Yeah, for Larry June, he uses an MPC 2500 and a Maschine Mikro mk3, AFAIK, the mikro. And to find the BPM of a perfect sampleloop, you can use this formula 60÷(Sample length in samples ÷ samplerate ÷ beats). Bought a school Casio for 16 bucks to do the math. Hell, what you get these days for 16 bucks. Later I found out the timestretch algorithm also comes equipped with a tempo page that does the same, JJOS2XL rules. And for calculating the BPM of a transposed down loop I use the SP404 mk2...looks like a large calculator so it can be used as one right? Just goto the sample tempo page of dummy sample. Set the speed of your original sample and lower or up the semitones.
Showing how to do it on multiple different daws and machines is awesome nice work. It’s important that the newer gen sees that the tools don’t matter .
Never knew I can timestretch on MPC live and change the tempo efficiently like that! I've been doing random math changing the semitone til now. Thank you!
4:06 You're not using JJ OS, that's why you might be missing some options. But JJ OS gives you all of these options and more. Your MPC will get another life with the JJ OS, trust me bro.
I use JJOS2XL.....cool. And time stretch and pitch change are there. I think Ave should push some dollars to Japan, mine came equipped with it, last July. Very cool machine....sampling from CD or record. All there.
You can actually chop , stretch and pitch with stock FL plug-ins . There are several ways to achieve this . For me though , I prefer analog / hands on a piece of gear as opposed to clicking a mouse or typing keyboard but it can be done .
Also really easy in FL, just align it to the grid and do manual chops. Done manual chops a grip of times. Not as intuitive as with using a actual groovebox but eh is good enough. People have even recreated JDillas songs in Audacity lmao. If theres a will theres a way
You can press SHIFT and change the tune in all of them all together. I think the JJ OS also has time stretch. I would have to take my 2500 to confirm which function that was.
THANK YOU SO MUCH!!!!! ive been struggling with getting my samples to match up, thanks to you i know what my issue was, the project tempo lol. just needed to adjust that and bam, my samples lined up. thank you so much man!!!!! i struggled for YEARS my dude, ive been crying tears of happiness to finally GET IT, bout to call my momma lol
Reminds me how terrible and frustrating the stock OS on this unit was :-D These units were soooooo limited without jjos. I have doubta on the 32 slices technique though - if you check his video, some of the chops are much longer so I don’t think he blindly chopped to 32 regions…
You can adjust the endpoints after chopping if you set your new program to pad parameters therefore u can have as king of a slice as u want still using that technique
Yeah, I couldn't believe the things they didn't update from the 2000XL I was used to. Having to jump through every pad to change the pitch instead of the whole program. Thankfully JJOS added so many little things like that which makes it much more comfortable to use.
I’m short.. Alc basically played the drums chops and everything that came with it. That gives it the off-balance-ness that makes it kick. Using time stretch to fill in the “Air”.
Excellent ... I nice practical breakdown for people like myself who might have been intermediated by this type of equipment.. Still in Logic for now but I definitely see the benefits and the quality of sound.
Yo Ave, this is NICE bro!!! I love videos like this, digging deeper into classic producers/beat makers, and what makes them unique. Great job bro!🙏🏾✊🏾💚
they are basically the same units. anything you can do with a 2500, you can also do with a 1000. same OS, only difference is in the nr of ins/outs and q link sliders
Salute Ave. This was a good video for people trying to understand how the sample chop game works. A good friend of mind in 1996 figured out how DJ Premier, chopped the original song for Jeru The Damaja song Ya Playin Yaself. It took him 2 days to figure it out. You know what equipment he was using to do it? The gemini sampler and Tascam 4 track. This is before I got my MPC 3000. He got that shit down perfectly how Preemo did it. Like you said, you have to have an ear for music. It took me a good while before I became nice at chopping samples. Learning that the original instrument players never played rigid. Anyway good video as always. Keep teaching brother. ✌🏾
Am I trippin, can you do the same thing is fl slicer or slice x that he did I'm ableton? Especially with a perfectly looped sample with bpm? I could do that in 10 seconds lol wtf
You’re definitely Trippin. Fruity, slicer or slice X doesn’t have shopping in increments. We did our first matter fact, it has the exact opposite. It has low, medium and high. That’s not like the MPC, or abelton live at all. The problem with image line is they weren’t musicians when they develop FL studio. Matter fact, they were the exact opposite they were gamers. Which explains their poor musical terminology. Which has effected their user base.
