nini salazar roberts being the worst character for 11 minutes straight
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- Опубликовано: 26 фев 2023
- dedicated to the biggest nini hater i know other than myself
don't watch if u love nini and are easily offended. nini will never be loved by me so don't bother trying
this video is about the FICTIONAL character nini, not the actress
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I never realized how much Nini was the problem in a lot of these situations. she was TERRIBLE at communicating with Ricky god DAMN
He literally asked for a break and saw other girls then started trying to ruin her new relationship, then deleted a comment about a music showcase because he was insecure? Sure shes the problem. Misogyny mental gymnastics are so funny .
@@UnBesoDeCristal Yes, Ricky did something really stupid, and he paid the price for it. He spent months trying to better himself and be a better person for Nini and they ultimately ended up together. What Nini did right after wasn't right though. She told Ricky that she was leaving way too late and that even though she knows about his abandonment issues. She should've communicated this way sooner. Ricky tried to be supportive of her decision and really help her with the new school. Nini again didn't communicate at all that she was not feeling good at the school and wanted to leave. Ricky could've helped her with that, but had no way of knowing since she never told him.
Now, yes, Ricky did something stupid, never said he wasn't bad either. He told Nini that she should come back for him. This was gross, I definitely didn't like that. Though again, instead of telling him how she was feeling about this, she just didn't communicate at all and led Ricky to believe that she actually came back because of him. But then she didn't really wanna spend all that much time with him (because of him wanting her back with him), which he didn't know, cause again, didn't communicate. Instead he's left wondering what he did wrong and becomes pretty frustrated. Especially when he wants her in the show, but she doesn't want to do that. And in a desperate attempt of spending more time with her, which she doesn't really want but hasn't communicated, he brings her into the show as the rose.
Both already kind of frustrated but not communicating, Nini has to write a song for both. But instead of doing that, she writes one for herself, through which she lets her frustrations about Ricky out instead of just telling him. Ricky, being surprised by this being a solo song is feeling threatened, which he should've communicated, but tbh I just don't think he felt safe enough to do this with her, since she didn't communicate at all even though Ricky was trying to. And he did something even more stupid in I guess an attempt to save the relationship and deleted the comment. The intent was there I guess, but it was a really dumb thing to do.
And then it just all fell apart afterwards. Nini pretty much wanted to do the exact same thing Ricky did back then and wanted a break. Ricky noticing that she just didn't feel connected to him anymore instead broke up with her, even though it broke him as well.
At the end, yes, they were both in the wrong, but I understand Ricky's intentions a little better than Nini's, since it was mostly in reply to her lack of communication.
What I really hate about all this was Nini in the first season singing of "I won't fight for love if you won't meet me halfway" and then just doing the exact opposite of it in season 2. Hate how they completely botched not just her but so many characters in Season 2. It's like they were regressing instead of progressing.
@@danielmarkovicthis was incredible wow but yeah to summarise it: they were an unhealthy couple no matter how u try to slice it. It’s really obv and tho we live rini, it prob wouldn’t have worked out
Yeah I Litterallt hate her
@@danielmarkovicno one is reading this damn essay
I never realized how self absorbed she was in season 1 and 2, wow
Same
He literally asked for a break and saw other girls then started trying to ruin her new relationship, then deleted a comment about a music showcase because he was insecure? Sure shes the problem. Misogyny mental gymnastics are so funny .
@@UnBesoDeCristalshe never communicated. Not saying she was completely at fault I’d say they contributed to their relationship failing. He was too clingy and insecure in the relationship and she never communicated. Glad he’s with Gina, they’re more compatible, both want something stable and she likes his clinginess
Litterally!! Y’all I been tryna tell ppl this for so long
I was legit so glad when she left but mad she didn’t come back for the “For Good” part at the end of season 4.
i feel like she is the female equivalent of the 'nice guy', who when you look deeper has a lot of issues, I think its the way they wrote her, she was obviously the focal point of the show, so they let her get away with a lot without holding her accountable, yes you can make your mains flawed, but its clearly written in a way where they don't seem to be doing that intentionally, she never really learns a lesson whereas some like Gina who was antagonistic intially ends up having a of growth, I honestly wish they didn't cancel it, the writing was actually starting to get more interesting
Ricky is a good example of a flawed main too. He clearly has abandonment issues and stuff to work through, but he actually acknowledges that and grows over the course of the series.
And I agree, I wish they would have given us atleast one more season, they still would have had half a year until they graduate right? And even then, seeing them move on to college and continue to grow would have been fun. But it is what it is.
He literally asked for a break and saw other girls then started trying to ruin her new relationship, then deleted a comment about a music showcase because he was insecure? Sure shes the problem. Misogyny mental gymnastics are so funny .
@@Beny763He barely changes throughout the series lol
@@UnBesoDeCristal Sure, that´s why you could only mention examples from season 1 and 2. He respected Gina and EJs relationship in season 3, actively decided against telling her about his feelings, he learned to cope better with change, he actually communicated his insecurities in season 4 about Mack, but sure, he "barely changed"
@@UnBesoDeCristalyou barely change your replies. Instead of copying and pasting the same reply on multiple comments of people sharing their opinions create something new for a change. I know you can do it!
They put her in so many layers… true Disney style
It's definitely giving bizaardvark💀
After watching this, I’m so glad Ricky ended up with Gina.
