Rough Justice: Who Killed Carl Bridgewater?
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- Опубликовано: 18 окт 2024
- The BBC's Rough Justice programme was an occasional series investigating questionable criminal convictions. In 1996 it turned its attention to the murder of Carl Bridgewater in September 1978, for which Patrick Molloy, James Robinson and cousins Michael Hickey and Vincent Hickey had been convicted.
Rough Justice was far from the first investigation of the case; Paul Foot's book 'Murder at the Farm' was published in 1986. However this examination did lead on to a second appeal and the three surviving members of the Bridgewater Four were freed on bail in February 1997. Their convictions were overturned on 30 July 1997.
TX for this programme is 10.4.96. Note that Michael Hickey in the reconstructions is an early role for Jonny Lee Miller.
This was about the last time the BBC made good programmes. Rough Justice, World in Action etc. were REAL investigative reporters doing great work. 'Reality TV' ruined it all.
Noodlehorn that came about because of the actors strike back then
Yes I have to agree with that and the police were rotten to the core then, as they are even more today. 40 years have not changed a thing, if anything they are even more corrupt today , leaving foreign criminals alone while they intimidate people like Cliff Richard and Tommy Robinson, people who did absolutely nothing wrong.
@Noodlehorn I agree. I love watching journalism and such pre-24/7 news. Having 24/7 news dilutes/destroys/changes the truth because how else are they going to keep viewers happy all day everyday? I wish it was 1950 or something. This “modern” era we have now leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
Noodlehorn, remember the show well. It was excellent journalism. This case was one that was a real fit-up.
World in Action was an ITV television programme.
The BBC equivalent was, and still is, Panorama.
A concise and poignant piece of journalism. I miss these kind of documentaries that have substance. Rough Justice was an excellent series.
Even crimewatch was good
Of course, there are far fewer massive miscarriages of justice to deal with now. Because of advances in technology, many offenders can be picked up relatively easy these days. The 20th century was absolutely riddled with these cases
Perkins should be in jail
Bert" so What " spencer shot his best friend in face in temper , shot carl bridgewater in face to silence him , Bert was robbing farm , this guy is discusting
Yes if there was any justice for Carl and the people doing time in prison that do not belong there Bert would have some nutter do such an injury to him he died. Oh boy I bet so many would dance on his grave no matter how in such bad taste that looked
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Wish Rough Justice was still on. Loved it
To see/hear Spencers guilt, I highly recommend the interview he had with Professor David Wilson. At one point he (Spencer) is asked where he was when he first heard the news of the murder? "At home(contradicting his claim he was At work)" he replied, then suddenly realisesd his mistake & changed it to "At work the following day"
I thought he said he was at work when the murder took place,not when he first about it?
I've watched the interview Professor David Wilson did with Bert Spencer, 4 times, and he is GUILTY!! He loses his temper quickly and makes threats because: "I'm my daddies boy". His alibi was completely torn apart on camera by the woman herself. His ex wife also reveals interesting info about the murder, and even she thinks he is guilty
i know right?? grrr every time i watch that interview it drives me nuts!!! and they still want to blame the so called Bridgewater 4!!! the one guy protesting on the roof of the prison with Spencer in huge white letters screams "listen to me" anyone!!!! i think what went down was Bert was into those antique clocks and he knew the home was slammed in antiques, i don't think he really cared if they were clocks, and i think little Karl saw the door open, cared about his friends that lived there and decided to go in to be sure all was well, and i think he didn't immediately recognize Bert but Bert recognized him right away and this Wilkes character i think was shot because he was getting ready to start singing to the police about it so Bert killed him, oh this story makes me so upset for this little boy, all he wanted was to deliver a newspaper
I agree. Why on Earth his ex wife didn’t come forward years before though I’ll never know. I think his secretary gave him an alibi and got rid of those missing ambulance records because he asked her to. I think she was more than his secretary.
@@gemmalynn536, I think you are absolutely spot on with your conclusion.... It seems so obvious, also the handprints on the bike might not have been Spencers but his partner in crime.... were his fingerprints ever compared I wonder?.
right on the nail deffo he done it old spencer
Yeah, it's a great documentary isn't it? He didn't do himself any favours by agreeing to that interview.