@Ave Mcree sir this is incorrect, with all due respect. If you know the tempo you can slice to beat at increments of 16 and 32 , I've used that feature many times. Set the tempo, set the number of beats then click slice button and you can do to beat, 1/4 up to 1/6 of the beat... thats essentially the exact same thing.
Great great video Ave!! This is why when I find my own samples, I create perfect loops out of them!! For this very reason! Once done everything falls into place! That's why overall I think my style leans into cinematic!! It's similar to the jazzy loop the Alchemist flipped! You broke it down on different versions of gear to flip it on too!! Nice bruh!!🔥🔥🔥🔥
hey can you help me with MPC beats software program manipulation please, for some reason whenever i load up a program template and start recording drums , i use those templates which all tracks written in like drums, sythtube, keys and all that , now if i start by laying drums on the drums tracks , when i get to key and other track my keyboard doesn't play piano plugins or any piano sample if it's there on the template program i loaded , instead i find those piano sounds on my akai mpk mini 3 pads and not on the keyboard somehow
A more advanced technique is how ALC makes the chops sound less "choppy" if you catch my drift. He has absolutely mastered that. Like you can tell it's chopped but its subtle and almost sounds natural.
Should be easy to do this by just giving the sample a slower attack. Or side-chain comp. Though not only those things alone will make it sound natural but may help
As a MPC noob with no understanding whatsoever, here's something that has me scratching my head: The Alchemist brought up the source sample (which you explained is 66bpm) by 6 semitiones, not pitch-shifting it but varispeeding, which would result in around 93bpm (which you confirmed when you showed the approach on the MPC2500). Now to go to a target bpm of 87 (which you were aiming for) and the same +6 semitones in pitch, you shifted by 6 semitones, then time-stretched to 87. This induces artifacts from pitch-shifting by 6 semitomes (a ca. 1.4 factor) and by timestretching from 66 to 87 (a ca. 1.32 factor). The same result (bpm and pitch) could be achieved by first varispeeding by six semitones (which is a linear process, i.e. does not generate artifacts), and then timestretching by a relatively small factor of ca. 0.94. Why did you do it the way you proceeded?
The newer MPCs (and likely older models too) can process timestretch from bpm as well as pitch shift independent from one another… if I understand your question
Dam , I gotta get me an mpc . What I would do if I had one is track on it while sending my tracking from the daw . I guess it's kinda backwards , but the dam daw takes too long for everything anyway. I know the newer mpc s can link and track via midi . Can older ones keep sync in the daw also .
The alchemist gotta be one of the best producer names ever i cant come with a name as bad ass as that iv been using rorschach as my name lately but im not 100% on it a good producer name makes u stand out if someone likes the name they are more likely to check your stuff out
My MPC 2500 SE has JJOS2XL 3.8 on it. Result, Timestretch, check, Pitchshift, check....but to be fair, The Alchemist uses the 2500 in the state it came in. No clue why nit, but he will have his reasons.
This was fire bro please keep them coming. Can you please do a master class for all the MPC 's like the 500 to newest one in 2023😅😊❤ and the ones with JJOSXL.
Isn’t there another way to adjust pitch and keep tempo without doing it with the process menu? So if I wanna rechange the pitch I won’t have to go thru the process menu?
im not sure if you have jjos but on my mpc 2500 if i press mode and pad 11 it will allow me to pitch all pads up and down as a group at the same time as well as other edits
Any advice on filming? The sound I get on the iPhone external mic is garbage. I bought a 1/8 cable to lightning to record sound directly in which is better but not by much. I was going to film and at the same time record everything into pro tools. I noticed the volume on your 2500 knob was almost at zero so I figured you were recording audio into something else. Any advice would be much appreciated. Great video.
I noticed that some alchemist beats don’t seem bpm locked. Like the beat on Bundy & Sincere. The tempo constantly drifts. It’s a lot harder to make samples sound good when they aren’t perfectly on the grid already like splice loops
Trust anything that’s sampled on the mpc2000xl or 2500 is bpm locked. The loop has to be chopped perfectly every time. Otherwise, it will sound like trash.
