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Windows 8's backlash could've been avoided by having a checkbox at the start of installation/setup if you were operating on a PC or tablet, with PCs defaulting to the standard desktop and start menu. Problem instantly solved.
If its actually being installed it would be safe to assume its a desktop. Thats why I was so scared when people thought tablets were going to take over. To put it in the word of leister from GTA "locked down restricted access crap"
For me the app-fication of programs (such as the aforementioned Skype, among many others) was the deal-breaker, not the impractical tiled menu by itself.
I still care about removing the headphone jack... I just prefer wired connections over bluetooth, and the ability to charge your phone in the car and be connected to an aux cord is one of those things you don't consider until you need it and can't use it.
I'm a sound engineer by trade and a built-in headphone jack is essential for me. I also couldn't count the number of times I've been asked if I have the adaptor for an iPhone.
The removal of the headphone jack was definitely the wrong move and is still missed today. I don't think people have seen the light, more that they've just accepted that they're not getting it back.
It's still standard on low-end and mid-range phones, and tbh most people don't need a flagship. I just think the people who buy flagships are able to justify the lack of it with stuff like "it allows the phone to be thinner" or "wireless headphones are fine anyway."
@@kfcnyancat I always wonder who exactly was asking for thinner phones beyond a certain thinness to begin with, but I guess they need to market somehow.
I dunno, i'm seeing more and more heaphone jacked lineups again, three years ago looking for a 3.5mm jack would give me like fifty models of midrange to choose from, nowadays there's a couple hundred.
I was in middle school when Windows 8 rolled out and our school had a program where we were each provided a laptop (rare back then) and did almost all of our work on them. I remember just the constant frustration from both students and teachers because basically nobody knew how to use a computer anymore. A few months later they had everyone leave their laptop at school over the weekend and we came back on Monday with Windows 7 installed.
Loool this just makes me think, Wow what a stupid school! They couldn't figure out the windows key on the keyboard opens the start menu, and that the windows key+D keyboard shortcut makes it go back to the desktop? Either that or just find the little desktop tile to go to the desktop, and put the mouse cursor in the corner for the start screen. It was so easy. And I loved the new and refreshed design than the old outdated start menu. They got rid of the start menu now anyway in windows 11, so there was literally no reason to bring it back in windows 10
All they should have done in windows 8 is just provide a start button and an all programs button... ...which they did anyway in windows 8.1. So it was sorted after that. I don't know why people kept complaining But yeah, it's amazing that your school couldn't figure this out. Obviously windows was supposed to be usable. So the school was supposed to Google how it was supposed to work if they couldn't figure it out themselves. And then they would have realised that it was easy. Literally no reason to go back to outdated Windows 7
A LOT of people still care about the headphone jack, nearly everyone I talk to. They just can't do anything about it. We had ONE port used for audio and headphones across all devices (ok 2.5 and 3.5mm and some use usb) and everyone got headphones they love for that one port, they can use on any phone, any laptop, tablet, desktop, console, any device at all. And apple cut it to save manufacturing, improve waterproofing and force wireless on people
"Windows 8 was trying to move people over to an environment they just didn't want." And this would define Microsoft's MO for the following ten years: forcing things on users and taking things out of their control.
@@zaneheaston8254 I am amazed that thing sold a single unit after the PR nightmare prerelease. "Never go on vacation again or we'll lock your console! Don't you want one?"
@@zaneheaston8254 you're too right, though. I have one and it was a lovely, lovely present from my fiancée and I've had a hell of a lot of fun on it. But I've had a hell of a lot of headaches with it. They force cloud save storage on you, which on two occasions rather than being a "data safety feature" has actually wiped my saves on two different games. It's still got no opt-out. They force Edge browser on you. Who the hell browses on a console? Not me. But there's no opt-out, so it's uselessly sitting there eating space. At first, you could view your screenshots offline. Now you can't! Gotta be online. No explanation. Updates every single bloody time I go online with it and takes bloody ages (especially in the verification stage - longer than the download and installation stage combined maybe even twice-over!). Why? I've got no bloomin' clue. There's even considerable menu lag now, it's done so much rearranging the furniture. I don't know what was supposed to be so wrong with how it worked before all the updates. It ran games. Games Sony didn't buy out exclusivity for, that is. But plenty of really fun games. It did what it was supposed to do, I just wish that was all it did.
Nah.. Once you go wireless you never go back to the wired dirtybuds. removing the jack was the right call... that was rather late too.. bt headsets existed since at least 2004, but they never evolved fast because the technology wasn't adopted by the masses. You see phones/pdas all had these 3.5mm ports and people stuck with it because that's what they already knew and it worked, but that was at the cost of poor user experience such as tangled wires, wires frequently breaking, overall annoying setup of having to route the cable under the shirt each time you use the buds, so it wouldn't catch into everything you pass(even that wasn't good enough because that small exposed portion of wire, that coming out the shirt and into the pocket would still occasionally catch into a corner of an object and that was always painful when it happened). when companies finally started to remove jacks, people had no choice but to try the superior alternative or have yet another annoying thing to plug in... most chose the first option and now nearly nobody cares if the jack is gone
@@beardsntools You know that earbuds are NOT the only use for headphone jacks? I need one to connect my phone to my guitar amp to play backing tracks while I play guitar, and also, you don't have to charge wired headphones + they have no delay
@@beardsntools "Once you go wireless, you never go back to wired" Yeah, no. I have wireless headphones and they're great, but I also have a pair of wired ones. One cannot replace the other for my needs. The wireless ones are great for convenience and it having ANC, but the wired ones just smash it in terms of sound quality.
the headphone jack and floppy drives are two completely different things. one was a slow storage device in a time where faster storage was more easily accessible. the other is a way of connecting an audio deivce to another device without needing set up bluetooth any time you want to use it one device, then another and back or worrying about your audio device running out of battery, or it yelling at you for its last hour of battery life that it has "low battery" usually cutting off all audio and at max volume regardless of what volume you have it set to.
Honestly, Modern Apple seems to just be about seeing what they can get away with removing, like the home button. I'm sorry, but the face cam is nowhere near as easy to use as just putting a finger on the home button.
Right? It is such a friggen techbro thing to say to be like "No one cares anymore, all the other companies did it and people don't complain"/ People aren't complaining because we have no other choice! Believe me, when i had to replace my phone I hunted down one with a real headphone jack, and I am dreading replacing this one. It's literally just another way to squeeze money from customers.
@ember9361 But the point is that you shouldn't have to get a specialized (especially in the case of Apple with lightning) dongle to use headphones. They didn't replace the aux with anything, they just removed it and said "Look how brave we are". And then samsung followed suit because they realized they could get away with it. Mark my words, with Apple being forced to switch to USB-C, it won't be long before they remove the charging port. Then we'll all be forced to use wireless charging, which can never be as efficient as plug charging.
@@andrewarnold9818true. Most people think these big companies are at their mercy, when in reality it's the opposite. "The customer isn't always right, The customer is just as it is a customer".
What always bums me out with Win8 is that it was SO GOOD on smart phones for the vast majority of things casual users do, but the failure of that UI translating to desktops and Android and iOS both working on large and small screens killed Windows phone despite just how much dev support it got from the start.
Right, just with Windows Mobile, they had it all in the bag and blew it (Windows Mobile was admittedly a lot more successful than Windows Phone, obviously). Windows Mobile really was the Android of its day, open, extremely customizable and more utilitarian than "user friendly". And then Windows Phone came, which started out as the best of both worlds... Then crashed and burned.
The failure of the UI didn't kill the Windows Phone. It even got a version of windows 10 phone which was really promising and supported the desktop feature and what not. If they didn't shut it down we could have had it today. The problem with it was the Microsoft didn't know how to handle it properly. They didn't want it to end up like android at the time with tons of unchecked shady apps but they also didn't want to be completely locked centrally controlled ecosystem like iOS so they tried to go somewhere in the middle. Phone developers that wanted to adopt Windows Phone had to check some criteria Microsoft gave them to ensure it will run well and that actually wasn't a bad move but then App developers had to go through some licensing process and had a strict rules for UI design and what not and that was not so smart. App developers didn't want to deal with that for a platform with small market share and people didn't want to buy phone that has no apps and that led to the downfall. Microsoft should have approached it better but they had this dude that also made the Zune disaster and realised all the market opportunities too late and was all straight up incompetent. Check out some of the last windows phone 10 devices, they were really cool. If it continued we could have had another alternative to Google overlord and maybe that desktop in phone feature would be actually useful. Now we just sadly have to wait for the raise of Linux on Phones to do that.
@@MrMozkoZrout WHY MICROSOFT WHY DID YOU DO THAT windows phone is the best phone os ever, killed by lack of apps. I still have a lumia 640lte with windows phone 8.1 as my secondary phone and I love it. Also shame they removed whatsapp. And shut down the ms store.
The statement that nobody cares anymore couldn't be more untrue. I'm also pissed as hell you can't get a phone with a jack without making compromises anymore. I love true wireless buds, but the fact that I can't use any of my other headphones with my phone is incredibly annoying.
Samsung following suit pissed me the fuck off too tbh. Low key out of spite I'm going the Sony Xperia 1 route when my current phone eventually gives in. Besides, the specs that I would ACTUALLY use is present in Xperias.
Tiles were annoying, and it made the Windows symbol itself ugly, so I'll never forgive it. My dad installed it when I wasn't there, and I suffered through it until 8.1 made it a bit more manageable.
I made the mistake of buying it and installing it. I went back to Windows 7 as soon as I was able. Microsoft was so into the tablet craze that they forgot that full size computers are still a thing.
The worst part was they used the same touch friendly environment for the server version of Windows for no sensible reason. Using charms and crap over vnc or remote desktop, as you usually do for servers, was basically IT hell.
"People forgot about the headphone jack problem after the iphone" Yeah, that's a load of bull. Bluetooth has come a long way but the noticeable half a second delay in sound AND the still to this day absolutely ATROCIOUS level of battery drain will make sure wired connections will still be more preferred than "futuristic look ma' no wires!" crap the phone makers try to push. It's all so we'd buy their overpriced dongles. Also, no the iphone having no jack is NOT a problem that went away. I worked at an electronics retail chain and EVERY SINGLE DAY someone was asking for an iphone compatible usb-c to headphone adapter.
that shits actually so annoying i had a broken phone for half a year and when it was fixed i keep trying to plug my headphones in to a nonexistent hole
bro. i notice no delay in everysingle one of my bluetooth headphones, especially my xm4s. dont over exagerate things just to prove a point. the last paragraph would have been fine on its own
@@monarchu "Bro i don't have this problem meaning that this problem doesn't exist at all" That's all you contributed to this discussion, i don't have to overexaggerate when i speak from everyday personal experience.
16:23 I still haven't gotten over this. I find it really dumb that mid tier to budget phones are more user friendly than $1000 phones that should have all the features a smartphones have. The fact that if I ever got, say, a Galaxy S21, and I'd have to throw away my perfectly functioning earbuds and buy bluetooth ones is dumb in my eyes.
It's also crazy how my mid tier/budget from 2016 has a better camera than a lot of mid tier/budget phones from 2019. Also doesn't have a notch, has a selfie flash and uses the right aspect ratio.
Tbf, as a once-owner of a Windows Phone, the tiles were so amazing there and I still miss them. But Microsoft should have kept them faaaaar away from desktop.
Titles should have stay away from windows or Microsoft should have put the titles in touchscreen mode where only titles shows and no desktop so is would be user friendly to touchscreen than it would be still in window 8 to 8.1 when did people ask for the start button to be removed so you just added it back in 8.1 Microsoft forgot to remove old Policy on group policy I got a policy stay turn off windows store I did and nothing happened to the store
I was in my first year of uni when windows 8 hit morale like a freight train. After the forced auto update I walked into the cafeteria and multiple people were having emotional breakdowns. I wasn't the only one who had a shit ton of files erased. It was...awful. It wasn't just people who didn't save their work and lost it to the forced shut down.
@@Tendo641 I can and I refuse to buy Bluetooth headphones. My ten year old wired ones still sound better than anything I could get for under 200 bucks wireless.
@@riponrip4574 Easy for you to say, you probably already own one. I'm not going out to buy an extra accessory just so I can use my headphones. Also it's annoying to have to plug in _two_ things when I'm going out with my headphones. Suddenly now there's two points that the headphones can pull out of, and what's going to happen if I lose the adapter whilst getting off the bus?
The real reason windows versions tend to alternate from good to bad to good again is cause one version tries to fix what isn’t broken and then the next fixes what was broken
And now with windows 11 being a mix of both. The looks in my opinion is way better than 10. The start menu has moved to the middle but there's still an option to revert it back. The decision to replace the right click menu to more simplified one is not a good one. But the new "file explorer tabs" feature is probably one of the best innovation they have made. Now we can stack multiple file windows without overcrowding the desktop
@@alieffauzanrizky7202as someone who dislikes all of those, I am even more pissed that it disconnects the battery when updating on a laptop, causing its own corruption by updating withouth saying anything in the 5 second window of closing my laptop and unplugging it from the wall.
16:18 I was with you until you started simping for the removal of features because of "muh technology advancement". Speaking as a frequent Bluetooth user, I still refuse to use any device so comfortable in removing connections as ubiquitous and basic as a headphone jack, that's like buying a computer with no USB slots.
@@SpinTheWords Ok would you buy a car with motion controls instead of physical because "it's more advanced" or do you want a car that actually works very reliably without needing an internet connection, a bodysuit and a camera with a perfectly unobstructed view of you at all times? Because you're now advocating that everyone be forced to use more expensive temperamental devices that require their own battery supply, can be easier to lose and can have audio delays as opposed to also having the option of using the tried and true ubiquitous technology. You should start advocating for the removal of USB ports while you're at it.
Exactly. Bluetooth is convenient, but I always want the option of using the jack. Like If I'm walking on campus or doing dishes, then yeah, I want bluetooth so I'm not going to get caught on anything. And because I am busy with other stuff, I'm going to be busy while the music is playing so I'm not going to be an audiophile. But when I'm listening for enjoyment or I'm using my phone in a long call, I stick with wired because it is more reliable. Heck, I've even bought into Dankpod's KZ recommendation. It is so nice to be able to swap the headphone drivers themselves between a bluetooth set and wired. So that is even less loss of quality on my end. I want both because I frequently use both!
