Uncovering the Truth Behind This ‘Sex Church’ | Investigators
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- Опубликовано: 20 сен 2024
- The Phoenix Goddess Temple claimed to be a neo-tantric church offering ‘seekers’ healing through sensual touch. But one day, the temple unknowingly welcomed in a new kind of seeker-undercover detectives on a mission to expose what they believe to be a brothel in disguise.
Podcast hosts Leah and Katie Henoch’s investigation reveals what was really going on.
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As a non-American I find it insane that making porn is legal but prostitution is criminal ... so having sex with 1 person for money is morally bad yet having sex with multiple people for many people to watch is morally fine? It makes no sense ...
America doesn’t. It’s all about control
I was so shocked about that too 😂 because I live in a "third world country" that is constantly being rebuked for not allowing LGBT rights by the American leaders... yet prostitution is legal here 😅
Our government is interested in collecting taxes. If you don't give them a "cut" then it is most likely illegal. It has nothing to to with morality, That is my opinion.
Your name is so white American tho lmao.
Mate the porn industry is connected to human trafficking and prostitution rings
You know, if she had been filming the sessions and paid the two persons involved in the sex act, it would be considered porn and legal. It's a really weird line we have about what's illegal and what's not.
I didn't know porn was legal 😮
Excellent point
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mind. blown.
@@sysamanthahopeang6268 murder is legal on the sun 🌞
Mad respect for listening to 48 days of court. That's real journalism.
you think so?
The fact that you believe vice is "real journalism" isn't damaging to your credibility at all. 😂😂😂😂😂😂
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She definitely needed an attorney. Representing yourself is never a good idea
Not trying to demonise or make fun of this type of person but I've noticed that New age people tend to have a rose tint view on reality and have trouble accepting hard facts. They assume that benevolent energies will help them if they work to manifest them.
@@Rosskles it be like that but doesn't look like she has any intent of actual harm or greed... At least from the first look. I'll trust in reporters here.
@@frosty_mentos1238 As with most of these things I think the truth probably lies somewhere in between both stories. I do think these woman believed what they were doing had a spiritual origin but also, were just as happy with how much money they were earning.
@@Rosskles I mean I'd be happy to earn a living and more just by doing bodily pleasures. Sign me up as a male prostitute when I'll look better haha.
It's a closed-and-shut case. She's running a prostitution ring with a different name and even advertising on a site where all the prostitutes go lmao. I'm not trying to debate the morality of whether it's okay for people to do this or not. I don't care what people do with their bodies but it's clearly against the law in the place she resides.
For a country that claims to love freedom, we sure do criminalize a lot of stuff
And it’s only getting worse with banning books, taking away women’s rights, and taking away voting rights.
Relationships would quickly fade if men could just have sex instantly with other women.
The U.S. is hypocrisy incarnate. The nation stands for nothing but corporate profit.
Go to any liberal-run city. For a country with a lot of laws, we sure do have a tendency to ignore a lot of stuff - especially drug use, petty crime, larceny, etc.
@@jimbarrofficial you know I've heard that argument about Petty crimes in California for months now, "oh you can basically shoplift now, as long as it's under $900", but it turned out Fox News lied (shocker) because our friends restaurant got broken into and the person did get arrested and fined. The main thing California changed was to no longer get a felony, just a misdemeanor, still have to pay fine or serve time in prison or community service depending on what the court decides for you.
I'm not going to defend drug use as I know nothing about how that goes in the criminal system, but I do more than just blatantly trust what a few sources say, but if you're touting petty crime as hard as other things you're listing... I'd imagine the law isn't as black and white has you're saying for Drug Use, Larceny, and etc.
this is crazy i lived with this lady for 2 years. i cant believe shes on vice, all i gotta say she definitely didnt deserve to go to prison.
How was she to live with?
@@oggyboggy8692 The sex was good but apart from that, really messy.
So was she a good lye?
Why the hell does anyone care what consenting adults are doing? We are so freaking repressed.
So basically you support sex trafficking and pandering.
Interesting how the court uses the term "victim" when describing the women when it benefits their case against the main woman, but uses "prostitute" when it helps them criminalize those very same women. This country is unjust.
Exactly.
Very good point
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How idiotic of you.
If you are forced to do something you are a victim...If you choose to do it it should be a transchition between 2 adults . Sex or renting a car, explain the difference??
