lol no better way to make a 6 pound AR 3 times the weight but have all the capability! You definitely need one of the optics on a 8 inch riser for NV and that set up would be perfect!
This video series is EXACTLY what I needed, I'm about to build an AR for the first time and I want to know what the pro's and con's of each kind of optic are. Thank you guys for doing this, and its prefect timing for me.
Like the video. My two cents. If this is a CQB test the LPVO should be at 1x. I really like when anyone talks about the potential of both eyes open shooting. It is by far the best thing I ever decided to train and learn.
Dot and Magnifier for me. I love the ability to drop excess weight if I want or use the latter for some target identification without actually pointing the gun that way. Also! My eyes suck. Magnifiers work way better for me than the diopters on LPVOs and prisms for some reason.
When I was originally sighting mine in I wasn't smacking it and my POI kept moving around. There was an older Marine at the range he came over and he's like "You gotta slap it after you adjust it" Did as he said and it worked.
I'm fortunate enough to have all three optics that you featured here. I find that life is usually always easier with the good ole ACOG. Just my opinion.
When running CQB room clearing competitions with an LPVO vs an Eotech, the time gap is dramatically different while transitioning between multiple targets. Not even close. LPVO is much slower to use.
this is definitely true. I'm a huge LPVO proponent. I think it's actually a very fair consideration to do a LPVO with a cant/top mounted red dot to really cover this short coming. Even though the answer is truly "it depends", I choose to run just an LPVO as it is capable in most situations that the average 16" rifle will be put through.
@@grazianism Not all CQB is inside a building and not all indoor firefights are CQB. Still, you're definitely right about the grenades & point shooting.
This is why I bought a 1-8 power LPVO with ACSS reticle for my 6.5 Grendel Hunting rifle but I bought an EOTech EXPS2 w/ G33 3x magnifier for my recreational Fun gun or my just in case gun..
@@grazianismWe civilians (including ex-military) will never be doing anything with frags. You MIGHT manage some flash bangs of some type but frags? I would expect that if your LPVO has a nicely illuminated reticle, shooting with both eyes open would be capable of being as fast as with an EOTech. You just want the red (or green) LPVO reticle on your target and go.
I swear they are reading my mind. I was just thinking about this last week and this morning on how I want a video like this, to help choose for my new builds.
To me for a do all SHTF set up. I would have to say red dot/magnifier would be the way to go. If you move to a cqb situation you can pop the magnifier off out the way. And if you need to engage out to distance you have that option as well. Acog is good to. But to me LPVO is for a setup your are going to be running more long distance than anything
I agree with other commenters too that the REAL difference is going to be when in close and moving from one target to another in totally different directions and at unpredictable angles. That’s where an EOtech is really gonna shine.
What works for you is the answer! Whatever you’re going to be proficient with is going to be best and you must try to find out. I do Love EOTech my personal opinion with or without magnifying.. Great video loved the comparisons!
The reason I went with the ACOG ECOS because you get the ACOG for medium to far, the RMR for close up, and the back up rain sights in case everything else fails. These are all solid choices!
For duty/defense, I really like the EoTech despite an astigmatism when I don’t have my contacts in or wearing glasses. With three on three go-to ARs, two 11.5 and a 14.5 p/w, it only made sense to get a 5x magnifier. It’s amazing on the 14.5 slinging 77s out to 384 yds., the furthest I have to shoot, lol. I like how I don’t have to keep it on the rifle to save weight or to dismount for an impromptu “spotting scope.”
I have been down this road...'Gave my VCOG away to a friend who was LE/Mil. He loves it, but complains (every once in a while) about the weight. I had the thing mounted on a JP 300 AAC and it totally canted the weight of the weapon. I run an ACOG with a Trijicon red dot on my AK (side mount). It works very well. My favorite setup for an AR is a Swarovski Z8i (HUGE eyebox) mounted on a Geissle Super Precision 30mm scope mount. This has a Reptilia front top (forward) ring which allows me to run a Trijicon RCR. It is the best setup I have found.
