That comment that depression is a form of anger towards oneself is total bs. I found the "evidence" exonerating him came from him. His concern for her to her friends by him could easily be his plan to show he cared. I'm not convinced of his innocence.
Bla bla bla women are just as much to blame for affairs why is it always the man who gets it in the neck in this kind of situation and women get made out like they never do nothing wrong and they’re victims.
Watched lots of these Rough Justice documentaries and it always seems obvious the person is innocent and makes you think how on earth they were convicted. With this one I don't feel very convinced at all that he was innocent and that it was suicide.
Thanks so much for this and the great channel uploads too. I’ve been trying to get a hold of as many rough justice eps as I can. Finding it very hard with the exception of what is uploaded to RUclips. The one I’m really desperate to get is “Code of Silence” and “A bikers Tale” Is there any way you have a link or way of getting this? I’ve contacted BBC archives and BFI but no luck. But I’ve seen clips from it so it must be out there somewhere. Any help at all would be appreciated.
Just think, if he had been faithful in his first marriage none of those things would have happened and he'd still be out being a doctor to horses. He brought the whole miserable business on himself, whether he is innocent or guilty, and now the poor children are motherless and also have a father who can't be with them. None of us is perfect and only the couple in the marriage really know the truth but selfish actions have ripple effects which have unforeseen consequences. Such a sad story.
Yes,, that’s exactly what I took from this. A man who dares to venture into extra-marital relations deserves to have his entire life destroyed under a cloud of murderous accusations. You should seek help Marilyn
Even though I don't know yet, if the vet is been cleared or not, I've enjoyed the show.Please keep bringing them. This man might be either a messy professional (which I strongly doubt it) or a very lucky dude who may be out thanks to the incompetence of the police and the prosecutors. I wonder how that little community will feel f this vet is found innocent. In any case I wouldn't live in this "perfect place to raise a family" where my neighbours might decide to don't like me, for whatever the reason. Greetings from Toronto.
I remember this case really well because i houseshared with a journalist covering the case at the time. He attended Court etc & was firmly convinced the husband was guilty as sin. You don't choose to die by injection when you have a fear of needles!
Can vets treat chest infections in humans? I certainly wouldn't trust any vet to do this. MRCVS or FRCVS is insufficient to practise medicine on humans in the UK.
No-one can practice medicine on the general public without being properly qualified to do so, but you can treat yourself and your family. It would be odd indeed and not in the public interest if a mother was prosecuted for treating her children's minor illnesses, and similarly a wife or husband normally gives their spouse medical attention including over the counter drugs. In the past doctors have routinely treated their relatives without it being deemed inappropriate. Where it starts to get blurry is if you have legitimate access to restricted drugs, is it appropriate to use them if needed? It would not be in the public interest to prosecute a pharmacist who injects his own son with adrenaline in an emergency situation. But giving antibiotics or painkillers is more subtle. If a wife has legitimate access to strong painkillers and her husband has a sever tooth infection and a dentist appointment the next day, is it wrong for her to give her husband a painkiller? Would it not be excessively cruel to refuse to give him any treatment if she can do so? However it does then open the door to potential accusations of misconduct. It isn't necessarily as straightforward as it seems.
Beware of having an affair with a married person. Good chance you’ll get dumped for someone else. Too bad her friends didn’t step in and advocated for her by calling the police and getting her a doctor.
Very complex, as a vet he would've known he'd be exposed by toxicology. He surely would've thought up a subtler way. Moral of the story, live by the marriage wrecking, die by the marriage wrecking. If this had been a working class man he wouldn't have got out after three years, Eddie Gilfoyle did nearly twenty
It takes two to tango. Having worked in very male dominated corporate as a contractor for years, i found it staggering how predatory the married men were. They don't even bother being discreet. It's all just an ego trip & extra sex to them: & the deluded women they pick think it's love.
@@sarahholland2600 Oh yes. I worked in a male dominated environment and affairs were treated like a hobby. Many of them went home to find their door locks changed and their bags on the doorstep. Then they were all tears and remorse.
Rebecca Sweet : in the event one is trying to blame someone else for their death, that would be an easy spot to inject anything for a person who's not really trained . As it was mention on the show, hands and feet are parts of the body where one can see veins clearly. For your information: drug addicts who try to hide their vice, usually inject themselves between their toes, or any part of their feet easily covered even wearing flip-flops.
