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Stumpy, how can I send you $5? I just want to say thank you for all that you do and don't know the best way to do it! I've seen some RUclips channels with an option enabled to donate when liking a video. I can't remember the term but you should look into that option on here! I know it's only $5 but I just want to show some appreciation for everything you've taught me!
I do this with a large flush trim bit in my router table. Works great and the bearing on the bit makes it easy to set up. I have never had any problem with this set up.
i wonder why he doesn't mention that at all in the video. Surely it would be far easier to flush trim vs the setup with a jig and such.
@@keithf5236 I wonder if it's because it may be harder to use a flush trim bit with a tall panel like that. Also, this method may appeal to a wider audience as most people have a table saw, but may not have a router table setup and good flush trim bits.
I didn't mention it because this video is about a different method. Flush trim bits come with their own sets of challenges. Some may prefer those, others this.
Too much tear out imo.
What tear-out?
If the fence plywood is curved, seems to me you want the conVEX side towards the metal saw fence so the two clamps pull it straight. If you put the conCAVE side towards the saw fence you’d want the clamps in the center to straighten the bow.
I misspoke
Perhaps using three clamps would solve the problem!
Aging [75] Canadian man here. Interesting! Love the cIamps! I discovered an edge banding trick in 1963 while constructing a furniture piece in high school woodworking class. I started with a part sheet of expensive 3/4" oak veneer plywood. I had adjusted the design dimensions of my little side-table with drawer to ensure that I'd have enough scraps of plywood that I could glue the veneer side of the scraps to the plywood edges that would otherwise be visible in the final table. Before final assembly, I did your 1/8" wider trick to rip edge veneer strips with lots of excess to be removed later. Planing & sanding the glued-on upside-down veneer was tricky because the veneer layer was very thin, but patience is a virtue. My instructor gave me top marks for the final result. That was also my first time using classical stain & filler & 'modern' polyurethane varnish to finish the wood. I still have that little table beside my recliner in my living room. Sixty years ago! How time flies!
Great story!
So nice to see a craftsman who knows what he’s about… and who is able to explain not just the how, but also the why.
So good I watched it a 2nd time as a refresher. Thanks for putting this together in the humble, well-paced straight to the point presentation style that keeps me coming back (sometimes twice for the same video). Thanks James for your commitment to making us better makers.
I especially appreciate that great tip for a simple and reliable way to get a threaded insert into wood *straight*!! Thanks.
The threaded insert tip trick is awesome! thanks for sharing
Brother, each time i watch a video-its one step closer to woodworking perfection. Thank you.
Thanks for sharing James. Great ideas for using hardwood facing on cabinet shelves, used that years ago and no sagging on any of the shelves. Thanks for the sharing of the jig for sawing the facing and sides too. Stay safe and keep up the good work and videos. Fred.
Excellent! I like to edge plywood, but usually employ Heath-Robinson methods (e.g., wedging with clothes peg halves) when glueing up. Those edge banding clamps are genius.
Thanks for sharing..never miss your videos..no BS, easy to understand and apply to my projects and always works as explained..found these clamps and plan on acquiring..thanks again!
This is a great tip. The last set of these I did I used maple for the thicker edge banding as I wanted support for the plywood shelves. And, I do shop at Taylor tools, another good tip. I didn't have the jig, I need to make one of those. Good stuff as always.
Love that Harvey saw. Wonderful product placement.
Cool idea Stumpy! And relatively easy too. Thank you. 😊😊😊
I have built a lot of utility shelves gluing solid wood to plywood and other sheet goods. One can make the wood a bit taller to prevent objects from falling off the shelves and significantly stiffen by going an inch or more below the plywood. All it takes a dado and rounding over the corners.
Nice.😎
Dang it, just glued up 4 shelves, this is such a great way to do this!!!! Also your videos are called money videos because it costs me every time!!!! Thanks James
Thank you for sharing a better way for edge banding. Can't wait to try it. Thank you!
Excellent tips, James! Thanks a bunch! 😃
Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
Great idea, great jig. Very practical alternative to router table. Thanks a bunch!
It can be done with a a hand plane too. Thank you for the idea of making plywood stronger.
This info was perfect for me. Thanks buying the clamps today. Making the jig soon.
Thanks Stumpy Nubs.
At 6:20 you said to put the "CONCAVE" side of the jig against the fence. I believe you meant the "CONVEX" side, so that when you tighten both ends, the plywood jig will straighten.
I misspoke. I meant convex toward the fence.
