Alonso's awareness being 78 is criminal. It should be 90 minimum, especially if Lewis' awareness is 94 after having quite a few incidents last season and this season (Monaco practice and Miami qualifying which was the definition of 0 awareness). I feel like they just put Alonso's awareness so low, so his overall rating wouldn't be so high and higher than Lewis'. But they should increase Max's rating to 96+ and push Alonso to 93/94 in my opinion.
Alonso having 78 awareness whilst Hamilton has 90+ is actually criminal. Ham's had so many incidents last year and in 2021 there is no way anyone with a clear conscience can give him such a high awareness rating. Not to mention Alonso is literally **A W A R E** of how every other driver is doing during the race. His on the fly calculations and clairvoyance of the race situation is just absolutely mad. Those two figures definitely have to be switched.
Wow the Alonso fan girl club is going and growing strong. You see the deltas between him and the person in front of behind when he does that? It's not like he does it while fighting for position so it's not that impressive. He didn't pass the boss's son again not that impressive or far seeing. He isn't some race god that can't make mistakes or is able to see the future. Sucking up to stroll is the smartest and safest way to keep a drive and possibly not get screwed over if by some miracle he finds himself in a title fight
We all joke about Alonso's famous quote about leaving space. But over his career, I'd say he is one of the cleanest driver of all time, in terms of avoiding incidents, probably on Kimi level, yet somehow he got a low awareness rating. You tell me how it works.
I think EA mostly got the order correct but the issue they have is that the ratings are made in such a way where they have room to grow throughout a career mode save so they sort of have to be lower than they should. But certain stats like Fernando & Lando's awareness being so low whilst the racecraft on Stroll, Sargeant & NDV being way too high is just baffling.
I think Leclerc’s pace must be way higher. IMO Leclerc’s one-lap qualifying pace is up there with Verstappen or even higher. I dont mind giving him a lower grade on RACECRAFT and AWARENESS, but PACE should be 96 or higher. Exp: 77 Rac: 89 Awa: 81 Pac: 97
What you seem to miss is that the ratings are low in general to enable driver development within F1 career mode. With Max being 96 or 97, he will top out pretty much instantly, which doesn't make sense from a game perspective. With that in mind, I think the ratings are pretty much correct, I definitely think that Leclerc and Russell should be a touch higher than Norris for example, and while I love a little bit of Bottas, he hasn't really backed up that 87 rating so far, but it should be only minor tweaking. Remember that more dated drivers should get higher ratings based on their experience though - so Hamilton, Alonso, Perez and Bottas will greatly benefit from it in the overall ratings.
Really good explanation. You see the same with all other sports games and also see people getting upset over the ratings. It's about growth. Franchise or my team are huge aspects of those games
@@MaxVerhaagBro, he got 2nd in Q3 because of a red flag; Not because he was fast lmao. He was over 2 seconds behind Max’s time. I agree Nico is quick, but this weekend was not the example you’re looking for.
I can kind of see how people give you him those high numbers. He's done things in that mclaren that I honestly see very few drivers being able to replicate, and if he maintained that performance when he moves to a better team then its valid to give him those high scores. However until then it's impossible to know for sure and peoples should just err on the side of caution for the time being.
I know it was a few seasons ago now, but I feel like it would be a bit too extreme to have Lando 3 ratings higher than Sainz when he overall beat Lando when they were teammates
@@teamrainbow7674 the thing is, lando has definitely improved more in those seasons than sainz has. It's a meaningless comparison now, unless you were to stick them in the same car again
This is the second ratings video I have watched and both instances I (the other was P1 with Matt and Tommy) the ratings were better than in the game. EA need to do some research before giving ratings like this, Perez and Leclerc, or Russel and Bottas having the same amount of points is ridiculous.
They must be pulling from some kind of data. But sometimes, the data doesn't tell the full story. Or at least, it conflicts with our feelings about it.
Would be interesting if there was a rating for the cars. For example rated by speed, handling and reliability, and then combine that total with the overal driver rating to get a rating for the complete package.
i think gasly is criminally underrated, i think he’s level with ocon. people are forgetting his 2 incredible seasons in an alpha tauri. he had an average year last year and now apparently he’s on the level of albon and barely better than yuki, who he consistently battered.
I need to see more from Pierre to have the confidence in his ability that I do of Ocon. Esteban has had these top tier teammates and broadly held his own. Esteban has had the edge this year, will be interesting to see how they're related by the end.
I genuinely don't think you can have Piastri as an 80 and Lando as a 91. There's just not that bug a difference between then given it's Piastri's rookie season. If Lando is on par with Russel, then how is an 80 that close?
I like these kind of vids where you get highlights or a condensed version of a stream. Don't often have chance to watch one back or catch it live. Maybe you could do a thing where you do a video showing the worldie and stinker drives in a small GP weekend review from the streams? I just want more tommo in my life 😂
Leclerc is under rated super hard. Sure he has crashed alot, but as you said, he doesnt have a fast car, and he is maximizing every single bit of it. He would have ended P3 in Bahrain if it wasnt for the DNF, he got pole position against two redbulls. Probably the fastest driver on the grid.