That is 4 or 5 of the most ludicrous, asinine things anyone has ever said! You just make things up and pretend you're an expert? To what end? For what gain? Have you done something to a loved one so are feeling guilty and sensitive? Has the vet been giving you injections in your rear end? Shame, shame, shame! Defending someone who hurt the mother of his children. How low can you go? I suspect given a little time you'll show us!
It's not about hiding the drug use, it's running out of veins they can still use. Veins on the top of the feet are quite large and easy to access. After they block and collapse, it's the groin and under the findernails🤢
Not convinced that someone would choose to commit suicide in that way. I think the husband probably did do it, but there are certainly question marks. Interesting case. Hope the three children are OK, they would all be in their thirties by now.
Crikey, that immobillon was powerful stuff. You had to draw up the reversing agent, Revivon, before you even attempted to draw up the immobillon. The smallest amount in your bloodstream would be lethal!
Karma. Imagine what his first wife went through when she was having an affair with *her* husband. I have no sympathy for her. She ruined his first marriage and Katherine ruined her's. The only victim is his first wife. Ryan, Sandra and Katherine deserved each other.
Don't buy it. "Expert" defence witnesses look too sleazy and I assume they were all very well paid. Edit Added to that , the fact that he decided to finish the relationship on Dec 24th portrays emotional cruelty and I could go on.....
You do understand that this is a 'reconstruction ? The words are read or acted. At this time we still had some dignity and standards and court business was considered deadly serious enough to not be televised'.
in my criminologist criticism and regarding the documentary and evidences showed THE HUSBAND DID EVERYTHING TO LOOK SUICIDE? MURDER AGAISNT HUSBAND? regarding friends she never said nothing about suicide. Plus, husband came back hoem as no money and to finish her poisoning. And Catherine is complice. how convenient she found the note from Sandra. Do not forget she was drugged tired, losing consciousness, so, i believe husband helped her out to write that CONVNIENT note, paper? found after murder, later, when husband appeal is launched.
Sandra was so upset about the affair she should have known how the first wife felt when they were having an affair when they met, I think she's done a great job of setting him up, when I was nursing drug addicted patients we had to check visitors trying to sneak in drugs for them after leaving we had to check patients for needle marks between the toes and in the eyes where they would pull the eyelids down and inject them drug of choice was mostly heroine in those days and these stupid so called friends if she said she didn't trust him you get her a doctor and police whether either of them want to or not I don't believe he's stupid enough to make it so obvious that it only takes an autopsy to show the drugs how's the front of the next wife to marry him in jail!!!! His marriages runs on affairs the only victims here is the children as usual, when my sister showed she was flattered by a married man who was asking her out my mum said in a very broad Scottish accent "Och well Mark my words girl no good would come of it I'm warning you "
Good for your mum! How can anyone think that they'd be happy standing on someone else's misery. And of course,if they betray their spouse with you it's very likely that they'll cheat on you with someone else. Why wouldn't they? You've shown your moral standards 🤷
Yes, because all women are maternal, caring and nurturing.... like Myra Hindley, Rosemary West, Beverley Allitt, Joanna Dennehy, Amelia Dyer, Kathryn Smith etc............
bubsy bubbles : come down from the "women can't do wrong" pedestal you climbed. That woman was depressed and in her condition chances are she wasn't thinking clearly, let alone worrying about anybody else but herself, which happens to be the norm with people living in this condition. Other little thing to put into consideration is that there are a lot of mothers who shouldn't be, depression or not.
Let's be honest...Sandra was a p.o.s herself who ran into a bigger p.o.s...his first wife he divorced...must have thought wow that was expensive and being a selfish monster kills this other p.o.s Sandra instead of divorcing again
Plus in his first interview, thw husband said quote '' i know how easy is found evidences of poising , drugging, '' SO ??? why he needs to justify? so, doctor vet made the opposite. husband did to looks like sandra thought to looks suicide? murder from his husband? hahahah..please. its vident , forensic evidences, she was too drugie to inject herself, etc, etc...
This bit confused me. Don't know why she said she'd be left with nothing, seems unlikely. Plus it's usually the man who is forced to leave the home and lose custody of his kids even if it's the wife having an affair (and most women think that's perfectly reasonable-which obviously it isn't).
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My cat says she knows it was vet. They stick needles into innocent cats and make personal remarks about their weight. Cruel people.
Exactly. My cat is not 'chonky'. She's just got middle aged spread, like her owner😁
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My cat says it's just her fur.
I hate cats sly loveless faithless, eat birds and scratch babies. Loathsome
That comment that depression is a form of anger towards oneself is total bs. I found the "evidence" exonerating him came from him. His concern for her to her friends by him could easily be his plan to show he cared. I'm not convinced of his innocence.
