals are extremly complex and are based on our protocols, making them meaningless for others.
Therefore, finding avarage communication is impossible. What you can find is a radio emitting celestial body that should not emit radio signals. That is a clear indicator.
Not really true, there are key identifiers in all of our communication protocols that distinguish them from random noise, such as modulation and the narrow frequency mentioned in the video. Encryption doesn't mean it's completely scrambled, just that the content is. A letter is still clearly identifiable as a letter even if it's written in code.
@@Greippi10 all true. But you need to know those key identifiers. And ideally, it should be only one message. We are currently broadcasting billions of overlapping messages into the void over different frequencies. In combination with encryption, it would be very hard to distinguish that noise from the background noise.
However, the mere fact of a planet emitting radio signals of any kind is a strong indicator of advanced life. All we need :)
@@axell.576 Again, not true. It would be extremely easily distinguishable.
Even if you're shooting at me with a paper mache cannon I know that you are shooting at me with paper mache cannon and not a cannon of a billion other molecular combinations, and I will probably be able to look into various things like velocity, spread, pattern, particle shape, shockwave frequency.
We will be able to compare these to background radiation to see if they are exceptional.
Data signals are extremely easy to distinguish versus any random sources like pulsars.
You do have a point though, and it's the best when it comes to this topic Imo! Omnidirectional signals we, or aliens, send will very quickly become so weak that they can't be distinguished from background radiation even if we look for patterns. We would either have to be lucky to catch a message that wasn't intended for us, or someone would have to send it to us specifically.
7:20 The units of Hertz already have time included in them, so you can drop that part.
(One Hertz equals one cycle per second)
In the TV show Dragnet the detective would always say, “Just the facts please.”
He didn’t want conjecture influencing his gathering of clues.
It’s the same here.
Once enough facts are collected and hypothesis can be formed which could become a theory when the hypothesis is confirmed.
I am looking forward to more data being disseminated.
If intelligent life appeared on one planet, there is no reason to not appear on some another in the universe with billions of stars. But the contact objectively may be not possible simply due the large distances between them.
The strongest evidence we have for existence of life other than us in the universe is the fact that in one solar system that we have studied, there are a few potential life bearing planets as well as one with millions of species. That’s one out of one that we can literally call evidence.
Unfortunately our existence only tells us that life is possible in the universe, not it’s frequency or likelihood of occurrence
@@auguststavbro If the ultimate evolution of chemistry is biology and ultimate evolution of biology is consciousness, and every star system that came to exist in the last 4.5 billion years was a chemistry lab, with ours as the biggest evidence, it’s hard to deny millions if not billions of extraterrestrial biologies come and go in 4.5 billion years. Consciousness on the other hand, probably requires exponential time and far fewer and far in between. Perhaps too far for us to ever find one
@@rezadaneshi a lot of assumptions there. First, we don’t know how likely abiogenesis is to occur on average. For us it happened early in our planets history (a few 100mil yrs after formation) which would seem to suggest early abiogenesis however we could just as easily be an anomaly we just don’t know. We also don’t know much about the actual habitability of exoplanets, sure we’ve found a lot but the ones we’ve found in habitable zones orbit much closer around red dwarf stars where they would receive a lot of solar radiation so conditions would be much different than on earth. Is that a barrier to life? We simply don’t know. Undoubtedly there are earth like planets around sun like stars in the galaxy, but there are many confounding variables, like our ridiculously large moon (in comparison to the host planet earth), how important was it for kickstarting and maintaining life? How about Jupiter? We know from our exoplanet data that Jupiter is an anomaly in our solar system bc most gas giants exist very close to their stars, how important was it in not only providing earth with water via comet impacts but also protecting us from harmful collisions? So you see just because we know life is possible in the universe because we exist, our sample size of 1 doesn’t provide us with very much to go off of. Now if we were to find other life of a unique origin in our system, maybe on mars or a moon of the gas giants it would point very strongly to life everywhere in the universe but at this point we just don’t know. I recommend you check out the cool worlds lab RUclips they do a great job of breaking these probabilities down.
@@auguststavbro I enjoy Cool Worlds. In fact my conclusion of finding many bacterial lives without ever finding extraterrestrial intelligence, is right in line with David Kipping’s
@@rezadaneshi Then you and I agree with Dr. Kipping. I think it is a completely reasonable speculation to make, but it is nonetheless speculation!
What an amazing idea. Real fun food for thought. Thanks for this.
