I doubt you'll see this comment, but I was one of the engineers at danville metal who 3d printed that exact vase you were holding!!! It's really cool to see something I made on your podcast because I've been a fan of this podcast for a long time. Thank you for opening the minds of millions of people, we need more thinkers out there!
This was a super fascinating discussion. Christopher Dunn is very humble , articulate and intelligent. I love how Joe has such an ability to confirm , clarify and pull out critical details from technically complex subjects. Jamie’s observations and input add much to the experience too. Thanks for this amazing , entertaining , intriguing discussion gentlemen.
"You do ask a lot of good questions" :Genuine and high praise from a man of Mr. Dunn's caliber. Basically, grilling a man for an hour and he's not bored of your curiosity Is great conversation.
Christopher Dunn is my uncle. I have not seen him for 15 years as Texas is far away, he used to send me postcards in near perfect calligraphy print handwriting. Very honorable man.
Chris is also my father’s 2nd cousin he used to send me paper airplanes from different parts of the world perfectly engineered to have a flight duration of exactly 3.14 mins with a 3.14 degree drop off every time!
Chris is also my uncle. He took me on an archaeological dig to Teotihucan when I was a junior in high school and he speaks fluent Spanish as well. It was pretty cool we met up with some of his old military buddies in Mexico City and that’s where I drank my first tequila, Uncle Chris sure knew how to have a good time I’m glad he’s doing well
I am a quality control inspector with 14 years experience in the manufacturing field. And when he says that this material is measuring at a thou. Or a thou and a half .001/.0015 that blows my mind the accuracy of these ancient artifacts. Amazing.
you would really enjoy UnchartedX. He is Ben and was on jre with Jimmy from Bright Insight. Ben has excellent videos covering the advanced machining evidence in ancient artifacts. in a recent video Ben was there with Chris, and they have the real vase on the turn table and just watch the indicator gauges holding shockingly steady. I highly recommend Ben's content
Please bring him back again!!! I usually listen to most podcasts casts at 1.5x but didn’t realize I was listening at normal speed. More often than not I have a hard time maintaining focus when I listen at normal speed. He speaks a lot slower than many and usually it would drive me crazy but I absolutely enjoyed every moment! Similar to a really good book or movie, I’m a little sad that it’s over. I want to just sit and learn from this man I suspect there is so much he didn’t say and so many theories that should be investigated that he doesn’t want to discuss because they are unproven. I’m fed up with the portions of science that have closed the book and believe they have everything figured out. If that were the case with medicine we would still be treating humors and bleeding patients.
@@priscillab1109push the litlle radar wheel in the right top of youre screen. You will see a menu, one of the choices is the the speed in wich the video is playing. You have to tough the screen first to see the wheel.
Me also. tho I have not made as many chips, that you probably have. I run a 1942 NO. 3 warner & swasey turret lathe and a Lagun republic FT 2 vertical milling machine At my shop
Same. I was an at Egyptian exhibit recently and was blown away at the precision with which old kingdom vases were obviously machined at within .001 concentricity from the OD and ID. few people can really appreciate how difficult that is even today and especially 4000 years ago with extremely hard granite. However they did it was lost and that quality was long gone by new kingdom Egypt
As an mechanical engineer, everyone of my colleagues instantly see the points made out by Mr.Dunn as soon as you show them. Takes an engineer to see an engineer. Our ancient forefathers had some serious advanced engineering skills!
@@aphysique I work both in theory and in practice and have come to the conclusion that: In theory there is no difference between theory and practice, but in practice there is. I would love to see a small model of it though!
I think the Egyptians FOUND all the stuff they took credit for. It's the same as the Pharaohs putting their name on everything. Then the Egyptologists ASSUME that Pharaoh built it. That is the 'Assuming' they are trying to hide behind, it gives them POWER.
@@miltonturner2977 if this is true and the pyramids are older than 5000 years (which I believe), it still does not answer who, how and why they built it.
As a machinist myself hearing someone on Rogan talking about thous and tenths and hearing the words "depth per revolution" come out of rogans mouth is blowing my mind!! Love it
@@AIenSmitheeAh the indoctrinated mind 🤡 The blind will never see the anomalies, or the absurdities, of their own perspective. And those that can't challenge their own thinking, cannot credibly claim to understand the issue
The common concensus is that precise measuring tools, such as what you're using in this podcast, weren't invented until the 20th century. Cadillac was the first to produce "standardized parts". I forget the year, but they took apart 3 Cadillacs and scattered the parts about and managed to reassemble 3 working cars from the scattered parts. This was done to prove the precision of Cadillac cars. Before this, if you needed a replacement part, it had to be manufactured to fit your particular need. There were no parts stores at that time. I find it fascinating that something this old could be so precise.
These are my favorite kinda episodes. The ones where you gotta turn off all notifications and get somewhere quiet because shits about to get real in the rabbit hole.
As someone who works in aerospace mfg (metal finishing), I love that Joe has an engineer talking about one of the greatest mysteries of all time! This guy is speaking my language!
Amen to that. As a machinist evolved into an engineer I have great respect for Dunn. That man's capabilities transcend "education" and "consensus". Great to find another on the same page as I am.
@@cocacolaman7092 actually I solve manufacturing (machining) problems (mostly fix errors in computer generated g and m code, as well as optimizing production and tool life to production speed ratios) and teach other people how to do the same. Its not very glorious but I'm sure it's better than driving a delivery truck.
I had an old machinist friend who Chris reminds me of. His name was John. Old vet. Worked at a machine shop. I would go visit him every day after work. He showed me how to use a lathe, mill, precision grinder, tumbler... you name it. He was a genius as most good machinists are. We need more Mr. Dunns in this world. I miss visiting John. RIP. Thank you, Joe for having Mr Dunn on your show.
@@slyhawk57you're off your head mate, no one understands the real applications of technology in regards to reality than engineers. The great thing about Chris Dunn is that he is ground in "academic science", there is no other person you should be inclined to listen to. Especially someone who's time served for over 45 years. I'd done my mechanical engineering apprenticeship and unfortunately changed course, I wish I hadn't, but I'm telling you, I met some unbelievably skilled old boys and they are worlds away from your understanding. They are extremely intelligent people, and again, the most important thing with their trade is the applicability to function in reality.
@adamwilkinson6721 😆 I am an old boy. A proper one.... I think you may have succumbed to both over excitement and also the dunning kruger effect. I can guarantee you this buy has very little idea what he's talking about, he's making up stories based on tiny little bits of reality. It's a common trick some people use to make it sound they know what they are talking about.
@adamwilkinson6721 yes 'ok', but I'm certainly not your 'pal'... don't get above yourself. One day when you've gained some actual life experience you'll realise you've been taken for a fool. I totally agree that engineers understand a huge amount within their field, but the fact you think this guy is an 'engineer' because he's used a lathe or two is quite frankly hilarious. You have a lot to learn young man 😅
No one else could make me interested in listening to two guys talking about drill effectiveness except for Joe. Bravo. That’s the beauty of this podcast.
Chris hired me at my job 27yrs ago and it was a pleasure working with him. I remember when they filmed an episode of Ancient Aliens in our shop years ago. I told the guys in the shop a year ago that I had a feeling Chris was going to be on the JRE……Nice work Chris 🍻
I felt the same way lol Joe trying to understand thousandths and tenths was funny lol it was neat seeing how metrology was used in the inspection of artifacts
@LesterBrunt Imagine valuing money over knowledge. Knowledge is power. Even PBD said it and he said he'd rather have knowledge over huge amounts of money because you can become rich with vast amounts of knowledge.
@LesterBrunt there's a lot more to a trip to Egypt than that. I have friends in Egypt I would love to visit, and the Nile cruise, hotels and cuisine, concerts, and yet staring at rocks with Ben. I'm not sure how you value your money, but I would see it as money well spent. God bless
Its so nice to see Mr. Dunn looking so healthy. Whether or not you like any of his research, he is a pillar for modern independent or amateur researchers of Ancient Mysteries. His latest collaborations with other engineers that have some very impressive resumes are exciting.
Chris Dunn is a legend! Great guest! He’s on Mt. Rushmore w/ Randall, Graham & John Anthony West. Also his voice reminds me of Albert Finney in Big Fish
Fascinating and a totally engrossing conversation and exploration with Mr Dunn and Joe who when he interviews and is interested really shines with his genuine focus.
... confirmation biased people you mean ... because ... no ... all cores dont show a spiral .. majority .. just DONT ... they are UN INTERESTINGLY matching what the fuckin copper pipe and sand do. And few anomalies dont prove shait.