It’s kind of crazy how the Catholic church has had an undeniably rampant problem with their priests, but the police want to focus on this. Experiences happening between consenting adults.
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Why not focus on all?this is as problematic as the rest.
Nothing is worse than Pedophilia
@@Chicken56877 what’s wrong with sex and education between consenting adults 🤷🏼♂️
@@kidinthecloud so this is okay to you? I bet you hate pimps tho loser
As an American woman, wife, and mother who had never heard of Tracy or her church before this piece, and not knowing the actual evidence against her, I have to say I kind of sympathize with what seems to be her basic motivation. Sexual healing is a real thing, something both men and women could use more of in our sexually twisted culture.
You're right. There's too much focus on sex in your erm "culture"
@@crypton_8l87 "erm" as if the American culture built from the same cultures you likely think are somehow "more cultural" isn't actually a genuine "culture" XD so illogical its hilarious.... A culture is the way of life for a society, literally every society has a culture...................
We need more loving sex. Not crazy love.😂
We need more loving sex. Not crazy love.😂
Well said - I can't see what she did wrong. America just loves to lock people up.
Most of the women said the most traumatic part of the process was the involvement with the police.
Really great piece. Especially loved the part where the states witness said “I like to call them victims” ….even though they were criminals according to the same people
It usually takes people a long time to come to terms with cultic control, so it's likely that more and more of them will come to feel that Tracy was using systematic manipulation (possibly unconsciously). But having watched documentaries about the LDS, pretty much all the victims still found the sudden, forceful police interventions traumatic, even if they had been trying to escape.
Yes, but I don’t think this is like the LDS at all tho.
They were the victims and the perpetrators at the same time 😅 if u think about it , it doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me and in the other hand porn is allowed in America, maybe the government is thinking that they don't recieve their fair share of the booty
Police don’t deescalate situations. So of course anytime police are involved with something, someone is getting hurt or killed.
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Their priestess has demons that deceive people into committing sins in exchange of money.
Whenever cops “takedown” a ‘brothel’ like this, you can be sure that half the department was frequenting the place.
Haha probably!
Or their real pimps are moaning because competition is too strong.
true
And pissed because they had to pay like everyone else
They were “under cover”.
This is a very important issue!!! As a retired sex worker, I can say that I did it entirely by choice as an empowered woman expressing my spirituality, and if I was able to do so without fear of repercussion, I would be doing it today!
And for anyone who wants to judge me, I am a college educated white cishet woman, I was in my late 50s, and disabled when I did it for almost a year, and I don't think ANYONE really understands how powerful sex work is, when it is done from a place of CHOICE.
I never did one thing I didn't want to. I was treated with incredible respect and dignity, I was APPRECIATED for what I gave, and I witnessed profoundly humanizing and healing moments in my energy exchange with my clients, who ranged in age from 20 to 75.
So this type of journalism, to me, is very much needed!
I am grateful for this balanced and inquisitive approach. Haven't we made ANY PROGRESS since the witch hunt days? No, we have not!
I need your number dear if at all your still alive
I have nothing against prostitution and believe it should be legal. However, don't pull this spirituality bullshit. You are fucking for money and there is nothing spiritual about it. I have nothing against prostitutes; I hate hypocrites.
prostitution is illegal...But they make porn legal? What's the difference 😂
Ive always wondered this as well as its a pretty obvious contradiction.
One is youre paying a sex worker to have sex. The other is you're paying a sex worker to have sex, but you're filming it with the intent to distribute.
All sex work should be legal.
Honestly it's hypocritical all things considered. One of many questionable things in the world that haven't been solved yet.
Prostitution is illegal...yes in the US...but in a good part of the EU??...it's considered My body My choice...long live the EU🤣😂
22 charges and weeks of court and only 4 and a half year sentence despite being found guilty on all charges. Really shows how charges are trumped up - multiple charges that mean the same thing and then used a a bargaining chip for plea deals.
Even though she seems intelligent, hardworking and well-spoken, I think she might’ve won if she had an experienced lawyer representing her. Even the best lawyers hire other lawyers.
As it is so often said: "A lawyer who represents himself has a fool for a client."
The main reason lawyers hire lawyers is that one can't sue oneself for incompetence if it comes down to that.
Christ sake, prostitution is legal in good countries, the whole system is better, way less crime and no arsehole pimps
❤❤ All women are heroes!! ❤❤
22 charges and only 4.5 years sounds like trumped down rather than up. Also we are talking about $X work so that sounds like a bargain. May the Real God help her and guide her to the truth.