Suicides leave their skeletons in other people's closets.
- Stephen Levine
Well said.
Thanks for this
Thanks for upload
Loved rough justice , there wasn't many programmes like it at the time so appreciate seeing it again
Being from Canada I don't have access to these shows. Thanks so much for uploading
Never heard of this show or this case. It's quite a fascinating case.
The summery is that Cheaters will always be cheaters
The lesson here is" stay the hell away from married Men
Bla bla bla women are just as much to blame for affairs why is it always the man who gets it in the neck in this kind of situation and women get made out like they never do nothing wrong and they’re victims.
Please think again Aretha
The lesson is everyone is different
The lesson should always be to stay away from someone else's husband.
Watched lots of these Rough Justice documentaries and it always seems obvious the person is innocent and makes you think how on earth they were convicted. With this one I don't feel very convinced at all that he was innocent and that it was suicide.
It is also the object of the programme,so it's not exactly unbiased in which direction it leads you.
Thanks so much for this and the great channel uploads too.
I’ve been trying to get a hold of as many rough justice eps as I can. Finding it very hard with the exception of what is uploaded to RUclips.
The one I’m really desperate to get is “Code of Silence” and “A bikers Tale”
Is there any way you have a link or way of getting this? I’ve contacted BBC archives and BFI but no luck. But I’ve seen clips from it so it must be out there somewhere.
Any help at all would be appreciated.
Just think, if he had been faithful in his first marriage none of those things would have happened and he'd still be out being a doctor to horses. He brought the whole miserable business on himself, whether he is innocent or guilty, and now the poor children are motherless and also have a father who can't be with them. None of us is perfect and only the couple in the marriage really know the truth but selfish actions have ripple effects which have unforeseen consequences. Such a sad story.
Once a cheat ..........
"He brought the whole miserable business on himself" You must be kiddin', it needs two to tango! Anyway she sounded like a disturbed person
Flip, that’s harsh!
His conviction was quashed and he was released in 1998
Yes,, that’s exactly what I took from this. A man who dares to venture into extra-marital relations deserves to have his entire life destroyed under a cloud of murderous accusations. You should seek help Marilyn
New subscriber!! Can't wait to binge watch ur YT Channel.
I believe he killed her, made it look like a suicide, I feel he should remain in prison
Surprised Rough Justice took this case up .
Why?
Even though I don't know yet, if the vet is been cleared or not, I've enjoyed the show.Please keep bringing them.
This man might be either a messy professional (which I strongly doubt it) or a very lucky dude who may be out thanks to the incompetence of the police and the prosecutors.
I wonder how that little community will feel f this vet is found innocent. In any case I wouldn't live in this "perfect place to raise a family" where my neighbours might decide to don't like me, for whatever the reason.
Greetings from Toronto.
the vet was cleared in 1998, three years after his conviction.
Police believe that had got their man. Once they decided that the investigation was left wanting.
I remember this case really well because i houseshared with a journalist covering the case at the time. He attended Court etc & was firmly convinced the husband was guilty as sin. You don't choose to die by injection when you have a fear of needles!
I was there 🎃
Andholl
I'd love to know how long it was before he was on to his next wife after got out of jail.
Can vets treat chest infections in humans? I certainly wouldn't trust any vet to do this. MRCVS or FRCVS is insufficient to practise medicine on humans in the UK.
At the moment we are not having face-to-face appts with doctors, maybe I will phone the local vet and see if he can sort my piles out for me.
@@skygazer6898 Maybe your Dr could demonstrate the application of piles cream over zoom
No-one can practice medicine on the general public without being properly qualified to do so, but you can treat yourself and your family. It would be odd indeed and not in the public interest if a mother was prosecuted for treating her children's minor illnesses, and similarly a wife or husband normally gives their spouse medical attention including over the counter drugs.
In the past doctors have routinely treated their relatives without it being deemed inappropriate. Where it starts to get blurry is if you have legitimate access to restricted drugs, is it appropriate to use them if needed? It would not be in the public interest to prosecute a pharmacist who injects his own son with adrenaline in an emergency situation. But giving antibiotics or painkillers is more subtle. If a wife has legitimate access to strong painkillers and her husband has a sever tooth infection and a dentist appointment the next day, is it wrong for her to give her husband a painkiller? Would it not be excessively cruel to refuse to give him any treatment if she can do so? However it does then open the door to potential accusations of misconduct. It isn't necessarily as straightforward as it seems.
