Technical uses for nail varnish.
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- Опубликовано: 3 янв 2018
- I recently mentioned a temperature sensitive nail varnish that could be used to detect hot components. This video is about that varnish and other ones that are useful for technical tasks. Here's a starter search on eBay for the colour changing gels. The most vivid red/yellow one will have a number like 5718. They sell them in multi-colour packs or as single colour bottles for a few dollars. You may find it useful to buy a small UV nail curing lamp too.
www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from...
If you want to buy glow in the dark pigment then the keywords are Strontium Aluminate. Quite expensive for the proper stuff, but a little goes a long way.
www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from...
Choose the green/yellow or green/blue colour for highest intensity.
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The white light is a safety feature to protect your eyesight. Your pupils won't contract (or not as much) to the intense UV light causing blindness or eye damage with extended exposure. The white light makes the pupils contract protecting your retinas.
Given his skill at painting nails we know Big Clive isn't moonlighting as a drag queen.
The best way to lie is to lie badly when you don't care if you get caught.
At least, not a very good one
his beard would look just marvi with that red , low cut evening gown! Ha HA
Just his toenails. SSHHHHH !
Charlie Dobbie what makes a good drag queen?
As someone who loves both tech and nail art, I found this video both informative and hilarious. :D
+karlibell22 --> ikr? Him painting his nails reminded me of being a young kid and not having a clue how to paint my nails correctly. LOL I hope he has some ethyl acetate around or getting that polish off is gonna take him a while. :)
Paint a stripe with that colour changing stuff on your mug and see if you can tell how much hot tea is left from the outside…
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@@harveysmith100 That's a ruddy good idea!
Paint an old A1 (or any size) picture frame backing with glow in the dark paint, put it back in the frame hang it on the wall and use your UV laser to draw and doodle on it. I've had one hanging in my room for a couple year now! Never gets old.
Look for the photoluminescent sheets used for making emergency warning signs. You can get them blank as plain glow in the dark panels.
Nail Tech in Training here! Thanks so much for the fun video. Not often I get a cross over between my hardcore tech nerd side and my nail art, but this was awesome.
The UV gel polish WILL cure outside but actually not as fast as you'd think. It's really about the intensity of the UVA and natural light is very dispersed (especially in say Canada or the middle of the Irish Sea). And yes, it takes a lot of solvents to soak that stuff off, but not as much as two-part acrylic nails where the monomer and polymer mix on the nail (usually with the aid of a bonding agent). It's not as scary as the 10 000 RPM efile drills we use to take off the real resin nails (hard gel) that isn't affected by acetone. The clear polish and gel polish however aren't resins, they're lacquers and so can be weakened with a larger variety of solvents. We just go for the hard stuff right away. ;)
Did you know REVLON nail polish was literally based on the latest car paints of the day, and some cheap polishes still use it. The crazy amount of chemicals involved in the beauty industry is staggering, check it out sometime!
Thanks for the fab content as always!
As a lady who paints her nails, thermochromic nail polishes give a really pretty effect on longer nails, with the part in the nail plate one colour, and the tips another. It’s really just a bit of fun, all these interesting polishes.
CanadianDot just think if big clive was in American you would have had about 23k comments on you're nails 😂
As a guy, does it let us know when you're angry or cool?
I suppose for Canadians, they have thermochromes for sub-zero temps, right?
Anvilshock 😂 best comment for 2018
Yeah, my girlfriend is into weird nail polishes and thermochromic is maybe the nicest one she ever tried. Glow in the dark gave me shock every time I woke up in the middle of night and her hands were glowing right next to me, in total darkness it was really freaky. I will never, ever mention that concrete one to her.
Whenever Clive says "is this a good idea", millions of voices suddenly cried out "No!" in terror and were suddenly silenced.
That's only because those handful of millions have yet to realise that it is a good thing to know about stuff. (That's when the sudden silence comes in which is the "Oh" moment.)
I'm pretty sure the Star Wars reference was lost on Anvilshock. ; )
I'm pretty sure it was not.
I can imagine Clive finding one of these nail polishes discounted at a chemist then going to the counter with tons of bottles. I'd like to see the cashier's face.
FRIENDLY JAPANESE BUSINESSMAN In British English, Chemist means Pharmacist.
