Best two-stroke 300 review! KTM, Sherco, Beta, GasGas, Husky & Rieju︱Cross Training Enduro
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- Опубликовано: 6 фев 2022
- www.crosstrainingenduro.com Which is the best two stroke 300 enduro model to suit you?
00:49 TM EN300
01:43 Sherco 300SE
02:40 Beta Xtrainer & RR300
03:37 KTM 300EXC, Husqvarna TE300i & GasGas EC300
04:32 Rieju MR300
05:01 The Japanese? YZ250X
Here is our personal review of the KTM 300EXC, Sherco 300SE, Beta RR300, Beta Xtrainer, Rieju MR300, GasGas EC300 and Husqvarna TE300i. Okay, so which is the best two stroke 300 enduro bike? There is no best bike for everyone. Some magazines will claim they have a 300 two stroke winner, but this will probably be the brand that gives them the most advertising revenue. For the average dirt rider, all the available bikes are great... the Sherco 300SE, KTM 300EXC, Beta Xtrainer, Rieju MR300, GasGas EC300, Beta RR300 and Husqvarna TE300i. Into enduro riding? See all our dirt bike videos for dirt riding tips. Our channel now had hundreds of dirt bike videos covering reviews, and dirt riding techniques. The bikes are much better than we will ever be so read much into this two stroke 300 comparison. Especially me! I have sold my Beta Xtrainer and I have four weeks to decide on my next bike. I never give anyone personal recommendations about which bike to buy, especially the best two stroke 300 enduro. But here are my thoughts on the current offerings. But first a warning. This is just a personal opinion. From a mostly clueless rider. Don't trust him. Or anyone else. Do your own research! Lets do this. Two stroke 300 enduro models for 2022... Our TM EN 300 review. TM is a boutique manufacturer in Italy making 1300 bikes a year by hand. The price? Ouch. Although it's not that expensive compared to the higher spec race models in other brands. I recently rode a 2021 model and loved it. Beautifully crafted. Incredibly light. Huge amounts of power. And you can choose fuel injection or a carb. Similar to KTM's TPI models, the fuel injected motor lacks a bit of grunt at low revs but it flies once you hit the midrange. The kickstart comes standard too which is a nice touch. And a one year warranty and KYB suspension! I would definitely prefer the carb model for our riding. Our Sherco 300SE review? A dirt bike from the land of berets, croissants and baguettes. Ha ha. Like all the European brands the Sherco has had it's known issues but the factory has slowly but steadily been fixing these. I recently rode a 2021 model and loved it. Very grunty engine. Unlike most bikes, the mapping switch makes a huge difference and is great for poor traction conditions. Smooth KYB suspension. Six month warranty. In the past it's been a bit heavier than other brands but a lighter frame for 2022 brings it in line with the competition. And an updated regulator as these have been problematic in the past. See our Sherco known issues vid. It's a strong contender. I will just need to work on my French accent, no? Possibly our best best two stroke 300? The Beta Xtrainer and RR300 review. Our group has mostly ridden the faster pasta machines for years now. But we have become increasingly disillusioned with the brand. The factory can take a ridiculously long time to address known issues. Their handling of the main bearing failures over two years was very poor at the head office level. Thankfully Beta USA supported their customers very well. Electrical problems are the main ongoing concern. One of our crew had his entire wiring harness replaced under warranty, as have others. Overall they are still great bikes, but we think it's time for a change. And if you want a very light bike as a beginner, or for slow technical riding, the Beta Xtrainer is in a class of its own. (The Rieju Ranger is similar but a very porky 109kg dry weight). KTM 300EXC, Husqvarna TE300i and GasGas EC300 reviews. I lump these all together as KTM's business strategy seems to be buying up old brands and selling almost identical bikes in different colours. I will upset the fan boys, but these bikes simply aren't on my radar. There is no carb model on offer. While the TPI system has worked for many riders, a significant number have faced all sorts of issues on the KTM 300EXC, Husqvarna TE300i and GasGas EC300 with fouling plugs, hard starting, and seized engines at low hours. Some accuse KTM of releasing innovations too soon and using us as guinea pigs.. And the prices of the Husqvarna TE300i, KTM 300EXC, and GasGas EC300? In Australia at least, are getting crazy nowadays. No thanks. Our little Rieju MR300 review. Rieju bought the rights to continue producing the old Gas Gas models. Apart from some minor tweaks, these are essentially unchanged so they still have the clunky unreliable starter motor and are heavier than the more modern bikes. What do you think of each two stroke 300 enduro from KTM, Sherco, Beta and GasGas? Which 2022 model would you buy? And why? Keen to hear your thoughts on your best two stroke enduro.
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What changes have occurred for the 2024 models? Not much has changed so this video is still relevant. The main thing of note is the Austrian bikes now have TBI instead of TPI. We consistently found TPI models lacked grunt and riders were spending a lot of money to try and get similar performance to a carb model. However, the TBI seems to have resolved this. Hopefully it will prove to be more reliable than TPI too, which definitely had kinks that needed to be ironed out.
IMPORTANT! I stated the standard 30 day warranty applies to KTM, GasGas and Husqvarna two strokes which is set by KTM head office. Please note that in Australia the distributor has chosen to run with a six month warranty on enduro TPI models (3 months on SX models) to match other brands! I did ring KTM, Husqvarna and GasGas dealers in Australia who all told me it was a 30 day warranty. But the Australian distributor assures me they have increased this to six months for Australian owners.
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In Australia I would think the ACCC would clean them up if they denied a warranty after only 6 months, let alone 30 days, on a product that cost well north of 10 gran. It explicitly says that the statutory warranty can extend past the manufactures warranty and the 'time limit' depends on the price and quality of the product. . . . unless KTM are going to claim their product is not quality :)
6 mths is much better than 1 true - but as this presenter says - it seems lots of tpi models are causeing issues within the 12 months and just beyond that none of the carb models had - and the 16 or 17 k price tag ???ouch
In Spain we receive a 3 year warranty on the Rieju.
Just bought Sherco 300SE Factory. Stunning bike and easy to live with. Pefect for me at 64 years old and 50 years of riding motorbikes. Enjoy !
I just purchased a 2022 TM300fi. Blew me away with what you get. It may be $ but it’s well worth it when you get the opportunity to work on and ride it. The materials and build quality are next level, and Ron from emu racing is a top bloke as well
Yeah The TM bikes look amazing!
I spoke to Ron the other day and still have to wait for mine to get here. Went with the carb so there are less things to go wrong. Where are you based?
@@jordanraccanello4920 payed for mine 9ish months ago and got it to Perth a month ago. Well worth the wait
Fell in love with TM some year ago and never looked back. For a scared old bastard like me the 144EN is perfect. Power enough, easy to flick around and best of all easy to pick up when I end up in the dirt…
I've been wanting to ride one of those, will the front come up easy to get over obstacles?
@Mike H Im not an advanced driver, but as soon as you learn the bike torque and power is no issue. I say go try one😉
I'm riding an 2018 Sherco 300 SE 6 days. At 6"2 and 110 kg all I've done is change the springs. It lugs all day, 75 hours with no issues. Gonna keep it for a few more years.
