😳...That's how it starts. First you grow an beard, then you move to an snowy part of the country. Suddenly you buy an Subaru and then,... they've got you for life. 😂👍
I had my oil changed at my Subaru dealership two weeks ago and I checked my oil three days ago. I discovered oil pooled around the filter housing about 1/8” deep. I drove to the dealership and they said a lady came in yesterday with the same problem. They said that Subaru redesigned the filter and that this is a nation wide problem but corporate hasn’t given them any instructions on how to fix it. They changed the filter and said it was fixed. I drove home, 9 miles, and checked the oil and there is a slight amount of oil around the filter. The oil filter is accessible by opening the hood. 2018 Forester with 30380 miles on it. I called corporate and they assigned me a rep and case number. He said he wasn’t aware of my specific issue but would have to do some research and make some calls and get back to me. Anyway, I took a paper towel and cleaned all the oil from around the filter, let it set a few days and checked today. Car hasn’t ran and no oil. I started it and let it warm up then applied gas to run at 2500 rpm for 5-10 seconds. A slight amount of oil appears at the low side of the filter. I checked the filter at it is a 15208AA20A from Indonesia. I guess I will have to wait for the rep to call.
Same here. I use the 57055 filter on my Ascent and have used Wix filters on all the Subies that I've owned in the past. In case anyone isn't aware, the Napa Gold filter is made by Wix.
But do you feel the new style is better than anything on the shelf at my local auto parts store? Wix is still good, right? (And by default, the Walmart by Wix).
Up here in the Glorious People's Republic of Canuckistan, WIX are now made by Mann Filters. I still use them, but I have no idea if this was a step up or a step back.
Now this video explains why I rec'd a blank blue oil filter in June. Thanks for the heads up and comparison. Find your videos informative and valuable.
+1 to that. Been running M1-110 and 108. Just dont know if its running it at the OEM pressure spec or anything else but it has worked great for me. I still change it out every oil change.
Likewise. The Mobil1 M1-110 I've used exclusively! Just before and after a 9500 km trip in July. Works just fine and no oil comsumption on the entire trip.
Thanks for the info Mr Subaru! I havent had problems with the no name blue filters but it is nice to know that a better filter will soon be available for us North America Subie owners.
I just run the Mobil 1 m1-110a on my three Subies. They are easy to find at any AutoZone or Walmart. They are good quality filters and only put 3-5k miles on them anyway.
I used a wide variety of filters on my '96 Pathfinder. Factory, A/C, Several Fram, Mobile-1, etc. I used Mobile-1 oil first 100,000 miles, then Synthetic Blend after that. Zero Oil Consumption, even after 200,000 miles. I think the important part is that I CHANGED the oil EVERY 5,000 miles.
Nice to see they are being made to similar specifications even if there are small differences. The Indonesian filter ADBV may be a bit thinner, but the reinforcing ribs will mean similar overall strength I'd imagine, and the larger size may mean more flow potential. The difference in filtration media area is likely very small, and it's definitely still a quality and strong canister. Bypass valve looks nice as well and the coil spring is actually a higher quality item to my mind. Overall, without some insane levels of testing, I'd say use without worry! It's definitely made like other quality filters we consider top tier.
Those differences are a bit concerning though. Id rather pay the scalpers 25 bucks for a guaranteed Made in Japan filter than to risk the Indonesian ones for 12 bucks.
@@VotEtoPizdets Not sure why. They are effectively identical. The Indonesian filter has what, 10% less filter media at most? A stronger spiral core with larger holes. Keep in mind the area of a circle is exponential with diameter and the filter media is far more restrictive than those holes. It has a potentially better flowing ADBV that will definitely still function. It has a coil spring for retention instead of a leaf spring which is generally a more premium feature. Overall it looks like just as good a filter as the Japanese with what looks like slightly more material on the filter metal end caps as well. Very stout construction. The only issue would be if the filtration media is not as high quality, but it at least looks similar if not identical. Could be from the same supplier. For anyone who does regular oil changes, this is a premium filter far better than most of the cheap filters at parts stores and far better than the Subaru blue filters. People don't need to stress over this one.
@@802Garage I was having the same thoughts exactly. If anything, the pleats in the Indonesian filter looked more uniform, which could lead to more consistent filtering. On top of that, having a slightly more compliant drain back gasket could make it seal better.
@@Zephyr8086 Indeed. From what we can see in this video, absolutely no reservations about the Indonesian filter. Is it a bummer it doesn't say Japan on it? Sure. Indonesians need work too. ;)
The filter made in Indonesia has many of the same characteristics of a Sakura oil filter that @WhipCityWrencher recently reviewed (Honda Oil Filter 15400-PLM-A02 vs. Sakura Oil Filter C-1821 Oil Filter Cut Open Comparison) including the coil spring with the cup it sits in and the spacing of the four rivets that attach the bypass valve.
Thanks for the comparison. I use only Amsoil products but even they recommend WIX if they can't get you their own. Food for thought. My 2023 Impreza came with 3 free oil changes so I'll request the black filter when due.
Will be really interesting to see what the aa100 ends up being - I would think if they changed designs they'd change the p/n the way they did for the bigger filter...
Napa gold on my 2018 Outback. No issues for far going on 89,000 miles. Switched to Napa gold around 66,000 miles. Runs great! Oil changes every 6,000 miles.
