Great to see this particular route. I learnt to drive on these units, 51s, 57s and 63s. 415 and 416. Knew that route well and was based at Slade Green for a long time. I am now retired, but preferred those old units to the wretched networkers ( 465/466) that replaced them.
Love the straight gears sound, love the short stations stops (sometimes 6-7 seconds), thanks to the slam doors giving really fast access and exit. Slower acceleration than more recent stock it seems. And love the conversation!
Fascinating to watch as it reminds me of the old SR-style of driving, completely different to today's 'defensive' driving style that modern drivers are taught. I enjoyed many rides on EPBs and remember it well. Happy memories..........
"Defensive driving" you mean "Muppet driving". "Drivers" in Britain Post privatisation aren't allowed to touch any equipment other than the controls, and aren't even allowed to fix a door fault. So have received virtually no training that even qualifies them to be called "Drivers". Why do you think Britain is the only country in the world that needs daft "SPAD" signals. Because expensive training has been cut to the bone. Dangerous madness in other words. Which is why many BR drivers, myself included, left the railway soon after privatisation. It took a minimum of 5 years or 2000 turns as a "Secondman" before you could APPLY for a BR Drivers job ! We had guys at Exeter in 1989 who had been steam age "Firemen" and were still waiting for a Drivers position. As I was a BR Top Link Driver, and have driven Steam, Diesel & Electrics including BR(SR) EMU's, I find your imbecilic remark insulting.
@@TheDuke-vb9cq I worked with a guy who wanted to be a driver in the SouthWest and he entered the driver training course string and he paints a completely different picture to the one you do.
Yes indeed, I read the comment and expected it at E&C but Denmark Hill totally surprised me - keeping the motors on until right before the end of the platform. The EPBs must have had fantastic brakes and I agree if they’re good then make the most out of them! I bet the old SR drivers had to know how to get the most out of their trains with the tight timings and being able to get to junctions without missing their slot. After Denmark Hill I’d got used to it and this is such a great record, so glad it’s on YT
Drove these on the Central from 88-90, reliable, fantastic brake and proper trains👍 Loved the AWS warble which went off every few seconds by Metropolitan Junction towards London Bridge on the two lines from CX/Blkfriars which is now 4lines. The density of trains was incredible and we were t allows in CX with the Caterhams during the peak as there were no paths👍 Amazing bit of railway, not that it's relevant to this video per se.
Remember Slade Green too. We had a Hampshire DEMU at St Leonards, 1116. It was involved in a pitch-in at Battersea Park with a GatEx set, and the power car's underframe was damaged, so it was high in the middle. First it went to Eastleigh, who decided they would'nt touch it with a bargepole, and then to Slade Green. After they'd finished the power car sagged. So much so that the bodysides moved in relation to the floor. The unit lasted until the mid 90's and was then quietly withdrawn ! It went like a bomb though, as the engine and elecrics were still bloody good !
Still miss the EPBs and their growling motors, and the old DH25 compressors ticking away. Takes me right back to when I worked on the Southern Region, glad I'm retired now. Hardly anything left with a bit of character now like the old HAPs and CEPs. Remember 1500, nee 7153, well, and did you see the lead unit was a "1066 Electrics " one ?
Oh yes. My kind of language. CLONK ! SQUEAK ! GGRROOWWWLLL then singing along at speed. And all those lovely DH25 compressors, MG sets whirring, EP contactors clattering, the hiss from the camshaft when going into parallel. Lovely seats, big picture windows, Beclawatt or Deans & Lightalloys windows you could open.
Agree with your comments. Rode CEPs and when on my service BEPs for many years. Preferred them to VEPs. Whilst working at Beckenham DMO remembered 7153/1500 being berthed in Down bay at Beckenham Jcn. For us to have a look around. Great days all round. Thanks again.
Privilege to watch..Great drivers insight and the lamented long gone Class 415 EPBs.. Reliable workhorses. Cannon St crash certainly hastened their replacement.
Why did the train stop but not stop at Nunhead @ 11:37 ? Also the warehouse on the left @ 11:53 used to be something to do with Fyfes bananas. Not there anymore as turned into a housing estate. @ 12:24 up the embankment to the left is where my nan used to live! Spent ages watching trains from the garden. Also the talk of the crystal palace high level route. That was something you could walk along until the early 90s when a housing estate was built along there. Very fond memories.