To answer the main question I enjoyed this video and would love to see more, but then again I always do lol. I’ve run dots and prism optics for a hot minute. Either 3x or 5x. Just got my first lpvo, and sig tango msr 1-6. I really like it but haven’t got to shoot it yet. I see myself using that on a deer rifle but not an ar for a few reasons. It’s a little too big for me personally and fast eye relief isnt the best. So the dot or prism works for that. While hunting with a bolt gun I don’t need fast eye relief so I can swing it. Idl just my personal thoughts. I’ve never tried the magnified dot, seems silly heavy and bulky though
I'm a fan of a fixed power optic like the ACOG and having an offset red dot for CQC. I feel like it makes the most sense, having an optic that's so well proven and having no battery required being the main optic. While an offset little RMR style sight for those close quarters with only one battery type to worry about. Although, there is the See All open sight that like the ACOG is fiber optic and tritium powered, only needs a little more training to get used to than a regular dot.
There has been many videos on this topic. I like this series because you're getting into different situation where all 3 can shine. If you're in an urban area, Eotech and magnifier all the way. The acog can be good for a DMR in an urban area, but would need a piggy back red dot. Running in the woods with some open areas, acog with a red dot would probably be best, especially if it's a end of days situation, where batteries are hard to find. Would be limited to the piggyback dot under NV though, so make sure to get a good one. An LPVO would be good at open area, with chances of short shots as well (ie hog hunting). You can also utilize a clip-on NV for capabilities at night. Just make sure you also get a 45 offset or piggyback dot. This can be used for back up, as well as quick target acquisition at decent ranges, when magnification is dialed up.
LPVO all the way in this particular rifle setup. The others have their place, but I prefer LPVO. And if you get pirates eye from a 5.56, you are doing it wrong.
I was thinking of adding the ACOG 4x32/RMR combo to my FN M16 Military Collector. But lately I’ve been leaning towards that same VCOG you have in this video. Wanted to add that the zoom adjustment is literally everything!
@guitarthrasher2176 I got the acog 3.5x35 led and I shoot in 25 meters as fast as with an red dot. Maybe like you said in 10-20 meters a red dot would have a slightly advantage but not enough for me to put an extra red dot on my rifle.
Someone did a video and they found that they were a hair faster, and just as accurate with just the ACOG and without the RMR. Not sure how well versed he was with the top dot or canted. He did both. It was one of the Guntubers, just not sure which
Just bought my DDM4A1 and was wondering what type of optic to go with. Might just go with the Holographic and magnifier. What are other good mods for this rifle?
This was fantastic. It would be fun to send a newbie out with these and see what works best for someone with far less experience. Like me. Just a thought.
For military purposes, this is why I am a big supporter of the ELCAN. Read more below: When using an LPVO, most guys had it either on full zoom or 1x. Rarely in between. The ACOG is simple to use and super tough because it's a prism optic. Great aspects for standard Infantry but doesn't have variability for close quarters. The EOTECH and Magnifier combo is the best option of the three in the video but they are two separate pieces of equipment to lose, break, or carry. The ELCAN solves most of these issues by providing two magnification levels, tough optic, all in one package.
Really liked the video. I just purchased my first ar and am currently having the same debate as to which optic to go with. I really appreciate the video and the time you put into this. Much appreciated
I would probably agree. I was running a 1-6 FFP LPVO on my 16" and found that at 1x the reticle was that of a red dot but the odds of engaging at 1x was null and found with LPVOs you're either all or none meaning all the way pushed in at max mag or at 1. Why? If you are taking fire as example you're not gonna spend time trying to find that sweespot mid zoom. I was given a 4x fixed prism and like that a lot so I replaced my LPVO with that and run a 1x red dot on a 45 for like a cqb close type thing. On my 10.5 I'm running a 3 dot with 3x mag and on my 6" PCC 9mm I'm running a holographic. Realistically having been in actual combat in an actual urban like environment your engagements most likely won't be beyond that 300 meter range. Most will be 50 to 200 actually so that long range isn't necessary unless yours just trying to get PID before engagement. Long range stuff I leave that up to my 6.5CM bolt action with a 9-23 scope on it
I have G33 and thought it was great until I saw that a person around 100rds away dressed in camo around standing in trees/shrubs and 3x did not give me great threat ID vs 1-6X LPVO. If I could do it all again probably go w/ 4x led ACOG w/RDS as minimal magnification for use in hardwood forest mixed with open fields. Your mileage will vary but also don't need 8X or higher either.
I have a Romeo msr and I love it, wish it was shake awake but still very nice, I just bought a firefield reddit for a second upper just to mess with it bc it was $40, and it hasn't failed me yet
Different optics for different jobs. I find the EOTech with magnifier the most versatile. I run different optics on different AR's for different situations. But my SHTF rifle is the 11.5, 556 with the ACOG.
