1 MADL Challenge | Can you shoot 1 MOA with 10 rounds?
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- Опубликовано: 2 окт 2024
- 1 MOA challenge in collaboration with @BlokeontheRange
The basic rules are:
- 10 shots on target for score (at least 50 yards or further)
- no mulligans, no do-overs, no fliers...
- max rifle weight: 4.76 kg (10.5 lb)
- lead sleds are not allowed
Check out Bloke's original video where you can find complete rules in detail:
• Enter The 1 MOA All Da...
The idea of this challenge is to show keyboard kommandos that 1 MOA is not that common and not that easy to make. First point is that 3 rounds are absolutely not statistically relevant and resemble more luck than anything else. 5 shots are better but not really indicative of the accuracy of a particular rifle or ammunition. I have gotten really good 5 shot groupings with rifle that i arent consistent. Sometimes you can get lucky.
But 10 rounds grouping level the playing field - you can't cheat it, you can't get lucky with all 10 shots and if the rifle/ammo isn'0t capable of 1 MOA, you won't be able to do it.
Yes, a lot of people don't have the skill to do it but you would be surprised to learn that also a lot of most common rifles on the market today can't do it. A lot of them require at least handloaded ammo and a bunch of modifications.
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This challenge is easy, I just ignore the 8 fliers.
😂
Broken in half scope that is epoxy-ed together, UTG bipod, Ziga is a true Slav
i'm amazed that scope still works... also UTG bipods are legit!
@@PolenarTactical LOL, I have a utg bipod too. I've had it for seriously like 10 years and it was definitely bought as an accessory for an airsoft mk12 spr. I still use that bipod on real guns all the time. Works great.
Yeah, this cracked me up as well - usually You hear "scope mount from where? Pfff....", "oh, this glass is from China? Forget it...", "Did You torque it perfectly, and levelled with 3 separate systems, chanting to the glory of the Machine God" etc.
Then comes Ziga with his build and... somehow it works.
@@Lemieszi did use my retard strength to tighten it on, so even if it wasnt alligned before, now it is 😆
After this scope worked, i didnt find a good reason to change it and honestly i even forgot that it was once broken... until i looked through it and spotted the blemish 😅
@@PolenarTacticalI'm an optomechanical engineer. This is ridiculous.
Niiiiiiice!!!!!! Excellent work! 🥳🥳🥳
Now to put it in my leeeetle spreadsheet with all the others 🤓
So you stole the idea and then claimed it for yourself??? Haha 😂 there’s an American who’s offered $100 bucks and then $1,000!! He finally paid the bounty to a kid Lol 😂 do your research dude!!
Thank you!
I was really surprised by the result because i honestly thought it cant be done with a semi-auto rifle unless it's some kind of precision build
@@joshmajor8662…so every time we host a marathon do you scream that they stole the idea from the Romans? C’mon dood, we’re just having fun here.
@@joshmajor8662 Slightly different rules on that one, I am assuming you are referring to the Backfire videos. And since it's different rules, it's certainly not "just stolen".
@@joshmajor8662 If you're talking about Jim from Backfire, Bloke talked about one of his MOA videos when discussing the grouping of his CZ 600 Trail. So, did the Backfire video at least contribute to this idea in some way? That would seem to be a reasonable thing to conclude. Is it accurate to say that Bloke "stole the idea and then claimed it for yourself"? No, as has already been pointed out, the rules are different. You could say that he's just continuing the same conversation. And even if he did just steal it, so what? Would that stop this from being worthwhile and interesting?
“Bought it used from a German guy” cracked me up 😂
I really did, almost 15 years ago
@@PolenarTacticalI totally believe you, but it just sounded funny to me. It is a very nice setup. I like it a lot!
A granpa used it
He used to be a electrician.
i don't get it :c
When I worked in gun stores, I was *sorely* tempted to make 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5 inch circles out of paper or cardboard just to carry around and slap on the counter when someone wanted to go on and on about MOA. "If (insert rifle model here) can't hold at least 1 MOA it's JUNK!" Slap 2" circle on the table and ask if they'd be unhappy with 10 rounds in that at 100yds and watch them shut up. Or sputter and sperg uncontrollably. Either way improves my day.
What prompted me to do this video were the comments under my CZ600 Trail review video. That rifle just isnt capable of shooting sub MOA with 10 rounds but it's sub 2 MOA
I think this is still very good but people thought it was shit. So many gun owners think their rifles can do much better without even full understanding what MOA means.