Thanks for the video! It's interesting to see that the construction of the Indonesian Tokyo Roki is quite different. By comparison, the Thai Mahle Honda filters and Japanese Mahle Honda filters are pretty much identical. I guess Tokyo Roki purchased quite different types of manufacturing machines for the Indonesian factory.
It's about time. I have been using the Japanese filters (special ordered) instead of those blue filters for years now. The Indonesian filter is slightly different, but also appears to be close to the quality of the original Japanese filter. I'm glad to see Subaru has finally seen the light.
Subaru uses the same filter as Honda and Fram/Honeywell has already been making the Honda filters in blue so all they had to do was paint Subaru on them instead of Honda.
Local Subaru dealership just got in a bunch of the Tokyo Roki filters that are marked with Made in Japan, clearly the real thing. Thankfully I watched this video earlier on, because once I realized what they had in stock, I bought 14 of them. They actually cost me less than the acdelco replacement filter, and it's still from the dealership. For clarification, these mine are the ones ending in AA100.
I just bought the Subaru branded oil filter from Walmart (part# 15208AA15A) and it comes in a completely different packaging than shown. It is the black filter stamped with "Made in Indonesia", has the "M" stamped on the top plate and cost $10.97 before tax.
When my 2024 BRZ comes in I already confirmed with my dealer/service center; that I can supply the oil and filter for my oil changes. I am going with Pennzoil Ultra Platinum and Wix oil filters (which have been proven through testing to be amongst the best)
I have a hookup at my local Toyota dealer. I been using FRS filter for my FA20 WRX and Forester and now my XV Crosstrek. I havent had any issues at all.
I'm curious to know if you have heard of the Oil Pressure retention adapter made by Baxter Performance, and what you think of it. I was recommended to get this by my tuner for the longevity of my Cam Chain Tensioner. I have an FA20 DIT.
I can't picture Tokyo roki having built a factory in Indonesia, but am leaning towards they might be made by Sakura filters. They do quite a few aftermarket brands here in Australia and their own brand. I've used 100s of them and never had an issue and have cut a few open in the past for inspection.
Here in Sydney, Australia at my local Subaru service centre when I get the oil filter , it’s always been black over the years. Never seen the blue filters here 👍
I believe most of the blue filters were made in Mexico, so it would make sense you weren't getting them there. Not that they couldn't have used a different factory.
I was using aftermarket parts on my Crosstrek and forgot this was an issue and still going on! Those new filters look pretty good. Definitely better than anything a quick lube place would install.
I had a napa gold filter leak on my outback. The top was cut about 3-4 degrees from square. Napa gave me a new filter and an extra quart of oil for the trouble. Now I check them for square before installing.
good to know! (and they're suposedly made by Wix, so ... seems like a LOT of quality issues and supply chain issues these days still now. Autoline says that the supply chain has permanent damage possibly!
Ive always used Fram Force or Titanium part no ending in 7317. Only bacause 1) its included in an oil change bundle every month at Advance Auto and 2 my brothers Honda and my dads Acura use the same filter as well. Easy to remember.
Not a bad surface layer visual difference. I would have done some proper testing with poor quality oil and so on to get the disagreement between people out of the way. I've never noticed a difference with these oil filters, I strongly feel if a brand had wanted the best for their cars no matter what they would have just have just given the same design overall or within the same margin (not enough to make any difference) to their whole line up. I would have taken a look at the construction of the filter media, the amount of pleats, filtered some bad oil with some particles and testing things a little further. The titles only suggests hype in the theory of it all without any actual conclusion on the topic. I hope to see more testing on this from you.
Mr Subaru - How about a follow up on these new AA20A Indonesian filters? Have you installed any on customer’s vehicles? There are numerous reports from users and dealers about oil leaking around the base!
I just pickedup my Forester from a standard break repair today. Talking with them I ask if they are now useing the new black oil filter. She told me yes BUT they are having issues with them leaking between the base and the can now and then. "The tecks have learned to check them all now" Oct. 20 2023
interesting stuff - alot goes into your video presentation. thank you after seeing your old cut filter video and this one, i may stick with the fram ultra synthetic XG7317 I had seen it compared with wix and they seem to be the same. very much like your Japanese filters. Ive looked at cheaper fram filters and passed. {not so good} this Ultra one has been great in our little line of Subaru cars, only wix makes the size for the trucks here and oddly its a bit lower cost yet bigger & has the same internals. Ive seen a few other scientific comparisons {yeah I research a bit lol} the particles in the used oil samples are very similar between these I used to use subaru filters, but they proved to be sub par in past comparisons I had done [just for the fun of it] like other "studies" these are just opinions, its a good plan to keep an open mind as you check each theory. sub filters might sometimes [used to] be about the same cost, but the stealerships in a city nearby had their own idea of pricing, oops they were often way over others, So I started ordering. my fram ultras are not what a regular fram filter is.
Love your videos! You helped me feel more confident picking up a 24 Crosstrek Sport. The only thing I’m still worried about is the infotainment since the climate controls are baked into the screen. There was a class action suit on the older infotainment setups being slow, laggy, or glitchy and makes me reconsider the longevity and reliability of the infotainment. Is this something you consider a problem for someone who wants to use their cars long term? Is there anything we can do to maintain or prevent issues? You rock!!
Keep your hands clean before using the screen, don’t spray any harsh chemicals on the screen directly and keep it dry and clean at all times, use a sunshade in the hottest days of the year hope this helps
I have a 2024 Crosstrek Limited and I think the complaints about the infotainment system are overblown. I mastered the use of mine with little difficulty. I like it.
