I saw Slave Play.
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Bullshit!
Glad you find that entertaining !
This whole premise is disgusting...I get it, but NO THANK YOU
I would love if you did a video about Kara Walker.
Your perspective of not trying to take away enslaved peoples limited agency is interesting to me as and African. A Black person that is not a descendant of slavery because I've always felt like if I was in a relationship with a non-black people specifically a white person. I wouldn't let someone that has turned the oppression of black people into a kink near me, even if I don't have the same relationship to slavery that African Americans or even black west Indians have.
For Harriet i am sure you get turn on by ghetto gaggers
Sex can’t be consensual if one person owns the other one. That’s just not possible. Also slaves didn’t “love” their masters. That’s what we call a trauma bond not love. That’s why there’s no nuance because the nuance doesn’t make sense.
Edit: lol I can’t spell for shit so I fixed that
Faxx.
Chinta K thank you!!! And we the kin to the ancestors that were enslaved have vicious trauma. There is nothing sexy/ loving about being stolen, beaten, and rape... oh yeah black babies fed to Aligators
Nice comment, but did you watch the video? The play isn't about that
Not defending, but the play isn't about that
@@amandalopes3048 if you actually watched the video to the end, you'd understand why they're talking about slave-master love dynamics. so yeah, shut up
Yea this trauma bond is real. If y’all read Up From Slavery, the honorable Booker T Washington provides personal and third party examples of slaves “loving” their masters. Then again, Booker took this “love” of white folk and morphed it into this compromise. Imo, is an evolved form of trauma bond
If this play used holocaust play whith a German couple and the German man with say a Jewish women, would there be any doubt that it is unacceptable? I hate the way slavery isn't given as much respect. Issa no from me.
I was just thinking about this as i scrolled down the comment section lol.do you remeber the movie ft amdla steinberg and the nazi boy?
Sinead Murphy Young Pharaoh just gave the exact same example while critiquing the slave film Harriet. It’s just plain disrespectful.
@@hypintesti It was trash. For anyone to even give a solid okay to that in the first place makes me want to roll my eyes
@@hypintesti I remember it but wasn't the point that he wasn't one by choice and her experience as a black kid in germany is not one often told? It doesn't make Nazis seem good but it does put a face to youngins forced to go along to get along during a war like child soldiers all around the world.
rhagar mills yeah and black people hated that
This sounds terrible even after being explained😬
Exactly
Yes
. . .and it is not even close.
Right! That's not something I'm going to enjoy around white ppl esp as they laugh.
It Really does tho!! It sounds ridiculous!! 🤦🏽♀️
It sounds mediocre and unnecessarily offensive. NEXT
Issa Multifandomed ... I think you have to be a deep person to get it and tap into it
@@dmoney9285 No you don't, everything he is trying to convey is obvious and very surface level but the way he chooses to display the message is unnecessary and gross.
Because he's a man and as usual extra perverted!
we dont need thisss
SMH It's kinda like you are voluntarily overpaying to be indoctrinated with Stockholm syndrome.
The deep desire to be close to whiteness but crying about your blackness not being taken into consideration... Honestly sounds like too much. I will pass.
Aubrey Shelley the problem is whiteness is not as “real” as blackness. Whiteness has no substance just based of exploitation & exclusion
@@WordsofHarmony I'm not sure if I understand what you mean. but I'm not going to use my energy to beg my white partner, friends or whoever to accept me or make me comfortable. If this play is centred around them having to explain race to their white partner or their white partner not admit that race plays an important role in their life it's very violent, stupid, and tired. And I think it's gross just off of that. I don't even care about the sex stuff what really grosses me out is a fact that these characters have even partnered with white people who have never even taken the time to understand the importance of what it means to be black. It just leaves me with a lot of questions. Are these black characters supposed to be just now discovering their blackness and then realizing that whiteness is oppressive to them? I don't understand it. Is this the black characters first-time partnering with white people? I don't get it because I feel like if you were around whiteness this much you would just be okay with all the white stuff white people do. It just seems like a lot of work to try and teach your partner how to navigate with you especially if you already fully understand you are black. And maybe the play address this stuff and I missed it in the synopsis. But I can't see myself choosing to partner with such willfully ignorant people unless I was also going to be willfully ignorant.
@@Juiceharlot I have to assume that is what is going on here. Like the black folks are just coming into their blackness and realizing the extent of white supremacy. But now they already have these white partners that "don't see race." So I guess what they want out of the relationship has changed. So now they want their partners to get to a race conscious place too.
Like I doubt these people would have the mindset of "I'm gonna divorce this white person now that I understand how evil white supremacy is". And they love 🙄 their partners and don't want to leave them behind on their journey. So they do this because they are not so far into their journey that they realize they are twisting themselves in knots just so these white folks can acknowledge their humanity. Which is worse than doing it for some random ass white people since they are your whole spouse, and they needed to do all of this to give a shit.
