Tesla Model 3 LR v S Long Range Raven real world efficiency, range and charging speed review
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- Опубликовано: 24 июл 2024
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The only way to compare efficiency between electric cars is to drive them at exactly the same speed in the same conditions, so here we use an opportunity to drive both the Tesla Model 3 Long Range Dual Motor in convoy head-to-head with the Tesla Model S Long Range Dual Motor Raven.
The Model S has the larger 100kWh battery v Model 3 75kWh battery but is usually considered to be less efficient.
But on a long journey will the Model 3 charge faster and make up for having that smaller battery. I think if you cover a very long journey and need to charge a few times, topping up the model 3 could well be faster, but the S would only be potentially a fraction behind. But otherwise the better range of the S would mean less stoppage time. What do you think?
The Model S is more expensive!
Which car is more comfortable?
Which one do I prefer?
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Didn’t see it at the time, but on the replay after filming the model 3 did briefly go to c. 190kw and then jumped down suddenly to around 139.
It can certainly add more miles per hour, and then of course slows further as reaches higher SOC (at which time the S is at lower % so still charges faster).
But basically BOTH charge as quick as you need and go as far as you could want!
The key takeaway should be the S has a 25% larger battery as well, increasing range and sometimes charging speed because it’s at less than 80% for a longer time . Both slow charging at 80% , but the 3 gets to 80% quicker because it charges faster and has the smaller battery. Charging speeds above 80% will be similar.
I do manage to get above 200 kw of charging speed in Belgium and France. Bad electricity network in the UK?
@@HotHatchTV Don't tell me those Brexit b*$£@€@s ruined the chargers as well 😅, wouldn't be surprised!
Why don't you do you do video's on cheaper reviews on cheaper evs
not everyone can afford a tesla. ps love the video's.
Very informative! Definitely helps me decide on which model to buy.
Fantastic content as always. Thanks
Another great video. Thanks, guys.
Really useful video thanks. I have a Model 3 P and am astonished at the efficiency of the Model S Raven LR. I had no idea it would run the Model 3 so close. And your estimate for the Model 3 LR is very similar to what I have experienced over 40,000 km. If I had a lot or motorway driving I would choose the Model S over the less efficient EV offerings from Jaguar Audi and Mercedes.
Always amazed at how efficient the Model S is, such a large car and it gets 4 miles per kw on motorways!
Mine is a S 70 rwd with 117k but still able to make 4mile/kw.
@@dangr3957 incredible
Alex yesterday I made a 17 mile return journey on M20 with a top speed of 60 mph and from 49% it went to 43% so it roughly 4KW. But I was cheating a little bit because I didn’t use AC and I used regen breaking and also always I keep it plugged in(set to 50-80% depending my plan)so the battery was preconditioned.
If I would drive it on the speed limit perhaps I would turn the AC on this Model S 70 could have only about 160 miles range on the motorway. The BMU shows 191miles on 100% so I would say 190 in towns and 160 on motorways.
I just bought it a month ago for really good price, 2016 facelift Model with free super charging.
@@dangr3957 ah yeah that free supercharging is a nice bonus!!
I’m in Texas.. 80 mph speed limit on a good stretch of the highways here.. pushes the efficiency down quite a lot.. i cruise about 10% over also.. generally I get about 370 wh/mi at those speeds. Still no issues ever getting to the next supercharger. 70-80% will get me to the next one with 20-30% left usually.. worst case in the winter, you go up to 80 and arrive at like 15%.. some of the chargers are closer together and you only need to charge up 60% to make it.. i prefer to drive fast, charge often but quicker.. versus skip a charger and drive slower and charge longer.. but its an option some prefer
We own a 2020 Model Y and know it's fairly efficient, but the Raven S is really special given it still used the 1860 batteries. Great vid and info as usual. Cheers from the US
18650 cells.
Great keep up the good work. Thank you 2 Great cars but the S is Special 😃 Great team at RSyemons was talking to Jo and Sergi 5 star team 😀 on Tuesday. Looking at a Tesla S 👀 🌎
Nice breakdown of the efficiency comparison between the Model 3 and Model S! Also, here in the US of A, Tesla claims all models can receive the max 250kW, and I can confirm that I have seen the Model Y charging that fast without fail (you just have to plan out your trip to arrive @ the SuperCharger with ~10% 🔋 charge remaining).
I’m thoroughly enjoying these trip tests.
It would be interesting to see where the nearest competitor is iin comparison.
Depends what you mean by competitor, check out a similar test with other makes involved..