I live in Scotland, Aberdeen , the Granite city , I'm a monumental stone mason ,a journeyman. When the people I've had the pleasure of working with over the years and I see those core drills and the way they have been produced it blows our minds that those exist from that time period. These are produced everyday in the factories and workshops now with technologies that have only been available for 150 years I think. The lines/spirals on the sides of the cores would vary depending on the type of granite, how fast the drill spins ,importantly the pressure being applied and the amount of water at the point of cutting, these are all variables you learn over years of experience. Sometimes these variables are altered mid cut/drill as the density of the stone can be different as you go through it. The harder the granite usually we would drill at slower rpm and it would cut more efficiently . Same applies to sawing as the saw blades are tipped with the same material as the core drills . Even the amount of water being pumped into the cut makes a difference to the penetration depth each pass of the blade. The 'sanded' finish Mr Dunn speaks about is a pre-polished state masons work stone down to with hand tools before we send it to the polishers, its called a 'honed finish' ,this is the final stage before polishing , when the stone is of a drilled or a sawn finish its already at the same 'sanded/honed' finish as it comes off the machine used. The blade/drill does the work there. I've seen Mr Dunn's pictures of how precise the polished stone was with the engineer's square. I'm amazed how precisely flat it appears. I've witnessed massive automated polishing machines for many years, and I know what he's talking about, as those machines struggle to hit that precision every time. The one piece boxes (even the lips on lids that are air tight are a marvel) and preciseness shown in the ancient Egyptian masonry doesn't make sense .I've personally fabricated granite sarcophagi, for efficiency ,time and cost reasons its far better to make it from multiple pieces . If cut correctly from the same slab its easy to match the grains up, construct a box, base, lid and disguise it as one piece .Very little attention is directed to the inside of the box as its only ever going to be seen once . When I first looked at pictures of those boxes I had to take a second look when I was told it was all one piece and the inside had been carved out. Thats exactly the type of work I do and what was achieved is a marvel to consider the work that went into that. As for those vases, without blowing my own trumpet I'm good at my craft and know that any mason, polisher, granite worker or anyone in between worth his salt will honestly struggle to give a definitive answer how those were produced . The variables of granite, how brittle it is when you get down to those thicknesses , the pressures that need to be applied during working it down and during the polishing process without breakage doesn't makes sense . Then to have such precise symmetry is amazing. The vase that allows light shown through it by a torch (not sure if that was shown here but its easy to find) defies any argument that I can think of that primitive techniques were used at any point. Granite would be the last material I would I'd suggest making those vases from, it would just be an absolute pain in the arse and no matter how good you are , granite being granite, the amount of times fabricating them and at some point it just shatters must have been a nightmare. Marble would be easier but still a pain nonetheless . I have lot of friends still in the trade and we all tend to agree its a pretty sad look when we see people doing their hardest to knock the opinions of Mr Dunn or dr Robert Schock, Graham Hancock, Randall Carlson, Ben Van Kerwyk, John Anthony West, Robert Bauval. Usually 'acclaimed' academics worryingly desperate to throw shade on common sense for some reason. These guys are right to ask these questions of how these things came to be (minus the ridicule from the so called 'experts') and they seem to be on the right track according to everyone I know that works with stone . As a Qualified Stonemason I always wonder how these gifts from the past were made and through experience, years of cuts and blistered hands, learning tricks of the trade, the mainstream explanations don't hold up in real world scenarios. Great podcast, love this type of subject and great guest, Mr Dunn seems like a proper gent. I'd love to go visit the pyramids in person and the many other places of interest that still hold mystery after all this time, what an awesome job that would be, it would never be boring I bet
Love joe going back to the roots of the podcast, personally i was getting a bit tired of the uptic in politics and social issues, so these recent weeks of episodes has had me delighted!
Can't relate. I enjoy a comedy break away from the constant high brow conversations. But that's the beauty of JRE, there's something for everybody to listen to and you don't have any obligations to watch them all. Great show.
my dad runs a cnc machine shop... for 30 years plus... growing up I thought it was the most dreadful place... Mr. Dunn has given me a spark of interest.
00:04 Christopher Dunn's background and introduction to theories about the Great Pyramid 02:42 Ancient Egyptian tool technology and reverse engineering 08:21 Ancient drills in Egypt had 500 times greater penetration rate than modern Diamond drills 11:22 The debate about the construction of the pyramid and the symmetry of the faces 16:27 Ancient drilling methods were more effective than modern methods. 18:46 Experimenting with creating a core using copper tube and corundum grit. 22:56 Drilling techniques and construction timeframe of the Great Pyramid 24:58 Granite diorite is perfectly symmetrical 28:56 Discussion about measuring run out on a straight diameter 31:19 Differing views on ancient artifact examination 35:44 Challenging Western institutions in rewriting history of Egypt 38:28 Exploring ancient technologies and hands-on learning 42:54 The iron plate is contemporary with the building of the pyramid, possibly goldplated. 45:08 Importance of precision in manufacturing 49:48 Precision of ancient sculptures and faces carved by hand 52:16 The precision and symmetry in ancient statues are mind-blowing. 57:15 Electron Harvesting in Power Generation 59:19 The Great Pyramid's polished surface could reflect a lot of light. 1:03:55 The pyramid's mysterious voids revealed through scanning 1:06:28 Exploring the theory of wave guides inside the Great Pyramid 1:11:15 Limestone acts as a filter and determines water flow rate 1:13:45 German engineer Rudolph Ganton Brink explored and ventilated pyramid shafts using robots. 1:18:46 Different functionalities of King's chamber shaft and Queen's chamber shaft 1:20:49 Discussion about the newly discovered chamber above the grand gallery 1:25:43 Speculation on a device in the Subterranean chamber of the Pyramid of the Earth 1:28:19 Vibrating the pyramid to connect with the Earth 1:33:18 Releasing stresses in Earth's crust to reduce earthquake possibility 1:35:46 Chambers collecting microwave energy for power output 1:40:39 Modern Wave guides were found to have similarities with the design of the shaft. 1:43:19 The wall block thickness may be a little less than 13 ft thick. 1:48:08 Questioning the usage of collected microwave energy in ancient structures. 1:50:22 Discussion on the function of a gold cap in connection with electricity and Tesla's technology 1:55:20 Challenging the tomb theory and examining the Pyramid as a sophisticated machine 1:57:41 Discussion on restoring the Great Pyramid and potential consequences. 2:02:28 Exploring the acoustic modeling of the interior of the Great Pyramid. 2:04:53 Advanced technology appearing as magic 2:08:59 The precise frequency in the king's chamber of the Great Pyramid 2:11:38 Discussion on using a laser to play a guitar and frequencies below human hearing 2:16:28 Marfa lights in Texas are famous for their mysterious and unique display 2:18:24 Mysterious lights in Pisano pass linked to release of positive charge carriers from lithosphere. 2:23:08 Lead pollution in Greenland ice shows historical European emissions 2:25:06 The possibility of a highly advanced civilization before the Ice Age 2:29:44 Importance of 3D data over 2D photographs for geometric accuracy 2:32:21 Challenging the quality of evidence in the investigation 2:36:56 Debate on pre-agriculture society and potential alternative food sources 2:38:52 Thanking Christopher Dunn for his dedication Putting in the work for you guys has been a pleasure. Like, subscribe or buy me a coffee to show your love❤ buymeacoffee.com/gmdavid
I am amazed at how how in contrast to Dibble, its so easy for Dunn to say “well, that’s interesting. I’ll look into this…” it’s such a different vibe. So much more open. It’s logic and critical thinking used in a more appropriate way to serve knowledge, and so authentically curious.
It's the easiest deflection. "I'll look into this" then the point is done and he never does. People like Dibble meanwhile get rather annoyed when you misrepresent their field of expertise to their face.
@@Alexander_Kale "Field of Expertise" He's not a physical scientist. He's a glorified social studies Indiana Jones LARPer, so is Graham. Dunn isn't, he's a real engineer. Get another Engineer to counter, not Diddle.
@@TheVaged As far as I can tell, Dibble has a Ph. D. in Classical archaeology. He has multiple publications to his name and he is doing actual archeology. So yes. Field of expertise. I dont give a damn whether you like his hat, the man knows what he is talking about. So how about you drop the petty insults? Meanwhile, for an engineer, Dunn has dodged an awful lot of questions in this interview and brought very little actual data. Whenever Joe tried to nail him into giving him precise measurements, or asked for points of contention between DUnn and archaeologists, Dunn dodged. E:g., when the 3d printed vase was brought up? Not only would measuring the print be pointless, because most printers are not very precise, at no point whatsoever did Dunn say that these tolerances were in any way out of the ordinary for vases, or if so, by how far. A very easy way of showing this supposed superiority for example would have been to list a couple of contemporary vases with vastly larger tolerances. For some reason he did not do that. When Dunn was asked what the contemporary opinion is on how these precise tolerances were achieved, he dodged. He mentioned how others were mean to him, pointing to less precise vases as a counteragrgument, but he himself in no way shape or form said how widespread his high precision vases were. How am I to know Dunn isn't the one cherry picking here, taking the one vase from the batch that had higher precision by accident? Then there was the thing with the visual fotography of th face he showed. He effectively admitted that he had no idea how precise thos proportions actually were, but claimed them to be special anyway.
Dibble is an actual subject matter expert, so he's not likely to find any given spurious argument "interesting". He's just going to feel annoyed that something illogical is being passed off as plausible.
Joe jumped on him from the beginning took him to the ground like an MMA fighter and never let him up. Like my dad would say he pumped him for all his dope.
Joe jumped on him from the beginning took him to the ground like an MMA fighter and never let him up. Like my dad would say he pumped him for all his dope.
Why not though? People who claim to be intelligent enough to understand things but closed minded and unable to process new data are degenerates of our time.
Joe is getting better and better at asking the best questions. Not that he's ever been bad, but the direct nature of his question asking to his guests is drastically improving and makes it easier to follow along. Cuze when you're watching, you can get blown off your feet with all this info, and the right questions help see the other side and flesh out the topic completely. Go Joe!