Just imagine Big Clive buying make-up and Ashens next in the queue with an arm load of children's toys.
Ashens would also have a big pile of "Hunger Breaks" tinned food.
Mister Hat And army rations from 1940
"Hi, Clive. The usual today?"
Bigclive is FABULOUS
Been using clear nail polish for repairing rips in paper cone speakers for years.
I use PVA glue for that as it sounds better.
I have a rip in one of my speaker cones at the min, think I will try this
+1 for the PVA repair.. you can also add a little "patch" of tissue paper if required, when repairing more "robust" tears.
+Andrew Hull. I've been known to use PVA diluted with water to semi-soak the area and then re-pulp the paper with a stiff brush and/or by scratching it with a pin a bit. Then it's fairly simple to re-mix the fibres somewhat from each side of the tear (preferably from both sides of the cone) and then patch with tissue or similar. Drying is a slow process....
I was given some Wharfedale speakers which had been driven hard when they were still slightly damp from being poorly stored in a shed. The cones fractured right around where the voicecoil attaches and I managed to repair them in this way. They sound great to this day.
I should have said re-pulp the surfaces of the cone, not mush the whole thing. That way the repair gets some strength from the cone as well as the patches.
Black nail varnish is very useful for coating unnecessary instrument panel LEDs on boats. All those bright dots of light that only show that the devices are powered on are a nuisance when navigating at nighttime.
I'd never thought of that - and with a little care, more aesthetic than bits of electrical tape stuck all over. ;)
Good point!
I always used Furr Bear's electrical tape, but yeah, that should look nicer.
Another use of the clear-coat nail polish (on this side of the pond) is to make sure noone can try to swipe the license-plate sticker on your car.
Tapio Peltonen cover it with red assuming that it's a white light so that it doesn't affect your eyes as red light will not disturb your night vision in fact red light is even used on submarines and poultry Farms to simulate night
I'd never thought of that... I bet it works well on household devices that have annoying LEDs too.
Would be cool to make a 7-segment clock out of resistors with the colour changing varnish.
Now THAT is a brilliant idea! That's my weekend sorted out... if I can get a bottle of the varnish.
Brilliant!
You could use a temperature sensor to read the ambient and bias the resistors to just below their transition to possibly get a seconds capable display. I would use metal film or wire resistors for best long term stability.
Now to find some linear Peltier elements!
Good idea! Damn... I might have to try this now.
That's a great idea! I'd love to see it.
Prehistoricman Some Chinese company just read your comment and now have a shitty version of your idea up for sale on Banggood. Lol (not really, but you know what I mean)
I can't speak of the chemistry, but back when I was painting cars and airbrushing, I was quite interested in the Eclipse brand of custom paints. They have/had a couple of paints that change with temperature. They are extremely useful because they changed from either "black" (really a dark grey) to white or from blue to white. You apply these as a base layer and then get creative with candy colors over the top. It's super expensive as a base paint, and extremely risky to play with. Basically you are creating your graphics blind with simi-transparent candies that are more like dyes over the cold and dark colored background. Candies like all colors dry to a matte finish. They are hard to see over a light colored surface, and are extremely unforgiving as any unintentional overlap will only get darker with continuous coverage... Anyways... The paints from Eclipse are by far the most dramatic transition paint I have ever seen. They used to have a few RUclips videos 5-6 years ago showing a sink and toilet that changed colors with use. If memory serves, that paint is a 2 part base coat. I believe there is an adjustable margin for temperature transition based on the mixing ratio. I almost painted a motorcycle with the stuff, but the guy backed out of that one after I quoted a final materials cost versus typical HoK premium paints. The Eclipse paints made a big deal about using their special higher UV stability clear coat. Mixing a new type of base, with another brand's candies, and a new unfamiliar clear coat is a very risky way to make a paycheck as a painter. It's definitely some cool stuff to check out if it's still around. I haven't painted since '09 so who knows these days.
Black to white:
ruclips.net/video/gCpKwA_iUcw/видео.html
Blue to white:
ruclips.net/video/WK1XCWvBJlQ/видео.html
Cool stuff IMO ;)
Try to get insurance on any car that changes colour ;)
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I changed the color of my Camaro from green to red and no one really seems to care. It doesn't change colors on it's own but I've never had problems because of it.