@@SpinTheWords Eh, removing the jack was never really for the advancement of tech. The tech was already there and well-refined. Companies just needed a reason to push a new trend of wireless buds. It's not as simple as floppy drives because CDs were pretty much superior in basically every arena. 3.5mm jacks vs. Bluetooth isn't so clear cut because they each have very clear pros and cons. Bluetooth is convenient but has a latency penalty alongside the typical issues you have with a 2.4GHz wireless connection. The 3.5mm jack can be a bit to faff about because cables but it does allow for mostly latency-free audio and generally allows for a much higher quality assuming it is paired with a stout DAC/amp combination. There's a reason I have wired and wireless headphones. They're both great for their own respective cases but one cannot replace the other because they each have very distinct pros and cons.
My initial reaction to Windows 8 was confusion. I thought I'd messed up and bought the wrong version or something since the familiar Windows layout had been replaced with tablet style mystery meat navigation.
That's one of the most subtle UI design burns I've seen in a while. Nicely done! I personally have no problem with 8 or 8.1 besides the fact that my Surface 2 is basically useless now.
personally, i like windows 8. The full screen start menu was a pretty cool thing to me. But i feel like the Windows 10 full screen start is WAY better.
I legit just watched your M.E. video and thought "huh, wonder when he's gonna make a video on Windows 8?" Then like an hour later this dropped lol. Great video!
People who dismiss the lack of a headphone jack have never had to deal with a long road trip in a car with no bluetooth support. Or, in my old phone's case, a car that only supports a version of BT my phone's last version of Android dropped support for. If not for my Aux cable, I would have had to use my phone as the worst portable boombox ever.
My early Prius has bluetooth, but only for calling. Not for general audio play. I rock the cellphone boombox cause I'm not interested in purchasing an adapter. At the least, the speakers are nice and loud.
Metro/Modern UI wasnt even the worst thing about Win8. The worst thing was that Microsoft was seriously planning to use that UI style for Windows Server.
@mikaeldk5700 Still, it wasn't because Microsoft planned to use the UI specifically for server, but instead because server and client share most of the same files. Windows Server 2012 is the same build number as Windows 8 and Windows Server 2012 R2 is the same build number as Windows 8.1. Server 2016 and 2019 used the Windows 10 builds of the time, and Server 2022 ended up getting caught in the middle of a preview cycle and had a post-10, pre-11 branch go to stable for that version, carrying the Windows 10 UI because the Windows 11 UI had yet to be unveiled.
People not caring about the headphone jack is not because we "understand" or are fine with it. It's more so a "ffs, they don't listen, why do we still complain" thing. I'd HATE if I got a new phone and suddenly I could no longer use the wired headphones I already have for my PC. Only reason I might forgive it is if they include *very high quality* wireless headphones/earbuds on any phone that dropped the headphone jack.
When my last phone gave up on me I ended up having to choose a weaker phone than something else I could afford while paying a lot more just because I wanted a headphone jack.
Sony includes their premium BT earphones during their Xperia preorders. Which is double hilarious since they actually DO have the headphone jack on said phones.
@@Spearra That’s for making people buy their Xperia phones. The smartphone division of Sony is literally failing without proper press And limited user experience
@@Cynderfan35 Same, I tried to use the default start menu in 10 for years but it wasn't doing it for me, so I installed openshell and reverted it back to W7 style and it's been amazing! Am hoping openshell eventually supports W11 too
Same here. Never even tried Windows 8, but my mother had it and just watching her use it discouraged me. I wanted a PC that felt like a PC. Not a damn tablet. Especially on desktop. Windows 11 seems to have a lot of problems too so I may be skipping that for Windows 12 as well. Who knows. Still not as bad as Windows 8 though.
The entire staff had to re learn how to use the computer, however simple Win8 was to use. Many of us had become entrenched in many automatic hand/eye/Brain shortcuts while using Windows 7 that productivity almost ground to a halt when we had to do so many things differently.
*This argument has been beaten to death but...* Apple removed the headphone jack to promote AirPods _not_ because of aging tech. It's no coincidence that all the other phone manufacturers that remove their headphone jacks also had their own brand of wireless earbuds to promote. In 2023 (a year after this video was made), headphones that use the 3.5 mm jack are still being sold everywhere and new non-flagship phones as well as all laptops still include the jack.
At some point it was said that the jack must go so they can make thinner devices... well. I had a S10 which was fairly thin, and had the aux jack. And now I got myself a sell-out bargain S23FE which is almost two S10's worth of thickness and has no jack. By device size, they could almost have fit in a 6,3mm jack. I think, but it's just me, that one reason the jack had to go is so that people don't record their streaming services through the analog hole - like there weren't easier ways to illegally acquire music for offline playback.
@@jussikuusela7345 the simple issue with the smartphone market is that there is no originality in it, everybody's just copying whatever bullshit apple comes up with next. you see it in the headphone jack, you see it in the notch and you see it in the glued in batteries, if apple does it and stupid apple users buy it because they're fucking masochists, every other manufacturer will start doing the same thing and their user base will just have to live with it because there are no alternatives because they're all copying apple.
I had such a great experience with Windows 7 that Windows 8 was the one OS I never could use on a permanent basis. I did end up using 8.1, along with a third-party shell replacement. But the Windows 8 experience was just horrific to me. The jarring nature of being thrust either into the Start screen or back to the Desktop made it seem like 2 separate operating systems. I like Windows 10
it does help that in 8.1 you can get Most of your start menu back by Right-clicking the start windows button on the screen. Just gotta train yourself to never actually press the windows key.
I still use Windows 7, both in my desktop and laptop. I've had 3 Windows 10 laptops, every single one was stolen. The windows 7 laptop was also stolen, but the battery was so lousy the thief actually returned it. Future versions only got bigger, uglier, and generally less compatible. Win 11 and 10S I refuse; less ability to use programs I want, and too much corporate control or spying. I also would not buy any computer with a tiny hard drive that relies on using a Cloud. Windows 8 did nothing that was good. Windows Defender is NOT Malwarebytes. Having it built into Windows 10 required me to go through a great ordeal to disable it so that I could run programs I wanted without having them deleted.
I remember when it came out people at my school tried to make me a it person with no pay no fuck off it was kinda of weird see people not know how to use 8 when the ui was just a phone and tablet ui but man use 8 buggy trash 8.1 was miles better
@@trashsombra2793 I never really understood the hate for 8. I mean I understand it was a different UI, but most of it seemed to be people violently overreacting to the Start Menu not stuck in the bottom left side of the screen. The Charms bar was actually a step in the right direction (functionally similar to the Mac OS adaptive top menu bar, just about the only thing Apple got right) but the failure of 8 really killed it. So many people were too scared to learn something slightly new or different. I mean the worst thing about 8/8.1 was that it looks like it was designed for a kid's tablet, like Leapfrog or whatever and the bright Start Menu looks genuinely silly in a business environment (which is probably where I used it most, lol. I used a keyboard and mouse, too).
I was in middle school when I was using Windows 8, and I didn't particularly dislike it. The start menu was confusing though, but I got used to it over time. In some ways I liked the new start menu. It almost made my laptop feel like a game console, especially with the Xbox integration. Windows 10 was a breath of fresh air and was way easier to understand though, and I haven't really gone back since.
"...unmitigated disaster that could decidedly hurt Microsoft and its future." Who thought a post from 9 years ago could've been so relatable still today
Companies need to know that any change in User Interface will likely cause a backlash. I should not constantly keep memorizing new places to find the off button as I keep upgrading my OS to the newest version.
Never underestimate the staying power of a form factor. PC sales have been growing. This shows that PCs are not under threat. Most PCs just weren't in need of upgrading until recently. PCs are the perfect platform for power. No mobile device can compete on power. Not for any significant length of time.
And they never will. Just by size, if a microprocessor as powerful as a modern computer is ever developed in a size apt for a mobile, a computer will be able to implement ten of those without problem. It will have no trouble with energy input, size or heating
@@staringgasmask Same reason why notebooks are always a compromise between size and power. Even a notebook can use it's size to have better hardware and better heat dissipation than a mobile device.
Not to mention that it doesn't matter how powerful a tablet is, its limitation is always going to be form factor and input methods. You just can't get away from the fact that you still can't get any proper work done without a decent size screen, physical keyboard, and a mouse. I've got a Windows 10 tablet that is plenty powerful on the hardware side of things for what I intended to use it for... except multitasking is horrible and almost non-existent, the virtual keyboard takes up half the screen, and you can't hit small icons or perform more intricate actions with a finger.
>apple removing headphone jack >people dont care anymore im sure thats not true for a LOT of people but ok yes thats all i wanted to comment on, bluetooth audio is just NOT as good as wired
The Sony Xperia 1 iii sold hella units in China too. Which is a flagship that has the jack. So to say there's no demand for it borderlines as dismissive. (The ladder if which is VEEERY common with die hard BT fans I've noticed. Except in their case, it is outright hostile AND dismissive)
Bluetooth sacrifices mic quality, longevity, and low latency for convenience. I think wireless headphones are nice but the reliability of a cable will probably never be beaten.
16:32 Strongly disagree. People would have used it, but when you cut support and ability to access to certain product for very long time - people starting to accept to never having it back and forget. Natural death and murder are 2 different things
Yeah I still only buy phones that have phone jacks, I prefer my headphones over uncomfortable ear pieces that can occasionally disconnect and also run out of battery and can compromise audio quality
I still use Windows 7, both in my desktop and laptop. I've had 3 Windows 10 laptops, every single one was stolen. The windows 7 laptop was also stolen, but the battery was so lousy the thief actually returned it. Future versions only got bigger, uglier, and generally less compatible. Win 11 and 10S I refuse; less ability to use programs I want, and too much corporate control or spying. I also would not buy any computer with a tiny hard drive that relies on using a Cloud. Windows 8 did nothing that was good. Windows Defender is NOT Malwarebytes. Having it built into Windows 10 required me to go through a great ordeal to disable it so that I could run programs I wanted without having them deleted.
Floppy discs were still available on windows computers for years after. Our school still had them when I graduated in 2004. But floppy discs had 1.44mb of space on them. They were becoming pain even by the end of the 90s. By 2001, we were about as likely to try our luck emailing a file to each other than try fitting it on a floppy disc.
@@hjf3022 floppy disk and their successor laserdisk have one thing in common: it was a *physical copy* and not an app or a digital cloud save - meaning no one from digital corporations, microsoft or hackers can take it away, alter your information/content. Over the past there lots of movies, music, videos, animation, games, personal files and software has been accumulated and saved on disks. Pretty sure many of us who posses these would like have access to them.
I switched to Windows 8 at the time because I simply wanted to be up to date. The new Home menu took a lot of getting used to. That's why I was happy when programmes like Classic Shell became available that brought back the familiar Windows look. As I remember, the apps from the Windows Store were vastly inferior to the normal programmes. To this day, I ignore the Windows Store wherever possible. Windows 8 may have gotten better over time. But I quickly switched to Win 10 when it came out. Just as I did from Vista to 7.
Yes the apps where indeed inferior. I remember the app version of skype had quite a few functionalities removed, such as screensharing (and others that I don't remember). Windows 8's UI would have been good in the 90's when multitasking wasn't very common due to technical limitations (computing power and screen sizes). The whole point of "Windows" was to be able to have multiple Windows open side by side. Going fullscreen on every app in 2012 was just dumb.
I remember being tasked with the job of replacing the computers in computer classes around the campus at the school I worked at at the time. My most common complaint was the lack of the start button, as soon as you told them to use the windows key they went "oh ok" and they were pretty much fine with 8 after that. Personally I liked 8 apart from the visual style. Still, Microsoft definitely should've simply made a different edition for tablets instead of combining everything into one. Or just some kind of setting that allowed you to pick a more tablet friendly UI
I believe if Microsoft just didn't at least hide the Taskbar with a visible Start button while the Start screen is opened, there will be less resistance to Windows 8. Sure people may still complain, but it will be alot less and not as confusing. I think the reason why people get confused is when they login, there is NO Taskbar which is a visual thing about Windows, without it people will get confused how to get around. Start screen basically acts like a Desktop icons anyways, which majority of people use than the Start itself when opening apps. So if the user gets around the Tiles, it's not that bad for them and some may even prefer it for many different reasons (bigger target to open, larger icons and text, Live Tiles giving info, etc) Also All Apps is stupidly hidden ON windows 8, but they addressed it and make it visible on 8.1 just like on Windows Phone 7 which is release way earlier. That one is probably one of the really stupid thing that I don't understand why hide it when Windows Phone 7 had it always visible.
Let me make this even worse. They actually did make a separate version of win8 for tablets. It was used on like 1 or 2 of the budget tier Surface tablets. It couldnt run any native windows programs and wasnt eligible for the win10 upgrade. It is unbelievably terrible compared the normal win8.
I remember getting a laptop with Windows 8 when it was new. My thoughts on it are broadly the same as those outlined as public opinion in this video. It was very clunky for a traditional PC user like me, and as mentioned, I not only had no interest in a tablet, but I didn't and don't like touchscreen interfaces. So many of the changes actively inconvenienced me as a user, and made me wish that I could go back to what's still my favorite Windows- 7. Of course, my family couldn't justify buying the downgrade, so I was stuck with it. I managed, but I wasn't happy about it. I remember when 8.1 was released, and here's my reaction: "Oh well, at least this is marginally usable now." Later, when I got my Dad's old desktop, still running 7, I stubbornly clung to using it until the day its support was discontinued. My experiences with 8 led me to distrust its descendant, Windows 10. I don't mind Windows 10 now that I've used it, but it does still have that layer of mandatory account linking and automated features that irk me. "At least it's not Windows 8."
I remember buying a laptop which had W8 on it, I hated so much that I preferred to lose the warranty for altering the OS rather than staying with such unstable and inefficient OS.
Well, good thing there is Linux just in case Microsoft messes up too hard... again. Then again, they do have a record of learning from their mistakes...
@@ozzcoremidmx8287 The OS is actually stable and efficient, waay better Kernel than Windows 7, UI is hot garbage. I also had the bad luck of owning a high end 17.3 inch laptop released in 2012 or 2013 that had Windows 8, fortunately Windows 10 saved it and the Core i7-4700MQ beast that it has inside. Man, Windows 8 sucked so badly by that UI, Windows 10 is light years better.
I remember buying a laptop that came with Windows 8, and immediately feeling disgusted by it. It was so unintuitive. I got classic shell as soon as I found out about its existence.
A lot of people have made the comments about the headphone jack line, so I'll take it a step further and say that exact mentality "Ignore criticism, users will get over it eventually" is toxic to tech and it's getting increasingly present in the design philosophies of many companies.
What I remember about Windows 8 was how cumbersome it was to do simple things. Like shutting down - I think that option was buried in a side-drawer. If you want to run an application, you had to hunt for it in the Start Screen. I just found it easier to enter a search query whenever I wanted to run something. Windows 8.1 improved upon it a little bit - at least it brought back the Start button, which had a new feature where you can right-click it to access basic functions
My only real exposure to Windows 8 was during my A+ certification training, but I agree that Microsoft made the wrong bet on which way the tech winds were blowing -- after all, even tablets are now becoming more laptop-like, with the fairly common adoption of add-on keyboards, pointing devices, and even Bluetooth game controllers by tablet aficionados.