Loves these comparisons seeing how I got the 4x ACOG and my brothers got the eotech.. but I think your swinging target is causing you to wait onnit to swing down before your follow up shots, no? Weigh the target down or do it on one that doesn't swing..
The ACOG is hands down the best.. but it all depends on what you use it for.. I’m about to pick up an Eotech for home defense.. but if I wanted an all around gun, I’d probably go LVPO
Looking forward to getting my first Modern Sporting Rifle soon as soon as my semi-auto license comes in (New York. Boo!) My last experience with optics was a fixed 4x on a Ruger rimfire 35 years ago. I’m very glad for these comparisons because I’m about twelve generations of technology behind and have some catching up to do. Much of what is available today was science fiction the last time I bought a firearm. What a time to be alive! 💯👌
It all matters on the job you're intending it for, if I know its mainly long range use with some urban usage or within 100 yards I'd choose an lpvo with a canted red dot, where as if it were mostly close range usage out to roughly 2-300 yards than I'd go with the magnifier combo. What i wish someone would come out with is a support for your forward arm to help support more weight on a rifle to lengthen your usage and curb fatigue
Definitely like the series, I think it works for new people entering this guns world. Myself just ordered an AR-15, and would like to know what accessories work best for it. Keep them coming!
Im currently running a sig tango msr with an offset mounted kraken green dot. For night vision capabilities also a better zero for cqb and a much quicker sight picture. May swap the lpvo for and acog at some point though
Have you guys tested that plate carrier with night vision ? The black areas of rubbery material and buckles I wonder about. Thsnk for your great videos.
I love my Eotech + Magnifier but have been using a 3x micro Prism lately and am really liking it as well. Nice comparison video and beautiful area for a range.
Big fan of prism scopes here. 4X on a 9mm rifle and a .22lr. So much fun.
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Eotech 1/3 Co witness for me. Also run a Romeo 5 red dot. I prefer my eotech because I can acquire my target faster. But if I don’t wear my glasses the dot is blurry
I feel like an ACSS reticle RD with a 5x magnifier gives you the most flexibility from say a 0-300/400m range situation. LVPOs are great until you really get into a close CQB situation...one man's opinion.
Not surprised with the results considering you're 50 yards and under. Hope you plan on doing the exact same drills say at 100 to start and even possibly 150. It would be nice to see the comparison between them and then I final tally of all of them.
I get a chance to work with marines on a daily basis. They are not happy with the VCOG, says it’s not dependable and they can’t trust it over the time they’ve used it. They say its prone to leaking letting water in and thus fogging up in the field and very heavy. And why didn’t you do the drill with it on 1x power verses 2x for close shooting? Nice review overall and good comparison.
This is a very practical description & demonstration. Very, very helpful. Is expense comparison a relevant factor for many folk in this realm? I know at this point for me & mine I am running a basic/standard LPVO with no illuminated reticle. This is partly to keep it cost effective.
On the last exercise it was interesting to hear you pick up the holographic and say, "I'm going to run with what makes sense.. no magnification." In fairness, you can run the VCOG with no magnification as well.. when it makes sense.
I'd like to see other shooters, possibly with different life experiences. Possibly less subjective, go with five sets, average best three on the two-shot exercises. Granted I am a total new shooter but want to get an AR15 this year and will rely on your videos for the optic. thanks
Sorry, I still can’t find an argument for an LPVO that works for me. (Obviously YMMV). I just don’t see the need to be able to instantly flex from 1x to 8x-10x; to me the distances where I’m going to want 8-10x demand a set-up that’s different from 1-4x mag that I’m looking at a different rifle, not just cranking up the magnification. To each their own, and clearly a lot of people love LPVOs, to me they just aren’t worth the size/weight. Either go for small 1x red dots, small 3x prisms, or go for real magnification that full scopes provide if you’re hauling the weight. 🤷♂️
Red dot and magnifier. Lpvo was an answer to a problem that didn’t exist as it doesn’t offer any benefit over a magnifier and red dot. What it does do well.. lpvo on a M1a socom 👍
Here is my thought (I know no one asked) You get what you need it for 😂 For example, I have a rifle and I have it just in case sh$t hits the fan. I have a family so I don’t want to engage into close quarter combat. In my opinion it’s mostly luck. I want to be able to defend my family from a distance. I was a good shot in the Marines so obviously I’m going with the RCO. I want to keep any enemy as far away as possible. Maybe keep them at 500 yds while my family can find another place to hide. But if I build a second rifle for close quarter combat I will definitely get any type of red dot.