-Jake
Make your own personalized mugs with colour change action, also glow in the dark, so you can find your brew in power cuts.
Or a glowing message on a mug when the work lights get turned off...
If you have no power chances are you wont have a brew.
LifeOfAnEnglishman Gas camping stove 😎
This is my new favorite video on all of RUclips
I am a 35 year old lady who is big into nail art and electronics
Thank you sir for this unexpected but very very awesome combination
Fyi you can get color change nail polish that is the air dry kind too
And as far as different if sources curing the gel polish it can but some of these polishes are developed to cure only at very specific wavelengths so it is what you would call a crap shoot
But once in an emergency i used a novelty blacklight to successfully cure my nails
Thank You Clive You Rock
Had similar idea on having marked 3d printer head to see if it is still hot, burned black around 120-140"C and sadly never recovered back to yellow. Oh well, live and learn.
Jo Russ well this stuff seems pretty sensitive so maybe paint it on to something that is close to the hot end? im thinking the wire to the thermocouple should work as its pretty close to it please let me know if you give this a try it might just actually work if my head is not in airplane mode.
Stoned Savage Yeah. Finding a good spot with ir thermometer should help.
Dmitriy M i didnt think of that haha i pretty much forgot they even exist good call on that one although its quite an expensive investment just to find a goodspot for some heat reactive nail polish.
Stoned Savage I have a small pen-like ir thermometer. Must be under $10 and come in handy from time to time anyway.
After that I just went and bought normal thermometer with led display. It is visible in the dark and actually cheaper than nail lacquer lol...
you should get 10 different kinds of laquer and test for conductivity
"Do I get a shock through this one?" *touch* "nope".....
Hey Gaiz or just get a life?....
> you should get 10 different kinds of laquer and test for conductivity
I can see Clive (or me) mixing up aluminium powder, graphite, and clear lacquer to make a range of custom paint-on resistors. Say goodbye to surface mounts.
As an avionics technician back in the 70's, I used a bright red nail polish to replace thread locker. You only have to put a drop on the outside edge of a bolt or screw. I never had the nerve to put it on the threads and I never had a single screw or bolt come loose.
Presumably these days they have specific protocols to follow using approved chemicals with known performance?
They brought that in after all Eddie's planes fell out of the sky that day.
Next video: cosmetic use of conformal coating, solder mask and potting epoxy?
Conformal Coating as an alternative to body wax. Clive tries it out on his beard.
Majenko Technologies Ow
And of course, using UV curable solder mask paint as nail varnish. And we come full circle :)
What about using heatshrink as a latex alternative?
What application for the "latex" are you considering? And would the type with the glue inside be a Very Bad Idea Indeed?
Nail varnish can also be used to fix trimmer position ;) It's good when you want to fine-tune and then lock some settings on a circuitboard (in amplifiers, transmitters and so on).
It's cheaper than thread-locker when purchased -- but _no one_ who has ever purchased thread-locker has ever thrown the least amount if it in the garbage.
You missed one Clive! Fran has used pearlescent nail polish to coat Leds to make their light more diffuse! (See her electronic firefly project).
Seems to require good quality polish, or good technique.
Never thought I would be watching a big Clive video of you putting nail polish on your fingernail xD
I've come to expect things like this from Clive's channel.
Slippery slope, last week it was cooking and this week its nail varnish. AvE did some sewing on his channel as well! 🤔
You missed the butt-plug videos, didn't you?...
Paul O'Sullivan Where did you imagine him putting it then?
"Oh no! Right.......It now looks like I stuck my finger into a meat mincer"
Bloody hilarious. 🤣
I couldn't stop laughing.
Just the thought of Big Clive trying on nail polish. 😀😁😂🤣😃
Not the first mincer he's stuck his finger into, I bet.
"If i heat it up with my hand, It's kinda sticky"
I've heard that before
Finger blast ftw!
Oo-er
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Another use for the clear nail polish that I learned in a geology course is as a clear-coat for markings. In the geology class we were taught the technique of marking rocks by first painting an unobtrusive part with white-out, then writing one's not with ball-point pen, and then seal with clear nail polish. I've taken that same technique to marking circuit boards. Even using the clear nail polish as an additional coating to help keep little tiny p-touch labels from being easily picked off. Note, the acitone solvent in the nail polish will cause some inks to smear (for example sharpie ink). You may need to experiment with ink types to find one that works best for your application.