You forgot to mention that all the new apps didn't initially had a close button, and there was no Taskbar! it worked like a smartphone where you had to go to the start menu to use another app , except that even in smartphones in that time the navigation bar was always visible 😂
Urmmm there was still a task bar. Just no start button ...but they brought it back in windows 8.1. So it was fine after that. I don't know why people still hated on 8.1.
It was annoying as heck trying to turn off your PC with Windows 8, there's no start button, no indicator how to get to the power off option, so I had to crtl + alt + del to bring up the task manager screen which had the power icon in the button corner to turn off my PC. EVERY. SINGLE. TIME! Once they updated to Windows 8.1 with the task bar back, it wasn't as ANNOYING, but still! The task bar and start button shouldn't have been basically removed in the first place.
@@cocodojo actually there was a power button if you open the pop in menu from the right side and click settings. And even if you didn't find that, you could just sign out to the log in screen and there was another power button there. And if you didn't want to do all that, you could just press the power button on your computer itself and it would shutdown as long as you had it set to that
@@marioluigi9599 That was the first few weeks of me getting Windows 8, there was nothing indicating you could've done any of that at the time, information about the system was basically 0, but ever since then when they finally rolled out the update to make windows 8.1, things have become much more reasonable.
@@cocodojo Yeah everyone was struggling, including me. I remember, I was struggling for the few minutes to get to the desktop lool. But after the first day I worked it all out and I was all good. It wasn't that bad
Windows 8 did have a few new features that were really missing in Windows 7. Like the new task manager, or my favourite, the ability to mount .ISO and .VHD files.
Even though I didn't like windows 8, I still like windows 8.1 due to it's interface looking like it's a mix of windows 7 and 10 (Except the start menu)
I used 8 and 8.1 on a laptop and used classicshell (now open shell) to get a proper start menu Still use OpenShell on 10 to this day, I will use the 2 panel start menu until I die
@@CaptainApathetic I'm using 8.1 as my main OS right now, and yeah, it ain't bad at all! Feels like a modern Windows 7. However, instead of OpenShell, in my case I went with StartIsBack+
@@polytelus I phrased that as if I meant windows 8 lol I meant I still use OpenShell. Have 11 installed on a separate drive but it needs a bit of a workaround to get functional but when I use Windows it's usually 10 Linux is my daily driver OS for most stuff
I remember back in 2012 and 2013 when my grandma got a new PC with Windows 8, as an 11 year old who knows the basics of using Windows, I was so confused how to use this thing. All I wanted to do was to go to MS Paint and draw, but finding Paint was a big hassle. I was of course very disappointed that my grandma replaced her Windows XP machine with this piece of junk known as Windows 8. Windows XP, Vista and 7 were my childhood, and knowing how to use those OS's were engraved to my brain ever since I learned how to use the start button! :D Windows 8.1 is actually good though, I was talking about the original Windows 8.
When I was way younger, my older sister decided to let me “borrow” her Windows 8 computer to play games. She let me make my own Microsoft account, download any games, and use it whenever I liked. I loved that computer and I remember that version of Windows fondly. It was so different from my mother’s 2008 Mac Leopard or my school’s Windows 7 desktops and my child self found satisfaction in the variety. I thought it was so cool that it looked so modern and futuristic; I loved changing the backgrounds and playing around on the menu. I would play Minion Run or the My Little Pony world builder game avidly; it was amazing to a small child. At some point, my sister did ask for her computer back (I used it so much and constantly kept it with me, it was more like my own) and I received a Windows 10 HP a few years later. Even though it receives a lot of criticism, I’ll always have a special place in my heart for Windows 8. Whenever I hear the Windows 7/8 startup sound, my heart breaks. 💖
@@jdcs._ Strongly disagree. Windows 8 was the very definition of "Inadequate". I understand your sentiment, though. Microsoft like a crazy wife-beater that you have to keep going back to.
I skipped 8 cause it sucked just that bad and was used to vista and 7. Windows 7 was just that good. Also I turned on the startup sound on my windows 10
What threw me off with Windows 8 was the removal of the Start Menu, and that it booted directly to that fullscreen apps tile list. But I ended on keeping using it because I had no choice and it grew on me. Windows 10 was definitely their saving grace.
I was a kid when windows 8 realeased, and being curious as hell, till this day I have nice memories of it because my 9 year old self loved that piece of invencionice. I'm 20 now, and I would hate to use that os again, but at the time it was really important, not only it made me learn how to install and uninstall an os, that was my first ever experience actually learning something about computers, but it made me realise that changing things in the computer its not only a feature but a must to anyone who wants to use the machine at its fullest, well learn that as good as a 9 yo can learn, but for me it was important, created an interest that later grown to be really important in my life, and without windows 8's incoveniences I would have just keept my life going, playing League of Legends and never getting interested in computer science.
I installed Windows 8.1 again after years of using Windows 10, as it's still supported and perfectly compatible with modern software. Just because Windows 10's default UI is better suited to traditional PCs at launch doesn't mean that Microsoft hasn't made bad decisions with the feature updates of Windows 10 over the years. Feature updates that are frankly more suited to the mobile market than the PC market (once again). One of these changes that Microsoft made to Windows 10, that infuriates me to no end, was removing Control Panel settings and moving them to their universal Settings app, where they're significantly less in-depth and less intuitive. Another was reverting user changes back to defaults after every major update. So yes, while Microsoft did make the UI more friendly to PC users, the way it has treated the end-user is more reminiscent of how Apple and Google treat their mobile users.
Funniest most stupid sht is... The control panel is still there! it's the same as it's been since windows 95! but now windows has this dumbed down version of it on top, right now I make most of the things on the dumbed down version but if you want to make more "advanced" stuff there is this "advanced settings" options somewhere hidden in the win 10/11 config options which when clicked will bring you to... The old control panel! 😂 It's still there! And the deeper you go the more the old windows keep showing! I recently had a problem with my audio settings and it came a point where the thing I needed (the audio mixer) was after a ton of clicking, still the same old little window that has existed since the old days! And that is my complain since windows 8, instead of actually tweaking the ui, they just added a new one on top! You'd guess they would improve it over the years but win 11 came and the good old windows 95 is still there buried under a pretty ui...
I kind of can't stand Windows 10. Windows Defender is NOT Malwarebytes. Having it built into Windows 10 required me to go through a great ordeal to disable it so that I could run programs I wanted without having them deleted.
I may have been a few of the people who liked using 8 also on a traditional laptop without touchscreens. I just felt like the improvements made to the desktop side were great, and the apps, altough they would get better over time (especially in 8.1), were a bit clunky but offered interesting features.
Same here. I've got new laptop with Win8 shortly after its launch and it was perfectly fine for me. Win8.1 was even better, but 8 was good enough. This start menu finally made me use it properly and keep the desktop clean of shortcuts - they all moved to start menu, where they belong. Maybe I didn't dislike it because I've never used Win7, but jumped to 8 from XP?
The first laptop i got was with windows 8, i loved it and mainly the startup background whitch i still use to this day. I stayed with windows 8 till i somehow managed to delete the desktop button. I had to move over to windows 10 because at that time i didnt know windows 8.1 existed.
Right, Windows 8.1 is going to go down in history as very underrated, just like a fully patched Vista install (which looks beautiful and it's actually comparable to Windows 7 in stability). On that note, Windows 8 really was the Vista of its time. It started out trash, then turned out to be one of the best things they ever made, which evolved into the best overall release to date (Vsita went to Win7, 8.1 to 10).
Windows 8 was underrated. People hated it for things missing that were actually implented but just needed to be enabled... I hated Windows 8.1 though as it caused massive performance issues. Windows 8 was smooth, just needed a couple of days to be accustomed to it. The main issue with Windows 8 though was that a lot of softwares were just incompatible which torped Windows 8.
Highkey, I loved the user interface and design of windows 8. As someone who likes customizing their PC and just things in life in general, I thought it could have been a great customizable option to add some flair to your desktop. The downside I dealt with was not every app was fitted with cool tiles or tiles just didnt function right. I feel like had it had a lil more love, it could have been a great OPTION not the only one.
The most sensible way would have been keeping the start menu and have tiles at the same time. The concept of tiles is not bad, having all your most accessed programs, and stuff right at the front and easy access. But the start menu still contains nearly everything you need to use a pc, from launching programs to device manager can be accessed easily and with familiarity. Combining the two would have been genius, which is exactly what happened in win10. Nowadays, I seldom use start menu and have my most accessed programs in taskbar, when combined as a single icons for multiple instances makes multitasking so much easier. But if i ever need start menu to access some more obscure stuff, I can still use it. Heck, a fully fleshed out windows defender itself is a godsend and win8 should be praised for that alone.
I've used Windows 8.1 when it came out and i actually liked it It was more snappy, started way faster because of fast startup and it looked better than Windows 7 (or 10 lol) in Desktop mode. The only things I did were using Classic Shell and setting the system to boot on the desktop instead of the tiles. I compared Windows 10, Windows 8.1 and Windows 7 on a Core 2 Duo system and guess what: Windows 8.1 was the fastest
Agreed If you REALLY want to cling on to Windows on a Core 2 Duo laptop, go for Windows 8.1, because its not only faster, but the driver support situation is MUCH better than Windows 10. (Also Windows 8.1 on a laptop looks really clean)
@@jasimaneesahamed1033 I mean I did the test on a pc but i also had it on my Core 2 Duo Laptop with Geforce graphics and i felt it being way faster than Windows 10 when that came out so i reverted back because Windows 10 had nothing more to offer on that machine
I actually really like Windows 8. It didn't start out like that though. I remember Christmas of 2012, opening a brand new Acer Aspire One. I was 13 and practically over the moon with excitement as I booted it up, only to have my hopes dashed with such extreme confusion as Windows 8 began it's setup. I struggled hard to adapt and learn the new UI, but I eventually mastered it. I definitely ignored the app parts of it though haha. I still downloaded everything traditionally from a website. I again feel the same with Windows 10. I hate it. So much. Even though I've been using Windows 10 for years, I still find myself dragging my mouse to the upper rightside trying to bring up the UI.
I did it quite like it from the very beginning. I mean, it's not like the start menu now being in fullscreen makes a major difference since you can still see all your important stuff in it anyway, but it also has some improvements in its file explorer and generally it doesn't look and feel too bad either. Well, in comparison to Windows 7 I still prefer 7 but at least Windows 8 is such a big upgrade over Windows 10 though. I would choose Windows 8 over 10 any day.
Windows 8.x was misunderstood. It's most likely the fastest version of Windows they ever shipped, and with some work, you can have the positives of Windows 10 with the look and feel of Windows 7.
Windows 8 was horrible, no arguments there But Windows 8.1 is, just like you said, the most polished and refined version of Windows to date. Also, I actually kinda like the Start screen on Windows 8.1.
When I first built my desktop, 8.1 was still a few months away. In the end I decided to just go with Ubuntu because of how much trouble I'd seen with 8 and its lack of start menu especially. As soon as 8.1 dropped, though, I opted to give it a go. Literally all it took to change my mind was that the start menu came back.
Late to the party, but for all the problems Windows 8 had, I actually rather liked the Charms Bar feature (where you move your mouse to the bottom right corner and bring up something that's more or less the equivalent of the Start Menu). It took a while to get used to, but the gesture felt quite intuitive. I kind of miss that, even if I do like my present day Start Menu.
Yes I really liked the performance. Its UI was definitely fluid. I wished this video would cover desktop improvements like File Explorer, Task Manager, Fast Startup, Win+X shortcuts, Defender, and many more. One of the things I disliked was we longer could play games like Midtown Madness. Windows 7 is the last one to be compatible natively.
Windows 8 came out around the time where SATA SSDs were starting to be in my price range. Given that I had just graduated from college, that wasn't too much. My fondness for Windows 8 is probably more "I can't believe how fast booting is with an SSD" combined with acceptance of the OS after finally getting used to it. It was amazing not having time to do my entire morning routine before the PC booted up like the XP days.
Windows 8 made people realise the 'connection' they had with desktops, and that they didn't want them to fall into the past. So from that perspective, it was an important product.
"Window 8 walked so that other could run", yeahhh... only if by running you mean being bloated and constantly requiring a Microsoft account. Glad to see that 8 was both a terrible OS and the testing ground for some of 10 worst aspects, it really lives up to its reputation.
Pro tip, if you log in to your microsoft account and then change the password, it won't ask you to log in again, but it will act like an offline account. It will just give you a notification to "fix your account" every time you reboot. But be warned, I only learned that trick because once I logged on I couldn't figure out how to log off, it would always require me to log back in with a microsoft account, I couldn't get past it, according to some forum posts the outright removed the feature to do so. Only do this if you are already logged in and can't get out, or are willing to take the risk.
@@sirpretzel822 Even better, you can turn off the internet connection when installing the OS and you can make a normal, old-school offline account. I've heard, however, that this doesn't work in Windows 11 Home.
I still use Windows 8 today. Why? It doesnt have the constant updates of Windows 10. It doesnt crash every PC game with DX12 like it did everyone in my multiplayer groups.
My family updated to 8, then within like a week went back to 7 because 8 didn’t feel like it was built for a desktop, and we’re all rather tech savvy. My grandmother got updated to windows 8 at the same time we did and said she wasn’t able to use her computer for a few days (she’s not very tech savvy and doesnt know about tablets), so that was a fun experience all around. I like 10 though!
I feel that the problem with Windows in general, is that the UI was near enough perfected in XP and never really needed to change at all. And with Windows 10, although it was a very welcome return to the familiar style which was never broken, it is not a great feel. It feels like they tried mend the broken vase and couldn't quite fit all the pieces back together properly. Windows 11 is an improvement, but it's blatantly just a reskin of 10. You only have to open the bonnet to see that it's the same engine.
As much as I liked live tiles, market clearly has shown that windows phone most likely failed due to similar reasons - metro UI (consumers) and UWP (developers), which is weird considering how much Steve Balmer loved developers.....
I think that Windows Phone failed because of 2 main reasons: Google actively sabotaging the platform and the questionable Microsoft decision of leaving behind the users when a big update is released, twice.
Which was a shame because objectively Windows Phone 8 was a great phone system for consumers. Super lightweight, could run on 512 mb of ram. So that was super cool for entry-level devices when Android-based phones of the same price range struggled to run okay on 1Gb. But also intricate and just as customizable as Android in terms of options. The look of it was more of a subjective point but personally I like the blockyness and the colors.