Bought a service pack 12 count from NAPA labelled with Wix number 21334 but made in Korea, there were also Hyundai/KIA part numbers on the can. Happens to fit both my 2004 Sonata 2.7 and 2012 Outback 3.6. First time I've ever seen a custom molded rubber seal. The backflow seal is orange silicone.
I have a 2023 Crosstrek; I had my first oil change August in Franklin, TN and the original black filter was replaced with a Subaru-marked blue. Second oil change a couple of weeks ago with a black Subaru filter in Decatur, GA. Seems like a lot of people are buying Subarus these days. I took a long road trip to view the eclipse and about half the cars I saw on the way to and back from Wildcat Bluff were Six-Stars.
Other than the generic blue filters leaking, we have seen no issues from any type. The generics looked to be a bad batch for a very short period of time. The parts dept had several cases to dispose of at one point recalled for defects. Unless you're in a high heat area or heavy duty use I wouldn't go crazy deciding. They all work.
I just got an oil change recently at a Subaru dealer in Massachusetts and when I looked under the hood it had the black filter. It's a 2023 Forester that was made in Japan so when it was new it had the black filter and it only had the blue one for a short period of time.
I just picked one of these new filters up from my local Subaru dealer last week for $9.58. I’m impressed with the overall quality compared to the the blue filters.
I'll stick with Purolator Boss PBL14615. I don't trust OE to not change suppliers not telling you, and screw you over to save a few cents. I suppose different brands could do the same, but I trust them a little bit more.
Thanks for the heads up. I look forward to more info on these new black filters. I'll keep pulling from my 160 stock for now. It'll be interesting to see if they keep shipping Foresters and other vehicles made in Japan with the 160s or the new Indonesian filter.
@@mattsbrute thanks for the update. I suppose that will only last for another year or two as they move all US Forester and Forester hybrid production to Lafayette, Indiana.
I had an issue with those blue filters. On my 13 Forester, I got the shortblock replaced, and when I picked it up, it had a random ticking at startup. After 3 trips to the dealer, and them even replacing the timing chain assembly and it still not going away, I had the thought it sounded like when you first start and the oil pressure hasn’t built up yet. I had the idea that maybe the oil was draining out of the filter when the engine was off. I bought a Wix and replaced it and immediately the ticking was gone. I have never had any issues with oil filters for my vehicle until they used a blue one at the dealer.
I have been using the BRZ oil filters in my 2.5L Crosstrek. They're readily available at all dealerships, Japanese made, have more surface area, twice the core openings and only $7 apiece.
Definitely happy to see that Subaru is giving the North American market a better filter now! I just bought more 160s, I use them for my 2022 Outback and my sister’s 2015 Crosstrek. I’ll wait to see if you test one of these on one of your cars, Mr. Subaru, then decide what way I’ll go for future filters! So far I’m still leaning toward the 160s but I’ll use the new NA market one in a pinch.
@@chawkinzI’ve bought them on eBay for several years now, always from the same seller, and I’ve never had a problem. I’ve always been sent genuine filters that have all the hallmarks of the real filters and packaging.
On my 2.5i I have mostly used Bosch 3300 filters. They are cheap and seem decent quality. Nice to know we can get Subaru filters that aren't fram but I have no issues the the Bosch ones.
Subaru and Mazda share many items. I just bought a 2021 Forester, 36,000 miles back from lease. Appears to be 100% A1 perfect. How many miles are you from Myrtle Beach, I saw your CVT service video I'd like to have that done. Have not asked my dealership yet if they would do it, I was impressed by your very thorough procedure.
Just cool to see a black filter (AA20A) to match the 130(BRZ) 170(VA/VB WRX, and 031 (H6). As a simple Subie lube tech, these are much better filters than the old blue ones. One caveat. Our Tokyo Roki filters are made in Indonesia.
you need to take out the filter media and actually calculate the area (square footage) to properly determine filtration effectiveness. in a real word scenario the bypass valve should never be used in the first place since you should be changing out the oil filter at regular OCIs that are well before the filter media became so clogged that the filter bypass valve would need to be used. Plus, thinner “flimsier” bypass valve means easier actuation of the valve in case of blockages.
I would suspect and certainly hope that the Indonesian filters and the Japanese ones are targeting the same specifications and performance, and ideally the same filter media. The construction would have been adjusted for local component availability as well as the machinery the plant has. Not knowing the whole story, the new filters could even be produced by a partner or subcontractor.
I was shocked ! I always go to the dealer for the bleu filter, I always thaught it was good. I guess I was worn! Thanks for making this video and explaining this to me!!! By the way, just picked up a 06 wrx wagon!
Interesting, I purchased an OE oil filter for my 08 OB yesterday from the local dealer and they gave me a US made blue filter. I wonder if they found an old case of them laying around since the last one they gave me was the unbranded blue filter. Also I am starting to think Japanese companies are outsourcing to Indonesia. I bought a few NGK plugs ( which have always been Japanese made) for my lawn equipment last season and they were all made in Indonesia.
All of the ASEAN countries have a free trade agreement (Thailand, Malaysia, Indonesia etc). There are huge taxes (100%) on cars that are fully imported from Japan, so local assembly is essential. Where Toyota and Honda have their factories (and respectively Denso factories or engine factories making parts) in Thailand, Subaru's assembly factory is in Malaysia with parts and testing from Indonesia.