How many hours have you done? Does the engine break down? do you recommend this bike?
I've got a 22 KTM 300 XCW with about 35 hours on it now and it has been flawless. Hope it stays that way. Most of my ride group uses these and really no major issues among the group.
Good to hear.Did the 2022 come standard with the extreme map? If not, that can be a good move to avoid possible premature wear.
@@crosstrainingenduro I haven't been able to confirm that it has the extreme map. I was told the 22's all got it.
Im edging closer to 50hrs on my 2022 erzberg. Absolutely no issues so far that I have experienced
Went KTM group in ‘17 and don’t see changing anytime soon. ‘23 TX 300 incoming!
I’ve been on a beta 2022 for four months by now. Awesome bike, great handle, its light and have an amazing low end power. Had absolute zero issues with it… i think the best choices on the market right now are Beta, Sherco and Tm
TM is a very good bike but the parts are very expensive because they are hand made other than that there's nothing to complain .
l have the 2022 model too, l love this bike, the engine is a monster on hard enduro tracks it looks like a trial bike..here in italy it's the cheapest bike too
@@GABRIELE-gm4cs i have the same feeling, looks like a trial bike, awesome for hard enduro but it still handles amazingly in high speed tracks
If you don't mind not having a bike for 43 months waiting on parts
@@thisisme7587 Where i live nobody had this issue with Beta, by the opposite… while ktm’s are with a waiting list for over 3 months, beta’s are in stock for every single model
I've been a ktm/husky rider for the last 15 years. I think it's time for a new beginning. My bet is on the Beta RR 300 Racing.
got one its unreal the new 2022 rr racing blows my mind with the new updates to the engine and bike
Just got my 2022 beta 300rr race edition so far I love it! We will see long term but as of now I love the bike
I have 21 beta 300 race edition.. I love it .. been a great bike and looks great doing it ... like all hard riding a few bucks spent on protection parts and it's great .. I love the carb over the tpi.. feels too artificial on the tpi..
I've owned all the 2 stroke brands since 1972.
You won't be disappointed in the Beta once it's set up right and all the fasteners have been inspected for tightness.
20 years on KTM. Now a Yamaha. By far the most ready to race bike I've had out the box. KTM is the least these days. No regrets
The Rieju are actually really good value. I just picked up a 300 Rieju after dealing with countless issues on my KTM TPI machine.
I love the bike. Would never go back to TPI. So far no issues with my starter. My friend has almost 100 hours on his Rieju, and not a single issue with the starter or anything else.
Great to hear, Sarah! I know in quite a few countries they are significantly cheaper than the other brands but unfortunately the Aussie distributor set the price just below the others. Glad the starters have been okay. They generally should be as 'known issues' only occur in a certain number of cases. E.g. The majority of TPI owners are fine, but quite a few are tearing their hair out. When Beta had all its main bearing failures, it was happening to less than 10% of two strokes.
@@crosstrainingenduro Here in the states, it’s a good deal. Cheaper than the others, and has quality components. I really love how the bike rides as well. Which I feel is an unpopular opinion, as everyone seems to claim how nothing feels better than the newer batch of KTMs.
Hopefully I never have to deal with starter issues, but the bike comes with a kicker stock which is a nice bonus.
I couldn’t be happier!
How year made you have in tpi ?
I've got a 2018 gasgas ec300 and it's a great bike, zero problems
My Beta 300rr is honestly amazing right now. Just picked it up a couple months ago and I have zero problems with it...amazing power and it's very smooth.
They are great bikes, Austin. And the majority of owners won't hit those electrical issues. And a good dealer usually goes over the bike and fixes everything the factory messes up in terms of missing parts, loose bolts, messy wiring etc.
I love my 2022 beta 300 rr race edition so far
Picked up a 2022 beta 250 race edition about a month ago. Amazing bike. With a few little changes here and there (bar risers, new foot pegs)to make it “my bike” and it was perfect. Coming off a yz250f 2018 the beta feels way more flickable, light, and much easier to ride on technical and slower riding.
I loved my 2 x 300 4 stroke Shercos, but decided to see what all the fuss was with 2 strokes and bought the 21 model.
The engine has amazing torque and is all but impossible to stall.
The suspension works for me straight out of the crate with no mods and the bike is so easy to ride in technical terrain.
It's far more accomplished than I'll ever be, but it is not a handful to ride either.
Love it 👌
That's probably the big issue... all these bikes are better than 98% of us will ever be. 😂
Great vid! My 21 300 EXC has 300 HARD hours on it. Second piston about to get changed. Not one single issue - starts first time every time. The most reliable bike I've owned. I disagree on the KTM reliability issues statement. Like any mechanical product, the number of issues is directly proportionate to the number of units out there. I don't have solid data (e.g. comparison of number of bikes sold versus number of issue bikes) but, if you look at how many people ride KTMs (youtube videos, facebook posts, etc.) versus the KTM issues forums, then I'd say it's very similar across the manufacturers that you are comparing in this video. Horses for courses - everyone has their own opinion I guess. Keep up the good work lads!
Great to hear you've had no issues! Yep, you need a really large sample group size to know if their genuine known issues or not. As mentioned, the majority of TPI owners won't get problems. But a very significant number do. This is based on KTM dealers facing shortages in top end parts due to the number of bikes seizing at low hours. It's also based on mechanic reports, one in particular said TPI bikes are his most common bike in the repair shop now. It was the same when roughly 5% of Beta two strokes were seizing main bearings a few years ago. 95% of riders were saying 'this must be bullshit!' because they and their mates hadn't hit any problems themselves.
I just bought a 2022 Beta 300 RR, and you nailed the reason in the first 20 seconds - "For the average dirt rider, all the available bikes are great. The bikes are much better than we will ever be." For me, I was just waiting for the right deal on any KTM/GasGas/Husqvarna, Sherco or Beta in 250 2t or 300 2t.
I love my 2022 beta 300 rr race I think you will love your new bike
I have exclusively bought KTMs for the last 20 years, not because i am a brand snob, but because they were the best to ride, to own and to work on. Having said this, i would not but a new KTM, Husqvarna or Gas Gas. I dont want to deal with the extra hassles of TPI, or the taming of the power delivery. You buy a 2 stroke for the hit in the power. If you want a lounge chair then get a 4 stroke. I reckon i would jump on a new Sherco if i was in the market now.
Great video. Thanks 👍👍
Recently bought a TM. Cannot believe how good it is and absolutely beautiful to boot.
They do look amazing. It's a tough choice between the TM and the Sherco at the moment.
I live in Cyprus, Europe and I ride hard enduro. After some serious thought I bought the Rieju MR300 Racing.
It is cheaper here than all other similar competitor bikes and after riding it for a few months now I am very impressed. Amazing power delivery when needed but at the same time smooth with tremendous torque and low end grunt, clutch is very light and easy to control making things easier during hard technical terrain. Bike feels very light although it is slightly heavier than other brands. KYB suspension (no words needed),. Racing model doesn't have a cooling fan which I thought it would be an issue but surprisingly it does not overheat easily. Generally I haven't got any issues with the bike yet.
Great to hear, Pandelis!