The other thing i also suspect is that many people dont understand that accuracy is a cone that relatively equally spreads out relative to distance from the shooter
the average shooter can't hold 1MOA without basically benchresting the rifle. I challenge guys to put 10 in a pie plate at 100 from standing. Any rifle will do that, most shooters can't.
@PolenarTactical Ziga selling cars:
No, it won't do the speed limit. It was never designed to do that.
If you want to do the speed limit, then you will need a custom hot rod.
I doubt most drivers have the skill to do 30 miles per hour anyway.
@@NelsonZAPTM if i use cars or the analogy - most EU cars have a speedometer up to 250km/h
Looks nice but most cars cant make it, even if you have 100 km of straight road and the best driver behind the wheel. This are most common rifles on the market.
Then you have some better ones, so lets say some cars that can actually do 250km/h but only with proper tyres and with a good driver, that wont crash before it reaches that speed.
And then you have high ends sports cars that will do it without a problem, some even with sub-optimal tyres and with a amateur driver, but those "cars" or rifles are not that common and usually specifically built for certain purpose, like PRS, F-class, ELR,...
@@PolenarTactical you can make me eat my words when I post my groups for Blokes challenge.
BTW, he bet me Ruger American wouldn't be moa.
Can you ask him what the wager is please?
Nothing like a little pressure to increase performance.
Important to remember, 10 shot groups are not the pinnacle of consistency either.
Hornady made tests, 100 shots worth of 3 shot groups, 100 shots of 5 shot, and so on to 100 shot group.
3 shot group sizes can be +/- 60-70% from mean. If mean is 0.5 MOA, groups can be from 0.15 MOA to 0.85 MOA.
5 shot +/- 40-50%
10 shot +/- 30-40%
20 shot +/- 20-25%
30 shot +/- 15-20%
50 shot +/- 10%
Everybody should watch their podcast about it. Search for "hornady ep. 50" and ep. 52.
Very good point but we get to higher cost and diminishing returns. For some people even 10 round groupings are "too expensive"
Bloke has more info about this but Swiss apparently test with 30, 50 and 100 round groupings to evaluate the consistency and accuracy of certain ammo or rifle/ammo combination
@@PolenarTactical Swiss people also have money 😂
@@PolenarTactical not to mention staying focused for 100 rounds and not messing up
@@earlturner6023i think those tests are all done from the rifle jig without the shooter
Statistically you'd want to shoot out a selelction of barrels. Youd look at the steel for a given population. Youd look at the processes. It would be a lot. Where it would be relevant to have a barrel spun up is to have a barrel timed and indicated for "straightness". That way you focus on vertical stringing rather than horizontal or worse. Manage as much unknown as possible.
I'll have you know I graduated top of my keyboard kommando class and have served with distinction in several couch-based conflicts!
I still have PTSD from the battle of 2014 whew...keeps me up at night(2014 you say..no body ever herd of it and you weren't there) haha
Finally someone is giving that UTG M-lok bipod the notoriety it deserves! I've been using the bipod for years, and it's the best "budget friendly" heavy-duty bipod on the market. I've used it on battle rifles, LMGs, and even on my .300 win mag "Mile rifle"!
Folks sometimes forget about the "fun" element of guns. Great reminder to ensure you're having fun on the range!
The worst thing about this challenge is how it challenges literally everything: The ammo, wind, rifle, shooter etc.
Everything has to be consistent
True, but if the rifle/ammo isn't capable, even the best shooter in the world can't do it.
Also my use of bipod and rear bag helped immensely
That’s the point
You can try it on a 50 m/yds range. Then, at least the wind influence is minimized.
Same thing with a shooter that doesn't have the capability but has decent gear, gear won't matter if the shooter doesn't do their part properly...
@@Chris1776_7 As shown by Ian McCollum's results with his precision rifle. He couldn't hit 1 MOA with that beast let alone with the lightweight rifle he choose to make an attempt with
I got 6 moa with my Mosin PU. Pretty proud of that 😎
I have seen some Mosins shoot 2 MOA five shot groupings. Not sure how that works but some rifles have really good barrels, probably the Finnish refurbished ones. Also they use shims between the stock and action and it somehow improves the accuracy.
I was blown away because i always thought about the Mosin as a "garbage rod" :D
@@PolenarTactical I still love my garbage rod, even if it doesn't shoot well. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder 😉
Six! So it's your fault that bird is extinct! I hope you're proud of yourself.
@@jic1 No, a world war and thousands of corrosive rounds did that. I treat it well.