@@AveMcree I see what you’re saying. I think what he does though,is have a main loop that’s bpm locked and the intro section might be locked to a different tempo. He’s actually said in interview that he doesn’t care if the intro section is at a different tempo. I think in the case of the song I mentioned, he plays out a long stretch of the sample at a free tempo before it starts looping a section. My other point is that when you chop an old vinyl sample rather than a splice loop, the tempo fluctuates because players weren’t playing to a metronome. So even if you have a perfect bpm synced loop, drum hits and things will be off which makes it difficult to chop right. This isn’t the case with splice loops since they’re quantized pretty perfectly.
Madlib was one of the first producers to make albums strictly using chops, J Dilla as well and a few years later Black Milk did this on almost all of his albums. If you listen to black milks "so gone" you can really hear the chop.
Who should I do next???
Pete on the sp1200
@@Elliott.Revell If someone will loan me a SP 1200. I'll gladly do a deconstructed video.
Conductor Williams
If you got a 2500 do some preemo goodness.
Just Blaze
That Larry June Alchemist Project been on repeat for me. Alchemist ain’t never missed
for 60 days lol
One of Uncle Larry's coldest projects! 🍊
Yeehee
Yeah, for Larry June, he uses an MPC 2500 and a Maschine Mikro mk3, AFAIK, the mikro. And to find the BPM of a perfect sampleloop, you can use this formula 60÷(Sample length in samples ÷ samplerate ÷ beats). Bought a school Casio for 16 bucks to do the math. Hell, what you get these days for 16 bucks. Later I found out the timestretch algorithm also comes equipped with a tempo page that does the same, JJOS2XL rules. And for calculating the BPM of a transposed down loop I use the SP404 mk2...looks like a large calculator so it can be used as one right? Just goto the sample tempo page of dummy sample. Set the speed of your original sample and lower or up the semitones.
Showing how to do it on multiple different daws and machines is awesome nice work. It’s important that the newer gen sees that the tools don’t matter .
they say mind over matter...
I love my mpc live 2 but I need a older mpc these look so amazing
Never knew I can timestretch on MPC live and change the tempo efficiently like that!
I've been doing random math changing the semitone til now. Thank you!
Love how you went thru multiple Devices to achieve the same dope outcome. This is Hip hop ✊🏾
This was the best part.
Natural teacher.
Dope! I think it’s cool how this is explained as to how the different generations of samplers all can translate the same sample the same way.
I want more old school MPC stuff. It can easily be applied to any sampler really.
why tho, aesthetics or functionality. and can i hear your beats
This has gotta be one of the most important lectures on sampling I've ever witnessed. Thank you for your wisdom! 🙏🏽
4:06 You're not using JJ OS, that's why you might be missing some options. But JJ OS gives you all of these options and more. Your MPC will get another life with the JJ OS, trust me bro.
Word!!! I was just about to mention JJOS to @Ave Mcree. Time stretching and, more especially, if you use XL.
So much easier with JJOS destructive chipping. Killer machine.
That's because the Alchemist doesn't use JJOS.
I use JJOS2XL.....cool. And time stretch and pitch change are there. I think Ave should push some dollars to Japan, mine came equipped with it, last July. Very cool machine....sampling from CD or record. All there.
What I like most about this video you showed us the same technique within the workflow of various MPCs and Daws
I've been listening to alc's beat all day and happened to come across this awesome video - perfect timing and breakdown thank you
You can actually chop , stretch and pitch with stock FL plug-ins . There are several ways to achieve this . For me though , I prefer analog / hands on a piece of gear as opposed to clicking a mouse or typing keyboard but it can be done .
Dope man, i can’t wait to see what you make next
My goodness, this is comprehensive yet with a simple explanation. Well done.
Also really easy in FL, just align it to the grid and do manual chops. Done manual chops a grip of times. Not as intuitive as with using a actual groovebox but eh is good enough. People have even recreated JDillas songs in Audacity lmao. If theres a will theres a way
You can press SHIFT and change the tune in all of them all together. I think the JJ OS also has time stretch. I would have to take my 2500 to confirm which function that was.
My dude. This was on point! Thanks for putting in the time and effort for this video.