Interesting to hear or read yet another person (in this case a driver!) mistaking the two stations that once co-existed at Crystal Palace. He refers to the branch from Nunhead to the Low Level station when in fact it ran to the high level one. The High Level branch closed in 1954. The Low Level remains in operation today - a junction for the routes from London via West Norwood to Sydenham, Norwood Junction or Beckenham Junction.
Love the whine of the motors under the cab and anticipating the grrrrnk of the claw handle being whacked shut. No grrrrnk gednnk so he’s not coasting in the middle ( not today at least)
Noticed while you were at Crayford that second CEP unit was the prototype refurbished unit with the old sliding windows; this was origionally No 7153, later renumbered 1500.
Remember it well, still had the EE controller handles like an EPB or HAP, last time I saw it was at Eastbourne, running as part of a test train as "Tractor Unit 081" I think. There were only the Driving Motor Seconds left and it was still in Jaffa Cake paint. Lord knows where the rest went, I think the TBC was used in 1547 a while, but as for the TSO, don't know. The other tractor unit was 080 and had a 1951 equipment DMS and a 1957 "Camshaft" one. Noticed the front unit at Crayford was one of our 1066 Electrics we had for a short while at St Leonards. Happy days. Amazing the junk I recall :-)
What was he units called that Waterloo had to push and pull that took 2 unit's of 4 cars as far as Bournemouth and then a diesel had to take them to Weymouth
A 4 REP on London end would propel a few 4TC to Bournemouth where a 31 would couple to the front of the TC and take the set on the unelectrified section to Weymouth
British Snail 🐌. Those were the days “This is the age of the train”. “British Rail. We’re Getting There”. Not certain if the got there or not, I used to use slam door stock out of Liverpool Street to Brentwood, I shall miss the outgoing Class 315’s.
30 second station stops were the "booked time" since the LSWR began introducing 3rd rail electrics from 1914. (1 minute at Major stations, even for expresses). By comparison the LSWR steam hauled suburban trains in 1914 required 90 seconds for station stops. A major reason for introducing EMU's. Unfortunately even the British Railways Board couldn't understand the Southern and inflicted sliding door stock on it "as a modern requirement". Unfortunately station stops with daft suburban units only having two sets of sliding doors at 1/3rd & 2/3rds spacings, means more time is needed than an old EPB unit with 10 doors per coach side ! If you must use sliding doors then copy the Tokyo Yamanote line suburban stock with 6 sets of double doors per car side. Employ lots of Samurai warriors with white gloves to squash the passengers in, so the train leaves exactly to its 30 second stop time, because another train is due in 90 seconds !
I believe a rotary converter building turning the national AC power supply into the railway DC requirement. They occur at regular intervals, e.g also at Lewisham and Grove Park
Wrong ! People nick your work, and before you know it some punk is selling your work as a CD, at shows for $20. As a result I certainly would never upload any of my work to RUclips.
Because in the UK we do not have a 'fair use exception' rule like the USA does. Therefore, "any copying, in any media format, constitutes an illegal act and is deemed copyright theft" (Intellectual Property Copyright Office, Swansea, UK).
These express and outer suburban slam doors got replaced by Class 375s and Class 465/9s and Class 466s in 2005 after they got replaced on inner suburban routes by Class 376s in 2004-2005
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Great to see this particular route. I learnt to drive on these units, 51s, 57s and 63s. 415 and 416. Knew that route well and was based at Slade Green for a long time. I am now retired, but preferred those old units to the wretched networkers ( 465/466) that replaced them.
Such lovely video always nice to see oid southeastern train,s
Love the straight gears sound, love the short stations stops (sometimes 6-7 seconds), thanks to the slam doors giving really fast access and exit. Slower acceleration than more recent stock it seems. And love the conversation!
Fascinating to watch as it reminds me of the old SR-style of driving, completely different to today's 'defensive' driving style that modern drivers are taught. I enjoyed many rides on EPBs and remember it well. Happy memories..........
"Defensive driving" you mean "Muppet driving". "Drivers" in Britain Post privatisation aren't allowed to touch any equipment other than the controls, and aren't even allowed to fix a door fault. So have received virtually no training that even qualifies them to be called "Drivers". Why do you think Britain is the only country in the world that needs daft "SPAD" signals. Because expensive training has been cut to the bone. Dangerous madness in other words. Which is why many BR drivers, myself included, left the railway soon after privatisation.
