Insane Professional Starcraft 2 Match: Dream vs. Reynor
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- Опубликовано: 3 июл 2021
- Dream vs. Reynor in an absolutely insane Terran vs. Zerg, Dream with mass Thor vs. Reynors Mass brood lord.
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Both players displaying some of the highest level Starcraft I’ve ever seen. I never ask for likes, but just make sure to like this one!
Why do we not see more hellbats to soak bloodlings in these positions
@@linear_timeline9362 from what I understand, it’s kind of a catch 22 situation (I haven’t watched the game yet, so if I come back to edit this comment, sorry).
You need your factories working on higher value units to keep up with Zerg remax potential, Terran production is one of their weak points so you need to get the value.
The other is surface area, broods take up a LOT of space very quickly. You can end up just soaking the broodlings but never getting anywhere.
Now if you on sky Terran... I imagine getting a few extra favorites pumping could help, but Vikings already decimate broods, so it’s not supply efficient.
It’s also ENTIRELY possible I’m just plain fucking wrong, so if some GM Terran comes in here to slap my take down as garbage, go with their reasoning. 😂
Downvoted :)
@@linear_timeline9362 I was going to ask the same thing about the first part of the game with mass Ling. I feel like if you know your opponent is going mass Ling, splashing 8 or so blue flame hellbats would be nuts right?
It did seem to get extra down votes, it was a bit static boring at times. Gg from both sides.
I still can’t believe this game isn’t super popular. These games are like a movie with multiple climax. Absolutely crazy.
Watching is awesome but I quit long time ago because it is way too micro intensive. I feel exhausted after couple of games. I play to wind down and sc2 doesn’t let me do that. Compare to game like league where “breaks” are built in via going home, death, walking, etc.
idk how and why i started playing it today.
I'm so lost
It's okay to watch, but just not very fun to play. Starcraft only really feels relevant if you're some professional e-sporter. If you're a run of the mill player, I dunno, it just kinda feels antiquated and not really targeted at you, but instead a tiny handful of Koreans that can play all day every day. Compare that to Age of Empires 2, Company of Heroes, and Supreme Commander where there are much larger player bases because the skill in the game is more strategy related than who can click the fastest and memorize meta build orders.
Sc2 is by far my favourite game ever,I binge play it then stop but always come back,it was the first love of my life game and always will be my fav.
@@hurleycapetown8420 me 2, I had to uninstall game cause every time I play, it would be minimum 6 hours……..average 8 hours……
The overlord meatshield that doubled as creep pooping for the spores :feelsgood:
yea that was beautiful
also dream was micro-ing his ghost only that fight it seems
Those last two engagements were beautifully played by Reynor
@@waterzoip yea the vikings were only attacking the overlords and the thors were attacking the broodlings.
In a hundred years it wouldn't have occured to me in such a moment ot use the overlords that way.
22:45 the most practical use of overlord poop ever
won him the game.
didnt even notice that. actually huge
i thought the overlords were there to aggro the thors to not hit broodlords insteads
i didnt even notice that i thought the hatch finished thats actually insane man i forget that ability even exists when i play and he uses it to clutch the W
Is this melee KJH? Sup dude, didn’t know you were a Reynor fan, but I should have guessed. True spacies are Zerg at heart 😜
Getting armour for vehicles and air damage would have made a massive difference
why didn't he tho? he had the money and the time, yet he started +2 armor only near the end, why?
@@Ricardo_Rick might just be off the pressure from reynor, the runbys and nydus aren't showed all the time in the playback, but you can bet it isn't really slowing.
upgrades are easy to forget in high stress situations
@@eternalAnt yeah definitely, it's really easy for us watching a playback to be like "omg why didn't he" but we sometimes forget what a frantic high stress game this is.
Lol I lost a game yesterday because I completely forgot the 3/3 upgrades for Zerg. And when I realized that, it was too late. And that was low gm matchup. It always amazes me that some of the top players can remember everything at the right time, lots of them can place the upgrades at the exactly same time in different matches.
Man, TvZ is just the coolest matchup to watch, so much action, and you get to see almost every unit used.
and at the end zerg wins.
That was sick af! Probably the best late game I’ve seen in a long time! Love to see so many Thor’s and Broodlords, big fights, Ghosts on stealth missions, crucial spells landing, man this match had everything! Epic! Thanks!