@@birdiewolf3497 Okay,that makes more sense. And also makes it even more of narrative I have no interest in. It's like a "blackness" coming of age story. 😂😂 I have to rewatch the review because it was probably addressed and I missed it.
@@WordsofHarmony TEA
"'you're a virus!'"
"then why go out of your way to catch it?"
girl oh my GAWD
Where can consent exist for people with no right to consent and no real right to say no without possible violent retribution?
Mabasei Yeah, I am with you on that. How can we call it consent when yes is the only option?
Exactly! Thats why Im confused about her and beyonce saying we shouldn't ignore that there were Black Slaves that fell in love with their master and had "consentual" relationships. Can that truly even be a thing in such a time ? I just don't see how thats possible. I say this in the sense if there were black people in slavery who were supposedly in love with their master then I wouldn't I say it was love. I see it as a Stockholm syndrom type of thing. Where is this so called "love" and desire coming from. I dont think it should be viewed as love at all but a traumatizing confusing reaction to their enslavement eapecially in a society that treated them as animals and has white people as not only the master but as these great beings and the people to be idk I just don't get the "However other kinds of relationships existed. Some enslave black people fell in love with with white slave owners. It happened " again did it though ?? Should that be viewed as love? I dont doubt there were black slaves that wanted an interracial relationship but I wouldn't view it as Love
THIS!!! So fuckjng true!!
@@playablue lmao if you hate Harriet so much and still havent learned anything from her videos after watching her then just leave 😂 most of us are not with you. You're over here trying to pass her as a bad feminist who hates men because you're in a victim mentality instead of owning responsibility dide Bye LMAO
@soul sessions tv Bdhrh umm what the fuck ??? There was no choosing in slavery
Incorporating that sex scene feels like playing into trauma porn...
Hmm interesting.
Issa Multifandomed This is peak trauma porn.
Exactly!
It's actually nothing like porn because it is incredibly artfully constructed to make the audience wildly uncomfortable and not at all sexually aroused. It's hard to describe, but it uses the sexual content to put us all in a similarly vulnerable place.
Black BDSM...I guess
Issa no for me. So sick of Slavery media.
Vaisha Grace After my grandma made me watch some of her roots videos when I was a young girl, she had the entire box set. I asked myself even back then why would someone want to watch this? Since then I’ve never watched a slave narrative. I will watch intelligent discussions on them however. I just watched Young Pharaoh critique the movie Harriet. I’d highly recommend every black person watch and to especially have their black sons watch.
@@ShadaeMastersAstrology I also can not watch any slave show/tv anything. I prefer to read non-fiction books/articles about it. Went to some caves(where slaves were stored before shipping) in Shimoni (Kenya coastal region) and I was done
Slave media without slave reparations is just more abuse.
Angela MW
Yea I prefer documentaries. But if somebody were to make a “slave movie”. I much prefer the revolts than black folks being brutalized and not having retribution
@@blacknile2816 What's a ghetto gagger?
I don't see how black people could NOT be offended or disgusted by this.
The ones who love yt folks don’t have a problem with it.
Im kind of interested tho [...in being traumatized]. Honestly-as cringe as it sounds-I would check it out if it was running4 free
@you're arrested for first-degree clownery luv DOS?
You don't speak for all Black people, We are not all the same.
@@rachelw6237 point out to me where I stated or even implied that? Please do.
I am so sick of people trying to make Sally Hemmings life some great love story. She was 30 years younger than him, and 14 when he started messing with her. Did she learn from her grandmother and mother being with Massa would most likely lead to a more comfortable life? I'm sure. But did she have an option to say thanks but no thanks to her dead sister's husband? No. Did she probably care for and even love him? After all those years and kids, sure. But was the man who made charts about how much white blood a black person needed to have value in their humanity a supportive and caring partner? H*ll no. Their relationship is only dubbed "complicated" because it's easier than to call him out for his monstrous and predatory behavior.
I figured the play had some redeeming message. But I am sick of white folks being told they are terrible from slaves or civil rights era black folks being abused in story form. I am sick of those stories being applauded, while no one who is giving the awards and accolades has any interest in releasing a smidgeon of their privilege or power.
🗣PREACH
Amen, sis. You can't love somebody without choices. If I have no choice but to be with you then it isn't love
She was adopted by Jefferson and his wife when she was a newborn. There is nothing romantic about a pedophile buying and raising up his wife’s half sister into his mistress.
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Bar San basically
Just because something is packaged as “art” or fantasy doesn’t mean that the creator isn’t troubled or twisted and is simply working out their pathology at our expense.