Finally, I’ve been waiting to see Chris Dunn here for yeeeeaars!! It’s so nice to hear someone who actually knows what he’s talking about, and Chris is one! This should have been at least the podcast #4 with him, not #1! He’s work is absolutely brilliant and founded with knowledge and changes everything: in my estimate he’s the most underrated author about the Pyramids and he’s THE Most important and the most humble one, one in contrast: absolute genius! His work will be appreciated in 50+ years when he’ll be long gone, unfortunately… Chris, please go do some steam cell treatments so you can live another 50 years to see that, thank you!!!
He has absolutely no idea what he's talking about. He's a complete fantasist... even calling himself an engineer is hilarious. So much he says is absolutely verifiable rubbish 😂
I just saw Chris a few days ago, him and his wife came in to grab lunch where I work. Outstanding gentleman. Always a pleasure to have a quick chat with them.
I’ve been waiting for this podcast for years, thanks so much for having Mr Dunn on Joe. I’ve been obsessed with his work and loved reading his books. I really hope it gains more traction and they complete his work one day. Makes the most sense to me
we really need people like Christopher Dunn. When talking about Egypt, Flint's arguments felt weak, but yet his attitude was like "believe the experts or be labeled stupid".
He didn’t do that at all. He presented evidence and data. If evidence and data is not useful and you’d prefer to just listen to some cool stories, seriously, that’s fine. But please don’t pretend you care about science.
If you listen to the counter arguments it's apparent, they think these are facts, even the official narrative is just a theory as well not based on first sources, but what historians wrote about ancient Egypt thousands of years later. There was a catastrophe with the Younger Drias, because 150 huge mammal races disappeared quite suddenly. There were Elephants in America and Mammuths. Official cause of distinction is, they were all killed by humans. The few million worldwide that existed during that time. There are too many very unscientific explanations regarding our past.
As a Machinist I had a thought. When he was explaining a divot carved out of the wall of one of the shafts and they weren't sure the purpose. I thought of a possible purpose. So when you have a metal hole and you try and put a perfect sized metal dowel in that hole it will be pushed out from the pressure. However If you machine a small pressure relief hole on the O.D. (outside diameter) of the shaft it makes it possible to put a perfectly fitting dowel in that hole. Maybe it's some sort of pressure relief for a some sort of piston like structure.
One problem with finding machines, or tools, made out of metal from thousands of years ago is that it's not missing, or buried, or undiscovered, it was found by people...melted down, and recycled into something else. Metal is pretty hard to get and make out of the ground, and this process of recycling is still done today. Walk past a building being torn down and there's a pile of iron or steel reinforcement rods aside from a pile of concrete because it's valuable and easily recycled off to become..whatever. Think of all the armies that have ever existed ever using metal weapons, archeologists find one today from Rome it's because it's underwater, or hidden in a cave, but other than that you'd think they'd be everywhere, no, they were recycled over and over and over. Even the casing stones in the great pyramid were recycled to build Cairo.
I wish your comment was pinned Octaviousrex1080. It's ashamed that ancient tools get recycled over time. For example, the thieves who stole the original FIFA World Cup trophy likely got melted.
And the other point is depending on the antiquity and remembering what Randall Carlsson imparted about how long metal lasts in the open environment maybe some just blows away on the wind
As a blacksmith for 15 years I agree.I smelted steel from iron sands and ore and I've forged metorie.I don't think it's a stretch to think iron and steel could have been produced then.Egyptians had the bellows to reach iron smelting temps.Also you don't just start forging that iron dagger in tuts tomb,it took someone or culture with a history of forging iron.Foring metorite,depending on the impurities,can be extremely difficult and requires skill.
I don’t think it is that hard to get metal is abundant imagine before it was mined for everything that we use now how much metal must of been in the ground just waiting for a quake to shake loose.
I read Mr Dunn's book over 15 years ago and it was very convincing as well as being a well-structured read through which I got in little time. These structures all over the globe are just incredible...
Joe, this was brilliant. You provide an environment where free thinking rebels can explain their theories - this is just so important for nourishing new ideas, theories and science. If people like Christopher did not have your show, he would be cut down and cancelled by the self appointed experts. You are doing society an incredible good by allowing people like Christopher to address the broader community. Thankyou, and keep up the good work.
As a Journeyman conventional machinist with 20+ years experience, this episode makes me so happy to listen to Chris describe the trade I love with my whole heart
I've been using manual lathes for years at home, but I got a job 2 years ago running Swiss lathes. After learning that job, I began to understand just how difficult it would be to make those vases everyone says are "handmade". We could easily make one using a 5 axis mill with a separate op to finish the base. I don't even know how you'd make one on a regular lathe without some complicated workholding and multiple ops where the piece has to be removed from the chuck and flipped around. You'd need a separate driven tool to mill in between the lug handles and some way to control your rotational axis. And this would all be out of metal. I have no clue how you'd do it out of granite.
I was IMMEDIATELY begging for Joe to bring Mr. Dunn on post-Dibble. Because once he insisted on the copper tooling and water/sand...I was a bit shocked that a man insisted "We KNOW they used copper and sand with water"....lol...wuuuuut...go try to drill a slab of like...Fuggin...ANYTHING harder than the COPPER with those things and then let me know how that goes pal...
As someone who sold drill bits the guest is 💯. So glad he pointed out the finish in the cores needing a closer look. I lean towards one bit for that finish. Either way. 🌎
A proper engineer from Northern England..."you do ask some awkward questions....",in that Lancastrian/American accent made me laugh out loud! Wonderful man, great interview.
JOE a massive fan very off subject but my Australia government and my freedom to talk can cause me trouble I know you probably won't have any time to read but hope is all I have and I'll use it,thanks for all the truth and help to the young men that are very lost atm
I just LOVE how Mr Joe regularly uses 'manners' , thank you Jamie, could you show that please. so many people forget how important basic respect can be.
You're a machinist!? Great! My wife is looking to make her dildys a million times stronger. We want a join toy I can stick up my rectum. Is that something you can help us with? We tried taping 100 electric toothbrushes together and it didn't work.
Trouble is, the core sample he is referring to around the eight minute mark is not at all as he describes it, he is implying the signature of the cutting tool tracks around the core he is discussing uniformly, with uniform rate of penetration, spiralling down. [I have worked in engineering also, am a skilled, professional craftsman who has worked a broad range of materials - so him not seeing the obvious flaw in what he is saying here is not a good sign at all]. If you look at photographs of the core he is describing (that have not been overlaid with simplified graphics asserting this presumption) you can see very clearly that the grooves around it are not uniform and do not progress at a fixed rate like a machine drill, the grooves wander around, they do not spiral down, they wander in the space of one cycle. Anyone who understands how a machine drill functions knows that means this is not the signature of a machine drill. All these things evidence hand worked abrasive core drills and, though I wish it were not the case, I can see he is choosing his words very carefully here and I think it's because he knows that he is portraying an image which completely contradicts the evidence and indeed paints a false picture of the artefact he is describing - because he needs to maintain that to maintain his position. This is the trouble with Lost Ancient High Tech advocates, and I'm the last person to bow before academia, but, there is a LOT of VERY conscious, cautious cherry picking in this LAHT culture... it has very cult like qualities and I think this fella is demonstrating that right here.
@@JesseP.Watson he was allowed to take molds of the core, and he also had a skeptic with him who wrapped the core with a thread. It's a continuous spiral groove
@@superstitiouspre-literatep9730 It really isn't a continuous spiral groove, they did not follow the groove at all, they corrected the deviations with the thread, I've seen photos of that, they are very clearly attempting to mask those characteristics that do not support their narrative. SGDSacredgeometrydecoded has a video debunking it, not a difficult debunk, just need to look closely at the photos these guys promote as evidence because most of the time what they show as evidence of LAHT actually disproves what they say if you look closely. SGD has actually done the experiments they won't do with copper core drills, using abrasive paste, working granite, he's got precisely the results seen in the artefacts, plain as day. These guys are selling their tours, a brand, the Atlantis brand, not genuine enquiry - Bright Insights actually threatened to sue SGD for his debunking him, that's what goes on behind the scenes in this club, I'm very much into challenging orthodoxy but these guys are charlatans, plain and simple.
@@superstitiouspre-literatep9730 No it isn't, plain and simple. Don't listen to what they say, don't look at their graphic overlays, look at the ARTEFACT, the inconsistencies are plain to see. I have seen a picture of that thread you mention wound around that core and they used it to correct the deviations of the grooving, very clearly. Look closely, it's plain as day.
Christopher Dunn is amazing. I worked in a tool and die shop, and I worked for Smith and Wesson also a lot of engineers like Christopher Dunn. I am in such awe of really good engineers,I wish I could have been that good. I was always so Jealous😂😂😂😂😂. Thank you.
Christopher Dunn is the uncle for everyone. Full of real experience, knowledge, thought and expertise. A man who understands materials & machines and asks the questions pure academics refuse to confront as the answers are incompatible with their careers, ideas and credibility.
One thing that gets overlooked quite a bit, is that these vases are fairly abundant and vases are everyday items, water or wine carriers. Containers, essentially. Imagine a civilisation that was so refined and able that they would make containers with insane precision easily and en masse
@user-vn3ut5tm6n why are you not typing like a human being instead some jive turkey or actually formulating a real compelling to talk? Go back to the peanut gallery, bud
Having spent time building and rebuilding American V-Twins, I understand the importance of tolerances on machined parts and how tight they must be… I’ll say this, NO car, motorcycle, or vehicle on any type built by anyone has tolerances as tight as what those vases possess. PERIOD.