"When you eliminate the impossible, all thats left, no matter how improbable, is the answer," is litetally how i got through emergency medical school
Radio waves would be a very poor means of interstellar communication, and very likely an extremely short-lived form of communications for any civilization. The chances that we and some other nearby civilization would, in effect, both be using the galactic version of smoke signals as a form of communication, at the exact same time in both evolutions, are so close to zero as to, effectively, BE zero. Worse, the question is most definitely not, "Where are they?", but rather, "When are they?" Experience tells us that civilizations arise and then die out, fairly quickly. If a nearby civilization dies out while we are still in caves, or vice versa, we will never know they were there, or worse, we may receive their signals ten thousand years after they are gone. And since the goal of a civilization is to move out into the galaxy before the next extinction event arises, chances are excellent that most civilizations fall short of that goal. If we find another "advanced" civilization, it is extremely likely that we will find only its remnants.
No, what we should be doing is searching for a faster-than-light form of communications, because another civilization is far more likely to be using that, than the smoke signals we keep insisting will work. If we are going to continue to look for radio signals, then we should also look for Pony Express riders... the odds of success are about the same!
We don't really have the math or tech to search for faster than light signaling.
Our 2 cutting edge physics models imply that it is either impossible, or hella energy expensive(relativity's take). Quantum mechanics whispers about non-locality to us, and promptly slams the No Cloning door in our face while laughing.
I will be the first to admit we need better/extended physics models. But we are gonna have to do a whole lot more "basic" science research before we can think about engineering FTL comms detectors.
I still do not understand why 1420mhz would be a good frequency to broadcast on, since apparently that frequency world be full of noise from all the hydrogen in the galaxies
that blue FRB sphere...
those FRBs looked like what i would expect to see on a radar system in a Scifi space game, whatching for an enemy flagship to FTL into range.
rewatched that a few times too...
some were making short jumps and others were jumping far distances...
theres a big streak i was looking at at the bottom left that was actually the continuation of a streak from the top right... like a craft going into hyperdrive, than FTL, and reappearing at its destination.... now that would be awesome if thats the case.
De quem estamos à procura?! Como podemos responder a estes sinais?! Quanto tempo levaria o sinal emitido por nós ...ao sinal enviado sem saber de onde?! Estamos na resposta 0!! Este tema aguca-nos a curiosidade!! Que tipo de vida existirá ...para além da fronteira?!
How much energy would it take to produce a signal we could detect.
Why would an alien species do this, when we aren’t. Would Radio and TV signals be strong enough to be detected light years away.
Wow! It''s such an exciting time for space exploration!
I like the idea of using Gravitational Waves as a way to communicate.
Ironically alien scientists are gathered round a gravity wave communicator waiting for a sign of intelligent life, while everyone on Earth is looking at radio waves.
That's the Club Bouncer answer to the Fermi paradox.
If you are too young a civ to afford the energy budget to play with collapsars,
And you don't have the attention span for kiloYear comms lag (grav waves propagate at c),
Then you are not getting on OUR party line.
We detect gravitational waves tho and i dont think we found anything weird for the time being at least
FRBs are too common to be from alien civilizations... The fact that we only detected the Wow signal once, for example, makes it much more compelling.
Or they are so common specifically because they are caused by alien technology. Massive civilisations would use a lot of technology.
@@VoidplayLP Perhaps... Either way, the biggest issue is that we don't know what to look for. Maybe we already detected some civilization and we don't know... Perhaps we already have a natural explanation for what we detected.
The "it's never aliens" mentality is poison in this case. But, at the same time, we can't explain everything by the "aliens of the gaps", so... I really don't know.
“The universe is a pretty big place. It’s bigger than anything anyone has ever dreamed of before. So, if it’s just us…..seems like an awful waste of space”✨
These warp signatures are ultra fast gamma ray burst. With no obvious visible source and afterglow in any other part of eletromagnetic spectrum. We would even detect gravitanional waves in the same time of the fast GRB event but we havent such a advanced detector
What is interesting is, from the advent of our transmission of radio signals, they have just now reached out beyond our nearest star. That sure puts the size of our galaxie in perspective. There well may be civilizations out there whose signals have not reached us. Then again, how many civilizations have existed, been wiped out and so on.
Radiowaves travel at speed of light. The nearest star is 4 LY away. We did not start transmitting radio signals 4 years back. Your statement is factually wrong lol.
Not true, more like 120 light years since our first radio broadcasts since radio waves travel at the speed of light. It is true that our older broadcasts were weak and would be very hard to detect light years away but some of our signals like military radar are very strong and have traveled more than 60 light years since we started using them (and could be detected in the future 100s of light years farther out). That sphere of detection contains a lot of stars!
I stand corrected.
Wouldn't aliens need a bandwidth that travels faster than the speed of light? We would need to develop a quantum entanglement method of communication before we could communicate with ET.