@@a330flyguy2 I know that if you have to explain a joke it's already dead, but a moa is an extinct bird from New Zealand. They were like gigantic ostriches.
Thanks for the info. I'll have to give this a try.
You guys working on a Subaru sponsorship as well? Nice STI!
Great video as always brother!
Awesome shirt to lol
What's that shirt about? I'm getting mixed messages from it lol
I wish! We aren't lesbian enough 😂
@@PolenarTactical excellent response!! In USA It was nuns drove foresters 1st, then the bulldykes lol,
They definitely have taste in practically & performance. Maybe they both watched rally race? Questions of the universe? Cheers mate.
@@PolenarTactical That's requirement for Forester commercials. For STI you need to smoke vape and wear your cap backwards. For my NA wagon I need to find myself spot in a retirement home.
Thank you Ziga! I think this is quite an important conversation to have for a more realistic perception of rifle/shooter capabilities. BUT I have a small tweak for this challenge that i want to propose: dont measure the overall group size, but make a 1 MOA target and all 10 shots have to land inside (edge hits count) the target.
The point of small groups is to hit a small target and I get the impression people believe their "sub-MOA all day long" rifle will hit a sub-MOA target all day long. Essentially people will also be confronted with how well they zeroed their rifle and if they did it for a mean average group (with 10/20 or 30 shots) or for the smallest group that they shot.
In my experience there is always an excuse. "oh that's a flyer, lets not count it" "pulled the shot" "zeroed for different ammo"
In range practice this is one thing, but when it comes to hunting I really wish that people make sure they can hit a desired target, not focus on how close they got their 3 shots.
Regardless, thank you for putting this out there and inspiring us to gather more real data for ourselves
That's also quite challebging, especially if we extend the distance and wind becomes a bigger factor.
Regarding the zero, i had my Savage .308 spot on at 100 meters. I actually moved my zero a couple of clicks down so the bullet holes would not destroy my aiming point.
But Schmeisser - i just winged it. When i saw i was on target, i started with the grouping 😅
Ziga looking ready to deal out some mustache rides
I'll be his Goose
Gonna have some fun tonight. Savage is such a good base. I remember wondering what my buddy was doing spending a couple hundred for the rifle then 1500 for the glass but the results spoke for themselves. Good stuff Žiga.
Thanks!
Yeah, Savage is great, especially if you consider the price. Their earlier rifles were also accurate but usually the cheap plastic stocks made it much worse. My rifle was one of those
Fascinating rifle setup
If I had the money for a gun like that...
But I don't.
I must make do. Everything is so expensive in Ireland
Making do is what the life is about
I’m 1moa with only 3 rds…. With 10 I’m probably 5moa
the challenge took so long Ziga grew a mustache xD
Edit: good job not messing it up on those last shots
I was super nervous!
And with the Savage .308, the last two shots weren't me but probably the rifle or ammo.
My mistake was shooting too fast and at the end the barrel was quite hot...
Super cool, lovin' this challenge. Seems a lot of people have been duped by advertising...go figure.
🙄 i shoot 200 yard 1/2 MOA with my grandads 1911......
the reality is... dude you are so right! consistency is a key no happy 3 shots group
Our guy Zelensky with another clutch video. 👍☠️
Please send me money
I see what you did there...Not talking about the shooting....Nice flex indeed...
Not my car, it was just in the studio at the time 😅
Next we should do a 300m windy day challenge to teach people about reading the wind.
That shirt. 99.9% accuracy! 😂🤙🏼
I swear I remember noveske saying their most accurate barrel they ever made was a 10.5 inch ar-15 barrel. I guess the shorter barrel length gives you a "stiffer" barrel for a given barrel profile.
Exactly
We made a whole video about that where i cut a WWSD pencil barrel from 16" to 12.5" and that improved the accuracy
@@PolenarTactical have you guys ever used one of Criterion’s Core barrels? Funky profile that tries to give a decent compromise between weight and heat buildup.
3:45 vortex might still warranty that scope
Lol! Went through 5 Vortex Razor RDS. Won't touch Vortex with someone else's dick.
@@SmolKTN Vortex makes really good scopes but absolutely terrible reddots 😆
@@PolenarTactical agreed. Should also check out Vector Optics for a PRS budget solution. Used their Continental series, very impressive for the money.
@@PolenarTacticalbut they are known for "no questions asked lifetime warranty" i personally have seen demolished vortex scopes that had been accepted on warranty and replaced with new ones.
I just did a 1MOA Group with 8 shots at 600m.
