BEST OBS STUDIO AUDIO SETTINGS FOR BEGINNERS 2024✅
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My mic audio sounds good when I stream on Twitch but the game audio cuts in and out on my VODs. Any ideas? I don't play copyright music when I stream so it's not twitch muting anything I know that.
@@Clouder77 Very weird, like it completely gets muted at random times?
@@CpawsMusic correct only the VOD, live the mic and game audio sound fine. Only seems to effect game audio nothing else.
@@Clouder77 Does it say that it's muted on the Twitch VOD like a copyright sort of deal?
@@CpawsMusic no
This actually wasn't what I was looking for, but it was helpful information that I didn't know I needed. Thank you!
You're very welcome!
Keep up the good work Cpawn! This has really helps me a lot, I started streaming since last December and I was still dealing with audio problems. But now it's great thanks to you😅❤❤❤
Thanks! Happy I could help :)
Audio is so bogus man. Good vid but it’s the #1 issue. I can play on ps5 and hook up my mic it doesn’t pick anything but my voice. PC picks up if I breath. It’s like console has a built in buffer or something. So now I have a $2k pc sitting because if I steam the audio drives me nuts
Very weird, I'd recommend messing with the capture card settings like double clicking the video capture device source and click add custom audio
@@CpawsMusic that’s the thing is I don’t use a capture card. I go through OBS but thank you and great video
@@S1mL1feHopping in to comment almost a year later but you have me curious. If you are using your PS5, whats your current A/V signal flow to get your PS5 and Mic into your PC and OBS without a capture card?
@@trentonkoichi no I would just record and edit on my ps5. I did figure out the PC side literally the best way I’ve found is leave everything on default
@@S1mL1fe Interesting. I’m not going to lie, from the way you’ve described your stream/record set up and signal flow, nothing should work or is the super inefficient way of going about things. Considering you have a seemingly capable PC, you should get yourself a capture card (can get a capable ElGato used capture card for under $100). Avoid the built in stream to twitch or major video editing options like the plague. You lose a lot of functionality doing so.
This has been the most helpful video I've watched on OBS sound and I've watched many. Finally I'm able to get my mic sounding good. Thank you so much.
You're very welcome! If you end up having any questions or just wanna say hi, you can ask me live over on Twitch www.twitch.tv/cpawsmusic :D
i just spent 6 hours figuring out this madness, thankyou so much the tracks were my issue!
Happy I could help :D
Make sure you check the Audio Bitrate!!! My microphone sounded like a crunchy, static mess and I was pulling my hair out trying to figure out what was wrong! I set all channels from 160 bitrate to 320, and like magic my microphone audio was smooth as butter!
You'd think they have it at 320 on default haha
Sir I cannot express how much I am thankful i found you FRL. this video has most definitely helped me with my OBS issue
Hell yeah!
Lmao the intro is so true I swear that's why I'm here! The audio settings in OBS do indeed "suck balls!" I'm a freaking engineer and I cannot figure this out! OMG I'm crying laughing !!!!
😂 thank you so much!!
No sir thank you!@@CpawsMusic
this was really helpful!! after watching 20 tutorials on how to use my mic and headphones finally i understand how to do it! thank youuuu!
You're very welcome! If you end up having any questions or just wanna say hi, you can ask me live over on Twitch www.twitch.tv/cpawsmusic :D
Thank you so much for this, i wish i there was a way to make you realize how much you have been so helpful. Thanks so much
Honestly just leaving comments like this is the best reminder! Thanks for that 😄
Thanks, I got a lot of great information from your video and it was quick and concise!
You're very welcome! If you end up having any questions or just wanna say hi, you can ask me live over on Twitch www.twitch.tv/cpawsmusic :D
The audio track advice was very helpful
Thank you!
You sir, are my hero. Just set up an overlay and for the life of me I couldn't work out how to include my desktop audio. Thank you
1 question though, I have a stinger transition with some audio. How do I keep the visual but remove the audio from it?
That's actually a great question! Usually when you buy the package through their other site own3d.tv they include a file without audio, but since it's own3d.pro im actually not sure since it's built-in. If I do find a method i'll let you know, also if you find a way then let me know haha @@JustKwaK
@@CpawsMusic of course, thanks buddy
I been having this weird problem where I sound normal but then my microphone randomly sounds far away. I checked to see if it was my filters but it was not. My mic is a Rockville rcm pro if that helps?
and to describe it more when I boosted the part of the audio to sound as loud as the normal audio it did not have the smooth voice kind of feel it had.