It's not as if tighter tolerances aren't possible Metals can be perfectly friction fit today Those engines don't have extreme tolerances bc they would seize if the tolerances were too tight
@@lhh6627 You'll have to ask the OP what engine tolerances have to do with stone vases. But my presumption from the context is that he's essentially claiming that such tolerances are not possible, or at least very difficult to produce today. Of course, that is not the case, and much tighter tolerances are possible today.in any case, it's a misleading comparison, which is my point. The idea that humans can not hand work materials to precision is nonsense. Dunn makes similar misleading comparisons while ignoring examples of precision hand work in other areas. The best fit firearms are all hand fit. The best cut gemstones with highly complex and accurate geometries are hand cut... Human skill alone can produce high accuracy and tight tolerances.
If you are talking about the 3d print, keep in mind, that thing has the tolerances of the 3d printer, not the one of the actual vase. by printing it, you introduced an error into the equation, or alternatively removed one from it. On the other hand, ask yourself this: why in blue blazes would they do something on pottery that we ourselves do not do on precision machinery? Why would they bother? Why wouldl anyone design a machine that makes pottery this precise?
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I doubt you'll see this comment, but I was one of the engineers at danville metal who 3d printed that exact vase you were holding!!! It's really cool to see something I made on your podcast because I've been a fan of this podcast for a long time. Thank you for opening the minds of millions of people, we need more thinkers out there!
Congrats bro
That's cool as fuck bro
I saw your comment and I appreciate the precise craftsmanship.
What ? Its pronted?!?@@keithaustin5919
You make no sense, they didn’t have a plastic vase they had a rose granite vase from pre dynastic Egypt on loan from a collector.
Who else loves episodes like this that delves down the rabbit hole.
This is the reason we watch
DEFFO MORE PLZ !
Totally! This was gold
I was loving it...
Esp this guy as he SEEMS more on the level than the
moon hoax guy and Gram.
Joe needs a quick microwave course though. He was lost in the explanation.
“Jaime can u pull up Flint Dibbles sleeves?” That was the best comment ever! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Whoever wrote that deserves some sort of award, 😅
Long live comments about dibble i cant get enough of them 😂
Flint Dibble is a Harry Potter character with a secret master that tells him what to do
Lol dude this was as good as the original comment
Oh shit, that's perfect
This was a super fascinating discussion. Christopher Dunn is very humble , articulate and intelligent. I love how Joe has such an ability to confirm , clarify and pull out critical details from technically complex subjects. Jamie’s observations and input add much to the experience too. Thanks for this amazing , entertaining , intriguing discussion gentlemen.
Joe is so good at changing gears with an older guest like this. Making super digestible for us all. What a great, intriguing episode!
Well said
Episodes like this are so nostalgic for early JRE watchers.
The olden days. The rabbit holes..
The intro alone.
Olive Garden
@@Medusas_Barberyou win a yellow tractor 🚜 in optional colour, and a special needs medal🏅
I guess that means he’s someone interesting
33 missed calls from Flint Dibbles😂
Lmao
Flint sleeps in that hat
@@dungeonquesting8075lmfao
Joe needs him back on! 😂
😂😂😭
"You do ask a lot of good questions" :Genuine and high praise from a man of Mr. Dunn's caliber.
Basically, grilling a man for an hour and he's not bored of your curiosity Is great conversation.
well said, i did laugh when he told Joe he asks a lot of awkward questions though!
Dunn is a great mind and a wonderful man. Opposite of Flint Diddle the obnoxious woke Hobbit.
We clearly did not watch the same podcast...
@@mementomori4972
Awkward
This is some EXTREMELY classic JRE shit, and I’m here for it.
Spot on!
Where?
When ?
Rogan keep having frauds on his show.
We need important people on instead of all these influencers
Christopher Dunn is my uncle. I have not seen him for 15 years as Texas is far away, he used to send me postcards in near perfect calligraphy print handwriting. Very honorable man.
Chris is also my uncle. He sends me birthday presents wrapped with the utmost precision. Each piece of tape measures exactly 1.125" in length.
Chris is also my father’s 2nd cousin he used to send me paper airplanes from different parts of the world perfectly engineered to have a flight duration of exactly 3.14 mins with a 3.14 degree drop off every time!
Chris is also my uncle. He took me on an archaeological dig to Teotihucan when I was a junior in high school and he speaks fluent Spanish as well. It was pretty cool we met up with some of his old military buddies in Mexico City and that’s where I drank my first tequila, Uncle Chris sure knew how to have a good time I’m glad he’s doing well
Chris is my mother. He's always there for me. Honestly couldn't ask for a better father to my children.
Chris is my Uncle 9th removed and I love getting his fathers days postcards
I am a quality control inspector with 14 years experience in the manufacturing field. And when he says that this material is measuring at a thou. Or a thou and a half .001/.0015 that blows my mind the accuracy of these ancient artifacts. Amazing.
you would really enjoy UnchartedX. He is Ben and was on jre with Jimmy from Bright Insight. Ben has excellent videos covering the advanced machining evidence in ancient artifacts. in a recent video Ben was there with Chris, and they have the real vase on the turn table and just watch the indicator gauges holding shockingly steady.
I highly recommend Ben's content
Same here. I'm a manufacturing engineer and understand how hard it is to achieve those dimensions and tolerances
@@cebukid70how do you think they have done it?
Can we do this today?
how do you think they have done it?
Can we do this today?
@josteincarlsen2905 yes we can do it today... and the only way they could have done it is with a computer, and a machine.
Please bring him back again!!!
I usually listen to most podcasts casts at 1.5x but didn’t realize I was listening at normal speed. More often than not I have a hard time maintaining focus when I listen at normal speed. He speaks a lot slower than many and usually it would drive me crazy but I absolutely enjoyed every moment! Similar to a really good book or movie, I’m a little sad that it’s over. I want to just sit and learn from this man I suspect there is so much he didn’t say and so many theories that should be investigated that he doesn’t want to discuss because they are unproven.
I’m fed up with the portions of science that have closed the book and believe they have everything figured out. If that were the case with medicine we would still be treating humors and bleeding patients.
How can I hear at 1.5x???
@@priscillab1109lord have mercy pracilla figure it out sweetheart
@@priscillab1109click on the top right corner, playback speed.
@@priscillab1109push the litlle radar wheel in the right top of youre screen. You will see a menu, one of the choices is the the speed in wich the video is playing. You have to tough the screen first to see the wheel.
@@priscillab1109 there's a setting when you click on the cog in the bottom right, it's called playback speed
As a machinist myself for 25 years i really appreciate this episode. Thanks Joe.
Machinist of 12 years and can’t agree more! Hearing someone one JRE say “two thou” is just awesome!
Me also. tho I have not made as many chips, that you probably have. I run a 1942 NO. 3 warner & swasey turret lathe and a Lagun republic FT 2 vertical milling machine At my shop
@@chrisk7812 I love how he just keeps using the lingo without ever explaining that a “thou” is .001”
Same. I was an at Egyptian exhibit recently and was blown away at the precision with which old kingdom vases were obviously machined at within .001 concentricity from the OD and ID. few people can really appreciate how difficult that is even today and especially 4000 years ago with extremely hard granite. However they did it was lost and that quality was long gone by new kingdom Egypt
So good, I’m just heard Brazing on JRE!
As an mechanical engineer, everyone of my colleagues instantly see the points made out by Mr.Dunn as soon as you show them.
Takes an engineer to see an engineer. Our ancient forefathers had some serious advanced engineering skills!
If so, why is there no evidence left behind of the machines that built the pyramids.
In theory, this would work wouldn't it?
@@aphysique I work both in theory and in practice and have come to the conclusion that:
In theory there is no difference between theory and practice, but in practice there is.
I would love to see a small model of it though!
I think the Egyptians FOUND all the stuff they took credit for. It's the same as the Pharaohs putting their name on everything. Then the Egyptologists ASSUME that Pharaoh built it. That is the 'Assuming' they are trying to hide behind, it gives them POWER.
@@miltonturner2977 if this is true and the pyramids are older than 5000 years (which I believe), it still does not answer who, how and why they built it.
As a machinist myself hearing someone on Rogan talking about thous and tenths and hearing the words "depth per revolution" come out of rogans mouth is blowing my mind!! Love it
He said he mistakenly referred to .0001 as a tenth but anyone in machining knows it was no mistake
Really? Even if it’s all garbage? Don’t have to be a machinist to see the drill core stuff is pretty dumb.
@@AIenSmithee Just happy to hear about the trade i love being talked about
@@AIenSmitheeAh the indoctrinated mind 🤡
The blind will never see the anomalies, or the absurdities, of their own perspective. And those that can't challenge their own thinking, cannot credibly claim to understand the issue
@@martinsanders5418 have you watched any Scientists Against Myths videos?
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The common concensus is that precise measuring tools, such as what you're using in this podcast, weren't invented until the 20th century. Cadillac was the first to produce "standardized parts". I forget the year, but they took apart 3 Cadillacs and scattered the parts about and managed to reassemble 3 working cars from the scattered parts. This was done to prove the precision of Cadillac cars. Before this, if you needed a replacement part, it had to be manufactured to fit your particular need. There were no parts stores at that time.
I find it fascinating that something this old could be so precise.
