As a friend of mine keeps saying, Thaumaturge is probably the best class to roleplay a complete peasant of a character. Every other class has your character be a very skilled bastard, sometimes even magical; meanwhile, a Thaumaturge could very easily be someone who's been a lowly turnip farmer all their life, only to one day have dug out a talking amulet or pulled a sword out of a stone, and now they're involved into some weird destiny-saving-the-world mess, armed only with their weird artifact and various rumors and old wives' tales about the local bestiary. Oh, and all the assorted trash they've got in their pockets, because Thaumaturge is also a peak hobo class.
I love that you've done a video for both Kineticist and now Thaumaturge and hope that it may be part of a larger project to do all the classes! You have a real knack for getting a lot of valuable information into an easily digestible, entertaining package. When I share your videos with new players, they actually watch them as opposed to hour long analysis!
Speaking as a D&D DM doing some research to help my group transition to Pathfinder skills like "exploit vulnerability" are miles above anything 5e has ever had. Its amazing
The thing that scares people away from PF is the fact that everyone who plays it has a really big “our game is superior” attitude. It’s off putting, not charming.
I love how you completely disregarded the Thaumaturge feats since the implements alone are OP. For those interested, the best Thaumaturge feats are: Diverse Lore: use charisma to recall knowledge on everything, screw Int. Scroll and Talismans feats: A group of feats that give you free scrolls and Talsimans every day, essentially making you caster in some major capacity. Sympathetic Vulnerabilities: Do exploit vulnerability once for repeated creatures. Share Weakness: share your knowledge with your ally. Esoteric Reflexes: Use reaction implements twice. Implement’s Flight: Fly! Implement’s Assault: Ever watched that arrow scene from Guardians of the Galaxy?
One important point to make about exploit vulnerability: by RAW, you only learn the amount of weakness a creature type has on a critical success. On a normal success, you do learn what its weakness is, but not the amount.
If not for this video I likely wouldn't have realized just how PERFECT the Thaumaturge fits in a mystery-horror campaign with lots of homebrew monsters like the one I'm planning. Definitely gonna be recommending this to my players!!
Just found your channel and am a recent pilgrim from 5e. I am absolutely loving P2E classes and their variability. You can run a whole squad of fighters for example and they could all be unique and useful. But the Thaumaturge is especially customizable and useful.
This video reminded me that I should be getting within 20ft of the enemy so I can get that sweet +1 from my lantern. So thank you for that. Just had my 2nd session ever last night so I'm still learning but I love this class and how versatile they are. Instead of the classic Witcher vibe I made my PC an Indiana Jones style treasure hunter whose implements are things they found in their various tomb raids.
Definitely need more ppl making good pathfinder content. Thank you for putting this video out. Will be looking forward to more class videos, if you make them. I really think when ppl realize what paizo has to offer, dnd will take a big hit.
This was well done! As a rpg Designer who does not play pathfinder or dnd, this was an interesting insight into the mechanics. Would be down to see a few more of these.
Loving these. It is really on point and provides a very good primer. I assume that eventually these will cover other classes. Would love to see Summoner, since I still remember my struggles trying to parse that class.
If i am understanding this correctly, a holysymbol can act as an amulet but it can also act as a Regalia. Since people wear holy symbols for protection but they also act as symbols of divine authority. How would a GM react to someone having both Amulet and Regalia as implements, would they still be required to switch implements or could the single item be counted as both of them? Cause if i think on this harder, there are other overlaps like a Beermug acting as a chalice and as a Regalia since it is the holy symbol of Caeden Caylean.