Upgraded Armor makes difference
Thors tripping over marines, ghosts, fungles, shooting at overlords, and spores, and broodling. Reynor forced some extremely difficulty micro on Dream. While at the same time making the broods job so easy the he could just leave them auto attacking. Not that Reynor didn't set up, and micro like a champion. I think the thors had a serious disadvantage; from being land locked, too large to force their way in, and having too many possible targets. If I was to take anything away from that fight as Dream, it would be to never mass that many thors on defense, it give your opponent too much time to get creative. Thors are huge and that mass spreads out damage output and you usually need to focus fire down important targets. Immaculate finish by Raynor.
this is absolutely not true. Thors auto target Broodlords
He forgot the blue flame hellbats. Thor and hellbats is perfect against broodlords
@@letmelick yeah I'm confused why he opted for marines over hellbats the entire late game once the broodlords popped up
the announcers mentioned that the map is not as open so causes more trouble for mass thors. I think if the map was more open it would have been a different story.
Don't forget the Thors were only on +1 the entire time
finally some good game from broodlord, thank you reynor for bringing me good old days of brood lord
That was insane! The amount of multitasking required of both players near the end was crazy. Reynor's ling runbys forced Dreams attention away just enough. Stamina is a real deal and I think Reynor just managed to tire out Dream.
I'm so in this videos that I didn't realize the title, the comments, just watching and getting impressed with every fight and landscape moves, just amazing!
What an insane match between two legends
Geez, amazing game. Another viewer mentioned it, but yea. Thank yall for directing such wonderful movies
20:20. Wouldn't it be better that the thors use explosive payload on those clustered broodlords? The splash damage would be insane.
Good question! I think the +1 range is crucial, plus with good target fire it’s easier to take out the broodlords. When the replay is out we can resume from replay and try again ;)
Let's do some math!
Assuming +3 Attack on the Thors and +3 armor on broodlords:
Javelin Missile Launchers deal 4x9 damage with 2.14 seconds cooldown. That's 4x5=20 damage per thor per volley not including splash damage. That is a dps of about 9.35 vs a single broodlord.
Punisher Cannons (aka High impact Payload) deal 34(+13 vs. massive) damage with 0.91 seconds cooldown. That's 43 damage per thor per volley. That is a dps of about 47.25 vs a single broodlord.
Assuming the Thors are not moved around and just standing and shooting, Punisher Cannons fire about 2 1/3 times as fast or 7 volleys in the time you need for 3 missile volleys. Single Broodlord dps is 47.25/9.35≈5.05 times higher for Punisher Cannons.
For the Missiles Splash damage to be worth it, they would need to hit at least 5 Brood lords on average to be worth it! Additionally Punisher Cannons have +1 range over Missiles.
Also consider that Missile damage falls of towards the end of the fight as numbers get lower.
I would conclude missiles are not worth it unless the broodlords are all cramped into a single spot.
20:30 "It's over, Reynor! I have the high ground!"
But this time, he did underestimated his power...
Oof. That last battle was hard to watch, so much firepower wasted on overlords for an incredible amount of time
8:16 That bunker positioning with the depots is dirty.
Felt like Dream threw that game.
Can you really call it throwing a game when it's against the world champion who is winning every big tournament he enters for a solid year now?
@@miked3723 Everyone can throw a game, no matter who it is, doesn't matter who they're facing, I'm not bad mouthing either players though, I like both of them.
@@Necroneer Yeah for sure. I just dont think Dream had a big enough lead to consider it throwing. Maybe if he was playing someone else it might be. But you need a bigger lead than Dream ever had against the world champ before id call it a throw imo. But GG man
@@miked3723 I'm very certain that Dream had a huge lead, Terran late game is pretty much better than Zerg late game and that's why Zerg has to usually throw two armies to beat one army, which means that Zerg relies a lot on having more map control and having more resources than the Terran player. 19:19 If you look at Terran's bank and superior composition anyone would assume that Terran wins this, but he didn't and loss the game, that's why I think it's a throw.
19:20 That nuke made me clench my butt so hard. That was the moment that would've changed the whole game. GG
Would some blue flame hellbats be good with that late game thor army to help clear the zerglings and broodlings?
That would have been worse for dream. Broodlings do damage upon impact as well as during their lifespan as well as, any money he out into hellbats is both supply and money not going into thors, and given the biggest threat was the brood infestor, he needed more ghosts not being body blocked by the thors.
@@codywotring8973 about 6 would of been very very very good. But this biggest issue was the lack of upgrades.
9:48, I may have to re-install SC2 again
Love Raynors hoodie. Its so hot outside, he decided to boil alive
That was such a fantastic game, Dream made SO MUCH happen when I thought he was screwed early on, watching the end was a real goddamn treat. I do feel like Reynor just gets better and better though every year. Remarkable skill.
Yessss! Well done Reynor. We love your play
Man this is so intense to watch. Reynor's style of play is really fun to watch, and Dream is doing some cool stuff against him.