I was a bit surprised myself when BallisticX showed me the results 😅
The mustache is for some retro filming from the 80' ? ❤
A few weeks ago I went to the range to sight in 2 optics on 1 rifle. The rifle was a Criterion 14.5 barrel with a headspaced BCM bolt. Leupold 1-6 with an Aimpoint Micro offset at 45°. The LPVO shot a 1.2" group all day with 77gr OTM. Shooting the offset Aimpoint....I shoot 2 5 round groups (all shots at 100 meters) at a 1/2 MOA. To this day I cant explain it. Blew my mind. So yeah I can understand the 'mind blown with the results' head scratcher.
AR rifles are probably the most accurate semi-auto platform. They just had so much evolution and development done, that no other new design can match it.
Also the DI system creates the least amount of disturbance to a free floated barrel
Done sub MOA 5 round groups with my light weight hunter 300 Win Mag which has an amazing hammer forged barrel etc. but 10 round groups. This is not an easy challenge but I want to give it a try.
It's far from easy
One thing i noticed on my Savage .308 is that i probably got a shift from heating up the barrel
I still don't really know what MOA means, could you explain it in a video perhaps ? Because I've heard the term being thrown around a lot
Minute of angle, so basically 1/60 degree, the deviation it corresponds to at 100 yard is roughly 1 inch
Think of minute of angle as a cone of where a bullet will hit at a givem distance. If your rifle is one minute of angle it will hit within an inch at 100yards going out to say 500 yards it should hit within that same cone but now within 5inches
In the most simple of terms, 1 inch @100 yards, 2 inch @200 yards and so on!
I like the fact that you asked because there's a lot of people don't quite understand it but use it anyways to brag about accuracy.
In short, MOA means minute of angle. So we have degrees - a circle has 360 degrees and every degree has 60 minutes of angle (MOA) = a complete circle has 21.600 MOA
So MOA is not a measurement of length but a measurement of angle.
Why we like to use it is because 1 MOA at 100 yards is approximately 1", 2 MOA at 100 yards is approximately 2" and so on.
And since this is a measurement of angle, 1 MOA is 1 MOA, regardless of distance.
It just means that 1 MOA grouping at 50 yards will be 1/2 of an inch (because you half the distance), it will be 1" at 100 yards, 2" at 200 yards, 3" at 300 yards and so on.
So if a rifle can shoot at certain accuracy, let'0s say 2 MOA, you can immediately know what kind of accuracy to expect of it from any distance.
Any yes, we are also making a video about this trying to explain it in simple terms
Tried,
failed on 55gr
found HPBT 69gr - will check
still looking for 77gr to buy.
What rifle? Barrel twist?
@@PolenarTactical 16" 1:8
With 55 i was happy, 8 shots ~1,2 moa and 2 flyers 2MOA+
@@danieldz7906 i feel like 55gn is the worst for accuracy - usually its the cheapest mass produced ammo and also lighter bullets dont do well in faster twist barrels
@@PolenarTactical
Depends on the rifle and barrel length. At 20'' 1:9 I have best results with 53gr.
@@PolenarTactical have ever tried Geco Target 55gr in your AR? I have a 16,75 inch Schmeisser, the gun shoots very thight groups with this ammo, for an AR...
I don’t think my 16 inch faxon pencil barrel will shoot a 10 shot 1 MOA group but only one way to find out haha. I do think my 12.5 inch Rosco K9 barrel will perform very well though. Great video as always
My WWSD pencil barrel was around 1.5 MOA until i shortened it to 12"
Now the best grouping was at 1.3 MOA with 10 rounds.
What i also noticed with mine is that it groups better when it's hot. I always got better groupings after 20-30 rounds with a hot barrel. I think this is because when the barrel is cold and starts to heat up that is the time where the majority of stringing and termal shift happens.
Once the barrel is hot enough, it stays consistent.
I have no idea if this is something all thin barrels do or not. This is also technically against the rules of this challenge, but what i would do in your place is set up a target with 3 aiminng points and then start with 20 rounds of cheaper ammo, shoot it relatively fast and do groups. Then without letting the barrel cool, you load 10 precision rounds and take your time to shoot the last grouping.
The other way would be to wait very long between shots so barrel can cool down.
Either way we would love to se your submissions with both rifles 🙂
@@PolenarTactical that's very interesting. I'll definitely keep that in mind about heating up the barrel. Also just running a primary arms 1x micro prism on the 16 inch pencil barrel to keep the rifle very lightweight so no magnification. Thank you for the in depth educational response. Love the content you guys produce
Nice video, I have a question here.. you are using S&B 69gr .223 ammo.. have you ever experienced pierced primers with this ammo? With My Remington 700 Varmint SF i get pierced primers with this ammo.. my friend’s tikka T3 and Ruger American experience the same issue..