Great video! Thanks for the comparison. I purchased some filters online and they have an interior similar to the Indonesian filters, but are marked Made in Japan on the exterior. The box lid was glued down with something that looks like Elmers glue. The exterior can has a silver collar, and not painted like the ones you show. Also, the filter pleats don't look as deep as the ones you show (less surface area). Would you say I have counterfeit product? Thanks for your help on this.
Totally appreciate your knowledge ive been watching your channel off & on. Not owning one. Recently I pickedup on 2006 imperza 2.5i luv the seating and start also drive, has ralley race vibe aka ken block others. Handles curves great. Question for my old Ej high miles is it Safe to use K&N or Mobil 1. As alternative to newer Oem you mentioned. I was about to go autozone or Walmart buy that Blue can of Death you mentioned. I think my Imperza has that blue can from Previous owner. Believe has to local ralley dirt events. More on that later when make a video.
Never had a problem getting Purolator filters for our Outbacks, Foresters and Crosstrek from years 2917 to 2023. My personal pick over any other brand filters.
Good oil good filters regular regimented oil changes = Good recipe :) … On a very small note construction of the new filter very similar to Mahle OC707 ; Here is to fun safe driving !
My favorite filter currently is the “MicroGard Select” from Oreilly’s Auto Parts. Very solid construction and quality materials! Part # MSL57055 for our Subarus $10.99
Yes I’ve seen a ton of oil filters dissected and this MicroGard Select is just awesome all around for the price! I’m not sure if it’s made by Wix. Others have said it’s made by Premium Guard 🤷🏻 All I know is it’s made in Vietnam and like the build quality, materials used, & price.
Everytime I see a video on oil filters I always reply this: I've been using for 10 years Mann Filters, with alot of trackdays and I've never had issues with the engine.
Interesting that they used Purolator. Purolator is all I've used for many years. I've done the same forensics across many brands, so my choice since has been Purolator followed by Wix.
I just bought 3 of them at my dealership in Sacramento. It was a buy three and get one free - came home with 4 of them. Be careful though as the filters are cheaper if you buy them on-line and then pick them up at the dealership. If you buy them at the dealership they may or may not give you the on-line price.
Just watched the whole video, and I don't even own a Subaru
Same 😂
Same
Definitely a sign to buy one
😳...That's how it starts. First you grow an beard, then you move to an snowy part of the country. Suddenly you buy an Subaru and then,... they've got you for life. 😂👍
Still gotta burn through the Mazda NR 31s you told me to buy !
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I had my oil changed at my Subaru dealership two weeks ago and I checked my oil three days ago. I discovered oil pooled around the filter housing about 1/8” deep. I drove to the dealership and they said a lady came in yesterday with the same problem. They said that Subaru redesigned the filter and that this is a nation wide problem but corporate hasn’t given them any instructions on how to fix it. They changed the filter and said it was fixed. I drove home, 9 miles, and checked the oil and there is a slight amount of oil around the filter. The oil filter is accessible by opening the hood. 2018 Forester with 30380 miles on it. I called corporate and they assigned me a rep and case number. He said he wasn’t aware of my specific issue but would have to do some research and make some calls and get back to me. Anyway, I took a paper towel and cleaned all the oil from around the filter, let it set a few days and checked today. Car hasn’t ran and no oil. I started it and let it warm up then applied gas to run at 2500 rpm for 5-10 seconds. A slight amount of oil appears at the low side of the filter. I checked the filter at it is a 15208AA20A from Indonesia. I guess I will have to wait for the rep to call.
Any updates?
@@bigweeweehaver waiting swell
@@georgeayres2310 Maybe you should just replace the filter with a Mobil 1 M-110. To hell with the factory units.
I am using 15208AA100 (made in Japan) last 10 years and I never lost a drop of oil. I never had to add an oil too.
@@valstan3268 whoa, whoa, whoa! please, you are not using the same filter for 10 years, no?
I’ve been using the Wix XP 57055 for years now. Great filter, OE pressure spec, awesome filters.
But made in Mexico now. I still use them though
I use the denso Japanese filter
Same here. I use the 57055 filter on my Ascent and have used Wix filters on all the Subies that I've owned in the past. In case anyone isn't aware, the Napa Gold filter is made by Wix.
But do you feel the new style is better than anything on the shelf at my local auto parts store? Wix is still good, right? (And by default, the Walmart by Wix).
Up here in the Glorious People's Republic of Canuckistan, WIX are now made by Mann Filters. I still use them, but I have no idea if this was a step up or a step back.
I stopped using the blue ones and switched to Purolator's Pure One until a few years ago when they developed the Boss line.
Now this video explains why I rec'd a blank blue oil filter in June. Thanks for the heads up and comparison. Find your videos informative and valuable.
I’ve been using Purolator filters since the ‘80s without a single issue. And will continue to use.
It seems the larger Purolator ONE PL14460 for the old EJ18/EJ22 and non spiral exhaust cars is getting scarce and it makes me sad.
Ive been using the Mobil1 M1-110 filter for years on my Subaru X2.5 for years and am extremely satisfied y with it. Great quality, a bit more pricey.
+1 to that. Been running M1-110 and 108. Just dont know if its running it at the OEM pressure spec or anything else but it has worked great for me. I still change it out every oil change.
Likewise. The Mobil1 M1-110 I've used exclusively! Just before and after a 9500 km trip in July. Works just fine and no oil comsumption on the entire trip.
I have to thank you Subaru owners for keeping the official rx8 filter in production. It makes sourcing them very easy when I change the oil in my rx8.
