I remember the Lauda airline. A delicate subject handled with sensitivity and tact. It's amazing to see every day objects still at the site. God, have mercy on so many lost souls, RIP.
Yes, RIP, as I said in the video I still have clear memories of that night and events that occurred soon after which I feel added a dimension to the experience of visiting the shrines and crash site.
Amazing video Karl, I actually didn’t know about this plane crash (or that Lauda had an airline) until watching this, the noises of the bamboo creaking sounded very spooky indeed!
Gday Karl, really interesting stuff, didn't even know there was a plane crash back then, it sounds like the forest is talking to you with way that bamboo makes those noises. cheers, PS I love the way you reply to every comment made on your channel.
Yes, it was very creepy with all those noises from the wind through the bamboo stands and at times it really did sound like there were human voices amongst it all. I do try to reply to any sincere comments. Cheers
Thank you Pete. As I said in the video I still have clear memories from the day it happened and the weeks afterwards, not all of them on the internet today and some I just decided not to go into. Hope you are well.
Thanks Paul, I do try to find angles and places that appeal to me. It’s an approach that often isn’t rewarded by the algorithm but I cannot be what I am not! Thanks
This is a fascinating video Karl and it's amazing there are still small items from the plane still there to this day. I'd like to visit this place myself one day. Keep up the good work bud, I'm sure your channel will continue to grow.
Very interesting video.. I've seen another vlogger do one on this before but, yours was a lot more informative. Maybe a little short but, well done.. maybe baldy Brian has more footage.. I will try and visit the site myself in the future. 🙏
I'm here from Pete's latest video. I did a bit of a deep dive into it this afternoon because for some reason as a newish airline pilot flying the B737 in 1991 I barely remember this accident. I found some good articles, it was a bit of a refresher on systems. Now that I'm retired and living part time here in Bangkok, I really want to take a journey up there and visit the park and the site. Great video, thanks.
Ok, I can understand why you relate to the videos content. It’s very remote but not that hard to visit outside of the rainy season with a car with decent clearance (a pickup is fine). It’s on Google Maps as Lauda Air Flight 004 Shrine but please don’t mistake it for the Lauda Air Memorial which although related, is a couple of hours drive away from the crash site itself. Cheers
That's a beautifully shot film Karl. I can tell a lot of thought went into making it. I was on Ko Samui when it happened, and there was an accident at that airport in 2009, in which the pilot was killed and several passengers injured. I enjoyed your chat with the ranger....*You know how much faith I've got in their signage* Haha
Cheers Mark, yes it was something you couldn't forget if you were here at the time. My wife was living on Koh samui when a plane came down on approach to Samui Airport not long after it opened. She has one harrowing memory that I won't go into in this chat. Hope you are well.
@@karlsthailand Ah yes Karl, that was the accident I was thinking of. Bangkok Airways flight 125 crashed, killing all 38 people on board in 1990. I’m sorry your wife was emotionally affected by it.
I remember hearing the news about the plane crash in the 90s, didn't know anymore that it happened in Thailand. I only knew it was a great tragedy in Austria, being a 10 year old kid at the time I didn't pay much attention to the facts of the story. I can see why Thais might avoid visiting this national park.
You handled this very tactfully indeed mate. When you look at what happened there in the aftermath regarding the looting etc, it's difficult to blame dirt poor people when 'money' starts to rain down from above.... nearly all of us, in the same situation, would have done the same. I had no idea there were still pieces of the plane there; really good video Karl.
Yes, Jimmy, I try not to judge but it did bring shame to their country at the time, as long ago as it was. I could see no reason to dwell on the more negative aspects of the story other than to stir controversy and perhaps detract from tragedy of the event itself.
I have to admit i chuckled a bit when I saw the title of the video having the words crash and Lauda in the same sentence. I had no idea Niki had an airline. So sad. I am suprised that crash investigators left so much debris yet not suprised that so much is untouched by the Thai people. Bad mojo for sure in their minds. Too bad there were looters though. 😢
well done mission n memories karl to the mountain site with spirit house homage to the crash , 10:43... nice touch with the overlay news reports and eerie sounds n bamboo forest... 🙏🏽 cheers!
