“You are wrong. If there is anything I have learned in my travels across the Planes, it is that many things may change the nature of a man. Whether regret, or love, or revenge or fear - whatever you believe can change the nature of a man, can. I've seen belief move cities, make men stave off death, and turn an evil hag's heart half-circle. This entire Fortress has been constructed from belief. Belief damned a woman, whose heart clung to the hope that another loved her when he did not. Once, it made a man seek immortality and achieve it. And it has made a posturing spirit think it is something more than a part of me.” also.... Updated my freaking journal
Something I find mind blowing about this game's logo is the fact that I thought the top part of it, initially, was the black maw of some strange alien creature, but after playing through the game I saw the black symbol and I knew what it was. It was Deionarra.
"I will wait for you in death's halls my love." The bit where TNO opened the bronze sphere and discovered his name was the first, last, and only time I've ever cried at a game.
Ascyltos That epic EXP boost is pretty nice too, but yeah, so many moments in the game are unforgettable. When you use Deionarra's Sensory Stone in the Clerks Ward and experience first hand the abuse TNO put her through in his past life is also pretty powerful stuff.
Nordom: "Attention, Morte: I have a question. Do you have a destiny? A purpose?" Morte: "Is Annah still wearing clothes?" Nordom: "Affirmatory." Morte: "Then the answer is yes....
"The sphere wrinkles in your hands, the skin of the sphere peeling away into tears and turning into a rain of bronze that encircles you. Each droplet, each fragment that enters you, you feel a new memory stirring, a lost love, a forgotten pain, an ache of loss - and with it, comes the great pressure of regret, regret of careless actions, the regret of suffering, regret of war, regret of death, and you feel your mind begin buckling from the pressure - so MUCH, all at once, so much damage done to others... so much so an entire FORTRESS may be built from such pain."
That moment when you open the bronze sphere is just incredible. The writing is second to none. Possibly my favorite moment from the whole game though there are a few others that are as great.
Hearing this song made me remember how I answered the game's question, "What can change the nature of a man?" I chose "Regret", and being in the Fortress of Regret seemed to validate the choice.
+Brian U It's, ah... not regret. Or rather, it may be your personal answer, but regret itself is not what the game was going for. Regret is only a part of the answer. Getting the right answer can be tricky. You see, this game is kind of in love with the Wisdom stat. In many (many) situations you'll need a high Wis score to get a shot at the whole story. Naturally, the endgame is no different. You need The Nameless one to have at least 24 Wis to get the right answer as a conversation option in the final confrontation. It's probably the most quoted bit from the game, actually. It actually makes sense in-universe: TNO needs beyond-godly perspective in order to fully understand the implications of (and beyond) his own predicament. Something that even the Original Incarnation lacked. If he hadn't, he sure as shit wouldn't have made the deal with Ravel in the first place, and so much misery would have been averted.
+0Advocat0 Having played through the game again and given it some thought, my own personal interpretation is, like you said, regret isn't *the* answer. Ravel says as much, that it can be a different answer for different people and still be valid (since the ultimate answer, really, is belief). Bear in mind though, when you first open the way to the Fortress of Regrets TNO hasn't made his realization that belief is the key. It is his overpowering feeling of regret that opens the way to the final act, to an enormous monument to the pain he's caused. What I think the game was going for is that regret is the canon choice, the one that most resonates with both the theme of the game and TNO's quest. The word comes up again and again from people all over the game, from Trias to a harlot to the Bronze Sphere.
Diplomacy path in a nutshell. "You'll die and I will live forever." "Nope, you'll die too." "Dammit." (Fusion) "Hey guys, I'm going to hell. Be good, kay?"
Life is strange is the modern equivalent to Torment? Teenager melodrama is equivalent to thousands of years of suffering? No I don't think it is, and I won't thank you later
I think there's breathtaking stuff in few other games yet it's true that Ps T is pretty much flawless in its category. Most elaborate characters and lore I've ever seen in a game and immense immersive power. i just played it for the first time and had to make pauses sometimes because of the impact of certain scenes and revelations (still i completed almost every quest in 2 days).
@@foxmulder8955 Nice to see there are others that still appreciate this gem. I played it a couple of years ago for the first time and was blown away, but I think the vast majority of today's gamers wouldn't be able to look past the graphics or the copious text.