I had the same problem of pierced primers shooting S&B 223 55gr FMJ with my Howa 1500 mini action recently. First time it happend with S&B ammo, normally have no problems.
Never, not even any signs of overpressure
Could be the wrong combination of parts, rifle and ammo
I experienced blow out primers with PPU ammo in FAL but it worked fine in other rifles
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With glass like that why worry about mirage lol
The glass doesnt look that bad for most magnification ranges
Alsothe issue with mirage is that it creates refraction and similar effect as if you would look at fish in the water - you see it at a different spot than it really is
I have to have that shirt!!!
I second this!
Pick a piece. Stick with it and make it part of you. Use it everyday and don’t use anything else everyday and I bet you’ll master it🐸🍺🔪🔥
True, but if the piece cant do 1 MOA, even the best shooter wont able to make it.
But i agree with you, it's much better to be very profecient with what you got, even if its a 4 MOA gun
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I see you showing off that Subaru WRX in the background. That's my allt time favorite Japanese car. I wonder if my SCAR can do it. I'm gonna try it next time I am at the range. I've had some great groups in the past. But who knows, I'm not a sniper. Lol
I talked with Calvin from Firepower United, he thinks that SCAR 16 can probably do it with the right ammo.
Either way i would love to see the result!
Is pillar bedding bolt actions and glass bedding the recoil lug a thing in Europe? It's common accurizing for hunting rifles in the US. Very cheap, and effective.
I imagine there are tons of US entries with DD or Geissele entries. Berger otms, mk262 clones, eld-m is not hard to buy off the shelf. Trick is find a suppressor that helps tighten up groups on the shorter setups.
It was a thing for sport/precision shooters but now most modern European rifles have high quality stocks and people dont bother.
Personally i like to thinker and glass-bedding can make a big difference for some guns if you do it right.
At the moment we don't have anyone trying it with a DD or Geissele but there's a guy that has done it with a Savage AR10 in .308
No one: ...
Absolutely no one: ...
Slovenia: "We have Donut Operator at home."
I've tried I can't. Lol I don't have the attention span
Well..I made 2 attempts,and right after the other..1.21moa was my best..
I may need to invest a rear bag. I wasnt able to do Moa All day.
Still got 1 more entry to give it a shot.
What rifle setup?
1.2 MOA is still really good
And yes, rear bag makes a big difference. I dont think i would be able to do it without it
Three round group is what you would like to think you and your rifle can do, 5 rounds is more like it.
10 rounds, many people will pull the last couple off, like you did.
The thing is that i didn't. Those weren't fliers, my shots were perfect.
I suspect it's because of thermal change in the barrel - i didn't wait long enough between shots and it got quite hot.
When i do accuracy testing i also shoot a lot from a very solid lead sled and the "fliers" are just part of the overall accuracy of rifle/ammo. Could be variation in velocity or some other factor but i have seen rifles group nicely from 4-6 rounds and then widen the group. It could just be normal statistical distribution but it just shows itself like that because humans are wired to see patterns in things.
Long story short, 5 round groupings can still be a bit deceiving because if you shoot a couple of them, there will be quite a lot of variation. For example i was able to produce two 5 shot groupings with my CZ600 Trail that were under 1 MOA but was never able to make it even close with 10 rounds.
But yes, 10 rounds also bring out the skill of the shooter - for this challenge i was most afraid that i will mess up, not the rifle
@drtech-pw2cu that's your primeval monkey brain which is preprogrammed to see patterns where none exist - if you see a 5 shot group with 3 together then 2 off in different directions you're preprogrammed to say "look! those 3 are the group and the others are fliers!" And it takes some deeper understanding of the statistics involved to learn that this is not necessarily the case (have a look at "statistical clustering", that's in a similar vein): our brains are not adapted to see randomness. It's an adaptation from millions of years ago, where seeing a false positive in in a pattern isn't likely to do much other than give you a bit of anxiety, whereas a false negative in a pattern will get you eaten by a sabre toothed tiger or stung to death by killer hornets. Those last 2 shots were simply part of the overall group, but your monkey brain really, really wants to see them as out of it.