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Another great video. Please keep them coming. Castle Howard is well worth a visit - a fantastic stately home that has some lovely grounds, part of which were captured in your video. It also formed a centrepiece for both a TV series and film of the novel Brideshead Revisited.
Are you aware of the cursed window near the castle? When you enter street view in Google maps on The Stray just west of the castle and approach the long gate house to the south you can see a round window on the right side of the archway, and in that window a ghoulish figure can be seen watching travellers, tapping the glass with spindly fingers...
The only people that seem to have range anxiety are people that don’t have a Tesla. I used to have range anxiety but after owning an S for almost 2 years, range never crosses my mind.
Very interesting comparison. I own a 2021 M3LR and do like the Model S, but in Canada the difference in cost after taxes is over $56,500 CDN. That's enough extra to also buy a Standard Range Plus for my wife and still have thousands left over. Hmmm.
Hold on, isn't that the older model 3 without the heat pump? I suspect heat pump version will fare better... Also when it comes to recharge, the 3 should start taking over slowly. But honestly I don't know why people complain these days, these cars do fantastic range.
Love your videos, very comprehensive and a recent sub!
At 19celcius the heatpump does no difference
The weight difference cruising on a motorway is not a big factor. Aerodynamics are much more important. In stop start driving weight becomes more of an issue and that's where the M3 should show a bigger efficiency advantage.
But, the Model S had more range left before starting that Heathrow charge. 107 - 27 = 80 miles. How long would the S have taken to go from 27 miles to 200?
I want the S just for the good looks :D
And hatchback.
Agree 👍 and Exclusive
Great comparison, thanks! Have you ever measured noise levels on both Teslas (S; 3 - why not also X; Y) at maximum authorised highway (constant) speed? I tend to understand that Teslas are noisier than comparable European (e.g. German) cars and, for long highway travelling, this is an important comfort factor. Thanks again, and kudos for the great videos!
It’s in line for a forthcoming video...
With a Model S soon to be delivered, your video comparison supports my decision to spend the money on the higher end car. Finding extra dollars is far easier than finding more range and comfort over the years! Thank you!
Good point
I am now even more obsessed with the Tesla Brand & would have complete confidence in purchasing a Tesla from R Symons. it is such a shame for me that the used value has gone thru the roof. I would love to buy a used Performance Model S from you in the future or ideally an LR or performance model 3. Every time I see a car of interest it is immediately in your sold pile? P.S. love the pee in the pot sound effect 15 mins in!!
What size usable battery does each have/
Interesting. My spreadsheet shows my 2020 S LR has a real world range of 360 miles - almost exactly your estimate.
The Instavolt stall is identical to the ChargePoint in the US, same company?
Seriously thinking about swapping the MS for M3 LR, now that the kids have grown up.
Was that a late 2020 Long Range Plus??
Good real world indication of how a long journey would be.
Open up a branch in Wigan and hire me to driver cars up and down the UK :)
Love the S long range
I test drove a Model 3 (just the SR+ with the 18" aero wheels) the other day and I was worried about the bumpy ride of Teslas which you and others often mention.
However, it was such a pleasant surprise that compared to my C Class AMG Line, I thought the suspension was definitely more comfortable in the Model 3. And the seats were very noticeably more comfortable - not quite Jaguar Land Rover soft but way more comfortable than Mercedes, BMW or Audi seats.
I thought well done Tesla and actually when put into perspective, Teslas aren't bumpy at all, except maybe the Model 3 Performance with the 20" wheels.
The only things I did notice really was that there's only so much suspension travel on the Model 3 and the suspension can crash into very deep pot holes. The other thing was that the doors and wings could benefit from some additional sound insulation. No worse than a BMW or Mercedes but again, not as quiet as a Land Rover, Jaguar or Lexus product. This was only noticeable on a motorway though.
Later model 3’s and Y’s seem to have improved ride..
So, white paint is better than red?
Here in germany i hitted twice 250 kwh peak while chargin on a V3 whit my Model 3 :)
But on rly busy superchargers it also doesnt go so high, max ~ 200 kwh
Would be good to do this again vs a 2021 model 3 LR with it's heat pump etc
Don’t think it would make any difference tbh, unless cold in which case a little bit. But agree.. one day we’ll do that
There's a later variant of the X that came out in late 2020. Long Range Plus and new Performance. Both with 60km or 37 miles than the previous model
So Richard, in your Taycan experience, how are the adaptive dampers? In terms of handling in B Roads as well as highways?
Nice range figures, was average speed like 55mph?
Motorways, so 70.
Was the Taycan test you mention at 55?
The Taycan has a different level of performance adjustability to the Model S and the ride at motorway speeds is better. The Taycan is first and foremost a Porsche.