Convex side should go against the fence. That way when you tighten the board against the fence, you actually have 3 points of contact with the middle of the convex being held firmly against the fence. If it were the other way around, i.e., you would then need that third clamp (at the apex of the concave shape) to make certain you've pulled the board flat against the fence .
As Stumby Nubs has already stated, he mispoke in the video.
A good editor is hard to find. It seems some of your viewers pay attention so you don’t have to hire an editor.
I like that you don’t frown on cheaper solid wood alternatives like plywood. You’re not elitist and it keeps your channel accessible and open to folks with less resources. Thank you!
Cheap and plywood should not be used in the same sentence post 2020
Not sure plywood is cheaper than the analogous solid wood. More like FAR more expensive, especially baltic birch is sky level, has surpassed the african okume plywood which used to be the expensive option in my country.
Thanks again for your ideas. I always learn something to make my shop time more productive. Julien.
Another great video. A very interesting jig.
Using a table saw to flush trim gives me ideas for other projects but for this, I think I would prefer to plane it out for a smoother edge. Thanks for the idea/ concept.
Of course Tay Tools makes good edge clamps. I have yet to have a problem with anything I've purchased from them.
I work as a cabinet maker and for every job with shelves we use ply for shelves with a 10mm thick lipping then just belt sand it flush. Easy and fast
As always great tips showing different ways to do things for different people. Love Taylor Tools.have been buying things from them since I started watching your videos a couple years ago thanks for sharing as always. When are you going to do another episode of Cool tool ?
I love Taylor Tools. I just put another order in yesterday.
Using the table saw jig to flush trim edging is a great idea, particularly when there's lots of edging to do, as in making an armoire or bookcase. However, in my opinion, the feather board should always be used. My favorite method of flush trimming edging, particularly for smaller jobs, is to use a 1/2 " flat faced router bit, of the type that would be used to mortise a hinge. The router itself (a small, 1/4" trim router works well) should be mounted on an accessory base so that the face of the router bit cuts only the trim piece. The accessory base of the router rides on the face of the plywood that is being edged. However, whatever power tool is used (table saw or router), the goal should NOT be to cut the trim flush with plywood. Instead, the edge trimming material should be left very slightly proud, about 1/64 of an inch, so it can then be trimmed perfectly flush with a card scraper and sanded smooth for an almost invisible seam.
Excellent video
I've started making Taylor Tools my first (virtual) stop when looking for shop stuff. I like the idea of helping support a US, family-run business. Disclaimer: Taylor Tools has no idea I even exist - other than being a customer.
Hi Stumpy. I can appreciate your support of small businesses, but for the edge-band clamp, an alternative is to get some standard spring hand clamps and a used bicycle inner tube. These come in various diameters, and if you go to any bike store and ask for some inner tubes with puncture holes, they will hand them to you for free. Then, cut the tube in about 4-6" lengths and slip the ends into the grabby part of the spring clamp. Then put them on just as you've done in your video. Yes, these are not as good as the ones you demonstrated, but they are significantly less expensive and do a fine job. I've been using these for many, many years.
Thanks for information
My favourite trick when applying a hardwood edge banding and I care about the look is to apply a veneer all over the top surface of the same species as the edge. It now looks like a solid piece of timber. Another trick is to cut short pieces off the end of the banding and glue them all together to get to attach to the ends to get "end grain". Then even at a second glance it looks solid.
What a great jig it’s a brilliant idea. And I have started buying from Taylor Toolworks his prices are great and shipping to Oz isn’t that bad.
I love the edge banding. I do not like having to buy special clamps but wow, the Taylor clamps are really very reasonable.
If you’re banding multiple pieces of plywood you glue 2 at a time where you put the front edge of the solid banding with face to face on each pieces and use panels clamps or f style clamps, which can work faster anyways if you have a lot of pieces to do
Unfortunately out of stock as of 11-23-23.
6:27 Seems like putting the _convex_ side against the fence would give a better chance of pulling the ends to make it flat.
Yes, I said it backwards.
Thank you.
That's a great idea !. Thank you
Thanks - great video. I have "sized" raw plywood edges with thinned PVA glue. Left things so that the glue does not completely dry - then coat with unthinned PVA - then clamp banding as usual. This has never failed me. When it's time to trim, I use a Virutex trimmer (kind of a small power plane - forget the model) - super fast and completely flush finish - yes, it was expensive, but it just saves so much time !! Love your videos - greetings from Vancouver Island B.C. Canada - Ken.
Nice clamps
I need to pick some of those up!
A new twist to the L-Fence. I like it!