They wouldn't communicate over interstellar distances with radio. I imagine they would use local spacecraft that send physical packets "alien hdd's" back to their home planets with the data that utilize some kind of warp technology. We should be looking for spacecraft within our solar system.
Solid!
Top KEK!
Peace be with you.
I like how Sir Arthur Conan Doyle's quote is applied to the entire universe via Astrum. Always great delivery here, along the likes of Neil deGrasse Tyson, which is another of my faves. Keep it up, bro!
With a buddy, both of us quite into the dark forest interpretation, we came to the conclusion that the WOW signal might well be a general scan or worst a calibration shot and our dedicated cleansing burst is quietly on its way to us.
I don’t know about hyperdrives, but I wonder if anybody’s ever thought about the fact that we could be looking at warp drives being used with all the observations of gravitational lensing we see - I mean we’re literally looking at warped space.
im liking the direction of your content. having an intelligent person delve into the mysterious side of science is greatly welcomed.
Very nice video that I like ! Thank you for sharing . I hope that , you will find the Alien's mesengers by this way . Happy week to you !
Thank you for sharing this video that was very interesting.
A species able to travel (or even send signals) in space would definitely exists in dimensions we are not able to comprehend just yet, so it would make sense we just can't detect/find/understand any form of Aliens lives yet.
No, we do and have been using signals in the same way as the ones we detected from proxima B and its only 10 years away for signals.
It would take 20 years to exchange one communication with our current tech. What makes the proxima B signals so intriguing is specifically that its the same sort of signals we send out with our own TV radio and satellites, not sent specifically to make contact but similar to just using tech at home like we do.
mathematics allows us to see any hidden dimensions that we cannot "comprehend" and shows us that there are no large extra spatial dimensions beyond our 3+1 spacetime
"Wow, an intriguing SET of signals" is how women describe my flirting attempts
I remember SETI at Home! Installed it on every computer i could. Back in the day when you could go to the electronics store and buy the parts for a basic computer for $100 or so, I even set up a box just to run SETI at Home! Then, these strange dudes dressed in black showed up at the door late in the evening....
5:57 Battlefield 4! xD didn't know it was a real thing till now haha
It is funny that we are looking for aliens when in this world racism exists.
Yeah there's a lot we gotta work on before we start mingling with life out there. Still cool to think about tho
The origin planet doesn't have to spin 40 times faster than earth. It could well be, that they have multiple, interacting transmitters, that hand over the signal every time one goes out of reach. Thus causing fluctuation for 37 seconds.
The problem with this is that radio signals are limited by the speed of light. To our limited scale minds this seems fast but in cosmic terms it's ages and ages to travel across the vast distances involved. And don't forget the signal strength diminishes by the square of the distance.
I agree. They wouldn't communicate over interstellar distances with radio. I imagine they would use local spacecraft that send physical packets "alien hdd's" back to their home planets with the data that utilize some kind of warp technology. We should be looking for spacecraft within our solar system.
"It's never aliens, right up until when it is". Yup, that's when your job goes from dull af, to holy moley "PANIC!" in a split second
That signal coming from other direction, other than Proxima B could be intergalactic communications of one race of beings that populate this region of the universe.
I believe, in the Elite novels they speak of “wake suppression” technology. Jumping without giving away your point of origin, which could apparently give away your general direction/ jump path lol. Maybe it was more ahead of times than we thought. I believe this is something we need to consider l, as if we are not space faring? We might not be worth the attention. Civilization with this tech may only be scanning for these bursts, as it would indicate another advanced civilization. But do we want to be found? That is the question.
One thing that these videos of align communication always overlook, is that the energy levels would need to be absolutely enormous. Our radio broadcasts have propagated for over 100, so they are hundred light years away from us. It's absolutely in our backyard, and still everything else except nuclear explosions would be absolutely undetectable at those distances. I'm pretty sure that even signs of those nuclear explosions can't be told apart from the background noise.
If we can catch signal from order galaxy, it needs to have so much energy at the source that it is unfathomable. Or the transmissions has to be extremely narrow and focused, and if so, it would be aimed directly at us. Distances in even our own galaxy are so huge that not only traveling is problematic. Communications also.
I’ve always thought about what if these transmissions we pick up are not from a planet but a ship. Like with the signal coming from a void part of space. I think it would be more logical we would pick up frequency from a ship maybe sending data back to its home planet then we would from getting signal directly from a planetary source itself.
Dude I was literally thinking about this for the first time like earlier this week, crazy this shows up in my feed
Pausing at 09:42...That would make Perfect sense about the FRB's or the random Sonic Booms!