Hi Karl i remember that crash very well, i was also living in Bangkok at the time & remember seeing the bloody images in various newspapers and magazines of the remains of passengers hanging from trees & the forest thai tribes robbed them of all their possessions!! Those images will remain with me forever, very, very sad indeed. Ok bud keep up the excellent work, chok dee khap.
Yes, some aspects brought a lot of shame both local and National at the time. It was a long time ago now though and it was never my intention to dwell on these aspects as shocking as they were.
My uncle in Miami had a patch of bamboo. After it rained sometimes I would sit in the middle of it and listen to the creeking as it grew. It can grow an inch in an hour if it has the nutrients and water. I've never seen a bamboo forest, but of course they are legendary in many cultures for their stories of mysterious voices and sightings. There has never been a single event of supernatural activity ever recorded, but it I suppose it's possible. Very interesting history there and RIP to all those lost souls. It seems like in aviation and fire safety and submarines that it takes a human tragedy before critical design flaws are identified and corrected far too frequently. I had an Eddie Bauer Bronco for many years (in New Jersey) and I'd take a chain saw with me when I was dirt roading it in Upstate New York or wherever. With bamboo I guess you could throw those 10 meter spindles like a javalin but if there was a wash-out, maybe some bigger stuff might fall... I love a good exxcuse to use chain saws... lol.
Bamboo is incredible stuff, strong enough to make bridges with when it's fresh yet weak enough to crumble in your fingers when it's dry. Those sounds were truly creepy mal
I remember this accident happen and never knew you could visit the crash site. The panel were brian finds the cutlery is part of one of the inboard engine fan cowls, forward of the thrust reverser. The inboard fan cowls have chines on and you can see it in the video. I will visit this site myself one day. Interesting video, and many modifications were implemented after this crash to prevent in air thrust reverser deployments. Thanks for sharing this karl. Again taking the viewers were no other youtubers have ventured.
Thanks so much for your insights. It's not a part of Thailand that many people visit and quite frankly requires more effort than most are willing to undertake to visit but for anyone who makes the journey it is a very real experience. Thanks
Well it would have been a lot less interesting doing it without you and it's so cool to know someone else who actually has the curiosity and sense of adventure required for this kind of thing. Your videos are getting better all the time and that's the important thing. Cheers
Interesting video, thank you. Camping around the site at night might have given attractive cintent. Any chance of some of the many legendary ghost stories and black magic practices being featured? Plenty of inspiration to find in Thai media.
I would add that in such a catastrophic accident like this with the tail plane breaking up mid air the debris field must have scattered over a huge area, hence why not every piece of wreckage was retrieved. Just a thought.
@@dolphinvlogs2831 True, and the remoteness of the crash site too,no access roads at the time, but still some particularly large pieces of debris still there too.
I was a great fan of Niki Lauda, and actually got to see him race at Silverstone once, I can remember the crash, but somehow I remembered it taking place in China, so was amazed to see this video Karl. On a different note, do you know why those shrines have those little ladders on them, haven't seen these before?
One thing I do remember Chris was Niki's sense of responsibility and speed of action once he heard of the crash, he immediately flew to the crash site and was involved at every level. Also I saw an interview where he said it was the hardest time in his life and that was coming from a man who had been through a lot. I just asked some Thais about the ladders on the spirit houses and they said it's so that the spirits can get home.
Incredible that so much debris was left. Generally when you see reports on airline crashes they police up every bit of scrap as humanly possible. I wonder if this was bc of how remote it is??