For some of us there's other factors that are hugely important. For me it is weight. When you only have full use of one arm and hand. A 2lb. Lpvo isn't a reasonable option.
Agreed and why I mention the weight of each. As much as I enjoy the VCOG, on my M4A1 with a heavier profile barrel, light, and Steiner DBAL, puts the gun over 12 lbs....Ouch
Love it! Eventually I would love to get one of those optics however my finances at the moment won’t allow them just yet. Can you recommend an entry level option? Thanks Clint.
Dear Classic Firearms Staff. Please do an episode on you guys competing in a local centerfire PRS match or Sniper Style DMR match shooting out to 1000 yards or so. Granted, it’s not your usual channel material of which model AR15 is the best, but it would be cool to see you guys push your marksmanship abilities to the limit.
LPVO with ACOG mounted at the 12 oclock sporting a piggyback reddot. And an EOTech on a 45 degree offset.
And carry an AK for when the AR fails
This is the way
😂😂😂
Don’t forget 45° offset irons on the opposite side of your EoTech 👌
lol no better way to make a 6 pound AR 3 times the weight but have all the capability! You definitely need one of the optics on a 8 inch riser for NV and that set up would be perfect!
This video series is EXACTLY what I needed, I'm about to build an AR for the first time and I want to know what the pro's and con's of each kind of optic are. Thank you guys for doing this, and its prefect timing for me.
@@MilesReeceActualYou have a very skewed view of reality. Not sure why you’re so bothered about what other people say on a yt video but do your thing.
Same for me 😍
Start with a red dot
@@bigz5262 that's what I'm doing, then I'll probably get an LPVO
@@MilesReeceActualwdf are u rambling about
For CQB (zero to 50) dot plus magnifier works best for me (I've tried all 3). Everyone is different, find what works for you and master it.
What do you need a magnifier for at 50? Unless you’re trying to stack dimes, a dot is more than enough for 50.
@tolebelon I'd imagine he's nit using the magnifier at those ranges but just wants the capability lol
Like the video. My two cents. If this is a CQB test the LPVO should be at 1x. I really like when anyone talks about the potential of both eyes open shooting. It is by far the best thing I ever decided to train and learn.
Dot and Magnifier for me. I love the ability to drop excess weight if I want or use the latter for some target identification without actually pointing the gun that way.
Also! My eyes suck. Magnifiers work way better for me than the diopters on LPVOs and prisms for some reason.
I always found it funny in the Marines after making adjustments they would tell us to slap the acog to make sure it was set lol
Haha, yup
When I was originally sighting mine in I wasn't smacking it and my POI kept moving around. There was an older Marine at the range he came over and he's like "You gotta slap it after you adjust it" Did as he said and it worked.
That’s what Trijicon recommends as well
I'm fortunate enough to have all three optics that you featured here. I find that life is usually always easier with the good ole ACOG. Just my opinion.
When running CQB room clearing competitions with an LPVO vs an Eotech, the time gap is dramatically different while transitioning between multiple targets. Not even close. LPVO is much slower to use.
this is definitely true. I'm a huge LPVO proponent. I think it's actually a very fair consideration to do a LPVO with a cant/top mounted red dot to really cover this short coming. Even though the answer is truly "it depends", I choose to run just an LPVO as it is capable in most situations that the average 16" rifle will be put through.
In real life, cqb means frag party and point shooting. Get the optic you're the most comfortable and stick with it.
@@grazianism
Not all CQB is inside a building and not all indoor firefights are CQB. Still, you're definitely right about the grenades & point shooting.
This is why I bought a 1-8 power LPVO with ACSS reticle for my 6.5 Grendel Hunting rifle but I bought an EOTech EXPS2 w/ G33 3x magnifier for my recreational Fun gun or my just in case gun..
@@grazianismWe civilians (including ex-military) will never be doing anything with frags. You MIGHT manage some flash bangs of some type but frags? I would expect that if your LPVO has a nicely illuminated reticle, shooting with both eyes open would be capable of being as fast as with an EOTech. You just want the red (or green) LPVO reticle on your target and go.
I like this discussion. Would like to see more discussion on the different optics.
Plenty available on the Internetzz!
I swear they are reading my mind. I was just thinking about this last week and this morning on how I want a video like this, to help choose for my new builds.