Very weird, sounds like it could be a microphone issue if you ruled out that it wasn't any filers
just looked more into it and its weird, it acts out when I say "different" specifically@@CpawsMusic
this help me soo much I was losing my mind over this. thank you
You're very welcome! If you end up having any questions or just wanna say hi, you can ask me live over on Twitch www.twitch.tv/cpawsmusic :D
Bro that joke at the beginning, so good and random 💀:D
Thanks fam!
quick question, when you are talking, do you hear yourself through the headset? im trying to figure out how to still record my voice but not hear myself through my headphones.
Turn off audio monitoring under the advanced audio tab :D
@@CpawsMusic thank you!
You sure as hell know what you are talking about!
Thanks.
You're very welcome!
Straight to the point, thank You !
you're very welcome!
Did you used to be a salesman in a previous career? Genuinely good feedback. You promote yourself well.
Haha the exact opposite, I have crippling anxiety 😂
yep! checked the scan and it all checked out...
I CAN DO QR CODES TOO lol AWESOME
I will be applying them to my my streams too thanks very much, I supported with a like as that's the most I can do for now, but hopefully I will have a brighter future - thanks waldo
Hi world
Hells yeah!
Very helpful, could not figure out how to adjust balance for individual apps playing from desktop like spotify etc for the life of me until this vid.
Thank ya!
Really useful video - thank you. My suggestion is slow it down a bit though. The info is great but you do rattle through it very, very fast. Thanks again.
Thanks for the suggestion!
I'm so frustrated! I am not streaming, just recording. I have game audio on track 1, mic on 2, and discord on 3. However, sometimes it works perfectly, and other times it only records game audio and doesnt record mic or discord, yet in the audio mixer, it shows that its picking these inputs/outputs up. Im beyond myself and infuriated at this point with the inconsistency of OBS.
EDIT: I figured it out. Solution in comments!
I would double check that your audio inputs are setup correctly and didn't accidentally get mixed around before your next recording
Did it ever work for you?
@@zzzarius1638 I found a workaround. So it turns out that it was the media player I was using to preview my recordings. Most, if not all media players that I’ve found only plays the first track. There are ways to get other media players to play multiple tracks but here was my solution: I had 3 separate tracks I was trying to record. Game audio, my mic, and discord. So, in order to hear all of them in a media player to preview them I put all 3 on track 1, since the media players only play track 1. Then, I set game audio to track 2, my mic to track 3, and then discord to track 4. So when I open the recording in premiere pro to edit them, I just delete track 1 that has all 3 on it, and then I’m left with the remaining 3 tracks that have each thing separate. I hope that makes sense. Basically I make it so track one is just there so I can preview my clips without opening them in a video editing software. But when I do open it in a video editing software, I just delete the first track so all I’m left with are the 3 separate tracks that I wanted to begin with.
hey this is happening to me, did you ever find a solution?
@@Abel-gt5pq look in the comments above. I explained it already.
I have never seen the multiple track explanation for recording, I can’t wait to set it up.
Heck yeah!!
another good video my dude super helpful especially for newer users audio can be tricky but super important to get the right volume for your stream
Thanks my man!!
I love your content and thank you for making these videos. This one in particular explained a lot in a short time about recording and channels.
You're very welcome! If you end up having any questions or just wanna say hi, you can ask me live over on Twitch www.twitch.tv/cpawsmusic :D
Thank you for all your videos. They are so helpful.
You're very welcome! If you end up having any questions or just wanna say hi, you can ask me live over on Twitch www.twitch.tv/cpawsmusic :D
thank you so much my best friend asked me are you going to upload more stuff and now i can
You're very welcome! Have fun 😁
Yeah bro RS you came in the video like i was feeling !
Happy I could help!
Best video so far you took ya time and blessed us lol thank u
You're very welcome! If you end up having any questions or just wanna say hi, you can ask me live over on Twitch www.twitch.tv/cpawsmusic :D
@@CpawsMusic hey, i tried your advice with activating multiple audio recording layers for the gamesound and mic but somehow, i cant cllick and activate these, its not working
maybe you have an idea what i did wrong? do i need to change something else, to be able to activate it?
omggg! THANK YOU SO SO MUCH!!