Why did the state decide to prosecute this case? They were taking in money and not having to pay taxes. Unforgivable.
I too have often wondered why police departments are being told to wait so long before making an arrest while they should be spending more time to investigate cases of adultery being commited by a person with multiple partners. Is that because wicked people like that hire for themselves body gaurds from outfits similar to Wagner group while only pretending to offer their human trafficking victims love and protection?
As a former merchant mariner I sought 'goddesses' in ports all over the world and in many places, the 'goddesses' and their 'temples' were regulated, well cared for and were there by choice, not coercion. Americans have a much higher tolerance for repression and violence, which is unnatural than for making love...
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Is that an order?
Another delusional man thinking that when he’s paying for sex the woman is thinking about love. Dope.
Please stop calling fucking making love. There is no love of any kind going on. I am 82 and have fucked a lot of women. There was never any love going on except with my wife. The rest was pure sex.
It is an interesting thought though, what makes a religion valid in the eyes of the state?
Depends on how many legeslators and other various power brokers are a member of that religion. Ask almost anyone that has a belief in a religion and they will tell you theirs is the one true religion. That everything else is just a cult or some sort of heresy. And those people bring those prejudices into government.
Of course, that's how it actually works. You might have been musing on how it ought to work.
The number of followers, length of establishment, and conformance with the laws and values of the ruling government.
I don't think it matters as long as you are doing something illeagal regardless of ur faith you should be punished.
Sanity.
It’s wild to me that prostitution is still illegal in America.
*This is probably the most honest church I’ve ever seen*
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Says the person who only goes to church for Christmas
@@R-rr1 No, the person who goes to church never.
Up your stalking game
@@JudasMaccabeus1 then what do you know about churches ?
What the gossips says.
That’s why they’re now using cathedrals for Ramadan 😂
Westerners don’t realize Islam is talk over or maybe you don’t care about it.
You probably think it’s a peaceful religion .
Since you enjoy this kind of video I’d recommend Nabi asli channel to you or the apostate prophet.
Well you can choose not to go on those channel and I can’t do anything .
@@R-rr1 Read Mark chapter 16:1-20. Ask yourself this question. Do you believe what it says? These signs will follow those who believe!
Kinda like how the temple of Aphrodite was in ancient times,they called it universal love..that back page idea was a bad move though.
That's what I was thinking
She really fucked herself and her “congregation” by advertising on porno solicitation sites. I’m sure it brought in business but Jesus Christ. Use your head! She could’ve even advertised but used a pseudonym, burner number, etc but nope.🤦🏼♀️
Was it established in court that the temple leader was the one placing the Backpage ads? Or had authorized or directed someone to do so?
@@Knight3rrantIt's really annoying they didn't cover that in this video. It seems like this was really hastily made like they don't really care.
@@ALotOfCancer this
Who decides when a religion is valid or not.
Fucking great line.
Making prostitution illegal just makes sex work more dangerous. This world is so backward.
Thanks to the radical right.
They don’t do anything about prostitution in Phoenix Arizona the police roll on by as they 👀
@@skankhunt3624 Yeah we need to ban sex, ban books, ban gays and follow Jesus. Then everything will be wonderful!
So true, they're idiots. Same with drugs..at least decriminalize, and watch cartels sink under. Our "leaders" have blood on their hands
@@skankhunt3624 radical 😂🙄
Judge: "I sentence you to 4 and a half years in prison." 👩⚖️
Prosecution: **Laughs in Vatican** 😂
sounds like the most honest religious movement out there...
American news media: is this a place of worship or a brothel?
Babylonians at the temple of Ishtar: yes.
MOM: “Son why are you going to Church so Often”, SON: “Mom I finally found Religion!!!” 😀😀😀
son is seeker mom is healer wtf
google 'adonitism' i think its called you wont regret it
A long time ago, someone once told me "The problem isn't that people don't believe in anything anymore. The problem is that they'll believe ANYTHING nowadays."
I think Tracey genuinely believes in what she says. As long as prostitution stays illegal things like this will exist to accommodate for that.
I want to join that church, I have so much sexy love to share lol
There are billions who actually believe some type of diety exist.
@@xtscarfacem8255 is there another way to explain our presence ? There must be a higher power/deity behind it.