I do this basically the same way except I like to glue a much thicker piece to the edge that I can clamp with pipe clamps. Once it’s dry I cut it down to the thickness I want. But when it comes to cutting off the excess banding I change out my saw blade to a very thin skill saw blade so that I don’t waste so much wood. I love this method.
Good video, thanks for making it!
Bookshelves requires tons of strength and the best video I saw to strengthen the shelf is to route or table saw a dado 1/8" thick on 2 pieces of plywood and glue them together with a strip of mild steel in the grove. You get a super strong shelf but it looks 100% wood.
I use a similar jig set up on my router table with a flush trim bit. I have an auxiliary fence that sits about 1/2” above the bed. So the lip of the edge banding rides underneath and the veneer is riding against the bearing and the fence. With a feather board it works great.
Great advice on the clamps. Tape definitely works but it can quickly become expensive going through a roll of tape on every big cabinet job
Another great idea. I saw the vid when it came out, and am glad for the review. Gonna use it on a project now in the shop.
Also, happy to echo your shout-out to TayTools! I look forward to their emails. Christmas catalog to a kid!
Mike Taylor's jig is great but I used YOUR L fence to flush trim hundreds of feet of edge banding for my kitchen. That worked great too!
If I’m in the field using this method a lot of times I’ll glue the solid wood edge then use the 23 gauge nailer and stagger the pins at slightly different angles, but most of the time clamps are king 👑
When applying glue to plywood edge apply once, wait and apply again to allow the wood to absorb the moisture. Gives a better bond.
Great tips for making an easy and successful edge from natural wood! I have used similar techniques, with great success. I also cut end grain to glue to the ends of the plywood, to make it look more like a real board. Plywood surface veneer itself will not look like a real board (unless you do some artistic things with brushes, different stains and paints). But those ends pop with end grain banding!
Sneaky. I like that idea.
I have used a fence attachment that i screw to the side of my fence. But the flush trimming technique is identical. It's fast and super easy and great for a variety of panel sizes
I actually use 1/4" strips that are if the species that my plywood is made from or the veneer attached to the Baltic birch plywood panel. What i use for strips are pieces that are ripped from an unplaned plank, jointing the edge, bandsawing a strip, jointing, band sawing, and so on until I have sufficient 1/4" strips. These are then put through a thickness planer to smooth both sides.
What is left is a slightly wider strip, unfinished on each edge. I have a fixture that accounts for 1/2 the extra width of the banding and slippage is constrained.
Once the glue is dried, trimming the rough, unplaned edge gets rid of all the sawmill marks, leaving a very nice edge band.
Love the video, very practical and useful.
Some great tips, thanks. You must have an enormous storage area somewhere for all your specialist tools and jigs.
This is wild. I really dig that jig. 😊
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Great video. 👍 Thank you
Thanks, Stumpy. I just finished four cabinets that will require shelves. The shelves will be edge banded using the techniques and fixtures that you presented here. Thank you for sharing. Have a great day and stay safe.🙂🙂 PS, I'll be ordering the band clamps too.👌👌
Brilliant!
that's a great idea
Good stuff!
I'm surprised to find no mention of the Collins Plywood Prep Router Bit, it can definitely make taping a solid wood edge
(in conjunction with a biscuit ever 6 - 8") a viable and quite professional option. I wouldn't do this type of glue-up without one.
Seems it would be FANTASTIC with the rubber band clamps used here.
I agree with you approach of thicker edge banding. I dont like that jig. Seems like a lot could go wrong. I like to use a router with a large bit - i think it is called a bowl carving bit. I put the router in a plywood jig to go over the board and set the bit depth to just be flush with the base of the jig. The curved edge of the bit prevents tearout and gouging. It works great
I made my own bandy clamps using 1 inch spring clamps and a bicycle tube. Comes out to a little over a dollar each.
Thanks.
Thank you for your videos. It would be awesome to see how you handle banding on pre-finished plywood!
band it the same way, then wipe on some poly.
@@StumpyNubs Sorry for the delay, my bad. I've yet to try using pre-finished plywood. But getting read to start a project using it. And just trying to figure out the dynamics of finishing the banding without effecting the pre-finish? This would be an awesome video!
Again, many thanks
I built an adjustable router jig for for trimming thick edge band. Setting the router on it's side and using a flush trim bit I can quickly run a board on it's flat. The bearing along with push downs I made from skate board wheels on the in feed and out feed keeps any slightly bowed board completely flat. Like your table saw jig, there is a space between the feed table and the fence for under extending banding to pass. Unlike your table saw jig, I can pass very long and large panels.