To me for a do all SHTF set up. I would have to say red dot/magnifier would be the way to go. If you move to a cqb situation you can pop the magnifier off out the way. And if you need to engage out to distance you have that option as well. Acog is good to. But to me LPVO is for a setup your are going to be running more long distance than anything
1x prism with magnifier, no batteries required. What I run on my 14.5".
@@InexorWoWWhich PRISM do you run? The one I bought the company said it can’t run with a magnifier.
For shtf the last thing you want is something dependent on batteries....
@@justinmurray4652 that's why u keep fresh batteries I'm your optic and on u
@@timothycain4512I guess that’s where people’s wildly different beliefs of what “shtf” come into play.
I agree with other commenters too that the REAL difference is going to be when in close and moving from one target to another in totally different directions and at unpredictable angles. That’s where an EOtech is really gonna shine.
What works for you is the answer! Whatever you’re going to be proficient with is going to be best and you must try to find out. I do Love EOTech my personal opinion with or without magnifying.. Great video loved the comparisons!
They're all great choices, but it would depend on what the situation you're using it for is.
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but there is still the 5.5 mag acog wich is still a bit of range
The reason I went with the ACOG ECOS because you get the ACOG for medium to far, the RMR for close up, and the back up rain sights in case everything
else fails. These are all solid choices!
been using vortex LPVO, with flip up irons. Works solid.
You have a quick detach or what?
Im thinking the same, but how do you get the LPVO out of the way if you need the irons?
You found a good quick detach mount or what?
larue QD mount @@JamieR2077
This video is some nice asmr and brought me so peace today. Loving it. Peak aesthetics. The weather and backdrop. All of it.
For duty/defense, I really like the EoTech despite an astigmatism when I don’t have my contacts in or wearing glasses. With three on three go-to ARs, two 11.5 and a 14.5 p/w, it only made sense to get a 5x magnifier. It’s amazing on the 14.5 slinging 77s out to 384 yds., the furthest I have to shoot, lol. I like how I don’t have to keep it on the rifle to save weight or to dismount for an impromptu “spotting scope.”
Love this to be a continuous series. You’re always leaning towards one thing but seeing it in action makes you think it all
I have been down this road...'Gave my VCOG away to a friend who was LE/Mil. He loves it, but complains (every once in a while) about the weight. I had the thing mounted on a JP 300 AAC and it totally canted the weight of the weapon. I run an ACOG with a Trijicon red dot on my AK (side mount). It works very well. My favorite setup for an AR is a Swarovski Z8i (HUGE eyebox) mounted on a Geissle Super Precision 30mm scope mount. This has a Reptilia front top (forward) ring which allows me to run a Trijicon RCR. It is the best setup I have found.
To answer the main question I enjoyed this video and would love to see more, but then again I always do lol. I’ve run dots and prism optics for a hot minute. Either 3x or 5x. Just got my first lpvo, and sig tango msr 1-6. I really like it but haven’t got to shoot it yet. I see myself using that on a deer rifle but not an ar for a few reasons. It’s a little too big for me personally and fast eye relief isnt the best. So the dot or prism works for that. While hunting with a bolt gun I don’t need fast eye relief so I can swing it. Idl just my personal thoughts. I’ve never tried the magnified dot, seems silly heavy and bulky though
I'm a fan of a fixed power optic like the ACOG and having an offset red dot for CQC. I feel like it makes the most sense, having an optic that's so well proven and having no battery required being the main optic. While an offset little RMR style sight for those close quarters with only one battery type to worry about. Although, there is the See All open sight that like the ACOG is fiber optic and tritium powered, only needs a little more training to get used to than a regular dot.
Why does the eotech get to add a magnifier to compare but the acog doesn’t get to add an rmr?
Most likely going off of prior service experience. ACOG fixed issued on a rifle but no RMR backup. Pretty standard in GWOT.
There has been many videos on this topic. I like this series because you're getting into different situation where all 3 can shine.
If you're in an urban area, Eotech and magnifier all the way. The acog can be good for a DMR in an urban area, but would need a piggy back red dot.
Running in the woods with some open areas, acog with a red dot would probably be best, especially if it's a end of days situation, where batteries are hard to find. Would be limited to the piggyback dot under NV though, so make sure to get a good one.