@@pietrojenkins6901 then what created that higher power? see how easily that argument falls apart?
btw prostitution may be illegal but you can get an escort in every major city in America
@@jujitsujew23 Whether or not you know the answer to if God was created or not, it doesn’t change the fact that it has been scientifically proven that our universe definitely isn’t eternal which means it had to be created. If this has been proven then why don’t you accept the truth?
Usually, so-called “decency laws” include language targeting “lasciviousness,” things that arouse “prurient interest,” etc. As a former Tantric student, I can assure you that our work was serious - not lascivious. This was only indecent in the filthy minds of the prosecutors.
Hm interesting.
48 days of trial. . . for a 4.5 year conviction?? Wow! What a tremendous waste of resources!!
Would love to see the law be this focused on Christian or Jewish or Mormon lawlessness
Never. Not allowed. God forbids.
You just named the top three reasons that this case exists in the first place. Puritanical bullshit from other religions.
or the church of latter day saints which is rife with pedophilia
All religious cults think they are above all else, especially the law. When superstitious cults claim that they have a deity on their side, then its hard to argue against them because they do a good job at indoctrinating the masses.
God bless you too ma'am. God loves you so much He died for you and rose again the third day
If a woman wants to sell her v. Let her, it's hers, as long as nobody is forcing or coercing her. What's the problem. She ain't someone I'd pay but to each their own.
Period
Exactly it’s hers can’t nobody tell me what to do with mine. And every woman done sold some or got a gift and gave it away as a thank you 🤷🏾♀️. But they focus more on the people that smoke weed even though it’s legal here. I had the police following me 2 weeks ago. I was walking home from the store and I was smoking a joint. A sister was just a walking with hardly any clothes on. But they followed me home. I said high lol 🤷🏾♀️ I wasn’t breaking any laws. I’ve never even had a speeding ticket
@@Passion85031 The fact that people don't realize that prostitution is inherant in the human experience boggles my mind. It's also inherent in the experience of many other animals too! Not to say that all sex is prostitution, but as you said just about everyone ever has in some way, consciously or not, traded something for sex at some time in their lives.
@@Passion85031 Just realized that you wrote "said "high" " 😂
Y’all are sick.
I just feel this charge against Tracy was wrong. She seems OK ,and if she helps people to feel better what is the harm.
Well if a pimp makes other feel good with their goddesses then they shouldn't go to jail either. See how much sense it doesn't make.
Hi Trigger , I did not include the pumps in my statement. Like you I feel they are a bad entity to control another person for gain. I think working girls deserve protection and not to be looked down upon. But that would not happen here.
It's not OK when she makes a tax free living claiming to be a church. We need to tax all churches then let them do whatever they want.
She should have opened this place up in Nevada where it’s legal.
Then she would have to pay taxes.
If consenting adults are the only ones involved, it’s no one’s freaking business. The state, least of all. They should go after thos fundie “Christian” churches with their local pervert “Pastors”.
Those POS can molest kids while being protection and not have to pay a dime in taxes.
Should of brought a island
@@whiskeykilmer1866 Exactly! Call it a church and don't have to pay income tax.
@@archer1949 It because she didn't pay taxes and also there are massage places bringing in women who are basically slaves for sex. They trying to stop human trafficing, which is a big problem.
On the one hand she probably was sincere in her magical beliefs. On the other hand, like many "churches," she was profiting from those beliefs. She's a charismatic who was able to woo followers and persuade them to take donations for using their bodies to offer "spiritual/tantric" sex. While some of these women felt they followed their own free will, others felt coerced.
I was in a yoga cult for 25 years. I joined when I was young and vulnerable and, for a good many years, I would have jumped out of a window for our group's charismatic leaders if they'd have asked me to. About 15 years in I started to wake up, but it took me a further 10 years to fully sever my ties with them. Now I look back and recognize the harm my involvement caused me and many others. Manipulation and physical, psychological and sexual abuse was happening all the time, but behind closed doors and always denied by the leaders/perpetrators. Even many of the victims, including myself, didn't recognize it for what it was, or explained it away as a necessary part of our belief system.
Charismatics can take over people's lives and in many ways rob them of their free will. It's scarily easy to do. If the Phoenix Goddess lady was only "donating" her own body for tantric healing, then I guess that would be her business, but the fact that even a couple of her devotees felt coerced into doing so should raise major red flags. I suggest the Henoch sisters rethink their synopsis that there were no victims here. It seems they too were caught up in the Mystic Mother's magnetic thrall.
thought the exact same thing!!!