I am also after a new rieju to replace my old gasgas but there aren't any in Greece where I live, used or new. Did you get yours brand new in cyprus? Cheers Pandeli, enjoy you bike mate!
@@SureStandar Thanks man! Yes we have an authorized dealer here. Not sure about Greece but look around if there are any, its definitely worth it.
50hrs on my 21 TM300EN carb. No issues. Absolutely love it and worth the bit extra you pay. It rips!!! And grunts! I do everything from MX to enduros on it and it handles it all with ease. Parts supply you say? Non issue in North America, TM Cross Shop out of California has everything you need OEM and aftermarket. They ship to my place on the east coast of Canada in 3 days! 25 years of riding and racing dirtbikes, I’m a TM guy now for life.
Good to hear parts aren't a problem over there. I've yet to see what it's like here. I'd be going the carb for sure, I like my lowdown grunt.
This is the best Dirt Bike video I've seen in a while. I'm happy with my '07 200exc.
Great bike! Scott in our group is riding a 2012 200EXC I think.
Currently own 2002 TM racing en250.
Parts aren't an issue, it a reliable, handles and built to ride. Great review!
I just bought a 22 SE 300 Sherco. As i do NOT want TPI. Motor is awesome down low it vibrates a bit more than my 17 TE 300. But after 2 rides not noticeable. So far it is handling the West Coast Canadian single track well. Suspension is a little stiff but i need to re spring for my weight
Same thoughts. Moved brands as I do NOT want TPI.
I just bought a 2022 GasGas EC250. Ten hours in, I have had zero issues of any kind. It is so drastically better than the YZ250 I had been on, I pinch myself that it is mine. I was also concerned about cold seizures, TPI issues, and engine problems in general. I haven't had it in proper hot racing conditions yet, but no issues here.
Great to hear you've had no issues, Jimmy. And if you were concerned the updated 'extreme' map boosts the oil use to reduce any premature wear issues. But the 2022 may have had this standard?
@@crosstrainingenduro It seems to run rich on bottom. There's the tiniest bit of splooge in the silencer. It's been below freezing, and I've ridden it in snow. I just let it idle for five minutes, putt around easy for five more, and let her rip. It is easily the best dirt bike I've owned. I shied from Beta when I heard they had more of an old school motocross style "hit" than the TPI bikes. For slow, technical riding, the TPI is magic.
Didn't buy a Sherco because I heard they're a bit harder to work on, and there's not much dealer support in central USA.
UPDATE ON TM ENDURO MODELS! Unfortunately there is only a 30 day warranty in Australia. 😢 The 12 months stated in the vid is the TM USA warranty. And this is on the condition that the TM is unmodified... the TM manual states "In cases of direct and consequent damage caused by tampering or modifications to the motorcycle, no legal warranty claim can be asserted".
Unfortunately, we have started having troubles with the fuel injection. The Australian distributor and dealer aren't willing to look into the problem as the bike is now outside the 30 day warranty. We will keep you updated.
Yes! Yes! YES! Just bought a brand new 2023 Beta 300RR! It was a toss up between it and the Sherco. I liked the kickstart option on the Beta and the keihin carburetor and plush suspension for woods riding. Like yourself no fuel injected bikes or Japanese bikes on my radar also. Unfortunately, with close to 2 feet of snow here at the moment in frozen North Eastern Ontario, Canada, there won’t be a test ride for another month and a half.😢
Got a spine injury and was looking for the most light bike for hard enduro. Xtrainer 2022 was the choice (thanks to your videos). Checked and greased all the electric plugs on it, made an airbox mod, changed the jetting for winter and having a blast with this beauty. My riding level has been growing huuuge since I bought it and I only have 14hours on it. It's really a cheat-bike, especially for a tall guy like me (1.91m) ☺
The light weight is great! How do you find the stability at speed? I always got a bit nervous on mine once I was in fourth gear or higher... it was never confidence inspiring on open trails, even with modified suspension.
@@crosstrainingenduro I mostly ride tight and slow stuff, train trial techniques, so that's not a problem. Had no problem on speedy uphills with roots and ruts either. But yes, high speeds and cross country races are not about this bike. I am now on stock springs, will see what changes when ones for my weight will arrive.
I bought the 22 Rieju MR300 pro because of the hardcoat KYB suspension. It's a tractor, but if you twist the throttle something happens right effing now. I appreciate the electric start, but would buy a bike without a kickstart. I'm only 220 miles in, but it has been flawless and the suspension has needed nothing to cope with north Jersey terrain which is endless rocks.
(FYI for the background)....) I'm 61, not slow, not fast, did earn my A card the hard way, five firsts in a row in class and five top 10 overall B. I don't suck, but I'm not fast A material. All the bikes are factually amazing, the amount of abuse they tolerate is unbelievable. Unless you're fast A or AA, you won't go wrong with any of these mounts.
Great to hear the Rieju is working out for you, Steve
I currently ride a 2019 TM en300. I absolutely love the bike. Dealer support in my area is fantastic, and as far as price ( I know this drastically changes depending on region) they are priced a lot more economical than the competition. I would really like to try a 2022 with the updated 6 speed vs my 5 speed, but that leads to one of my biggest peeves, resale is low due to a small niche market.
Resale is a bit lower on my list but still a concern for me, Ronnie. When I bought my first Beta RR300 in 2015 they were still a boutique brand in Australia but when I sold it two years later it was snapped up. And Betas were so easy to sell as everyone got interested in them. Not sure if that will happen for TM, but apparently the factory is planning on ramping up production.
Not saying that resale would actually be a prerequisite on any particular brand for me, just finding it currently irritating as it is hindering me from getting on a 2022, haha.
2021 Beta xtrainer - the only issue I have ever had was a bolt falling out of the mudflap and the radiator shroud plastics that appear to be made of chocolate and break too easily. Would I buy a 2022 model - probably not based on all the electrical issues being reported - will wait for 2023 model. I am sure every brand will or has had a 'bad' model and it is how the dealer/agent supports you that is important to brand loyalty. You correctly point out that the riders skill is far more important than the actual model you ride - practice, practice, practice. Keep up the great work.
I picked up a clean 05 yz250 for $2500, I put a rec reg kit on it and got it registered. Much better value and much more fun than any of these new euro 2 strokes. Saving myself $12k + was a no brainer
I waited a couple years for the dust to build on the TM and practically stole it 2018 with 23hrs on it 4200
I went for the Ktm exc 300 2022. Plush ride and smooth throttle, I have had a husky before this but like the pds. Sherco was a close 2nd but the deprecation in the uk ruled them out
In my experience the ktm is far from plush
I'd love to ride a TM. Beautiful motorcycles. I like that they are a small brand. Hope they stay that way.
Up close you can see that attention to detail... incredibly stylish bikes.
I've had a 2017 Sherco 300 se 2 stroke in the past. I loved that bike to bits and ever since I sold it and went to a 2020 husky fe 450 I've been looking back. Not to say the 450 isn't an absolutely brilliant bike that does everything that I need it to and more, but I miss the feeling of a modern 300 2 banger. So, in a couple days we will be picking up our new 2022 Sherco 300 se Factory. We looked at other brands but just couldn't beat the Sherco value for money. All the goodies on it for a couple grand less than a KTM, Husqvarna or GasGas.