What if you use a weapon implement in one hand... And then you use anothrr implement in the other hand, could you do that? I guess no as it says you can switch between implements, but it would be cool to have both thinge in each hand
I love thaumaturge so much but I can't get over my disappointment that their key ability is charisma, it makes playing one before level 5 a little bit awkward and lvl 5+ feel a little underwhelming sometimes
Esoteric knowledge seems to be less academic in nature, like you sit in a bar, talks to a random guy who turns out to be an expert in lycanthropy who tells you: oh and btw, Werewolves are totally afraid of silver, like this spoon for example. Then you take the spoon and show up suddenly in combat and be like: oh werewolves, that guy in the bar told me something about them! *digs through his random objects* "aha! Behold my secret weapon, a spoon!" (Deals +5 flat damage)
Charisma in this game represents your force of will. In fantasy games like this, your force of will can manipulate the laws of reality through your sheer dominating personality. For using the laws of reality to your advantage, see the inventor class. That's just an in game explanation though. None of this has to actually make sense.
The Thaumaturge's magic lies in the realm of the sympathetic. It's finding power in beliefs, folklore and association rather than concrete evidence. They make these things real via that sympathetic magic. I would say it might also make sense for them to be Wisdom-based, but I don't think Intelligence would necessarily fit! I would vibe with a more academic spin on the Thaumaturge though that uses INT, I don't think it would mess things up too much!
Cha doesn't necessarily have to be how hot or suave a character are, it's also how they can instil their will on others. The opposite side of wisdom if you like. A Champion for example isn't generally a social butterfly but their utter conviction can easily convince others to agree with them. At least that's how I think about it😅
@@Yurt_enthusiast7 it's interesting, thanks for you vision! I was thinking more about that thaumaturge is just know a lot of facts, like witcher from Witcher. Like, it can be anybody with knowledge.
@MrWerwoolf yeah I would guess the Thaumaturge is a bit more like a sorc or bard then a studious wizard in how they use their talents. It's a bit weird ofc, some of the Thaumaturges abilities feels like they should use Int and some of them Cha but at least it's nice to only have to speck one mental stat when you probably need all of the physical stats as well.
In pathfinder, charisma is associated with will power, like a high enough charisma means you can bend reality to your own will pretty much, its why the default spellcasting stat is always charisma, for like innate spells and other stuff that dont out right tell you what stat to use, they are assumed to use CHA by default, its why also the only way to get greater investiture is through charisma, to invest in more magical items... so basically the thaumaturges BULLSHITS a solution so hard, it becomes true, ever heard of the warhammer orkz? their waaaagh logic that if enough orkz believe something it will be true no matter how impossible it is? like blue being the luckiest color thus the ultramarines being pretty much the mary sues of the whole franchise lol lmao... ya can think of exploit vulnerability as exactly that hahahahah, these thaums really got some magic even if they are not casters
I am DM'ing my first campaign and a character died and switched to this class. Thanks for the crash course. The flavour behind this class is dumb. This Goblin is not week to anything but I am pretty sure he is afraid of clowns. WTF that is a thematically garbage ability.
As a friend of mine keeps saying, Thaumaturge is probably the best class to roleplay a complete peasant of a character. Every other class has your character be a very skilled bastard, sometimes even magical; meanwhile, a Thaumaturge could very easily be someone who's been a lowly turnip farmer all their life, only to one day have dug out a talking amulet or pulled a sword out of a stone, and now they're involved into some weird destiny-saving-the-world mess, armed only with their weird artifact and various rumors and old wives' tales about the local bestiary. Oh, and all the assorted trash they've got in their pockets, because Thaumaturge is also a peak hobo class.
I love that you've done a video for both Kineticist and now Thaumaturge and hope that it may be part of a larger project to do all the classes! You have a real knack for getting a lot of valuable information into an easily digestible, entertaining package. When I share your videos with new players, they actually watch them as opposed to hour long analysis!
Speaking as a D&D DM doing some research to help my group transition to Pathfinder skills like "exploit vulnerability" are miles above anything 5e has ever had.
Its amazing
The thing that scares people away from PF is the fact that everyone who plays it has a really big “our game is superior” attitude. It’s off putting, not charming.
I love how you completely disregarded the Thaumaturge feats since the implements alone are OP.
For those interested, the best Thaumaturge feats are:
Diverse Lore: use charisma to recall knowledge on everything, screw Int.