The problem with that idea is the fact that everything we believe and do in life originated from manipulation and persuasion. No single thought we ever have comes from us alone. We are influenced by everything around us. Now, if she was being purposefully manipulative, as in consciously pandering her ideas for the end goal of persuasion, then that's bad. If not, then that's no different than a friend convincing you to, say, become a marathon runner. Both are life-altering, both have passionate, absorbed groups following. In this sense - the coercion is the same.
For the record I'm not trying to discount your personal experience with a cult. I recognize there are purposeful bad actors whose intent is to coerce folks into following the cult for their benefit. I'm only laying out the observation that victimhood and persuasion really aren't black and white in all cases. Is it that way here with her? Dunno.
i'm sorry that you experienced this. this is why i don't like organize religion. too many opportunity for exploitation. be it financial or emotional.
cohesion is just how you get out of prostitution charges because you can't get in trouble for being a sex slave. but you can get in trouble for selling sex willing. so i wouldn't overthink it too much and assume she's kind of jonestown cult leader. the girls were simply taking advice from their lawyers and moving on.
@@drlizjade There's a big difference between your marathon running friend and a religious cult leader profiting from her followers selling their bodies for sex. One is benign, the other is incredibly questionable, even for the followers who felt they had free will in the matter. The important thing is that there were those who felt coerced and their testimony should not be discounted or minimized. In fact, it should be highlighted.
That's what charismatics are good at after all - being persuasive and/or coercive towards others. One could argue it's their biological imperative. It's innate for them, for better or for worse. Sometimes they're aware of their own manipulative tendencies, but many times they aren't. They often don't even view their own behavior through a moral lens. It's just who they are, like a cheetah has spots and a scorpion a stinger.
The ultimate destination of freedom is that point where people are free to say who they are openly, and engage in what they like freely…..America is still over 100 years behind that point.
but still cant get priests accountable for their SA crimes....shore jan
Can't be having a brothel around, that actually fulfills a need in the community.
Now THAT'S a church I can get up on Sunday morning to attend.
If the government recognizes Scientology as a religion, then THIS is a religion too.
Damn. She didn't deserve that treatment by the legal system and police. Jail time? Years? C'mon. She didn't hurt a single soul.
It was considered a victimless crime. However the state classified her as a “mob boss” thus the charges were enhanced. After jail she then had probation. So it’s not like it’s stopped. They make sure it haunts you. Luckily they let her off a few months early and she finally feels “free”
That's crazy I haven't seen a single Imam or Catholic priest of FLDS member get any jail time for all the Child sexual abuse they've done
@@eagledice2008 FLDS most def got jail time. Their leader is running it from jail. But yes more abusive religious leaders should be held accountable.
@@eagledice2008 Of course not, powerful FLDS church & Catholic Archdiocese/Vatican hierarchies take care of thier
their own $.
Did you see the mug shots and the women walking out? Yeah. Prostitution rings hurt people. Its not all fun n games.
We live in a twisted world. Some people can be whoever they feel like being and the others conform to their wishes. And those who want to express their beliefs and are persecuted.
Where is the right and where is the wrong?
Everyone must’ve been volunteering to go undercover on this one
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Why didn't they come down on the catholic church like this?
the catholic church has immense power. this was just some hippy lady.
These people have so much freedom to interpret words like 'Tantra', 'Church', 'Devi', 'Spirituality' in what ever as the way they want.
Well, here's the thing... If there were more institutions like the Phoenix Temple, there wouldn't be so much hate, anger and shootings going on everyday. In my opinion. Excellent story Leah and Katie.
but more STDs, less families/children born, and overall contribution to the decline of the civilization.
@@JamesSmith-ix5jd The only decline would be the KKK's version of civilization.
Not true, most young men couldn’t afford her prices.
There’s very cheap sexual outlets in every city ( like $20 to make ya hollar) this kids need more then sex, they need mental help
Frustrated people who are godless could go there and let off steam, instead of raping, shooting or committing suicide
I'm gay, so her temple would have no effect on me.
I listened to every episode of the podcast "Mystic Mother" and I highly recommend it!!! It's such a fascinating and complex story! It's cool Vice featured this and I just now saw what Tracy and the podcast creators/narrators look like.