An LPVO would be good at open area, with chances of short shots as well (ie hog hunting). You can also utilize a clip-on NV for capabilities at night. Just make sure you also get a 45 offset or piggyback dot. This can be used for back up, as well as quick target acquisition at decent ranges, when magnification is dialed up.
LPVO all the way in this particular rifle setup. The others have their place, but I prefer LPVO. And if you get pirates eye from a 5.56, you are doing it wrong.
LPVO & offset red dot. Covers all the bases & faster to switch than red dot + magnifier.
Heavy.
I was thinking of adding the ACOG 4x32/RMR combo to my FN M16 Military Collector. But lately I’ve been leaning towards that same VCOG you have in this video. Wanted to add that the zoom adjustment is literally everything!
Go with ACOG 4x32....no RMR needed. RMR only if you have night vision on your helm.
@@user-zm8nb8pk4n why would you limit the piggyback RMR to just NV use, it's a great close range optic. Magnified optics suck at 10-25 yards
@guitarthrasher2176 I got the acog 3.5x35 led and I shoot in 25 meters as fast as with an red dot. Maybe like you said in 10-20 meters a red dot would have a slightly advantage but not enough for me to put an extra red dot on my rifle.
Someone did a video and they found that they were a hair faster, and just as accurate with just the ACOG and without the RMR. Not sure how well versed he was with the top dot or canted. He did both. It was one of the Guntubers, just not sure which
@@MrCashewkitty Do you have a link to this video?
Just bought my DDM4A1 and was wondering what type of optic to go with. Might just go with the Holographic and magnifier. What are other good mods for this rifle?
100% ! Anything under 600 meters use red dot / magnifier , over 600 meters LPVO with offset red dot.
I’d love to see you do this comparing the front running suppressors on a well gassed di ar and your MCX spear lt (RC3, slx, huxworks,etc.)
This was fantastic. It would be fun to send a newbie out with these and see what works best for someone with far less experience. Like me. Just a thought.
RDS + mag: primarily
SBR = Red Dot
GPR = Red Dot & Magnifier
SPR = LPVO 1-10
Long Range = Real Scope
ACOG TA02/RMR piggyback is a solid GPR setup
@@guitarthrasher81 Agreed
@@guitarthrasher81for 2 grand it better be
But if you had to pick one and were on a budget
@@msquared9605 $1500 actually kf you know how to shop right
Eotech batteries not really an issue…my surefire weapon light runs on the same ones and I carry extras in the Magpul stock storage tubes😀
big advantage to a scope is an etched reticle
For military purposes, this is why I am a big supporter of the ELCAN. Read more below:
When using an LPVO, most guys had it either on full zoom or 1x. Rarely in between.
The ACOG is simple to use and super tough because it's a prism optic. Great aspects for standard Infantry but doesn't have variability for close quarters.
The EOTECH and Magnifier combo is the best option of the three in the video but they are two separate pieces of equipment to lose, break, or carry.
The ELCAN solves most of these issues by providing two magnification levels, tough optic, all in one package.
You got me all excited until I looked up the price. $2000!
Yeah... notice I said for military purposes. That way I don't have to pay the tab!😅
It’s all circumstantial. LPVO is most versatile. Holographic isn’t practical for home defense due to battery life. ACOG is a nice in between
ACOG + Red dot is an option as well. Trijicon makes a version where you can mount an RMR pistol optic. Throw a trijicon SRO or that new HD on there.
Really liked the video. I just purchased my first ar and am currently having the same debate as to which optic to go with. I really appreciate the video and the time you put into this. Much appreciated
I would probably agree. I was running a 1-6 FFP LPVO on my 16" and found that at 1x the reticle was that of a red dot but the odds of engaging at 1x was null and found with LPVOs you're either all or none meaning all the way pushed in at max mag or at 1. Why? If you are taking fire as example you're not gonna spend time trying to find that sweespot mid zoom. I was given a 4x fixed prism and like that a lot so I replaced my LPVO with that and run a 1x red dot on a 45 for like a cqb close type thing. On my 10.5 I'm running a 3 dot with 3x mag and on my 6" PCC 9mm I'm running a holographic. Realistically having been in actual combat in an actual urban like environment your engagements most likely won't be beyond that 300 meter range. Most will be 50 to 200 actually so that long range isn't necessary unless yours just trying to get PID before engagement. Long range stuff I leave that up to my 6.5CM bolt action with a 9-23 scope on it
I have G33 and thought it was great until I saw that a person around 100rds away dressed in camo around standing in trees/shrubs and 3x did not give me great threat ID vs 1-6X LPVO. If I could do it all again probably go w/ 4x led ACOG w/RDS as minimal magnification for use in hardwood forest mixed with open fields. Your mileage will vary but also don't need 8X or higher either.