And at the end you discover that the true Nameless One's name is... Rob Zombie. Just kidding. But still, I thought I never cried as much as I had when I finally opened the Bronze Sphere, and felt the friendly hand of the First One in your shoulder, as a long and distant friend finally meeting you... That until all my friends were revived and the last farewells were said. The friendships, the love, the overall loyalty... This game changed my perception. And at last, but not least, I was happy to just tell Deionarra the truth. I wasn't in love with her, but love didn't changed her nature, the truth did. In my ending, I think I "saved" everyone, and Deionarra was no longer trapped in torment waiting for me, be it in the Death's Halls or at her heart. I only regret not being able to save Ignus, that poor soul. In the end, Ravel was right... The GUILT changed Morte's nature. The LOVE changed Annah's nature. (also Ravel's) The BURDEN and FAITH changed Dak'kon's nature. The POWER and DEATH changed Ignus' nature. The CHOICE changed Fall-From-Grace's nature. The QUESTIONING/REBELLION changed Nordom's nature. The ORDER and VENGEANCE changed Vhailor's nature. The REJECTION changed Tria's nature. The ILLUSION of LOVE changed Deionarra's nature. But, for me... TORMENT/SUFFERING changed TNO's/TTO's nature.
You can save Ignus if you play an Evil character. That way you'll face Vhailor instead of Ignus in the Fortress, and once you resurrect Ignus the restored Nameless One will grant Ignus' ultimate wish.
@@jokhard8137 Ignus in his madness wanted all existence to burn. So the Nameless One sent him to the Elemental Plane of Fire, an infinity of endlessly burning and unquenchable flame. Ignus wouldn't get to set things aflame anymore, but he at least would be happy living there, where all of existence on that plane would burn forever.
What feels a man who complete this game first time? My first time was two days ago. I want to drown in forgetfulness in Limbo and cry forever in torment of my (as The Nameless One) doings. This is probably the most beautiful game I will ever see. It can definitely change the nature of a man...
Lech Golas yeeah, as soon as I finished this I wanted to play more stuff like this, now playing baldur's gate 1, I also got 2, icewind dale and divinity series on the list, especially baldur's gate is so much fun to play
Ege Baysal I could recommend Neverwinter Nights 2 and especially expansion pack: Mask of the Betrayer. My first rpg games. Father of Torment was general director of the second one and you will feel the same spirit, but only in the dlc. Baldur's Gate is great, but it doesn't have the things that I loved in Torment. Unfortunately, there is no similar games to PS:T with the soul and the philosophical issues, or I don't know any other. And You?
Lech Golas I'll certainly will try Neverwinter aswell, and nope. dont know any other game like ps:t..Only hope is to wait and see the Tides of Numenera
Lightice1 You're exactly correct. This is one reason why Planescape: Torment comes out to be so much superior in terms of narrative than more recent, fully voice acted games. You can't animate certain things that can be described in a paragraph. To anybody who enjoys reading novels, Planescape: Torment is a masterpiece.
"If there is anything I have learned in my travels across the Planes, it is that many things may change the nature of a man. Whether regret, or love, or revenge or fear - whatever you believe can change the nature of a man, can." The above is one of my favourite gaming quotes of all time. Perfectly encapsulating the ideal answer to the over-arcing question and possibly the best way to end the encounter with the Transcendent One. Regardless of the answer, whatever one believes may change the nature of a man will be their answer. For me, I guess it is belief that may change the nature of a man.
Pondering that answer also led me to another revelation. If you ask the Transcendent One the same question, his response is that nothing can change the nature of a man. If we accept the answer that whatever you believe in strongly enough can change one's nature, the TTO's answer is also true. Which brings me to my second revelation; all of those answers are true, but they can only apply to one person; yourself. YOU are the only person with the power to change your own nature. The reasons can vary, but the ability and choice to do so lies in your hands alone, and that can actually be a very empowering realization.
Regret, sorrow. The burden of countless incarnations. The feeling that this is the place where it all will shall be concluded. This track has it all. What an incredible game this is.
I played this game during the hardest times in my life on a Gateway Destination 27 inch monitor. When i got to the Fortress of Regrets and soon saw all my friends dead on the floor and one in particular that i love, Fall-from-Grace, i silently cried. The experience can only be explained if you was there. Best Game Ever!
@n4mel3ss This game should have no sequel. TNO's story is finished, poking on it would be detrimental to the game. Now, a Planescape 2 with new characters and a whole different story but in the same settings, and more importantly, with Chris Avellone and his team on it? I would pay for it with diamonds!