It took a minimum of 5 years or 2000 turns as a "Secondman" before you could APPLY for a BR Drivers job ! We had guys at Exeter in 1989 who had been steam age "Firemen" and were still waiting for a Drivers position. As I was a BR Top Link Driver, and have driven Steam, Diesel & Electrics including BR(SR) EMU's, I find your imbecilic remark insulting.
Wait till you see the whites of their eyes then full 50!
@@TheDuke-vb9cq I worked with a guy who wanted to be a driver in the SouthWest and he entered the driver training course string and he paints a completely different picture to the one you do.
Yes indeed, I read the comment and expected it at E&C but Denmark Hill totally surprised me - keeping the motors on until right before the end of the platform. The EPBs must have had fantastic brakes and I agree if they’re good then make the most out of them! I bet the old SR drivers had to know how to get the most out of their trains with the tight timings and being able to get to junctions without missing their slot. After Denmark Hill I’d got used to it and this is such a great record, so glad it’s on YT
Best train's I ever went on was the DEMU from Charing Cross to Hastings via Tunbridge, missed very much
Drove these on the Central from 88-90, reliable, fantastic brake and proper trains👍
Loved the AWS warble which went off every few seconds by Metropolitan Junction towards London Bridge on the two lines from CX/Blkfriars which is now 4lines.
The density of trains was incredible and we were t allows in CX with the Caterhams during the peak as there were no paths👍
Amazing bit of railway, not that it's relevant to this video per se.
Remember Slade Green too. We had a Hampshire DEMU at St Leonards, 1116. It was involved in a pitch-in at Battersea Park with a GatEx set, and the power car's underframe was damaged, so it was high in the middle. First it went to Eastleigh, who decided they would'nt touch it with a bargepole, and then to Slade Green. After they'd finished the power car sagged. So much so that the bodysides moved in relation to the floor. The unit lasted until the mid 90's and was then quietly withdrawn ! It went like a bomb though, as the engine and elecrics were still bloody good !
Excellent video seeing old slam door,s southwestern train,s to Dartford Kent
Still miss the EPBs and their growling motors, and the old DH25 compressors ticking away. Takes me right back to when I worked on the Southern Region, glad I'm retired now. Hardly anything left with a bit of character now like the old HAPs and CEPs. Remember 1500, nee 7153, well, and did you see the lead unit was a "1066 Electrics " one ?
Phase 1 CIGs and CEPs, no character anymore. This when trains were trains. And no graffiti or buddleia too.
Oh yes. My kind of language. CLONK ! SQUEAK ! GGRROOWWWLLL then singing along at speed. And all those lovely DH25 compressors, MG sets whirring, EP contactors clattering, the hiss from the camshaft when going into parallel. Lovely seats, big picture windows, Beclawatt or Deans & Lightalloys windows you could open.
Music to my ears dear boy! Totally agree. The CEPs screaming and hunting down the racetrack between Paddock Wood and Ashford.
Agree with your comments. Rode CEPs and when on my service BEPs for many years. Preferred them to VEPs. Whilst working at Beckenham DMO remembered 7153/1500 being berthed in Down bay at Beckenham Jcn. For us to have a look around. Great days all round. Thanks again.
Privilege to watch..Great drivers insight and the lamented long gone Class 415 EPBs.. Reliable workhorses.
Cannon St crash certainly hastened their replacement.
Prototype refurbished CEP 1500 at 46:53 - interesting to see it luckily caught on film.
Why did the train stop but not stop at Nunhead @ 11:37 ? Also the warehouse on the left @ 11:53 used to be something to do with Fyfes bananas. Not there anymore as turned into a housing estate. @ 12:24 up the embankment to the left is where my nan used to live! Spent ages watching trains from the garden. Also the talk of the crystal palace high level route. That was something you could walk along until the early 90s when a housing estate was built along there. Very fond memories.
What a smashing video! Thank you.
Interesting to hear or read yet another person (in this case a driver!) mistaking the two stations that once co-existed at Crystal Palace. He refers to the branch from Nunhead to the Low Level station when in fact it ran to the high level one. The High Level branch closed in 1954. The Low Level remains in operation today - a junction for the routes from London via West Norwood to Sydenham, Norwood Junction or Beckenham Junction.
Pity no more cab rides like these on dvds such nice trains
Loughborough junction - Canterbury Road junction is the non-passenger chord in question.