It certainly was very remote back then especially, at least now there are 7 kilometers of dirt track heading there from the National Park HQ. Although the wreckage was in that area I suspect that some of the wreckage there now was found elsewhere and taken there so that there's more to see at the shrine. Cheers
There was a lot of shame felt afterwards, both Internationally as well as locally. It was a long time ago now and I'm confident we have moved on. Thank you
There's probably FAR more wreckage still out there in the jungle that's never been found, since it was an in-flight breakup. Lauda Air 004 was a particularly horrifying one.
For sure Ryan and one of the signs does mention 'many shrines' although I expect some of them would take a lot of effort to reach. I might do it some time for a follow up vlog.
@@karlsthailand your welcome Karl....I ve shared the latest and Tham Luang caves amongst my circle of friends.....I hope it helps ....gotta get you over the 10 K subs then you will be on easy Street 😂😂😂😂😂💰💰💰💰
For sure, what amazes me is that it was put into the handbook as being a recoverable situation. There are several documentaries on RUclips and the the Internet that go into much more detail than my vlog Steve
Yes Dave. I had some negative comments that people would steal the cutlery because I had shown it but as we both know the Thais are very spiritual and superstitious about this kind of thing and would probably predict all kinds of bad luck for anyone who did remove anything. Cheers
It was a long tome ago now Kevin although I do remember it and the aftermath very clearly because I was here at the time. It's a trip I was planning to make for literally years. Cheers
@karlsthailand always had an interest in aircraft etc in fact I was in the uk last week visiting my son who's RAF. I stayed on a Chinook base. I remember lauda air and I knew the was an incident but didn't realise it was thailand and the scale of the tragedy
I remember the Lauda airline. A delicate subject handled with sensitivity and tact. It's amazing to see every day objects still at the site. God, have mercy on so many lost souls, RIP.
Yes, RIP, as I said in the video I still have clear memories of that night and events that occurred soon after which I feel added a dimension to the experience of visiting the shrines and crash site.
Amazing video Karl, I actually didn’t know about this plane crash (or that Lauda had an airline) until watching this, the noises of the bamboo creaking sounded very spooky indeed!
It was a very creepy experience being there, totally silent except for the sound of the bamboo creaking in the wind. Thank you
Already looking at a trip on the bikes mate, thanks for the tip it looks really interesting too
That's great Nick, we'll have to do a trip together sometime, hope you are well and have fun!
Very interesting Karl I remember being on holiday in Thailand when it happened. But didn't know the wreckage was still there great vid .
Thank you Kev, yes, as memorials go it's a very real one
Gday Karl, really interesting stuff, didn't even know there was a plane crash back then, it sounds like the forest is talking to you with way that bamboo makes those noises. cheers, PS I love the way you reply to every comment made on your channel.
Yes, it was very creepy with all those noises from the wind through the bamboo stands and at times it really did sound like there were human voices amongst it all. I do try to reply to any sincere comments. Cheers
I had never heard of this crash. Fascinating! A really well put together video thanks Karl
Thank you Pete. As I said in the video I still have clear memories from the day it happened and the weeks afterwards, not all of them on the internet today and some I just decided not to go into. Hope you are well.
I vaguely remember the tragic event, I respect you for your sensitive coverage, your channel really interests me👍🏿🥰
Thanks Paul, I do try to find angles and places that appeal to me. It’s an approach that often isn’t rewarded by the algorithm but I cannot be what I am not! Thanks
Great video Karl, I like seeing different parts of Thailand, probably more places to visit than you could in a lifetime
Thank you Glen, I've always tried to acknowledge every side of Thailand and I have never got bored of it.
So spooky that bamboo so Irie story time with Karl is always my favorite
It was spooky indeed Jason, hope you are well. Cheers
This is a fascinating video Karl and it's amazing there are still small items from the plane still there to this day. I'd like to visit this place myself one day. Keep up the good work bud, I'm sure your channel will continue to grow.
Glad you enjoyed it Sam. I'd wanted to make that video for quite a while but had to wait for the opportunity. Hope you are well/
Very interesting video. Sad stuff. Thanks.
Glad you enjoyed it and yes, very sad. Thanks
I wasn't aware of this thanks for sharing.