When I first stepped into the Fortress of Regrets, my breath was almost taken away when this music started playing. (My PC is hooked up to a $5k home theatre system, so it was pretty stunning.) The bass/choral voices/horns/strings together made the Fortress of Regrets feel truly desolate. One of the best moments in the game, IMO. (The Deionarra sensory stone, where you find out just how twisted & evil you are/were, is another - that really blindsided me.) The whole Deionarra story line was just so well done. I've never felt such compassion/pity for a clump of pixels before.
Hah, I just remembered... Planescape can't claim to be the only game where you can actually talk your way out of the 'final boss'... ... but I'm pretty sure it's the only one where you can will yourself out of existence to spite him :D
When I hear this song I too start to feel like I could build a whole fortress of my regrets... Best theme eva!!!!! XD Best game eva too!!!! Well done dude :-)
@Nebuchadnezzaurus the idea of remaking Torment fills me with a mix of hope and absolute terror. Look at what they did to Duke Nukem, now think how badly would they bludgeon this game if it was made today...
If the story would be voice-acted and the conversations animated, the script would need reworking as well. The script was written under novel-like conditions, but for a more graphic remake it would have to be revised to be more movie-like to avoid feeling stiff and convoluted. What works in one type of medium can do extremely poorly in another.
I think Bioshock (at least the first one) was going in the right direction. I mean considering its a FSP, it had a pretty decent story and great athmosphere.
Technically yes, both use the Infinity Engine, but there was so much improvement over it after the Planescape game that it can hardly be called the same engine.
It won't be D&D or Planescape, it'll be a unique setting they make themselves. They don't want to be beholden to anyone and have to adhere to license restrictions. As much as I loved the setting in PS:T, I am okay with whatever happens as long as the writing is on par.
Haha, I see :) Just saying though, it's really amazing how ambitious and much of a step up Witcher 2 is in comparison. Game looks AMAZING graphics wise and it has very enjoyable combat, along with options and choices that matter greatly for the game. It's just really... really fucking good. You could always... you know. Cough. Download it. Cough cough. Just to test it out, and buy it if you like it? It's what I usually do- always remember to support the devs you like though!
@Acsabi44 So they know it's a dangerous place. But if TNO is determined to go to Baator just to find out about the Fortress, wouldn't it be a good idea for his comrades to say what they know first? That would spare a lot of trouble rather than delay the inevitable. At least Nordom answered one question I was about to ask the Pillar before I had to sacrifice something in exchange. What's your interpretation anyway?
You know Chris Avellone is "lending a hand" at Wasteland 2, and there is some rumour about him and kickstarter. I'm happy that he wouldnt like a sequel, but a game in the same setting would be pretty awesome
@n4mel3ss dude, did you just rush over the game? or did you actually read the dialouges? Morte and Dak'kon had their reasons to hide the portal's existence from TNO.
Has anyone ever gone into the fortress ALONE? I was thinking of this recently, but I don't have a copy anymore, with it being lost in a house somewhere. It'd be the best way to finish it, but I don't know if you can actually do it.
I mean that if they do a remake, they should keep the novel like dialogue, but the actual isometric graphics could be enhanced to look crisper. Kind of like running one of the current widescreen mods.
@METALGEARSOL1D While that may have been nice but It still would never been possible as the fact is Planescape was a D&D campaign setting and so used AD&D 2nd edition rule set Black isle could not use the Planescape setting and not use the D&D rule set.
@METALGEARSOL1D You do know that Planescape was up till Hasbro and Wizards of the coast took over D&D and killed all the orginal settings save for Forgotten Realms, a D&D campaign setting. so no matter what was going to have "recycled" D&D gameplay
Yeah i know. This two are cancers. I remember what they done to BG story, and what they done to the world itself. They made it shallow, and full of evil, treachery and madness.
Not really, Torment's qualities are widely recognized, you can see that at the Kickstarter for Tides of Numenara. It's just not as popular as Call of Duty or so but few good games are.
They also ramp the power level up more quickly. Take the C&C series for instance. The original C&C had fifteen or so levels for each side, but you only started getting the big, splashy kit around level 10. Whereas C&C: Red Alert 3 has twice the units, 50% more factions, but fewer levels per side... wtf?
@Nothingseen why would be the best way? do you know, that you can resurrect your companions in the fortress, and that way you free morte and dak'kon from their debt to you.