I still use the RX8 filters , even if they are a little pricey direct from Mazda.
Stop the cap 🧢
I was charged $26 for a unmarked filter from a dealership couple weeks ago. Always shop around.
Thanks for the info Mr Subaru! I havent had problems with the no name blue filters but it is nice to know that a better filter will soon be available for us North America Subie owners.
I just run the Mobil 1 m1-110a on my three Subies. They are easy to find at any AutoZone or Walmart. They are good quality filters and only put 3-5k miles on them anyway.
I use the same. I run with m1 oil and change once a year. I only put on less than 7,000 miles on my cars.
I used a wide variety of filters on my '96 Pathfinder.
Factory, A/C, Several Fram, Mobile-1, etc.
I used Mobile-1 oil first 100,000 miles, then Synthetic Blend after that.
Zero Oil Consumption, even after 200,000 miles.
I think the important part is that I CHANGED the oil EVERY 5,000 miles.
I order off Amazon and get the Black ones every time.
Same!
Yep and just looked at mine, it’s a true Japan filter too.
Think ill stick with the mazda filter every 2,500mi still for my modifed EJ. E85 dirties up oil quick
I came here to say this exact thing. Though I don't run E85 and change it out about 3.5-4k.
Nice to see they are being made to similar specifications even if there are small differences. The Indonesian filter ADBV may be a bit thinner, but the reinforcing ribs will mean similar overall strength I'd imagine, and the larger size may mean more flow potential. The difference in filtration media area is likely very small, and it's definitely still a quality and strong canister. Bypass valve looks nice as well and the coil spring is actually a higher quality item to my mind. Overall, without some insane levels of testing, I'd say use without worry! It's definitely made like other quality filters we consider top tier.
Those differences are a bit concerning though. Id rather pay the scalpers 25 bucks for a guaranteed Made in Japan filter than to risk the Indonesian ones for 12 bucks.
@@VotEtoPizdets Not sure why. They are effectively identical. The Indonesian filter has what, 10% less filter media at most? A stronger spiral core with larger holes. Keep in mind the area of a circle is exponential with diameter and the filter media is far more restrictive than those holes. It has a potentially better flowing ADBV that will definitely still function. It has a coil spring for retention instead of a leaf spring which is generally a more premium feature. Overall it looks like just as good a filter as the Japanese with what looks like slightly more material on the filter metal end caps as well. Very stout construction. The only issue would be if the filtration media is not as high quality, but it at least looks similar if not identical. Could be from the same supplier. For anyone who does regular oil changes, this is a premium filter far better than most of the cheap filters at parts stores and far better than the Subaru blue filters. People don't need to stress over this one.
@@802Garage I was having the same thoughts exactly. If anything, the pleats in the Indonesian filter looked more uniform, which could lead to more consistent filtering. On top of that, having a slightly more compliant drain back gasket could make it seal better.
@@Zephyr8086 Indeed. From what we can see in this video, absolutely no reservations about the Indonesian filter. Is it a bummer it doesn't say Japan on it? Sure. Indonesians need work too. ;)
Thanks for the video, I think the quality of the 15208AA20A is almost the same as the 160.
The filter made in Indonesia has many of the same characteristics of a Sakura oil filter that @WhipCityWrencher recently reviewed (Honda Oil Filter 15400-PLM-A02 vs. Sakura Oil Filter C-1821 Oil Filter Cut Open Comparison) including the coil spring with the cup it sits in and the spacing of the four rivets that attach the bypass valve.
Thanks for the comparison. I use only Amsoil products but even they recommend WIX if they can't get you their own. Food for thought. My 2023 Impreza came with 3 free oil changes so I'll request the black filter when due.
Will be really interesting to see what the aa100 ends up being - I would think if they changed designs they'd change the p/n the way they did for the bigger filter...
Napa gold on my 2018 Outback. No issues for far going on 89,000 miles. Switched to Napa gold around 66,000 miles. Runs great! Oil changes every 6,000 miles.
Thanks for the video! It's interesting to see that the construction of the Indonesian Tokyo Roki is quite different. By comparison, the Thai Mahle Honda filters and Japanese Mahle Honda filters are pretty much identical. I guess Tokyo Roki purchased quite different types of manufacturing machines for the Indonesian factory.
I have been using the Napa Platinum and so far so good. I have read good reviews on it.
It's about time. I have been using the Japanese filters (special ordered) instead of those blue filters for years now. The Indonesian filter is slightly different, but also appears to be close to the quality of the original Japanese filter. I'm glad to see Subaru has finally seen the light.
Napa gold or wix has not let me down yet.
The last Napa Gold for my Outback said "Made in China" on it. ::(
Great info. Going to try the Mazda oil filter next time. Thanks.
Ive gotten the black AA160 filters on eBay for a few years now for our '21 and '23 cars. They are the made in Japan type.
Surely they just contracted an existing filter plant. I'd bet the farm that new filter matches something else already on the market.
Subaru uses the same filter as Honda and Fram/Honeywell has already been making the Honda filters in blue so all they had to do was paint Subaru on them instead of Honda.
Local Subaru dealership just got in a bunch of the Tokyo Roki filters that are marked with Made in Japan, clearly the real thing. Thankfully I watched this video earlier on, because once I realized what they had in stock, I bought 14 of them. They actually cost me less than the acdelco replacement filter, and it's still from the dealership. For clarification, these mine are the ones ending in AA100.