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This is a very valid argument. ✊🏾
exactly,i don't see how she sees this as okay/
agreed
This! This is the review that covers my feelings most aptly. Thank you.
Thanks for the review 😉
So the play was about interracial relationships, stigmas, stereotypes and breaking it down
YOU DONT HAVE TO USE SLAVERY TO EXPLAIN THATTTT
R AM I totally agree with you!
I don’t think the play has anything to do with slavery. The title “Slave Play” is a play on words referring to sexual role play which is a thing that existed way before this play
@@chrisholmes3791 i think in the same way dear white people uses a college campus setting as a microcosm for its satire about race, slave play tries to do that with slave-master roleplay to explore relationship dynamics. But my god even that explanation doesnt excuse the amount of Nos this play is worth
Chris Holmes If it didn’t have anything to do with slavery why depict SLAVES! Sexual role play of a black slave and slave master. Duh ik sexual role play existed. EVERY couple on here was interracial and was trying to be “SEEN” but there white partner. The effects of slavery, anti blackness, oppression was presented to me, it’s the long term affects of slavery, but they did not have to depict These black wmn dressing up as slaves asking to be raped, I said wtf I said
@@chrisholmes3791 The use of literal slave imagery and dynamics suggest otherwise. Also the ending scene of a Black woman getting sexual gratification from a historical slave dynamic not a BDSM one, even if it does incorporate those elements. The underlining theme of Black ppl begging for validation from their white partner can also play into that dynamic.
This is such a sick play to me. Just romanticizing slavery
Thank you. That is the best way to describe this play! It romanticized slavery. In Germany, it is a crime to lie about the Holocaust, present revisionist history. But with American slavery, anything goes...
piecesofme wow I never knew that about Germany! It’s sick that in America the same doesn’t apply. They should not be able to put out false narratives about slavery or glorify it in any way.
Brenduuhh especially with the fact slavery isn’t taught correctly to begin with!!! Lmao it’s like not only white people but also black people have no knowledge of our own countries history besides slave movies. Asinine!
Brenduuhh she just prove Jason pope to be correct about black women wanting to have sex with racist white men
@@blacknile2816 Truth
This play sounds grotesque at its attempts to “play” with the chattel slavery narrative via therapeutic psycho drama. We would NEVER EVER see a holocaust play in any similar iteration...
Idk if thats a loss or a gain tho.
I mean a Jewish man rn is playing an imaginary Hitler for a Nazi child in the critically acclaimed, "feel-good" movie of the year, JoJo Rabbit...
Crown Jewel 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
NEVER. The closest it ever got was trying to romanticize the tale of Anne Franke by highlighting her relationship with a young boy she was trapped in the attic with. Other than that no one would dare offend the Jews.
Someone want to write this and submit it to some playwriting competitions?
Whew chile, I don't know about this one. I usually pride myself with being open minded, but this is so cringey. 😬😬😬
Thats literally what she just said lmao
@@playablue LMAO You keep leaving your dumb ass reply everywhere 😂 Mos of us doing agree with you. If You're here thinking you're going to get people against her and paint black Men and men in general as victims then sorry not sorry not going to happen 😬😂
@@donedone874 right! Plus it is called For Harriet . . .
@@donedone874 😆😄😃
edward smith ‘this gay nonsense’ 😂
This sounds bad...really really bad.
I appreciate your review and I have not seen the play but it’s still a no for me.
The way I see it, SLAVERY is constantly being used and abused, the way ppl treat slavery is sooo different compared to other tragedies that happened in the world
AMERICAN CHATTEL SLAVERY IS THE MOST DISRESPECTED HISTORICAL TRAGEDY IVE SEEN
I completely agree! We are told to get over it. Nobody says that to Jewish people about the Holocaust. Their oppression lasted a decade, while slavery evolved. Why do we allow our own people to disrespect us and others to control our narrative?
BeautyInDecay without any kind of reciprocity!! This country has done nothing to reconcile for the the most horrendous actions in human history yet and still want to monetize a struggle no one today has any clue about! This such bs
BeautyInDecay hey now, you don’t have to ignore antisemitism to talk about slavery, Holocaust denialism still exists and Jewish oppression has existed long before and after the holocaust.
@Danny Stevenson I don't like comparing tragedies, but frankly, you cannot equalize the horrors and lasting effects of The Trans-Atlantic slave trade to the holocaust. Slavery was worse. WAY worse. It just was. Some delusional people also deny that it happened. It was honestly like several holocausts, and then some. Way more people died too. That's just a fact people have to start acknowledging. It IS the greatest atrocity commited by humans ever. And if you disagree, to be blunt, you don't know how far down the rabbit hole goes.