Glad I could help!
Great Video like always. Easy, straight to the point! Thanks Mate!
You're very welcome! If you end up having any questions or just wanna say hi, you can ask me live over on Twitch www.twitch.tv/cpawsmusic :D
thank you very much cody. this helped alot.
No problem
Gonna Watch later!
ayyyy
thank you so much i could not get my mic aux to work and you fixed a ton thank you
You're very welcome!
Thanks for you video! it has really been helpful!
You're very welcome Alec
This was so helpful. Thank you!
You're so welcome!
I have a question.... should I keep my alert on my twitch vods? I looked everywhere to see which items are best to keep on the vods and which are not recommended. Is there a video that talks about this?
It's really up for you to decide :D
omg thank you for this AMAZING TUTORIAL U SAVED MY LIFE BROTHER
You're very welcome! If you end up having any questions or just wanna say hi, you can ask me live over on Twitch www.twitch.tv/cpawsmusic :D
Saving this so I can tweak my audio, hope this will work this My first time using obs
Heck yeah!
any tips for making the game audio sound better while im playing, it sounds diffrent than when i don't have obs.
Sorry not sure about that
My twitch wouldnt be running if it wasnt for you. get all my info off you. keep up the great work!
Much love Chloe! Glad I could help :D
Great Tips🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Thank you!! If you end up having any questions or just wanna say hi, you can ask me live over on Twitch www.twitch.tv/cpawsmusic :D
Very helpful, I've been voicing over this whole time xD
Hell yeah!! :D
Thank you soooo much!
You're very welcome! If you have any questions you can ask me over on Twitch :D
I’ve been having issues being able to hear myself and I still can’t hear me 🤧 I have my headset on and all. I’ve been trying to tweak the filter EQ because when I stream I’m way too loud and I want to balance that. (New to PC).
Make sure to hit 'monitor and output' on your microphone in your advanced audio settings :D
@@CpawsMusic thank you I figured out 😭😊
Ur awesome 👏
Using Yamaha MX10 Mixer and Shure 58 mic and playing keyboard going to MacBook. Concerned about mic levels. Will check out and hopefully able to make good adjustments after watching ur tut. 🙏
Yes, definitely!
thx you so much
You're very welcome! If you end up having any questions or just wanna say hi, you can ask me live over on Twitch www.twitch.tv/cpawsmusic :D
@@CpawsMusic will do
The recording audio track is fire
Ayyy thank you! If you end up having any questions or just wanna say hi, you can ask me live over on Twitch www.twitch.tv/cpawsmusic :D
You helped so much thanks 🙏
You're very welcome! If you end up having any questions or just wanna say hi, you can ask me live over on Twitch www.twitch.tv/cpawsmusic :D
Thank you i had finnally fix my mic issue whenever i stream THANK YOU
You're very welcome! If you end up having any questions or just wanna say hi, you can ask me live over on Twitch www.twitch.tv/cpawsmusic :D
Great video!!! Thank you. However, I´ve been using a Scarlett Focusrite 18/8 and keep getting delayed from my desktop audio to the one the mic is picking up. How could I solve that?
Sorry not sure about that :/
can you make a stream deck tutorial for obs using volume controls and scene/effect
I don't own a stream deck :(
my desktop audio sounds tinny for my viewers and also when recording. but to me when im playing games or doing whatver on or off stream it sounds perfectly fine...
I'd double check and make sure that you have the correct default audio sources selected under your windows/obs audio settings
Hi - Your videos have been incredibly helpful with getting me to use OBS. One issue I'm running into is capturing game audio whenever I turn on my gaming headphones. OBS completely stops capturing the game audio in my stream, and I've tried a bunch of different things to try and get it to work, but can't seem to get it right. My gaming headphones are wireless. Do you have any suggestions?
I'd check and see if your audio settings in obs are set to default, if they are, then they could be getting switched when you connect your headphones to your windows audio settings :D
@@CpawsMusic Thanks for the reply! I'm using a Mac to run OBS and streaming from Xbox Series X Console. I added my capture card as an audio input capture. I think I found a workaround by going into my Xbox settings and keeping the volume to headset and monitor even when my headphones are on, and just muting my monitor volume. Wondering if this is the most efficient, or if you might have other suggestions. Thanks again!