Sorry Tommo, I just had to fast forward to Alonsos. Alonso's awareness is one of the highest of anyone on the grid. How can he have an awareness rating of 78 and Sir Lewis gets over 90 and yet he rarely makes mistakes?! That doesn't make sense
The Problem with sim games is the talent files are all over the place. A driver who sits at the back of the grid will sit at the front or win. There is a bias as a fan of Lewis Hamillton will over rate him despite the fact he is under performing. I race against fantasy drivers in fantasy cars on my PC because of this.
Yeah, I agree with a lot of people here, Charles's Pace should be the best one out of all the drivers. He is not my favourite driver overall, but you have to admit that in qualy he is mega
I think it’s reasonable that a lot are “under rated” in the game, because I think there needs to be a proper spread so that the AI performs where they should. What’s more important is having the drivers in the right order I think
Miggy’s Ratings 1. Ver 95 2. Ham 93 3. ALO 93 4. LEC 91 5. RUS 91 6. OCO 88 7. Nor 88 8. Per 87 9. Sai 87 10. Gas 85 11. TSU 84 12. Alb 83 13. Mag 83 14. Hul 83 15. Bot 82 16. PIA 81 17. Zho 81 18. Str 80 19. Dev 76 20. Sar 72 21. DRU 75 22. Pou 73 23. Msc Ric & lat should be available
I genuinely think that Alonso's 78 Awareness rating is a mistake that slipped by. There is just no way. There was that gridbox positioning issue, but if that takes such a toll, Lance stroll should have 3 awareness.
I am not exactly sure how the viewer polling worked since it's somewhat distorted and fast-forwarded. Did you poll the viewers after you showed them your rating? Because if you did I think showing your points rating and bringing arguments for it has most likely heavily influenced the viewers' ratings. I think it would have been better if you polled the viewers first and then show your rating for all of the drivers :).
@@walter1824 considering they were level on 2007 and when Hamilton had the faster car from 2010-2013 alonso beat him in the championship all 4 seasons I think it’s fair for alonso to be ranked higher
The british bias is so high here, mainly with Lando. I'll never put him ahead of Sainz after being clapped in 2019, 2020 and 2021 with equal perfomance cars.
1. Gasly and Ocon should either be both 86 or both 87. they cannot be separated at all imo 2. given the gap between Lando and Carlos when both were at McLaren i’d say they should only be 1 apart, probably 89 Carlos 90 Lando. Checo could easily be 89 too.
I love tommo, and I think he’s very fair, but I genuinely don’t believe that lando is better than Carlos. Carlos beat him every time he was at mclaren, and when he moved to Ferrari, he beat leclerc in his first season, was equal to him in the second half of 22, and is beating him now. I think he has the measure of lando.
George and Lando are too high, I would give them an 89, Gasly's rating is criminally low, him, Ocon and Alex should all have an 88, and your rating of Max is too high, he should have a 94 too
Honestly hard to justify having max below a 99. He’s pretty much as perfect as you can get. I get why he’s a 97, but it’s really hard to point out an area where he’s not basically perfect
How Gasly can be worse than Esteban considering Gasly is 2-3 in races ( not including Bahrain or Australia (where Gasly was much faster) cuz 1 or both had a dnf) despite coming into a new car for this season is stupid to me.
Prime Vettel, Prime Nando, Young Lewis and Prime Kimi was a really strong top 4 in the early 2010s. Add Button, Rosberg and Webber to that list and you have a pretty stacked list. I will though say that the early 2000s and the mid 2010s was pretty weak compared to the 2020s and the early 2010s. In my opinion the strongest era of drivers was probably the 1960s(Clark, Stewart, Hill, Hill, Guerney, Brabham, McLaren, Surtees, Rindt, Hulme and a little bit of Moss) It is though a shame that we have so many great drivers yet none of them can fight for wins and add to that the fact that so many young drivers won’t get a seat in F1(Theo, Vesti, Drugovich, Iwasa, Bearman and Lawson are all drivers who deserves a shot at F1)
@@usernamenotwrittenoutoflaz9865 yeah that 60s stretch was crazy. My mind went to Prost, Senna, Piquet, Mansell as the 4, but 2010 v8 era is a good contender
@@JackoVX the best top 4 is 100% between 1980s and the early 2010s. We still need a few years to see how the top 4 we have now pan out to truly rank them. The 60s top 4 isn’t as strong(the top 4 is probably Clark, Stewart, Brabham and Graham Hill), but they did have a very top heavy field with multiple drivers that could win WDC(i am pretty certain the 60s was the decade where the WDC was won by the most amount of drivers ever, to be fair this was mostly due to Jim Clark having horrible reliability problems). I will though say that we are currently in the era with the deepest driver roster. Just think of how many drivers deserves a F1 seat.