Emma Heart I agree completely, slavery killed far more and lasted hundreds of years, I’m just saying both tragedies don’t get treated the right way. Like 2/3 of European Jews were killed over the course of a decade, and so many peoples still believe jews control the world. People who minimize and ignore slavery are disgusting, absolutely correct
For the love of whites...🤮
Why is Kennesha so hung up on being accepted by her white man? That literally is her fight. That is what I found disturbing when I read this play years ago. I don’t see enough theater with black people loving each other. This wasn’t for black people at all sis
Well look who wrote it!
When I heard Kim give the backstory of the playwright, I'm actually not surprised at all that he would produce such a thing as 'Slave Play'.
He would never make a play featuring black people loving each other -- because he isn't a black person that wants to be loved by another black person.
We need to have conversations about being controversial just for the sake of being controversial. Also, making people uncomfortable just for the sake of making people uncomfortable. After I listened to Kim explained this, a very intelligent well-rounded woman. Honestly, I still don’t see it any different. I feel like it falls into the categories I mentioned above. Lastly, I’m not against the narrative that some of our ancestors had or thought they had consensual sex with their masters, masters daughters, wives, or slave overseers etc. I know there are gray areas. It just has to be done in a very specific way and in a very specific context.
@@blacknile2816 Im guessing thats a porn term used to fetishize sex between BWMW? If so obviously that will be the main ppl watching, its what it's tailored towards. But dont try to act like the majority of the Black community is watching porn that fetishizes them cause thats lie lmao
Black Nile I assure you black men are one on the largest consumers of fetishized bbc porn but go off
Black Nile do you have some kind of proof to back this up or are you just talking out your ass? There are all kinds of porn out there. Also, black men have their own racialize porn where they feed into the big black buck stereotype that also stems from slavery.
Torchy Brown that’s why I put it thought they had consensual relationships. Whether you like it or not some of our ancestors probably thought they had consensual sex and relationships with white people at that time. Key word “thought”. Of course this was a very rare occurrence. Beyoncé’s ancestor Married her slave owner. Now, I’m not sure of all the details surrounding that, and how her black ancestor must’ve felt, and whether she thought she consented or not. But, my point is I’m sure some of them saw that as a way out. It’s easy to say, “you can’t consent as a slave” and I agree but there are a few nuances. Nothing is that cut and dry.
Major Key yeah, maybe mutual is a better word.
Thank you for your in depth analysis, Kim. I never showed the slightest interest in this play and now, after hearing your explanation of the play, there’s no way in hell that I would see this. As a Black woman, I’m not comfortable with this mess. It just rubs me the wrong way.
I agree!
I completely agree
Hello? These black characters literally have to dress up as slaves for their white partners to see them? WHY? Just get a divorce. If that is what you have to do, your partner is extremely racist and there really isn't any hope for them. Like they are truly devoid of having sympathy for black people.
Exactly, like slave play is still fetishization of black people. It is racist and disgusting.
UmiMiami Maybe you feel comfortable paying good money for this mess, but others don’t. We all have a choice of what we choose to invest our money, time, energy etc., into and for me, this play isn’t it.
Ain’t enough money in the world
The subtext of desiring whiteness, especially in the context of gay black men, reminds me of the 1989 documentary Tongues Untied by Marlon Riggs
Ooooo what is it about?
Going to look this up. Thank you
@Misha, thank you for this! I saw Tongues Untied for the first time back in '89 as a college sophomore, and I need to go back again and revisit it to refresh my memory.
At the center of Marlon's message was that he didn't find acceptance or peace in queer white faces because of the dynamic of racism that literally infects everything. This whole production sounds like a thoroughly misguided attempt to deconstruct the systems of racism that infect everything including sex in an interracial context.
This sounds like the high art edge lording one would attribute to Family Guy except Broadway validated. This whole thing sounds really fucking insidious.
YES! I was just thinking this!
Nah. Ain’t no love in enslavement. This is a fetish backed up with the threat of death to u and your family. Willing participants, have either been indoctrinated or suffer from Stockholm. Love cannot exists in the absence of freedom, the freedom to be oneself , explore ones history or self, or the freedom to walk away. I so appreciate your willingness to do this especially for those of us that were not going to. U def help open lines of communication where there would normally be a void
TheDjFreshmaker Love cannot exist without freedom. Made this argument when people love to say enslaved people loved their masters. I keep saying coping mechanisms are not real love.