I'm trying to find a video on obs settings for recording acoustic guitar, but I haven't found any. I'm using an Audio technica AT2020. Any recommendations on videos?
I do not, sorry :(
Thanks for the help i'm trying to grow my youtube
you're very welcome alex! good luck bud!
Will just using one track fix the echo issue when playback in a media player on windows ?
sorry not sure what you mean by that
Thank You!!
You're very welcome! If you end up having any questions or just wanna say hi, you can ask me live over on Twitch www.twitch.tv/cpawsmusic :D
Thanks for the helpful video! I have an audio question. My gaming audio cuts in and out a lot when I record on OBS. My mic works just fine though. The game's music and other ambient sounds don't get picked up. Any advice on how to fix that?
Do you think it's just too quiet or where do you think it's causing the issue?
@@CpawsMusic No, it's pretty loud. As I play it will come in and out. No clue what's causing it! Jealous of you tech wizards! 😅
@Mags Haha I wouldn't consider myself a tech wizard, I just have pulled out enough hair to take some guesses at what could be wrong 😂 Do you have any filters on the game volume at all in OBS?
Ehhh.
Looking for settings to basically use RUclips audio for karaoke audio mixing in my voice, all synced /0 delay to my voice in the headset (of course) and record. No luck yet.
Hope you figure out a solution fam :D
in 5:50 why Audio Track 1 is not enable? Can I just enable audio track 1, 2 ,and 3? and what audio setting is best If I want to play music in my "Starting Soon" "BRB" scene without my audience hearing my mic and gameplay which is in my Audio 1 or system sound
oh sorry, i get it now. this is for recording only. no point to enable 1 in this case.
No prob!
Hey, I'm having issue that my mic picking up my desktop audio. I've been looking for the fix but wasn't able to find one. Do you have any advice? Thanks
are you wearing headphones?
Yes, if I'm using headphones the sound is not that loud but when I'm using earphones it's so loud.
I tried to record using NVIDEA as well and seems to have same issue.
Do you think the problem is my laptop?@@CpawsMusic
I’m so confused on the recording volume track 1-6 does each number mean something different? Bc you’re saying track 2 is gain volume and three is inverse or whatever you said. I’m not understanding what you did and what the track numbers mean? Anyone know?
track numbers are just the number of audio tracks you're streaming/recording to. usually people use them to split audio so you can control them better in post-production
Hey Paws Im trying to find the video where you talk about how to set the app that makes your mic sounds professional you still have that?
Yessir! ruclips.net/video/7H1r1fC_HMY/видео.html
My game audio was fine but for some reason one just stopped getting any game audio from my capture card, so you know any fixes?
I'd recommend contacting the capture card brand
I don't think this is what I was looking for. But a place I could find an answer. For some reason. I'm getting 2 tracks for game audio. Everything else is muted, and I cannot tell the different if it's just 2 audio tracks, or a left and a right one.
I want 1 track containing left and right from the game. And same with everything else. What did I screw up.
Very weird. You can definitely try messing with the tracks like we do in this video and you might be able to solve it
Question about Divninci, let's say Im recording my video with a facecam, can Dinvinci allow me to take my face cam out so that way I can make my thumbnails without face cam in it?
You'd have to be recording separately for 2 different scenes
Beard Hair Pathches? Do you pull them out?!!!! I do that too, and it seems like a very excruciatingly painful thing to realize after a patch 😭
I do!!! It's the freaking worst haha, pretty sure it's because of anxiety and nervous habits. Got me a spinner ring to try and mess with instead when I find myself doing it :D
Thanks. My Conundrum: Using OBS, Video and Audio Spot On in Sync in the produced MP4. Problem, upload MP4 to youtube the video is advanced. Help?
Very weird, not sure on that since if it's fine in the mp4 file then nothing should change when uploading to youtube
Is it okay to up the audio bitrate to 320 since Twitch only allows 6000 kbps? Does it mean we should down the video bitrate to stay under that limit?
Audio bitrate is fine at 320
Hey Cpaws, I have been watching your videos setting up my stream and have a question for you about my audio setup currently. I would appreciate it if you have a solution! Thank you in advance!