30$ for one of the best modern RPGs isn't much! Witcher 2 didn't get dumbed down, it actually got more complex and diverse. The combat isn't really QTE, but a proper action game. Witcher 2 is so much better than Witcher 1, and while I still love Witcher 1, it hasn't aged well let me tell you that much. Lots of filler in that game, while Witcher 2 is pretty much all good content. Choices mean a LOT more. At the end of an act, the choice you make sends you into one of two wholly different zones
You can get it working with a bunch of mods installed. Like the widescreen mod.. But the way this game is designed when you're running it at high resolution everything is so small that you can barely even play then.. It needs to be ported and emulated to run properly in a directx 11 windows 7 environement... The engine this game runs on (Baldur's Gate) has some serious problems with directx 10 and 11...
I, for one, would settle for a higher resolution port of this game to the Baldurs Gate 2 engine. That's about the only shortcoming of Planescape - it's engine was rather clunky and buggy. All the rest is golden and should not be touched - except maybe adding even more of those excellent voice actors in some key events, like the last meeting with the TO.
That and WotC seem to have given up on Planescape. Besides changing the entire cosmology to be incompatible (relatively speaking, you would have to rework a lot of shit to get 4th Edition to work with the main themes of Planescape), the only thing related to Sigil is a section in the Dungeon Master Manuel. Thanks for nothing WoTC, hope you go out of business!
@PRINCEJONEZY Then I'll add this - Boll + same scriptwriter from Legend of Chun-Li, who happens to be working on the script for Shadow of Colossus. Clearly, Hollywood hates us, gamers, and seeks to actively to punish us whenever they can...
@Gothos I agree. As good as this game is I think it needs to be left alone. Do we really want this great game becoming a sequelized piece of shit like almost every game of slight popularity becomes?
@Evilmonkey66699 They killed Forgotten Realms too just in much of horryfying way of creation of 4th edition... honestly would you want them to rape lore of PT as much as they did with FR? Than that abomation PT is better off resting in peace, sad truth...
“You are wrong. If there is anything I have learned in my travels across the Planes, it is
that many things may change the nature of a man. Whether regret, or love, or revenge or fear - whatever you believe can change the nature of a man, can. I've seen belief move cities, make men stave off death, and turn an evil hag's heart half-circle. This entire Fortress has been constructed from belief. Belief damned a woman, whose heart clung to the hope that another loved her when he did not. Once, it made a man seek immortality and achieve it. And it has made a posturing spirit think it is something more than a part of me.”
also....
Updated my freaking journal
"Not to get all misty-eyed, but, huh, It's been a pleasure chief."
Morte himself, sumed up my feelings when I finished the story.
+Arkhaym Morte is easily the best NPC companion ever.
Totally with you dude.
Trust the skull
Something I find mind blowing about this game's logo is the fact that I thought the top part of it, initially, was the black maw of some strange alien creature, but after playing through the game I saw the black symbol and I knew what it was. It was Deionarra.
Holy fuck, I never knew that.
Oh my god you're right. I did not notice that. Thank you.
"I will wait for you in death's halls my love."
The bit where TNO opened the bronze sphere and discovered his name was the first, last, and only time I've ever cried at a game.
Ascyltos That epic EXP boost is pretty nice too, but yeah, so many moments in the game are unforgettable. When you use Deionarra's Sensory Stone in the Clerks Ward and experience first hand the abuse TNO put her through in his past life is also pretty powerful stuff.
sert
Goddammit, I'm said to be a tough guy, but opening that bloody stone made leave the entire game for few days - because it was that stressful...
Nordom: "Attention, Morte: I have a question. Do you have a destiny? A purpose?"
Morte: "Is Annah still wearing clothes?"
Nordom: "Affirmatory."
Morte: "Then the answer is yes....
Actually laughing out loud at this absolute gem of a line
"The sphere wrinkles in your hands, the skin of the sphere peeling away into tears and turning into a rain of bronze that encircles you. Each droplet, each fragment that enters you, you feel a new memory stirring, a lost love, a forgotten pain, an ache of loss - and with it, comes the great pressure of regret, regret of careless actions, the regret of suffering, regret of war, regret of death, and you feel your mind begin buckling from the pressure - so MUCH, all at once, so much damage done to others... so much so an entire FORTRESS may be built from such pain."
That moment when you open the bronze sphere is just incredible. The writing is second to none. Possibly my favorite moment from the whole game though there are a few others that are as great.
Hearing this song made me remember how I answered the game's question, "What can change the nature of a man?"