Value for money certainly gets mentioned a lot with the Sherco in all these comments, Dan...
After 20 years of Yamaha, I bought a Sherco 300SEF 4t. Love the bottom end and don't think another 4T can touch it in the nasty. I did have some charging issues fixed under warranty. Can't say if it was the regulator or the stator, both were replaced on my 2021. Cannot surpass the KYB suspension, even better than the Yamaha YZFX valving on the singletrack. Good to have a seat that isn't a plank while on a fire road. The bike handles better than I do. The headlight is shit but a LED bulb makes a huge difference. Graphics fly off with a pressure washer. Maintenance could be easier (at least on the 4T). The trials bias of the Sherco brand just suits me. Tons of bottom that keeps pulling. Great for an old fart like me. While my experience is 4T, I hear the same good attributes on the 2T models.
Good to hear. These 300SEF's are very intriguing bikes for us four stroke guys trying to ride with 2 stroke friends
Good to hear, David. Yes the stators and regulators have been iffy in the past. A friend is buying the four stroke 300 model so I'll get to try it regularly... I hope!
@@crosstrainingenduro the 300 SEF factory is really great. I love mine. My ‘21 got updated p/n cams that improve the starting and eliminates any flameouts whatsoever. Easy warranty coverage and zero hassle. Suspension can’t be touched. I’ve owned a ‘19 300RR and a ‘20 XCW300 TPI and now own a ‘22 Xtrainer. The new Xtrainer is flawless. Dealer greased connections before I got it. It’s awesome and the new clutch feels great.
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Sherco 300SE with a smart carb. I absolutely love it !!!! Great handling and suspension
Tons of torque such a awesome bike
Hello. Is really the smartcarb a good improvment on u're bike ? Why did you change the original carb ? Consumption, feeling, torque ? What about leakage if you lean the bike too much ?
Thanks 😁
@@LionelCOSTE From what I heard Smartcarb increases power, you can make adjustments on the go, fuel economy is better and does not leak when going sideways.
How many hours have you done? Does the engine break down? do you recommend this bike?
I recently got a brand new 2022 Tm en 300 Ed carb model. Easily the best bike I’ve ridden. It came on the richer side but once I changed the jetting and jet needle woah! Very nice pulls to the moon and back
I've only ridden the FI model so keen to see what the carb is like.
I’m really enjoying my beta 350rr race edition from 2017. Been taking it through slow technical terrain for years and never let me down. Only boiled it over once, but now have a fan. Definitely lacks bottom end zap compared to my 300 works edition X-Trainer, but is just as capable in all situations with my mediocre skills steering it. Betas are just so comfortable (once you swap out the seat), but I’d think the Sherco could be a good alternative. Or dare I say it a GasGas EC300 with reflashed mapping and low comp head from TSP
We are definitely spoiled for choice nowadays...
what did you swap the seat to ? or you just mean you customised it ? they look painted on which is a bit of a turn off lol
My 19 tpi husky has never missed a beat. 160 hours. 5000km. Always starts been a good friend
Ive got a '17 TE300 with similar hours on it, never misses a beat and am very hesitate to trade up. Fricken love it too much...
Agreed 100% with your list, currently third year on sherco 300se and loving it.
No problems with the jetting? That seems to be the main thing on recent models and easily fixed. I think some dealers just fix it automatically in their presales prep.
@@crosstrainingenduro I guess these days any bike from factory you have to uncork and tune a bit. Bikes was rich as hell stock, sludge from the pipe all the time. Few try and error jets swaps and works perfect now. Engine and suspension is rock solid, everything else could be better.
Really like the TM racing bikes, Id say they have the best parts and build quality. Their motors are on another level and sound/feel so good. They aren't as cushy as a KTM or Beta, but I think you will like owning one.
My first big bike was a TM 125 in 2003 I still have it and it rips, came with full Ohlins suspension.
Was lucky to live by Thom Coppersmith's shop (Ohlins specialist) he was the TM dealer at the time. Had a few KTM-250xcw since then and now been riding mostly TM's since 2017 and sold my last KTM a year ago and have no desire to ride anything else
It would hit the wallet pretty hard but I was impressed with how light it felt, Mike. It's definitely a contender.
@@crosstrainingenduro Be really cool to see you riding one in the future videos.
I called around for the best price since there is no dealer in my area. Last time got a end-of-the year model from a really small dealer, it was a few hundred more than what a KTM Xcw would have been locally.
Parts are usually more expensive then Ktm for comparison, but the stuff is made by them- a small company not mass production.
Not sure about where your at in AU, but resale is an issue here as they are not well known even to the dirt bike shops where I live
I ride Orange, my wife rides Green. My dad rides Red and my daughter rides Blue. Some would say I'm color blind in brand preference at this stage in my life.
With that said, I have to agree with what you said up front. The bikes are often more capable than we are.
Know what you got, what you need to watch out for and LEARN HOW TO RIDE IT.
Past that and any restrictive details like you mentioned with registration or anything similar, it's a matter of preference. In my opinion brand loyalty is often not a healthy habit to get into.
Completely agree, I've done two vids now about brand loyalty and how it can be a bit of a trap.
Wow! Love the technical riding! I would love to own a TM.
Very tempted, a really good looking bike. I'm not sure on parts availability here in Oz though...it would be good to see them become more established with a broader dealer network.
Videos are always on point, appreciate you!
Thanks! I know we'll often generate lots of disagreements, but I think it's always good to have a critical eye about all the current models and generate discussion... instead of just raving about them all like most dirt bike mags and social media channels seem to.
just purchased the brand new 2022 beta 300rr racing its got a completely revised engine its still early days yet but the bike is insane what a machine everything been working perfectly
Same here so far so good!
I for one would love to see you in the TM EN300 carb. It would just be nice to see a fresh perspective on the brand as a whole. On paper it seems to be the most ideal bike. Everything about it just looks amazing. Just would like to hear more from real world owners on what it's like to own one of these machines. Without all the usual parroting of old stereotypes. But, my second choice would be the Sherco 300 SE Factory. It's a near perfect Enduro bike. The lack of kick starter is annoying. And it doesn't help that they made adding one later an impossibility just rubs salt in the wound. Plus, there are a few minor odds and ends that could have been designed better. Good luck. Can't wait to see what you end up with. Keep up the good work.
I've been googling around like made to get owner impressions and find known issues but there simply isn't a lot of info out there yet. It's really a toss up between the TM and Sherco at the moment.
@@crosstrainingenduro Indeed, something also to consider is that TM Racing just did a major update to their entire line for 2022. Not sure if you were aware or not. The 2022 models look amazing with all new plastics and a all new chassis. I'd recommend checking them out. No better time to be getting a TM bike. Tho, you may want to look into availability. As I hear some have needed to wait months for their bikes to arrive. And again I am sure we would all love to see you on a TM. It would just be such a unique situation to get a good reliable unbiased opinion on the brand. Thank you for responding. Love the channel.
I did get a test ride on a 2021 model, I'll put a vid out about that shortly
The dealer gave me a deal on ‘21 Rieju MR 300 racing last year (March 2021). Paid list price of $8800. That’s around $2K less than the KTM/ Husky/Gas Gas. The ‘22 models have the same components. It is the best value for the money. Rieju doesn’t have a tpi bike but has some top quality components on it. The bike is essentially a 2018-2019 Gas Gas EC 300.