Scroll and Talismans feats: A group of feats that give you free scrolls and Talsimans every day, essentially making you caster in some major capacity.
Sympathetic Vulnerabilities: Do exploit vulnerability once for repeated creatures.
Share Weakness: share your knowledge with your ally.
Esoteric Reflexes: Use reaction implements twice.
Implement’s Flight: Fly!
Implement’s Assault: Ever watched that arrow scene from Guardians of the Galaxy?
Wonder Worker: that's the power of the Wish spell (or more updated Manifestation)
One important point to make about exploit vulnerability: by RAW, you only learn the amount of weakness a creature type has on a critical success. On a normal success, you do learn what its weakness is, but not the amount.
hell yeah! Please make one for every class! These rule
If not for this video I likely wouldn't have realized just how PERFECT the Thaumaturge fits in a mystery-horror campaign with lots of homebrew monsters like the one I'm planning. Definitely gonna be recommending this to my players!!
Bro, at first I though this was just a witcher (which is pretty cool), but the idea of some kind of yokai exorcist is really cool as well.
Just found your channel and am a recent pilgrim from 5e. I am absolutely loving P2E classes and their variability.
You can run a whole squad of fighters for example and they could all be unique and useful. But the Thaumaturge is especially customizable and useful.
These are as good as the jocat guides to DND, I'm so happy.
You have some of the best videos to explain core mechanics and classes. These are so helpful!!! Thank you so much for making these types of videos!!!
The editing in this one is top notch
This video reminded me that I should be getting within 20ft of the enemy so I can get that sweet +1 from my lantern. So thank you for that. Just had my 2nd session ever last night so I'm still learning but I love this class and how versatile they are. Instead of the classic Witcher vibe I made my PC an Indiana Jones style treasure hunter whose implements are things they found in their various tomb raids.
Been looking for this! A brief, non-stream-of-consciousness overview about a single class. Would love one for each and every class eventually!
Definitely need more ppl making good pathfinder content. Thank you for putting this video out. Will be looking forward to more class videos, if you make them. I really think when ppl realize what paizo has to offer, dnd will take a big hit.
This was well done!
As a rpg Designer who does not play pathfinder or dnd, this was an interesting insight into the mechanics.
Would be down to see a few more of these.
I love thaumaturges, by far my favorite class.
Geralt of River Kingdoms
Thank you for this! I’m in the process of converting to Pathfinder and these videos help a LOT!
I love all King Oogatonton videos!
Fantastic vid for an advanced class. Well done!
the marriage cert. was sure a bit random, but somehow it fits perfect to a thaumaturge
Loving these. It is really on point and provides a very good primer. I assume that eventually these will cover other classes. Would love to see Summoner, since I still remember my struggles trying to parse that class.
Love your videos!
Love playing thaumaturge.
Positive comment
Good vibes response
I love the Thaumaturge and love this video about them
Mark Seifter did multiple polls on favorite classes and Thaumaturge came out on top in each one.
Gonna give a Thaumaturge a usb stick as the book XD
Wow, that would actually be perfect for some campaigns!
Thaumaturge is the crazy conspiracy theorist class and I can't un-think this now
Love these!
This is why he’s the king
If only it had been a marine iguana 😏
swashbuckler next 🙏
i cant wait to make a middle aged woman using a mcdonalds receipt as their implement of choice when banishing managers
Amazing
OK I LOVE THE EXPLANATION do this under current rules with a skeleton no blug weapons. No weakness right?
Could you please, do a video about Oracles?
I will cover them once Player Core 2 is out!
If i am understanding this correctly, a holysymbol can act as an amulet but it can also act as a Regalia. Since people wear holy symbols for protection but they also act as symbols of divine authority. How would a GM react to someone having both Amulet and Regalia as implements, would they still be required to switch implements or could the single item be counted as both of them?