It's really not at all.
I was sent a large photo book of Indian Temples of the Goddesses decades ago as a member to the LA Museum of Art. Basically, it was the same thing: legal prostitution credentialed as religion. Don't we have other issues to be concerned about????
Anything that feels good or brings joy seems to piss people off
Because their own beliefs tell them they can't enjoy it
@@diamondsndregs Encounter Ministries RUclips channel. (Mark Hemans)\
@@diamondsndregs shut up kid
If it's fun, it's a sin ✝️
Brilliant! I would rather this be classed as a religion than a lot of other "religions" out there. Gee I wonder why investigators went after this group. The basis of almost ALL religions out there is a vehicle for the subjugation of women. A religion that celebrates the sexuality and empowerment of women, well, that has GOT TO GO!
Great point!
Nobody can tackle Christianity & Islam legally because these two are the world's largest cults, they have so much strength and following, that its virtually impossible. Humans are so gullible to fall for religion
religion starts wars..🤣🤣 So do women. XD. I’m obviously kidding tho. Maybe. 🤭🤔
That's ridiculous 😂😂😂😂😂
Vice you have done it again. Continue to expose things we are not seeing in mainstream media. Thanks, Vice. Continue to expose the uncomfortable truth.
We live bound by the most fearful, the most bitter, the most envious. They are the ones that set the rules for everyone...
Months of trials and countless hours writing, printing, learning legal, and asking for help across the country. In the end all we had was the core family. Even the lawyers wanted to plea; which is why we went pro bono. They cared about nothing else.
And when it was over. Years of work, scratching for ever fucking penny to pay for all the court fees, parking, gas, food, even a place to live. After all that…the jury came up with their decision in less than two hours. We were told it might take up to a week.
You want to know what the lead juror told me when I asked “How did you come to a conclusion so fast?” He responded, “I just want to go home, we’re all tired and wanted to go home”
That’s right. Not we believe she was guilty or anything like that. They just didn’t care.
live your truth ! you did what was right and people dont realize it now. but one day, sex will be less taboo and embracing it as spiritual and a personal freedom will be common understanding: )
It is amazing what this country's law enforcement spends on victimless crimes like this, they should call the moral crimes. Just think if all of this $ and effort was directed towards actual crimes. 🙄 Yes, some are forced into the sex industry, but many choose to be involved just like may industries. If we legalized it we could monitor the industry to make it safer and sex trafficking would decrease. Not to mention all of the tax revenue governments would reap, kinda like the drug trade.
I am still sitting here thinking how ridiculous that sex work is criminalized.
Prohibition is known to not work for drugs and alcohol and obviously the same goes for sex.
Check out what happens in New Zealand for a more enlightened approach to sex work.
The problem is that a huge number of women and girls in that line of work have little choice.
@@abc-bu7nr Have they considered having choices?
@abc123 The illegality is one of the reasons they have no choice. If sex work was decriminalised and workers had legal protection and even the ability to unionise, everyone would be much safer.
@@dekai7992 With today’s technology that would also probably rush on cures and treatments for STIs. Besides the tax dollars would be nice. Not that I’m here to support prostitution but, I definitely see why some would appreciate it
Tracey should have used the ol' Scientology approach. They get away with literally anything.
Scientology has an army of lawyers. She chose to represent herself, unfortunately. I really do think her first amendment rights were violated
Wow congrats Ladies, this is a great story that needed told. Its unfortunate our society is still so immature we have to make our bodies a naughty place still today. Keep up the work,💓✌️🐽🦄🍑🍆
This is not hard to define... Its 100% fine to be a sexual religion, just don't take donation directly after some sex act and don't advertise on online prostitution forums... Rest is okay..in other words follow the law..plenty of way to profit without breakn the law...learn from the conservatives who been doing this for ages..
shut up.
america is such a bizarre country
This is one of the weirdest & most bizarre cases I had ever seen!! So odd
The fact that we get free videos on RUclips by VICE News is truly a gift. 👏👏👏
That fact that you spam this copy/paste comment everyday makes it nothing and not worth paying attention to.
Go away robot.
Begging for attention via fake virtue is pathetic and needy.
Agreed RUclips is the closest I’ve come to religion.
Nahh. I paid for the internet. Kinda not free after all. Lol
And pornhub is free too!
@@aLeGya25 i pay for the internet and still have to endure all the ads .Its certainly not free.