With that sort of price difference I reckon I'd be jumping on a Rieju as well, Kelly. But they are barely any cheaper here.
@@crosstrainingenduro My brother and I test rode the MR PRO 300 in August last year and loved it. Decided I didn't need that much power and I dont want to lug my bike around. Picked up a '21 Rieju MR200 in December, for $12, 540 (registered), I went for it cause it was $450 cheaper than a beta 200 and has kyb suspension. The biggest concern is there seems to be no online parts store from Rieju Aus
Good price!
@@crosstrainingenduro someone said before they are running out the '21 Pro model for 13k with xtrig triples and DLC KYB, that's thousands less than a 6days KTM which doesn't even have upgraded suspension.
Thank you for the video! You never fail to deliver good vids 🙂
It would be interesting to know how do the bikes fit people who are either unusually short or tall, I only rode KTMs, TMs and Rieju (when it was still Gasgas) and had no problems fitting despite being somewhat tall (195 cm) but heard that Beta and Sherco in particular are made with shorter people in mind. TM seems like a nice option, the price is quite good, unlike the KTMs, but they felt rather hard (suspension etc.) - not sure if that is the right english word, but I hope you know what I mean, more to the racing or MX setup rather than an enduro fit for beginners.
As a rough rule of thumb, a very short rider will find the Beta Xtrainer has the lowest seat height. Then the Rieju Ranger. Next, all the other Beta models. I think the rest are pretty similar after that?
@@crosstrainingenduro Thanks!
I’m lucky enough to live down the road from the TM importer, they are stand up and offer amazing support, I have a 20 en300 carb and I absolutely love the bike. It will goto the Moto X track one day and with no adjustments to suspension pull off technical single track or even hard enduro. This is quite likely the Swiss Army knife of off-road bikes. We have two tsi bikes as well and they have a more muted feel but are actually more powerful than the carb once on the pipe. The low end is adequate for most. Plus you can have them load the hot tune..
I'd be going for the 'cold tune' probably, Steve. 😂 The fuel injected one I test rode really started to sing from midrange and on.
@@crosstrainingenduro the bike we have is easily 5 hp or so it feels above the carb bike, pipe and everything else is identical. It’s crazy how fast it is.
I would go for the Italian stallion. That engine .. for you maybe with a carb.
The 2022 model looks even more promising. Keep up the great work 👍
Which Italian stallion though, Tiago? TM or Beta?
@@crosstrainingenduro TM Racing ;)
I bought a 2022 Ktm 300exc, my previous bike was a 2019 Husky 300 tpi which was great and very reliable. Ktm has great support and is a great bike. I would whatever brand has best support in my area
For many it does come down to that, Trevor. Best support and your favourite colour!
How many hours have you done tpi 2019 ?
My son just got a YZ 250 X and I REALLY like it ! I thought it would be peaky but power delivery is smooth ! currently I'm on a 2010 KTM 300 XCW.
ok great video, I have learnt alot. Ive never really ventured away from KTM and Husky, not because of Brand but availability and how close they are to where I live. I do have a husky 300 and KTM 350. Both run very well.
cant beat a carb for bush riding IMO , i think i would try a sherco for my next bike
I wanted the fuel injection of the KTM triplets mainly because I just never trust where I land with jetting etc. The FI gives me some peace of mind that I'm always roughly in the ball park and just makes it all a bit easier. We (the wife and I) picked up 2 x GasGas EC250 2021 run out deals after the 2022 model came out rather than KTM/Huskie because for all intents and purposes its the same and was significantly cheaper than the other two. Rideaway $11k with rego due to the runout deal+the cheaper brand.
You are right with the Japanese, if Yamaha made the wr two stroke range again I would definitely buy one. Come on Yamaha get your shit together
Owned a monoshock IT250, great bike, terrible brakes and headlight but everything else was good. Simple, fast and tough. 6 speed box.
beta 300rr. 8 reasons. ! 1 street legal. 2 oil injection. 3 carburetor. 4 Easiest starting. 5 lowest seat height. 6 best price by far. 7 six month warranty. 8 my buddys shop near me sells them and I got a great deal!!! Also they look the best and seem to be the Quietest! Maybe it was 10 reasons? Just a lot of good reasons
2016 KTM 250 xcw here best bike I ever had well jetted carburetor way better bike than I am Rider I don't think I'd trade it for a brand new one keep up the good work
A friend bought one of the last carb 250EXCs in Australia, Don. Such a light bike! It's a shame they had to do the TPI thing, then release it before they had ironed out all the kinks.
Just purchased my 2nd Beta 300 RR. Originally I went to look at husky but none in stock so I started looking at others and was coming off a wr450.I like the strong ease of simplicity of getting to all the parts to work on and having a dealer close.I was looking at sherco but I have no dealer anywhere close but I have 2 betas dealerships one within 25 miles the other ones in 60 mile range. So this had a determination factor in choosing a beta and wanted to stay away from orange.. beta is a good bike but they're all good bikes.
There seems to be this increasing trend of riders wanting to avoid going orange. I know why I'm part of that crowd, but it would be interesting to see the reasons of others.
@@crosstrainingenduro I recently went orange TPI, my main reason was the availability of parts both dealer and aftermarket. I also know that resale on KTM 300's is very good. Yes its a bitter pill to swallow forking out 17k for a bike that you throw down a mountain, and I think this might be why people are shying away from the brand. A friend of mine has a Sherco 300 (2019) race edition and he has had tuning issues despite the dealer making adjustments. He has fouled more than one plug on a ride (I'm 70 hrs in on my TPI with Race Map and never fouled a plug). He asked me to help him do a top end so I searched for the Sherco Workshop Manual (not owners manual), it is a complete joke compared to the KTM workshop manual. Go see for yourself.
Husaberg rider thinking going French frog sherco after seeing the boss's 300 factory looks minty test ride it this weekend....
I’m a husky/ktm rider for years now and it’s time to move on for me aswell.
I’ve just purchased tm 250 2t (carby) and can’t wait to throw a leg, I’ll let you know how that goes👍
I'll be keen to hear! Not sure if I'm swinging for a TM yet so keen to see what owners think.
Great video
Good stuff, a lesson for dirt bike magazine ! Wide world 2-stroke enduro shootouts - have been missing for 30 years.
They seem to occasionally do a two stroke shootout but I find the reviews useless if they aren't talking about long term reliability and known issues. I reckon for the average rider, the performance of all these bikes is very similar... and much better than our abilities will ever be lol.
@@crosstrainingenduro So true! You are doing a truly unique service to off road riders everywhere by focusing on tangibles like reliability and long term cost of ownership😀
Bought a Sherco se300 Racing -21 this winter. That low end power is outstanding and I love it 😎
We really liked the engine on the 2021 Sherco we test rode. The Betas are very good in that respect too so it would mean geting the same grunt if I decide to go French.
How many hours have you done? Does the engine break down? do you recommend this bike?
@@amek4736 No problem at all, don't remember the hours when I sold it....125h or so.