Shit Jonny Cash figured that out in 49,50,51,52,53,54,55,56,57,58,59 automobile 60,61 62,63,64,65,66,67,68 automobile. 😂😂😂
Dibble snapped a pencil at the beginning of this podcast and got on his horse for Austin
He only writes with feathers tho
Diddlr is laughing obnoxiously all the way to his Hobbit hole.
With those baby hands he ain't snapping shit 😂
Had to go back.. he forgot his fedora
You mean pony
“Can I go take a good nap then?” only guest that ever said that 😂😂
Time stamp?
That was the best!
You could tell it was a bit much for him mentally.
@@thomaskoukouris4070 it's In the last minute
@@thomaskoukouris4070 2:39:09
Well, he is an older gentleman 😂😂 Hilarious comment nonetheless.
These are my favorite kinda episodes. The ones where you gotta turn off all notifications and get somewhere quiet because shits about to get real in the rabbit hole.
yeah, it takes you out of the mundane rat race. We call capitalism.
Absolutely, pure escapism. You want to give these episodes 100% of your time
@jasonolinger7585
I love it!!
As someone who works in aerospace mfg (metal finishing), I love that Joe has an engineer talking about one of the greatest mysteries of all time! This guy is speaking my language!
Amen to that. As a machinist evolved into an engineer I have great respect for Dunn. That man's capabilities transcend "education" and "consensus".
Great to find another on the same page as I am.
@@Maputi_na_Kalabaw you repair cars kevin
@@cocacolaman7092lol only my own when I was young and broke.
@@cocacolaman7092 actually I solve manufacturing (machining) problems (mostly fix errors in computer generated g and m code, as well as optimizing production and tool life to production speed ratios) and teach other people how to do the same. Its not very glorious but I'm sure it's better than driving a delivery truck.
Well done brother @@Maputi_na_Kalabaw
I had an old machinist friend who Chris reminds me of. His name was John. Old vet. Worked at a machine shop. I would go visit him every day after work. He showed me how to use a lathe, mill, precision grinder, tumbler... you name it. He was a genius as most good machinists are. We need more Mr. Dunns in this world. I miss visiting John. RIP. Thank you, Joe for having Mr Dunn on your show.
I'm jealous. I need a chris.
I love working on those giant old Bridgeport milling machines. They don’t make tools like that anymore.
This guy has absolutely no clue what he's talking about
Christian Bale?
You are John now.
Flint Dibble fuming in his race car bed rn
😂😂
🤣🤣🤣💚 FUCK YES
😂
Vroom 😢
That his dad made for him
People who work with their hands on the show is refreshing
You should check out Daniel Tosh's new podcast. It's him interviewing regular people
Christopher Dunn is a computer programmer XD
@@GrowingDownUnder his background is a machinist
Rogan is back in high school shop class. We need more old-timers talking about things.
What talking out of their asses? 😂 the guy is an absolute fantasist. Has absolutely no clue what he's talking about
@@slyhawk57you're off your head mate, no one understands the real applications of technology in regards to reality than engineers. The great thing about Chris Dunn is that he is ground in "academic science", there is no other person you should be inclined to listen to. Especially someone who's time served for over 45 years.
I'd done my mechanical engineering apprenticeship and unfortunately changed course, I wish I hadn't, but I'm telling you, I met some unbelievably skilled old boys and they are worlds away from your understanding. They are extremely intelligent people, and again, the most important thing with their trade is the applicability to function in reality.
@adamwilkinson6721 😆 I am an old boy. A proper one.... I think you may have succumbed to both over excitement and also the dunning kruger effect. I can guarantee you this buy has very little idea what he's talking about, he's making up stories based on tiny little bits of reality. It's a common trick some people use to make it sound they know what they are talking about.
@@slyhawk57 yeah okay pal
@adamwilkinson6721 yes 'ok', but I'm certainly not your 'pal'... don't get above yourself. One day when you've gained some actual life experience you'll realise you've been taken for a fool. I totally agree that engineers understand a huge amount within their field, but the fact you think this guy is an 'engineer' because he's used a lathe or two is quite frankly hilarious. You have a lot to learn young man 😅
Thank you so much for having this man on,Christopher Dunn is a very,very,dedicated and inquisitive man!
No one else could make me interested in listening to two guys talking about drill effectiveness except for Joe. Bravo. That’s the beauty of this podcast.
Chris hired me at my job 27yrs ago and it was a pleasure working with him. I remember when they filmed an episode of Ancient Aliens in our shop years ago. I told the guys in the shop a year ago that I had a feeling Chris was going to be on the JRE……Nice work Chris 🍻
That's cool! 👍
This 100% didn't happen...
@@PaulWall51991 lol okay whatever.
@@mikefunk1423 y u capping bro? No need to lie on the internet
@@PaulWall51991redbar is watching you fool!
Please have this guy on again!
I’m a machinist and this is the first time I’ve ever felt represented in any kind of media or entertainment
I felt the same way lol Joe trying to understand thousandths and tenths was funny lol it was neat seeing how metrology was used in the inspection of artifacts
@BeggarAfterKnowledge he couldn't even pronounce ferrous lol
Too bad you got this grifter.
I spent my professional life in automotive engineering and I always held all you tool and die people in the highest regard.
@LooksLike-om4df grifter is short term following trends right? Dudes book from 1984 still saying same thing??
Joe is a master interviewer. Such a wonderful conversation.
Ben Van Kerkwyks whole fascination with ancient civilizations started with this guy. No UnchartedX maybe if not for Mr. Dunn. Awesome!
Exactly!👍
Ben's the best, I was subbed to his old YT channel pukajay productions before he made UnchartedX.
Can't wait to go on a tour with him some time!
@@superstitiouspre-literatep9730 You are going to waste 8 grand to go to Egypt and have ben point at rocks while saying “I literally can’t even…”
@LesterBrunt
Imagine valuing money over knowledge. Knowledge is power. Even PBD said it and he said he'd rather have knowledge over huge amounts of money because you can become rich with vast amounts of knowledge.
@LesterBrunt there's a lot more to a trip to Egypt than that. I have friends in Egypt I would love to visit, and the Nile cruise, hotels and cuisine, concerts, and yet staring at rocks with Ben.
I'm not sure how you value your money, but I would see it as money well spent.
God bless
its nice to hear a guest actually say "please" to Jamie, I feel like he gets barked at a lot
He certainly does. Hurts my feelings
Its so nice to see Mr. Dunn looking so healthy. Whether or not you like any of his research, he is a pillar for modern independent or amateur researchers of Ancient Mysteries. His latest collaborations with other engineers that have some very impressive resumes are exciting.
The joke at the end solidified this dude as a legendary guest. What a pleasant experience
Top rated comment.
If Flint Diddlr was on with Dunn maybe he would behave like less of an obnoxious hobbit
Until you see that he did infact " screw up " his investigations of drill core 7
@@MagnusGalactusOGI doubt it. Flints reasoning was more cult than academic. That's not going to change
@@Rays_Bad_Decisions He had facts. Graham had conjecture and hurt feelings.
I wish this guy was my grandpa and that I had 1000 hours to listen to him talk! So much more pleasant than some.
Ghey
Mr. Dunn should be a weekly guest. He has so much knowledge to share.
Chris Dunn is a legend! Great guest! He’s on Mt. Rushmore w/ Randall, Graham & John Anthony West. Also his voice reminds me of Albert Finney in Big Fish
I kept thinking damn this guy looks like a movie star... thank you for reminding me about that !
He's on what? Is it some kind of Randall presentation?
Well, Albert was from Salford .
my two favourite books were written by this man. excited for the new one
Jeez Joe has came out with straight bangers for like three weeks in a row. GOAT
Fascinating and a totally engrossing conversation and exploration with Mr Dunn and Joe who when he interviews and is interested really shines with his genuine focus.
Back to the old Rogan having fascinating conversations with people pushing the boundaries and no culture war bullshit
... confirmation biased people you mean ... because ... no ... all cores dont show a spiral .. majority .. just DONT ... they are UN INTERESTINGLY matching what the fuckin copper pipe and sand do. And few anomalies dont prove shait.
Cry more, maybe if you cry long enough you can make a river
@@awsompawsomeReal glass
@@awsompawsomecalm down red hat
@@awsompawsomeembarrassment kink ?
Oh my how wonderful to see Chris Dunn here, so appreciate his incredible contribution to this fascinating subject, gratitude.
That suit vest instantly adds 20 IQ points.
Mine comes tomorrow, can’t wait to put it on and solve this mystery once and for all
*waistcoat
That's redundant. He's a brit.
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clothing
+2 INT
+1 CHR
@@shinobi-no-buenois this a US-UK thing? I've never heard of a suit vest before!
I live in Scotland, Aberdeen , the Granite city , I'm a monumental stone mason ,a journeyman. When the people I've had the pleasure of working with over the years and I see those core drills and the way they have been produced it blows our minds that those exist from that time period. These are produced everyday in the factories and workshops now with technologies that have only been available for 150 years I think. The lines/spirals on the sides of the cores would vary depending on the type of granite, how fast the drill spins ,importantly the pressure being applied and the amount of water at the point of cutting, these are all variables you learn over years of experience. Sometimes these variables are altered mid cut/drill as the density of the stone can be different as you go through it. The harder the granite usually we would drill at slower rpm and it would cut more efficiently . Same applies to sawing as the saw blades are tipped with the same material as the core drills . Even the amount of water being pumped into the cut makes a difference to the penetration depth each pass of the blade. The 'sanded' finish Mr Dunn speaks about is a pre-polished state masons work stone down to with hand tools before we send it to the polishers, its called a 'honed finish' ,this is the final stage before polishing , when the stone is of a drilled or a sawn finish its already at the same 'sanded/honed' finish as it comes off the machine used. The blade/drill does the work there.