@@mvsv12 Agree with you. When Windows Phone 8 was released, people that have Windows Phone 7.5 can't upgrade to 8 for God knows why. Lack of essential apps like Google apps (which because they intend to not release it on Windows Phone), Snapchat, Instagram. Also Microsoft not fully support developers, policy changes too fast (when Windows Phone 10 released, they have big change and that means policy change again, which makes developers should update most of their app UI), and developers that I don't know why big companies and others like Facebook make Instagram app for WP so clunky and laggy. It's so sad because flat design, dark mode, OLED dark mode, interactive rich text widgets, snappy UI animation, and almost everything from iOS and Android today were inspired by Windows Phone that was released like 8 or 9 years ago. Microsoft was ahead of its time yet don't know how to make their own product better.
@@vincentirving Now that you mentioned interactive rich text widgets the new iOS widgets looks very similar to the live tiles concept, almost a ripoff. Now I understand why when I saw the new widgets on my iPad I felt that they are oddly familiar
Kinda funny how Microsoft's idea of appealing to the masses also seeps into other types of Media they create, look at the Bedrock Edition of Minecraft, a version made to run on almost any current day Device, even the Updates are structured in a way in which the game runs almost equally despite the Platform Differences.
When windows 8 initially released I loved it, it was a new take on windows all together, them comes a month later after using it I realized just how bad it was. It was the most unstable OS ever, constant blue screens, freezing, dll errors, lag switching between desktop and app menu and all in all it was extremely slow. Keep in mind all installs were fresh installs and I had it on multiple devices at the time and every device always had the same issue.
Windows 8 launched when I was about 8 or so. I grew up using that OS after 7. I was at a young enough age to build familiarity. Most of the problems with aesthetics and UI people had were the result in being entrenched in prior versions of Windows. This does not mean they were wrong. We are all different in how we see things. The lack of the *option* for a traditional style of OS UI was the true misstep.
almost every windows version up to that point had a classic option i remember as a kid being upset with the ui changes, it'd be fine if we could have a skin change like you suggested.
I absolutely HATED Windows 8 when it dropped and even before (I had heard about them implementing ARM support) I wasn't enthused. I knew the problems with XP but it was my favourite, even after it's support has ended (I no longer use it but it still remains my top windows OS). When I actually tried 8 it just felt like a tablet arrangement on a computer screen. It made sense on the tablet but not the other way round. -10/10 wouldn't install again.
I prefer 7 because it made significant leaps in the ability to use more powerful RAM and have more disk space. One thing I miss from XP and earlier Windows though, is Starfield Stimulation screen saver.
Having a headphone jack is going to be one of the biggest deciding factors of what phone I get next time I upgrade. The fact that other companies are starting to take part in Apple's massive gaslighting campaign to convince people they don't need one anymore is absolutely infuriating.
I loved the Windows 8 cuz it looked so modern and beautiful idk why people had that much hate it introduced so many beautiful apps to look groove and more
As a System Administrator, the changes that 8 and subsequently 8.1 made were fantastic, being able to right click the start menu was revolutionary for the time and saved hours for people in charge of maintaining enterprise sites. Server 2012 and 2012 r2 had a plentiful bounty of positive changes. And being able to show a user in there 40s or older how to do something and have it work on their PC, Phone and Tablet was an awesome idea and another great way to save time. IMHO the releases of this time was more for the Tablet market and Enterprise Admins. Personally 8.1 is one of my favorite windows releases only beaten by XP and 10.
Of all the annoying aspects of Windows 8 (most I've blocked out of my mind), the one that always stuck with me is that when you inserted new media, the dialog box that popped up asked you to "tap here to decide what to do." You don't tap with a mouse! Small thing, but it just underscored even the smallest detail assumed you were using a touchscreen.
I'm a Windows 8.1 hold-out. Still using it. I was hooked when I felt the massive leap in performance from the archaic Win7 system. I've never used a tablet, but I never minded the Metro UI full-screen start menu. A user is only in the start menu for about five seconds at a time anyways, so it's not like it's ever-present. This is, of course, where Microsoft starts to screw with settings, eschewing the utilitarian Control Panel for neutered, space-wasteful Settings pages, and they have gone 10x harder on ruining any power-user's experience in Windows 10 as far as that goes. I use Win 10 ever day as an IT professional, and I'm still happy to come home each day to Windows 8. The unending slew of soft-boiled patches in Windows 10 is infuriating, it's a flip of the coin whether we have to roll back and withdraw a recent patch, and one patch actively annihilated personal files because I dared to store my library folders in somewhere other than the C: drive, which was truly the unforgivable sin for me. Windows 8 is still pleasantly moldable, and is before a time where disabling the egregious telemetry became like excavating a burrowed tick, as it is in Windows 10. It is every bit as fast as Win10, gets no feature updates any longer (a good thing, in my eyes), yet will receive security patching through 2025. The painful downside is finding out, day by day, which software is going to break because current developers don't acknowledge Windows 8.1 anymore and build exclusively for Win10. Also, I just bought a 2019 Moto Z4 because it has a headphone jack. Don't sell it short, it's still a blessing of a feature.
Yeah even though my new laptop is better, windows 10 has been a fucking nightmare and I'm scared it will at some point try to force update to 11. I literally have several folders named fuck you windows 10 for file backups (named after a great quote from vinesauce joel during a microsoft movie maker stream)
I am not alone! Windows 8.1 was the best of both worlds between 7 and 8. I guess people just get used to suffering, with forced updates and their system potentially suffering with problems it didn't have in the previous build. Don't even get me started on compatibility issued that are non existent in 8.1
Honestly, Windows 8 was fine if you did a few tweaks... basically returning the start menu with a 3rd party app and keeping Metro out... it then became a pretty great experience... Honestly, even as a tablet interface, Metro felt large and clunky... ipad and android use the interface they use for a reason... and for a keyboard and mouse... it really sucked...
Your "Get Back" easter egg hasn't gone unnoticed. Great vid 👍. Personally I really enjoyed Windows 8.1 with the returned Start Button and the ability to have a transparent background - it made the Start screen feel much more integrated while keeping the live tiles.
Windows 8.1 was amazing on tablets. The gestures worked well and mixed with the desktop apps surprisingly well. It was certainly a better tablet experience than Windows 10 provides today.
8.1 was... decent... on PC as well... Mind you, I still only used it because that was all I had (kind of a dick move when you buy one prebuilt PC rather than another SPECIFICALLY because it had windows 7 on it and then the shop 'upgrades' that model of prebuilt to 8 between when you order and when they get around to shipping it... but hey, on the up side, at least they still included an Actual Goddamn CD (or was it a dvd?) so that when my laptop came with goddamn Windows 10 and all of ITS bullshit (And yes, I tried Linux. Didn't know enough of what I was doing so got the shop guys to install it... yeah, That was a mistake, they were no more capable than I was, contrary to their claims.) I could actually install something that was ... less... awful. (let's not even get into the whole scam that is including a 'back up' or whatever on a software partition on the Same Physical Drive and claiming that meets legal requirements (I forget the exact wording, but they're required to provide the software such that you can re-install it yourself in the event that the drive, oh, I don't know... Fails and Needs To Be Replaced! gaararrrgh!)) Still using that windows 8.1 desktop machine for gaming, mind you, but that's only going to last until the Steamdeck is actually a thing here, and I've ditched windows entirely for everything else.
Gosh, I was 3 when Windows 8.0 was released, so I couldn't really try it out, but now in 2024, testing it in a Virtual Machine I actually love the astetics of Windows 8.0.
I remember trying to use it at work, and as someone who regularly uses advanced windows features, I simply couldn't find ANY of the things I often use. It was a nightmare!
I was a beta tester for windows 10 and it made me miss windows 8 at first, I was one of my few friends who defended windows 8 actually. 8.1 was a great upgrade.
I still miss windows 8 because it was a huge upgrade considering using windows Vista in the past for quite long. Windows 8 was already baked into my gaming laptop when I got it. It was confusing at first but it did work like a charm because the trackpad can navigate the main menu of windows 8. I might say differently if I'd experienced it using in a desktop, but for laptops it was "ok".
I still use Windows 7, both in my desktop and laptop. I've had 3 Windows 10 laptops, every single one was stolen. The windows 7 laptop was also stolen, but the battery was so lousy the thief actually returned it. Future versions only got bigger, uglier, and generally less compatible. Win 11 and 10S I refuse; less ability to use programs I want, and too much corporate control or spying. I also would not buy any computer with a tiny hard drive that relies on using a Cloud. Windows 8 did nothing that was good. Windows Defender is NOT Malwarebytes. Having it built into Windows 10 required me to go through a great ordeal to disable it so that I could run programs I wanted without having them deleted.
"We have come now to a time where regular executeables and apps can coexist peacefully" Am i the only one who completely disagrees with this? I'd much rather not use something at all than download it from the microsoft store lol
I think at a time (due to the existence of Windows RT which exclusively ran apps) we were worried that apps would replace executables, bringing with it the closed nature of iOS and to a lesser extent Android. We don't really have those fears anymore.
I actually agree with you as well. I still prefer using executable programs on a PC, but I do think that apps are much more tolerable now on Windows 10 than they ever were with Windows 8. Thanks for watching! :)
I remember my teacher always getting mad about his windows 8 laptop while trying to show us something via the projector xD It became kind of an inside joke in class at some point
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Windows 8's backlash could've been avoided by having a checkbox at the start of installation/setup if you were operating on a PC or tablet, with PCs defaulting to the standard desktop and start menu. Problem instantly solved.
If its actually being installed it would be safe to assume its a desktop. Thats why I was so scared when people thought tablets were going to take over. To put it in the word of leister from GTA "locked down restricted access crap"
For me the app-fication of programs (such as the aforementioned Skype, among many others) was the deal-breaker, not the impractical tiled menu by itself.
And they didn't even think of that for 8.1. Suckers.
no,no,no - Sinofsky knew better than you. the PC was just a big tablet.
8.1 solved it. But it took them way too long
I still care about removing the headphone jack... I just prefer wired connections over bluetooth, and the ability to charge your phone in the car and be connected to an aux cord is one of those things you don't consider until you need it and can't use it.
Also having wire means :
You don't have to charge your headphones.
Your phone can live longer by consuming less battery.
@sol As an Osu player... I can relate.
@sol as a clone hero player I can agree
I'm a sound engineer by trade and a built-in headphone jack is essential for me. I also couldn't count the number of times I've been asked if I have the adaptor for an iPhone.
@@staringcorgi6475 oh i might check that one out, is it good? How do u play it?
The removal of the headphone jack was definitely the wrong move and is still missed today. I don't think people have seen the light, more that they've just accepted that they're not getting it back.
agreed
It's still standard on low-end and mid-range phones, and tbh most people don't need a flagship. I just think the people who buy flagships are able to justify the lack of it with stuff like "it allows the phone to be thinner" or "wireless headphones are fine anyway."
@@kfcnyancat I always wonder who exactly was asking for thinner phones beyond a certain thinness to begin with, but I guess they need to market somehow.
@@charlessnyder9684 For what it's worth, thin isn't as in demand as it was when Apple first removed the headphone jack.
I dunno, i'm seeing more and more heaphone jacked lineups again, three years ago looking for a 3.5mm jack would give me like fifty models of midrange to choose from, nowadays there's a couple hundred.
I was in middle school when Windows 8 rolled out and our school had a program where we were each provided a laptop (rare back then) and did almost all of our work on them. I remember just the constant frustration from both students and teachers because basically nobody knew how to use a computer anymore. A few months later they had everyone leave their laptop at school over the weekend and we came back on Monday with Windows 7 installed.
Had the exact same thing happen at my school. We then just went straight to Windows 10, thank god
Loool this just makes me think, Wow what a stupid school! They couldn't figure out the windows key on the keyboard opens the start menu, and that the windows key+D keyboard shortcut makes it go back to the desktop?
Either that or just find the little desktop tile to go to the desktop, and put the mouse cursor in the corner for the start screen. It was so easy. And I loved the new and refreshed design than the old outdated start menu. They got rid of the start menu now anyway in windows 11, so there was literally no reason to bring it back in windows 10
All they should have done in windows 8 is just provide a start button and an all programs button...
...which they did anyway in windows 8.1. So it was sorted after that. I don't know why people kept complaining
But yeah, it's amazing that your school couldn't figure this out. Obviously windows was supposed to be usable. So the school was supposed to Google how it was supposed to work if they couldn't figure it out themselves. And then they would have realised that it was easy. Literally no reason to go back to outdated Windows 7
@@marioluigi9599 windows 7 ran out of support why would anyone try to use it for their main pc anyways lol
@@marioluigi9599 windows 10 ends support in 2025 so why not use that
A LOT of people still care about the headphone jack, nearly everyone I talk to. They just can't do anything about it. We had ONE port used for audio and headphones across all devices (ok 2.5 and 3.5mm and some use usb) and everyone got headphones they love for that one port, they can use on any phone, any laptop, tablet, desktop, console, any device at all. And apple cut it to save manufacturing, improve waterproofing and force wireless on people
Aka people who are afraid of change
@@staringcorgi6475 nope, people who likes change, but only if it changes for the better.
@@bennybau123 imagine if there is no micro usb anymore and force everyone to use usb c
@@staringcorgi6475 the USB C is superior, Bluetooth is not, if the replacement is better, I think it is good.
@@bennybau123 or what if usb a gets discontinued to push usb 4/thunderbolt
"Windows 8 was trying to move people over to an environment they just didn't want." And this would define Microsoft's MO for the following ten years: forcing things on users and taking things out of their control.
Like the Xbox One
@@zaneheaston8254 I am amazed that thing sold a single unit after the PR nightmare prerelease. "Never go on vacation again or we'll lock your console! Don't you want one?"
@@zaneheaston8254 you're too right, though. I have one and it was a lovely, lovely present from my fiancée and I've had a hell of a lot of fun on it. But I've had a hell of a lot of headaches with it. They force cloud save storage on you, which on two occasions rather than being a "data safety feature" has actually wiped my saves on two different games. It's still got no opt-out. They force Edge browser on you. Who the hell browses on a console? Not me. But there's no opt-out, so it's uselessly sitting there eating space. At first, you could view your screenshots offline. Now you can't! Gotta be online. No explanation. Updates every single bloody time I go online with it and takes bloody ages (especially in the verification stage - longer than the download and installation stage combined maybe even twice-over!). Why? I've got no bloomin' clue. There's even considerable menu lag now, it's done so much rearranging the furniture. I don't know what was supposed to be so wrong with how it worked before all the updates.
It ran games. Games Sony didn't buy out exclusivity for, that is. But plenty of really fun games. It did what it was supposed to do, I just wish that was all it did.