Clive, you have a powerful effect on me! Just before Christmas I bought several packages of clear blue, diffused blue, super bright clear blue, slow changing RGB, fast changing RGB, IR, UV, clear super bright white LED's and "NOW" after whatching this video about 10 or 15 times on my own and with my best friend Shane a couple times, I'll be ordering some of the Strontium Aluminate powder in the really cool glow in the dark green and probably all the other colors available since Shane's seen this video too! I've been into electronics since I was a kid but after working in electronics for more years than I care to admit, ya I'm a very old 54 now and retired, I kinda lost interest in just playin around with parts and bread boards, but you've put the "FUN" back into it for me! Thank you VERY MUCH for that Clive! You're awesome!
+JayH7745 If you do buy some of the selection packs of powders then you may find you get one pack of the modern strontium stuff and the other colours may be the older duller zinc technology. Some colours like purple are very dim.
bigclivedotcom Thank you for the heads-up Clive! I'll be careful when we order these! Thanks! :)
When you turn on the UV, I dashed for my protective googles. 😄
I worked in NASCAR for a few years and we used temperature activated paint on the inside of wheels and other places on the car. You get an instant idea if it’s hot or not.
I like that all of your vises are always FUN!
Many thanks for showing the colour changing polish. I just got myself some and actually use it on electric plugs as a safety measure to see when a plug is overheating. It's quite easy to see.
Brilliant! Another great video Clive. Stay warm and dry in that storm.
My wife was cringing away whilst watching Clive dollop the gel polish onto his nail. But she was suitably impressed with the outcome
I used nail polish extensively in my shop to match Allen screws on the machines to the wrenches that go in them. Ditto for other kinds of wrenches. It's all color coded. The pots and pot lids in my kitchen as well. This little thing has saved me countless hours wasted searching for "the right one".
I have a bottle of red nail polish. And I color coat all of my USB connections and all of the USB ports on components. It has really helped. The amount of time in the dark behind a computer. Trying to shove a USB upside down into a port is now a thing of the past. I also have black nail polish. That works great on my black car. Thanks for all the vids
Thank you Clive for sharing the wonders of the universe.
Great video Clive. I have another use for nail varnish that you may not have thought about - using it as a really low strength thread lock for tiny screws and nuts.
I repair vintage cameras and often require the screws to be fixed tightly, but not over tightened to the point where it would be difficult to remove. Once the screw is tightened up, a small blob of clear nail varnish over the screw head prevents it from unwanted loosening, but it’s weak enough to be undone should you require. I’ve used this trick on spectacle frame screws, guitar bridge adjustment screws, cameras, and many other items.
Red nail varnish can be used on nuts and bolt heads as a indicator to show if they have loosened off, a small line of varnish over the bolt head and onto the surface beneath will easily show if the fastener has worked loose.
Looking fabulous again, Clive.
Clive, you come up with the coolest stuff, good job!
Hey Clive. Thanks to you I had some fantastic results using the Fairy Gel. What I did was paint the heatsink (quite large) which is attached to a mosfet on one of my systems. Using the laser temp guage I was able check approximate temp across the heatsink, giving me a good visual estimate of temperature as the mosfet temp increased. Super idea for a quick and easy estimate. Plus it looks cool. Thanks!
Hi Clive - greetings from Finland! Nail varnish is also pretty useful for modifying potentiometer tracks, in that painting over the very end of the wiper travel where the maximum resistance is achieved adds point where the wiper is electrically isolated from the track. Fun stuff.
I have been using clear nail polish for decades. Sometimes its the easiest way to insulate small wire repairs to prevent shorts. Never came across the colour changing one but that definitely useful. The glow in the dark seems interesting too.
One of Clive's best videos EVER, I laughed so much!
Nothing so complicated. We like color-changing polish because it's fun and looks cool.
the clear varnish is also good for pesky tiny screws. Like locktite. Either over the head of the screw once in position, or even on the thread.