I think MAYBE I could do it with two of my guns, but one is way over the weight limit, and the other is WAAAAYYYYYYYYYY over the weight limit.🤣
Doesnt matter, have some fun and try it out. We're accepting all submissions to get better data for next time 😂🙂
I dont think I could do it with any rifle i own. My most accurate is CZ 527 in 763x39, can usually get three rounds touching with underwood controlled chaos 123g from a bag, but like u said probably mostly luck. Ive never really shot more than 3 at time because theyre $2.50 per round! But yeah lots of internet snipers out there who can do it all day everyday apparently...
Take that, Bloke on the Range.
Subaru Impreza STI there ❤❤❤ . Is it yours Žiga? Show us more of it! 😊
Unfoetunately no, it was just at the studio at the time of filming
Nice video.
I want that shirt!
What's going on with the mustache?
Thanks
That was the look for Lynx Britality, its gone now 😅
god damn lol flexing hard with that 555 sti in the background
I see a Subaru, I like the video.
shooting 10 shot groups without wind flags? Even at 100 yards it matters, 0.25-0.5" moa is quite possible wind deflection between two extremes.
You probably had wind change..
shooting for small groups is pointless without flags, trust me and trust everyone doing any kind of bench rest shooting.
When i first read your comment my first reaction was "bullshit", probably because i learned in the military to just ignore wind at 100 meters.
Lol, i get the irony 😆
I checked in Hornady and you are absolutely correct, .223 and .308 will have enough drift even with 5mph wind at 90 degrees to make a difference, especially with 10 round grouping.
But what worked for me is that there was no wind at that range, especially no gusts and the conditions didnt really change between shots.
I honestly think my .308 started to spread out because of heating up the barrel. I noticed similar results when i did some testing in summer and shot multiple 5 shot groupings back to back
I've only shot a sub 1moa (0.75 moa) once at 100 yards (3 shot), it was with a K-31 with PPU 175gr sp, I will chuck it up to luck, because most folks are lucky to shoot a 3moa group off the shoulder!!
My Tikka CTR with a Nikon Monarch 24x zoom scope can hit a 1" bullseye every time at 100 yards. It got boring after about 10 shots. It's a good rifle. A little heavy tho. Of course it was bench rested. I couldn't do that off hand.
Do you have the video? We would love to get your submission
@PolenarTactical I don't have a video. If the range was closer to my house I could go more often.
SCHMEISSER! As Ziga says it!
I want to try this even though I know I’ve never gotten 1 moa from more than 5 rounds with my Bren 2 .556. I’ll give it a go with my Ruger bolt gun just for kicks. Great thing about gun challenges is it’s still a ton of fun when you fail at it.
I can already tell you that Bren 2 can't do it. I tried it with different kind of ammo and can't get under 2 MOA with 10 rounds.
That's not bad but it seems most AR15 can shoot better. Now i don't know if there's something in the design or what but with my limited experience i saw worse accuracy from short or long piston systems than DI
I would still love to see your try with Bren 2.
My worst results were with cheap 55gn ammo, maybe try something a bit heavier and premium :)
I really think you are correct about it being DI versus piston. Just my opinion but less moving before the bullet has left the barrel would make sense. Really enjoy your videos man.
@@jb8086 Thanks!
I just got a Sig550 and im eager to test it for accuracy. Swiss are known for very precise firearms and it will be interesting to see how it does
I've got an old Steyr SSG 69, bought it years ago, never shot it much, but it weighs in naked at 4kg, with the Kahles and the Harris bipod it might just scrape in under.
Needless to say, the biggest hindrance for a good result, is me. My trigger time is laughable, I go hunting like 2x a year, and perhaps to the range also 2x.
So I suck, but the rifle should be good for it.
😂
Even if the rifle is over weight, you should do it. It's fun, good training and also an interesting thing to see.
When i was younger SSG69 were the shit. Best "sniper" rifles you could get. Would love to see how they group
My Red Ryder BB gun can shoot 1 MOA all day at 1km with Copperhead BBs.
that's the same reason why machinist want their lathe and milling machine heavy and bulky with couple hundred pounds of cast iron frame. rigidity cancel off resonates and shaking. yes, a rifle is still a machine. the more rigidity it gets, the sharper the performance. if you keep adding meaningful weight to it. you will be surprised how an ordinary gun can do.
however, it is not a practical idea.
you lose mobility, the magic rifle will be at least 60~70 pound in weight. who wants to carry such a beast?
reasonable accuracy with reasonable weight configuration should be the right answer.
am i the first real comment? i mean... beep bob, bot shit... boobs... inspiration... blah... and no, i cant do a 1moa 10 shot group, definetly not repeatedly
Legit first comment
I don't understand how YT can't nuke those bots, and almost all of them have some kind of nude profile pic and suspicious links in profile...