@@grssailing Yes I completely agree with your assessment, I have the 4S after test driving Tesla Model Ss.
Interesting, as I would have predicted the model 3 would be ahead. Charging 10% to 60% should favor the model 3 but the model S held its own. Empirical side by side testing is a useful exercise.
I think it doesn't get publicized nearly enough that the 'human range' between reststops is already way below the driving range of these cars - especially if you have more than one person in the car (and that the charging time is in no way an onerously long wait). Thanks for that!
The *only* reason people who have never driven an EV are clamoring for huge ranges is because they don't understand the difference between charging and pumping gas - not because anyone actually wants to drive that far in one go.
Pumping gas is a nuisance. You have to take time out of your day to do it, so it's understandable that in an ICE car you want as much range as possible in order to have to do this less often. With an EV you just plug in wherever you are and whenver you need (at home, at work, while shopping,.. ) and go about your business. Zero time spent. Zero hassle.
Claiming that EVs need to have even more range than they currently do to become viable is entirely missing the point.
"Miles per bladder'
Don't agree, have model 3 long range and when You drive it at highway at normal speed (150 kmh) range is below 280-300 km and that is really low for me. Also on longer trips must use superchargers which are expensive. If you drive at 150kmh and use supercharger it's cheaper to drive ice. Don't get me wrong I like electric cars but hope it will have better range in the future
I'm fascinated that you don't see faster speeds on V3 superchargers with your Model 3s. Here in the US, at a V3 supercharger, I have seen 247 kW on many occasions. This is on a 2018 long range Model 3.
They hit 195kW on the Model 3, they just didn't notice 14:38
Thank you so much for the video.
What year is the Model 3 LR ?
2019
Heat pump no heat pump in the 2019?
Non heat pump.
@@FreedomFinanceFun won’t make a difference if your not running the heat. Heat pump was mid-late 2021 Model 3 builds. Early 2021 model 3 did not have it.
As an owner of both Model S and M3P there is a huge difference in the road noise in the cabin. S is very quiet and refined. M3P is disappointing to say the least.
I think it's fair to say that you have high standards fella. I'm not sure how many avg consumers would be disappointed with a M3P
@@Lewis_Standing my comment is only in respect of the road noise comparison. Don’t get me wrong I love the M3P in all other respects. The main point is that when I occasionally drive Mrs Meads M3P and so change from my S to hers the difference is distinctly noticeable. Some might say it’s because it’s a cheaper car but it’s a £60k car now.
Can’t wait for model Y in Europe
These real life tests are excellent and the only way to accurately compare EV range and consumption. Keep them coming.
I think the big issue is the comfort, thinking the Model S would be a lot quieter during the drive and with that suspension smoother, so you pay for more than just increased range. Surprised by the efficiency of the Model S!
The Model S is heavier but on the other hand has a better Cd than the Model 3, so that's why they end up having similar consumption figures.
@@boostav Model S Cd is 0.24
Model 3 Cd is 0.23
The M3 seem very noisy... could hardly hear what they guy said.... Although I am not the same Tesla fan that you guys seem to be I really like your channel.
He didn’t have a microphone unlike me, that’s why the difference...
Always the assumption that "Tesla fans" aren't "EV fans".
I would ask you why you're not a "Tesla fan" (the undeniable benchmark) as part of the "EV fan" collective?
@@rogerstarkey5390 I am certainly not against T, on the contrary I think the world owes mr Musk a lot for pursuing in his endevours in electrifying the car market. It is just that when you have been driving cars for over 45 years you have a perception of what a car and the drivers position should look like. The quality issues many refers to is perhaps not a major concern for me. I have had so many cars by now that I know that most cars have their issues... I might change my mind one day but for now I am not a Tesla fan...
Hey Richard, nice comparison, but something does add up in the maths.
You mentioned the 3LR has a 73.5kWh usable battery (assuming there is no degradation and not taking in the 20 mile reserve beyond zero) and you averaged 239Wh/mi then that would work out at 307 miles?
If you calculate it another way, if it used 54kWh to go 224.7 miles then the remaining 19.5kWh (again assuming no degradation) would be roughly 80 miles, so 80 + 225 = 305 miles?
It used 54kWh which you have stated is 81% of the battery, therefore, the 19% would equal to roughly 10kWh and that would mean the battery has degraded 10kWh to 64kWh?
Same with the Model S math.
I dread to think what you used to record the water running sound. Was it on a toilet break?