"Cheif" Our officers investigated thoroughly over an 18 month period and with 483 personal visits they can confirm they all had a great time., I mean illegal sex was happening." 🤣
where can i get tickets to this temple :D
I know who Tracy is. She had a place in Seattle that was the same thing. She ran it with a woman who went by the name Rainbow with a European accent. It was called the School of One. It had many names over the years. The website was exactly the same as the one shown here. Last I heard she moved to Arizona. Interesting
Fellow Seattle resident here, I vaguely remember this being a thing too😂
Well we found three church members.
should have just moved to nevada.
Hey seekers!
@@ElMundoSuave hell ya, id go to her church anyday and i hate religion
Why prostitution is illegal anyway? What a backward idea
I think she's just really good at marketing a brothel as a "spiritual" place. You can call a sex worker a "goddess" or whatever, a pimp a "religious" leader, but it doesn't change the core of what it virtually is.
2 consenting adults...leave them alone
I'll admit, I came into this video prepared for it to be another 'crazy sex cult' story with a charismatic leader taking advantage of people for their own gratification. While I think there's definitely an element of that (IE, the goddess who felt she had been coerced into doing sessions she didn't want to do, which the people in charge should absolutely be held accountable for), I can't help but acknowledge that Elise and the Henoch sisters have a point. So long as everyone involved is knowingly and enthusiastically consenting, everyone has a clean bill of health, and there's oversight to make sure the workers aren't being abused or coerced, why should places like this, or even brothels without a religious spin, be illegal? Sex work is work, it has been for tens of thousands of years, and while I may think that Elise is pretty eccentric, I don't necessarily disagree with her.
Btw, no one lived there I heard. And the women could easily just take another job or go work for someone else. I think maybe they said they were coerced so they could get an easier sentence?
Um that didn't happen if there are women feeling coerced into it
@@MoneyStrategiesSOULutions nope. That's not how coercion works
Better than those guys giving their money to OF, at least they were getting laid at this place, haha
I agree with you 100%
Tracy said she didn't like the court because "it's all proof based, and not based on the truth of your soul." 😂 😂
It's easier to FOOL others, than to convince them they are not being FOOLED
This sounds a lot like OneTaste. I came in as a recently divorced man eager to gain connection. I felt like I did in fact learn a lot about myself and most importantly connected with who I am. I took what I learned and ventured outside of OneTaste and found a match. So glad I didn’t get sucked in like so many others. I feel like experiencing a “religion” in those terms gave m the best of both worlds.
I have always thought that brothels should be licensed and legal. I think it is much safer for women who choose to be sex workers.
Pretty sure "real" churches also take "donations".
I think the detectives need a lesson or two about brothels
It’s been so long that I wouldn’t have minded being a victim of this church
Freedom of religion, as long as your religion is Christianity
Amen
Idk man, busting a quasi-prostitution ring is not the same as saying youre only allowed to practice Christianity. Even if this verdict is unfair, your comment exaggerates greatly. There has always been plurality of religion in the US since its outset, and countless religious groups have tax free exemption status.
When you give so much leniency to religion, and let it get out of hand like it has, then I don’t understand why they suddenly draw the line here, when they happen to disagree with it
This woman has absolutely no idea of the consequences for her sins.
If the goddesses are "victims", Why were they being prosecuted as well?!
"victim" to appeal to the emotion and in line with VICE's agenda. No one is the victim here. Having sex with strangers for money is what they're being persecuted for. Unless i misunderstood somewhere, do they provide service for free?
@Diogo,
Every government agent is **justifying their existence**.
Those individuals rationalize their behavior through 'force of law'.
The fact their 'law' creates criminals -- where none existed -- is another part of their delusion.
You know , that’s what I would like to know .
Why is sex criminalized ? I’m listening .
Puritanical hysteria and late stage capitalism. Same as with the war on drugs. Under the guise of “protecting women”, as if women are always weak and unable to resist coercion, as if sex work can’t be consensually chosen... but when it comes to actually doing something about the reasons why some end up being trafficked and prostituted against their will/feel forced to prostitute themselves as a last desperate resort, it’s suddenly about ‘personal responsibility’ and ‘we can’t give handouts’. Those in power don’t really want to change it, they just want to be able to oppress, extract labour and criminalise those who fall, so they can be used as slave labour in the prison industrial complex.