I thought I got lucky to be first, but Polenar says it was you, so all I have to say is that next time you're not getting so lucky >:(
hahaha, bots bots bots, "true american"... from baltic country :)
@@Schrodingers_kid don't worry, it was just a coincidence
Love your videos brother, wish they were a bit longer sometimes.. :)
Thanks
Sadly with the push of shorts and restricting gun content, our normal videos are getting less and less views so investing a lot of time doesn't pay of.
But you are in luck, a couple of times a year we go all in and make a really long video. This time it will be from Lynx Brutality that just happened a week a go. An the other one will be a scope factory tour :)
@@PolenarTacticalI think the shorter length is refreshing. The standard from every channel these days seems to be 30 minutes and I just don’t have enough interest or time to watch them lately. Also don’t feel bad for just reusing some footage to make shorts for the algo. It’s all a hustle and people gotta play the game. We understand.
@@Almost_Made_It Thanks for the feedback!
Sometimes it's really disheartening to see a video make a fraction of the views that we got in the past despite investing much more time and money into it
@@PolenarTactical Since you are the weird crew of your own videos, doing the rare long video is cool. You all can't be C&Rsenal with its coverage of history and historical figures with outrageous backstories like Samuel Colt or f'd over stories like Paul Mauser
@@PolenarTactical you should do some Slovenian gun culture focused videos too. I think you’ve got a lot of potential content just by the fact that you’re a gun channel in a foreign country that, let’s be honest, 99% of us think is Slovakia lol. I think people would be interested in learning a bit about you guys over there.
Reeeeeeeeeeeeee’ar bag comments incoming in 3,2,1 they won’t shut up about it.
Nice work man!
Thanks
Hobestly i dont think i would be able to make it without the rear bag
@@PolenarTactical calling a rear bag fuddly was silly imho. But hey I’m still salty that my basic 700 is over weight ;)
Nice
That shirt
Challenge isn’t easy at all. I saw the original video and attempted this past weekend with some buddies. Of the 6 of us only two of us made it close or was able to complete the challenge. My friend with a gap mk13 mod 1 clone shot a .86 moa ten shot group using hornady 195 gr ELD-M 300 win mag. My Sako TRG 338 lapua with 250 gr scenar otm shot a 1.12. Other rifles in attendance were a q fix in 308, sig cross in 6.5, a Remington 700 in a magpul chassis and one of the Springfield bolt guns. Most everything else was 1.2-2.0 moa. I want to try to redo it again with 300 gr rounds as my rifle tends to prefer them to the 250gr.
Definitely WAS NOT his idea!!! Haha 😂 a quick search would show ya that 🤷♂️ EDIT-Backfire did this 3 years ago!! 😉😘👍😂
You glued your scope back together!!?
Yes, with two part metal epoxi 😆
@@PolenarTactical you're a goon
A day after watching the video...... I'm back just to read the comments!
Ziga with an strange moustache....saying something about a german guy.....just saying🤣
Its a pst gen 1 btw
you are correct
4:51
You know damn well that's the primary reason 🤣🤣
That is absolutely true 😁
6:03 bless you.
Here's a 10rd group with my 11" HK MR223 A3 at 300 meters on an A100 target with cheap 55grain ammo and a Micro T2 without magnification. 100 points is the best shot you can make. every point equals 0.5cm. so 98 points means you're 1cm off the center.
with the first 4 rounds I tried to get to the center with my hold and the other 6 built a group of 3-5cm:
ruclips.net/video/ryI8VdIFbUg/видео.html
I assume the MR223 is absolutely capable to shoot 1 moa with quality ammo but it's the shooter who doesn't shoot accurate enough (I'm no exception in this regard).
I have shot with a couple of MR223 and i didn't get a feeling that those were any more accurate than normal ARs, maybe even less because of the short stroke piston. I havent actually tried them with proper quality ammo so it's possible.
You should do the challenge, im interested to see the result
Holy crap, well done! That Savage is super sexy, the heat-ribbon definitely does make it look exotic.
Thanks
The ammount of time i shoot this rifle, i never really had big issues with miragge, its mostly there for aesthetics 😅
STI wing best use... Food counter.
Might give it try with my AR next time, if not to show its always a good practice
Surprised there is not a Mimtac trigger in the Schmeisser, do feel making good follow up shots. And for taking slower shots in general its really easy with how that trigger breaks, i just love it.