Yes , Gina was the right choice :)
He literally asked for a break and saw other girls then started trying to ruin her new relationship, then deleted a comment about a music showcase because he was insecure? Sure shes the problem. Misogyny mental gymnastics are so funny .
@@UnBesoDeCristalthe amount of times you have commented this is crazyyy, both ricky and nini had flaws. acknowledging nini’s flaws doesn’t mean we think ricky is perfect. the show never delved into ninis flaws and allowed her to learn from them whereas with ricky they did. this is just a funny video, don’t take it too seriously
@@UnBesoDeCristalnobody is blaming her for everything, it’s just they don’t work as a couple. Both of them were the problem in the relationship
the show became literal shit when nini left💀
it always bugged me that everyone acted like Ricky was OBLIGATED to say I love you back. Like…. bro wasn’t ready. If u were his FRIEND u wouldn’t pressure him like that and put him on the spot fr. yea he didn’t take it well but out of ALL PEOPLE *nini* should’ve known why he wouldn’t say it back. and nini gaslighting him about the song is crazy 😭😭
not to mention his parents have probably been on the brink of divorce for years, and have never said 'i love you' to each other
I shouldnt be so happy to have found this video but.......FINALLY YES FINALLY. Its been so lonely defending Ricky and calling Nini out on the things she did by myself.
U ain’t lying 😭 especially with the “Nini loved him! They were better together” I’m like- Nini was bashing him most the time even though she knew what he was going through…Gina was always there supporting him and she had tremendous growth
@@mya1256 YES SHE WAS THE PERSON THAT DEGRADED HIM AND KNOCKED HIM DOWN THE MOST. Its like everytime he tried to show his love for her or be her BOYFRIEND she calls him clingy and unreliable like wtf. DOINT EVEN GET ME STARTED ON THE I LOVE U THING. I get her being sad and what not but holding a grudge against somebody u "love" just because they werent ready to say i love you back is.......lets just say if my bf did that to me i would be pissed. I just caint believe that whole situation he said several times he wasnt ready to say it and that he was beating himself up over it. We as the audience and the people who actually love him know that to be true. Anyways im so glad he is healthier, happier, and in love with the girl that was always there for him. I hate that Nini gaslighted him and made him feel like garbage just for trying to be a better person or bf for her. I litteraly have loved Ricky from the moment he was introduced so this upsets me alot lol sorry for getting worked up. OH AND HIS PARENTS WERE SPLITTING UP AND SHE COULDNT- SHE DIDNT EVEN- UGH lemme go before i have a heart attack. Also sorry for the lack of punctuation im just an idiot venting.
@@Chanel_ml bro your are fineeee I completely understand the rant because I feel the same way 😭😭 every time he tried it was always something wrong with herrrr. Like she wasn’t grateful for anything except that music career ☠️ josh himself said he’s glad Ricky is in a healthy relationship now in an interview. Ricky and Gina have a mutual understanding and love for each other. It’s understandable why Ricky didn’t say I love you to Nini at that moment, and me personally I would never post I love you on social media to somebody ☠️ that’s why I love when in “love you forever” Ricky said “I’ll say it first no matter what the cost, here I am full heart, full stop…I love you” it was so special because when they first met, Gina told him “maybe you don’t love her (Nini), full stop.” But here he’s saying he knows he loves Gina and he’s gonna let her KNOW. 😭😭 Gina always supported him, told him to do what would make him happy. Nini was triggered by everything ☠️
He literally asked for a break and saw other girls then started trying to ruin her new relationship, then deleted a comment about a music showcase because he was insecure? Sure shes the problem. Misogyny mental gymnastics are so funny .
@@UnBesoDeCristal i can understand that, ricky did do wrong, but she also could’ve understood what all was happening in his life. I would want a break too if I wasn’t ready to say I love you back to someone because I wasn’t ready for the commitment. For crying out loud, like he said in the show, “it’s hard to say that when your own parents don’t say it anymore” or along those lines. But all in all it doesn’t really matter because they’re fake characters so ☠️ but I understand where you’re coming from
Her trying to flush her PROM DRESS down the toilet was so.....😭😭
it’s homecoming so not as important ig..?
that made me so unecesarrily mad like... Donate it??? Hello??? That was a perfectly good dress someone else could have used!
i was so scared to say i didn't like nini, im so glad others agree
like she literally doesn't care about anyone but herself i cant with her😭😭
I’m not. I don’t like Nini and I especially don’t like Gina
She’s like Rachel from Glee
she’s the only one that cares about the other characters but sure
@@oliviascamden i'm convinced you haven't watched the show and try so hard to push the narrative that she's selfless because honestly everyone cares for each other in this show. without nini being around, they were still family and still looked out for each other. so i don't know where you came from with that "she's the only one that cared about others" because that is SOOO funny.
@@karlacalonia825 they all cheated on each other 💀💀
fr when Nini told Mama C that she’s had “the worst day ever” after Mama C very directly implied that his mom was leaving his family and things were bad enough that her moms were letting him stay over, I lost a looooot of respect for Nini
Why? Because she was being self centered as most teens? And I don't think she even knew about his mom then... She is one of my least favourite characters but I am not seeing anything "wrong" there... I do love her mom's response though!