Bert Spencer is one of the creepiest and weirdest people I have ever seen.
I agree
And also related to me
@@the_sketchy_1459Do you think he did it?
@@Blackhole6800 nah,he got convicted beforehand for shooting his mate....but not this lad
@@the_sketchy_1459 he defo was there at least mate sorry he was involved
Spencer’s daughter openly admitted that she and Carl played together, so Spencer Definitely must have known Carl and vice versa
Bert is guilty as sin , rest in peace carl
I knew Bert on a personal level. I lived in the small village of bicker when I was a teen, Bert moved into the village into a house on gauntlet Road. He was an imposing figure even in his 50s. I used to play football with his partners son most nights of the week. I used to work for him later on in life as he had become a gang master. I can vividly remember him picking me and my mates up from a sprout field on a Friday which was payday. Our wages were wrong so we questioned it, he completely lost the plot and began to reach under the van seat screaming, listen here you bastards I have killed before and would you like to be the next Carl. We then had no idea of his background but we all just shut up as he said he'd grab his shotgun and silence us all. I was 16 at the time and seeing his temper first hand it wouldn't surprise me at all if he was guilty of the crime.
My dad worked with him for many years, I lived in kingswinford and know the case very well, I grew around there. It's always fascinated this case and I hope something comes to light the help close it. Spencer is a volatile man and I strongly suspect he knows far more than he let on. This incident you witnessed first hand is fascinating to hear. Thanks for sharing
@AndyCaddickArtist you're welcome, I can tell you this, even in his mid 50s he could still bench press heavy weights, I asked if he would train me to which he replied, you can but if you don't lift what I expect you to lift I will fekkin hurt you. He liked to brew his own beer and always gave off a caring demeanour, but could snap at the drop of a hat.
@@shaunekins9805 interesting to hear this, I don't think the truth will ever come out in his lifetime. There is the one statement by his ex wife about a bag of antiques he buried somewhere in the prestwood estate and he told her never to mention it to anyone under any circumstance. I firmly believe he and Wilkes were there and something happened and Wilkes murder was because of the murder of Carl one way or another. I hope new evidence comes out about this case one day
lie
Ur full of shit wot gang u talking about. Lol ur embarrassing
The missing ambulance records mean that Spencer has no alibi whatsoever. And now Spencer says he didn’t tell the truth about the circumstances of Wilkes’s murder because there was a person present at that party who was at risk of suicide. So Spencer accepted a longer sentence to protect that person. Well, as Church Lady might say, isn’t that special?
is this really true?, I think he is a psychopath & a murderer..... Spencer "accepting a longer sentence"....how big of him - he served 14yrs of a life sentence.Had he been kept in prison for life then poor Karl Bridgewater wouldnt have been killed. All of that is bad enough but to let 4 young men spend their youth in prison after being falsely sentenced is just smooch more egregious!!
I think those ambulance records were disappeared because they showed his guilt. I think his secretary got rid of them and I think she was more than his secretary.
Spencers a fantasist clearly ,but the fact he was so mental hed kill his best m8 was a pointer to being a skitter :/ every chance he could haave done this
Two victims in neighboring farm properties shot in the face with a shotgun from a distance of four feet within twelve months of each other, are they linked? Call me a conspiracy theorist if you like.
Tell us the truth Spencer, just for once.
Mike H62 Hubert spencer
It is a coinicedence as is that an Eley 5 type cartridge was used in both killings
And the police have not got enough to grill him, that lad deserve,s better
30:42 "Spencer was released from prison, after serving a life sentence" - it wasn't exactly a life sentence, then!
Life is 14 years ( unless you are black or a terrorist ) from that youll get a third off for good behaviour & more for things like education & skills learning
its bleak m8 to know that C*** watkins will be out by 2031 & them 2 mutants who killed Lee Rigby wont serve more than 15 years each - try to find out where them 2 are - you get a fake prison report ,never in the scrubs etc - mental cases go parkhurst or broadmoor for their own protection
Bridgewater 4 did more than life
Jeremy bamber got life in 1986 hes comin up on FORTY YEARS in jail for something he didnt do
You obviously don't know sh1t about uk sentencing laws. I received a life sentence and I done 14 years in prison. Life in the the UK does not mean you spend life in prison. All it means is that I am on life license. And If I do reoffend it means I could go back to prison to finish that sentence.