I greatly appreciate it
THANK YOU SO MUCH!!!!! ive been struggling with getting my samples to match up, thanks to you i know what my issue was, the project tempo lol. just needed to adjust that and bam, my samples lined up. thank you so much man!!!!! i struggled for YEARS my dude, ive been crying tears of happiness to finally GET IT, bout to call my momma lol
Yes to a MPC 2500 Master Class🎉
At 4:10 The Mpc 2500 does have Timestretch in the Trim Mode doesn't it? It sounds quite bad on samples and contains weird artifacts though.
I was just about to say that there is time stretch on the 2500. It depends on the jjos you running. I know the 2xl has it
@@BlkOMNI All versions of JJOS has that feature including the stock Akai OS.
Can you make a video of this same topic using Serato Studio!
Are the new generation of MPCs able to pitch change samples in the old/simple way (that results in the sample length changing as well)?
I use that method now. Good video
Nice!
Reminds me how terrible and frustrating the stock OS on this unit was :-D These units were soooooo limited without jjos. I have doubta on the 32 slices technique though - if you check his video, some of the chops are much longer so I don’t think he blindly chopped to 32 regions…
agreed lol he’s way off
You can adjust the endpoints after chopping if you set your new program to pad parameters therefore u can have as king of a slice as u want still using that technique
Yeah, I couldn't believe the things they didn't update from the 2000XL I was used to. Having to jump through every pad to change the pitch instead of the whole program. Thankfully JJOS added so many little things like that which makes it much more comfortable to use.
always a good day when ave uploads
ty so much!!! I took a lot of time with this.. Especially dealing with some of my MPC 2500 weird issues lol
I’m short.. Alc basically played the drums chops and everything that came with it. That gives it the off-balance-ness that makes it kick. Using time stretch to fill in the “Air”.
A clever man breaking down the work of a clever man. Fantastic.
Excellent ... I nice practical breakdown for people like myself who might have been intermediated by this type of equipment.. Still in Logic for now but I definitely see the benefits and the quality of sound.
Well I appreciate you being here
The MPC 2500 + jjos software has time stretch Capabilities. I'm sure you were referring to the stock MPC 2500 though
Great video! 🫡
My MPC500 has time stretch so does the 2500. It's in trim mode. It doesn't sound very good but it's always been there.
Yo Ave, this is NICE bro!!! I love videos like this, digging deeper into classic producers/beat makers, and what makes them unique. Great job bro!🙏🏾✊🏾💚
ty so much fam
Yooo upgrade to JJOS3! It’s got time stretch. Not as user friendly, but JJ did an excellent job of getting us as close to modern with the machine.
I have jjos version 1 but don’t know how to use it 😑😩
@@AveMcree ngl i had to take a day out, but it was totally worth it! You’re prolly not missing out on anything with the new MP’s
I wanna thank you for taking the time out to explain but it doesnt help me if I do not have the perfect looped sample. How would I achieve that?
Cold video bro ! The Alchemist has always been in my top 5
Recently found your channel and its sooo nice that you know wtf you're talking about. Subbed !
I’m glad you showed this Thank You🙏
🫡my pleasure
I was jus asking today if solange quit... & look u have her vinyl wow
thanks for this, i have a mpc 1000 that ive been using as my main piece but it makes me just want a 2500!! sick video loved it
they are basically the same units. anything you can do with a 2500, you can also do with a 1000. same OS, only difference is in the nr of ins/outs and q link sliders
You can do it all on MPC 1000 that you can with 2500. Serious
The 2500 does have time stretch?!
but what if his is Modded With the JJOS ?
Salute Ave. This was a good video for people trying to understand how the sample chop game works. A good friend of mind in 1996 figured out how DJ Premier, chopped the original song for Jeru The Damaja song Ya Playin Yaself. It took him 2 days to figure it out. You know what equipment he was using to do it? The gemini sampler and Tascam 4 track. This is before I got my MPC 3000. He got that shit down perfectly how Preemo did it. Like you said, you have to have an ear for music. It took me a good while before I became nice at chopping samples. Learning that the original instrument players never played rigid. Anyway good video as always. Keep teaching brother. ✌🏾
Am I trippin, can you do the same thing is fl slicer or slice x that he did I'm ableton? Especially with a perfectly looped sample with bpm? I could do that in 10 seconds lol wtf
You’re definitely Trippin. Fruity, slicer or slice X doesn’t have shopping in increments. We did our first matter fact, it has the exact opposite. It has low, medium and high. That’s not like the MPC, or abelton live at all. The problem with image line is they weren’t musicians when they develop FL studio.