@@giuliac9735 actually up until Homecoming, I still shipped Ricky and Nini. I thought her talk with Ricky on the couch was cute and it was my favorite moment in the show until Homecoming. I was hoping that moment of self-centerness that made me lose some respect for her would be regained through her improving as a character and as a friend and eventual girlfriend (again) with Ricky. But she didn’t. Her words to Ricky that night (“you can always talk to me about anything”) were consistently proven dead wrong again and again and she kept being self-centered and selfish. So I never got that respect back, and when I rewatch that scene with the knowledge of things she says and does later on in the show, it is a very frustrating and irritating scene. Because it wasn’t just one time. It was evidence of a consistent pattern for Nini’s behavior and attitude.
For example, I lost a lot of respect for EJ in season one through his actions, like stealing Nini’s phone. He regained it in season 2 when he treated Gina well and then lost it in season 3, even though I never stopped wanting to see him improve as a character. I absolutely adored EJ in season 4 and he fully regained all my respect back. Edit: Unfortunately, Nini didn’t have a similarly redemptive or satisfying arc that showed her grow from a self-centered person to a more selfless person like EJ did. By the end of her run as a character, all of her plots were just about her, and her alone. And I’m not that interested in a character who is so excised from the rest of the characters. Every other character on this show has at one point functioned not to elevate their own character, but someone else’s. That’s most of EJ’s function in s4. He is there to help Ricky, the show, and Gina. We get a sliver of what he’s doing in college, but not much. But Nini, in season 3, didn’t even reunite with all her friends before leaving for California for good. She left letters but her function in season 3 was solely, utterly for herself alone. And I find that so absolutely boring, when everyone else is so intertwined and when the core theme of the show by the end is community, family, and belonging.
@@thylionheart yes, I totally agree. That's why she is not one of my favourites either, but I think her "journey" was of self discovery and "being enough" for herself, which is something she (and Olivia in her songs let be honest) champions throughout the show. I guess that can sometimes being taken as selfish, but it's a fine line.. maybe it was not handled well... I never rewatched the whole show, just snippets so I didn't catch all her inconsistencies but I see why you would have lost respect for that, I still find it very human, and normal, but not something I would stan in a character either.
@@giuliac9735 I think that’s what the writers were trying to go for, but the problem is that we don’t know much about Nini as a character prior to the start of this journey, and we see her experiencing a lot of privilege in her journey, with her main obstacles being an internal struggle that seems to show that she takes these privileges for granted, without understanding that she’s essentially been given handouts the entire narrative.
What I mean by that is this: Nini’s core struggle in season 1 was her wanting to go to an art school and being torn about leaving Salt Lake City. She didn’t have agency in the decision to have the Dean at the play-Kourtney called the Dean. Nini did not take that risk or make that choice for herself. Even though her acting in the play was terrible, wooden, and cringy, especially compared to all the other performances we’ve seen on this show, she got the school offer. We didn’t get to watch Nini toil over practicing her scenes after taking a risk to contact the Dean herself or see her act her ass off in the performance to make a good impression-if we’d seen that, this offer would’ve felt earned.
So then she goes to an expensive acting school, even saying that her moms are working hard to send her there. Private schools like that often require you to pay a year’s worth of tuition upfront, or at least a majority of it. But Nini isn’t even there for a month before she calls it quits. And since she’s only there for I think a little less than half the season, it comes across as a half-asses attempt and like she’s taking the opportunity that she didn’t earn for granted.
Then, instead of making Nini an ensemble member because she wasn’t there for auditions, like would be the norm, Miss Jenn goes out of her way to invent a whole new role for Nini as The Rose, giving her a prominent visual role. She even lets her write a song about it (even tho later we find out they can’t perform that song anyways without getting disqualified.) When Nini writes the song, she sends a recording of it to Ashlyn and says not to share it with anyone yet, or with Ricky. But Carlos posts it online without her permission and it goes viral. So once again, Nini’s success was not her own choice or her taking a risk. Someone else facilitated it for her.
Everyone knows the song is about Ricky. People keep asking Ricky if he’s okay. Nini even told Ashlyn not to share the song with Ricky, because she knew it was about him. But when he expresses how the song hurt his feelings because it vilified him, she gaslights him by trying to say it’s not about him and it’s just a song. That’s not a healthy way to treat your bf/gf and this is later addressed during the breakup scene. But the resentment and anger that Nini harbored in that episode was so deeply uncomfortable to watch because she kept looking at Ricky with this…disdain, almost, like she didn’t even like him as a person. It’s very interesting to see that Nini’s song going viral seemed to foster such a negative and toxic side of her to the point where I think those episodes are the most bitter and angry she’s ever looked-and it’s supposed to be the start of her Fully Knowing Herself.
When she finds out she can’t perform the Rose Song, she says they should do it anyway even though the club would be disqualified. Aka, she doesn’t care that everyone else in the club, who wants to win and who has been working hard, would be screwed over if it means her song gets to be in the spotlight. That is incredibly selfish. When the dance off begins, she calls it stupid (or something like that) and just…walks off. Doesn’t participate. Abandons the club and her friends. That’s the moment where it’s clear that Nini is absolutely contrary to the entire theme of the show, which by the end is resolutely about community, acceptance, and belonging. Nini doesn’t care about community. Her journey is only about herself, and in a show about community, that results in her receiving benefit after benefit from that community (Kourtney, her moms, Miss Jenn, Carlos, Gina-which I’m gonna talk about next) and not giving anything back. She takes from the community but stops participating in it.