Aids and herpes
Because it's not sex, it's prostitution. Sex is a consensual activity, that means that there is no coercion, no power involved. Prostitution is forcing somebody into coïtus with you in exchange of money. It puts the prostitute in the same category as buying something, when it's a human being in the first place. Prostitution is human trafficking, no matter what liberal american thinkers say "that it's just a choice" humans cannot be sold and must not be sold. Women aren't a ressource that should be sold.
Christian conservative fascists. They see controlling sex as a way of controlling population growth, when they want more people they Crack down hard claiming family values. When they want less they back off, and turn a blind eye. These days they are terrified about white purity, and that population becoming a minority, so they want to boost numbers. It's also an effective way to maintain an oppressive grip on the poor.
If a brothel isnt involved in human trafficking, I dont see an issue. For a country that holds freedom and liberty as a core tenant, we can be extremely uptight.
She is right, there was an ancient religion like this.
She might have taken the "Da Vinci Code" too seriously.
The goddess doesn't do massages she does whole body healing😂😂😂
Why is prostitution even illigal? Wouldn't making it legal and placing regulations on this profession protect women? This prosecution seems unnecessary.
protecting women isn't really the point, it's only window dressing. it's more of a moral policing that they're trying to do.
Completely agree: making paid for sex illegal only turns women into unprotected victims. If you actually want to protect the women you'd give them a safe working environment
u know kids exist right
@@detective2221 woah there buddy they are talking about prostitutes,not priests.
@@redgoddess still think about the kids man
You know, there's a saying in Spanish that goes: 'made the law, made the cheat' 😂
they should put camera in the full body healing room, it wouldn't be illegal then. lmao
The women working there were more likely coerced by the police than by the madam/goddess and in my opinion no one was harmed.
Now this is a church I can get behind!!
I need healing!!
She should’ve got an attorney. She did nothing wrong. Sex is all over “spirituality”, everything she did was legally right. The law is just hypocrites.
I think we need places like this and I believe as our society continues to modernize and loneliness continues to be a health issue for Americans, I don't see what Tracy is doing as that bad on the moral scale
So do you support pimps? Cuz this is pimping and pandering
Ok then call it what it is, a brothel. Not a church. Its the same thing as having some old pastor pimping out his congregation bcuz the Lord told him to do so.
@Logan_Star_69 that's not true at all. If we take a look at those prices, it's doable.
If she were running it as a fair employer, honoring clear labor contracts that workers signed on to uncoerced and paying fair wages, I would agree. Even if she were still a spiritual leader and the women were working for free, but all the practices and expectations were transparently laid out at the beginning and women were free to leave at any time with no shunning or bad consequences, I'd agree. But in this case it seems like she was probably using cultic control.
Who is “we”, exactly? Horsy men who treat women like sex objects? No woman was to be a hooker. It’s degrading and dangerous.
We can’t have anything nice. Healing was taken away from many people 😢
Half their clients were police, politicians, doctors, lawyers etc. Marvelous
It's too bad that the spiritual aspects of sex aren't mainstream. Those moments I've had were the pinnacle of my existence and I pray I get to experience it again.
get help
@Mag,
Agreed!
"Religion Poisons Everything," Christopher Hitchens.
Yeah, ruined a perfectly functional brothel here smh
If you think about it she kinda was a genius because if you call yourself a church you don't have to pay taxes.......( That's why Scientology calls themselves a church) & then she creates a brothel. So smart a brothel that can't be taxed =pure profit. ❤️☮️🙏
I wonder what happened with the "small businesses" actually owned by the Catholic Church that took advantage of the small businesses loans offered during the pandemic. They had plenty of money and didn't actually need the loans yet they go them but the church doesn't pay taxes. We should just start taxing all churches.
Not that simple. You have to establish bonafide. That's why they were shutdown. There are church of weedsmoker and alcoholic. Taxes in this instance is corporate income tax which in real world barely have implication aside from mega corporate.
@@ianbuick8946 Encounter Ministries RUclips channel. (Mark Hemans)#
Most strip clubs in Oregon are just brothels now. Welcome to the future!
Houston also
Notice the calmness charismatic demeanor from her? Yeah, perfect magnet for desperate people to give into this cult. It's a cult, not a church. Nothing more or less.
wow i’m from phoenix and remember when this went down, never would’ve thought Vice would do a story on it
I had heard that Harry Potter was a seeker. He was always on the lookout for a snitch.