@@drugsbunny7081 you done nothing baby, anyone that has sat a 14 year trick wouldnt call themself "drugsbunny" get out of your nan's spare room you pleb
In terms of body language note the blink rate when questioned. Spencers blink rate is so high that it is not easy to ignore that he is experiencing stress or an uncomfortable need to block out the truth.
why was he not investigated again in the seventies, eighties, nineties, two thousands incredible incompetence of the police.
Thank you for posting this.
40 yrs ago today Bert Spencer murdered Carl Bridgewater.
I agree
Fact,but 4 did jail
@ThinkAboutWhatYoureSaying didn't he go to jail for doing the same thing to someone else?
@ThinkAboutWhatYoureSaying Good story, pity it isnt true. Spencer was not good mates with Wilkes, he did seasonal work for him. The wife swapping stories was only in Spencers head. He never even raised it as a defence but thought it up years later
He was nothing to do with the killing of that lad...he did time for shooting his friend
Terrible the way they shot that child. Who ever did it
Thats why we keep the investigation alive
DC John Perkins was well-known as a sadistic, unethical and untouchable cop.
Bert spencer guilty as hell 😡
Fancy ringing an ambulance and Bert gets out........
Dave Nolan I don’t fancy that. Not one bit.
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The people involved with fabrication of evidence and forced confessions and withholding of evidence etc are just as cruel and untrustworthy as the real murderers in cases like this
Agree. Apart from the injustice to the wrongly convicted. It leaves real murderer free to do it again.
Don't know if Bert is guilty, but he certainly doesn't do himself any favours in any of his interviews
I love the way the true events are re-enacted with actors who look like the real people involved in the case. Thanks.
Spencer's wife swapping story is interesting. I read a recent interview with him where he professes to be baffled about his motive for the killing. No mention at all of the wife swapping story.
Yep, obviously something he made up during those long nights in prison.
He obviously killed Hubert Wilkes because he knew too much about Carl Bridgewater.
In an interview with david wilson he tells the wife swapping story but he at no point mentions that anyone else was there apart from his and huberts wives ....now in this hes claiming somone else was there
Burt spencer should be re investigated
It's pretty obvious the false confession was beaten out of Malloy!
Carl Bridgewater was killed by either Bert Spencer of Hubert Wilkes.
Wilkes knew what he did and he was shot by Bert because Wilkes could not live with it, he did not shoot this little boy, he was going to start singing and that could never happen, Bert was cleaning up loose ends, and it worked, there lies the shame
@@gemmalynn536 ...........I agree with you. There's definitely more to the relationship between Bert Spencer and Hubert Wilkes than meets the eye. But have you ever considered that it was Wilkes that murdered Carl Bridgewater?
Spencer's own daughter has testified that she was present when Wilkes was discussing doing burglaries with her father. [typical of Spencer, he completely denies this - even though the testimony was recorded on tape and played back to him].
But let's speculate for a moment that Wilkes and Spencer WERE committing burglaries together - this might explain the sighting of Wilke's green Land-Rover and Spencer's blue Vauxhall Viva at Yew Tree farm that afternoon.
Perhaps Bridgewater stumbled in on Wilkes and Spencer as they were carrying out the burglary - recognised one or both of them and either Wilkes or Spencer shot him. [both possessed shotguns and regularly went shooting at Yew Tree farm - so it would seem quite normal having their guns if they were seen].
It also seems extremely odd that just a short time later Spencer would shoot Wilkes dead over the wholly implausible reason of Wilkes wanting to have a wife-swapping party. [again, Spencer's wife has recently testified that Wilke's proposal to hold a wife-swapping party never happened].
Of course and as you suggest, maybe Spencer was just 'tying up loose ends' - and Wilkes posed a threat has he was a witness to the shooting. It's also uncanny that Bridgewater and Wilkes were both murdered in such an identical manner.
Spencer is clearly a psychopath and is an extremely sinister and dangerous man. Chances are that he IS the murderer - but to repeat, I do think that Wilkes was also involved in the tragic death of Carl Bridgewater.