@@asew4897 for slave play though, like most bdsm consent has to be at the forefront of a "scene". But for me personally I wonder what mindset somone has to be in it. It might be the taboo that exites people, but the idea that I keep coming back to it a racial trauma that people wanna rip the bandaid off of to deal with interpersonally. But, in this way? Idk sounds really complicated to excecute in a healthy no non- racially exploitative way
kof cuf I am more so referring the relationships between enslaved ancestors and slave owners in the past. I do not believe for one second genuine love existed. You have at best a coping mechanism on both sides. As for today, I am not as judgemental on the sexual goings on especially all sex and erotica seems to be peppered in some form of oppression. Sex and love have become power plays and surely we are groomed like it that way. Because of this I do question our ability now to genuinely love each other. I don’t like the sound of this play because it seems more like another attempt to paint slavery as not that bad or it leaves too much room for that interpretation. Can this be done in a healthy non-racial way I believe so without knowing the way per se. I definitely believe it can be done without revising history. I believe there is great sex and great love that isn’t dipped in racism, misogyny, objectification and power but I do think society at large isn’t interested due addiction to power and privilege.
Uit C Sex and love have always been power plays. In Ancient Rome they didn’t even judge sexuality by ‘straight’ or ‘gay’ but by ‘dominant’ and ‘passive’, and as long as you were ‘dominant’ you were free from prejudice. And we are not groomed to be that way. I found the concept of being dominated enjoyable long before I knew anything about sexuality. As a kid I’d pretend to be a ‘robot maid’ and ask my friends to tell me to do stuff and just do whatever they said. It’s relaxing and yes, therapeutic, to be free from decisions and consequences.
Aaris Howton The world existed long before Rome and will continue after. One ancient empire seated in a very problematic continent and its social is far from a definitive model of all sexual Congress over human history. Associating the desire to be kindness and giving with submission and lust for domination really just epitomizes about how we are groomed to approach sex and love as power plays. Being free of decisions is nice but again trying to posit chattel slavery, as some care free existence or that it can lead to one is cringe at best dangerous idéations at worse.
I find it frustrating that people in interracial relationships continue to approach the topic this way. Begging white folks to love them. I find it frustrating that people that aren't in interracial relationships think this is necessary dynamic. Being in an interracial has challenges but it's not as nearly as complicated as people make it out to be. White folks that have a respect for black existence will put themselves in a position where they are learning on their own. You don't have to do race play OR write a whole play to understand that.
COME ON SOMEBODY!
Exactly. There is nothing wrong with a white person and a person of color genuinely loving each other but it is always a MASSIVE red flag if a person of color only wants to date white people.
I wish it was still 13 minutes ago when I didn't know this play existed
You chose this as did all of us that are on here listening.
No. No. No. Not even for free. No more slavery related entertainment.
Damn girl I was really about to go to bed on time today. Why you gotta do me like this.😭
Anglea Brown same
Ugh same 😂
Same!
Harris got problems.
He has those desires and used Black American history as a vehicle to communicate that but doesn't think he has to answer to Black people....got it.
Exactly
Covering his sick kinks in dramatic form AS IF...
Just bc professionals are being paid doesn't mean it's worth a damn.
@@macummings7818 HELLO!✊
Issa NO for me still
Based on your review Kim, honestly I still find it distasteful. Yes we all know interracial relationships existed, even back then. I feel like there are more effective ways of portraying interracial lust, racial dynamics, race relations than in the manner that this person has done. The shock value of his master-slave scenarios is just for controversy and more publicity for the play. (Or perhaps his white man complex gives him a boner 😂). Either way, it doesn't add anything of real value to me. Issa no for me, dawg.
I beg to differ. So-called interracial relationships were forced back then. It was just the luck of the draw if you happened to actually start digging your owner or master. Stockholm syndrome???
@@stellabellafontay9366 Hello? Like there really wasn't a choice in the matter. I can believe that some people might develop "feelings" down the line. In a similar scenario of how an abuser lures in their victims. But there was no choice in engaging in such relationships. Black people did not really have to ability to say no to a white person's demand.
@HlddenTalent "Our ancestors were raped." That is stating the obvious. We all know that but there are always exceptions. It may be uncomfortable to think about but you also have to be realistic. There were free black people as well. Black people in other parts of the world. I'm thinking of all possible circumstances. Yes, interracial relationships existed, even in those times.
@@stellabellafontay9366
Exactly!
It didn't even just stop with slavery either.
When black women had paying jobs where white men were the foreman or owners it happened in those places too.
My neighbor's elderly mother just recently told me that her aunt was the product of rape between her grandmother and that grandmother's boss' son who was also a boss on whatever job she had.
Does that sound like a "relationship" to anybody?
@@littlegothgirl8869 This play is in the context of American Chattel Slavery, not the whole world also this play is in the context of no Black person being free. Slaves had no choice. Even talking about interracial relationships in the context of this time period is ridiculous, as they nearly didn't even exist.
I never knew that people fetish slavery until they actually experience it. Don't downplay what our ancestors been through.
The lack of reverence American society has for the experience of enslaved Black American experience is disgusting. Even after you explaining it down, it's sick
This whole thing sounds like a big old yikes.