Gina is the one who gives Nini the connection to her producer brother. Once again, it’s not a risk or choice Nini makes. It is handed to her, on a silver platter, after 2 entire seasons of her being passive aggressive to Gina. Nini’s journey is supposed to he about self-discovery, except she hardly does anything to earn it. Everything is handed to her, and she just gets the option of accepting or rejecting it without consequences for herself and without having to actively do anything risky. Yes, she wrote the Rose song, but she didn’t decide to post it online. Carlos did. She didn’t reach out to music producers. Gina gave her a contact. Etc etc etc.
Funnily enough, my favorite Nini song in the entire show is Out Of The Old. I recognized what they were wanting to do with Nini in season 1 and I thought it was interesting. That song is a good thesis statement for her character, but it wasn’t executed well in the long run.
Edit: I didn’t talk about season 3 bc I don’t remember her scenes well enough; I found them boring and extremely removed from the core drama that I actually was invested in
@@thylionheart now that you mention all the things people did for her without consulting her, made me realise she only got angry with Ricky for it, when literally everybody does that! Kourtney with the scholarship, Carlos with posting the song online, but somehow Ricky is the only one who went "behind her back" by getting her the rose role.. I understand they had other issues as well, but it's still interesting..
It's a shame what they did to her character..
I always thought it was Ricky bc the seasons was so long ago but it was her 💀
Pls sameee
Honestly it was probably a little of both of them they just weren’t as compatible as they thought they were
Ricky had many flaws but at least he tried to work on them. Nini didn’t if I remember correctly. Not saying Ricky is perfect but he tries
Ricky was flawed, he had his problems. The only difference is he held himself accountable and started to grow.
y’all just hate women
Now thinking about it
The toxic character (not person, CHARACTER) left and the show became a little more wholesome
a little more wholesome and a whole more of a flop
@@oliviascamdenThe show better without her the storylines and love interest.
@@BunniesSakura45 and it flopped ☹️
@@oliviascamdenit definitely didn’t flop since it got 2 more seasons after she left 💀.
@@muffinator1239 she left in season 3, and they had a 4 year contract anyway 💀
GURRLLLL THANK YOU FOR THIS. nini is literally the worst most under developed main character in history i swear and it AGGREVATES me that her stans put her up on this high ass pedestal like she's a damn saint
He literally asked for a break and saw other girls then started trying to ruin her new relationship, then deleted a comment about a music showcase because he was insecure? Sure shes the problem. Misogyny mental gymnastics are so funny .
@@UnBesoDeCristal funny how u reply this to every comment lmao Ricky had mistakes but atleast got better and some background to make them understandable, Nini was a bitch for no reason.
Ppl act like that just because it’s Olivia Rodrigo 💀
@@disneychannelamv1214no she’s just a really terrible character I love Olivia but Nina annoyed me throughout season 1 & 2
@@jaleahmckinney7828 no i was talkin about that ppl love her just because it’s Olivia
Yeah, imo it seems to be the case that the writing of Nini's character actually (probably unintentionally) paints her as a character who is bad when you actually think about it. They play up her pettiness for comedy like when she steals Gina's shoes and projecting to those bystanders.
My guess is that Nini was supposed to be what Rachel Berry was to Glee (but not as bad to fit the wholesome theater kid vibe the show was going for): a talented, comically ambitious, self-centered girl who dresses weirdly and the balance between making her a wholesome character while still a talented girl boss was not achieved. It was probably better achieved in the other female characters. Olivia's acting and her being the mc for the first season probably played a part in making her more likeable despite this.
He literally asked for a break and saw other girls then started trying to ruin her new relationship, then deleted a comment about a music showcase because he was insecure? Sure shes the problem. Misogyny mental gymnastics are so funny .
@@UnBesoDeCristal I never said Nini was the problem, just that she's not as pure a character as I had initially thought she was since the points in the video are pretty valid. She had a a few moments where she was pretty self-centered (not wanting when she just learned that Ricky's parents had split up recently) and hypocritical (getting annoyed at Ricky for not taking rehearsal seriously then ad libbing during rehearsal with him). While I do believe some of the other things in the video are more nitpicks on her character than anything, I believe the moment's I mentioned are valid reasons to think she is a bad character.
That is not to say that the other characters have the best character either. The moments you mentioned with Ricky are also valid reasons to think he is a bad character. His insecurity leading to the comment deletion and the loss of an opportunity for Nini. Gina is even more so written to be comically ambitious than Nini with her coming up with an incredibly difficult dance routine for Nini. Miscommunication is also a problem with most characters especially in the first few seasons.
None of them are perfect, and that is a part of what makes them interesting characters. They play up their flaws for comedy and drama. It's just that Nini's flaws are less obvious because of her mc status in the earlier seasons and Olivia's acting makes her out to be likeable quirky character. While Ricky's deletion of that comment, EJ's deletion of Ricky's voice message, Ashlyn's assumption that Big Red must want more than a labor job, (S4 Spoiler Warning) -Seb's- -cheating- , and probably more I missed are shown as bad things in the narrative, a lot of Olivia's actions like not properly apologizing for stealing Gina's shoes and the aforementioned are easy to brush past as not her flaws for the reason's I had stated. I'm sure other instances also exist where other characters do things played up for comedy/drama which would actually make them a bad character if you actually look at them but this video highlights Nini's instances.