I chose "Regret", and being in the Fortress of Regret seemed to validate the choice.
When Ravel ask the question, the answer "Regret" also gives a bit more xp.
No freaking way, I gotta replay to check!
+Brian U Did you check ? I know the good incarnation says it, i chose nothing
+Brian U
It's, ah... not regret. Or rather, it may be your personal answer, but regret itself is not what the game was going for. Regret is only a part of the answer.
Getting the right answer can be tricky. You see, this game is kind of in love with the Wisdom stat. In many (many) situations you'll need a high Wis score to get a shot at the whole story. Naturally, the endgame is no different. You need The Nameless one to have at least 24 Wis to get the right answer as a conversation option in the final confrontation. It's probably the most quoted bit from the game, actually.
It actually makes sense in-universe: TNO needs beyond-godly perspective in order to fully understand the implications of (and beyond) his own predicament. Something that even the Original Incarnation lacked. If he hadn't, he sure as shit wouldn't have made the deal with Ravel in the first place, and so much misery would have been averted.
+0Advocat0 Having played through the game again and given it some thought, my own personal interpretation is, like you said, regret isn't *the* answer. Ravel says as much, that it can be a different answer for different people and still be valid (since the ultimate answer, really, is belief). Bear in mind though, when you first open the way to the Fortress of Regrets TNO hasn't made his realization that belief is the key. It is his overpowering feeling of regret that opens the way to the final act, to an enormous monument to the pain he's caused.
What I think the game was going for is that regret is the canon choice, the one that most resonates with both the theme of the game and TNO's quest. The word comes up again and again from people all over the game, from Trias to a harlot to the Bronze Sphere.
Diplomacy path in a nutshell.
"You'll die and I will live forever."
"Nope, you'll die too."
"Dammit."
(Fusion)
"Hey guys, I'm going to hell. Be good, kay?"
15+ years has passed since I first played this and nothing has surpassed it, and likely never will.
Deus Ex comes as a very close second to me. The first Deus Ex of course.
Disco Elysium is a spiritual successor of games like fallout and planescape torment
This is the only game I've played that is far beyond just a game.
i, fucking agree with you
Silent Hill 2
Life is strange is the modern equivalent to Torment?
Teenager melodrama is equivalent to thousands of years of suffering?
No I don't think it is, and I won't thank you later
I think there's breathtaking stuff in few other games yet it's true that Ps T is pretty much flawless in its category. Most elaborate characters and lore I've ever seen in a game and immense immersive power. i just played it for the first time and had to make pauses sometimes because of the impact of certain scenes and revelations (still i completed almost every quest in 2 days).
@@foxmulder8955
Nice to see there are others that still appreciate this gem. I played it a couple of years ago for the first time and was blown away, but I think the vast majority of today's gamers wouldn't be able to look past the graphics or the copious text.
And at the end you discover that the true Nameless One's name is... Rob Zombie.
Just kidding.
But still, I thought I never cried as much as I had when I finally opened the Bronze Sphere, and felt the friendly hand of the First One in your shoulder, as a long and distant friend finally meeting you... That until all my friends were revived and the last farewells were said. The friendships, the love, the overall loyalty... This game changed my perception. And at last, but not least, I was happy to just tell Deionarra the truth. I wasn't in love with her, but love didn't changed her nature, the truth did. In my ending, I think I "saved" everyone, and Deionarra was no longer trapped in torment waiting for me, be it in the Death's Halls or at her heart. I only regret not being able to save Ignus, that poor soul. In the end, Ravel was right...
The GUILT changed Morte's nature.
The LOVE changed Annah's nature. (also Ravel's)
The BURDEN and FAITH changed Dak'kon's nature.
The POWER and DEATH changed Ignus' nature.
The CHOICE changed Fall-From-Grace's nature.
The QUESTIONING/REBELLION changed Nordom's nature.
The ORDER and VENGEANCE changed Vhailor's nature.
The REJECTION changed Tria's nature.
The ILLUSION of LOVE changed Deionarra's nature.
But, for me... TORMENT/SUFFERING changed TNO's/TTO's nature.
You can save Ignus if you play an Evil character. That way you'll face Vhailor instead of Ignus in the Fortress, and once you resurrect Ignus the restored Nameless One will grant Ignus' ultimate wish.