PS. I am originally from Halesowen - which is very close to Stourbridge - and knew the area [especially around Romsley, Hagley, Wordsley and Amblecote] really well as I regularly cycled there. I clearly remember the Carl Bridgewater murder case as it was such a shocking event. It was constantly in the newspapers, on TV and the radio - everyone was talking about it.
Even before any arrests we locals suspected spencer
I know this inside and out. One of many questions I would love to know is..Hubert Wilkes vehicle WAS at Yew tree Farm apparently the day Karl was murdered.
I think that Hubert Wilkes was involved and I think he saw Bert Spencer shoot Karl, and that Wilkes was either going to implicate or confess his part and that’s why Bert..my daddy’s boy Spencer shot him. He never gave a reason for 14 years!!!! I see right through his “shtick” too😮💨🫣
No justice to lose a child💔 I know the pain:( personally
Well said
@@ErictheViking-w7q Thank you☺️
@user-ko2my4kd5i I would have asked his ex-wife if hubert wilkes did say,' I have made you a cocktail Janet' to find out if bert was being truthful as to why he shot Hubert Wilkes. I assume you have watched the video of his ex wife being interviewed by David Wilson.
@@malcolmchadwick4047 yes😌🍹
Thanks for the upload.
I’m really trying to get to see as many episodes of Rough Justice as possible. If anyone has any links or leads for this id be really grateful.
The eps im really keen on are “Code of Silence” and “A Bikers Tale”
whoever handled this investigation really screwed up, it's beyond obvious that this child was shot in the face at point blank range (basically meaning he blew this kids head off) because he recognized the man robbing this home for antiques, Bert Spencer was nuts about antique clocks and they allowed him to shoot birds on the property, he knew these ppl, the secretary Bert used as an alibi flat out said she can't verify whether dude was at work or not, blew that alibi all to hell, this Hickey kid staged a protest for 80 some days at the prison, on the roof, that's almost desperation for someone to listen, not to hear but to listen, the interview with Bert Spencer was never going to go anywhere because as long as you agreed with him your interview could continue, if you disagreed you were threatened, he deflected every question in that interview and his P scan came back the highest probability for being a psychopath!!!! Bert thinks he's innocent because he didn't recognize Carl when the kid came through the door to see what was going on but KARL DID RECOGNIZE BERT and it cost him his head, anybody that thinks anyone other than Bert Spencer did this to this child knows squat, the Bridgewater 4 did not do this, Malloy would have sold his mother if he could've gotten away with it, but he doesn't deserve to go down for killing a child that he never saw,absolutely ridiculous that these 4 men are still being looked at for this murder, if they would listen to Karl he will lead them, souls can't rest if the body is doing nothing but turning over and over in it's grave, this is a child, a boy with a newspaper route wanting pocket money like any 14 year old boy wants for what ever reason he wanted it, this was the last stop on his route before going home for dinner, he loved the little elderly cpl that lived there so he was bound to check to be sure all was well, he could not have imagined for a moment that he would never leave that property, it's horrible that he was shot in his face, shot at all, and to keep this going is cruel to his spirit, not to mention his mother, his family, enough is enough
@gemmalynn Very well said, I agree 💯.
@@kristyblackwell7691 well thank you 🌺🌺🦋
Very, very well said Gemma Lynn. I saw this very Rough Justice documentary back in the day in the late 90's and was totally creeped out by Spencer's attitude as a teenager. He is an atypical psychopath as Professor Wilson appraised. I am local to the area and remember driving past the then derelict (for 30 years) Yew Tree Farm as a young boy. Hubert Wilkes' farm is less than a third of a mile up the road where 15 months later he committed the identical point blank range shotgun-to-the-face murder, both victims were sitting on a sofa. I recall seeing graffiti slogans on bridges of "Who killed Carl Bridgewater?" in the 1980's and so I researched the case in depth for hundreds of hours over a decade ago, even spending time to visit Holy Trinity Church and finding Carl's grave where I spent a good few hours one afternoon. He was buried in a coffin so it was a rather large gravestone and there's space for his family's names and remains to be added. Even before Professor Wilson's incredible "Interview with a Murderer" documentary the circumstantial evidence was overwhelming, along with any interview he;s ever done. Handing in a completely dry piece of card when it had been wet pointing towards another ambulance colleague randomly found 15 miles away whilst he was out for a walk. The likes of him will not get away with murder these days, but it was 1978 and the police completely foiled the case and set the Bridgewater Four up. Sure they were petty criminals but not child murderers. I have found Spencer's little bungalow after much research and Thursday on route to a friend will drive past. My thoughts aren't whether he is guilty or not, that was made up in my mind as a teen from this interview, and every little bit of research after just corroborated that, it's more how can life allow psychopaths to be born, what part do they play in consciousness and what happens at a deep soul level to a person who commits such dreadful deeds? Regards the case being re-opened I believe the family wouldn't want that, they've made peace with it all and the media circus intrusion was overwhelming back then, today it'd be even worse. The reports I read about them were simply awful, not only were they having to come to terms with the loss of their son, but the horrific and cold-blooded way that it happened, and then how the police botched things up and convinced them of the 4, then for them to be exonerated 17 years later, 2 years more in jail than Spencer got for Wilkes' murder. A very sad story all around. I wish only for his family to continue to have peace and healing and to remember and honour the life of Carl.