I have an Xbox One X with an elgato HD60s capture card. I am using OBX studios as well. When I am in a party chat and am recording my videos, it doesn't record the party chat audio. It doesn't pick up any audio from my voice chat when streaming to Kick. I want my viewers to be able to hear my friends in the Xbox party chat. Can you help?
Loving the content! Keep up the great work!
I would recommend trying to set the Xbox audio settings in your xbox to come out of both your headset and TV speakers. Usually that will force the capture card to capture all audio 😀
@@CpawsMusic thank you so much!
Very helpful you saved my whole familly from death thanks!!
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Does anyone know how I can play desktop audio and not wear headphones but my viewers can still hear? I been trying to have guests on my stream and I don’t want them to wear headphones to listen 😅
You can simply just play it through your speakers and it'll still come out of your desktop audio. Problem is, you might have a feedback loop from the speakers getting picked up by your microphone
Is there a way to use more than 1 audio track for live stream? I usually record every track separately like you show at the end. But for live stream I need to put everything in one single track.
My sound was very very quiet on my live stream. How can I check loudness of my audio mix on this 1 audio track?
I don't believe so unfortunately
quick question, I have tried the two audio tracks and once the video is put into davinci it has no audio tracks, but works fine on windows media player. Any help?
Weird not sure about that sorry fam
What do you do is the sync offset doest change anything about the audio delay?
Not sure about that, sorry!
Yea I have a problem.. I use 2 audio tracks for the recording that is : 2 and 3 but when I do dekstop sound 2 and mikrophone sound 3 I dont hear the dekstop sound for some weird reason
double check you have your recording tracks set correctly under the output tab
hey brodie! what camera do you/did you use for this video? its crystal clear!
This bad boy right here :D amzn.to/3DJXuHs
How do you get DAW audio into obs and out to Twitch/Discord/Zoom?
Great video, by the way!
When I stream FL Studio, the audio would be picked up via the desktop audio in OBS and it would be broadcasted to Twitch when I streamed to Twitch. Discord/Zoom you wouldn't need OBS.
@@CpawsMusic I use Obs because I have multiple scenes for my students.
I dm'ed you on Discord to show you what I'm talking about, if you have availability to discuss.
I’m trying to figure out how I could connect the output audio through with headphones for some reason I can’t seem to find a solution
You can use the computer speakers and then plug your headphones into your computer
Hey man. My mic echoes on OBS and I’m not sure why.
One of my sources is my Razor
Mic, so that’s one of the things that shows up under audio mixer.
Then the other thing is “Mic/Aux” which is ALSO my Razor mic. So I think they are overlaying.
But when I disable one of them, then my mic picks up barely anything. So my choices are overlay or nothing. Is there anything I can do to fix this?
I apologize for so much writing.
Never mind I fixed it!!! Thank you regardless
No worries!
do you know a fix for game audio in obs sounding almost underwater or completely missing? I’m having a white noise sound and occasional (messed up) sounds come through but I can’t figure out how to fix it, no videos I find, no matter how helpful in other aspects, fix this specific issue
Sorry not sure about that 😕
@@CpawsMusic that’s okay, thanks for responding!
sure thing! best of luck on the troubleshooting and if you figure it out, feel free to post the solution here :D @@etherealwlwangel
Hello
So while trying to record videos I noticed that when I monitor the audio its super loud, but when I hear the audio played back once I'm done its super low
what settings do I have to go through to fix it? please help
sorry not 100% sure on that
I just don't understand one thing... Even if I separate my audio tracks, the "desktop audio" continues to pick up audio from the separate sources. If I just mute the desktop will my vod have sound? I mean... the channel 1 is set for general audio in, and the game audio needs to come from somewhere... I've seen more than 5 or 6 tutorials, but no one explains this.
This video goes more into depth on that question :D ruclips.net/video/qw_TW-Mu7fo/видео.html
I have a question. I am new to streaming and or recording gaming and have a problem where I want to hear the audio from my game but the produced video has that audio heard echoing. What can I do? I am using OBS, a vivitar capture card and the webcam from the computer.
Is your mic picking up your speaker audio?