I just bought the Subaru branded oil filter from Walmart (part# 15208AA15A) and it comes in a completely different packaging than shown. It is the black filter stamped with "Made in Indonesia", has the "M" stamped on the top plate and cost $10.97 before tax.
You can use the HOnda K 2.4L or J3.5L oil filters to replace it. They are interchangable as we do in Asia.
When my 2024 BRZ comes in I already confirmed with my dealer/service center; that I can supply the oil and filter for my oil changes. I am going with Pennzoil Ultra Platinum and Wix oil filters (which have been proven through testing to be amongst the best)
great vid! I guess BRZs are outliers? Haven't had any issues getting the black, made in Japan AA170 filters for my 2022 BRZ.
I have a hookup at my local Toyota dealer. I been using FRS filter for my FA20 WRX and Forester and now my XV Crosstrek. I havent had any issues at all.
I'm curious to know if you have heard of the Oil Pressure retention adapter made by Baxter Performance, and what you think of it. I was recommended to get this by my tuner for the longevity of my Cam Chain Tensioner. I have an FA20 DIT.
I work at Subaru in Jacksonville FL. We have the Tokyo Roki in stock and use them on my Subaru and I do mean the Japanese ones.
I can't picture Tokyo roki having built a factory in Indonesia, but am leaning towards they might be made by Sakura filters. They do quite a few aftermarket brands here in Australia and their own brand. I've used 100s of them and never had an issue and have cut a few open in the past for inspection.
Here in Sydney, Australia at my local Subaru service centre when I get the oil filter , it’s always been black over the years. Never seen the blue filters here 👍
I believe most of the blue filters were made in Mexico, so it would make sense you weren't getting them there. Not that they couldn't have used a different factory.
You are also ruled by the Japanese market over there, so very unsurprising facts are facts lol!
Not true blue.
I was using aftermarket parts on my Crosstrek and forgot this was an issue and still going on! Those new filters look pretty good. Definitely better than anything a quick lube place would install.
I had a napa gold filter leak on my outback. The top was cut about 3-4 degrees from square. Napa gave me a new filter and an extra quart of oil for the trouble. Now I check them for square before installing.
good to know! (and they're suposedly made by Wix, so ... seems like a LOT of quality issues and supply chain issues these days still now. Autoline says that the supply chain has permanent damage possibly!
Is the filter media the same?
Maybe take the media out of each filter, stretch it out, measure and compare the total area of each.
Ive always used Fram Force or Titanium part no ending in 7317. Only bacause 1) its included in an oil change bundle every month at Advance Auto and 2 my brothers Honda and my dads Acura use the same filter as well. Easy to remember.
Not a bad surface layer visual difference. I would have done some proper testing with poor quality oil and so on to get the disagreement between people out of the way. I've never noticed a difference with these oil filters, I strongly feel if a brand had wanted the best for their cars no matter what they would have just have just given the same design overall or within the same margin (not enough to make any difference) to their whole line up. I would have taken a look at the construction of the filter media, the amount of pleats, filtered some bad oil with some particles and testing things a little further.
The titles only suggests hype in the theory of it all without any actual conclusion on the topic. I hope to see more testing on this from you.
Mr Subaru - How about a follow up on these new AA20A Indonesian filters? Have you installed any on customer’s vehicles? There are numerous reports from users and dealers about oil leaking around the base!
There is a lot of 'talk' about this on the internet. Any observations from Mr. Subaru and/or other knowledgeable people would be welcome.
I just pickedup my Forester from a standard break repair today. Talking with them I ask if they are now useing the new black oil filter. She told me yes BUT they are having issues with them leaking between the base and the can now and then. "The tecks have learned to check them all now"
Oct. 20 2023
interesting stuff - alot goes into your video presentation. thank you
after seeing your old cut filter video and this one,
i may stick with the fram ultra synthetic XG7317 I had seen it compared with wix and they seem to be the same.
very much like your Japanese filters.
Ive looked at cheaper fram filters and passed. {not so good}
this Ultra one has been great in our little line of Subaru cars,
only wix makes the size for the trucks here and oddly its a bit lower cost yet bigger & has the same internals.
Ive seen a few other scientific comparisons {yeah I research a bit lol}
the particles in the used oil samples are very similar between these
I used to use subaru filters, but they proved to be sub par in past comparisons I had done [just for the fun of it]
like other "studies" these are just opinions, its a good plan to keep an open mind as you check each theory.
sub filters might sometimes [used to] be about the same cost, but the stealerships in a city nearby had their own idea of pricing, oops they were often way over others, So I started ordering.
my fram ultras are not what a regular fram filter is.
Napa platinum or gold for twenty years, never a problem.
Purolator Boss filters are one of the best.
Love your videos! You helped me feel more confident picking up a 24 Crosstrek Sport. The only thing I’m still worried about is the infotainment since the climate controls are baked into the screen. There was a class action suit on the older infotainment setups being slow, laggy, or glitchy and makes me reconsider the longevity and reliability of the infotainment. Is this something you consider a problem for someone who wants to use their cars long term? Is there anything we can do to maintain or prevent issues?
You rock!!
Keep your hands clean before using the screen, don’t spray any harsh chemicals on the screen directly and keep it dry and clean at all times, use a sunshade in the hottest days of the year hope this helps
I have a 2024 Crosstrek Limited and I think the complaints about the infotainment system are overblown. I mastered the use of mine with little difficulty. I like it.