Guilty has sinn
Spencer's blink rate is out of control.he also closes his eyes at each question ? Probably reliving the moment.
Anne Widdecombe summed up Michael Howard. There is something of the night about him!
I remember watching this on sky news back in 1997..I was 19...This straight away for me brought back memories of watching the Guildford four and Birmingham six being released on the news...I'm 41 now...But from what I've read in the late 1990s...it was common knowledge that police corruption and their unorthodox interrogation tactics was rife in the met during the 1970s....but it wasn't exposed until that time starting with the case of the Guildford four... And then more cans of worms were opened....How many more innocent people who are in jail have been framed by corrupt police forces then and now?....
Sky news in 97? Did sky exist that early?
@@Jamie-gs3yp yeah....it's been here since the dawn of BskyB in 1990
@@nikreece6295 Man.. time is absolutely flying.
I was 19 back in 1997, too. Wow... time does fly ... sigh
People will try and tell you that 20th century Britain was brilliant, but it was absolutely rotten. The Met were not the only corrupt police force by a long way - this police force was the West Midlands. The recent findings of the Daniel Morgan Enquiry found absolutely rampant corruption in the police, to the point that some of them were most probably involved in Daniel Morgan's murder. He had an axe put through his head in a pub carpark
The robbery got interupted. Burt kills carl. Then he kills his best friend cos they was drunk and his friend started blabbing. He kills him too
Just a another fit up by the old bill its not the first time or the last...
Bert Did it!!! Most Definitely!
Crazy to think this is around the corner from me
Nathan Williams me too !
Could it be that Wilkes and Spencer were turning over the farm when Carl walked in and it was Wilkes who committed the murder?
I think so.
That's what I think. And that's why Spencer killed wilkes.
Alley Cat it makes sense. Wilkes may have been so traumatised by his actions that he told Spencer of confessing to the police what he’d done. That’s why Spencer murdered him.
You could be right. Farmer Wilkes was a different character to Spencer. Locally we heard Wilkes like crime cases . I think he accused Spencer. Where’s the statements what happened in the farmhouse tat night who was there. Also heard at the time sure it was in the local paper . Spencer accuses Wilkes of having an affair with his wife. . The police never investigated this right. Never asked questions .
Why would they leave the door open?
Bert done it
Deffo he did WHY CAN'T THE POLICE REINVESTIGATE
@@johnwales53 cos they destroyed evidence - carls pushbike ,when they got a conviction on the 4
@@johnwales53 THERE LIES WOULD BE EXPOSED
@@stephenbeasley9489 Nothing to expose as the west mids serious crime squad was closed down. Oer 100 cases collapsed ot were overturned at Appeal because of that corrupt force
After watching several documentaries on this subject.....i strongly feel that the persons who should be in jail over Carl's murder is .........the police and prosecutors!
I came here after reading Kate Morgan’s essay Murder, the Biography. She mentioned this case and the show (and the rôle the show played in the release of the three men then still alive of the Bridgewater Four.)
Sad case.