TLDR. Just because I said Nini as a character can be pretty bad, doesn't mean that the other characters can't also be bad. The cast all have flaws which makes their characters more interesting, but Nini's flaws are less obvious because of the way the show frames them as her being quirky in early season's and Olivia doing a good job acting as her and making her likeable.
@@UnBesoDeCristal This doesn't take away from the fact that she was toxic (so was Ricky, Gina, and EJ). Don't get me wrong, I liked Nini but she had her issues. She was self-centered (which would be fine if she wasn't in a relationship IMO) , she was really bad with communication, and she was petty. In Season 2, she refused to be honest with Ricky about her feelings which is BAD in a relationship, she brushed him off like their relationship wasn't important to her. With characters like Ricky, EJ, and Gina, we saw them grow and hold themselves accountable, we never saw that with Nini. The show acts like she's innocent instead of letting her acknowledge her flaws and improving. Maybe this is something we could've seen in future seasons if Olivia stayed on but I doubt it.
@@UnBesoDeCristalbro I’ve seen this comment three times already 😭
@@UnBesoDeCristaljust shut up and write something new
People like her bc she’s played by Olivia
If it was someone less known, they would see her (the character) for who she is
People liked her before Olivia blew up tho lol
honestly when i watched hsmtmts it wasnt bc olivia was in it, and i never rly made the connection
@@teehee3657 No, she was not the most liked character in the series, not many people talked about her as now
literally.
I never liked her or Olivia rodrigo
I never understood why she said I love you for the first time to her boyfriend for the whole world to see on the internet. It’s not very special. I’d be hesitant to say it too.
Edit: And her apologies are never really considered apologies.
I consider what she did is a type of love bombing
this is why I don't get Rini stans, like, that relationship was awful. Nini only wanted him back when she saw that he was interested in Gina, then she immediately didn't tell him that she was moving away KNOWING he has abandonment issues, and then she completely blocked all attempts at communication initiated by Ricky (yes, he was clinging but it's understandable given that Nini literally did not talk to him at all). Like, the only time their relationship was good was in the few days between them getting back and the start of season 2. So we didn't even SEE their relationship being good or healthy (not to mention that she was actively hiding important information even during the "good time"). And yet people continue to go to war for this ship like it's their mission....
Nah, Rina all the way
rini stans are mostly kids
It was 3 years ago please but you know when I was 13 I didn’t think about that stuff but now that I watch it again it is insane hahaha but you now she is still a cutie when she wants too and I love Olivia soo probably why o liked her! But now I like Gina and Ricky so much more because of the build up for. Them being together after all!!
I think it takes some time to notice bc ppl love the show and probably loved rini so much they couldn't see more. cause i didn't realize how toxic they were until this year with all the Rina edits and stuff. I notice Ricky and Gina were better
i’ve found my people
i’ve been saying i’m glad she started a singing career. bc her acting wasn’t that great and nini was insufferable. she literally had no development.
nini or olivia?
I think Olivia was a good actress but Nini as not a good actress on the show
He literally asked for a break and saw other girls then started trying to ruin her new relationship, then deleted a comment about a music showcase because he was insecure? Sure shes the problem. Misogyny mental gymnastics are so funny .
@@UnBesoDeCristal they were both the problem, but people haven't talked about Nini's part in it until recently. It isn't misogyny it's about holding both sides accountable.
@@UnBesoDeCristaloh shut up already we get it. If u had said this once I would have tried to explain nicely but it’s getting kinda annoying buddy
I'm glad she left. Gina was far more likeable and interesting.
fr healthy gf over toxic one any day
Gina is my least fav charecter and Nini is my second least fav. When Nini left the show should have moved on to it being ab Kourtney instead of Gina
@@June_slayy Gina has a good storyline tho she it makes sense why they would focus on her and tbf they kind of share the spotlight after nini left kourtney kind of ook over as well as gina.
Yeah Gina has much more depth to her character.
@@June_slayyeven when Gina was the lead other people shined. Kourtney actually got a storyline not centered around a boy and was very relatable. Gina was the lead but it wasn’t always about her problems and she helped people and let them shine
She never apologizes! She has horrible communication and she was so self centred (I know teens can be that way but she never acknowledges her wrong doings or tries to grow in any way)! I wanted to like her character but she’s way too unlikable! Thank you for this video!
is what i would say if i was describing ricky and gina
@@oliviascamden how? Explain in detail!
you're just a nini stan trying to make ricky and gina look bad. typical@@oliviascamden
@@muffinator1239 😂😂😂😂
@@muffinator1239 i dont have to try they did it themselves by emotionally cheating on both their parents. but please. i’m trying to leave this flop show in 2023 so, argue with yourself.
If Nini's outfits were on anyone other then Olivia Rodrigo, they would make me have to turn off the show
Ok I think nini was pretty toxic but what’s up with her outfits? I thought they were pretty nice?