I've seen Mr Dunn's pictures of how precise the polished stone was with the engineer's square. I'm amazed how precisely flat it appears. I've witnessed massive automated polishing machines for many years, and I know what he's talking about, as those machines struggle to hit that precision every time. The one piece boxes (even the lips on lids that are air tight are a marvel) and preciseness shown in the ancient Egyptian masonry doesn't make sense .I've personally fabricated granite sarcophagi, for efficiency ,time and cost reasons its far better to make it from multiple pieces . If cut correctly from the same slab its easy to match the grains up, construct a box, base, lid and disguise it as one piece .Very little attention is directed to the inside of the box as its only ever going to be seen once . When I first looked at pictures of those boxes I had to take a second look when I was told it was all one piece and the inside had been carved out. Thats exactly the type of work I do and what was achieved is a marvel to consider the work that went into that.
As for those vases, without blowing my own trumpet I'm good at my craft and know that any mason, polisher, granite worker or anyone in between worth his salt will honestly struggle to give a definitive answer how those were produced . The variables of granite, how brittle it is when you get down to those thicknesses , the pressures that need to be applied during working it down and during the polishing process without breakage doesn't makes sense . Then to have such precise symmetry is amazing. The vase that allows light shown through it by a torch (not sure if that was shown here but its easy to find) defies any argument that I can think of that primitive techniques were used at any point. Granite would be the last material I would I'd suggest making those vases from, it would just be an absolute pain in the arse and no matter how good you are , granite being granite, the amount of times fabricating them and at some point it just shatters must have been a nightmare. Marble would be easier but still a pain nonetheless .
I have lot of friends still in the trade and we all tend to agree its a pretty sad look when we see people doing their hardest to knock the opinions of Mr Dunn or dr Robert Schock, Graham Hancock, Randall Carlson, Ben Van Kerwyk, John Anthony West, Robert Bauval. Usually 'acclaimed' academics worryingly desperate to throw shade on common sense for some reason.
These guys are right to ask these questions of how these things came to be (minus the ridicule from the so called 'experts') and they seem to be on the right track according to everyone I know that works with stone . As a Qualified Stonemason I always wonder how these gifts from the past were made and through experience, years of cuts and blistered hands, learning tricks of the trade, the mainstream explanations don't hold up in real world scenarios.
Great podcast, love this type of subject and great guest, Mr Dunn seems like a proper gent.
I'd love to go visit the pyramids in person and the many other places of interest that still hold mystery after all this time, what an awesome job that would be, it would never be boring I bet
if anyone was wondering, this is the name of the guy Dunn was talking about with the earthquake lights. Friedemann T. Freund
Right on time🫶🏾
Love joe going back to the roots of the podcast, personally i was getting a bit tired of the uptic in politics and social issues, so these recent weeks of episodes has had me delighted!
and hunters and bad comedians..
@@kevvymetal666 True I swear comedians are the most boring people other than the most famous ones like Dave Chappelle or Theo Von.
Right.
Can't relate. I enjoy a comedy break away from the constant high brow conversations. But that's the beauty of JRE, there's something for everybody to listen to and you don't have any obligations to watch them all. Great show.
@@ryadh456 Really put Theo Von next to Dave Chappelle? Those dudes are on two entirely different levels lmao
my dad runs a cnc machine shop... for 30 years plus... growing up I thought it was the most dreadful place... Mr. Dunn has given me a spark of interest.
You've missed out on discovering how to make some cool stuff with water jets. Lol
@@ExactConsciousness just mills and lathes my friend...
Would you be willing to take on the challenge of trying to cnc one of these granite vases? So far I have not seen anyone attempt this.
My dad and his dad ran a cutter grinding shop since the 1950s. I feel the same way. A new appreciation for it.
00:04 Christopher Dunn's background and introduction to theories about the Great Pyramid
02:42 Ancient Egyptian tool technology and reverse engineering
08:21 Ancient drills in Egypt had 500 times greater penetration rate than modern Diamond drills
11:22 The debate about the construction of the pyramid and the symmetry of the faces
16:27 Ancient drilling methods were more effective than modern methods.
18:46 Experimenting with creating a core using copper tube and corundum grit.
22:56 Drilling techniques and construction timeframe of the Great Pyramid
24:58 Granite diorite is perfectly symmetrical
28:56 Discussion about measuring run out on a straight diameter
31:19 Differing views on ancient artifact examination
35:44 Challenging Western institutions in rewriting history of Egypt
38:28 Exploring ancient technologies and hands-on learning
42:54 The iron plate is contemporary with the building of the pyramid, possibly goldplated.
45:08 Importance of precision in manufacturing
49:48 Precision of ancient sculptures and faces carved by hand
52:16 The precision and symmetry in ancient statues are mind-blowing.
57:15 Electron Harvesting in Power Generation
59:19 The Great Pyramid's polished surface could reflect a lot of light.
1:03:55 The pyramid's mysterious voids revealed through scanning
1:06:28 Exploring the theory of wave guides inside the Great Pyramid
1:11:15 Limestone acts as a filter and determines water flow rate
1:13:45 German engineer Rudolph Ganton Brink explored and ventilated pyramid shafts using robots.
1:18:46 Different functionalities of King's chamber shaft and Queen's chamber shaft
1:20:49 Discussion about the newly discovered chamber above the grand gallery
1:25:43 Speculation on a device in the Subterranean chamber of the Pyramid of the Earth
1:28:19 Vibrating the pyramid to connect with the Earth
1:33:18 Releasing stresses in Earth's crust to reduce earthquake possibility
1:35:46 Chambers collecting microwave energy for power output
1:40:39 Modern Wave guides were found to have similarities with the design of the shaft.
1:43:19 The wall block thickness may be a little less than 13 ft thick.
1:48:08 Questioning the usage of collected microwave energy in ancient structures.
1:50:22 Discussion on the function of a gold cap in connection with electricity and Tesla's technology
1:55:20 Challenging the tomb theory and examining the Pyramid as a sophisticated machine
1:57:41 Discussion on restoring the Great Pyramid and potential consequences.
2:02:28 Exploring the acoustic modeling of the interior of the Great Pyramid.
2:04:53 Advanced technology appearing as magic
2:08:59 The precise frequency in the king's chamber of the Great Pyramid
2:11:38 Discussion on using a laser to play a guitar and frequencies below human hearing
2:16:28 Marfa lights in Texas are famous for their mysterious and unique display
2:18:24 Mysterious lights in Pisano pass linked to release of positive charge carriers from lithosphere.
2:23:08 Lead pollution in Greenland ice shows historical European emissions
2:25:06 The possibility of a highly advanced civilization before the Ice Age
2:29:44 Importance of 3D data over 2D photographs for geometric accuracy
2:32:21 Challenging the quality of evidence in the investigation
2:36:56 Debate on pre-agriculture society and potential alternative food sources
2:38:52 Thanking Christopher Dunn for his dedication
Putting in the work for you guys has been a pleasure.
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Shirt sleeve game on point, which is now a standard we must hold people to while talking about Egypt.
A little lacking in the hat department though, no? On the other hand, his headphones did remain firmly affixed to his cranium
I am amazed at how how in contrast to Dibble, its so easy for Dunn to say “well, that’s interesting. I’ll look into this…” it’s such a different vibe. So much more open. It’s logic and critical thinking used in a more appropriate way to serve knowledge, and so authentically curious.
It's the easiest deflection. "I'll look into this" then the point is done and he never does.
People like Dibble meanwhile get rather annoyed when you misrepresent their field of expertise to their face.
@@Alexander_Kale you guys are insufferable.
@@Alexander_Kale "Field of Expertise" He's not a physical scientist. He's a glorified social studies Indiana Jones LARPer, so is Graham. Dunn isn't, he's a real engineer. Get another Engineer to counter, not Diddle.
@@TheVaged As far as I can tell, Dibble has a Ph. D. in Classical archaeology. He has multiple publications to his name and he is doing actual archeology.
So yes. Field of expertise. I dont give a damn whether you like his hat, the man knows what he is talking about. So how about you drop the petty insults?
Meanwhile, for an engineer, Dunn has dodged an awful lot of questions in this interview and brought very little actual data.
Whenever Joe tried to nail him into giving him precise measurements, or asked for points of contention between DUnn and archaeologists, Dunn dodged.
E:g., when the 3d printed vase was brought up? Not only would measuring the print be pointless, because most printers are not very precise, at no point whatsoever did Dunn say that these tolerances were in any way out of the ordinary for vases, or if so, by how far.
A very easy way of showing this supposed superiority for example would have been to list a couple of contemporary vases with vastly larger tolerances. For some reason he did not do that.
When Dunn was asked what the contemporary opinion is on how these precise tolerances were achieved, he dodged.
He mentioned how others were mean to him, pointing to less precise vases as a counteragrgument, but he himself in no way shape or form said how widespread his high precision vases were. How am I to know Dunn isn't the one cherry picking here, taking the one vase from the batch that had higher precision by accident?
Then there was the thing with the visual fotography of th face he showed. He effectively admitted that he had no idea how precise thos proportions actually were, but claimed them to be special anyway.