At the end of the trip mic was still on🤣
Was a test for new employee right there😅passed with flying colours 😂
real world driving 270+ miles for LR M3 is fine. its a bit slower to charge but about how many thousand pounds cheaper?
Richard is there any air or adaptive suspension aftermarket options for the model 3 ? Especially on the 20 inch rims the ride can be very rough and it doesn’t look like Tesla aren’t working on it much .
No known aftermarket as yet. And yes 20” especially it’s firm, but they are all really, like most modern car it seems.
They’re high performance at the end of the day so need to retain body control
Amazing how much noisier the cabin is on the 3,really noticeable on the video.
Sorry it’s deceptive, we didn’t have second tie mic so it’s not that much different!
@@RSEV aha!
Having owned both, the difference is not that great. Most of it in Model 3 is A pillar, mirrors and road, but it’s still quieter than most comparable ICE. Only car I’ve owned quieter is Lexus LS .
Model s is more quiet than 3 and it seems it have better efficiency (it weight more than 3 but has similar kWh/km usage)
Was looking at the model 3 LR new but the S is now £50k low mileage but need to travel to Manchester to london and. Back to Oxford services for a charge around 240 miles which one do you think is best? My only concern is I travel at around 80mph and like to use the performance so might not reach your figures...
Really need to drive both to be honest. In my opinion the S is the better motorway cruiser but the 3 is still good, newer and charges faster.
S100d at 80mph should cover 240 miles but the 3 LR probably not. Only a 5 min top up required though abs there’s Oxford services, Warwick services, Keele and more...
@@RSEV appreciate the reply! I have a 40kw leaf as a 2 car for now and average 135 Miles. Had a Base model3 for 2 weeks was disappointed with the range only ever showed 210 Miles max. But enjoyed the performance so prob my doing 😉
is it a refresh Model 3 with heat pump and the larger battery?
No on both counts, it's a 2019 model.
@@boostav ah, would be nice to see this again with the refresh if you find one of the latest with the larger battery.
I did drive my 2019 3P to Denmark and Germany before Korona. No issues even on autobahn due to superchargers
I have a Model 3 Performance 2020 and on the V3 Supercharger i get about 230-240kW up to 25-28% so your charging speed on the M3 LR sounds very low.
Looking back since recording it did pop up to c. 190kw very briefly but soon dropped. When I looked after a few mins it was already at 134kw.
I’ve had plenty of my own model 3’s and yes when warm can get 200kw or so briefly but always drop down.
Newer bigger and more plentiful v3’s will help.
Still fast...
I thought the UK Ravens had CCS?
Nope.. only the adapter.
I wonder how they’ll fit a native ccs in the revised model next year... or won’t they?
73.5kWh divided by 0.239kWh/mile equals to 307.5 miles range for the Model 3.
Did both cars have precondition of batteries set before arriving on site ?
Without doing this regardless of driving for hours they will not achieve peak charge rates.
They both precondition when heading towards the supercharger. It’s not an option you turn on. They just do it.
@@powersurge6878
If the nav is set. If you know where is is and just drive there, the car won't know it's going to be changed.
@@rogerstarkey5390 yes that’s what I meant. Should have specified navigate to supercharger.
The cars would not have needed preconditioning as they had both been driving for 2+ hours.
I have charged model 3 LR at 250KW on V3 several times
Given the higher state of charge on Model S it's not surprising it charged more slowly. That's not really a fair comparison because you could keep going in the S, charging only once SoC got down to about 10%.
I've mentioned this on some of your earlier videos, but I'm surprised how slow your v3 Superchargers are with Model 3. Over here in the US I'd almost certainly hit the full 250 kW if I plugged in at 9% SoC after coming off a long highway drive, and it would maintain that up to 20%. Of course our Superchargers use their own proprietary connector over here, not CCS. Maybe that has something to do with it.
Re SOC v charge speeds yes indeed as the 3 get full it slows whereas the S is lower soc so can pull more. Didn’t really matter and couldn’t really extend any more time to explain. The 3 did actually hit 190kw which we didn’t see at the time, only on reply afterwards (and I’ve pinned a comment) but above that is pretty rare to see (I’ve been driving model 3 for couple years).
Probably due to temperatures.
Intro sound is only on the right channel. Hurts on AirPods Pro. 🤯
Ah sorry!
Pardon?
Although this video is old already, I am astonished that you never get your M3 to charge at speeds above 200 kW on a V3 no matter the SOC. On my M3LR 2023 I always get above 200 kW even starting @ 20% SOC on a V3.