@@imgonnaputsomedirtinureyedabs ngl lots of them were horrible, but lots were nicer, and i dont think the outfits shown are all trash
I think they were going for a Rachel Berry kind of vibe but man some episodes I was asking myself "does the stylist hate her that much??" i swear to god the other girls from the cast they may have been side characters in comparison to nini but they were dressed way better
No let’s really talk about how nini really cheated on ricky fr cause ik it was ricky’s idea to TAKE A BREAK… but when you take a break in a relationship your still together it’s basically a separation in a marriage but anyways she literally cheated on him with ej and then turned around and stole him from gina cause as soon as she heard gina was leaving she pounced like a damn dog
OMGGG I LITERALLY SAID THIS YESTERDAY AND I THOUGHT IT WAS ONLY MEE, HE SAID A BREAK AND THEN SHE JUST GETS WITH ANOTHER GUY?
In the first episode he literally talks about how he saw other girls over the summer they were apart?? If getting with EJ counts as cheating then so does that lmaooo
@@posingnpuns ik they both cheated on each other
@@posingnpuns he said he hung out with some girls but he talked about nini the entire time so he probably didn't even make out with them like i wouldn't kiss/make out/whatever with a guy that talks about his ex???girlfriend constantly
@@posingnpunshe said he was only talkin about Nini to them
…Am I feeling sympathy for Ricky Bowen? Wow this is insane.
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Literally 💀
wdym
why wouldn’t u?
she's js a regular teenager she's not a menace 😭
True..
I used to "like" her in season 1, or atleast I was blind to her flaws since she was the main character next to Ricky.
But ever since season 2 I couldn´t stand her! She is so self absorbed while also being incredibly bland and boring. Honestly she should have been gone after season 2 already, her scenes in season 3 are completely pointless and I always skip the whole thing with her dad, because what´s the point? Her goodbye in season 3 is kinda ok I guess, but that´s it.
And oh my god, her relationship with Ricky! How were they EVER friends?! She is unable to show compassion and empathy, and she doesn´t understand why Ricky has the issues he has despite allegedly knowing him so well. She is just the worst.
I agree completely
I THOUGHT I WAS HALLUCINATING IN SEASON 2
i could not stand nini whenever she made an interaction with ricky. i thought it was just the writers creating conflict, and i never considered her toxic.
@@bananaxoonana8131 In some ways I appreciate season 2 and how completely Ricky and Nini as a couple crashed and burned, it showed us very well that it wasn´t just that one moment pre-season 1 with Ricky not saying I love you.
Both of them, at the point they are in season 2, just SUCK at communicating.
It just paints Nini infinitely worse than Ricky because atleast Ricky TRIED to talk through stuff with her. And she was kinda gaslighting him and making him into the issue
She’s like Rachel from Glee
She’s literally the worst main character 😭😭😭
No what the actual WTFWTF
To be honest I felt like she wasn’t the true main character it was Gina always been Gina if I’m being honest like show looking back at the season 1-4 it’s always been Gina
She’s like Rachel from Glee
u don’t get out much
@@caitlingill nah more like Santana
Honestly they should have just turned her into a villain if she stayed
they prolly were gonna but then... she left...
wqtching this video though is like a beatiful villan backstory
I think she would’ve just naturally become one tbh, she was certainly on her way to it-beyond her relationship with Ricky, the way she abandoned the drama club during the dance off and then said they should perform her song even if it gets them disqualified showed a complete lack of community, which is what HSMTMTS ended up being about by the end: community, belonging, acceptance. By the end of s2, she had stopped being a team player and had become completely self-focused. Even back in s1, I think they messed up her character by giving her the ambition to leave Salt Lake City. That put her in direct conflict with ever being able to have a healthy relationship with Ricky-someone with abandonment issues.
By contrast, while Gina has ambitions, she also seeks stability and a sense of home, and is more like Ricky in being afraid of change because she’s experienced so much of it. Ricky and Gina were able to understand each other on a fundamental level and find a strong sense of home and community in the drama club that Nini never reached, because her being in the drama club was about herself and her ambitions.
@@thylionheart Great points
No can do the nini stans would come after Tim there are just too many of them 💀
She was so hypocritical by telling ricky and literally jumping on him for taking things not professional but in opening night she couldn’t even keep professional when ricky wasnt troy and then obviously the scene you showed in the rehearsal.
And she doesn’t know how to apologise, is self absorbed, and literally didnt care abt ricky and his problems but she only decided to care when gina and ricky came together for thanksgiving?
Gina’s outfits were absolutely AMAZING though 😌
HONESTLY I WAS SO GLAD WHEN SHE WAS GONE, THE SHOW GOT SO MUCH BETTER
Nini is such a problem child
I’m realizing Nini and Dean from Gilmore Girls have way too much in common, they should both be hated by the masses
Thank you, I thought I hallucinated that Nini was self centered after seeing quite a few posts that Ricky and Nini should’ve been endgame. Absolutely no hate to Olivia, I love her, but damn Nini was a menace. The sheer number of times she gaslit Ricky is outstanding 😂
THANK YOU FOR THIS SHE WAS THE WORST. So self absorbed, she made everything about herself consistently.
Edit: just saying it now it's clear some people never think critically about the media they consume. To me, Nini is a poorly written, unlikable character. Just because someone is a protagonist does not mean you have to like them. Even if you disagree with this the video pretty clearly shows why one could dislike her.
No I liked her
@@mirr0rball_13_ how
@@karynalovesyou4615 bc I liked her
she never made anything about herself 😭 y’all just mad she was the main character and was in every scene they did.