@@Mazryonh
W, what is Ignus's ultimate wish
@@jokhard8137 Ignus in his madness wanted all existence to burn. So the Nameless One sent him to the Elemental Plane of Fire, an infinity of endlessly burning and unquenchable flame. Ignus wouldn't get to set things aflame anymore, but he at least would be happy living there, where all of existence on that plane would burn forever.
Best video game story EVER.
We really need more smart games like this...
Id love some kind of remake or sequel to this.
this isn't the kind of game that can be plurped out on a production line with a few new maps and shinier physics next year.
What feels a man who complete this game first time? My first time was two days ago. I want to drown in forgetfulness in Limbo and cry forever in torment of my (as The Nameless One) doings. This is probably the most beautiful game I will ever see. It can definitely change the nature of a man...
same for me buddy
well said legolas :D
Lech Golas yeeah, as soon as I finished this I wanted to play more stuff like this, now playing baldur's gate 1, I also got 2, icewind dale and divinity series on the list, especially baldur's gate is so much fun to play
Ege Baysal I could recommend Neverwinter Nights 2 and especially expansion pack: Mask of the Betrayer. My first rpg games. Father of Torment was general director of the second one and you will feel the same spirit, but only in the dlc. Baldur's Gate is great, but it doesn't have the things that I loved in Torment. Unfortunately, there is no similar games to PS:T with the soul and the philosophical issues, or I don't know any other. And You?
Lech Golas I'll certainly will try Neverwinter aswell, and nope. dont know any other game like ps:t..Only hope is to wait and see the Tides of Numenera
Lightice1
You're exactly correct. This is one reason why Planescape: Torment comes out to be so much superior in terms of narrative than more recent, fully voice acted games. You can't animate certain things that can be described in a paragraph. To anybody who enjoys reading novels, Planescape: Torment is a masterpiece.
It is. On the second place is KotOR 2, and on the third The Witcher.
@@rohenthar8449 Honorary mention of Pillars of Eternity
"You shall come to a prison built of regrets and sorrow, where the shadows themselves have gone mad."
This is it.
"If there is anything I have learned in my travels across the Planes, it is that many things may change the nature of a man. Whether regret, or love, or revenge or fear - whatever you believe can change the nature of a man, can."
The above is one of my favourite gaming quotes of all time. Perfectly encapsulating the ideal answer to the over-arcing question and possibly the best way to end the encounter with the Transcendent One. Regardless of the answer, whatever one believes may change the nature of a man will be their answer. For me, I guess it is belief that may change the nature of a man.
This game can change the nature of a man.
Pondering that answer also led me to another revelation. If you ask the Transcendent One the same question, his response is that nothing can change the nature of a man. If we accept the answer that whatever you believe in strongly enough can change one's nature, the TTO's answer is also true. Which brings me to my second revelation; all of those answers are true, but they can only apply to one person; yourself. YOU are the only person with the power to change your own nature. The reasons can vary, but the ability and choice to do so lies in your hands alone, and that can actually be a very empowering realization.
@@Zaxares Indeed. The essence of empowerment is that it must come from within.
Have faith that you can change.
Every time I play and the Nameless One learns his true name, I cannot help but fucking cry.
This game proves that RPGs don't necessarily need to be about saving the world or any other overused cliches.
Listening to this again only makes me even more anxious to play Torment as well as Pillars of Eternity. The golden age of PC gaming is back!
Regret, sorrow. The burden of countless incarnations. The feeling that this is the place where it all will shall be concluded. This track has it all. What an incredible game this is.
I played this game during the hardest times in my life on a Gateway Destination 27 inch monitor. When i got to the Fortress of Regrets and soon saw all my friends dead on the floor and one in particular that i love, Fall-from-Grace, i silently cried. The experience can only be explained if you was there. Best Game Ever!
@n4mel3ss This game should have no sequel. TNO's story is finished, poking on it would be detrimental to the game.
Now, a Planescape 2 with new characters and a whole different story but in the same settings, and more importantly, with Chris Avellone and his team on it? I would pay for it with diamonds!
When I first stepped into the Fortress of Regrets, my breath was almost taken away when this music started playing. (My PC is hooked up to a $5k home theatre system, so it was pretty stunning.) The bass/choral voices/horns/strings together made the Fortress of Regrets feel truly desolate. One of the best moments in the game, IMO. (The Deionarra sensory stone, where you find out just how twisted & evil you are/were, is another - that really blindsided me.) The whole Deionarra story line was just so well done. I've never felt such compassion/pity for a clump of pixels before.