Matter fact, they were the exact opposite they were gamers. Which explains their poor musical terminology. Which has effected their user base.
You can chop in several increments on fruity slicer
@Ave Mcree sir this is incorrect, with all due respect. If you know the tempo you can slice to beat at increments of 16 and 32 , I've used that feature many times. Set the tempo, set the number of beats then click slice button and you can do to beat, 1/4 up to 1/6 of the beat... thats essentially the exact same thing.
Great great video Ave!! This is why when I find my own samples, I create perfect loops out of them!! For this very reason! Once done everything falls into place! That's why overall I think my style leans into cinematic!! It's similar to the jazzy loop the Alchemist flipped! You broke it down on different versions of gear to flip it on too!! Nice bruh!!🔥🔥🔥🔥
thank you for stopping by I really appreciate it
@@AveMcree yes sir my brother!!💯
The most prolific!
hey can you help me with MPC beats software program manipulation please, for some reason whenever i load up a program template and start recording drums , i use those templates which all tracks written in like drums, sythtube, keys and all that , now if i start by laying drums on the drums tracks , when i get to key and other track my keyboard doesn't play piano plugins or any piano sample if it's there on the template program i loaded , instead i find those piano sounds on my akai mpk mini 3 pads and not on the keyboard somehow
A more advanced technique is how ALC makes the chops sound less "choppy" if you catch my drift. He has absolutely mastered that. Like you can tell it's chopped but its subtle and almost sounds natural.
Should be easy to do this by just giving the sample a slower attack. Or side-chain comp. Though not only those things alone will make it sound natural but may help
Wait a min.. what are those tiny little sampler things sitting around your 2500? I want ALL OF THEM! lol
on FL it can absolutely be done with SliceX. I myself stick to Serato sample though
0:22 Pressing buttons, trigger samples! Does he do more? 🤔
This was one of your best videos Ave 🔥🔥🔥🙏✌️
As a MPC noob with no understanding whatsoever, here's something that has me scratching my head:
The Alchemist brought up the source sample (which you explained is 66bpm) by 6 semitiones, not pitch-shifting it but varispeeding, which would result in around 93bpm (which you confirmed when you showed the approach on the MPC2500).
Now to go to a target bpm of 87 (which you were aiming for) and the same +6 semitones in pitch, you shifted by 6 semitones, then time-stretched to 87.
This induces artifacts from pitch-shifting by 6 semitomes (a ca. 1.4 factor) and by timestretching from 66 to 87 (a ca. 1.32 factor).
The same result (bpm and pitch) could be achieved by first varispeeding by six semitones (which is a linear process, i.e. does not generate artifacts), and then timestretching by a relatively small factor of ca. 0.94.
Why did you do it the way you proceeded?
Because the modern MPCs have elastic pro time stretching. So you can do more with it.
The newer MPCs (and likely older models too) can process timestretch from bpm as well as pitch shift independent from one another… if I understand your question
Legend ! 🔥 great vid! Gave me loads of ideas! 🙏🏼 Thank you
massively appreciated thank you.
Great video Ave. Thank you 💎
Ah the MPC2500 is my go to …can’t get enough
9:59 how to do it on Ableton! 💻🗝
Great video Ave
This was cool a nice lesson.
I miss the cursor button too. They should have kept the layout of the studio black for the live.
Link to the sample pack you used in the video is gone, where can I find it?
Dam , I gotta get me an mpc .
What I would do if I had one is track on it while sending my tracking
from the daw .
I guess it's kinda backwards , but the dam daw takes too long for
everything anyway.
I know the newer mpc s can link and track via midi .
Can older ones keep sync in the daw also .
super dope video and content!!