I've only ever run an lpvo. I just feel it's the best of both worlds
I have a Romeo msr and I love it, wish it was shake awake but still very nice, I just bought a firefield reddit for a second upper just to mess with it bc it was $40, and it hasn't failed me yet
Different optics for different jobs. I find the EOTech with magnifier the most versatile. I run different optics on different AR's for different situations. But my SHTF rifle is the 11.5, 556 with the ACOG.
LPVO with offset ACOG
Appreciate all the videos. I'm still jelly that you get to call that work, though.
love my 1-10 lpvo with 45deg green dot. basically keep lpvo over 4X and use dot for anything close works amazing
Loves these comparisons seeing how I got the 4x ACOG and my brothers got the eotech.. but I think your swinging target is causing you to wait onnit to swing down before your follow up shots, no? Weigh the target down or do it on one that doesn't swing..
Just sighted a new red dot today, then mounted a true co witness mag with side mount. Easy to do, works nicely
The ACOG is hands down the best.. but it all depends on what you use it for.. I’m about to pick up an Eotech for home defense.. but if I wanted an all around gun, I’d probably go LVPO
Looking forward to getting my first Modern Sporting Rifle soon as soon as my semi-auto license comes in (New York. Boo!)
My last experience with optics was a fixed 4x on a Ruger rimfire 35 years ago.
I’m very glad for these comparisons because I’m about twelve generations of technology behind and have some catching up to do.
Much of what is available today was science fiction the last time I bought a firearm. What a time to be alive! 💯👌
It all matters on the job you're intending it for, if I know its mainly long range use with some urban usage or within 100 yards I'd choose an lpvo with a canted red dot, where as if it were mostly close range usage out to roughly 2-300 yards than I'd go with the magnifier combo. What i wish someone would come out with is a support for your forward arm to help support more weight on a rifle to lengthen your usage and curb fatigue
Definitely like the series, I think it works for new people entering this guns world. Myself just ordered an AR-15, and would like to know what accessories work best for it. Keep them coming!
Im currently running a sig tango msr with an offset mounted kraken green dot. For night vision capabilities also a better zero for cqb and a much quicker sight picture. May swap the lpvo for and acog at some point though
Nice
Have you guys tested that plate carrier with night vision ? The black areas of rubbery material and buckles I wonder about. Thsnk for your great videos.
I love my Eotech + Magnifier but have been using a 3x micro Prism lately and am really liking it as well. Nice comparison video and beautiful area for a range.
I run a 3-9x with a top dot on my GPR. Went with the Shepherd Rugged 3-9x, 30mm tube and a decent BDC reticle. Fantastic glass, fantastic turrets.
Big fan of prism scopes here. 4X on a 9mm rifle and a .22lr. So much fun.
Eotech 1/3 Co witness for me. Also run a Romeo 5 red dot. I prefer my eotech because I can acquire my target faster. But if I don’t wear my glasses the dot is blurry
I feel like an ACSS reticle RD with a 5x magnifier gives you the most flexibility from say a 0-300/400m range situation. LVPOs are great until you really get into a close CQB situation...one man's opinion.
eotech with the G45
Not surprised with the results considering you're 50 yards and under. Hope you plan on doing the exact same drills say at 100 to start and even possibly 150. It would be nice to see the comparison between them and then I final tally of all of them.
The ACOG has to b a fan favorite just from reputation.
For a 16"+ rifle I like the LVPO for a SBR I like the ACOG.
I get a chance to work with marines on a daily basis. They are not happy with the VCOG, says it’s not dependable and they can’t trust it over the time they’ve used it. They say its prone to leaking letting water in and thus fogging up in the field and very heavy. And why didn’t you do the drill with it on 1x power verses 2x for close shooting? Nice review overall and good comparison.
I love Eotechs... but I bought an LPVO for my SCAR and I love it. I have to go with the LPVO.
Best setup is acog with rmr on top.
This is a very practical description & demonstration. Very, very helpful.
Is expense comparison a relevant factor for many folk in this realm?
I know at this point for me & mine I am running a basic/standard LPVO with no illuminated reticle. This is partly to keep it cost effective.