Cool!
a man of your ability and beautiful expensive planes just do it by hand
I don't make videos for me, I make them for you.
Nice
I like those clamps! Much faster for some things than wrapping it with a rubber band strip! Jig is cool too! 👍👍
I like also making a router pattern on the edge...either a sawtooth or just t&g . Doubles the glue surface and forces alignment. 1.5 - 3x stronger too.jpk
I think Taylor Woodworks products would be very popular in Australia
BigBox carries screen molding, 1/4x3/4, pine, oak, poplar, just proud enough of nominal ply thickness to insure full coverage of the edge. The molding is rounded on the two exposed sides, and easily sanded flush with the plywood without burning off the beauty ply. In some cases, leaving the edge banding a bit proud on the upper surface of a shelf can provide a stop to prevent things from rolling off the shelf.
I find that sprinkling a tiny bit of sand onto the glue after I lay it down really decreased the amount of creep when I clamp the wood down. The sand grains act like tiny claws digging into both surfaces of the wood, locking them together.
Or salt
I'm a beginner. Your scrap wood is my good wood 😂
The Woodpecker has an interesting technique where he uses a triangular piece for edge banding. That means you have to route a corresponding triangle on your ply edge but you can get the appearance of a thin band while having the rigidity of a thicker one.
Poplar and Maple might not work in the real world, but on video, it was a great way to emphasize your point by showing a distinction between the two boards.
Yes, I wouldn't use poplar. It's not stiff enough to add strength.
Aww man, I wish I saw that threaded insert trick before I did my router table. I ended up busting a couple of them because they were so brittle.
Waiting for the glue to set up a bit will help with slipping. Cool clamps though. Folding one edge of the tape helps with removal so that's probably the best way to go if you're already catching flak from the missus about spending more money on the hobby that was supposed to save money by building your own furnishings 😅😅
This could also be done with an L fence. Great idea as usual.
Sold out. Stumpy effect
Still sold out as of 11-23-23. I sent them an email to see when they're going to restock.
I actually find the color contrast of the two different woods quite appealing
I'd put the convex face of the plywood against the fence, because the clamps toward the ends of the jig will pull those ends back and flatten the entire jig against the fence. If you have the convex face against the fence, you risk having some of the the bow remain in the jig with the ends clamped.
I love the look of exposed ply if it s good quality i.e no voids
If you put the warped side against the fence and it is the middle that touches first so the ends can pulled flat by the clamps you show, that is the convex side. The motion you made with your hands was concave, but that would mean the clamps would NOT pull it flat. :)
Hey Stumpy, I'm a bit late on this one, but I have a few planned projects where I would like to show off the edges of the plywood used to make them as an intentional aesthetic decision! Do you have any tutorial videos, or could you plan on making such a video, for getting the best visual results off of a bare plywood edge finish? I plan to use the good thin-ply maple-veneered stuff that can be found at Lowe's for (hopefully) best results. :)
Hey! MY name is Mike Taylor! I didn't even know we were friends! Hey Bubby!
I don't have a table saw but I believe I could do the trimming with a router on a support board / aluminium ruller
Edge banding veneer is impossible to get where I am. I use fascia board which is slightly thicker than the ply wood I'm using. I rip it lengthwise into strips about 15mm wide and apply it to the edge. I can trim the overhang off with a trim router and if I want to get fancy two passes with a half round bit gives a nice decorative edge.
At 6:30 you said to place the concave side of the plywood against the fence so it would be pulled flat. I think it would be better if the convex side was there.
Paul A
Another Great video . Curious why you didnt use L-fence for the trimming ? I learnt about it from your old video and built one .. works awesome for these kind of trimming .. plus other stuff as well
Different videos show different techniques. It's what makes this channel great ;)
Clever.
I recently ordered a set of chisels from them.
Or sandwich one thick enough strip between two boards, then cut on the center of the strip.
Stumpy, really need your help here (and sorry that this isn't that relevant to the video):
What joint would you recommend for something that should hold at least 350kg (770lbs) without needing glue or metal parts, or that won't be attached to the ground (floor) in any way?
I'm also fairly new to woodworking so the simpler joint the better (but of course willing to learn anything that would achieve this).
The structure would be made out of 100x100 (4x4) wooden beams and be 125cm width and length, and a height of 220cm. There would also be three 100x100 (4x4) support beams on the ground level.
I'd really appreciate some feedback from an experienced woodworker that really knows their stuff! :)
Would adding a Formica laminate to the surface of that jig help in passing the stock through the saw?
That was a great tip, as always. Thank you for sharing it.