Dibble is an actual subject matter expert, so he's not likely to find any given spurious argument "interesting". He's just going to feel annoyed that something illogical is being passed off as plausible.
This episode is a masterclass on "how to extract information from an introverted podcast guest".
Yeah people cry about Rogan not pushing back on peoples claims.. it’s about making the guest feel comfortable and express what they really believe.
Joe jumped on him from the beginning took him to the ground like an MMA fighter and never let him up. Like my dad would say he pumped him for all his dope.
was pretty much thinking about the work Joe put in on this one.
@@mrromantimothyyour dad pumps guys for dope? 🤨
Joe jumped on him from the beginning took him to the ground like an MMA fighter and never let him up. Like my dad would say he pumped him for all his dope.
From an old toolmaker, Joe is extremely intelligent to grasp these concepts so easily.
Joe worked construction that is why he gets it easily.
@@nerminsnowhuseinbasic9340Construction and machine tool technology are apples and oranges but practical knowledge is transcendent.
This guys speaking my language. Shout out all the machinists watching.
Joe dropped this as a straight up middle finger to Flint Dribbles 💀
I was thinking the same thing.
Why not though? People who claim to be intelligent enough to understand things but closed minded and unable to process new data are degenerates of our time.
😂😂
For realz
Joe does not seem a malicious chap... ❤
Joe is getting better and better at asking the best questions. Not that he's ever been bad, but the direct nature of his question asking to his guests is drastically improving and makes it easier to follow along. Cuze when you're watching, you can get blown off your feet with all this info, and the right questions help see the other side and flesh out the topic completely. Go Joe!
Finally, I’ve been waiting to see Chris Dunn here for yeeeeaars!! It’s so nice to hear someone who actually knows what he’s talking about, and Chris is one! This should have been at least the podcast #4 with him, not #1! He’s work is absolutely brilliant and founded with knowledge and changes everything: in my estimate he’s the most underrated author about the Pyramids and he’s THE Most important and the most humble one, one in contrast: absolute genius! His work will be appreciated in 50+ years when he’ll be long gone, unfortunately… Chris, please go do some steam cell treatments so you can live another 50 years to see that, thank you!!!
He has absolutely no idea what he's talking about. He's a complete fantasist... even calling himself an engineer is hilarious. So much he says is absolutely verifiable rubbish 😂
Joe is the perfect translator from a genius to regular guy.
That's why he's successful
You think this guy's a genius? He's said nothing.
Literally nothing he says have any basis in reality
@ghostfifth I didn't say that, the comment was about Joe. Have a nice day
@@lmccampbella guy says he’s speculating and only offering theory and the thought police shows up. Never fails. 😂
I just saw Chris a few days ago, him and his wife came in to grab lunch where I work. Outstanding gentleman. Always a pleasure to have a quick chat with them.
I’ve been waiting for this podcast for years, thanks so much for having Mr Dunn on Joe. I’ve been obsessed with his work and loved reading his books. I really hope it gains more traction and they complete his work one day. Makes the most sense to me
Totally agree. It's mind blowing to me how the symmetry and accuracy of these artifacts isn't front page news.
We need more people like this in the world. A quite, humble legend.
Just imagine in 100 years time, there was this guy on the JR podcast, laid it all out. Even if its wrong, what a likeable man. Fascinating subject.
we really need people like Christopher Dunn. When talking about Egypt, Flint's arguments felt weak, but yet his attitude was like "believe the experts or be labeled stupid".
He didn’t do that at all. He presented evidence and data. If evidence and data is not useful and you’d prefer to just listen to some cool stories, seriously, that’s fine. But please don’t pretend you care about science.
@@AIenSmithee seemed like they showed his cherry picked evidence at the end of this episode so i mean... sussy boi
@@AIenSmitheethis dude really did ignore your response and just stated illiterate illogical opinion
If you listen to the counter arguments it's apparent, they think these are facts, even the official narrative is just a theory as well not based on first sources, but what historians wrote about ancient Egypt thousands of years later. There was a catastrophe with the Younger Drias, because 150 huge mammal races disappeared quite suddenly. There were Elephants in America and Mammuths. Official cause of distinction is, they were all killed by humans. The few million worldwide that existed during that time. There are too many very unscientific explanations regarding our past.
@@AIenSmithee there’s no evidence of Egyptians using cooper tools to cut granite or make these vases or drill cores out of huge slabs…
Jamie actually trying to hide from the camera killed me 🤣🤣🤣 you ain’t sneaky son
Bro leaning over, like we can’t see you??? 😂😂😂😂😂
Yeaaaah i thought I am the only one who notice that 😂😂😂😂😂,, he always do that 😂😂
Time code?
@@robertozambrano-mn7nkFirst few minutes
He didn’t want to cast opposite shadows!
Joe Rogan, your conversations are absolutely THE best. Thank you for enriching my life.
Conversations like this is why I listen to JRE
fascinating to hear that his accent is probably reminiscent of how the U.S. founding fathers sounded, with a southern accent naturally developing
Yeah it's a great accent I'm british and can tell(even though he said) that he spent his early life here.
Underrated comment. I was thinking the exact same thing.
Came here to say the same thing. 55 years in America and I can still hear an English tinge to some words.
I know it’s irrational but the proud Englishman in me is a little annoyed that he lost his accent (even though it’s pretty obvious why he has)
literally thought the same thing!!!
Loving the return of these kinds of talks.
As a Machinist I had a thought. When he was explaining a divot carved out of the wall of one of the shafts and they weren't sure the purpose. I thought of a possible purpose. So when you have a metal hole and you try and put a perfect sized metal dowel in that hole it will be pushed out from the pressure. However If you machine a small pressure relief hole on the O.D. (outside diameter) of the shaft it makes it possible to put a perfectly fitting dowel in that hole. Maybe it's some sort of pressure relief for a some sort of piston like structure.
Flint dibble is hugging his Indiana jones hat right now rocking back and forth.
Lol
And jerkin’ it to his pops research
@@TrumpsEarBandageyeah but ... my dad
😂
Stomping around the house in his dads shirt and shoes.
One problem with finding machines, or tools, made out of metal from thousands of years ago is that it's not missing, or buried, or undiscovered, it was found by people...melted down, and recycled into something else. Metal is pretty hard to get and make out of the ground, and this process of recycling is still done today. Walk past a building being torn down and there's a pile of iron or steel reinforcement rods aside from a pile of concrete because it's valuable and easily recycled off to become..whatever. Think of all the armies that have ever existed ever using metal weapons, archeologists find one today from Rome it's because it's underwater, or hidden in a cave, but other than that you'd think they'd be everywhere, no, they were recycled over and over and over. Even the casing stones in the great pyramid were recycled to build Cairo.
Well said
I wish your comment was pinned Octaviousrex1080. It's ashamed that ancient tools get recycled over time. For example, the thieves who stole the original FIFA World Cup trophy likely got melted.
And the other point is depending on the antiquity and remembering what Randall Carlsson imparted about how long metal lasts in the open environment maybe some just blows away on the wind
As a blacksmith for 15 years I agree.I smelted steel from iron sands and ore and I've forged metorie.I don't think it's a stretch to think iron and steel could have been produced then.Egyptians had the bellows to reach iron smelting temps.Also you don't just start forging that iron dagger in tuts tomb,it took someone or culture with a history of forging iron.Foring metorite,depending on the impurities,can be extremely difficult and requires skill.
I don’t think it is that hard to get metal is abundant imagine before it was mined for everything that we use now how much metal must of been in the ground just waiting for a quake to shake loose.
Time to extend my lunch break at work
My boss makes a dollar
While I make a dime
That's why I shit
On company time
How do you feel after 10mins....probs go back to work yh? 😂😂
Same here. Not my problem it’s 10 am 🤷♂️
2 hour 40 minute lunch break. Noice
@@theodorosgeorgitsis5600dead 😂
Well done Joe! This is the BEST interview I’ve heard with Chris Dunn. Great work guys!
Flint "My Dad" Dibble left the group.
I read Mr Dunn's book over 15 years ago and it was very convincing as well as being a well-structured read through which I got in little time. These structures all over the globe are just incredible...
Just got over my hangover from playing the “drink when flint dibbles mentions his father” drinking game.
thanks for the laugh bro
Can't blame the hobbit for trying
Drink every time Dunn says "Uh..."
You should try drink every time a Hancock fan makes a joke about dibbles clothes instead of addressing massive problems with Hancock’s “theory”. 😢
LMA0... Do you mean... Flint DRIBBLE? L0L
Joe, this was brilliant. You provide an environment where free thinking rebels can explain their theories - this is just so important for nourishing new ideas, theories and science. If people like Christopher did not have your show, he would be cut down and cancelled by the self appointed experts. You are doing society an incredible good by allowing people like Christopher to address the broader community. Thankyou, and keep up the good work.
As a Journeyman conventional machinist with 20+ years experience, this episode makes me so happy to listen to Chris describe the trade I love with my whole heart
Here here brother
What is your opinion on the stones of the pyramid being made of a cementisious polymer
@@arlen1630 lol.
@@arlen1630 No. They're quarried stone. They can trace them to specific quarries.
20 plus years as an ME within aerospace and I feel the same!