@@Torthrodhel this is the type of stuff that made me swap to linux
@@fiercey425 I am strongly thinking about that. It'd be a big shift but it looks very worth it.
The headphone jack is one of the most missed features on flagship cell phones. It needs to be brought back, not accepted as being gone forever.
Nah.. Once you go wireless you never go back to the wired dirtybuds. removing the jack was the right call... that was rather late too.. bt headsets existed since at least 2004, but they never evolved fast because the technology wasn't adopted by the masses. You see phones/pdas all had these 3.5mm ports and people stuck with it because that's what they already knew and it worked, but that was at the cost of poor user experience such as tangled wires, wires frequently breaking, overall annoying setup of having to route the cable under the shirt each time you use the buds, so it wouldn't catch into everything you pass(even that wasn't good enough because that small exposed portion of wire, that coming out the shirt and into the pocket would still occasionally catch into a corner of an object and that was always painful when it happened). when companies finally started to remove jacks, people had no choice but to try the superior alternative or have yet another annoying thing to plug in... most chose the first option and now nearly nobody cares if the jack is gone
@@beardsntools Just because you don't use it doesn't means that headphones jacks should cease to exist.
@@beardsntools You know that earbuds are NOT the only use for headphone jacks? I need one to connect my phone to my guitar amp to play backing tracks while I play guitar, and also, you don't have to charge wired headphones + they have no delay
@@beardsntools "Once you go wireless, you never go back to wired"
Yeah, no. I have wireless headphones and they're great, but I also have a pair of wired ones. One cannot replace the other for my needs.
The wireless ones are great for convenience and it having ANC, but the wired ones just smash it in terms of sound quality.
@@beardsntools false
the headphone jack and floppy drives are two completely different things.
one was a slow storage device in a time where faster storage was more easily accessible.
the other is a way of connecting an audio deivce to another device without needing set up bluetooth any time you want to use it one device, then another and back or worrying about your audio device running out of battery, or it yelling at you for its last hour of battery life that it has "low battery" usually cutting off all audio and at max volume regardless of what volume you have it set to.
Honestly, Modern Apple seems to just be about seeing what they can get away with removing, like the home button. I'm sorry, but the face cam is nowhere near as easy to use as just putting a finger on the home button.
No they're not, just get a dongle if you like cables so much.
Right? It is such a friggen techbro thing to say to be like "No one cares anymore, all the other companies did it and people don't complain"/ People aren't complaining because we have no other choice! Believe me, when i had to replace my phone I hunted down one with a real headphone jack, and I am dreading replacing this one. It's literally just another way to squeeze money from customers.
@ember9361 But the point is that you shouldn't have to get a specialized (especially in the case of Apple with lightning) dongle to use headphones. They didn't replace the aux with anything, they just removed it and said "Look how brave we are". And then samsung followed suit because they realized they could get away with it.
Mark my words, with Apple being forced to switch to USB-C, it won't be long before they remove the charging port. Then we'll all be forced to use wireless charging, which can never be as efficient as plug charging.
@@andrewarnold9818true. Most people think these big companies are at their mercy, when in reality it's the opposite. "The customer isn't always right, The customer is just as it is a customer".
What always bums me out with Win8 is that it was SO GOOD on smart phones for the vast majority of things casual users do, but the failure of that UI translating to desktops and Android and iOS both working on large and small screens killed Windows phone despite just how much dev support it got from the start.
Right, just with Windows Mobile, they had it all in the bag and blew it (Windows Mobile was admittedly a lot more successful than Windows Phone, obviously). Windows Mobile really was the Android of its day, open, extremely customizable and more utilitarian than "user friendly". And then Windows Phone came, which started out as the best of both worlds... Then crashed and burned.
I had the pleasure of experiencing Windows 8 on the original Surface tablet. I loved navigating it!
The failure of the UI didn't kill the Windows Phone. It even got a version of windows 10 phone which was really promising and supported the desktop feature and what not. If they didn't shut it down we could have had it today. The problem with it was the Microsoft didn't know how to handle it properly. They didn't want it to end up like android at the time with tons of unchecked shady apps but they also didn't want to be completely locked centrally controlled ecosystem like iOS so they tried to go somewhere in the middle. Phone developers that wanted to adopt Windows Phone had to check some criteria Microsoft gave them to ensure it will run well and that actually wasn't a bad move but then App developers had to go through some licensing process and had a strict rules for UI design and what not and that was not so smart. App developers didn't want to deal with that for a platform with small market share and people didn't want to buy phone that has no apps and that led to the downfall. Microsoft should have approached it better but they had this dude that also made the Zune disaster and realised all the market opportunities too late and was all straight up incompetent. Check out some of the last windows phone 10 devices, they were really cool. If it continued we could have had another alternative to Google overlord and maybe that desktop in phone feature would be actually useful. Now we just sadly have to wait for the raise of Linux on Phones to do that.
@@MrMozkoZrout WHY MICROSOFT WHY DID YOU DO THAT windows phone is the best phone os ever, killed by lack of apps. I still have a lumia 640lte with windows phone 8.1 as my secondary phone and I love it. Also shame they removed whatsapp. And shut down the ms store.
Apple's removal of the headphone jack pisses me off to this day, as I will always prefer to use a wired connection with headphones
The statement that nobody cares anymore couldn't be more untrue. I'm also pissed as hell you can't get a phone with a jack without making compromises anymore.
I love true wireless buds, but the fact that I can't use any of my other headphones with my phone is incredibly annoying.
@@justsomeguy5103 prolonged exposure to bluetooth doesn't seem to be too good for the brain too
Samsung following suit pissed me the fuck off too tbh. Low key out of spite I'm going the Sony Xperia 1 route when my current phone eventually gives in. Besides, the specs that I would ACTUALLY use is present in Xperias.
@@dylanrodrigues9577 koro sensei!
@@stealth1384 ahh, assassination classroom! what a great anime!
Tiles were annoying, and it made the Windows symbol itself ugly, so I'll never forgive it. My dad installed it when I wasn't there, and I suffered through it until 8.1 made it a bit more manageable.
I made the mistake of buying it and installing it. I went back to Windows 7 as soon as I was able.
Microsoft was so into the tablet craze that they forgot that full size computers are still a thing.
Just use Linux.
@@nobody-pk8ei Bruh, I believe you mean Ubuntu.
And unless you're a programming freak, it's not worth at all.
It couldn't run games for s**t either.
@Rlaziken Nah, it's just Linux.
The worst part was they used the same touch friendly environment for the server version of Windows for no sensible reason. Using charms and crap over vnc or remote desktop, as you usually do for servers, was basically IT hell.
Almost as bad as Unix 😂
@@mrcontrarian1416 ?
@@coolingjam Unix sucks to manage servers with
"People forgot about the headphone jack problem after the iphone"
Yeah, that's a load of bull. Bluetooth has come a long way but the noticeable half a second delay in sound AND the still to this day absolutely ATROCIOUS level of battery drain will make sure wired connections will still be more preferred than "futuristic look ma' no wires!" crap the phone makers try to push. It's all so we'd buy their overpriced dongles.
Also, no the iphone having no jack is NOT a problem that went away. I worked at an electronics retail chain and EVERY SINGLE DAY someone was asking for an iphone compatible usb-c to headphone adapter.
Well of course they’re gonna ask for one. Someone will get one even if the majority don’t becaude that’s just how people work
that shits actually so annoying
i had a broken phone for half a year and when it was fixed i keep trying to plug my headphones in to a nonexistent hole
bro. i notice no delay in everysingle one of my bluetooth headphones, especially my xm4s. dont over exagerate things just to prove a point. the last paragraph would have been fine on its own
Also sound quality is worse on wireless headphones than wired
@@monarchu "Bro i don't have this problem meaning that this problem doesn't exist at all"
That's all you contributed to this discussion, i don't have to overexaggerate when i speak from everyday personal experience.
16:23 I still haven't gotten over this. I find it really dumb that mid tier to budget phones are more user friendly than $1000 phones that should have all the features a smartphones have. The fact that if I ever got, say, a Galaxy S21, and I'd have to throw away my perfectly functioning earbuds and buy bluetooth ones is dumb in my eyes.
Just like Mr. Krabs says.
“Money!”
@@InfinityBS facts
It's also crazy how my mid tier/budget from 2016 has a better camera than a lot of mid tier/budget phones from 2019. Also doesn't have a notch, has a selfie flash and uses the right aspect ratio.
@@JonatasAdoM nowadays camera quality is more dependent on software
@@JonatasAdoM 2016 Phones don't have better camera's...
Tbf, as a once-owner of a Windows Phone, the tiles were so amazing there and I still miss them. But Microsoft should have kept them faaaaar away from desktop.
totally agreed. I had a windows phone too and it worked really well....on mobile ONLY
Yeah I would have to agree
Feel like that should exist a win phone themed launcher for android
@@headxplosion there are already some on the Play Store
Titles should have stay away from windows
or Microsoft should have put
the titles in
touchscreen mode
where only titles shows and no desktop
so is would be user friendly to touchscreen
than it would be still in window 8 to 8.1
when did people ask for the start button to be removed so you just added it back in 8.1
Microsoft forgot to remove old Policy on group policy
I got a policy stay turn off windows store I did and nothing happened to the store
I was in my first year of uni when windows 8 hit morale like a freight train. After the forced auto update I walked into the cafeteria and multiple people were having emotional breakdowns. I wasn't the only one who had a shit ton of files erased. It was...awful. It wasn't just people who didn't save their work and lost it to the forced shut down.
16:22 "now people don't really care any more."
I care IMMENSELY. _still using the headphone jack on their S7 daily_
right? i still use wired earbuds all the time, i can't afford spending $50 on bluetooth ones
@@Tendo641 I can and I refuse to buy Bluetooth headphones. My ten year old wired ones still sound better than anything I could get for under 200 bucks wireless.
@@Tendo641 there are literally 15$ Ones that Sound decently
Just use an adapter mates
@@riponrip4574 Easy for you to say, you probably already own one. I'm not going out to buy an extra accessory just so I can use my headphones.
Also it's annoying to have to plug in _two_ things when I'm going out with my headphones. Suddenly now there's two points that the headphones can pull out of, and what's going to happen if I lose the adapter whilst getting off the bus?
The real reason windows versions tend to alternate from good to bad to good again is cause one version tries to fix what isn’t broken and then the next fixes what was broken
And now with windows 11 being a mix of both. The looks in my opinion is way better than 10. The start menu has moved to the middle but there's still an option to revert it back.
The decision to replace the right click menu to more simplified one is not a good one.
But the new "file explorer tabs" feature is probably one of the best innovation they have made. Now we can stack multiple file windows without overcrowding the desktop
@@alieffauzanrizky7202as someone who dislikes all of those, I am even more pissed that it disconnects the battery when updating on a laptop, causing its own corruption by updating withouth saying anything in the 5 second window of closing my laptop and unplugging it from the wall.
vista was good. this is proven by the fact that 7 changed absolutely nothing.
16:18 I was with you until you started simping for the removal of features because of "muh technology advancement".
Speaking as a frequent Bluetooth user, I still refuse to use any device so comfortable in removing connections as ubiquitous and basic as a headphone jack, that's like buying a computer with no USB slots.
Move on into the future, grandpa. We can’t be stuck in the “forgotten days” forever.
@@SpinTheWords Ok would you buy a car with motion controls instead of physical because "it's more advanced" or do you want a car that actually works very reliably without needing an internet connection, a bodysuit and a camera with a perfectly unobstructed view of you at all times?
Because you're now advocating that everyone be forced to use more expensive temperamental devices that require their own battery supply, can be easier to lose and can have audio delays as opposed to also having the option of using the tried and true ubiquitous technology.
You should start advocating for the removal of USB ports while you're at it.
Exactly. Bluetooth is convenient, but I always want the option of using the jack. Like If I'm walking on campus or doing dishes, then yeah, I want bluetooth so I'm not going to get caught on anything. And because I am busy with other stuff, I'm going to be busy while the music is playing so I'm not going to be an audiophile. But when I'm listening for enjoyment or I'm using my phone in a long call, I stick with wired because it is more reliable.
Heck, I've even bought into Dankpod's KZ recommendation. It is so nice to be able to swap the headphone drivers themselves between a bluetooth set and wired. So that is even less loss of quality on my end.
I want both because I frequently use both!
@@SpinTheWords Eh, removing the jack was never really for the advancement of tech. The tech was already there and well-refined.
Companies just needed a reason to push a new trend of wireless buds. It's not as simple as floppy drives because CDs were pretty much superior in basically every arena. 3.5mm jacks vs. Bluetooth isn't so clear cut because they each have very clear pros and cons.
Bluetooth is convenient but has a latency penalty alongside the typical issues you have with a 2.4GHz wireless connection. The 3.5mm jack can be a bit to faff about because cables but it does allow for mostly latency-free audio and generally allows for a much higher quality assuming it is paired with a stout DAC/amp combination.
There's a reason I have wired and wireless headphones. They're both great for their own respective cases but one cannot replace the other because they each have very distinct pros and cons.
The charging port however can be removed. We have MagSafe and also we could use magnetic contacts rather than a hole.
Never ask a woman her age.
Never ask a man his salary.
*Never ask Microsoft about windows 8.*
My initial reaction to Windows 8 was confusion. I thought I'd messed up and bought the wrong version or something since the familiar Windows layout had been replaced with tablet style mystery meat navigation.
That's one of the most subtle UI design burns I've seen in a while. Nicely done!
I personally have no problem with 8 or 8.1 besides the fact that my Surface 2 is basically useless now.
personally, i like windows 8. The full screen start menu was a pretty cool thing to me. But i feel like the Windows 10 full screen start is WAY better.
I legit just watched your M.E. video and thought "huh, wonder when he's gonna make a video on Windows 8?" Then like an hour later this dropped lol. Great video!
Holy shit me too
HOLY SHIT ME TOO?
That's because I read your mind! Thanks for watching. :)
Speaking of which, did Windows 8 do worse than Windows ME in terms of a commercial standpoint?
@@NintendoGamer2600 Highly Doubt it
People who dismiss the lack of a headphone jack have never had to deal with a long road trip in a car with no bluetooth support.
Or, in my old phone's case, a car that only supports a version of BT my phone's last version of Android dropped support for.
If not for my Aux cable, I would have had to use my phone as the worst portable boombox ever.
Aux cords are a life saver for broke people
I grew up in the 90s with corded headphones now I wish wireless was a thing back then I hate corded headphones I love Bluetooth
@@sk8terboi2005 im broke as fuck but I have working Bluetooth headphones and my vehicle radio
@@sk8terboi2005 aren't we all?