💯💯💯💯Face palm, like why, who on earth thought, yes great job go for it... who was in his camp???? BIG YIKES!!👀👀👀👀
Yeah, I'm a professional actress in Chicago and I don't like any of what you said in that review it was all cringeworthy, it definitely didn't make me want to see it. ( I wasn't going to anyway) I also don't plan on auditioning for this when it hits our area or if my agent tells me about it. They can keep this one. Thanks for the review.
Just shows you have integrity and will not sell out. Big thank you to you!!! Shame on all the black actresses who participated in this play. Actors too. This is just disgusting.
I commend your integrity. I cant judge others though. The late, great, tragic comedian Lenny Bruce once said: ".....eventually, everyone comes to the realization that they have to grow up and Sell Out!!" Thats a terrible bitter joke, but its real for some of us.
@@juniorjames7076 Yeah sometimes you have to pay these bills and put food on the table.
@@juniorjames7076 I can't say that I've been there in my career yet but I have told my agent roles i just won't take so don't submit me for them. I want my work to live on past me and be quality. I definitely can't decide for anyone's else's career and I get it when you have your big break on Broadway you want to take it and if the roles doesn't go against what you believe then go for it. I just know that every play I get requested to audition for I read it first and decide if that's what I want my name attached to. This one I just don't see myself doing at all. I hope this gets those black actors more roles but in our industry we are playing the lottery. You can win an oscar and never get another role again.
@@juniorjames7076 Nah. They need to be held accountable. As an actor or in any field, you have to have lines that you are not willing to cross and the Black folks in this play have shown us that there is NO line they won't cross. If it comes between degrading yourself and your community on this level or going hungry, you go hungry. Even worse when it comes to the arts because this is a show that may very well be used to discuss racism in college classrooms one day for years to come.
Considering the extreme unequal balance of power between a slave and slave-owner, can the relationship ever truly be consensual?
Nope. Heck, this is noy even on the same level but there is a reason why, at least in the US, a boss and their employee can't engage in a relationship. So if a less problematic display of power dynamics says no in regards to consent, shouldn't that mean the same with slavery where no wasn't even an option?
I live in New York City and every time I pass a poster for this play, I wish to rip it down! I even thought about ordering clown stickers to cover the face of the Black actress so proudly displayed in the ads. AmeriKKKa is getting curiouser and curiouser. I don't like it. 😑
Please do it. I’m in the area and can help you. PM me...
Yeah, I wanted to mention that!?! Wtf?!? What is that cantaloupe for? I dont get it. Glad I'm not the only one.
piecesofme
You’re gonna be fined lol
@@thatthingyouseeatthecorner5249 Freedom ain't free.
LMAO YES ORDER THE CLOWN STICKERS
I don't see how you sat in a room with white ppl laughing at what you described.
I was trying to ponder that. My female family members were disgusted by it. I sort of think she's attracted to white men. Her Harriet reviews and this Slave Play review is telling of her character.
Kyle Frazier - Bingo. She has an affinity for yt boys.
Truth
Come Again?
Me either
Exactly😕
I can't stop looking at your hair Kim, haven't had a chance to say it before but you look great!
Kenisha got problems.
first name last name it’s so bizarre it’s not even reflective of the average black woman’s mindset. So far from it. It’s like they want to create a narrative that black women want this. When in reality it’s the opposite. It’s psy-ops.
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Manda Manda Everything doesn’t need to be reflective of the ‘average’ black woman. This is reflective of SOME black women- just look at the prevalence of ‘ghetto gaggers’ for proof of that- and if it is reflective of some, their perspective deserves to be shown in media too.
@@aarishowton8037 plenty of women like rough sex regardless of their race
@@candacewalker9181 thats true but this is literally fucking wrong
“That show definitely appeals to the Loving v Virginia demographic”
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I'm not familiar with this term - I know it stands for the case that 'finally' made interracial marriage legal but what did Kim mean in this context? Thanks
And Rihanna supported this too and I was very disappointed in her
She wasn’t the only black celebrity to support it
Wow
So its as bad as we thought. $200 is alot to waste to find that out. I’m beyond good on this trash.
Love the braids and color Kim! Looks like my go to 33😝 wish I didn’t get the itchies 😔 w/extensions
Have you tried dipping the synthetic hair before install? Fill up your sink half way, with room temperature to warm water add in 1/4 cup of vinegar, put the hair in move the hair to make sure it's submerged in the water, sit 20 minutes, rinse with cool running water (2), dry depending on the hair I would do this at least two days in advance.
227 thanks for the tip! I’ll try that although I’m a bit shell shocked from the past installation
This reminded me of 'Xica da Silva'. She was a Brazilian slave who became rich and powerful after marring the slave master.