Cant wait for the AK version to come out finally, its the only upgrade i have left on my AK 😄
My CZ457 in .22lr does less than 1 moa mostly, with bipod and a bag depending on ammo. mostly im the problem :>
I believe you , nice video you motivated me I wil try with almost all my guns and see you next year (my wife says I have too much).
man have you ever used PCPs use them and can easyly achive moa,and dont get pissed by Pubg or call of duty snipers they dont worth it
I purchased a Savage 10FP many years ago.
That rifle WAS extremely accurate. Sadly I set the bar very high after that rifle and had unrealistic expectations about everything I purchased thereafter.
Really good rifles, especially for the price!
I gave it a try
Love the fact that you accomplished this with a Savage 110. Mine successfully managed it too (video soon). Well done.
Jerry in the green Tacoma🫡🇺🇸
Pff i can reach 1 MoA by throwing my papuce jebote. Mama tought me
getting 1" groups at 300 with my Taurus G2C
I'd like to try this with my 16" but i think the stainless heavy barrel and A2 stock puts it over the weight limit. Its possible i could strip a pound or more off though, have a hollow A1 stock for it. We will see.
Dont worry about the weight limit, we're accepting all submissions. Have fun, try it out.
Most of rifles that were able to do it were over the weight limit
We're gathering more info and we will probably make a revised challenge next year
Get a Sako. No need for any of the extras you added and you will get under 1 MOA all day at 100m.
That Glass Was Epic!… It Just Works!. 😂…Super RAD🤙🏻.
I often forget that the scope was broke until i look through it
Eventually i will change it out but i really dont have a reason to do it right now - also the desert paint job matches the chassis :D
Plz plz plz never hacksaw a barrel like that again. Trauma
Short barrels are stiffer.
I agree
We made a video of shortening the WWSD pencil barrel and it improved the accuracy
Bench resters know that for quite some time.
"That's what She said." ( hate being That guy ) ☆
"So i did all this stuff to my rifle to make it more accurate, added all this cool stuff to it....decided to put a broken scope on it...sub moa." He's trolling, right?
no
@@PolenarTactical ok. I just don't understand why you'd go to all that effort just to slap a piece of broken equipment on top. But the trolling bit, I meant ....most of you can't shoot sub moa. Proceeds to shoot sub moa with a broken scope. Which is exactly what you did.
@badprogramming2486 when i put this rifle together i didnt have enough money for a proper scope. I got this one for free and initially wanted to use it for a video (shooting through a scope myth)
But after i managed to glue it together i noticed that it holds zero, so i paninted it and put it on this rifle as a placeholder... well, i did a lot of shooting with it, even a precision rifle course in CZ and got hits at 1 kilometer in Slovenia.
Idk, it just happened.
Now i have 3 scopes that are much better quality than this one but i never bother to change it.
It just always worked 😅
What handguard is on your Schmeisser? I am looking for a replacement for the keymod on mine
UTG Pro SD handguard - i love the quality and option to mount a suppressor under it
Woah!
Good points on shooting 10 shot groups. A good rifle will shoot sub moa for 10 shots. Most of my rifles will do it, and have proven it. Shoot 2 10 shot groups side by side on a single piece of paper, average those 2 groups, and see how you do. Even some of my "hunting" rifles will shoot that well. 3 shot groups don't tell you shit, and 5 shots are about the same. Shoot 10 to "confirm" your rifle and load, and get back to me.. As for your AR's. All of mine shoot sub moa 10 shot groups.. I also have an AR10 6.5 that shoots .8 moa for 10 shots. Not a real hard feat, yet everyone swears they have rifles that do it "all day long". Ask them to prove it, and you hear crickets chirping..
Yeah, we're gonna need at least one video to believe you
Aero precision 18 inch stainless 55 grain fiochi. One hole. No joke. Haven’t shot in 2 years. Yes it happened. First time. Second time was .50 and it weighs 8.5 pounds with 4-16 Sig scope
Show us the video, everyone is eager to see that
If I had 2 weeks vacation and around 2kUSD, would Slovenia be a cool place to take a vacation? Asking for a friend. :) Ya'll drive on the right? Right?
Yes, it actually amazing place for vacation. A very small country with amazing and diverse nature. We are also super close to Venice and Croatia - 3 hour drive max
I highly recommend it
whose Subaru is that? looks awesome :)
from New Limits racing team
@@PolenarTactical i thought you will say its yours :) would be a perfect family car if its a 4 door :D