My early Prius has bluetooth, but only for calling. Not for general audio play. I rock the cellphone boombox cause I'm not interested in purchasing an adapter. At the least, the speakers are nice and loud.
Metro/Modern UI wasnt even the worst thing about Win8. The worst thing was that Microsoft was seriously planning to use that UI style for Windows Server.
Server typically gets the desktop stack that is attached to the build it is based on. The Insider Preview version right now has the Windows 11 UI.
@@soundspark For most people it was exactly the new, and forced, completely unusable UI
@mikaeldk5700 Still, it wasn't because Microsoft planned to use the UI specifically for server, but instead because server and client share most of the same files. Windows Server 2012 is the same build number as Windows 8 and Windows Server 2012 R2 is the same build number as Windows 8.1.
Server 2016 and 2019 used the Windows 10 builds of the time, and Server 2022 ended up getting caught in the middle of a preview cycle and had a post-10, pre-11 branch go to stable for that version, carrying the Windows 10 UI because the Windows 11 UI had yet to be unveiled.
People not caring about the headphone jack is not because we "understand" or are fine with it. It's more so a "ffs, they don't listen, why do we still complain" thing.
I'd HATE if I got a new phone and suddenly I could no longer use the wired headphones I already have for my PC. Only reason I might forgive it is if they include *very high quality* wireless headphones/earbuds on any phone that dropped the headphone jack.
When my last phone gave up on me I ended up having to choose a weaker phone than something else I could afford while paying a lot more just because I wanted a headphone jack.
Sony includes their premium BT earphones during their Xperia preorders. Which is double hilarious since they actually DO have the headphone jack on said phones.
@@Spearra That’s for making people buy their Xperia phones. The smartphone division of Sony is literally failing without proper press And limited user experience
Unrelated but I love your pfp.. Omori Futaba 💕
Apple or android, smartphones keep going one step forward and ten steps back.
I was one of those who never updated to 8 because of the backlash. I saw demonstration videos and noped out. I went from 7 right to 10
I did too, I wasn’t interested in a windows that look more like a tablet and when i saw windows 10 returned to the old startmenu
I made my windows 10 look a lot like windows 7 with custom shell and my gosh the move up was easier.
@@Cynderfan35 Same, I tried to use the default start menu in 10 for years but it wasn't doing it for me, so I installed openshell and reverted it back to W7 style and it's been amazing! Am hoping openshell eventually supports W11 too
Same here. Never even tried Windows 8, but my mother had it and just watching her use it discouraged me. I wanted a PC that felt like a PC. Not a damn tablet. Especially on desktop. Windows 11 seems to have a lot of problems too so I may be skipping that for Windows 12 as well. Who knows. Still not as bad as Windows 8 though.
Same
The entire staff had to re learn how to use the computer, however simple Win8 was to use. Many of us had become entrenched in many automatic hand/eye/Brain shortcuts while using Windows 7 that productivity almost ground to a halt when we had to do so many things differently.
*This argument has been beaten to death but...*
Apple removed the headphone jack to promote AirPods _not_ because of aging tech. It's no coincidence that all the other phone manufacturers that remove their headphone jacks also had their own brand of wireless earbuds to promote.
In 2023 (a year after this video was made), headphones that use the 3.5 mm jack are still being sold everywhere and new non-flagship phones as well as all laptops still include the jack.
At some point it was said that the jack must go so they can make thinner devices... well. I had a S10 which was fairly thin, and had the aux jack. And now I got myself a sell-out bargain S23FE which is almost two S10's worth of thickness and has no jack. By device size, they could almost have fit in a 6,3mm jack. I think, but it's just me, that one reason the jack had to go is so that people don't record their streaming services through the analog hole - like there weren't easier ways to illegally acquire music for offline playback.
@@jussikuusela7345
the simple issue with the smartphone market is that there is no originality in it, everybody's just copying whatever bullshit apple comes up with next.
you see it in the headphone jack, you see it in the notch and you see it in the glued in batteries, if apple does it and stupid apple users buy it because they're fucking masochists, every other manufacturer will start doing the same thing and their user base will just have to live with it because there are no alternatives because they're all copying apple.
I had such a great experience with Windows 7 that Windows 8 was the one OS I never could use on a permanent basis. I did end up using 8.1, along with a third-party shell replacement. But the Windows 8 experience was just horrific to me. The jarring nature of being thrust either into the Start screen or back to the Desktop made it seem like 2 separate operating systems. I like Windows 10
it does help that in 8.1 you can get Most of your start menu back by Right-clicking the start windows button on the screen. Just gotta train yourself to never actually press the windows key.
Windows 10 with Open Shell.
I still use Windows 7, both in my desktop and laptop. I've had 3 Windows 10 laptops, every single one was stolen. The windows 7 laptop was also stolen, but the battery was so lousy the thief actually returned it. Future versions only got bigger, uglier, and generally less compatible. Win 11 and 10S I refuse; less ability to use programs I want, and too much corporate control or spying. I also would not buy any computer with a tiny hard drive that relies on using a Cloud. Windows 8 did nothing that was good. Windows Defender is NOT Malwarebytes. Having it built into Windows 10 required me to go through a great ordeal to disable it so that I could run programs I wanted without having them deleted.
I remember when it came out people at my school tried to make me a it person with no pay no fuck off it was kinda of weird see people not know how to use 8 when the ui was just a phone and tablet ui but man use 8 buggy trash 8.1 was miles better
@@trashsombra2793 I never really understood the hate for 8. I mean I understand it was a different UI, but most of it seemed to be people violently overreacting to the Start Menu not stuck in the bottom left side of the screen. The Charms bar was actually a step in the right direction (functionally similar to the Mac OS adaptive top menu bar, just about the only thing Apple got right) but the failure of 8 really killed it. So many people were too scared to learn something slightly new or different.
I mean the worst thing about 8/8.1 was that it looks like it was designed for a kid's tablet, like Leapfrog or whatever and the bright Start Menu looks genuinely silly in a business environment (which is probably where I used it most, lol. I used a keyboard and mouse, too).
I was in middle school when I was using Windows 8, and I didn't particularly dislike it. The start menu was confusing though, but I got used to it over time. In some ways I liked the new start menu. It almost made my laptop feel like a game console, especially with the Xbox integration. Windows 10 was a breath of fresh air and was way easier to understand though, and I haven't really gone back since.
🍞
You can go into tablet mode on Windows 10 to get it back
@@Hamox yeah but the start screen in windows 10 is super limited compared to 8.x
I am using windows 11 right now
@@fredericchopin2441 what for? why would you switch from 10?
"...unmitigated disaster that could decidedly hurt Microsoft and its future."
Who thought a post from 9 years ago could've been so relatable still today
You are windows 7 you are biased
@@LibertyCat100 im a different edition wruo
@@LibertyCat100 your comment translates to at my desk
waddup
Oh my fucking god everytime i comment on a video someone ticks me that i'm windows 7, leave me the fuck alone y'all
Companies need to know that any change in User Interface will likely cause a backlash.
I should not constantly keep memorizing new places to find the off button as I keep upgrading my OS to the newest version.
Never underestimate the staying power of a form factor.
PC sales have been growing. This shows that PCs are not under threat. Most PCs just weren't in need of upgrading until recently. PCs are the perfect platform for power. No mobile device can compete on power. Not for any significant length of time.
And they never will. Just by size, if a microprocessor as powerful as a modern computer is ever developed in a size apt for a mobile, a computer will be able to implement ten of those without problem. It will have no trouble with energy input, size or heating
@@staringgasmask Same reason why notebooks are always a compromise between size and power.
Even a notebook can use it's size to have better hardware and better heat dissipation than a mobile device.
Not to mention that it doesn't matter how powerful a tablet is, its limitation is always going to be form factor and input methods. You just can't get away from the fact that you still can't get any proper work done without a decent size screen, physical keyboard, and a mouse. I've got a Windows 10 tablet that is plenty powerful on the hardware side of things for what I intended to use it for... except multitasking is horrible and almost non-existent, the virtual keyboard takes up half the screen, and you can't hit small icons or perform more intricate actions with a finger.
hold my cloud gaming with 5g 😂 you don't need power anymore
@@dejazO0 Cloud gaming.
LMAO
A scam as big as NFTs.
>apple removing headphone jack
>people dont care anymore
im sure thats not true for a LOT of people but ok
yes thats all i wanted to comment on, bluetooth audio is just NOT as good as wired
This.
100$ Bluetooth Headphone = 30$ Wired Headphone
The Sony Xperia 1 iii sold hella units in China too. Which is a flagship that has the jack. So to say there's no demand for it borderlines as dismissive.
(The ladder if which is VEEERY common with die hard BT fans I've noticed. Except in their case, it is outright hostile AND dismissive)
Bluetooth sacrifices mic quality, longevity, and low latency for convenience. I think wireless headphones are nice but the reliability of a cable will probably never be beaten.
16:32 Strongly disagree. People would have used it, but when you cut support and ability to access to certain product for very long time - people starting to accept to never having it back and forget. Natural death and murder are 2 different things
Yeah I still only buy phones that have phone jacks, I prefer my headphones over uncomfortable ear pieces that can occasionally disconnect and also run out of battery and can compromise audio quality
@@AlineaEuros and fall, i would never trust something that can fall out of my ear and not be linked by cable
I still use Windows 7, both in my desktop and laptop. I've had 3 Windows 10 laptops, every single one was stolen. The windows 7 laptop was also stolen, but the battery was so lousy the thief actually returned it. Future versions only got bigger, uglier, and generally less compatible. Win 11 and 10S I refuse; less ability to use programs I want, and too much corporate control or spying. I also would not buy any computer with a tiny hard drive that relies on using a Cloud. Windows 8 did nothing that was good. Windows Defender is NOT Malwarebytes. Having it built into Windows 10 required me to go through a great ordeal to disable it so that I could run programs I wanted without having them deleted.
Floppy discs were still available on windows computers for years after. Our school still had them when I graduated in 2004. But floppy discs had 1.44mb of space on them. They were becoming pain even by the end of the 90s. By 2001, we were about as likely to try our luck emailing a file to each other than try fitting it on a floppy disc.
@@hjf3022 floppy disk and their successor laserdisk have one thing in common: it was a *physical copy* and not an app or a digital cloud save - meaning no one from digital corporations, microsoft or hackers can take it away, alter your information/content. Over the past there lots of movies, music, videos, animation, games, personal files and software has been accumulated and saved on disks. Pretty sure many of us who posses these would like have access to them.
I switched to Windows 8 at the time because I simply wanted to be up to date. The new Home menu took a lot of getting used to. That's why I was happy when programmes like Classic Shell became available that brought back the familiar Windows look. As I remember, the apps from the Windows Store were vastly inferior to the normal programmes. To this day, I ignore the Windows Store wherever possible.
Windows 8 may have gotten better over time. But I quickly switched to Win 10 when it came out. Just as I did from Vista to 7.
Yes the apps where indeed inferior. I remember the app version of skype had quite a few functionalities removed, such as screensharing (and others that I don't remember).
Windows 8's UI would have been good in the 90's when multitasking wasn't very common due to technical limitations (computing power and screen sizes). The whole point of "Windows" was to be able to have multiple Windows open side by side. Going fullscreen on every app in 2012 was just dumb.
I still use classic shell on windows 10 & 11 😊. To me, it snakes easier to use
Bro ignored 8.1☠️
@@nobody_023k Not really. I just didn't mention it because it didn't matter much to me.
I remember being tasked with the job of replacing the computers in computer classes around the campus at the school I worked at at the time. My most common complaint was the lack of the start button, as soon as you told them to use the windows key they went "oh ok" and they were pretty much fine with 8 after that. Personally I liked 8 apart from the visual style. Still, Microsoft definitely should've simply made a different edition for tablets instead of combining everything into one. Or just some kind of setting that allowed you to pick a more tablet friendly UI
I believe if Microsoft just didn't at least hide the Taskbar with a visible Start button while the Start screen is opened, there will be less resistance to Windows 8. Sure people may still complain, but it will be alot less and not as confusing.
I think the reason why people get confused is when they login, there is NO Taskbar which is a visual thing about Windows, without it people will get confused how to get around. Start screen basically acts like a Desktop icons anyways, which majority of people use than the Start itself when opening apps. So if the user gets around the Tiles, it's not that bad for them and some may even prefer it for many different reasons (bigger target to open, larger icons and text, Live Tiles giving info, etc)
Also All Apps is stupidly hidden ON windows 8, but they addressed it and make it visible on 8.1 just like on Windows Phone 7 which is release way earlier. That one is probably one of the really stupid thing that I don't understand why hide it when Windows Phone 7 had it always visible.
Let me make this even worse.
They actually did make a separate version of win8 for tablets. It was used on like 1 or 2 of the budget tier Surface tablets. It couldnt run any native windows programs and wasnt eligible for the win10 upgrade. It is unbelievably terrible compared the normal win8.
I remember getting a laptop with Windows 8 when it was new. My thoughts on it are broadly the same as those outlined as public opinion in this video. It was very clunky for a traditional PC user like me, and as mentioned, I not only had no interest in a tablet, but I didn't and don't like touchscreen interfaces. So many of the changes actively inconvenienced me as a user, and made me wish that I could go back to what's still my favorite Windows- 7. Of course, my family couldn't justify buying the downgrade, so I was stuck with it. I managed, but I wasn't happy about it. I remember when 8.1 was released, and here's my reaction: "Oh well, at least this is marginally usable now."
Later, when I got my Dad's old desktop, still running 7, I stubbornly clung to using it until the day its support was discontinued. My experiences with 8 led me to distrust its descendant, Windows 10. I don't mind Windows 10 now that I've used it, but it does still have that layer of mandatory account linking and automated features that irk me. "At least it's not Windows 8."
I remember buying a laptop which had W8 on it, I hated so much that I preferred to lose the warranty for altering the OS rather than staying with such unstable and inefficient OS.
@@ozzcoremidmx8287 I never had a major issue with it being unstable or crashing, but I really didn't care for the UI or usage experience.
Well, good thing there is Linux just in case Microsoft messes up too hard... again.
Then again, they do have a record of learning from their mistakes...
@@ozzcoremidmx8287 The OS is actually stable and efficient, waay better Kernel than Windows 7, UI is hot garbage.
I also had the bad luck of owning a high end 17.3 inch laptop released in 2012 or 2013 that had Windows 8, fortunately Windows 10 saved it and the Core i7-4700MQ beast that it has inside.
Man, Windows 8 sucked so badly by that UI, Windows 10 is light years better.
@@putinpunhere Linux software support is terrible, worse than Mac.
I remember buying a laptop that came with Windows 8, and immediately feeling disgusted by it. It was so unintuitive. I got classic shell as soon as I found out about its existence.