Best episode in a while. Old manufacturing dudes have so much knowledge to share . Chris seems awesome
As a machinist/Manufacturing engineer, this is the first guest Joe has had that I feel I could have an intelligent conversation with. 😂
I've been using manual lathes for years at home, but I got a job 2 years ago running Swiss lathes. After learning that job, I began to understand just how difficult it would be to make those vases everyone says are "handmade". We could easily make one using a 5 axis mill with a separate op to finish the base.
I don't even know how you'd make one on a regular lathe without some complicated workholding and multiple ops where the piece has to be removed from the chuck and flipped around. You'd need a separate driven tool to mill in between the lug handles and some way to control your rotational axis.
And this would all be out of metal. I have no clue how you'd do it out of granite.
As a surveyor, I agree. I would be unable to tolerate a “Dibble”-type
I’ve been a machinist for 89 years and I can say
I was IMMEDIATELY begging for Joe to bring Mr. Dunn on post-Dibble. Because once he insisted on the copper tooling and water/sand...I was a bit shocked that a man insisted "We KNOW
they used copper and sand with water"....lol...wuuuuut...go try to drill a slab of like...Fuggin...ANYTHING harder than the COPPER with those things and then let me know how that goes pal...
As someone who sold drill bits the guest is 💯.
So glad he pointed out the finish in the cores needing a closer look.
I lean towards one bit for that finish. Either way. 🌎
A proper engineer from Northern England..."you do ask some awkward questions....",in that Lancastrian/American accent made me laugh out loud! Wonderful man, great interview.
Sir Dunn and 1.5 speed are best friends.
Thank you. Thats helps.
This was so needed thank you
This generation can't listen to a man speak. Sad
@@seshboy612 I assume your what 20 25 😂
Thanks! Brutal listen this episode
I can hear Dibble screaming right now... "Damn it, another English man!!!!"
"Another pyramidiot with a British accent and no evidence!!!" lol
"My dad's discoveries....☝🏻"
That pod made me realize how much of this is novelty and entertainment for Graham. feel like Joe is secretly exposing him.
JOE a massive fan very off subject but my Australia government and my freedom to talk can cause me trouble I know you probably won't have any time to read but hope is all I have and I'll use it,thanks for all the truth and help to the young men that are very lost atm
Mah charred seeds!
thoroughly enjoyed this. Thankyou emencely for a thrilling interview gentleman!!!
I just LOVE how Mr Joe regularly uses 'manners' , thank you Jamie, could you show that please.
so many people forget how important basic respect can be.
Agreed .. mutual respect an manners go so far good ol common people
Agreed! 100% familiarity shouldn’t excuse bad manners.
Mr Joe lmao
A machinist makes it to the Rogan show. Finally a guest I can relate to.
You're a machinist!? Great! My wife is looking to make her dildys a million times stronger. We want a join toy I can stick up my rectum. Is that something you can help us with? We tried taping 100 electric toothbrushes together and it didn't work.
Trouble is, the core sample he is referring to around the eight minute mark is not at all as he describes it, he is implying the signature of the cutting tool tracks around the core he is discussing uniformly, with uniform rate of penetration, spiralling down. [I have worked in engineering also, am a skilled, professional craftsman who has worked a broad range of materials - so him not seeing the obvious flaw in what he is saying here is not a good sign at all]. If you look at photographs of the core he is describing (that have not been overlaid with simplified graphics asserting this presumption) you can see very clearly that the grooves around it are not uniform and do not progress at a fixed rate like a machine drill, the grooves wander around, they do not spiral down, they wander in the space of one cycle. Anyone who understands how a machine drill functions knows that means this is not the signature of a machine drill.
All these things evidence hand worked abrasive core drills and, though I wish it were not the case, I can see he is choosing his words very carefully here and I think it's because he knows that he is portraying an image which completely contradicts the evidence and indeed paints a false picture of the artefact he is describing - because he needs to maintain that to maintain his position.
This is the trouble with Lost Ancient High Tech advocates, and I'm the last person to bow before academia, but, there is a LOT of VERY conscious, cautious cherry picking in this LAHT culture... it has very cult like qualities and I think this fella is demonstrating that right here.
@@JesseP.Watson he was allowed to take molds of the core, and he also had a skeptic with him who wrapped the core with a thread.
It's a continuous spiral groove
@@superstitiouspre-literatep9730 It really isn't a continuous spiral groove, they did not follow the groove at all, they corrected the deviations with the thread, I've seen photos of that, they are very clearly attempting to mask those characteristics that do not support their narrative. SGDSacredgeometrydecoded has a video debunking it, not a difficult debunk, just need to look closely at the photos these guys promote as evidence because most of the time what they show as evidence of LAHT actually disproves what they say if you look closely. SGD has actually done the experiments they won't do with copper core drills, using abrasive paste, working granite, he's got precisely the results seen in the artefacts, plain as day. These guys are selling their tours, a brand, the Atlantis brand, not genuine enquiry - Bright Insights actually threatened to sue SGD for his debunking him, that's what goes on behind the scenes in this club, I'm very much into challenging orthodoxy but these guys are charlatans, plain and simple.
@@superstitiouspre-literatep9730 No it isn't, plain and simple. Don't listen to what they say, don't look at their graphic overlays, look at the ARTEFACT, the inconsistencies are plain to see. I have seen a picture of that thread you mention wound around that core and they used it to correct the deviations of the grooving, very clearly. Look closely, it's plain as day.
Christopher Dunn is amazing. I worked in a tool and die shop, and I worked for Smith and Wesson also a lot of engineers like Christopher Dunn. I am in such awe of really good engineers,I wish I could have been that good. I was always so
Jealous😂😂😂😂😂. Thank you.
Thank you Joe for being open minded and facilitating these discussions.
This is one of the most educational podcasts I’ve seen in a long time. Even Joe was taking mental notes.
Flint dibble is doing a 80s fight training montage rn
Take it to the limit !!!!
LIMIIIIIIIIIIIT
Walk along the Razors edge
But don't look down just keep your head, or you'll be finished
I don't care what dribbles out of Flint DRIBBLES mind...
Time to light up a Flint Dibble joint and enjoy the episode.
@user-vn3ut5tm6nhe would crush him again… unfortunately he would also call him a white supremacist and ruin his image/undeniably correct argument.
"people would say, what's the big deal about a vase? The big deal is these goddamn handles" 😂 🤣
I was a toolmaker, cnc machinist and programmer for 20 years and it's nice to hear from a fellow professional.
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Christopher Dunn is the uncle for everyone. Full of real experience, knowledge, thought and expertise. A man who understands materials & machines and asks the questions pure academics refuse to confront as the answers are incompatible with their careers, ideas and credibility.
nicely summmed up
My Uncle is cool
My Uncle is great
Except for that time
He was accused of ra.....
Been watching few minutes only and I can tell you already, this is one cool "old" guy!
Back to the show!
One thing that gets overlooked quite a bit, is that these vases are fairly abundant and vases are everyday items, water or wine carriers. Containers, essentially.
Imagine a civilisation that was so refined and able that they would make containers with insane precision easily and en masse
Not sure how or why your back on the RUclips but super glad I get to watch your podcast on RUclips again. Thanks Joe Rogan
Flint Dibble is frantically writing a mean tweet
…in between flipping burgers or DoorDash routes
Because Chris Dunn has been debunked time and time again. Yet Rogan keep having frauds on his show.
@user-vn3ut5tm6n why are you not typing like a human being instead some jive turkey or actually formulating a real compelling to talk? Go back to the peanut gallery, bud
@user-vn3ut5tm6n because davidhooper is flippin burgers and doing doordash
He’s gotta find a way out of his dad’s oversized suit first.
Chris is from my small hometown of Danville, IL. Great Job, Chris! Happy for you sir!
I know that place well, lived south of there for years close to Terra Haute on the IL side.
Im in Illinois too but have a different accent
@@SadisticKid.😂
Dude said he was BORN IN GREAT BRITAIN in the first 30 seconds there glory hound...😂
No, Chris is from Manchester in England 😂
These are about the only kind of jre’s I tune in for these days
Having spent time building and rebuilding American V-Twins, I understand the importance of tolerances on machined parts and how tight they must be… I’ll say this, NO car, motorcycle, or vehicle on any type built by anyone has tolerances as tight as what those vases possess. PERIOD.
It's not as if tighter tolerances aren't possible
Metals can be perfectly friction fit today
Those engines don't have extreme tolerances bc they would seize if the tolerances were too tight
@mayorpufnstuf4470 what does that have to do with the tolerances found in ancient Egyptian stonework?
@@lhh6627 You'll have to ask the OP what engine tolerances have to do with stone vases. But my presumption from the context is that he's essentially claiming that such tolerances are not possible, or at least very difficult to produce today. Of course, that is not the case, and much tighter tolerances are possible today.in any case, it's a misleading comparison, which is my point.
The idea that humans can not hand work materials to precision is nonsense. Dunn makes similar misleading comparisons while ignoring examples of precision hand work in other areas. The best fit firearms are all hand fit. The best cut gemstones with highly complex and accurate geometries are hand cut...
Human skill alone can produce high accuracy and tight tolerances.
I did a quick google search and it appears you are wrong , sir.
If you are talking about the 3d print, keep in mind, that thing has the tolerances of the 3d printer, not the one of the actual vase. by printing it, you introduced an error into the equation, or alternatively removed one from it.
On the other hand, ask yourself this: why in blue blazes would they do something on pottery that we ourselves do not do on precision machinery? Why would they bother? Why wouldl anyone design a machine that makes pottery this precise?