That's a film that could end up in some nasty corners of the web😂
First one of these I've watched where I don't agree with their conclusion, I still think her husband killed her
What an amazing bit of luck the note turning up.....
great video. thank you
He was just setting it up so that people thought it was suicide
Beware of having an affair with a married person. Good chance you’ll get dumped for someone else. Too bad her friends didn’t step in and advocated for her by calling the police and getting her a doctor.
Very complex, as a vet he would've known he'd be exposed by toxicology. He surely would've thought up a subtler way. Moral of the story, live by the marriage wrecking, die by the marriage wrecking. If this had been a working class man he wouldn't have got out after three years, Eddie Gilfoyle did nearly twenty
Just think, if Sandra hadn’t chosen an affair with a married man none of this need have happened 🤨
It takes two to tango. Having worked in very male dominated corporate as a contractor for years, i found it staggering how predatory the married men were. They don't even bother being discreet. It's all just an ego trip & extra sex to them: & the deluded women they pick think it's love.
@@sarahholland2600 Oh yes. I worked in a male dominated environment and affairs were treated like a hobby. Many of them went home to find their door locks changed and their bags on the doorstep. Then they were all tears and remorse.
Always the man’s fault isn’t it…
@@Thenorthsaceindeed. It's rarely acknowledged that married men are more attractive to women than single men.
@toforgetisagem8145 ive worked with predators of both sexes.
I suggest you stick to tje facts, Revivon is fatal to humans
Never heard of a suicide by injections in the feet???
Anybody else heard of it?
Rebecca Sweet : in the event one is trying to blame someone else for their death, that would be an easy spot to inject anything for a person who's not really trained . As it was mention on the show, hands and feet are parts of the body where one can see veins clearly.
For your information: drug addicts who try to hide their vice, usually inject themselves between their toes, or any part of their feet easily covered even wearing flip-flops.
hard to inject between the toes by yourself , youd go for the main arterial vein on the top of the foot
That is 4 or 5 of the most ludicrous, asinine things anyone has ever said! You just make things up and pretend you're an expert? To what end? For what gain? Have you done something to a loved one so are feeling guilty and sensitive? Has the vet been giving you injections in your rear end? Shame, shame, shame! Defending someone who hurt the mother of his children. How low can you go? I suspect given a little time you'll show us!
It's not about hiding the drug use, it's running out of veins they can still use. Veins on the top of the feet are quite large and easy to access. After they block and collapse, it's the groin and under the findernails🤢
Not convinced that someone would choose to commit suicide in that way. I think the husband probably did do it, but there are certainly question marks. Interesting case. Hope the three children are OK, they would all be in their thirties by now.
They are all fine
Gee, I'm glad they plastered "Reconstruction" over everything or I would have thought it was live.
Vets ALWAYS close doors,lady!
Hi is there any chance you could upload the Rough Justice episode 'Murder in mind' please?
they all on yt somewhere
How did she inject the Revivon?? she would've been asleep
nonsense init
Have you ever used the drug?
Crikey, that immobillon was powerful stuff. You had to draw up the reversing agent, Revivon, before you even attempted to draw up the immobillon. The smallest amount in your bloodstream would be lethal!
Revivon is fatal to humans
Thanks 🙏
Convenient how the note was found by his new woman. Surely the papers would have been touched long before then.
Funny that , It does happen and revivon is fatal to human beings
The acting is precious 💓😂
Karma. Imagine what his first wife went through when she was having an affair with *her* husband. I have no sympathy for her. She ruined his first marriage and Katherine ruined her's. The only victim is his first wife.
Ryan, Sandra and Katherine deserved each other.
No one would choose this way to die.
They use Immobilon on horses. It is not for making them run faster.
Revivon is fatal to human beings
He did it .
Don't buy it. "Expert" defence witnesses look too sleazy and I assume they were all very well paid.
Edit
Added to that , the fact that he decided to finish the relationship on Dec 24th portrays emotional cruelty and I could go on.....
You do understand that this is a 'reconstruction ? The words are read or acted. At this time we still had some dignity and standards and court business was considered deadly serious enough to not be televised'.
Moving out on christmas eve...Lord!
Merry Christmas Suzanne
It takes a particularly callous man to leave his children on Christmas Eve . Perhaps he was subject to an ultimatum from his new beau .