I have Windows 8 u guys put problems in everything
@@angelomiguel8482 Good for you. You can pick up your participation trophy on the way out. Have a good one.
Im struggling finding apps turning off it etc. With windows 8 windiws 7 is better ngl
Julio Vargas Good for you. You can pick your participation trophy on the way out. Have a good one.
@@TheStoso2 stop copying me!
A lot of people have made the comments about the headphone jack line, so I'll take it a step further and say that exact mentality "Ignore criticism, users will get over it eventually" is toxic to tech and it's getting increasingly present in the design philosophies of many companies.
I'm still out here fighting for the headphone jack. THE 2016 WAR IS NOT OVER.
I heard its coming back
@@americanShurtugalEntertainment where
Damn y’all are pathetic. Maybe get a better job that will afford you some quality earbuds or headphones.
@@SpinTheWords All the best headphones are wired. I have airpods, but I'd much rather use studio headphones. Or, you know, ANY headphones I'd like.
Get a Sony Xperia 1 mk.iii.
Sony has a proper, complete flagship on their hands.
What I remember about Windows 8 was how cumbersome it was to do simple things. Like shutting down - I think that option was buried in a side-drawer. If you want to run an application, you had to hunt for it in the Start Screen. I just found it easier to enter a search query whenever I wanted to run something. Windows 8.1 improved upon it a little bit - at least it brought back the Start button, which had a new feature where you can right-click it to access basic functions
My only real exposure to Windows 8 was during my A+ certification training, but I agree that Microsoft made the wrong bet on which way the tech winds were blowing -- after all, even tablets are now becoming more laptop-like, with the fairly common adoption of add-on keyboards, pointing devices, and even Bluetooth game controllers by tablet aficionados.
This may sound weird but I like the way this comment is formatted.
Yes with the missing hyperterminal software ....
I also think Windows 10 works really well for both touch screen input and for keyboard/mouse.
You forgot to mention that all the new apps didn't initially had a close button, and there was no Taskbar! it worked like a smartphone where you had to go to the start menu to use another app , except that even in smartphones in that time the navigation bar was always visible 😂
Urmmm there was still a task bar. Just no start button
...but they brought it back in windows 8.1. So it was fine after that. I don't know why people still hated on 8.1.
It was annoying as heck trying to turn off your PC with Windows 8, there's no start button, no indicator how to get to the power off option, so I had to crtl + alt + del to bring up the task manager screen which had the power icon in the button corner to turn off my PC. EVERY. SINGLE. TIME!
Once they updated to Windows 8.1 with the task bar back, it wasn't as ANNOYING, but still! The task bar and start button shouldn't have been basically removed in the first place.
@@cocodojo actually there was a power button if you open the pop in menu from the right side and click settings.
And even if you didn't find that, you could just sign out to the log in screen and there was another power button there. And if you didn't want to do all that, you could just press the power button on your computer itself and it would shutdown as long as you had it set to that
@@marioluigi9599 That was the first few weeks of me getting Windows 8, there was nothing indicating you could've done any of that at the time, information about the system was basically 0, but ever since then when they finally rolled out the update to make windows 8.1, things have become much more reasonable.
@@cocodojo Yeah everyone was struggling, including me. I remember, I was struggling for the few minutes to get to the desktop lool. But after the first day I worked it all out and I was all good. It wasn't that bad
This video gives off "I need to meet that essay's minimum word limit" vibe. But in this case, they are after watch time.
very much agree it seemed the f irst points were repeated for like 5 minutes
20 minutes of "it was confusing"
Windows 8 did have a few new features that were really missing in Windows 7. Like the new task manager, or my favourite, the ability to mount .ISO and .VHD files.
This
@@radonulk108 Also the ability to display the task bar on two monitors or more.
Even though I didn't like windows 8, I still like windows 8.1 due to it's interface looking like it's a mix of windows 7 and 10 (Except the start menu)
I used 8 and 8.1 on a laptop and used classicshell (now open shell) to get a proper start menu
Still use OpenShell on 10 to this day, I will use the 2 panel start menu until I die
@@CaptainApathetic I'm using 8.1 as my main OS right now, and yeah, it ain't bad at all! Feels like a modern Windows 7. However, instead of OpenShell, in my case I went with StartIsBack+
@@polytelus I phrased that as if I meant windows 8 lol
I meant I still use OpenShell. Have 11 installed on a separate drive but it needs a bit of a workaround to get functional but when I use Windows it's usually 10
Linux is my daily driver OS for most stuff
short answer: the windows menu
long answer: the windows menu with examples
I remember back in 2012 and 2013 when my grandma got a new PC with Windows 8, as an 11 year old who knows the basics of using Windows, I was so confused how to use this thing. All I wanted to do was to go to MS Paint and draw, but finding Paint was a big hassle. I was of course very disappointed that my grandma replaced her Windows XP machine with this piece of junk known as Windows 8. Windows XP, Vista and 7 were my childhood, and knowing how to use those OS's were engraved to my brain ever since I learned how to use the start button! :D
Windows 8.1 is actually good though, I was talking about the original Windows 8.
When I was way younger, my older sister decided to let me “borrow” her Windows 8 computer to play games. She let me make my own Microsoft account, download any games, and use it whenever I liked. I loved that computer and I remember that version of Windows fondly. It was so different from my mother’s 2008 Mac Leopard or my school’s Windows 7 desktops and my child self found satisfaction in the variety. I thought it was so cool that it looked so modern and futuristic; I loved changing the backgrounds and playing around on the menu. I would play Minion Run or the My Little Pony world builder game avidly; it was amazing to a small child. At some point, my sister did ask for her computer back (I used it so much and constantly kept it with me, it was more like my own) and I received a Windows 10 HP a few years later. Even though it receives a lot of criticism, I’ll always have a special place in my heart for Windows 8. Whenever I hear the Windows 7/8 startup sound, my heart breaks. 💖
Even though I don't have siblings, I can relate to this on such a deep level. Win8 is just pure nostalgia.
@@jdcs._ Strongly disagree. Windows 8 was the very definition of "Inadequate". I understand your sentiment, though. Microsoft like a crazy wife-beater that you have to keep going back to.
windows 8 was my first os and ngl i loved it too lol.. i loved playing around in the start menu, changing the sizes and moving them around
I skipped 8 cause it sucked just that bad and was used to vista and 7. Windows 7 was just that good. Also I turned on the startup sound on my windows 10
youre a child
What threw me off with Windows 8 was the removal of the Start Menu, and that it booted directly to that fullscreen apps tile list. But I ended on keeping using it because I had no choice and it grew on me. Windows 10 was definitely their saving grace.
I was a kid when windows 8 realeased, and being curious as hell, till this day I have nice memories of it because my 9 year old self loved that piece of invencionice. I'm 20 now, and I would hate to use that os again, but at the time it was really important, not only it made me learn how to install and uninstall an os, that was my first ever experience actually learning something about computers, but it made me realise that changing things in the computer its not only a feature but a must to anyone who wants to use the machine at its fullest, well learn that as good as a 9 yo can learn, but for me it was important, created an interest that later grown to be really important in my life, and without windows 8's incoveniences I would have just keept my life going, playing League of Legends and never getting interested in computer science.
I installed Windows 8.1 again after years of using Windows 10, as it's still supported and perfectly compatible with modern software. Just because Windows 10's default UI is better suited to traditional PCs at launch doesn't mean that Microsoft hasn't made bad decisions with the feature updates of Windows 10 over the years. Feature updates that are frankly more suited to the mobile market than the PC market (once again). One of these changes that Microsoft made to Windows 10, that infuriates me to no end, was removing Control Panel settings and moving them to their universal Settings app, where they're significantly less in-depth and less intuitive. Another was reverting user changes back to defaults after every major update. So yes, while Microsoft did make the UI more friendly to PC users, the way it has treated the end-user is more reminiscent of how Apple and Google treat their mobile users.
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Funniest most stupid sht is... The control panel is still there! it's the same as it's been since windows 95! but now windows has this dumbed down version of it on top, right now I make most of the things on the dumbed down version but if you want to make more "advanced" stuff there is this "advanced settings" options somewhere hidden in the win 10/11 config options which when clicked will bring you to... The old control panel! 😂 It's still there! And the deeper you go the more the old windows keep showing! I recently had a problem with my audio settings and it came a point where the thing I needed (the audio mixer) was after a ton of clicking, still the same old little window that has existed since the old days! And that is my complain since windows 8, instead of actually tweaking the ui, they just added a new one on top! You'd guess they would improve it over the years but win 11 came and the good old windows 95 is still there buried under a pretty ui...
I kind of can't stand Windows 10. Windows Defender is NOT Malwarebytes. Having it built into Windows 10 required me to go through a great ordeal to disable it so that I could run programs I wanted without having them deleted.
In 10 just place a control panel icon in the taskbar... problem solved.
7:40 Nice work making the desktop icons feel nostalgic. I saw "Poptropica" and felt a stab at my heart.
maybe you should call an ambulance then
I may have been a few of the people who liked using 8 also on a traditional laptop without touchscreens. I just felt like the improvements made to the desktop side were great, and the apps, altough they would get better over time (especially in 8.1), were a bit clunky but offered interesting features.
On the Surface tablet, using it was great! 😁
Same here. I've got new laptop with Win8 shortly after its launch and it was perfectly fine for me. Win8.1 was even better, but 8 was good enough. This start menu finally made me use it properly and keep the desktop clean of shortcuts - they all moved to start menu, where they belong.
Maybe I didn't dislike it because I've never used Win7, but jumped to 8 from XP?
The first laptop i got was with windows 8, i loved it and mainly the startup background whitch i still use to this day. I stayed with windows 8 till i somehow managed to delete the desktop button. I had to move over to windows 10 because at that time i didnt know windows 8.1 existed.
Right, Windows 8.1 is going to go down in history as very underrated, just like a fully patched Vista install (which looks beautiful and it's actually comparable to Windows 7 in stability). On that note, Windows 8 really was the Vista of its time. It started out trash, then turned out to be one of the best things they ever made, which evolved into the best overall release to date (Vsita went to Win7, 8.1 to 10).
Windows 8 was underrated. People hated it for things missing that were actually implented but just needed to be enabled... I hated Windows 8.1 though as it caused massive performance issues. Windows 8 was smooth, just needed a couple of days to be accustomed to it. The main issue with Windows 8 though was that a lot of softwares were just incompatible which torped Windows 8.
Highkey, I loved the user interface and design of windows 8. As someone who likes customizing their PC and just things in life in general, I thought it could have been a great customizable option to add some flair to your desktop. The downside I dealt with was not every app was fitted with cool tiles or tiles just didnt function right. I feel like had it had a lil more love, it could have been a great OPTION not the only one.
The most sensible way would have been keeping the start menu and have tiles at the same time. The concept of tiles is not bad, having all your most accessed programs, and stuff right at the front and easy access. But the start menu still contains nearly everything you need to use a pc, from launching programs to device manager can be accessed easily and with familiarity. Combining the two would have been genius, which is exactly what happened in win10.
Nowadays, I seldom use start menu and have my most accessed programs in taskbar, when combined as a single icons for multiple instances makes multitasking so much easier. But if i ever need start menu to access some more obscure stuff, I can still use it. Heck, a fully fleshed out windows defender itself is a godsend and win8 should be praised for that alone.
I still refuse to buy any phone without a headphone jack
The start menu was my biggest complaint honestly. I’ve worked with 8 for years and STILL feel so weird about these days when I see it rarely.
The irony of Windows 8 being terrible is that Windows Phone was awesome, but MS never really cared about developing the app support.
I've used Windows 8.1 when it came out and i actually liked it
It was more snappy, started way faster because of fast startup and it looked better than Windows 7 (or 10 lol) in Desktop mode. The only things I did were using Classic Shell and setting the system to boot on the desktop instead of the tiles. I compared Windows 10, Windows 8.1 and Windows 7 on a Core 2 Duo system and guess what: Windows 8.1 was the fastest
8.1 was a step in the right direction but 8.0 was horrible to work with on a desktop/laptop
Agreed
If you REALLY want to cling on to Windows on a Core 2 Duo laptop, go for Windows 8.1, because its not only faster, but the driver support situation is MUCH better than Windows 10.
(Also Windows 8.1 on a laptop looks really clean)
@@richard086 Yeah LOL
When I bought an Acer Aspire V3 with Windows 8, I was confused for one full week LOL 😂
@@jasimaneesahamed1033 I mean I did the test on a pc but i also had it on my Core 2 Duo Laptop with Geforce graphics and i felt it being way faster than Windows 10 when that came out so i reverted back because Windows 10 had nothing more to offer on that machine
@@abchack2 I see
My test Core 2 Duo laptop had a rather weak NVIDIA Quadro GPU (only 256MB of VRAM LOL)
I actually really like Windows 8.
It didn't start out like that though. I remember Christmas of 2012, opening a brand new Acer Aspire One. I was 13 and practically over the moon with excitement as I booted it up, only to have my hopes dashed with such extreme confusion as Windows 8 began it's setup. I struggled hard to adapt and learn the new UI, but I eventually mastered it. I definitely ignored the app parts of it though haha. I still downloaded everything traditionally from a website.
I again feel the same with Windows 10. I hate it. So much. Even though I've been using Windows 10 for years, I still find myself dragging my mouse to the upper rightside trying to bring up the UI.
I genuinely prefer windows 8, dx12 lags a lot for me and 8.1 is just better for me in general.
I did it quite like it from the very beginning. I mean, it's not like the start menu now being in fullscreen makes a major difference since you can still see all your important stuff in it anyway, but it also has some improvements in its file explorer and generally it doesn't look and feel too bad either. Well, in comparison to Windows 7 I still prefer 7 but at least Windows 8 is such a big upgrade over Windows 10 though. I would choose Windows 8 over 10 any day.
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Windows 8.x was misunderstood. It's most likely the fastest version of Windows they ever shipped, and with some work, you can have the positives of Windows 10 with the look and feel of Windows 7.
Windows 8 was horrible, no arguments there
But Windows 8.1 is, just like you said, the most polished and refined version of Windows to date.
Also, I actually kinda like the Start screen on Windows 8.1.
As someone who is old, I haven't liked a version of Windows since Windows 7
When I first built my desktop, 8.1 was still a few months away. In the end I decided to just go with Ubuntu because of how much trouble I'd seen with 8 and its lack of start menu especially. As soon as 8.1 dropped, though, I opted to give it a go. Literally all it took to change my mind was that the start menu came back.