Those of us of a certain age will remember the Birmingham pub bombings by the IRA a few years before Carl’s murder. I lived in the West Midlands and there was hostility by some toward Irish people. So it’s very conceivable the West Midlands police, were hostile towards those of Irish heritage… those initially convicted were of such heritage..basically I’m saying Spencer may have got lucky in this regard.
Tip from 1970s Britain - don't be Irish.
or just an ordinary working class bloke
I'm lrish 🇨🇮
Nearly 40 years since this crime and no closer to putting away the real culprit. Rough Justice was one of the best programmes the BBC ever produced. With modern DNA techniques there should be enough evidence to convict the actual killer. The Bridgwater 4 case is up in the top 3 of greatest miscarriage of justice cases ever in UK history .
Damm right..my tv broke down ten days ago and I can't be bothered to fix it..is there anything good to watch..progs like this rough justice, crimewatch file (when they would go back to a solved case and show how they rumbled it) and others...bloody awesome stuff
Kailash Patel Theres a few episodes of rough justice on RUclips including the first case they took on of One Melvin Jock Russel , who they managed to free after the programme shown uncovered new evidence .
Also the hanratty case a innocent man hanged when the actual killer kept confessing on the media.
hanratty was guilty
There’s a book out called scapegoat for murder by Simon Goulding which makes a compelling argument against the accusations levelled at one of the principle suspects in this tragic affair namely Bert Spencer.
Goulding has put a lot of research into this piece and it may well be one of the only sources of pro Spencer works out there apart from the man himself and his denials .
The one thing I do notice is that he does not reference this particular documentary in his arguments . I think that is telling .
After 17 years refusing the chance of parole ? you are innocent.
They hadnt been offered parole before they were released but had all said if ir is offered they would refuse it
Loads of famous actors in this including Jonny Lee Miller!
Sickboy!!! Ace 👍🏻
He always was a wrong un. Renton was lucky to stay out of prison
That ambulance mans mullet is a crime in itself😂
Good job it wasn't in the 90's. Would probably have been wearing a Shellsuit too!
This is Dudley Police's total disregard for Human Rights
For example, doing nothing about my brother being killed in a hit and run and 35 years of one sided treatment against me that cost me the chance to marry and start a family because I had to live like a hermit to avoid a possible jail term.
When we were youths we were terrified of Dudley police they were nasty bastards
I wonder how long it took Spencer to come up with the wife swapping and special cocktail story there is no way he would protect someone who was suicidal he isn't the type if it was true he would have pleaded manslaughter and told the whole story
We all know who killed Carl
The man knew about the killing of Carl, whether he actually killed him or not is totally different, I don’t think we’ll ever know who killed the poor lad, which is very sad.
Bert Spencer
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@markhayes734 it was Bert Spencer, mate. He's even given 2 conflicting alibis that completely implicate him without them (and one of the alibi's told police that he wasn't with them like he claims)
@@supremebuffalo6322 no proof of that, just speculation.
Recently Spencers ex wife has spoken about the day Carl was killed.She says she got home and Spencer was very downbeat and she noticed a freshly washed green casual sweater on the washing line.After that day she never saw the sweater again.However that does not fit with the witness description of the person being in uniform.
The acting in the show is actually really good, unlike the shows today. This shows now, there’s just too many of them telling the same story over and over
Spencer, in the lounge, with the shotgun (twice!)
vordman definitely
This case is both horrific and facinating, I personally do not agree with most and my theory is such,Bert to me is a man torn in two to me it appears he has a constant struggle between good and bad probably in part due to his early years he comes across as more of a petty criminal but in his time a tough man, the murder he did commit I believe was because of what happened to Carl and on that occasion the two sides of him were blurred there’s a chance based on the daughters information and the fact Howard’s Land Rover was at the scene that Howard was a local middle man and had set up certain robberies and criminal acts I believe Bert had done work for him in the past and may of been asked to do this robbery to which Bert refused as he knew the older couple that lived there, I think there’s a high chance Bert did go to that far upon finding out this was happening and what he saw pushed him he killed Howard for the robbery gone wrong but will never say has he can’t come to terms with the fact he had the opportunity to stop the boys murder, if you put all the known facts together this seems the most plausible as in the Wilson documentary a couple of large bits of information are just brushed aside as if they were not relavent, Howard wasn’t killed until well after the fact but why was his Land Rover there the daughter clearly remembers disscions of robberies between the two men surly these questions were asked at the time but there never answered in any documentary why not. Psychopathy that many people hear and associate with someone’s ability to kill is somewhat misleading many many many people in society have these traits it isn’t a condemnation of guilt anyway my personal opinion Bert went to that farm but he did not pull that trigger and the shooting of Howard Willis almost certainly had something to do with the events at yew tree farm that day. Of course it’s just a theory there i may well be wrong as with many of these incidents the only people who really no are long at rest should any family members of the deseased read this my deepest condolences and all the best for the future.