My ratings: Verstappen 95 Alonso 93 Hamilton 93 Norris 91 Leclerc 91 Russell 91 Perez 89 Sainz 89 Ocon 88 Gasly 86 Bottas 84 Hulkenberg 84 Tsunoda 84 Albon 84 Magnussen 82 Zhou 82 Stroll 82 Piastri 81 De Vries 76 Sargeant 75 (I would put Piastri a lot higher as I really rate him, but as he’s a rookie I decided not to)
I have pretty much the same list except Piastri and Stroll has swapped their ratings and Charles should be 92 rated. Great list. I really hate how F1 games give rookies and F2 drivers such a low rating, what makes it worse is the fact that the growth is so small that by the end of their 5th season a driver like Piastri will only be rated 83 or something, which is just stupid. FOIFA, Madden and NBA2K does this a lot better than F1 and F1 Manager.
@@usernamenotwrittenoutoflaz9865 that’s a very good list from you as well. I completely agree about the rookies, IMO Piastri should be around 84 on his actual level compared to other drivers but as he is a rookie they will give him a lot lower, which will make him unusable in the game.
@@tsjawesome6289 yeah it sucks the rookies are all useless(same goes for F1 manager). I do understand the rookies being some of the lower rated drivers, which is realistic, but the growth system in career mode needs to be improved to be like FIFA, where you can buy someone like Gavi and he can turn into a 90 rated in 2 years
I don't see how you can have more than one points difference between Hamilton and Russell, considering Russell beat him in 2022. There isn't much to split them, apart from experience.
Probably because Hamilton had exactly 5 million and 41 sensors all over his car in the first couple races. Hamiltons definitely better than Russell, albeit not by a huge margin.
As the more experienced driver, Lewis had to carry out testing duties since he provides more reliable feedback, while George's objectives were to find his groove and not to fall behind Lewis. At the end of the day, Lewis is still better than George, although not by far. Amazing how a 38 year old Lewis is still competitive though, he is still a top 3 driver on the grid alongside Max and Fernando.
I know we’re not debating this but Alonso awareness 78 is just criminally low… Alonso is by far has the best awareness out of all F1 drivers. I mean who else watched a live broadcast of himself racing…
Hi Tommo, I enjoyed the video! However, it felt sort of like a short summary of you just saying what you think your rating was and what the viewers think. I feel like you could explain a bit more (maybe the individual stats that you do/don’t agree with), and that would make the video even better! If that’s not the way you want to do it, you obviously shouldn’t. Your videos slap anyways ❤ Just thought I’d give my two cents!
I made my own ratings and apart from 1 or 2 points here and there, it's exactly the same as yours, altough some are a little a bit high imo. For exemple Norris shouldn't be higher than a 90 and both Haas drivers and Nyck De Vries should be a little lower imo. I'm a Perez fan myself and I completely agree with the 88 and leveled with Sainz. He has had a few bad weekends lately but people seem to forget how good he actually is. Not many drivers would've pulled off what he did in the Sakhir GP a few years ago. F1 fans just love hating on everyone as soon as they can. Sainz, Perez, Hamilton, Russel and Verstappen only have to make 1 mistake to be called washed nowadays
I think Carlos deserves a bit more, just seeing relative to some of the other drivers, like If George is 91 I’d consider Carlos to be his equal or probably one point lower, two would be harsh, three is a bit far fetched. Also in what world is Lando 2 points better than Sainz, in their time at McLaren Carlos was faster and neither of the two has proven anything significant enough to suggest a difference of 2 points especially in Carlos’s disadvantage
I think it has to be said that the unequal cars are still a huge factor in all this. I suspect that if they were all plunked down in identical cars this list wouldn't be anything like it is now.
78 awareness for Alonso, in monaco he was racing in p2 while watching stroll on the big screen, come on now, codemasters pull these numbers out of their asses
Max winning every race by 20s + top in all practices quali and race but get 3 plus than Charles that makes mistakes every single race and has around 50 points in the championship 😂😂😂😂
I do not like the fact Esteban seems to have a flawed history with other drivers, BUT I think he deserves an 88 and because of his awareness, As of last year and this year, He has been working with engineers to correct sim and potential set up problems and also got the podium on Monaco because of his awareness. I do not see the same driver from India Racing anymore. Less accidents and more points as we continue. Gasly should be a bit lower. I like all your other ratings.
I assume the rating change as we experience the drivers racing at different tracks. So its safe to assume the correlation at Behrain and Logan is way higher than DeVries because of their placement at that race. I think De Vries may be a bit over rated coming in, BUT He is definitely more experienced than a rookie!
Gasly low key should be higher, him and Ocon are close on pace so it doesn't make sense to give him a lower score, both should have an 88, along with Alex
@@elvincitore1512 Ocon has 10 points more and he has a podium currently(Ocon 25, Gasly 10). I do think they are close and you can say Pierre is learning a new car in a new team. Renault powertrain. In no way do I mean that he should be way lower than what they rated him at all! I just think f1 was gracious to give him that score in correlation to his results on track.
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Other than strolls I say yours were pretty spot on
Alonso's awareness being 78 is criminal. It should be 90 minimum, especially if Lewis' awareness is 94 after having quite a few incidents last season and this season (Monaco practice and Miami qualifying which was the definition of 0 awareness). I feel like they just put Alonso's awareness so low, so his overall rating wouldn't be so high and higher than Lewis'. But they should increase Max's rating to 96+ and push Alonso to 93/94 in my opinion.
whats max's awareness?