*SO YOU HAVE COME.*
*YOU ARE UNWELCOME HERE, **_BROKEN ONE._*
and mark morgan, the only guy who managed to score an entire game by remixing the theme of the main character!
RIP Tony Jay 🫡
Hah, I just remembered... Planescape can't claim to be the only game where you can actually talk your way out of the 'final boss'...
... but I'm pretty sure it's the only one where you can will yourself out of existence to spite him :D
A very epic and close to my heart piece of music
Amazing song for an amazing game
HP +1 HP +1 HP+1 HP+1
All hail Chris Avellone.
wow the sound quality is very good, I'm not sure whether it was that good in the game itself..
Simply awesome. That's my fav too.
When I hear this song I too start to feel like I could build a whole fortress of my regrets...
Best theme eva!!!!! XD Best game eva too!!!!
Well done dude :-)
@Nebuchadnezzaurus the idea of remaking Torment fills me with a mix of hope and absolute terror. Look at what they did to Duke Nukem, now think how badly would they bludgeon this game if it was made today...
If the story would be voice-acted and the conversations animated, the script would need reworking as well. The script was written under novel-like conditions, but for a more graphic remake it would have to be revised to be more movie-like to avoid feeling stiff and convoluted. What works in one type of medium can do extremely poorly in another.
still worth every cent.
I think Bioshock (at least the first one) was going in the right direction. I mean considering its a FSP, it had a pretty decent story and great athmosphere.
Technically yes, both use the Infinity Engine, but there was so much improvement over it after the Planescape game that it can hardly be called the same engine.
But they both ended up dying, but they will ALWAYS stay within our hearts.
mate u rock ! and the game
With Baldur's Gate saga, Planetscape: Torment best game ever in my life. No words to describe such adventures, Gods of the games.
This game is like a living book.
It won't be D&D or Planescape, it'll be a unique setting they make themselves. They don't want to be beholden to anyone and have to adhere to license restrictions. As much as I loved the setting in PS:T, I am okay with whatever happens as long as the writing is on par.
Haha, I see :) Just saying though, it's really amazing how ambitious and much of a step up Witcher 2 is in comparison. Game looks AMAZING graphics wise and it has very enjoyable combat, along with options and choices that matter greatly for the game. It's just really... really fucking good.
You could always... you know. Cough. Download it. Cough cough. Just to test it out, and buy it if you like it? It's what I usually do- always remember to support the devs you like though!
@Acsabi44 So they know it's a dangerous place. But if TNO is determined to go to Baator just to find out about the Fortress, wouldn't it be a good idea for his comrades to say what they know first? That would spare a lot of trouble rather than delay the inevitable. At least Nordom answered one question I was about to ask the Pillar before I had to sacrifice something in exchange.
What's your interpretation anyway?
You know Chris Avellone is "lending a hand" at Wasteland 2, and there is some rumour about him and kickstarter.
I'm happy that he wouldnt like a sequel, but a game in the same setting would be pretty awesome
@n4mel3ss dude, did you just rush over the game? or did you actually read the dialouges? Morte and Dak'kon had their reasons to hide the portal's existence from TNO.
Lets pray that they manage to fix that problem :)
Has anyone ever gone into the fortress ALONE? I was thinking of this recently, but I don't have a copy anymore, with it being lost in a house somewhere. It'd be the best way to finish it, but I don't know if you can actually do it.
@FeanorBR
Well, it's sorta saving the multiverse. Gods know what would happen if The Nameless One remained immortal forever.
the best
@IamAlwaysRight How can you make a remake or sequel to perfection?
I mean that if they do a remake, they should keep the novel like dialogue, but the actual isometric graphics could be enhanced to look crisper. Kind of like running one of the current widescreen mods.
Amen
@METALGEARSOL1D While that may have been nice but It still would never been possible as the fact is Planescape was a D&D campaign setting and so used AD&D 2nd edition rule set Black isle could not use the Planescape setting and not use the D&D rule set.
@METALGEARSOL1D You do know that Planescape was up till Hasbro and Wizards of the coast took over D&D and killed all the orginal settings save for Forgotten Realms, a D&D campaign setting. so no matter what was going to have "recycled" D&D gameplay
Yeah i know. This two are cancers. I remember what they done to BG story, and what they done to the world itself. They made it shallow, and full of evil, treachery and madness.
Not really, Torment's qualities are widely recognized, you can see that at the Kickstarter for Tides of Numenara. It's just not as popular as Call of Duty or so but few good games are.