Someone from the prosecution should be held to account for the withholding of vital forensic evidence from the defence. If the jury heard about half of the stuff that was known to the police and cps they wouldn’t have found these guys guilty. When you consider that there are multiple cases like this over the years they are guilty of destroying many many lives, not only the wrongfully convicted but their families, anyone hurt or killed by the real culprits, their families.... and on it goes. Disgraceful.
this upload along with things like crimewatch file etc just highlights how shite today's TV programmes and documentaries are. RIP Carl.
Until hard evidence can be found that Bert is the murderer, there is no way to get that man convicted. No matter how coincidental and suspicious the circumstances are, the truth will probably never emerge here unless there is a deathbed confession or evidence that will turn the whole thing around. Bert who does shut his mouth, because why would confess knowing that if he knows something about that murder, he can get away with it by not criminalizing himself with a confession.
Got away with murder, Bert
When the system goes wrong, it goes wrong big time.
just when you think confessions under torture didnt happen in our civilized countries....sadly I know now it was routine not just in UK but in USA and Canada and likely everywhere else. maybe still happens.
@ The "Special Cocktail" Party ......most forget Spencer took a shotgun from the door {seemed almost every door was propped up and accompanied by a random shotgun} ,Spencer went outside entered his car [V~ Viva ] took a handy hacksaw located in said Vivas boot /trunk ; proceeded to cut off both barrels to sawn-off length +- 15 mins-[premeditation much ??!] ,then went back killed his elderly farmer mate [by shooting him in the face ]-point blank ,then chasing his wife beating/breaking a shotgun stock off her head : C,Bridgewater was shot in the face ; point blank - with a sawn-off shotgun .
I think I know why he attacked his wife he had committed a similar crime scene like Carl Bridgewater and this time he really did panic so decided to attack his wife and make it look different am I smack on mr spencer
36.10 watch the eyes. He's blatantly guilty a very sad tale.
It's farcical really because the men jailed then had their case quashed. How could they be convicted without evidence. Plus 14 yrs for the other murder (weak sentence)
Excessive blinking can indicate anxiety, which often pairs with lying. If the level of blinking seems exaggerated, it might be because the person is lying. Eyes that don't match up with general facial expressions may demonstrate internal conflict or a covering up of the truth. 35:56
It's was obvious from the start, if you take a second to consider the general attitude in the UK at the time.
Bank robbers took the risk, they used guns. The sawn off shotgun was the weapon of choice if you needed to scare people during a robbery.
But, it was never the norm to go armed to an empty house theft job during the daytime, while looking for antiques.
This crime was committed by a man who was carrying a shotgun, looking like it was part of his normal routine, fitting in to country lifestyle, or a routine in which he wanted to look like a man out on the land shooting game, rabbits etc.
This boy was shot because his killer recognised him.
The killer didn't hesitate, he acknowledged who Carl was, then controlled him verbally to position him, then shot the poor kid in the face.
The way in which Spencer spits out ‘so what’ is weird and aggressive he makes it sound like a contemptuous F off. So what a lot of coincidences? They make you a credible suspect Spencer, that’s what.
The 4 who were convicted I think there was a sub text, referred to briefly at the start...just 4 years before Carl’s killing was the Birmingham pub bombings, plus many other IRA acts, and whilst there wasn’t any suggestion of terrorist connections for the 4, I don’t think there was a huge amount of tolerance in the West Midlands Police, or indeed the public, for 4 armed robbers of Irish descent. Although young at the time I believe there was an attitude of serves them right guilty or not in this context. Spencer wasn’t a name in the frame amongst the wider public for many years.
Agreed
Now in 2024 the case needs to be reopened again. Let’s give the poor boys parents some closure.