I've been meaning to find the movie to watch
They remake the original movie into a TV series using a black girl with 'more acceptable' beauty and a huge controversy ensued. Think both versions are on RUclips. The story itself, I'm not sure if it's myth or real (I have visited 'her' huge home in the State of Minas Gerais tho).
playablue
You’re BIG mad.
Sorry but this play sounds so cringey at the beginning... 😭😭😭😖😖😂💕But I adore your reviews always!
I’m getting so tired of seeing shit with high shock values just to say something. Like this is a prime example of something just being out there for the sake of it and it’s always at the expense of specific groups.
"You're a virus!" "Well, okay, but why are you trying to catch it?"
Damn. That hit hard.
This play sounds like a horrid fever dream
Sounds very *yawn.. Thanks for the breakdown girl. I always appreciate your perspective.
You touched on something about the running themes in Harris' works that's interesting. I've been of the mindset that Black folks in America have PTSD and we have this love/hate, stockholm/abused child syndrome towards white people. We (and I'm generalizing) want them to see us, love us, acknowledge us, celebrate us, all while justifyingly being bitter and resentful toward them. It's maddening. Harris seems to do this on a micro level in his sexual relationships but it could be said that a lot of us do it in other ways.
Super interesting comment
I'm glad you watched it cause I could NEVER, but I was interested to know exactly wtf it was about.
Update: okay I heard your whole explanation. still sounds HORRIBLE.
I thought the movie “the hate u give” also did the “dumbing down our grievances for white audiences thing” at certain points (not all the way throughout) that the book didn’t do, and that sort of bothered me. I feel at this point that we shouldn’t have to spoon feed it to them, we should produce our art subtly enough for us, and in ways that are clear enough for us to understand, without having to freeze frame and give and elementary school lessons like black-ish and grown-ish. White people should have to work to understand it instead of having yet another thing handed to them, and the ones who want to and are open to it will.
How did the movie dumb down our grievances, can you explain ?
So exceptionally executed. Your cultural analysis, historical synthesizing and thoughtfully constructed commentary is rare!
I am so sorry, but when you spelled out D-I-L-D-O the tune of B-I-N-G-O popped into my head 😔😅
Same, lol
Girl, thank you for taking one for the team. This shit sounded wild AF.
I can't believe Rihanna thought supporting this thing was a good idea
She might not own the song
@@TashiSoCali she did support it on twitter.
Rihanna isn’t a true ally to black women
@Wolfpack8706 because rihanna seems to be for black people and it's weird that she don't know that this is wrong
shes an immigrant. she dont care about FBA's
I watched many interviews of him talking about this play and it just made me push me away further from wanting to watch it and confirmed all the intial Yikes thoughts I had about this 😬
Yeah...this is a no for me. I felt my body cringe. I have to wonder if Broadway would put on show called Holocaust Play?
Kay F According to someone in the comments it already exists...It’s called,”Nazi” something.
Race play is a a kink so I’m not surprised
Edit: I don’t think something being consensual means it’s morally right or doesn’t have negative effects on the people involved
It was about 15 minutes into this review that I realized oh this is like race play. Not my kink but I realize it is a thing.
Only way I could go to see this show is if I was physically forced to and than I'd have to carry sage, Palo Santo and Florida water.
Oh this sounds like a mess
Side note . I love the hair . You look so beautiful . Love the lip gloss color .
Congrats on your 100,000 much earned!
I really dont understand this part at all 20:05 - 21:10. I strongly disagree with you on this. Perhaps im not interpreting it right so correct me if im not. Also would love to hear other peoples thoughts on this. But the reason why People dont wanna hear it is the implication you and others have made when bringing up this topic that there were people who had consensual relationships with a white slave master and what they felt and their wanting to be in a relationship with them was "LOVE". I dont see how a black person that was a slave be in a relationship with a white master and call it love or view it as a relationships. Even if black ancetors wrote and said "yeah I loved a white master and wanted a relationship with them" I don't see how we can view that desire as a true essences of what love and a consensual relationship is. During that time and under those circumstances I don't see how a consesual and Loving relationship is possible. I view it in same sense as Stockholm Syndrom and Underage people dating older people. You just dont have the ability under those circumstances to give consent and have the Choice to truly understand the difference between Love and simply wanting to be accepted as a human being and wanting the abuse to stop and as a way of coping with it. There is no way for a Love and consent to exist back then with a slave and a master. So I just find it odd and disgusting to imply that there were such genuine feelings and call it Love and a relationship when that just can't be the case.
Thank you for mentioning Kara Walker's antebellum silhouette series. She even did another work recently at the old Sugar Dominion Factory in Brooklyn featuring a slave women's head and a sphynx body made out of sugar. As you mentioned her work is now revered compared to when it was shown back in the early 2000s.
its disgusting, that's all I'm saying.