My pleasure, thanks for your comment FT
Interesting Video. Thank you, Karl 🙏
My pleasure! Glad you enjoyed it and thanks
Great video Khun Karl
I will buy you a large bottle of Kloster next time I’m in Thailand 🇹🇭
Krap Pom
Look forward to it Mike and thanks
Very interesting video.. I've seen another vlogger do one on this before but, yours was a lot more informative. Maybe a little short but, well done.. maybe baldy Brian has more footage.. I will try and visit the site myself in the future. 🙏
It's one I've wanted to do ever since I started the channel tbh. It's great to have someone like Baldy Brian as a travel partner and kindred spirit.
I'm here from Pete's latest video. I did a bit of a deep dive into it this afternoon because for some reason as a newish airline pilot flying the B737 in 1991 I barely remember this accident. I found some good articles, it was a bit of a refresher on systems. Now that I'm retired and living part time here in Bangkok, I really want to take a journey up there and visit the park and the site. Great video, thanks.
Ok, I can understand why you relate to the videos content. It’s very remote but not that hard to visit outside of the rainy season with a car with decent clearance (a pickup is fine). It’s on Google Maps as Lauda Air Flight 004 Shrine but please don’t mistake it for the Lauda Air Memorial which although related, is a couple of hours drive away from the crash site itself. Cheers
Thanks for sharing Karl
My pleasure! Thank you
That's a beautifully shot film Karl. I can tell a lot of thought went into making it. I was on Ko Samui when it happened, and there was an accident at that airport in 2009, in which the pilot was killed and several passengers injured. I enjoyed your chat with the ranger....*You know how much faith I've got in their signage* Haha
Cheers Mark, yes it was something you couldn't forget if you were here at the time. My wife was living on Koh samui when a plane came down on approach to Samui Airport not long after it opened. She has one harrowing memory that I won't go into in this chat. Hope you are well.
@@karlsthailand Ah yes Karl, that was the accident I was thinking of. Bangkok Airways flight 125 crashed, killing all 38 people on board in 1990. I’m sorry your wife was emotionally affected by it.
Thanks Karl. Great vid on a sad subject, I remember it well.
Very welcome, yes, the memories are still very clear for me too. Thanks
Great video on a very sad event 😢
I remember hearing the news about the plane crash in the 90s, didn't know anymore that it happened in Thailand. I only knew it was a great tragedy in Austria, being a 10 year old kid at the time I didn't pay much attention to the facts of the story.
I can see why Thais might avoid visiting this national park.
Sure, you know the Thais, very superstitious but I do appreciated the realness of some of their memorials. Cheers
Very interesting thank you for sharing.
So nice of you, thanks Dean
Excellent video Karl.
Glad you enjoyed it, thanks CDIT
You handled this very tactfully indeed mate. When you look at what happened there in the aftermath regarding the looting etc, it's difficult to blame dirt poor people when 'money' starts to rain down from above.... nearly all of us, in the same situation, would have done the same. I had no idea there were still pieces of the plane there; really good video Karl.
Yes, Jimmy, I try not to judge but it did bring shame to their country at the time, as long ago as it was. I could see no reason to dwell on the more negative aspects of the story other than to stir controversy and perhaps detract from tragedy of the event itself.
I have to admit i chuckled a bit when I saw the title of the video having the words crash and Lauda in the same sentence. I had no idea Niki had an airline. So sad. I am suprised that crash investigators left so much debris yet not suprised that so much is untouched by the Thai people. Bad mojo for sure in their minds. Too bad there were looters though. 😢
Great vid Karl . Such a sad event in history .Thnx for sharing it with us .
It was very sad Dean, as I said in the video I still have very clear memories of the crash and the aftermath here. Glad you enjoyed the video, cheers
Karl this is one of your best vids made. Thanks for sharing. stay happy be safe in Paradise.