Bought a service pack 12 count from NAPA labelled with Wix number 21334 but made in Korea, there were also Hyundai/KIA part numbers on the can. Happens to fit both my 2004 Sonata 2.7 and 2012 Outback 3.6. First time I've ever seen a custom molded rubber seal. The backflow seal is orange silicone.
Wouldn't use it if it says Hyundai/Kia on it 😂😂😂
I am using a Japanese Subaru filter on a Kia vehicle.
I have a 2023 Crosstrek; I had my first oil change August in Franklin, TN and the original black filter was replaced with a Subaru-marked blue. Second oil change a couple of weeks ago with a black Subaru filter in Decatur, GA.
Seems like a lot of people are buying Subarus these days. I took a long road trip to view the eclipse and about half the cars I saw on the way to and back from Wildcat Bluff were Six-Stars.
Decatur resident here as well! Just bought my first Subir, an outback. Do you go to six Star for service and oil changes?
@@wtpanos Since I got the 3-year maintenance with the new car, I go back to Stivers Decatur Subaru.
Other than the generic blue filters leaking, we have seen no issues from any type. The generics looked to be a bad batch for a very short period of time. The parts dept had several cases to dispose of at one point recalled for defects.
Unless you're in a high heat area or heavy duty use I wouldn't go crazy deciding. They all work.
I just got an oil change recently at a Subaru dealer in Massachusetts and when I looked under the hood it had the black filter. It's a 2023 Forester that was made in Japan so when it was new it had the black filter and it only had the blue one for a short period of time.
Sounds like the Mazda Dealer at $8 a copy sounds reasonable for my 2015 Outback.
I have recently switched my BRZ to Chinese Mann filters from Aliexpress. Mann W811/80. Excellent quality. Probably better than the OEM one.
I just picked one of these new filters up from my local Subaru dealer last week for $9.58. I’m impressed with the overall quality compared to the the blue filters.
I ran the blue filter for 275k miles in my ‘10 OB with no issues.
right, so many people loosing sleep over a filter they throw away every 3-7k miles.
Looks pretty good. Glad they finely figured out a solution to the oil filter problem and stopped using the low quality cheap fram stuff
I'll stick with Purolator Boss PBL14615. I don't trust OE to not change suppliers not telling you, and screw you over to save a few cents. I suppose different brands could do the same, but I trust them a little bit more.
Same here, I got noise on start up with the blue factory filter, minimal with the WIX, none with the Boss
Good choice best filter made . Far superior to the Indonesia counter part😊
AA170s for my WRX are easy to get but if I couldn't get one I'd just use a Mobil 1 filter. They are everywhere and very good quality. US made.
Thanks for the heads up. I look forward to more info on these new black filters. I'll keep pulling from my 160 stock for now. It'll be interesting to see if they keep shipping Foresters and other vehicles made in Japan with the 160s or the new Indonesian filter.
I just bought a new 24 forester sport and it came from the factory with the 160 filter.
@@mattsbrute thanks for the update. I suppose that will only last for another year or two as they move all US Forester and Forester hybrid production to Lafayette, Indiana.
I had an issue with those blue filters. On my 13 Forester, I got the shortblock replaced, and when I picked it up, it had a random ticking at startup. After 3 trips to the dealer, and them even replacing the timing chain assembly and it still not going away, I had the thought it sounded like when you first start and the oil pressure hasn’t built up yet. I had the idea that maybe the oil was draining out of the filter when the engine was off. I bought a Wix and replaced it and immediately the ticking was gone. I have never had any issues with oil filters for my vehicle until they used a blue one at the dealer.
I have been using the BRZ oil filters in my 2.5L Crosstrek. They're readily available at all dealerships, Japanese made, have more surface area, twice the core openings and only $7 apiece.
Definitely happy to see that Subaru is giving the North American market a better filter now! I just bought more 160s, I use them for my 2022 Outback and my sister’s 2015 Crosstrek. I’ll wait to see if you test one of these on one of your cars, Mr. Subaru, then decide what way I’ll go for future filters! So far I’m still leaning toward the 160s but I’ll use the new NA market one in a pinch.
I bought 6 160s on EBay, turned out to be counterfeit all. EBay refunded money.
@@chawkinzI’ve bought them on eBay for several years now, always from the same seller, and I’ve never had a problem. I’ve always been sent genuine filters that have all the hallmarks of the real filters and packaging.
@@parsley0120I’m trying to find the Japanese 160s; can you tell me your eBay source? Thanks much!
@@chawkinz Did they ship from China? I found several ebay japan oil filters that are fake. Amazon also has 3rd party seller that sell fake ones.
China company shipped from California.@@Electricmarquis
On my 2.5i I have mostly used Bosch 3300 filters. They are cheap and seem decent quality. Nice to know we can get Subaru filters that aren't fram but I have no issues the the Bosch ones.
Nicely done! We just got our first shipment in today.
Nice!!
Good to know that the filter I’ve been using at my Toyota dealer (The Mazda Filter) was actually made if a decent quality
Subaru and Mazda share many items. I just bought a 2021 Forester, 36,000 miles back from lease. Appears to be 100% A1 perfect. How many miles are you from Myrtle Beach, I saw your CVT service video I'd like to have that done. Have not asked my dealership yet if they would do it, I was impressed by your very thorough procedure.
Just cool to see a black filter (AA20A) to match the 130(BRZ) 170(VA/VB WRX, and 031 (H6).
As a simple Subie lube tech, these are much better filters than the old blue ones.