Cause if i think on this harder, there are other overlaps like a Beermug acting as a chalice and as a Regalia since it is the holy symbol of Caeden Caylean.
What if you use a weapon implement in one hand... And then you use anothrr implement in the other hand, could you do that? I guess no as it says you can switch between implements, but it would be cool to have both thinge in each hand
Yes, you can hold two implements at a time, one in each hand. Otherwise, the class would be honestly pretty terrible.
do you need to use exploit vulnerability every turn?
So Thaimaturge is basically a sort of a witcher
Should have wisdom for it's class ability
I love thaumaturge so much but I can't get over my disappointment that their key ability is charisma, it makes playing one before level 5 a little bit awkward and lvl 5+ feel a little underwhelming sometimes
Now why would we have them be charisma when its clearly supposed to be intelligence. Real question why do that
Esoteric knowledge seems to be less academic in nature, like you sit in a bar, talks to a random guy who turns out to be an expert in lycanthropy who tells you: oh and btw, Werewolves are totally afraid of silver, like this spoon for example. Then you take the spoon and show up suddenly in combat and be like: oh werewolves, that guy in the bar told me something about them! *digs through his random objects* "aha! Behold my secret weapon, a spoon!" (Deals +5 flat damage)
Because their capacity to pull stuff out of their proverbial behind is similar to that of the sorcerer, right ?
Charisma in this game represents your force of will. In fantasy games like this, your force of will can manipulate the laws of reality through your sheer dominating personality. For using the laws of reality to your advantage, see the inventor class. That's just an in game explanation though. None of this has to actually make sense.
The Thaumaturge's magic lies in the realm of the sympathetic. It's finding power in beliefs, folklore and association rather than concrete evidence. They make these things real via that sympathetic magic.
I would say it might also make sense for them to be Wisdom-based, but I don't think Intelligence would necessarily fit! I would vibe with a more academic spin on the Thaumaturge though that uses INT, I don't think it would mess things up too much!
Don't understand how Charisma can help you with monster's vulrnerabilities. Wisdom maybe, but Cha is strange, like what, you just asking it?
Cha doesn't necessarily have to be how hot or suave a character are, it's also how they can instil their will on others. The opposite side of wisdom if you like.
A Champion for example isn't generally a social butterfly but their utter conviction can easily convince others to agree with them.
At least that's how I think about it😅
@@Yurt_enthusiast7 it's interesting, thanks for you vision! I was thinking more about that thaumaturge is just know a lot of facts, like witcher from Witcher. Like, it can be anybody with knowledge.
@MrWerwoolf yeah I would guess the Thaumaturge is a bit more like a sorc or bard then a studious wizard in how they use their talents.
It's a bit weird ofc, some of the Thaumaturges abilities feels like they should use Int and some of them Cha but at least it's nice to only have to speck one mental stat when you probably need all of the physical stats as well.
this is minor misconception, thamaturge don't necessarily use existing vulnerabilities they are creating ones
In pathfinder, charisma is associated with will power, like a high enough charisma means you can bend reality to your own will pretty much, its why the default spellcasting stat is always charisma, for like innate spells and other stuff that dont out right tell you what stat to use, they are assumed to use CHA by default, its why also the only way to get greater investiture is through charisma, to invest in more magical items... so basically the thaumaturges BULLSHITS a solution so hard, it becomes true, ever heard of the warhammer orkz? their waaaagh logic that if enough orkz believe something it will be true no matter how impossible it is? like blue being the luckiest color thus the ultramarines being pretty much the mary sues of the whole franchise lol lmao... ya can think of exploit vulnerability as exactly that hahahahah, these thaums really got some magic even if they are not casters
Witcher.
Sounds like Bloodborne
I am DM'ing my first campaign and a character died and switched to this class. Thanks for the crash course.
The flavour behind this class is dumb. This Goblin is not week to anything but I am pretty sure he is afraid of clowns. WTF that is a thematically garbage ability.
Literally ignore all this crap, play a fighter. Power attack to overcome DR. Done.