@@joshflynn2173 85
I'd love to know what statistics they pulled from to come to that conclusion.
They have always overstatted Lewis. The people who do them are definitely TeamLH and have no idea what these drivers actually drive like.
@@TommoMcCluskeyI’m pretty sure they got that rating from how often they get penalties/severity of those penalties
Alonso having 78 awareness whilst Hamilton has 90+ is actually criminal. Ham's had so many incidents last year and in 2021 there is no way anyone with a clear conscience can give him such a high awareness rating. Not to mention Alonso is literally **A W A R E** of how every other driver is doing during the race. His on the fly calculations and clairvoyance of the race situation is just absolutely mad. Those two figures definitely have to be switched.
Hamilton has always been praised for his consistency but the last few seasons have shown anything but. He's up and down like how the wind changes.
This Alonso fangirl crying every ware Lewis is better than Alonso in all aspects of the game.
Wow the Alonso fan girl club is going and growing strong. You see the deltas between him and the person in front of behind when he does that? It's not like he does it while fighting for position so it's not that impressive. He didn't pass the boss's son again not that impressive or far seeing. He isn't some race god that can't make mistakes or is able to see the future. Sucking up to stroll is the smartest and safest way to keep a drive and possibly not get screwed over if by some miracle he finds himself in a title fight
They must be basing the numbers off of some kind of data. Would love to know what that data is.
@@doghat1619 lol maybe you haven't been watching this season but Lewis is literally maximizing that w14 even though it doesn't even suite him
We all joke about Alonso's famous quote about leaving space. But over his career, I'd say he is one of the cleanest driver of all time, in terms of avoiding incidents, probably on Kimi level, yet somehow he got a low awareness rating. You tell me how it works.
I think EA mostly got the order correct but the issue they have is that the ratings are made in such a way where they have room to grow throughout a career mode save so they sort of have to be lower than they should. But certain stats like Fernando & Lando's awareness being so low whilst the racecraft on Stroll, Sargeant & NDV being way too high is just baffling.
That's a fair point.
I think Leclerc’s pace must be way higher. IMO Leclerc’s one-lap qualifying pace is up there with Verstappen or even higher. I dont mind giving him a lower grade on RACECRAFT and AWARENESS, but PACE should be 96 or higher.
Exp: 77
Rac: 89
Awa: 81
Pac: 97
This sounds great to me
Yeah that's a fair cop Kirstie
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He should be way higher than 89,bro is so good attacking and defending.
89 racecraft is a joke
@@MrXLR8Clanhe has better race craft than max imo
What you seem to miss is that the ratings are low in general to enable driver development within F1 career mode. With Max being 96 or 97, he will top out pretty much instantly, which doesn't make sense from a game perspective.
With that in mind, I think the ratings are pretty much correct, I definitely think that Leclerc and Russell should be a touch higher than Norris for example, and while I love a little bit of Bottas, he hasn't really backed up that 87 rating so far, but it should be only minor tweaking. Remember that more dated drivers should get higher ratings based on their experience though - so Hamilton, Alonso, Perez and Bottas will greatly benefit from it in the overall ratings.
I guess it would make sense for the game to inflate growth potential vs real life. Fair point.
Really good explanation. You see the same with all other sports games and also see people getting upset over the ratings. It's about growth. Franchise or my team are huge aspects of those games
I don't think your point about topping out matters at all as all the drivers in the big 3 are all 99 rated in myteam due to driver facilities.
@@sweeney7 whether that's true or not I don't know, but it matters when they leave for another team.
Well exp isn’t given much weight when calculating the average. It’s mostly pac and rac
Hulkenbergs Pace should be very high. One of the best on one lap
You ain't wrong!
@@TommoMcCluskey especially after quali today!
Do you know pace is not really about the qualy?
@@MaxVerhaagBro, he got 2nd in Q3 because of a red flag; Not because he was fast lmao. He was over 2 seconds behind Max’s time. I agree Nico is quick, but this weekend was not the example you’re looking for.
@@Farigeri did you know it's "quali" and not "qualy?"
Lando 89 is a bit high, 88 would be fine, 91 is just ridiculous imo
I can kind of see how people give you him those high numbers. He's done things in that mclaren that I honestly see very few drivers being able to replicate, and if he maintained that performance when he moves to a better team then its valid to give him those high scores.
However until then it's impossible to know for sure and peoples should just err on the side of caution for the time being.
@@epicgamerchannel6230 We have seen since F1 2021 how he somehow overdrives the car and is a dark horse to any other car other than the top 3.
I know it was a few seasons ago now, but I feel like it would be a bit too extreme to have Lando 3 ratings higher than Sainz when he overall beat Lando when they were teammates
@@teamrainbow7674 exactly
@@teamrainbow7674 the thing is, lando has definitely improved more in those seasons than sainz has. It's a meaningless comparison now, unless you were to stick them in the same car again
having Perez and Norris ahead of Russell, and having Sainz equal to Russell is just criminal. and Russell at 88 and Bottas at 87 is an absolute joke.