I really enjoyed this commentary. It helped me be able to articulate what I was feeling too. I recently purchased the play online and read it. I love learning of AA playwrights and reading and reviewing their work. At this point, I strongly believe what makes this play so controversial is what makes it so brilliant. As an actor, I honestly would've loved to explore the character of Kaneisha, not because I have a personal connection with the character or identify with her truth, but because this is the beauty of art to me! As uncomfortable as her truth is, it is a fact in our history. That can't be disputed. Imagine being able to explore this on stage, as an artist.
Thank you for your wisdom and knowledge on Slave Play! Whew!✊🏾🤎
Nope, Nope, Nope, Nope. It's a no from me.
Totally off-topic but you look beautiful in this video. The color of your braids really suits you. I'm thinking of trying that next, I always get the same color when I get my hair braided
Still interested in seeing it, only because I feel that I shouldn’t form an opinion on media until I actually consume it. But I love this breakdown video, and actually having a thoughtful analysis on the themes, rather than the reviews which are often “it good!” Or “it bad.” Thank you for this, love your videos!
You are very nice and soft and kind in your explaination of this play
You seem very . . careful and deliberate in your way to kind of soft shoe this play etc
that said
absolutely NOTHING about this seems ok or good.
Glad i watches your review first. i enjoyed your perspective!!
My really good friend from college was on the costume design team
This was not what I expected to see when I woke up this morning. 🤣 But I’m here for it.
Thank you so very much. I new almost nothing about this play. I learned so much. I value your observations and opinions.
Sis... even in the explanation... I can't. *Lexi voice* LMAO!
Thank you, I loved your insightful thoughts on Jeremy O Harris play.
This has not been up long enough for there to be two dislikes. I wonder: Is it from people who automatically want to hate the play? Or is it from fragile white people who are pissed that Black voices are centered? The world may never know.
Secondarily. Thanks for this. I would've assumed this was trash and I'm glad to hear a Black woman's perspective after actually having seen the play (which I didn't even know existed until now).
girl. this is only the beginning. this video is going to get so much hate.
Based on the comments, seems like the former, tbh. People are BIG mad.
My co-worker who is into BDSM went to see this and loved it. She said it really informed her and her partners (who is also white) idea into what BDSM should evolve into and was one of the healthiest representations of BDSM in media she had seen.
That being said she also told me to not watch it cos I will never date white men after watching it.
The Pun of Harts is your coworker black or white?
@@mandamandamanda6722 White, thankfully. So I have never had to worry about slave/plantation situations
The Pun of Harts Ok, whew...did she elaborate on why you wouldn’t want to date white men after seeing the play? What about the white woman in the play? Was she horrible too?
@@mandamandamanda6722 She said the main male Character reminded of her those white boys who always know what's best for black folks.
As a BDSM practitioner (and in an IR relationship) I whole heartedly agree! I’m the white person in my relationship and also the submissive, so it’s not a PERFECT 1 to 1, but it’s amazing to see BDSM being portrayed so rawly, especially between interracial couples, which up until now has basically only been a thing in porn 😬
I’ve actually received a similar review of this play from another WELL RESPECTED reviewer. Thank you for your very fair review of what you’ve seen. I want to see it. You have prepared me (hopefully) for what I would be seeing. You did a GREAT job!
Kalukango made her broadway debut in Godspell as an understudy. She was in Holler if You Hear Me and the Color Purple Revival on broadway.
My bad. She's amazing!
Kim I saw this show and GIRL. IT. WAS. A. MESS. for literally all the reasons you've explained. I love you.
Thank you for this video. I've been debating watching the documentary on the streaming app. I'm still debating.
Issa no for me dawg.
I saw it in London eithout having read the synopsis and i was like what the hell is this!? As the play progressed i was like oh snap! I loved it
The Beyonce bit was interesting to because my Grandma tells a similar story of of my greatgrandma falling for her slave owner. My grandma gushes over it and I find it disturbing.
You make me feel comfortable to go see this play now. The exact opposite of what I assumed it would be about
I think Rihanna supported the play
She did she texted him and sent a tweet.
Yes, she most certainly did
They said her music was played in it
The caption...rolling on tbe WHOLE FLO😪😪😪😪😪😪
"That show definitely appealed more to the Loving v. Virginia demographic" Lmao
In my alter ego voice. Excuse my language Queens but, “ What type of fuck shit is this!”
I know the tension in the theater was thick ass hell. I love Broadway and appreciate the arts but this is a huge no for me!
not if the majority of the audience were white males
Thank you for a nuanced discussion, as always Kim, excellent work.
First viewer ; from Zimbabwe. 👋
This review really helped. Thank you for your well thought out responses and opinions. Planning my first NYC trip, and this solidified I don’t need to make time for it this time. 😂. But it is an interesting plot/concept to say the least.
“You’re a virus”🤣
Loved this play. Thought provoking.