One caveat. Our Tokyo Roki filters are made in Indonesia.
you need to take out the filter media and actually calculate the area (square footage) to properly determine filtration effectiveness.
in a real word scenario the bypass valve should never be used in the first place since you should be changing out the oil filter at regular OCIs that are well before the filter media became so clogged that the filter bypass valve would need to be used. Plus, thinner “flimsier” bypass valve means easier actuation of the valve in case of blockages.
I would suspect and certainly hope that the Indonesian filters and the Japanese ones are targeting the same specifications and performance, and ideally the same filter media. The construction would have been adjusted for local component availability as well as the machinery the plant has. Not knowing the whole story, the new filters could even be produced by a partner or subcontractor.
PL14460 is the go to for an EJ257. Especially higher power applications.
My shop uses Six Star filters which are supposedly private label versions of the Tokyo Roki’s
Going with the Wix WL10078 on the 2022 wrx. It looks identical to the black Subaru factory filter but has more flow holes in the base.
I’ve been using Baldwin filters in my cars since ‘05 with no problems.
Very good video as always, hopefully we get the same comparison in September when the EJ filters hit the dealers!
I was shocked ! I always go to the dealer for the bleu filter, I always thaught it was good. I guess I was worn! Thanks for making this video and explaining this to me!!! By the way, just picked up a 06 wrx wagon!
We usually put on Wix or Wix XP, at least we know who makes them and the quality won't drop whenever subaru switches suppliers.
Just started using the black ones yesterday at the shop!! 3/2/23
I don’t know how I feel about the one made in Indonesia. I am gunna stick with the one made in Japan.
Way better than the blue filter
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I just use k&n on my legacy 2.5i it’s the same as wife’s CRV. Never had a problem nor a shortage lol
Interesting, I purchased an OE oil filter for my 08 OB yesterday from the local dealer and they gave me a US made blue filter. I wonder if they found an old case of them laying around since the last one they gave me was the unbranded blue filter.
Also I am starting to think Japanese companies are outsourcing to Indonesia. I bought a few NGK plugs ( which have always been Japanese made) for my lawn equipment last season and they were all made in Indonesia.
All of the ASEAN countries have a free trade agreement (Thailand, Malaysia, Indonesia etc). There are huge taxes (100%) on cars that are fully imported from Japan, so local assembly is essential. Where Toyota and Honda have their factories (and respectively Denso factories or engine factories making parts) in Thailand, Subaru's assembly factory is in Malaysia with parts and testing from Indonesia.
I always use WIX/NAPA filters. they are the best.
Great video! Thanks for the comparison. I purchased some filters online and they have an interior similar to the Indonesian filters, but are marked Made in Japan on the exterior. The box lid was glued down with something that looks like Elmers glue. The exterior can has a silver collar, and not painted like the ones you show. Also, the filter pleats don't look as deep as the ones you show (less surface area). Would you say I have counterfeit product? Thanks for your help on this.
Walmart super tech filters! As long as you change the oil like you should. Then they work fine.
Totally appreciate your knowledge ive been watching your channel off & on. Not owning one.
Recently I pickedup on 2006 imperza 2.5i luv the seating and start also drive, has ralley race vibe aka ken block others. Handles curves great.
Question for my old Ej high miles is it Safe to use K&N or Mobil 1.
As alternative to newer Oem you mentioned.
I was about to go autozone or
Walmart buy that Blue can of Death you mentioned.
I think my Imperza has that blue can from Previous owner. Believe has to local ralley dirt events. More on that later when make a video.
As soon as you mentioned FRAM = oh oh No!
Good video and review.
Not surprised that the Japanese filter appears to be better.
Never had a problem getting Purolator filters for our Outbacks, Foresters and Crosstrek from years 2917 to 2023. My personal pick over any other brand filters.
Any chance to a link to the bulletin so we can read it?
I would love to see a video discussing how to "defeat" nannies such as TC and Stability control. and the different models it applies to
Good oil good filters regular regimented oil changes = Good recipe :) … On a very small note construction of the new filter very similar to Mahle OC707 ; Here is to fun safe driving !
Thinking about the blank blue emergency oil filters, the plastic E-core inside them screamed Luber-Finer, Service Champ, and sometimes Fram PH7317.
Excelente información, very good information, congratulations 🇨🇱
My favorite filter currently is the “MicroGard Select” from Oreilly’s Auto Parts. Very solid construction and quality materials! Part # MSL57055 for our Subarus $10.99
interesting...57055 is the WIX number for our cars. So I would guess that the Microgard must be made by WIX.
@@jekern77yes it is! So their fine to use
Yes I’ve seen a ton of oil filters dissected and this MicroGard Select is just awesome all around for the price! I’m not sure if it’s made by Wix. Others have said it’s made by Premium Guard 🤷🏻 All I know is it’s made in Vietnam and like the build quality, materials used, & price.
I really appreciate this video. What is your retail site where you sell the filters?
Everytime I see a video on oil filters I always reply this:
I've been using for 10 years Mann Filters, with alot of trackdays and I've never had issues with the engine.
Interesting that they used Purolator. Purolator is all I've used for many years. I've done the same forensics across many brands, so my choice since has been Purolator followed by Wix.
I just bought 3 of them at my dealership in Sacramento. It was a buy three and get one free - came home with 4 of them. Be careful though as the filters are cheaper if you buy them on-line and then pick them up at the dealership. If you buy them at the dealership they may or may not give you the on-line price.