The fact Tommo thinks George and Norris are equal is a joke. George would flatten Lando.
@@gameofender4463george imo should be 1 rating higher than lando
@@danbruh33 Exactly. Lost a lot of respect for Tommo since he’s shown he’s a Norris hack.
@@gameofender4463It's not that deep
norris > george russeliban
You really edited this video and thought it was fine to have that fast forward with the high pitch noise 19 times
Facts
Never bothered me
It’s fine
@@jjrod2883nah it's horrible
You don't enjoy the sound of my 1000x voice?
8:56 funniest part lmao
Yeah everyone was just laughing on the stream. It was hilarious
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Tommo Teammate averages:
Red Bull - 92
Mercedes - 92.5
Ferrari - 90.5
Aston Martin - 88
Alpine - 86
McLaren - 85.5
Alfa Romeo - 83
Haas - 83
Alpha Tauri - 79.5
Williams - 79.5
Oooh nice
7:23 I did NOT see that coming. 😂
Great live yesterday! 👍🏾
Cheers for coming!
It was fun watching this on the live stream and being able to influence the results.
Glad you enjoyed it Andy, appreciate it!
@@TommoMcCluskey any plans to do another when EA update the rankings. Maybe get chatgpts input? 😂
Thought you would also change the stats
This is the second ratings video I have watched and both instances I (the other was P1 with Matt and Tommy) the ratings were better than in the game.
EA need to do some research before giving ratings like this, Perez and Leclerc, or Russel and Bottas having the same amount of points is ridiculous.
They must be pulling from some kind of data. But sometimes, the data doesn't tell the full story. Or at least, it conflicts with our feelings about it.
Norris ahead of Sainz is criminal
put lando in that ferrari and he outscores leclerc and sainz. Lando consistently puts his shitbox mclaren in the points
Norris is a way and way better driver than Sainz is man, he has a goddamn tractor on the grid.
@@bundybir2684 forgetting about mclaren 2019/2020? Sainz was clear and only improved, just like norris. Sainz still ahead of norris for me.
@@pleunivanerp6168 For you yes. Norris is an exceptional driver, pulls 110% out the car. Sainz has a Ferrari. Norris's day will come.
@@quintinwacker7358 "shitbox" outside of the first couples races has been on par or better than the alpine
Alex Albon gets bumped up to 88 after his Canadian F1 race performance.
Would be interesting if there was a rating for the cars. For example rated by speed, handling and reliability, and then combine that total with the overal driver rating to get a rating for the complete package.
i think gasly is criminally underrated, i think he’s level with ocon. people are forgetting his 2 incredible seasons in an alpha tauri. he had an average year last year and now apparently he’s on the level of albon and barely better than yuki, who he consistently battered.
Gasly is having a really unlucky season, he is indeed better then Ocon
Gasly wouldn't batter Yuki in 2023. He didn't destroy him last season either.
he battered yuki in 2021, in 2022 they were level in quali and race pace, I think they are very close and both very underrated
I need to see more from Pierre to have the confidence in his ability that I do of Ocon. Esteban has had these top tier teammates and broadly held his own. Esteban has had the edge this year, will be interesting to see how they're related by the end.
@@TommoMcCluskey Gasly 4 - 3 Ocon in race head to heads this season, on what planet are they not on the same level?
Bottas Racecraft should be 60 and Awareness 99
VER: 94
ALO: 92
HAM: 91
NOR: 90
RUS: 90
LEC: 90
SAI: 89
PER: 88
OCO: 88
HUL: 87
GAS: 86
ALB: 86
TSU: 85
MAG: 83
BOT: 82
ZHO: 82
PIA: 82
STR: 81
DEV: 78
SAR: 76
Drop Norris to 88 and raise Charles and George to 91 and it’s fine.
I genuinely don't think you can have Piastri as an 80 and Lando as a 91. There's just not that bug a difference between then given it's Piastri's rookie season. If Lando is on par with Russel, then how is an 80 that close?
I like these kind of vids where you get highlights or a condensed version of a stream. Don't often have chance to watch one back or catch it live. Maybe you could do a thing where you do a video showing the worldie and stinker drives in a small GP weekend review from the streams? I just want more tommo in my life 😂
Appreciate it Ethan!
I find it hard to believe that a driver winning every single qualy, sprint and race is 5 points off a 99...
please tell me im doing something wrong. ps4 version digital download is crashing like crazy. in tt mode and online racing. crashes all the time.
Leclerc is under rated super hard. Sure he has crashed alot, but as you said, he doesnt have a fast car, and he is maximizing every single bit of it. He would have ended P3 in Bahrain if it wasnt for the DNF, he got pole position against two redbulls. Probably the fastest driver on the grid.