Late to the party, but for all the problems Windows 8 had, I actually rather liked the Charms Bar feature (where you move your mouse to the bottom right corner and bring up something that's more or less the equivalent of the Start Menu). It took a while to get used to, but the gesture felt quite intuitive. I kind of miss that, even if I do like my present day Start Menu.
Same, muscle memory at this point
you aren’t late if there’s still ppl coming back to this video in 2024
Yes I really liked the performance. Its UI was definitely fluid. I wished this video would cover desktop improvements like File Explorer, Task Manager, Fast Startup, Win+X shortcuts, Defender, and many more. One of the things I disliked was we longer could play games like Midtown Madness. Windows 7 is the last one to be compatible natively.
Windows 8 came out around the time where SATA SSDs were starting to be in my price range. Given that I had just graduated from college, that wasn't too much. My fondness for Windows 8 is probably more "I can't believe how fast booting is with an SSD" combined with acceptance of the OS after finally getting used to it. It was amazing not having time to do my entire morning routine before the PC booted up like the XP days.
Windows 8 made people realise the 'connection' they had with desktops, and that they didn't want them to fall into the past. So from that perspective, it was an important product.
"Window 8 walked so that other could run", yeahhh... only if by running you mean being bloated and constantly requiring a Microsoft account.
Glad to see that 8 was both a terrible OS and the testing ground for some of 10 worst aspects, it really lives up to its reputation.
Pro tip, if you log in to your microsoft account and then change the password, it won't ask you to log in again, but it will act like an offline account. It will just give you a notification to "fix your account" every time you reboot. But be warned, I only learned that trick because once I logged on I couldn't figure out how to log off, it would always require me to log back in with a microsoft account, I couldn't get past it, according to some forum posts the outright removed the feature to do so. Only do this if you are already logged in and can't get out, or are willing to take the risk.
@@sirpretzel822 Thank for the tip, I will look into it.
@@sirpretzel822 Even better, you can turn off the internet connection when installing the OS and you can make a normal, old-school offline account. I've heard, however, that this doesn't work in Windows 11 Home.
I still use Windows 8 today. Why? It doesnt have the constant updates of Windows 10. It doesnt crash every PC game with DX12 like it did everyone in my multiplayer groups.
honestly if you have this much expectations from microsoft then better move to linux lol
My family updated to 8, then within like a week went back to 7 because 8 didn’t feel like it was built for a desktop, and we’re all rather tech savvy. My grandmother got updated to windows 8 at the same time we did and said she wasn’t able to use her computer for a few days (she’s not very tech savvy and doesnt know about tablets), so that was a fun experience all around.
I like 10 though!
I feel that the problem with Windows in general, is that the UI was near enough perfected in XP and never really needed to change at all. And with Windows 10, although it was a very welcome return to the familiar style which was never broken, it is not a great feel. It feels like they tried mend the broken vase and couldn't quite fit all the pieces back together properly. Windows 11 is an improvement, but it's blatantly just a reskin of 10. You only have to open the bonnet to see that it's the same engine.
As much as I liked live tiles, market clearly has shown that windows phone most likely failed due to similar reasons - metro UI (consumers) and UWP (developers), which is weird considering how much Steve Balmer loved developers.....
I think that Windows Phone failed because of 2 main reasons: Google actively sabotaging the platform and the questionable Microsoft decision of leaving behind the users when a big update is released, twice.
Which was a shame because objectively Windows Phone 8 was a great phone system for consumers. Super lightweight, could run on 512 mb of ram. So that was super cool for entry-level devices when Android-based phones of the same price range struggled to run okay on 1Gb. But also intricate and just as customizable as Android in terms of options. The look of it was more of a subjective point but personally I like the blockyness and the colors.
@@mvsv12 Agree with you. When Windows Phone 8 was released, people that have Windows Phone 7.5 can't upgrade to 8 for God knows why. Lack of essential apps like Google apps (which because they intend to not release it on Windows Phone), Snapchat, Instagram. Also Microsoft not fully support developers, policy changes too fast (when Windows Phone 10 released, they have big change and that means policy change again, which makes developers should update most of their app UI), and developers that I don't know why big companies and others like Facebook make Instagram app for WP so clunky and laggy.
It's so sad because flat design, dark mode, OLED dark mode, interactive rich text widgets, snappy UI animation, and almost everything from iOS and Android today were inspired by Windows Phone that was released like 8 or 9 years ago. Microsoft was ahead of its time yet don't know how to make their own product better.
@@vincentirving Now that you mentioned interactive rich text widgets the new iOS widgets looks very similar to the live tiles concept, almost a ripoff. Now I understand why when I saw the new widgets on my iPad I felt that they are oddly familiar
"DEVELOPERS, DEVELOPERS, DEVELOPERS, DEVELOPERS (alongside clapping his hands)" - Steve Balmer
Kinda funny how Microsoft's idea of appealing to the masses also seeps into other types of Media they create, look at the Bedrock Edition of Minecraft, a version made to run on almost any current day Device, even the Updates are structured in a way in which the game runs almost equally despite the Platform Differences.
When windows 8 initially released I loved it, it was a new take on windows all together, them comes a month later after using it I realized just how bad it was. It was the most unstable OS ever, constant blue screens, freezing, dll errors, lag switching between desktop and app menu and all in all it was extremely slow. Keep in mind all installs were fresh installs and I had it on multiple devices at the time and every device always had the same issue.
2012: This was awesome
2024: This was bad
Windows 8 launched when I was about 8 or so. I grew up using that OS after 7. I was at a young enough age to build familiarity. Most of the problems with aesthetics and UI people had were the result in being entrenched in prior versions of Windows. This does not mean they were wrong. We are all different in how we see things. The lack of the *option* for a traditional style of OS UI was the true misstep.
almost every windows version up to that point had a classic option
i remember as a kid being upset with the ui changes, it'd be fine if we could have a skin change like you suggested.
I absolutely HATED Windows 8 when it dropped and even before (I had heard about them implementing ARM support) I wasn't enthused. I knew the problems with XP but it was my favourite, even after it's support has ended (I no longer use it but it still remains my top windows OS). When I actually tried 8 it just felt like a tablet arrangement on a computer screen. It made sense on the tablet but not the other way round. -10/10 wouldn't install again.
I absolutely LOVED windows 8.1 and its desing, its so simple and elegant, i would still use it if i knew how to install it, gives me nostalgia
I prefer 7 because it made significant leaps in the ability to use more powerful RAM and have more disk space. One thing I miss from XP and earlier Windows though, is Starfield Stimulation screen saver.
Ok Malaysia, Clarence, Kick Buttowski and HS hater.
Having a headphone jack is going to be one of the biggest deciding factors of what phone I get next time I upgrade. The fact that other companies are starting to take part in Apple's massive gaslighting campaign to convince people they don't need one anymore is absolutely infuriating.
I’ve heard that budget phones today have an audio jack. I can’t say for certain though as my phone is second hand.
I loved the Windows 8 cuz it looked so modern and beautiful idk why people had that much hate it introduced so many beautiful apps to look groove and more
As a System Administrator, the changes that 8 and subsequently 8.1 made were fantastic, being able to right click the start menu was revolutionary for the time and saved hours for people in charge of maintaining enterprise sites. Server 2012 and 2012 r2 had a plentiful bounty of positive changes. And being able to show a user in there 40s or older how to do something and have it work on their PC, Phone and Tablet was an awesome idea and another great way to save time. IMHO the releases of this time was more for the Tablet market and Enterprise Admins. Personally 8.1 is one of my favorite windows releases only beaten by XP and 10.
I really dig the windows 8.1 start menu and overall changes at that time. Call me crazy or whatever, but 8.1 had its charm for me.
You must have a head injury
Crazy 😜
To be fair 8.1 was actually a pretty decent to use. That cannot be said for the original 8 tho.
Of all the annoying aspects of Windows 8 (most I've blocked out of my mind), the one that always stuck with me is that when you inserted new media, the dialog box that popped up asked you to "tap here to decide what to do." You don't tap with a mouse! Small thing, but it just underscored even the smallest detail assumed you were using a touchscreen.
I do miss the windows version for smartphones, it was so ahead of its time
I'm a Windows 8.1 hold-out. Still using it. I was hooked when I felt the massive leap in performance from the archaic Win7 system. I've never used a tablet, but I never minded the Metro UI full-screen start menu. A user is only in the start menu for about five seconds at a time anyways, so it's not like it's ever-present. This is, of course, where Microsoft starts to screw with settings, eschewing the utilitarian Control Panel for neutered, space-wasteful Settings pages, and they have gone 10x harder on ruining any power-user's experience in Windows 10 as far as that goes. I use Win 10 ever day as an IT professional, and I'm still happy to come home each day to Windows 8. The unending slew of soft-boiled patches in Windows 10 is infuriating, it's a flip of the coin whether we have to roll back and withdraw a recent patch, and one patch actively annihilated personal files because I dared to store my library folders in somewhere other than the C: drive, which was truly the unforgivable sin for me.
Windows 8 is still pleasantly moldable, and is before a time where disabling the egregious telemetry became like excavating a burrowed tick, as it is in Windows 10. It is every bit as fast as Win10, gets no feature updates any longer (a good thing, in my eyes), yet will receive security patching through 2025. The painful downside is finding out, day by day, which software is going to break because current developers don't acknowledge Windows 8.1 anymore and build exclusively for Win10.
Also, I just bought a 2019 Moto Z4 because it has a headphone jack. Don't sell it short, it's still a blessing of a feature.
Yeah even though my new laptop is better, windows 10 has been a fucking nightmare and I'm scared it will at some point try to force update to 11. I literally have several folders named fuck you windows 10 for file backups (named after a great quote from vinesauce joel during a microsoft movie maker stream)
Me too!
I am not alone!
Windows 8.1 was the best of both worlds between 7 and 8.
I guess people just get used to suffering, with forced updates and their system potentially suffering with problems it didn't have in the previous build.
Don't even get me started on compatibility issued that are non existent in 8.1
Honestly, Windows 8 was fine if you did a few tweaks... basically returning the start menu with a 3rd party app and keeping Metro out... it then became a pretty great experience...
Honestly, even as a tablet interface, Metro felt large and clunky... ipad and android use the interface they use for a reason... and for a keyboard and mouse... it really sucked...
Your "Get Back" easter egg hasn't gone unnoticed. Great vid 👍. Personally I really enjoyed Windows 8.1 with the returned Start Button and the ability to have a transparent background - it made the Start screen feel much more integrated while keeping the live tiles.
9 days left till 2023 and i am still watching this on Windows 7
TeamViewer: turn off wallpaper to speed up work with remote pc
Microsoft: What about a fullscreen animated menu?
It wasn't animated when TeamViewer was active though... Was it? Normally TeamViewer disables animations, if I remember right.
@@awesomeferret tw didn't turn off animations, i'am using TW on a daily basis and connecting to stock win8 is *pain*
Windows 8.1 was amazing on tablets. The gestures worked well and mixed with the desktop apps surprisingly well. It was certainly a better tablet experience than Windows 10 provides today.
Am using 8.1 right now.
8.1 was... decent... on PC as well... Mind you, I still only used it because that was all I had (kind of a dick move when you buy one prebuilt PC rather than another SPECIFICALLY because it had windows 7 on it and then the shop 'upgrades' that model of prebuilt to 8 between when you order and when they get around to shipping it... but hey, on the up side, at least they still included an Actual Goddamn CD (or was it a dvd?) so that when my laptop came with goddamn Windows 10 and all of ITS bullshit (And yes, I tried Linux. Didn't know enough of what I was doing so got the shop guys to install it... yeah, That was a mistake, they were no more capable than I was, contrary to their claims.) I could actually install something that was ... less... awful. (let's not even get into the whole scam that is including a 'back up' or whatever on a software partition on the Same Physical Drive and claiming that meets legal requirements (I forget the exact wording, but they're required to provide the software such that you can re-install it yourself in the event that the drive, oh, I don't know... Fails and Needs To Be Replaced! gaararrrgh!))
Still using that windows 8.1 desktop machine for gaming, mind you, but that's only going to last until the Steamdeck is actually a thing here, and I've ditched windows entirely for everything else.
Can't be long untill a "Why people hated Windows 11" video comes out soon.
God I hope windows 11 is a fucking disaster lmao
@Сеня I said i hope it is
Gosh, I was 3 when Windows 8.0 was released, so I couldn't really try it out, but now in 2024, testing it in a Virtual Machine I actually love the astetics of Windows 8.0.
I remember trying to use it at work, and as someone who regularly uses advanced windows features, I simply couldn't find ANY of the things I often use. It was a nightmare!
I was a beta tester for windows 10 and it made me miss windows 8 at first, I was one of my few friends who defended windows 8 actually. 8.1 was a great upgrade.
I still miss windows 8 because it was a huge upgrade considering using windows Vista in the past for quite long. Windows 8 was already baked into my gaming laptop when I got it. It was confusing at first but it did work like a charm because the trackpad can navigate the main menu of windows 8. I might say differently if I'd experienced it using in a desktop, but for laptops it was "ok".
I still use Windows 7, both in my desktop and laptop. I've had 3 Windows 10 laptops, every single one was stolen. The windows 7 laptop was also stolen, but the battery was so lousy the thief actually returned it. Future versions only got bigger, uglier, and generally less compatible. Win 11 and 10S I refuse; less ability to use programs I want, and too much corporate control or spying. I also would not buy any computer with a tiny hard drive that relies on using a Cloud. Windows 8 did nothing that was good. Windows Defender is NOT Malwarebytes. Having it built into Windows 10 required me to go through a great ordeal to disable it so that I could run programs I wanted without having them deleted.
5:18 "tablets would make PC's obsolete" lol as if 😂😂😂
Lol ikr. It didn't happened.
It said that they removed the start screen from Windows 8😢
You can make the start menu on 10 and maybe 11 full-screen, bit it really isn't the same...😢
3:19 to skip paid promo
there's chapters
"We have come now to a time where regular executeables and apps can coexist peacefully"
Am i the only one who completely disagrees with this? I'd much rather not use something at all than download it from the microsoft store lol
I think at a time (due to the existence of Windows RT which exclusively ran apps) we were worried that apps would replace executables, bringing with it the closed nature of iOS and to a lesser extent Android. We don't really have those fears anymore.
I actually agree with you as well. I still prefer using executable programs on a PC, but I do think that apps are much more tolerable now on Windows 10 than they ever were with Windows 8. Thanks for watching! :)
This is a horrible take. Literally look at the Windows 11 Microsoft Store, you can even install web browsers from it now
@@Icybubba i can, but why should i? i feel to boomer to understand
@@qnjhaw5uzwm476 that's okay, we all turn into boomers eventually
I remember my teacher always getting mad about his windows 8 laptop while trying to show us something via the projector xD It became kind of an inside joke in class at some point