I have a 2021 Sherco 300SEF, i absolutely love the bike, probably the best enduro bike that i have own ( Honda, KTM, Husqvarna), since im looking to change to 2T im thinking trading it for a 2022 Beta 300RR i hope i dont regret it.
How many hours have you done? Does the engine break down? do you recommend this bike?
For '22 I'm sticking with my '16 KTM EXC. Yeah it's not perfect but it's the devil I know. Got my first race in a little over a week and loving the riding. Thanks for all the vids
I reckon KTM were doing really well those last few years with the carb models. Only a fraction over 100kg! Then the TPI added weight, complexity, problems and less bottom end power. 😢
Yeah I’m sticking with my 17 250 xcw for now. I really do wish Yamaha would update the 250x to be more competitive. I don’t even need EFI. And I don’t really care if they add weight to get electric start. That’d be my choice for a new bike, if it existed.
I had a 2019 KTM 300tpi xcw, about 313hours, no engine or tpi problems at all and only changed the piston once at about 260 hours.
I recently switched to a 2020 350excf and don't regret it at all, the 350 is by far the best bike I've ever owned.
Interesting! Both two stroke specialists I spoke with about the TPI said rebuilds should be done more often as the engines will wear faster. And while some have seized engines within a few hours, others do go for 200 hours or more before a rebuild....
@@crosstrainingenduro That's true, but since I only did chill enduro on it and it only did 5 races in total (2 enduros and 3 rallies) I decided to go a couple of hours more on the piston before changing it.
@@crosstrainingenduro The internet is an echo chamber for negativity. It's not a good barometer for the overall reliability. KTM sells SO MANY bikes. Even on all the KTM / TPI -specific forums, there really aren't very many reports of seizures. The "experts" are in the business of selling their tunes, so they will downplay reliability.
I had quite a few chats with the 'experts' and I never felt they were trying to push their services... we barely spoke about that and I told them I wouldn't be actively promoting their stuff. All of this is backed up by dealers and industry insiders. In Australia and other countries, there have been shortages on top end rebuild kits due to the number of seizures. Some guys have had to wait a few months before they got parts. I didn't mention this in the vid as it could be quite damaging to the brands, and they are fixing them as goodwill warranty when out of the 30 day warranty period. Again, it's only a small percentage seizing, but it's enough to cause a supply issue for parts in some countries.
@@crosstrainingenduro I'd love to see real numbers, scientific data (which will never happen). My own experiences with riders and dealers differs from yours, but that could be as much to do with our own biases as it has to do with small sample anecdotal data. 👍
Great luck with my 2020 tpi. Doing a reflash and new head now as stock tuning wasnt 100% but was 9/10 for tuning. If i bought another bike? It would be a 2022 xc-w 300 tpi. I would give the non linkage a try for log/ rock clearance etc.
Get yourself a Spanish senorita!( Rieju ) My 2005 ec300 is incredibly reliable! The Spanish are great engineers and passionate about dirtbikes.
Also, thanks for another excellent video!
hi! would you buy a exc 300 tpi 2018 or a xtrainer 300 2022?
i'm planning on doing some enduro and some cross in national tracks
i had a tm 300 2013 (and a 2008 gas gas250) and honestly the tm was too much of a racer for me..
maybe to just have fun for us "sunday riders" an xtrainer could be the answer
thanks to anyone who wnats to share his thoughts on this!
I’m so sad now I’m going to go cry because I just purchased a 2022 beta 300 rr race edition. I love my bike so far! We will see if I have issues. I’m still happy with my purchase. Keep up the awesome videos
You'll be fine, Donnie. 😊 It's only a percentage of bikes with electrical issues, see our Beta 2022 known issues vid to see how to do the check. They are genuinely good bikes but they just can't seem to get their electrics 100% bulletproof for everyone.
@@crosstrainingenduro hopefully the 2022 bikes will be better.
I have the 22 Sherco Barry. I love it!
Just something about the ergos that I find sublime in the tough technical stuff.
I have about 60 hours on it and no issues at all.
They need to be jetted and re geared before you go to far. Stupidly rich from factory.
Out of my TE 300(tpi) rr300 500excf the 22 sherco is my favourite bike ever.
Yep, a few guys have told me that it MUST be rejetted before the first ride. It's been complained about for so long I wonder why the factory persists with that setting? Maybe it works in cold climates?
@@crosstrainingenduro very strange.
Let me know if you go this route. I can put you onto the sherco jetting master. I’m very happy with mine now. Absolute sublime engine and ergos.
Few little issues with plastics lining up and strangely routed wiring harness but all easy fixes.
I’m not a one eyed fan boy, have three different brands in the garage but honestly the sherco wins hands down.
How many hours have you done? Does the engine break down? do you recommend this bike?
20’ ktm 300 xcw tpi. I’ve Loved it. Never had a break down 175 hrs. Change top end at 140 hrs. Piston looked great. No complaints. Don’t be scared if tpi. It works great. Smooth smooth.
As per the vid, the majority of owners shouldn't face issues. But it's very clear that a significant percentage hit all sorts of problems. And there have been enough seized engines at low hours to cause a supply shortage of top end parts in quite a few countries.
I have a 2019 gasgas ec300. Reiju have largely fixed the starter issues. If you can feel the weight difference you are a much faster rider than me ! Carb , kick starter, one of the best out of the box suspension set ups. I would not right the reiju off it is great for technical riding and single track. Good luck with your choice!
Not faster, Alex. We do a lot of slow snotty tracks so we often need to lift the bikes. The extra few kg with a Rieju shouldn't bother most riders but we definitely want to go as light as we can.
What are your thoughts on the 2022 'Sherco 300 SE Racing' with the open chamber KYB forks? Can't find any reviews. Big savings over the factory model $$$ and similar performamce other than suspension. Maybe the softer setup is better suited to tigher and slower hard enduro conditions?
Haven't ridden it. We rode a 2021 Racing and it seemed fine. But typically we wouldn't know good suspension if it his us in the face. As long as it bounces a bit we are happy.
I got and still have a 2021 husky 300, it has been pushed to around 203 hours at this time, and it really hasn't had that much issues for how long I've had it, they are decent bikes. They just need more work before I can fully trust them. In fact they are so reliable they I had sent to 130 hours only for to get top end rebuild and a new pump, so far everything is how it should be. But at the end of the year I'm planning on switching to the 4 stroke enduro models as the little issues on the bike have been pissing me off
Good to hear you haven't hit major issues with the TPI, Cameron. Most owners don't, but a significant minority do. 😢
What are the little issues?
@@andybj4091 really the only issue I can think of is the fuel pump it slowly likes to fail over time, had some electric problems but that was a high hours. It's great bike but you have to take care of it. But it's very reliable it lasted up to 130 hours just with the average maintenance.
If all goes to plan I have my name on a Tm300en carby with the big 12L tank also getting bash plates but I’m opting for this one as I think it looks the best but also carby kick start and Estart are my must haves on a bike I don’t want to be stuck in a gully with a dead battery or stuffed efi at least with a carby I can do work track side and all else fails I have a kick start 🤘
Just got my 3rd te 250 great bikes no problems yet.