It's the f1 game so surely they should be on a sliding scale just for F1 drivers, max at 99, Logan at 1
That would make a lot more sense tbh
You should have done the poll before you revealed your rating, may have given less biased results :)
Latifi should get put in the game as a my team icon with a 99
Sorry Tommo, I just had to fast forward to Alonsos. Alonso's awareness is one of the highest of anyone on the grid. How can he have an awareness rating of 78 and Sir Lewis gets over 90 and yet he rarely makes mistakes?! That doesn't make sense
The Problem with sim games is the talent files are all over the place. A driver who sits at the back of the grid will sit at the front or win. There is a bias as a fan of Lewis Hamillton will over rate him despite the fact he is under performing. I race against fantasy drivers in fantasy cars on my PC because of this.
Yeah, I agree with a lot of people here, Charles's Pace should be the best one out of all the drivers. He is not my favourite driver overall, but you have to admit that in qualy he is mega
I think it’s reasonable that a lot are “under rated” in the game, because I think there needs to be a proper spread so that the AI performs where they should. What’s more important is having the drivers in the right order I think
The stream chat wars were insane for this 😂
The disrespect to stroll is crazy. How is Pierre above ocon. Ocon is like 81 rating
"I rate Gasly the same as I rate Albon"
I think Red Bull agrees with you on that
After Sainz at Canada quali, his awareness should be about 4
Miggy’s Ratings
1. Ver 95
2. Ham 93
3. ALO 93
4. LEC 91
5. RUS 91
6. OCO 88
7. Nor 88
8. Per 87
9. Sai 87
10. Gas 85
11. TSU 84
12. Alb 83
13. Mag 83
14. Hul 83
15. Bot 82
16. PIA 81
17. Zho 81
18. Str 80
19. Dev 76
20. Sar 72
21. DRU 75
22. Pou 73
23. Msc Ric & lat should be available
These are really good. Though I think either bring Charles and George up one. Or bring Lewis and Max and Fernando down one.
Being in chat and fighting over the vote was fun 🤣
Sargeant - 76
Albon - 84
De Vries - 73
Tsunoda - 84
Guanyu - 82
Bottas - 82
Hulkenberg - 83
Magnussen - 81
Piastri - 80
Norris - 90
Gasly - 86
Ocon - 88
Sainz - 89
Leclerc - 91
Stroll - 83
Alonso - 93
Russell - 91
Hamilton - 93
Perez - 89
Verstappen - 97
I genuinely think that Alonso's 78 Awareness rating is a mistake that slipped by. There is just no way.
There was that gridbox positioning issue, but if that takes such a toll, Lance stroll should have 3 awareness.
Its odd to see so many driver ratings increased in this tbh, i expected more drops in points
my ratings
Max 95
Alonso 92
Lewis 92
Charles 90
George 90
Lando 90
Checo 89
Carlos 89
Ocon 86
Gasly 85
Stroll 84
Bottas 84
Albon 84
Tsunoda 84
Zhou 83
Hulkenburg 83
Piastri 82
Magnussen 80
Nyck 76
Sargeant 76
After Alex's Montreal performance I wouldn't question you giving him a 99
Yeah Leclerc has a mistake in him. That issue makes 89 fair for him imo. But probably 90.
Naaah that's harsh imo, considering how he's literally the pace god
OG’s remember when this video included a card redesign
I understand differing opinions, but it genuinely makes sense as to why these are so bad, especially as i’ve seen fans come to a general consensus.
Putting carlos below lando is so crazy tbh.
Lando is not even close to Checo...
why not changing all of the stats, bc now its weird to have higher overall rating than what the stats are giving
Fernando is on the same level as Max. Let's be real. the dude is driving a wallmart red bull and has been beating Merc and ferrari.
Max 96-97 is fair enough, as long as Perez is 86-87. There's no way he's within 10 overall of Max
I am not exactly sure how the viewer polling worked since it's somewhat distorted and fast-forwarded. Did you poll the viewers after you showed them your rating? Because if you did I think showing your points rating and bringing arguments for it has most likely heavily influenced the viewers' ratings. I think it would have been better if you polled the viewers first and then show your rating for all of the drivers :).
Giving Hamilton the same as alonso 😂😂😂
As if they are not equal ? 😂😂😂
@@walter1824 considering they were level on 2007 and when Hamilton had the faster car from 2010-2013 alonso beat him in the championship all 4 seasons I think it’s fair for alonso to be ranked higher
The british bias is so high here, mainly with Lando. I'll never put him ahead of Sainz after being clapped in 2019, 2020 and 2021 with equal perfomance cars.
Hey Tommo, this might be a little bit of a stretch, but can you do a redesign of the Konnersport car in F1 23?
I think the way they rate them is based on drivers still being able to grow. In FIFA you had years Messi had like 6 99(nice) rated cards
Crazy how overrated Leclerc is. Have people seen where he is in the standings?
I think your ratings are spot on. Norris and Russell and pretty much equal.
1. Gasly and Ocon should either be both 86 or both 87. they cannot be separated at all imo
2. given the gap between Lando and Carlos when both were at McLaren i’d say they should only be 1 apart, probably 89 Carlos 90 Lando. Checo could easily be 89 too.
Lando has progressed since then and Icon is miles clear of Gasly
Breaking: Tommo's opinions are actually not washed
Debatable
Let's remember pretty much like FIFA, ratings evolve through the season. An 88 driver might end the season on 92.