Glad you enjoyed it CJ, thanks
well done mission n memories karl to the mountain site with spirit house homage to the crash , 10:43... nice touch with the overlay news reports and eerie sounds n bamboo forest... 🙏🏽 cheers!
Thanks and glad you appreciated my video ideas.
Hi Karl i remember that crash very well, i was also living in Bangkok at the time & remember seeing the bloody images in various newspapers and magazines of the remains of passengers hanging from trees & the forest thai tribes robbed them of all their possessions!! Those images will remain with me forever, very, very sad indeed. Ok bud keep up the excellent work, chok dee khap.
Yes, some aspects brought a lot of shame both local and National at the time. It was a long time ago now though and it was never my intention to dwell on these aspects as shocking as they were.
Very respectful video Karl,,,,kudos to you.
Yes, I thought people should know but didn't want to be disrespectful. Thanks
Very interesting video Karl, the crash site is indeed spooky, RIP to all who lost their lives.
Yes Cliff, RIP. I tell you you feel you are hearing voices in between the creaks that bamboo makes in the wind, very spooky indeed. Thanks
Karl, Brian, astonishing video. I want to go there now.
Glad you enjoyed it. It’s one we had planned for about 2 years before we got around to it Phil. I’ll message you
My uncle in Miami had a patch of bamboo. After it rained sometimes I would sit in the middle of it and listen to the creeking as it grew. It can grow an inch in an hour if it has the nutrients and water. I've never seen a bamboo forest, but of course they are legendary in many cultures for their stories of mysterious voices and sightings. There has never been a single event of supernatural activity ever recorded, but it I suppose it's possible. Very interesting history there and RIP to all those lost souls. It seems like in aviation and fire safety and submarines that it takes a human tragedy before critical design flaws are identified and corrected far too frequently. I had an Eddie Bauer Bronco for many years (in New Jersey) and I'd take a chain saw with me when I was dirt roading it in Upstate New York or wherever. With bamboo I guess you could throw those 10 meter spindles like a javalin but if there was a wash-out, maybe some bigger stuff might fall... I love a good exxcuse to use chain saws... lol.
Bamboo is incredible stuff, strong enough to make bridges with when it's fresh yet weak enough to crumble in your fingers when it's dry. Those sounds were truly creepy mal
I remember this accident happen and never knew you could visit the crash site. The panel were brian finds the cutlery is part of one of the inboard engine fan cowls, forward of the thrust reverser. The inboard fan cowls have chines on and you can see it in the video. I will visit this site myself one day. Interesting video, and many modifications were implemented after this crash to prevent in air thrust reverser deployments. Thanks for sharing this karl. Again taking the viewers were no other youtubers have ventured.
Thanks so much for your insights. It's not a part of Thailand that many people visit and quite frankly requires more effort than most are willing to undertake to visit but for anyone who makes the journey it is a very real experience. Thanks
Awesome, Karl. Your vid is definitely better than mine.
Well it would have been a lot less interesting doing it without you and it's so cool to know someone else who actually has the curiosity and sense of adventure required for this kind of thing. Your videos are getting better all the time and that's the important thing. Cheers
Another belter karl cheers 🍻
Thank you! Cheers! Jason
Wow! Fascinating.
Thanks, yes, another part of Thailand that's usually overooked
Wot a video mate that's insane 😢
It's a bit heavier than my usual stuff but a story I felt needed to be retold Dean
Powerful episode!
Thanks Scott. I went back there yesterday as it happens but that's for an upcoming video. Cheers
another great video!!!
Thanks, it was one I'd wanted to do for a long time actually. Hope you are well
@@karlsthailand just resting and playing with the grand babies in Indiana. We are heading back to Vietnam in mid-October.
@@KPDigitalTravel Nice, I’ve been to Indiana before
Wow Karl, god bless the Thai people for making a shrine of this tragedy but not the looting, thanks for the video Brian and Karl. Ray.
It was a long time ago now, yes, probably better to judge them for what they have done with the memorial.
Hello P'Karl, this incident happened when I was young.