10:10 "Let's give my finger a blast as well" :D
Just about to post the same thing! hahaha Fingerblast, Nice. ruclips.net/video/R4C3Lh71yFQ/видео.html
Creased me up that comment 😂
Not sure how I learned something about cosmetics from your channel, but I'm getting uv curing nail polish immediately. I HATE waiting for it to dry. Thanks!
Or maybe I won't. What's the point of saving 5-10 minutes putting it on if it takes 15 minutes to take it off, nevermind the solvent soaking.
Tangentially, I wonder how many people have set their fingers on fire by smoking or something after / while soaking
I love this trick. I've been using thermal paper stickers (Dymo labels and such) to do this. The no-brand labels I use transition at about 60 degrees C, but obviously don't reset.
That's actually a good idea. I'll have to try that.
Thank you for your sacrifices in the name of gadgetry.
Who would have believed it would be so interesting watching paint dry 😊
Our washing machine’s stator windings were scored when the rotor hub broke. I carefully separated all the damaged windings, and covered them with clear nail polish to insulate them again, and with a new hub, two years later the machine is still running perfectly.
Also used to use it to lock azimuth and alignment adjustment screws in tape decks and VCRs back in the day.
A lovely - sort of - seat-of-the-pants video. Great!
I've used clear nail polish and rolling papers to "fix" holes in speaker surrounds or cones on several occasions. The combination works very well and makes for a lasting repair if done correctly
You don’t need colour changing nail varnish to tell if she’s angry 😣
Or if you do... That's WHY
You do if you are Sheldon and it will prevent him carrying around that big machine. Watch Big Bang Theory tonight!
I poop'd on a Barn Owl.
hurr womin funee
Also works as a thread locking liquid for very small nuts and bolts that commercial liquid lockers will permanently bond. With nail polish, a little acetone and the smallest parts are easily dis-assembled. I've been using it that way for over 40 years.
Ha-ha, fun to watch as always... :) Like the use of the colour changing nail varnish :)
I knew saving all of my mom's nail varnishes would come into handy one day
Nail polish is good for "personalizing" your tools. It really sticks well, and the colors are unique.
Some great tips. Thank you.
Awesome as always
So now I'll have to go and get more nail varnish, getting on for 100 bottles.
Love the colour change one.
As usual Clive another great video thanks for the trouble you go to. Another use for nail varnish is it works really good at sealing the threads of carburettor jets where there may be some wear it keeps the fuel from entering via the threads instead of the jet hole. If it gets by the threads as well as the jet hole it results in too rich a fuel air mix. Nail varnish don't seem to be effected by petrol.
I worked in electronics for a ...... number ...... of years. The PCB dept used white "correction fluid" pen to mark the board with a serial number, or what ever. They then used clear nail polish over it to "seal it". It worked really well.
Been using the clear acrylic for some time now, very, very handy for sooo many things. Get the quick drying one.
Used to carry a bottle of clear in my toolbox. Couldn't give a toss about the looks I got lol. 101 uses.
For the first time, I have subscribed to a channel because it had the nail polish I was looking for. erm... After the prom, I intend to use it to remind me that my video xmitter is a tiny pizza oven that needs to fly.
when i worked in a mountain bike shop we would touch up scratches on bike frames and forks with nail varnish as there was loads of colours and a lot matched the paint on the bikes .
There is lot of good uses for clear nail polish. My favorite one is making waterproof matches with it.
Very interesting stuff. Nice idea to put it on the resistor so you will know visually when it goes above whatever temperature the stuff is rated at. I know it is 20 degrees which is quite low in this case but it could have other useful applications if you could get ones that change at different temps.
A liquid crystal sheet is quite useful for playing "where's the hot component?" You can pick them up for $10 to $20. I bought one at Edmund's Scientific (there were a bunch of oddly cut ones in the Surplus Room) and I've used it for years. Just lay it over the printed circuit board, power up the board and wait for the hotspot to appear. Much cheaper than an infrared camera.
The "magnetic viewing sheet" cousin of the LC sheet is great for checking for DC magnetic fields.
I see a number of "thermochromic" pigments and paints on Amazon.
Glossy Taco for your PCB, Good use.
Wouldn't mind seeing a video of you giving us a tour of your workspace!
Great,Concrete nail varnish!!! No need to spend the money just go to a building site and poke about. Happy new year.