Why doesnt the sight with no magnification have a etched in redicle for use if battery dies
EOTech plus magnifier will remain top dog until there is something like the VCOG but more affordable.
On the last exercise it was interesting to hear you pick up the holographic and say, "I'm going to run with what makes sense.. no magnification." In fairness, you can run the VCOG with no magnification as well.. when it makes sense.
If you had to have one for the rest of your life, LPVO is probably the best option.
Make CF great again, Clint covering all the videos
For apples to apples, you should try using the same # of rounds. Say 10 per optic. That way you get a good and easy hit percent ratio
All great choices but damn I can’t afford any of them. That VCOG is amazing but at $3000, never going to happen.
I run an eotech magnifier on my 16 in 5.56 and lpvo on my 18in dd5 in 6.5cm.
Try out the PA SLX 1X Microprism Gen II (and 3x)
Green Prism+magnifier for astigmatism individuals
you have to make the best with what you have! nevertheless an lpvo with an antimatter scopeswitch has the widest range of uses.
Why not use 1x on the LPVO at close range instead of 2x?
I'd like to see other shooters, possibly with different life experiences. Possibly less subjective, go with five sets, average best three on the two-shot exercises. Granted I am a total new shooter but want to get an AR15 this year and will rely on your videos for the optic. thanks
Eotech is my go to!
I have the vortex strickeagle 1x8 and I have never been happier
I have all 3. I feel depends on situation but I guess it's all preference
I’m a Dot+Magnifier guy mainly because it looks cool. That action of flipping the magnifier in place is just cool.
Sorry, I still can’t find an argument for an LPVO that works for me. (Obviously YMMV). I just don’t see the need to be able to instantly flex from 1x to 8x-10x; to me the distances where I’m going to want 8-10x demand a set-up that’s different from 1-4x mag that I’m looking at a different rifle, not just cranking up the magnification. To each their own, and clearly a lot of people love LPVOs, to me they just aren’t worth the size/weight. Either go for small 1x red dots, small 3x prisms, or go for real magnification that full scopes provide if you’re hauling the weight. 🤷♂️
I would like to see the LPVO run in it's 1x setting. Since it should be in that mode unless you need to reach out and touch something
Red dot and magnifier. Lpvo was an answer to a problem that didn’t exist as it doesn’t offer any benefit over a magnifier and red dot.
What it does do well.. lpvo on a M1a socom 👍
I have only ever used the acog but have wanted a eotech for awhile, but the more magnificent the best
LPVO has no place in CQB. Way too slow. Red dot with flip to side 3x magnifier is the way to go .
17:49 that math ain’t mathin’ 😂
Here is my thought (I know no one asked)
You get what you need it for 😂
For example, I have a rifle and I have it just in case sh$t hits the fan. I have a family so I don’t want to engage into close quarter combat. In my opinion it’s mostly luck. I want to be able to defend my family from a distance. I was a good shot in the Marines so obviously I’m going with the RCO. I want to keep any enemy as far away as possible. Maybe keep them at 500 yds while my family can find another place to hide. But if I build a second rifle for close quarter combat I will definitely get any type of red dot.
Maybe consider adding MPVOs w/ offset red dot. That gives you true short, medium, and long range capabilities.
For some of us there's other factors that are hugely important. For me it is weight. When you only have full use of one arm and hand. A 2lb. Lpvo isn't a reasonable option.
Agreed and why I mention the weight of each. As much as I enjoy the VCOG, on my M4A1 with a heavier profile barrel, light, and Steiner DBAL, puts the gun over 12 lbs....Ouch
I use an eotech with a sig 4x and 6x. Works well for me.
My acog has iron sights on top, and I feel like the acog can take a little more abuse, but I do like the eotech versatility
Clint.. SF brother and happy 248th! I like ACOG’s , what are your thoughts on that new HWU Saturn ?? ( Futuristic Acog).
I love etched prism optics, simple and reliable.
Love it! Eventually I would love to get one of those optics however my finances at the moment won’t allow them just yet. Can you recommend an entry level option? Thanks Clint.
Thank you they are all literally sitting in my shopping cart cause I can’t decide lol
Dear Classic Firearms Staff. Please do an episode on you guys competing in a local centerfire PRS match or Sniper Style DMR match shooting out to 1000 yards or so. Granted, it’s not your usual channel material of which model AR15 is the best, but it would be cool to see you guys push your marksmanship abilities to the limit.