Verstappen: 97
Alonso: 94
Hamilton: 93
Leclerc: 92
Russell:90
Norris: 90
Perez: 87
Sainz: 86
I love tommo, and I think he’s very fair, but I genuinely don’t believe that lando is better than Carlos. Carlos beat him every time he was at mclaren, and when he moved to Ferrari, he beat leclerc in his first season, was equal to him in the second half of 22, and is beating him now. I think he has the measure of lando.
in my opinion, this year rating lewis anything higher than 90, should be a crime
George and Lando are too high, I would give them an 89, Gasly's rating is criminally low, him, Ocon and Alex should all have an 88, and your rating of Max is too high, he should have a 94 too
Honestly hard to justify having max below a 99. He’s pretty much as perfect as you can get. I get why he’s a 97, but it’s really hard to point out an area where he’s not basically perfect
George is much closer to lewis if not level, so one is too low or one is too high. (Or both 92)
How's George close to lewis ?🙆🏾♂️😂😂😂
Fair point, George 93, Lewis 92
@@Joshw93 can't answer the question can ya😂😂😂😂
Oh, sorry, George higher position last full season, better one lap speed. Better wheel to wheel (but not great). Etc
I'm not saying Lewis is terrible before you play the victim card 😂
How Gasly can be worse than Esteban considering Gasly is 2-3 in races ( not including Bahrain or Australia (where Gasly was much faster) cuz 1 or both had a dnf) despite coming into a new car for this season is stupid to me.
And in spain too, p4 and was faster in race pace tamanho estaban.. pretty unfair, (bad pit stops)
The British bias is mental
tommo i was just about to go to sleep it’s borderline 5am how could you do this to me… i can’t just not watch this video right now
Goodnight
Alex should be 86
Not now Tommo. The Ashes are about to start!
Cricket is long
Made the change to hide your own stats way too late sadly.. just an echo chamber up to that point
Prime Sebastian Vettel(2009-2013)
Experience 65
Racecraft 93
Awareness 95
Pace 98
Overall 95 to 96😎
(Just wanted to do it guys pls don't hate)
It’s clear that people were basing their ratings on yours. Shouldve polled the audience before revealing yours
Is Max, Lewis, Nando and Charles the most stacked top 4 since mid 80s?
Prime Vettel, Prime Nando, Young Lewis and Prime Kimi was a really strong top 4 in the early 2010s. Add Button, Rosberg and Webber to that list and you have a pretty stacked list.
I will though say that the early 2000s and the mid 2010s was pretty weak compared to the 2020s and the early 2010s. In my opinion the strongest era of drivers was probably the 1960s(Clark, Stewart, Hill, Hill, Guerney, Brabham, McLaren, Surtees, Rindt, Hulme and a little bit of Moss)
It is though a shame that we have so many great drivers yet none of them can fight for wins and add to that the fact that so many young drivers won’t get a seat in F1(Theo, Vesti, Drugovich, Iwasa, Bearman and Lawson are all drivers who deserves a shot at F1)
@@usernamenotwrittenoutoflaz9865 yeah that 60s stretch was crazy. My mind went to Prost, Senna, Piquet, Mansell as the 4, but 2010 v8 era is a good contender
@@JackoVX the best top 4 is 100% between 1980s and the early 2010s. We still need a few years to see how the top 4 we have now pan out to truly rank them. The 60s top 4 isn’t as strong(the top 4 is probably Clark, Stewart, Brabham and Graham Hill), but they did have a very top heavy field with multiple drivers that could win WDC(i am pretty certain the 60s was the decade where the WDC was won by the most amount of drivers ever, to be fair this was mostly due to Jim Clark having horrible reliability problems). I will though say that we are currently in the era with the deepest driver roster. Just think of how many drivers deserves a F1 seat.
@@usernamenotwrittenoutoflaz9865 and even the drivers that "fail" F1 do. like Marcus Ericsson won and was runner up in Indy 500 last 2 years in a row
My ratings:
Verstappen 95
Alonso 93
Hamilton 93
Norris 91
Leclerc 91
Russell 91
Perez 89
Sainz 89
Ocon 88
Gasly 86
Bottas 84
Hulkenberg 84
Tsunoda 84
Albon 84
Magnussen 82
Zhou 82
Stroll 82
Piastri 81
De Vries 76
Sargeant 75
(I would put Piastri a lot higher as I really rate him, but as he’s a rookie I decided not to)
I have pretty much the same list except Piastri and Stroll has swapped their ratings and Charles should be 92 rated. Great list.
I really hate how F1 games give rookies and F2 drivers such a low rating, what makes it worse is the fact that the growth is so small that by the end of their 5th season a driver like Piastri will only be rated 83 or something, which is just stupid. FOIFA, Madden and NBA2K does this a lot better than F1 and F1 Manager.
@@usernamenotwrittenoutoflaz9865 that’s a very good list from you as well. I completely agree about the rookies, IMO Piastri should be around 84 on his actual level compared to other drivers but as he is a rookie they will give him a lot lower, which will make him unusable in the game.