Appellant courts were effectively retired during michael Howard’s tenure
Wilkes car was parked in yew tree farm the Carl was shot , Wilkes and Spencer both could have been in collaboration
I don't think it's a court of appeal to take another look at a conviction at the evidence. But it's more to underline the sentence more to say you have no chance
Early role for johnny lee millar
You'd think that Sherlock could have worked it out
Bert spencer........clearly
I would like to say justice for Carl we need answers and we want answer it all points at that guy all points at him god bless you Carl Gone But Not Forgotten by a long way and god bless your family we want answers it's not a lot to ask for it's been too long
Innocent 'armed robbers' yea ok.
bent coppers they should of been jailed the things they get away with pigs
He was disciplined twice for falsifying evidence that should only have been proved once and he should have been sacked
That would have served 2 purposes one to show the police is clean and bothered about it and to prevent other officers from trying it
It's the gas man from Bottom
Wasn't the actor who plays Robins the same guy in the Sunlife adverts? And Michael Hickey is played by Johnnie Lee Miller of 'Sickboy' from Trainspotting fame!
The reconstructions were all taken from the 1993 TV Movie 'Bad Company' www.imdb.com/title/tt0139874
Im not sure but the murder of the farmer is conected
Isn't that Johnny Lee Miller?
Whose fingerprints were on that bicycle? How many criminals/murderers were operating in that area?
I don't know. Good question
That's Johnny lee Miller trainspotting fame at the beginning in court
When professor david wilson interviewed bert Spencer i dont recall him mentioning anyone else being at the party where he killed hubert Wilkes apart from their two wives , so his argument that he never mentioned the wife swapping because the other person was suicidal does not hold up ??
You can really see why people hate and distrust the police
Until now I have never understood, why people would give false confessions in a MURDER case. It is hard to understand why anyone would give a false confession on any case to begin with, but especially when your life is on the line, I really don`t get it. Yes these people might have been exhausted, tired, and being pressured by a "bad cop", but why anyone would throw their lives away because of it is beyond me.
You should watch another Irish guy who got falsely accused of murder and was beat up so badly by the police to confess to a murder he didn't do he still as an old man has PTS and shed a tear talking about it and he was a tough man
the police operated a lot differently back in the 1970s and 1980s fitting people up that they thought were guilty was the norm back then that's why the brought in PACE Police and criminal evidence Bill in the 1980s
Youve never been beaten up pre cameras & taped interviews then
THEY WROTE YOUR STATEMENTS FOR YOU ,if you knew how many people went to jail wrongly youd be shocked
Have the police ever tried to beat a confession out of you?
That's pretty naïve - you have to understand what actually went on. There was more than one person who 'died in police custody' back then. Threats would be made against family and all kinds of dodgy stuff. Many of the police were barely discernible from the criminals back then, indeed, a lot of them were in the criminals' pockets
RIP Carl it was definitely an accident tho such a shame for Carl
This is why the Bad Apples in the Police Force needs to be booted out of the Police force and why I'm against the Death Penalty ever being bought back as the Miscarriages of justice is never ending and that is why I favour a full life Sentence and if new evidence does come to light them we can atleast apologise and Compensate the Men and Women who have been wrongly convicted and just for the Record I've as Much faith in the Police force as asking one of them to Post a Birthday or Christmas Card and that's My faith in them
Bert Spencer
Sorry guilty..I think money wld be better spent on the victims..of all crimes
Hubert Spencer confessed to an inmate in prison years later that he did it when he was in for another crime! And he looked like a fucking hipster when he did it in 78 but that's trivial I know!!!!
AWESOME
Did i see a young Jonny Lee Miller in this?
Yes (as noted in the description), playing Michael Hickey. The reconstructions were actually taken from the TV movie 'Bad Company' made in 1993.
One of the defendants, the one with the beard, is played by Johnny Lee Miller.
Spencer did it i think he is a nutter
Why would Bert take a shotgun to a burglary
To threaten any householder to reveal their valuables?
@@mAiSiEbOOOOThat can't be the case, the owners knew him.
It was Wilkes the farmer had them on his wall and scattered around
Someone that knew him this community post said, it was under his car seat
As guilty as hell...Just chilling