@@CpawsMusic I adjusted it as the game is on monitor so I can hear as I play and lowered the mic and don't have that problem no more. So I know now that's what getting a mic is best for! Critique my first vid? ruclips.net/video/mexZBeHrVZY/видео.html
@@CpawsMusic Yes, the monitor for the game is on.
so im 30 seconds in and im new to this whole OBS thing but I see your mic is in the red arent you supposed to keep it in the green for the best whatever?
i always thought if your mic goes in the red its way over peeking or something?
why don't you try keeping it in the green? and whats the difference?
oh ok as i clicked play you kinda explained it hah
@@Platinumdose420 😂
I'm using razer headset that has a 7.1 surround sound. Every time I try to stream, it's no audio from my stream. So I just switch it to default audio instead of the 7.1 surround sound from my razer headset. How to add the 7.1 surround sound to OBS? Thanks!
Sorry not sure about that
Hi i saw someone asked this prior but never responded to you, im attempting to stream and keeping getting a very noticeable echo, i do run my stream in the background which might be the problem so im going to try muting it but if i still have the problem do you have any suggestions?
It's likely you playing your stream in the background unmuted
@@CpawsMusic It was, I felt very silly, so thank you for replying to that one comment months ago, it helped
i can hear everything in OBS, game audio and game chat, and my mic works. But as soon as i start stream i can’t hear anything from a viewers POV. Any ideas?
I'd double check that you didn't accidentally mute your twitch stream when you're watching it back on the Twitch player. Otherwise you can check your advanced audio mixer settings and make sure that you Don't have everything set to Monitor Only
Hi , In my audio capture input in OBS , there is always some audio which is been captured, even though there is no any input given and that's and thats causing some noise disturbance as we stream ? What might be the problem ? Please suggest
Honestly not sure about that, sorry!
But how do you export it to a editing system with both tracks??? It doesn't have both tracks for me even with the same set up
You have to make sure your editing software allows for multi-track editing like Davinci Resolve does
@@CpawsMusic ok thank you
06:08 i Have mine setup exactly like this - Track 1 for Desktop & Mic for streaming. Track 2 for Desktop and 3 for Mic on recording. I have two issues. The 1st issue, when i record is only my mic is being picked up on the recording when my game is not being displayed. And then the mic is not being picked up when the game is displayed.
Edit* I got the above working with the seperate tracks but the issue below with not having 2 seperate audio tracks in DaVinci still remains. Is there some setting in DaVinci i need ot enable for it?
When i import either the MKV or MP4 to DaVinci i only have 1 video track and 1 audio track not two. I have no idea wth is going on :(
Davinci should accept multiple audio tracks, I don't believe I did anything special in davinci to make it do that so im not sure what could be causing that for you if you setup your tracks correctly in obs
I'm having trouble with how to mute my mic while playing a video clip. Is there a way to disable the mic from scene to scene?
I don't think so. But you can get creative with the hotkeys tho!
So you have to have an OBS system to go live on RUclips and the recordings downloads to your RUclips channel automatically
You don't have to use OBS Studio since RUclips has a built in method as well, but it's extremely limited. But yeah the recordings will save on RUclips after you end the stream :)
I have one thing ive been trying to fix for a while and have not been able to fix it and havent been able to record youtube or stream for a long time. When im recording or streaming, the audio coming out is really quiet and ive tryed everything to make it louder but nothing seems to work and im wondering how to make the audio louder so i can hear it witout having to max my headset volume on the videos for it to be a whisper
but ive still leared a bunch of other good things from this, thnx!
What mic are you using?
Hi, I saw your video and it was very helpful. But I came across an issue where the "monitor and output" function on OBS doesn't work during one time when I want to do a twitch stream. I tried to use discord to test my microphone and it can register just fine but I can no longer hear my own voice.
Do you happened to know what could be the cause? Thank you again for reading the comment.
Honestly not 100% sure unless you changed your monitoring device in your windows or obs settings
@@CpawsMusic I figured it out, I made a mistake in the setting section and accidentally changed the monitoring device to the virtual cable. Thank you for replying.
@@chro-mhithrha No prob homie! Have fun :D
Hey I have an issue where the mic only picks up on the video if I have Monitor and output on and if I turn monitor off it says it's still picking up my mic but I don't hear anything in video
I would double check that you have your audio tracks set up correctly