Yes, it was a long time a go now but my memory of it is still clear. Thank you for your support of my channel
Well done Karl my friend 👍🏻 ☮️
Cheers Barry
Interesting video, thank you. Camping around the site at night might have given attractive cintent. Any chance of some of the many legendary ghost stories and black magic practices being featured? Plenty of inspiration to find in Thai media.
I have an idea or two, thank you
Crazy the crash investigators left wreckage there.
Sure, you can view it cynically but on the other hand it makes it a more authentic experience for anyone who makes the journey
I would add that in such a catastrophic accident like this with the tail plane breaking up mid air the debris field must have scattered over a huge area, hence why not every piece of wreckage was retrieved. Just a thought.
@@dolphinvlogs2831 True, and the remoteness of the crash site too,no access roads at the time, but still some particularly large pieces of debris still there too.
I was a great fan of Niki Lauda, and actually got to see him race at Silverstone once, I can remember the crash, but somehow I remembered it taking place in China, so was amazed to see this video Karl.
On a different note, do you know why those shrines have those little ladders on them, haven't seen these before?
One thing I do remember Chris was Niki's sense of responsibility and speed of action once he heard of the crash, he immediately flew to the crash site and was involved at every level. Also I saw an interview where he said it was the hardest time in his life and that was coming from a man who had been through a lot. I just asked some Thais about the ladders on the spirit houses and they said it's so that the spirits can get home.
Incredible that so much debris was left. Generally when you see reports on airline crashes they police up every bit of scrap as humanly possible. I wonder if this was bc of how remote it is??
It certainly was very remote back then especially, at least now there are 7 kilometers of dirt track heading there from the National Park HQ. Although the wreckage was in that area I suspect that some of the wreckage there now was found elsewhere and taken there so that there's more to see at the shrine. Cheers
Terrible story finishing with a really appropriate and kind response from the Thais.
Very interesting and another place on the list.
Cheers Karl
Kind response as in the shrine not the accusation of looting
There was a lot of shame felt afterwards, both Internationally as well as locally. It was a long time ago now and I'm confident we have moved on. Thank you
There's probably FAR more wreckage still out there in the jungle that's never been found, since it was an in-flight breakup. Lauda Air 004 was a particularly horrifying one.
For sure Ryan and one of the signs does mention 'many shrines' although I expect some of them would take a lot of effort to reach. I might do it some time for a follow up vlog.
Thanks
Thanks so much for your support Terry
@@karlsthailand your welcome Karl....I ve shared the latest and Tham Luang caves amongst my circle of friends.....I hope it helps ....gotta get you over the 10 K subs then you will be on easy Street 😂😂😂😂😂💰💰💰💰
How in Gods name did a thruster come on in mid flight. THATS a huge error. There must have been a fail safe that obviously failed.
For sure, what amazes me is that it was put into the handbook as being a recoverable situation. There are several documentaries on RUclips and the the Internet that go into much more detail than my vlog Steve
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Thank you
Not thailands finest hour regarding the looting ,.
Yes, you are right.
Terrible crash wasn't it mate, i was in india when we heard the news at the time. RIP to ll the passengers.
Yes indeed, RIP.
If this was in Europe, all the sicko souvenir hunters would have stolen everything….god bless the decent Thai people.
Yes Dave. I had some negative comments that people would steal the cutlery because I had shown it but as we both know the Thais are very spiritual and superstitious about this kind of thing and would probably predict all kinds of bad luck for anyone who did remove anything. Cheers
I never knew of this disaster. Interesting
It was a long tome ago now Kevin although I do remember it and the aftermath very clearly because I was here at the time. It's a trip I was planning to make for literally years. Cheers
@karlsthailand always had an interest in aircraft etc in fact I was in the uk last week visiting my son who's RAF. I stayed on a Chinook base. I remember lauda air and I knew the was an incident but didn't realise it was thailand and the scale of the tragedy
Yes, Thailand’s biggest aviation disaster ever, very sad.