Good to hear, Gary
I was one hoping with the new 2022 Beta revisions in wiring harness motor, mapping and some others, that Beta would finally have put to rest the gremlins in the wires and some past motor issues. I love the bike for it's size and ease for a shorter older rider (57) but at 40 hours and 2 months oil injection stopped working due to the NEW for 2022 ECU corrosion issue rotting the ECU plug and pins. Beta claims it's a small issue however my recent poll on one US FB group shows 12 out of 52 2022 XT have oil injection failure due to ECU/plug and harness corrosion thats 24% in our small poll. I know you covered this already in a vid just wanted to share my story here and say for now I'm sticking with the XT, but mixing my own oil/gas for now on. Beta USA has again stepped up and have just finished under warranty complete new top end, completed new harness and ECU. Fingers crossed it holds up and thanks for all you do 👍🏻 Also I'd like to see you on a TM my friend.
I hope it all goes smoothly now, Shawn! A Beta mechanic told me he says the oil injection is pretty reliable but he always advises owners to ditch it eventually. When? He wasn't specific, but just said eventually the chances increase that something will go wrong! When I sold my Xtrainer I told the buyer about all of this and suggested he consider the switch at some point...
Got mine, a GPX TSE300R. Full fun, half the price, and about 80% performance from the European bikes. Truly, a working class hero.
I'm keeping a close eye on the GPX 300, it's shaping up to be a real contender to the main brand bikes
Is it still really heavy, Callum? I decided a while back I would never buy a Chinese made bike. But I did look at the first models and was surprised at the weight.
hey bazza, long time viewer. I got 2022 beta! love the bike. expensive to prep for extreme enduro. wire loom and routing is terrible and can even melt and short out over right-hand rad! overall great bike
The electrics seems to be the main Achilles heel on the Betas now. If they can get that sorted, and just general quality control during assembly,and proper support for their distributors/dealers.... they'll be flying.
Good morning Australia from Italy. In my area we ride 300 2T a lot as we have pretty steep single tracks. Here what is reported from most. Let's start from Beta : 2022 model is one of crowd's favorite and eveybody sais it's the best Beta ever. TM is a great machine but the chassis is very stiff and they are better suited for racing than for everyday amatour use or hard enduro. The KTM/husky/GAS GAS triptych of course have they own hard core fans and the fuel injection is starting to be more accepted and are staples regardless the very high price. Sherco also is a very good machine but not so popular. What instead is very very interesting is the Rieju 300 2t as it is reported to e really good in hard enduro and has a very good price for the quality. I'm in the market for a new (or used let's see ) 300 2t so I apreciate your video (as always) and your point of view from down under. Bye !
Buonjiorno Paolo, come stai? In some countries the Rieju is very cheap but unfortunately not in Australia. But all the 300 stroke bikes are very good. You can't really make a bad choice!
Love my 2022 beta 300rr race so far !
I personaly own the beta rr300 and love it. But it had 2 issuse, a broken battery but got that replaced under warrenty and it has been fine for a few months now. And a not working tach due to a sensor fair that i replaced for 20€ . My bet is on the beta rr300 and sherco
I was really leaning towards the Sherco. Back in late 2020 when I made a big purchase I decided to go with Husky due to lack of dealers in my general area(US-Indiana). I wish it were lighter. When I have to pick up the rear for whatever reason. Or adjust the bike from being upside down, man is it tough.
What model Husky? They are generally some of the lightest models out there.
I will miss the lightness of my Beta Xtrainer. It was great being able to pick it up quite easily in the tight gnarly terrain. It's a good point for the TM, the carb model isn't much heavier than the XTrainer. All the other bikes around the 104 to 105kg mark.
Spikes KTM and cycle sport KTM are the only dealers in Indiana That have been worth anything for me in Indiana for KTM. I just purchased a new bike from Fattys Cycle a new Beta 300 rr race edition and Fattys Has Beta and Sherco.
I have to say the guys at Fatty’s cycle were great to work with! I thought I wanted a KTM until I rode the Beta. Don’t get me wrong they all make great bikes but don’t overlook Beta and or Sherco and if you want one of these bikes in Indiana. I would go talk to the guys at Fattys they treated me right!
Interesting that the early TPI models have had issues. I recently bought a 300TPI erzberg edition. Purely as I wanted something that didn't really need add-on upgrades.
It's a total overkill bike for my current ability level as im just getting back into dirtbikes. But so far I'm loving it. I haven't had any issues so far other than the terrible factory plate holder mounting system.
I wish there was more smaller serious trail bike options as my partner is super keen to learn and get her licence but options are limited.
Actually the seizing is more in the later models, 2020 and 2021, when they went ridiculously low on oil use. It was more sensors stuffing up in the first two years. But thankfully not everyone hits problems.
Went from a 21' KTM 250xc (fun bike...hated the forks) To a 21' Sherco SEF300.. when its running its awesome. Ive had timing issues at 5 hrs, and now its back again at 10hrs. hopefully they get it rt now. KYB was good after revalve in the forks. Picked up a 22' KTM 300XC in the meantime...all round dream of a bike for first 10hrs... Forks for whatever reason were amazing and compliant out of the box. Tons of low end and the bike is nimble. As effortless as ive experienced thus far to ride. I think in the end, there is a palpable level if individuality w all these bikes. Id love to try a Sherco se300
There's certainly no one bike that stands out for everyone, Chris. A very individual choice! And of course they all have their known issues... it's just bad luck if you are one of the 5 to 10% who hit those problems.
@@crosstrainingenduro No doubt...firm believer in this philosophy..Keep up the good content !
Can’t wait to see you on your new. TM 300 😉
It's either Italiano or Francais, Mitchell. So 50% chance!
Thank you for subtitles.
We LOVE you un Spain!
There have been subtitles on our RUclips vids for the past year, Federico. But unfortunately Facebook is very slow! They are just starting subtitles in other languages now... and only a few languages. Espanol con esperanza!
I just ordered a 2022 Beta 300 rr . I might change my order to the race version, any thoughts about that? Im 60, 5-7, 165 lb fairly good single track rider. Thanks for any input!
At our riding level I always opt for the base model and just save the money.
Myself I am going back & forth between the Sherco & theTM. I have three Italian made bikes in the garage two of three are street Ducati & Guzzi Griso & an older Husqvarna TXC 250.
Between the two I am looking at, which would you recommend?
I dont' really do personal bike recommendations, Doug. But a while back I did a vid about why I ran with the Sherco instead of the TM.
@@crosstrainingenduro okay I’ll look that video up. Thank you. I’ve been leaning more towards the Sherco because of the distribution of bikes & parts.
Oh, so you'll be getting Sherco or TM, very exciting. I'm hoping for a TM, since I know less about them, but Sherco would be interesting as well.
My brother is getting a new bike as well... we are leaning heavily toward the Sherco simply because the parts availability ain't real good for the TM in Australia.
@@crosstrainingenduro Yep, I hear you, but I feel for the TM, because they are not as prevalent, there are not that many parts, so they don't become that prevalent... Thus I'm selfishly hoping you will take one for the team (and for the content!! :).
Cant go wrong in my opinion with any of these bikes, what colour floats your boat !