This was a dope tutorial 🔥🔥🔥🔥
Great video Ave!!! Making me miss my 2500xl
I Love my 2500. Had it since again dropped it. 🔥 video
You can time stretch on the 2500
The alchemist gotta be one of the best producer names ever i cant come with a name as bad ass as that iv been using rorschach as my name lately but im not 100% on it a good producer name makes u stand out if someone likes the name they are more likely to check your stuff out
My MPC 2500 SE has JJOS2XL 3.8 on it. Result, Timestretch, check, Pitchshift, check....but to be fair, The Alchemist uses the 2500 in the state it came in. No clue why nit, but he will have his reasons.
Surely the 2500 has timestretch? The 2000XL did and the S2800
Great video ! But I’m an fl user and I can accomplish something almost identical using Edison and slicex both stock plug ins.
Thanks for sharing Ave, really enjoyed the 2500 sound. Can’t put my finger on it but the sonics are definitely different. Great job 🫡
Yeah AD/DA & DAC are definitely special on older units. Even if this is a 16 bit sampler.
@@AveMcree same on the 1k right ?
Mpc 2500 sounds better,definitely why alchemist still using it,i miss my mpc 2500,dope video
odd how u can time stretch w the 2000xl but not 2500
How does this type of workflow apply to their DAW using a simple drumpad controller like "MPD24" or anything similar?
How did you get the loop from the live 2, to abelton? Or vice versa.
This was fire bro please keep them coming. Can you please do a master class for all the MPC 's like the 500 to newest one in 2023😅😊❤ and the ones with JJOSXL.
what sampler?
Can time-stretch on the MPC 2500 and 1000 as well...
the 2500 sound so so nice. should have put the track in mono in Ableton for a more accurate sound.
Nothing like that AKAI though. Great video
Great Work 👌
is that feature on the 4000?
This is amazing man thank you so much for posting this.
For sure
bro i lit just got my 2500 today tryna get samples and drum kits in there from hard drive or usb can u make a vid how?
Isn’t there another way to adjust pitch and keep tempo without doing it with the process menu? So if I wanna rechange the pitch I won’t have to go thru the process menu?
im not sure if you have jjos but on my mpc 2500 if i press mode and pad 11 it will allow me to pitch all pads up and down as a group at the same time as well as other edits
Hey I have a Renaissance @avemcree is that a sample style I could do on my 2011 ren
Bruh! Legit demo video
I think Alchemist uses JJOS on his MPC 2500, which would allow him to time stretch
Nicee 🌊
Every time I see an MPC video I want one more and more haha
Top -can you do it with native instrumental mashine?
Bro where YOUR beats at? 🤯
Any advice on filming? The sound I get on the iPhone external mic is garbage. I bought a 1/8 cable to lightning to record sound directly in which is better but not by much. I was going to film and at the same time record everything into pro tools. I noticed the volume on your 2500 knob was almost at zero so I figured you were recording audio into something else. Any advice would be much appreciated. Great video.
Did you put all your chops in the same mute group before you started recording them?
Thank you sir! This was super helpful and you have a new fan. :)
I noticed that some alchemist beats don’t seem bpm locked. Like the beat on Bundy & Sincere. The tempo constantly drifts. It’s a lot harder to make samples sound good when they aren’t perfectly on the grid already like splice loops
Trust anything that’s sampled on the mpc2000xl or 2500 is bpm locked. The loop has to be chopped perfectly every time. Otherwise, it will sound like trash.
@@AveMcree I see what you’re saying. I think what he does though,is have a main loop that’s bpm locked and the intro section might be locked to a different tempo. He’s actually said in interview that he doesn’t care if the intro section is at a different tempo. I think in the case of the song I mentioned, he plays out a long stretch of the sample at a free tempo before it starts looping a section. My other point is that when you chop an old vinyl sample rather than a splice loop, the tempo fluctuates because players weren’t playing to a metronome. So even if you have a perfect bpm synced loop, drum hits and things will be off which makes it difficult to chop right. This isn’t the case with splice loops since they’re quantized pretty perfectly.
Or you could trim it,loop it to match your tempo.then just chop equally and play pads to the tempo
Crazy tutorial. Thank u 🙏
can this be done on mpc studio 2?
Madlib was one of the first producers to make albums strictly using chops, J Dilla as well and a few years later Black Milk did this on almost all of his albums. If you listen to black milks "so gone" you can really hear the chop.
Helpful as always🙌