@@oliviabedumb frr
she reminds me of rachel berry and not in a good way(love olivia tho)
bruh, watching this video I thought she was evil, but I started watching HSMTMTS after finishing it and these clips are ALL SO OUT OF CONTEXT OMG
Honestly I think that most of these “toxic” moments were just meant for comedic effect 😭
right!! like y'all gettin mad and it's meant to be funny. thats how i saw it while i was watching and i thought she did a great job!
@@maimunaali3072 same! The only thing I can think of that was definitely wrong of her was to rebrand herself (with the intent of trying to escape ricky) without explaining to him what was going on and invalidating his feelings.
Also the part where they were like "SIT DOWN!?!!???!" how is that toxic? ō-ô
@@maimunaali3072well it wasnt funny?? It just made her suck.
you're so real for this, thank you!! every point made in this video is SO true and omg yes nini was actually the biggest nuisance. i'm so happy i'm not the only one to find her truly intolerable.
Not gonna lie, I really loved Nini. Problematic or not, she was really funny. I know there may have been some toxic relationship problems between them in the next season’s second half, but in spite of that, I would’ve granted another chance whether it was bumpy or not! I’m really upset she left.
Problem is she did not improve at all. In season 2, she kinda lost spirit? At least that’s how I saw it. I could tell she wanted to go do her own thing. And I’m sure we all kinda could. I’m glad she had a little farewell. Would have been nice if she said goodbye but her story was definitely over
@@imgonnaputsomedirtinureyedabs I think Olivia's music success ruined Nini's potential as a character. Not blaming Olivia (I love her music and glad she found success) but it feels like the show just brushed off any future storyline for Nini in the middle of the season and started preparing for her exit. It also seemed like Olivia herself had checked out towards the end of the season.
sameeee
It’s for the best
Tbf Nini was at YAC for over a month. From January 1st to February 13th (tho wouldn’t officially decide to leave YAC until the following week)
wow a month and 12 days
u can get pissed off quite easily and know its not the place for u in 6 weeks @
The more I saw this video it made so much sense Nini is bad at communicating and never apologizes for anything like what 😭
is that she was selfish and only cared about her solo career
@@Pablito-fi1ip that too
ricky is terrible at communication. she never had to apologise.
@@oliviascamden no I get that I agree I’m saying whatever mistakes she made she never apologized
i just know for a fact half the people complaining abt this video r olivia stans
why is it so hard for y'all to believe people can like a character without it being because of the actress? it's not like nini killed someone ffs. it seems more like y'all are the ones who can't separate the character from the actress
I HAD TO SCROLL THROUGH AT LEAST 10 MINUTES LOOKING FOR THIS COMMENT OMG
I liked the show SO much better after she left. And even after season 4 aired and she wasn’t in it I was like, “Was she even grateful for this opportunity?”
THANK YOU FOR THIS VIDEO. I’m so glad I’m not the only one who finds Nini insufferable. 😂
She’s like Rachel from Glee
@@caitlingill Oh come on, that's an exageration. Rachel's level of selfishness is unreachable.
@@nanalove3819 I said “like” not “the same as”
@@caitlingill still an exageration. This comparison isn't fair
says a lot about u because she is harmless af
The comment section should be called "Teenage fans of a series aimed at teenagers realize teenagers are insufferable because we're all immature and don't know how to handle other people's emotions, let alone our own"
9:13 EXACTLY tEll me WHY GINA IS APOLOGETICALLY Apologising
she tried to make Ricky and Gina into villains, but look at Courtney’s sense of style when she was around 😭Ashley was just a yes man like the show did better without her
it's been four years since i've watched the first season so i didn't really remember how toxic nini really was since the beginning. i'm so happy gina was the mc in the 3-4th seasons and rina was endgame.
how to like a video a million times
Why do I not remember nini being this annoying 😭😭
Her toxic traits were so fun to watch and it was something I missed when she left the show
Yeah, me too…it was played for comedic purposes, but she does need to work on her communication skills better. Still, I’m very upset she left.
Watching this makes me want to re watch season one but dang I didnt really realize how bad she was 😭
Honestly agreed. I would've loved to see Nini be a hot mess in season 3 and 4 😭
Thank you for this I feel this way I really don't get why there are too many Nini fans a lot I see is Nini overhyped by fans of HSMTMTS I'm a diffrent kind of fan that is not a Nini fan I am happy she never appeared once in the final season 4 I got no hate for Oliva Rodrigo as I am obsessed with her music but I don't like Nini at all.
Don’t know why I like these types of characters 😭😭😭😭
the show got so much better without nini, i love olivia thooo
She’s a literal menace but all these scenes make like her sm more 😭
Not to mention that every season a big character moment of hers was just undid the next season. Got back together with Ricky? Let's break them up again. Came back to Salt Lake after making the decision to leave? Let's make sure she leaves for sure next time.
Nini is giving Rachel Berry and idk how to handle that after watching this vid.
P.S. SHE EVEN DRESSES LIKE S1-3 RACHAEL BERRY I CAN'T 😭💀🤣
So glad she left and we got too see more of Gina, Ashlyn and Kourtney instead. S3 and 4 were the best seasons by far.
Now that you put it all back to back to back to back like this
GIRL
I have to defend my boy Richard sometimes (he’s still not off for what he did to Gina)
what did he do....?