They also ramp the power level up more quickly. Take the C&C series for instance. The original C&C had fifteen or so levels for each side, but you only started getting the big, splashy kit around level 10. Whereas C&C: Red Alert 3 has twice the units, 50% more factions, but fewer levels per side... wtf?
@Nothingseen why would be the best way? do you know, that you can resurrect your companions in the fortress, and that way you free morte and dak'kon from their debt to you.
Not true, Avellone was the lead designer for Planescape. Fargos name isn't even in the credits.
30$ for one of the best modern RPGs isn't much!
Witcher 2 didn't get dumbed down, it actually got more complex and diverse. The combat isn't really QTE, but a proper action game. Witcher 2 is so much better than Witcher 1, and while I still love Witcher 1, it hasn't aged well let me tell you that much. Lots of filler in that game, while Witcher 2 is pretty much all good content.
Choices mean a LOT more. At the end of an act, the choice you make sends you into one of two wholly different zones
You can get it working with a bunch of mods installed. Like the widescreen mod.. But the way this game is designed when you're running it at high resolution everything is so small that you can barely even play then.. It needs to be ported and emulated to run properly in a directx 11 windows 7 environement... The engine this game runs on (Baldur's Gate) has some serious problems with directx 10 and 11...
@Acsabi44 was it Kevin?
The only game that is loved by virtually everyone
Except those who can't read.
The comment under yours unfortunately proves otherwise
Great movie
I, for one, would settle for a higher resolution port of this game to the Baldurs Gate 2 engine. That's about the only shortcoming of Planescape - it's engine was rather clunky and buggy.
All the rest is golden and should not be touched - except maybe adding even more of those excellent voice actors in some key events, like the last meeting with the TO.
Where did Wasteland 2 come into this? And don't get me wrong, I didn't mean anything bad towards Fargo.
They should at least re-release this damn game so it works on modern hardware and operating systems properly..... That's all I want..
@CorRomeister its not fanasy game my friend its alegory of over lifes at least i, think tha way
That and WotC seem to have given up on Planescape. Besides changing the entire cosmology to be incompatible (relatively speaking, you would have to rework a lot of shit to get 4th Edition to work with the main themes of Planescape), the only thing related to Sigil is a section in the Dungeon Master Manuel.
Thanks for nothing WoTC, hope you go out of business!
Yeah, i agree. They destroyed torment, and BG too, and for what, for quick cash grabs.
@PRINCEJONEZY Then I'll add this - Boll + same scriptwriter from Legend of Chun-Li, who happens to be working on the script for Shadow of Colossus.
Clearly, Hollywood hates us, gamers, and seeks to actively to punish us whenever they can...
Haha :) well, yeah, I kind of messed up about that, but I seem to have got the point across :D
Hopefully it would be the same dialogue and story, but just spiffy graphics. Some better textures, maybe some more voice work.
I'm affraid WIS is a rare stat this days :(
@Gothos I agree. As good as this game is I think it needs to be left alone. Do we really want this great game becoming a sequelized piece of shit like almost every game of slight popularity becomes?
@Owneador1337 not story.
@CorRomeister Except with good writing and original ideas
I dunno man. I think once they remake it it''ll nver be the same game. It's like re-writing a Shakespearian novel using modern-day language.
Ooh okay, my mistake. I thought you were replying to barneythefatdinosaur. Don't ask, just forget I said anything.
Don't remake it. Make everyone play it, then send everyone who "didn't like it" to mars. Hitler eat your heart out.
Google "Project:Eternity" NOW
i have no idea why ppl prefer baldurs gate.... torment is far far better... no, the BEST ever!
That and the horrible AD&D ruleset.
I want to be a mage goddammit!!
BG2 uses the same engine.... ;)
@Evilmonkey66699 They killed Forgotten Realms too just in much of horryfying way of creation of 4th edition... honestly would you want them to rape lore of PT as much as they did with FR? Than that abomation PT is better off resting in peace, sad truth...
@Owneador1337 Wasteland will have good gameplay.
@Kubak45 this one..
Uwe Boll would direct it... ugh
Uwe Boll doesn't have the brain to play a smart game like this so I'm pretty sure he won't direct it.
Do Witcher 2 immediately instead man, a lot better game and while it's nice to have played through Witcher 1, it's not a must.
Its actually called Fortress of the forgotten.
Joshua Gallup Why and by whom?