You're suspiciously skillful with that nail varnish. : -)
I really would not have expected a makeup tutorial on this channel
I also find it useful to use nail polish as a cable management solution. By color coding the ends of each cable, you can identify which cable is which quite easily.
Clive I use areosol PCB laquer. I spray it into the cap and use a tiny brush to apply it locally. No gunked up potentiometers. Hope it helps.
The 20 C colour change point might be fine for Scotland or even IoM but I will hardly ever see red where I live unless I put it in the fridge!
Indeed. Summer here presently and it doesn't get much below 25C even on the coolest night.
I don't know why I'm watching this, but I'm fascinated
I've literally got dozens of different types of nail effect polishes.... it's call fashion that us women do in the name of vanity... and you guys live the ladies to look nice.... :o)
There was a UTube recently about making a thermochromic pigment. I don't have it to hand, but it had a yellow/orange transition too. From memory, it featured some heavy metals.
I quite frequently use nail varnish for painting gun sights as well. Cheap glow in the dark or fluorescent sights and easy to apply.
There's one sold in the US which is sensitive to magnetic fields when drying. Good for showing the poles on multipole magnets.
Cats eye. I'll probably get some from eBay to play with at some point.
I have a few bottles of nail polish in most of my surf bags makes a strong and easy fix for surfboard dings
Icey_u12 so if we add some color changing art work to our boards we'll know how warm or cold water is👍 actually had the thought of sticking one of those color temp sensitive thermometer stickers on my board.
That nail looks like you trapped it in the car door. Interesting fashion statement lol
When we had a few ladies assembling and calibrating our circuit boards, they used red fingernail lacquer to seal (or indicate) the trim pots were already adjusted. When they retired, we changed to corona dope for the same purpose.
The color change one is intriguing. But to know if it would be really useful would need a little more exact info. What actually is the transition temperature?
By the way, the clear polish at least used to be acrylic, same stuff that some conformal coating spray cans contain. That is why acetone is the usual cleaning solvent for it. The ladies’ cleaner is a mixture of acetone and some oil to reduce the harsh end result.
I tested the resistor by gradually turning the voltage up until the colour change occurred and the thermal imaging camera suggested the transition point was 20C
Nail varnish is also handy for a quick crank bait fix. Dabby-dab, UV pen light, back in the water. 👌
"I should get my finger a blast as well" (10:10)
I love this channel because you don't know what sort of things you'll end up hearing :)
I bought a bunch of fluorescing powders through Ebay from China and used them with clear nail varnish on some glass lamps. One fluoresces with an ordinary bulb for 45 seconds when the lamp is turned off. I found my first pink/green uranium glass last weekend it has a huge amount of pitchblende. Some of my 19th century uranium glass is also high in uranium oxides.
Just what I needed... Another youtube makeup tutorial! ;)
Oh I have to watch this. I have this stuff all over the house. Some even magnetized.
Dark green (or whatever the PCB colour is) is great when your repairing or completely replacing burnt track using heavy gauge TC wire, it makes the job look neat (an invisible repair at a glance), but also helps with insulation, especially when repairing track on a relay board that carries 240 or 3 phase.
Interesting, indeed. You can cover your prototype PCB lines with nail varnish before you etch them, using the varnish, a syringe and a hypodermic needle. You can't do very thin lines and extremely difficult boards, but it's great for a start.
Clive, the things you subject yourself to, all in the name of science.
I keep a bottle of deep blue nail polish (company color) at my bench and use it for fixing adjustment screws on pots and capacitors after alignment or tuning. It provides some small drift prevention due to mechanical shock, and also an indicator for tampering.
excellent video 👍
NICE!!! Great Idea
Yes, many lacquers are conductive. Check if the label says anything about calcium content. And only use the clear stuff, not the coloured ones that may contain metallic/conductive pigments. Cheers!
And to think, we've been sealing screws on tape recorder head azimuth adjustment pillars for donkeys years, also very good for locking screws when replacing VCR heads. Quite handy too for cementing small low power TO220 devices etc.
Can also be used for decorating finger nails - apparently!
Funny you talk about nail varnish. Today I ordered a UV curing one for PCB experiments. Either for the etching process or as a soldermask. We'll see whether that works at all.
Ditto. Used ones are dirt-cheap on ebay. Shipping is most often more expensive than the item itself.