Love the whine of the motors under the cab and anticipating the grrrrnk of the claw handle being whacked shut. No grrrrnk gednnk so he’s not coasting in the middle ( not today at least)
Brings back memories of the AWS danger sound
Noticed while you were at Crayford that second CEP unit was the prototype refurbished unit with the old sliding windows; this was origionally No 7153, later renumbered 1500.
Remember it well, still had the EE controller handles like an EPB or HAP, last time I saw it was at Eastbourne, running as part of a test train as "Tractor Unit 081" I think. There were only the Driving Motor Seconds left and it was still in Jaffa Cake paint. Lord knows where the rest went, I think the TBC was used in 1547 a while, but as for the TSO, don't know. The other tractor unit was 080 and had a 1951 equipment DMS and a 1957 "Camshaft" one. Noticed the front unit at Crayford was one of our 1066 Electrics we had for a short while at St Leonards. Happy days. Amazing the junk I recall :-)
Such good video nice to see old slam door,s train,s
At 43.59 the points seem to be set against the train - how did they work?
I love EPB,s.
What was he units called that Waterloo had to push and pull that took 2 unit's of 4 cars as far as Bournemouth and then a diesel had to take them to Weymouth
4REPS
A 4 REP on London end would propel a few 4TC to Bournemouth where a 31 would couple to the front of the TC and take the set on the unelectrified section to Weymouth
British Snail 🐌. Those were the days “This is the age of the train”. “British Rail. We’re Getting There”. Not certain if the got there or not, I used to use slam door stock out of Liverpool Street to Brentwood, I shall miss the outgoing Class 315’s.
What astonishes me is how short the station stops are, 10-15 secs from stop to start!
With 10 doors per carriage you don't need the dwell time of more "modern" stock.
20 seconds was the expected 'dwell' time IIRC on suburban routes, the timetable was based on it!
30 second station stops were the "booked time" since the LSWR began introducing 3rd rail electrics from 1914. (1 minute at Major stations, even for expresses). By comparison the LSWR steam hauled suburban trains in 1914 required 90 seconds for station stops. A major reason for introducing EMU's.
Unfortunately even the British Railways Board couldn't understand the Southern and inflicted sliding door stock on it "as a modern requirement". Unfortunately station stops with daft suburban units only having two sets of sliding doors at 1/3rd & 2/3rds spacings, means more time is needed than an old EPB unit with 10 doors per coach side !
If you must use sliding doors then copy the Tokyo Yamanote line suburban stock with 6 sets of double doors per car side. Employ lots of Samurai warriors with white gloves to squash the passengers in, so the train leaves exactly to its 30 second stop time, because another train is due in 90 seconds !
Oh the memories
Did his crew not know it was being filmed and getting all there yapp
There was a series of Railscene cab rides and they are now Kingfisher Productions. This could be one of theirs.
When was this film made?
Pre 1990s. At a guess I'd say 87/88
Enjoyed the video. Used to travel on that line a lot when I worked in London, Do you know what the building is between the junction at Nunhead ?
I believe it is the old SR substation built in 1926
I believe a rotary converter building turning the national AC power supply into the railway DC requirement. They occur at regular intervals, e.g also at Lewisham and Grove Park
Quite right, though all the original equipment's long gone now. They used to make a howling sound under load.
Not a mobile phone gazer in sight.
The line from Nunhead went to Crystal Palace HIGH level, not as the driver stated.
Bring em back I say lol
Why are Brits so touchy about copyrights even with cab rides, it's not like the youtube member's drawing any revenue from this upload, right?!
Wrong ! People nick your work, and before you know it some punk is selling your work as a CD, at shows for $20. As a result I certainly would never upload any of my work to RUclips.
Because in the UK we do not have a 'fair use exception' rule like the USA does. Therefore, "any copying, in any media format, constitutes an illegal act and is deemed copyright theft" (Intellectual Property Copyright Office, Swansea, UK).
a conditioning showing theirtube's many sides
Motors
replaced by networkers in 1994
You mean "Notworkers" as we Drivers labelled those ghastly pieces of dangerous junk.
Networkers are a family of EMUs and DMUs
With sliding doors
These express and outer suburban slam doors got replaced by Class 375s and Class 465/9s and Class 466s in 2005 after they got replaced on inner suburban routes by Class 376s in 2004-2005