Picking up my 2022 Beta 300RR tomorrow. Keeping my 05 KDX 220 as well. A little bit of old school and some new school.
Great to hear, Blake! Have you heard about keeping an eye out for corrosion on that ECU connection with recent Beta models?
@@crosstrainingenduro yup, they checked it over
I'm on a 2018 Beta 250rr. I was bitten by the Beta main bearing issue 3x. Beta USA gave me bearings first time, cases and bearings second time and crank and bearings the final time + all gaskets etc. Fingers crossed it's fixed now. I think I'm on 70 hours on the latest set of bearings. So maybe.... 304 hours total on the bike now. I did my own work. Also had to replace the front wiring harness. If I were buying a new bike now, I'd probably get another Beta or the TM. The hard decision for me is do I stick with a 250.. or go with a 300?
I remember David. Three times. 😢 I'm glad Beta USA have been so supportive but in other countries it hasn't been that good and as a result some guys have sworn off Betas for life. The Beta head office really need to improve their game dramatically and not just rely on their distributors to cover for their mistakes.
@@crosstrainingenduro I was lucky for sure.. I'm still baffled they havn't nailed down the exact cause of the bearing issue. Sounds like a lot of things are lax at Beta HQ. I noticed the surface of the new crank where the bearings sit was a thousandth or two smaller than the original crank. Everything else measured the same and runout/wobble was nil. I'm wondering if the problem the whole time wasn't moisture. Each time I noticed rust on the crank near the bearings. But that could be due to heat oxidation of the bearing shrapnel.. who knows. I now let the bike idle for 20 minutes afterwards any time it's near water. Just in case.
For me it’s about spending my money with a dealer I trust as I think the buying experience and support is everything, (the bikes are all amazing) so I go to Toowoomba to get my sherco!
I like doing the same, Scott. Support the really good dealers! I actually bought my last bike from interstate just to support one of Australia's best dealers...
Love your content, tho wish you'd evaluate Japanese bikes too being that I live in the US. Have been a lifetime 2-stroke rider, but just bought my 1st 4-stroke - a KLX 300R. Am older now, not so interested in hard enduros or going too fast, yet still enjoy technical trails and improving my skills. Looking forward to more great content!
Unfortunately four strokes would be forever overheating on our rides, they don't make the best choice for hard enduro. 😢 But as I get older we'll have to back off gradually so the four strokes will probably be more suitable for us eventually...
I paid 16k for my TM.... KTM dealer price seems around 17k at the moment. Rieju was my other choice but heart said TM and glad I did. Quality components aside, another consideration is upgrades you may plan on your purchase and to take these into account. The TM already has rubber mounted bars, Mitas tyres, AND a kick starter. The Rieju Pro is on par parts wise with the TM and is also 16k. Both on the upper end price wise but still cheaper than the Austrians. Sure, not compared to a Ranger or Xtrainer but you're not really comparing the same thing. Also I believe the 22 TM's may have shifted from TPI to throttle body injection. Something I definitely would have been keen for if available but I bought a 21 carby.
You certainly get a lot with the TM in standard form, Rupert. Very very tempted...
@@crosstrainingenduro that throttle body injection vs transfer port injection is worth looking into. May not meet emissions for mass manufactures but TM can probably get away with it. Injecting at the throttle body means more time to mix in the crankcase? May solve the weaker bottom end issues. I think I heard ktm doing something similar but only for the purely off road competition stuff
I think I'd just prefer to go for the carb. It's cheaper. The bike is lighter. And just less to go wrong.
@@crosstrainingenduro Agree 100% ... Tm has buckets of power but like you I had a Beta before. Beta had more bottom but nowhere near the mid and top. I should have a head sometime in the next week with a hard enduro insert, different squish and profile. Developed by a guy in Europe who races these. 295 euros and includes gaskets. I get on fine on the TM but more is always betterer :P I'll let you know how it goes
I’ve got a Sherco 300se racing coming. Ordered in July last year. Am told April delivery. We will see. Am super keen to get it. But the TM is a cool bike also, it would be my next option definitely.
Damn that's a long wait. Was it caught up in all the freight delays reported on the news?
@@crosstrainingenduro not sure, dealer rang and offered a 250se factory instead which was nice, but I want a 300. He mentioned the racing models were being built after the factory models or something because of the lower order numbers.. I’ve just accepted the waiting period, I can’t change it. Great dealer aswell..
Good to hear, always worth supporting a good dealer. I actually bought my last bike from interstate because the dealer is so good...
@@crosstrainingenduro if you go with the Sherco, dealer in Toowoomba is the one.. nicest bloke.
What do you make of the fact that pros (Webb, Walker) that go for Sherco & Beta are not on the top step anymore?
Also Carb unfortunately is a thing of the past at least in Europe so might just embrace the fact that KTM is pushing to have a reliable 2 stroke tpi when we are not allowed (very soon) to ride carb anymore? Keen to hear your thoughts.
Cheers Barry
I could only hazard a guess, Oli. I've spoken with an number of pro riders and on the quiet they will say it doesn't really matter which bike they are on. It comes down to who pays the best, offers the most support, and has the highest profile that will further your career. By that reasoning, KTM is part of a huge multinational corporation with huge amounts of money to put into promotion. They will offer the most, so probably will get the best riders in most cases? Personally I doubt it has anything to do with the bikes at all in most cases.
Fuel injection? Sadly we have to go that way by the looks of things. Even KTM insiders have said they wouldn't have touched fuel injection if they weren't forced to do it. With luck they'll iron out the kinks and it will be reliable for everyone. The carb isn't dead yet. Only the Austrians have abandoned it completely. It may survive in Europe for a few more years.
Walker just came back from injury & won the AMA EX and Cody also back form injury did very well other than one bad race. Both beat the reigning champ on the other brand, this was in a season with the highest level of competition it has ever had. It appears that KTM is struggling to have reliable injection or strong enough swingarms to handle EX for that matter.
Well, I really love my Beta RR300. And since I only buy a new bike every 10 or 12 years I'll be in my 70's for the next one. I'll check back in for your 2027 review of the latest bikes 😅🤣
I hope I'm still dirt riding in 2027, Dave!
I feel the same my,21 300rr will most likely be my last bike.I don't really like getting a new bike and have to go through the set up and buying all new protection pieces.I always have to at least buy new springs because they all come set up for smurfs
@@jeffbrownell279 Yeah, all the protective pieces can add up to a pretty penny! I agree about the springs. Rode my buddies bike with new springs and I couldn’t believe how much better it worked . I went and bought new springs the next day.
You sound just like me, 60 and just ordered a Beta 300 and thinking about changing it to the race version, any thoughts?
@@powerwagon3731 Other than the KYB suspension and other do-dads that they throw in I couldn't justify the extra cost. Plus I like the oil injection. People say the Sachs forks aren't very good but once I put in the right springs they work fine for me. I don't race so it's more about just having fun and the RR has more power that I really need. Have you gotten a delivery date from the factory? My buddy ordered a RR200 to be due in March and they said they can't fill the order now. He already sold his other bike so he scrambled to find a RE200, no RR to be found anywhere close enough to drive to.
If I get back into the sport. I believe I am going to go with the Sherco carb model
Do it for the love of the sport👍