@@tsjawesome6289 yeah it sucks the rookies are all useless(same goes for F1 manager). I do understand the rookies being some of the lower rated drivers, which is realistic, but the growth system in career mode needs to be improved to be like FIFA, where you can buy someone like Gavi and he can turn into a 90 rated in 2 years
I don't see how you can have more than one points difference between Hamilton and Russell, considering Russell beat him in 2022. There isn't much to split them, apart from experience.
Hamilton is being carried by his history, which I guess is not completely unfair
Probably because Hamilton had exactly 5 million and 41 sensors all over his car in the first couple races. Hamiltons definitely better than Russell, albeit not by a huge margin.
As the more experienced driver, Lewis had to carry out testing duties since he provides more reliable feedback, while George's objectives were to find his groove and not to fall behind Lewis. At the end of the day, Lewis is still better than George, although not by far. Amazing how a 38 year old Lewis is still competitive though, he is still a top 3 driver on the grid alongside Max and Fernando.
@@bigjamal5229 Exactly. The margin was really close between them so I don't know how Lewis can be four points higher.
@@bigjamal5229 its so sad how often this excuse is brought up
Funny how the viewers either agreed, or rated them lower than you did except for Verstappen, which is the only driver you rated lower.
ah but you've missed the most heinous mis-rating of all: Villeneuve being superior in every stat to Hakkinen+Mansell
What’s with the blocks cards music lmao
Too high. Gworge 90 plus is too much inflation
I know we’re not debating this but Alonso awareness 78 is just criminally low…
Alonso is by far has the best awareness out of all F1 drivers. I mean who else watched a live broadcast of himself racing…
Hi Tommo, I enjoyed the video! However, it felt sort of like a short summary of you just saying what you think your rating was and what the viewers think. I feel like you could explain a bit more (maybe the individual stats that you do/don’t agree with), and that would make the video even better! If that’s not the way you want to do it, you obviously shouldn’t. Your videos slap anyways ❤ Just thought I’d give my two cents!
How can you give Leclerc the same rating as Alonso or Hamilton, when he makes many more mistakes, and his racevraft is not as good
I made my own ratings and apart from 1 or 2 points here and there, it's exactly the same as yours, altough some are a little a bit high imo. For exemple Norris shouldn't be higher than a 90 and both Haas drivers and Nyck De Vries should be a little lower imo. I'm a Perez fan myself and I completely agree with the 88 and leveled with Sainz. He has had a few bad weekends lately but people seem to forget how good he actually is. Not many drivers would've pulled off what he did in the Sakhir GP a few years ago. F1 fans just love hating on everyone as soon as they can. Sainz, Perez, Hamilton, Russel and Verstappen only have to make 1 mistake to be called washed nowadays
I think Carlos deserves a bit more, just seeing relative to some of the other drivers, like If George is 91 I’d consider Carlos to be his equal or probably one point lower, two would be harsh, three is a bit far fetched.
Also in what world is Lando 2 points better than Sainz, in their time at McLaren Carlos was faster and neither of the two has proven anything significant enough to suggest a difference of 2 points especially in Carlos’s disadvantage
Didn't rate Charles 99 on Delusion and Patience, I'm afraid your ratings are pretty inaccurate Tommo.
I think it has to be said that the unequal cars are still a huge factor in all this. I suspect that if they were all plunked down in identical cars this list wouldn't be anything like it is now.
if every driver (except Max and Checo) drove the old Bahrain spec RB19, I think Alonso will beating both Max and Checo.
Next time you should get chats rating first because your rating probably influences chats
78 awareness for Alonso, in monaco he was racing in p2 while watching stroll on the big screen, come on now, codemasters pull these numbers out of their asses
Idk how to feel about the drivers being equal to the level of cars they drive 🤷♂️
Max winning every race by 20s + top in all practices quali and race but get 3 plus than Charles that makes mistakes every single race and has around 50 points in the championship 😂😂😂😂
I do not like the fact Esteban seems to have a flawed history with other drivers, BUT I think he deserves an 88 and because of his awareness, As of last year and this year, He has been working with engineers to correct sim and potential set up problems and also got the podium on Monaco because of his awareness. I do not see the same driver from India Racing anymore. Less accidents and more points as we continue.
Gasly should be a bit lower. I like all your other ratings.
I assume the rating change as we experience the drivers racing at different tracks. So its safe to assume the correlation at Behrain and Logan is way higher than DeVries because of their placement at that race. I think De Vries may be a bit over rated coming in, BUT He is definitely more experienced than a rookie!
Gasly low key should be higher, him and Ocon are close on pace so it doesn't make sense to give him a lower score, both should have an 88, along with Alex
@@elvincitore1512 Ocon has 10 points more and he has a podium currently(Ocon 25, Gasly 10). I do think they are close and you can say Pierre is learning a new car in a new team. Renault powertrain. In no way do I mean that he should be way lower than what they rated him at all! I just think f1 was gracious to give him that score in correlation to his results on track.
This video is great, although I think the controversial parts were the individual stats.
EA has watched one season of F1