What a Match ! Awesome
That ending blew my mind :O overlord poop and neural parasite just won the game
holy **** that game was crazy!
What a game. Holy crap
That was amazzinnggg
Wow! AMAZING, only this AMAZING... :)
games like this make sc2 look good
Omg, this is a crazy game
How did he even manage to root the spores in that chaos 👍
Overlord poop
@@eduardo_carvajal Yes I know, but no vision on the creep, Units above everywhere
@@davidstud3952 Right really I don't know
Reynors all mighty 4,183,937 APM
Epic match!
This is my fav game of 2021
What a f*****g game. Kudos to both players holy s**t!!
Wow, didn’t think reynor would manage to pull that off crazy
19:13 Ooh! paid more attention than Solar did!
What a game.
If people are interested whether high impact or Missile mode for thors is better against Broodlords: I did the math and High impact does about 5.05 times the dps against (single) Broodlords, so to be worth it missiles need to hit a bit more than 5 broodlords on average, so probably not worth it most of the time.
Lowko will love this game
upgrades upgrades upgrades
19:32 "I clenched my bunghole so hard" 🤒🤮💀
That Thor army is insane
Remember when Dark tried this against Serral? Beyond no gain for Dark. Serral flawlessly beat him back. Utter beauty.
23:20 lol Reynor -Italian stalion ?
In the final engagement, only a single thor was shooting the broodlords while others were shooting broodlings.....
19:14 Solar would 100% have Vietnam Flashbacks™ if he watched this. 💀💀💀
12:44 Reynor didnt kill the SCV´s in the west but did burrow 2 banelings on the passage in north and 15 marines ran into them outside of screen 🤗
Super game..
😆
Dream could spare some ghosts for more liberators to keep those infestors away. And his thors are blocked by terrain and his structures.
That was a MASSIVE win by Reynor!
I bet Dream will become another heir of Korean Terran.
Dream did extremely well but just needed some more upgrades and better positioning of his units so his Thor's could hit the broods
I wonder why dream didn’t wait for a couple more marines before pushing forward with that proxy racks
it was scouted immediately which spells doom for the push against any zerg with half a braincell
Why do so many Terrans build Thors against Brood Lords at high level? Dream had them fight against broodlings 80% of the time and it just seems like you're relying on the Zerg to mess up.
9:04 Sarah Kerrigan's story in nutshell...
7:42 100 worker + 100 army = 199 supply... what??
Maybe it was because they rounded .5 (zergling) supply for the army but the total supply was not max (200).
@@mark11tz Didn't think of that. So like he was at 200/200 and then lost a single ling. Thank you, that was confusing as heck lol
Broodlorsd op
That was an okay match, I guess.
*Overlord changes direction*
Commentators: OOOOHHHHHH
*Overlord sees SCV*
Commentators: OOOOHHHH MY GOODNESS
Didnt know the overlord was famous. What a chad
Dat game.
“That safety planetary fortress really deserves a melon on honor” agreed, bring in the melon
neural parasite changes it all
Can someone explain the arrows between the mining/gas count? 3 blue arrows = blue producing a lot more or what?
ive never noticed that and i have no idea
thank me later for the helpful response
Some say Dream is still building Thors
19:32 too much information bro
What a game. It really feels like that lately Zerg has no real answers to late game Terran and in order to win against that turtle style is to play 110%. It’s impressive raynor got that but it was soooo close and in recent months in a similar situation it seems like 9 times out of 10 Terran wins that game
Dream definetely had the answer in theory - the last engage just went kind of horribly. I think if he has 3 or so ranged liberators to zone infestors, a few ghosts in the front with all of his thors behind there is litterally no army that zerg can build that beats this.
They talk about that around 7:40. Reynor goes up to 100 workers making his max army much smaller than Dream's. That's about 15 infestors he could have which would make a huge difference between fungal and neural.
Towards the end of the game when they are both equal on workers and Reynor has supply for infestors all the exchanges start to look pretty even.
7k min and 4k gas, get some Battlecruisers. Only Thors so immobile.
No production, no upgrades, no yamato for those, though.
If the vikings were microed at all at the final fight (they basically shot all the Overlords), Dream might have taken this game.
Clear DREAM forgot about armour and attack upgrades or he would be wiping the floor against the broods with this many Thors.
Attack for thors was the mosr important upgrade. He propably would have done much better IF he had gotten armor, though air attack wouldnt matter since they shot overlords anyway.(big brain play by reynor)
@@snowdrop9810 yeah… He had no hellbat escorts OR medvacs to keep their health topped up.
thors do plus damage vs massive he just couldnt micro better than the zerg player his units.