Interesting case
Husband did it. A no Brainer
Yes off on a technical hitch
Really and of course you both knew them
Revivon is fatal to humans
Revivon is fatal to human beings
in my criminologist criticism and regarding the documentary and evidences showed THE HUSBAND DID EVERYTHING TO LOOK SUICIDE? MURDER AGAISNT HUSBAND? regarding friends she never said nothing about suicide. Plus, husband came back hoem as no money and to finish her poisoning. And Catherine is complice. how convenient she found the note from Sandra. Do not forget she was drugged tired, losing consciousness, so, i believe husband helped her out to write that CONVNIENT note, paper? found after murder, later, when husband appeal is launched.
Weird that he decided to come back and pretend he was going to give the marriage another go....if he did not intend to end his marriage another way.
Sandra was so upset about the affair she should have known how the first wife felt when they were having an affair when they met, I think she's done a great job of setting him up, when I was nursing drug addicted patients we had to check visitors trying to sneak in drugs for them after leaving we had to check patients for needle marks between the toes and in the eyes where they would pull the eyelids down and inject them drug of choice was mostly heroine in those days and these stupid so called friends if she said she didn't trust him you get her a doctor and police whether either of them want to or not I don't believe he's stupid enough to make it so obvious that it only takes an autopsy to show the drugs how's the front of the next wife to marry him in jail!!!! His marriages runs on affairs the only victims here is the children as usual, when my sister showed she was flattered by a married man who was asking her out my mum said in a very broad Scottish accent
"Och well Mark my words girl no good would come of it I'm warning you "
People injecting into their toe's & eyes! Really?
Good for your mum! How can anyone think that they'd be happy standing on someone else's misery. And of course,if they betray their spouse with you it's very likely that they'll cheat on you with someone else. Why wouldn't they? You've shown your moral standards 🤷
I think the actress playing the wife was also in a Crimewatch reconstruction as a rape victim attacked in her car
I still think he did it
Course he would say she talked of suicide
I am sure the husband did it. No woman would leave 3 beautiful children to be brought up by her husband's lover.
Depression makes ppl believe that others are better off without them. She may have thought that it would be in best interests of her children.
Yes, because all women are maternal, caring and nurturing.... like Myra Hindley, Rosemary West, Beverley Allitt, Joanna Dennehy, Amelia Dyer, Kathryn Smith etc............
bubsy bubbles : come down from the "women can't do wrong" pedestal you climbed. That woman was depressed and in her condition chances are she wasn't thinking clearly, let alone worrying about anybody else but herself, which happens to be the norm with people living in this condition.
Other little thing to put into consideration is that there are a lot of mothers who shouldn't be, depression or not.
@@nicolahaslam6569 Possible, but not highly likely.
Absolute rubbish
Let's be honest...Sandra was a p.o.s herself who ran into a bigger p.o.s...his first wife he divorced...must have thought wow that was expensive and being a selfish monster kills this other p.o.s Sandra instead of divorcing again
He did it !
No he didn't, You didn't know them
I think she did it because she felt sick and did not want her husband to get anything of hers
Hmm, I’m unconvinced
very interesting.....
WHAT KIND OF SADIST WOULD MAKE A VIDEO AND BACK THE COLD SICK KILLER? ROUGH JUSTICE DID..THEY ARE EVIL
They should never relaese murderers
Plus in his first interview, thw husband said quote '' i know how easy is found evidences of poising , drugging, '' SO ??? why he needs to justify? so, doctor vet made the opposite. husband did to looks like sandra thought to looks suicide? murder from his husband? hahahah..please. its vident , forensic evidences, she was too drugie to inject herself, etc, etc...
Either way he's guilty. He either killed her or drove her to suicide.
He’s a philanderer, maybe his time in jail was karma.
bullsh..
Bloody hell! Jail time for cheating?? You don’t think that’s a little harsh?
Typical nonsense
Hmmmm. Not convinced.
He got off with this due to the letter.
Wouldn't she get half of the money from the house
This bit confused me. Don't know why she said she'd be left with nothing, seems unlikely.
Plus it's usually the man who is forced to leave the home and lose custody of his kids even if it's the wife having an affair (and most women think that's perfectly reasonable-which obviously it isn't).
But the acting doesn't do her justice...
Old sandy got a taste of her own medicine b4 he killed her and guess what she didn't like it
Vials not files
Psykopath
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Is he out of prison now....
It literally says it in the first few seconds
His conviction was overturned in 1998.
@@aaarrrggghhhh : Thanks amigo.
Once a cheater always a cheater
Revivon is fatal to people
I think he was guilty
Your not the judge, Revivon is fatal to humans
At least he got shut of his wife.. who needs a wife who is gonna nag nag nag all the time you have an affair
Lol well put .