What did he do to Gina?
WAIT STOP YOU HAVE QUITE A POINT HERE. AND 4:01 I SWEAR I THINK THAT EVERY TIME I SEE ITTT
To make my own response to a certain comment on the video, I wouldn’t say she was self-absorbed per-say. She was just bad at handling relationships I think (especially with the first Rini breakup and the fact that she didn’t think about what problems Ricky might’ve been having with possibly his parents, and her breaking up with EJ WHICH, (sorry) by the way alone shows an example, in my opinion, of a terrible girlfriend (coming from a guy who’s never been in a relationship before, but still I’ve seen very good relationships play out in other media, though) and also believe me when I say that I have definitely seen way, WAY better relationships with girlfriends than Nini.
Seems pretty self absorbed to me
@@avviuu She was being self absorbed whenever it was a scene like with Ricky when they were in the room playing the piano, but for others however, not exactly.
@@SpideyMike2023 So 1/2 self absorbed
@@avviuu Mmmmm, well I guess.
The problem is that she shows self-absorbed tendencies in regards to other people, too. The “I get that” or “I understand” and then immediately talking about herself or changing the topic to involve herself is something she does to and about other characters-Kourtney, Gina, off the top of my head. A lot of the selfish traits in this video aren’t just when she’s interacting with her boyfriends/exes, but other characters. That’s what makes her self-absorbed and not just bad at romantic relationships.
I’m telling u and y’all see why I picked gina in the beginning she’s my number 1 im glade Ricky ends with Gina at the end
i will always be pissed that everyone acted like ricky was obligated to say “i love you” back…
i support women's rights but most importantly i support women's wrongs!
Nini can be self-absorbed,
but Olivia Rodrigo is amazing, I love her so much!
she’s so petty it’s actually so funny omg 😭😭
I mean, the video had some great points, but it wasn't just some lighthearted fun directed at fictional characters because it ends with insulting the wardrobe department, so I guess you indeed "love degrading women(/people)"
someone said it THANK GOD
SHE IS JUST A TEENAGER
THE CHARACTER WAS JUST A TEENAGER!!!!!!!!! What would you say about Ashley from High School Musical?????
Y’all should chill
She is a TEENAGER WITH FEELINGS AND EMOTIONS AND ITS ALL OVER THE PLACE
SENSITIVE???
Ok but fr like why was her outfits thee worst of everyone lmao they had beef with nini 💀
People always put olvia with nini so people like rini because they like joliva but if you actauly watch the show you could see that nini was always the problem
Nini seems like someone who, if you break up with her, will write a bunch of angry songs about you.
YOU DID NOT DO THAT💀
And date a crybaby football player
FRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR They did Olivia so dirty with the way Nini was written😭
safe to say, I did not miss her once in s4 or the majority of s3
She was litterally so annoying😭, im happy that ricky ended up with gina
0:38 This is actually iconic.
I hated her but now I miss her 💀😭
Why must I let a video on the internet change my perspective on a fictional disney channel character???
I’m still dying after MmMmmmm lol
HSMTMTS ends after season one.
This video made me realize I like Olivia Rodrigo, NOT Nini 😀
Y’all do realize she’s supposed to be a high school student right? As far as I remember there is not a single high school student who is not a problem
True. She's still unlikeable though. Ricky is a horrible boyfriend, manipulative, and has a whole hosts of problems, but his motivations are somewhat understandable. They never really tell us anything about nini, and in the first season it's kinda like she exists only to respond to the things Ricky's going through/ to create more plot. If they had actually given her a storyline outside of her relationship and outside of school, it might have been different. But going off what we've seen, she really does just seem like a self centered brat 😭😭
Liv played this character so well but GOD Nini was so insufferable sometimes.
THE OUTFIT SLANDER I CANNOT
This is why Gina on top
I will always be a nini defender idc
like she’s just a teen girl
It ain’t even about that though it’s about the lack of context in these clips
her style was so bad but i guess they thought it made her quirky and relatable
i really like olivia as an artist but honest to god i disliked her character nini by a lot, she was a real mean girl with brown hair, i think this is one of the reasons i never shipped rini just cringed, rina for hsmtmts and forever after that!
Nini was my favorite character.. but i’m crying now 😭😭😭
stopped the show on season 1 because I HATED her. so when she leaves, does it get better?
I think so yea
Yes
Well…her middle name is *Salazar* as in *Salazar Slytherin🐍*
I CANNOT I GENUINELY THOUGHT IT WAS ONLY ME AND MY SISTER WHO THOUGHT THIS
i forgot how cringe she was and now i'm having secondhand embarrassment. i'm glad i switched lanes to gina
i just realized i literally have gina's water bottle that nini stole😭😭🤣
now do a video about how they absolutely ruined Ashlyn's character
how
How?
Girl literally went back to East High to leave it again
Just say you wanted fame from the beginning
She loves attention
That’s why she’s threatened by Gina who doesn’t command it but gets it easily
Saying she loves someone for likes and then forcing them to say it back when they don’t love her
Girl bye
Why did I realize this
I've never watched hsm but I couldn't even last five minutes into this video 💀
Wow you even dropped her full name. That seems personal💀
as much as i LOVE olivia rewatching it nini was somethinggg 😭