OMG REYNOR IS AMAZING!
Holy sweet mary mother of god, what a game jesus, what a game
Shoulda went with mass vikings instead of thors
Dream really played poorly at the end there. He didn't target fire properly, and his Vikings were shooting at Overlords instead of Brood Lords for nearly a minute.
Still, Blizzard needs to change Thors and Ultras to be able to walk over smaller units, similar to how the Colossus does. The Thors really should be able to walk forward and just gun down those Brood Lords; the fact that they can't really favors Zerg on this map.
He did not produce enough vikings. I know they are vulnerable to fungal, have to mircoed well. But thors never could kill broodlords.
why didnt he just move up with his thors? like ever? or even try for their upgrades?
are u pro? no than stfu
Italian stallion?
he looks like a lady right?
These sort of games confuse me. Once the zerg has a fleet of broods and a couple corrupts with, a handful of casters like vipers and infests, they always win a stand up fight. Always. So, why do they not take it and win, instead of waiting?
only if he got dem upgrades and more air support dream would've won
Lmao why even use Thors against Zerg when they can Neural Parasite it and instantly force you to kill it or let it kill a massive chunk of your army?
in the title it says dream vs reynor is the real dream the one playing minecraft or just his name are being used?
Dream from minecraft was not the first and only person to use the Dream username
@@SC2HL ok
@@SC2HL you could give me tips to win in the games of star craft 2 because I'm not very good forfa help me
In what world does mass thor beat mass brood lords lol...
In most worlds. Thors have 1 more range, far far more dps and good armor AND more hp. Broods are useful however if you try to ram 14 thors through a chokepoint making it so your thors cant shoot broods. However, its still not a good idea to make broodlords unless you’re reynor.(I doubt he’d make broods against mass thor if he didnt already have a lot of broods.
thors are the most OP AA unit in the game but in this game he just didnt walk the line.
@@snowdrop9810 Thats not what the game showed. Dream targeted the BLs with his Thors, you could see the click rallies but got rekt.
Once again proving why zerg is the most op. Just keep throwing units at your opponent until you win
You still need massive amounts of skill and apm to win with zerg, they may have the best abilities but those abilities require a ton of micro so it's not like anyone can win with zerg, I'd say that balances them out a lot
cringe
spoiler alert from ten years ago, thors vs mass broodlord still doesn't work....
lol he literally only lost because his thors spent the whole last battle attacking brood lings.
Not really sure what he was thinking. His vikings were attacking overlords, his thors attacking broodlings. Seemed like he just mismanaged his army at the end there.
I have a question. How do you make your thors NOT attack broodlings? You’re not gonna make them phase through other thors, NOR will you make them shoot at longer than 11 range. So, its either shoot broodlings, shoot overlords, or shoot nothing. Thors are fat and you cant concave them in a chokepoint.
@@snowdrop9810 High Impact Payload for thors was buffed from 10 to 11 range specifically in order to fix their matchup against broodlords and tempest which have only 10 range. Broodlords can't attack and spawn broodlings without getting in range of thors so long as you keep the thors in front.
In this specific game he probably could have also tried to push them back with nukes or gone heavier into vikings.
He needs hellbats to roast the broodlings and to protect the thors. Thor&hellbat
@@snowdrop9810 i'd say you magic box the thors in the back on a move to kill broodlings, and box the thors in front and shift click the broodlords. seems like it would work in my head
i hate when any zerg wins
Ghost die , infestors and vipers always escape, 1.356 sec wait needed before deploying. make it fair.
Fungal is weaker than psi storm. Snipe vs zerg is propably THE SECOND MOST powerful spell in the game after psistorm(toss needs that since eir units legit suck horribly compared to terran and zerg) the game is fair. Also, ghosts dont die that easily, and usually get good value.
cry harder or learn to play, most people crying zerg OP never have tried playing zerg...
Terran is so versatile! Reynor had to work real hard for this one...
zerg IMBA, gg dream
Zerg is just bullsh*t OP. needs a serious nerf.
Why is dream from Minecraft playing StarCraft?
Lol, no ,that isn't the Dream who plays minecraft.
holy moly... 400apm but 0 strategic thinking... the Terran played so dumb, even as terran fan, I'm glad he lost
God I hate Zerg 😂
It's not fun to play this game during the competition it's very stressful
Zerg is so OP like broodlords are basicaly free units, and with mobile anti air building its unbeatable..
22:50 wtf is Dream doing? :D how can a big PRO name like this fuck up so big? Amazing...
I'm always happy when a terran loses lol!
Wow...What a "great" idea to go full ground against broodlords...
10 vikings would change EVRYTHING.