Not surprised really. The model 3 and model S have the same aerodynamic shape, and the raven models have the same basic motor design (more efficient), so on a flat motorway, the efficiency should be similar. I think if you were supercharger hopping, the higher peak charging speeds of the model 3 might be slightly faster, but for deeper charges, the more flat charging curve of the model S is ideal.
You’re quite right...
model 3 motor sits in the front of the Raven S, and yes the model 3 could probably hop about faster in theory. Both charge as quick as needed and go as far as you could want !
I just learned that the new Nio ET7 has a 150 kwh battery, on sale next year, so I hope Tesla have an upgrade coming.
Plaid plus
I don’t think batteries need to be bigger!
They’re already enough. Just need to be cheaper and lighter.
@@RSEV Yes, watching your videos has made it clear that with the Tesla charging network, charging speeds and my 64 yr old bladder, a bigger battery is not needed! Also the good old highway code says to take a minimum of 15mins every 2 hours so there's your resting, peeing and charging all sorted!
Its not about how big the battery is. Its how efficient the car is?
@@RSEV EV range is still terrible, eagerly awaiting Tesla pickup.
I thought the S,3 and Y had the same seats? Sandy Monroe on his tear down looked at the sticker on the bottom.
Not here at least, definitely not. Look different, are different.
Sandy stated the Model 3 seats were the best he’s ever ridden on.
@@alexnutcasio936
For him
He's not the largest guy in the world.
As a 6ft 4, 20 stone dude I don’t take my comfort tips from Sandy and his little frame
Keep in mind you need to declare power unlock or it will invalidate your insurance.
What are you talking about?
@@powersurge6878 I suspect he means hacking the Model S to upgrade to Performance level.
@@mddah01 you can’t upgrade the Model S. If you hack it you wouldn’t want to declare that to the insurance because it’s a void. Why hack it in the first place? Don’t even understand the point of this comment. There was no mention of any power unlocked or anything like that.
@@powersurge6878 I think there individuals (and some companies) that offer hacks to improve performance - I assumed that 'power unlock' was referring to that
@@mddah01 yes I know there are a few companies but I don't understand why he even mentioned it here because there was no mention of power unlocks at all. Probably commented on the wrong video.
Time to do these tests in an ID.3 Tour, and possibly a Taycan RWD. Both cars manage 300+ miles real world, but the ID.3 is £10k cheaper and more practical than the Model 3. I had the RWD for a couple of days and was stunned by its range. The offset was that it was like driving a car in treacle compared to my Turbo S (which incidentally is now managing 250 miles on a charge due to the incredibly efficient range mode).
Really interesting, not sure the extra range is worth an extra £30K (could have a Zoe, and a really nice holiday, with the price difference)
The MODEL S will deliver many "really nice holiday" in style and comfort all over Europe.
We had a Renault Zoe great little car did every thing well but TESLA wow 👏 EXCITING worth every penny 👍to me 🤣
@@buzzofftoxicblog791 I meant you can have a M3LR, a Zoe (for the run to the shops), and a nice holiday, for the price of the S!
Your comparison is flawed. The range difference is not the only difference. The model S is a much larger car with better interior, better seats, better suspension, better interior sound deadening, it's a much more premium car than the model 3.
@@ouch1011 perhaps the "tongue in comment" didn't come across in text so well, of course the S is a premium model compared to the 3.
Using the range mode is the cause of the disappointing peak charge rate on the Model S. It limits badly the preconditioning of the battery and should not be used on road trips with fast charging.
S looks much better,, but your personal waterfall moment? Really taking the p.....roverbial 😁
‘Goes like a stabbed rat’
I’m stealing that and bringing it to Atlanta!
🐁🔪
We say “ goes like a scalded dog.” Or, “ goes like a raped ape.”
@@alexnutcasio936 Ha! Where do you live?
it was already stolen from James May
@@thelifeofbatteries2603 Perfect. James May is my spirit animal.
to reach 300 miles range on a EV you need to pay at least 80k ?
14:38 The Model 3 LR clearly hit 195kW
That's pretty good
From the film it seems that the Model S is a lot quieter.
Answered elsewhere, no external microphone used in the 3
2:48 Oh my, you are riding on the wrong side of the road 😳
Sorry, forgot it was UK🤣😂🤣
😂
If these cars never reach their peak range or potential, why is it even called peak range or potential.
Model s is great for its price. The range does matters, I get around 150miles for my model 3 Performance. If I drive good maybe 200, the 315 as they claimed is not true.
You are doing something very wrong.
In a video made with CarWow, Richard’s Model 3 Performance does 270 miles till it dies. So you’re definitely doing something wrong if you’re only getting 200 miles
I floored it ahhaha
@@evkupokemonss1778 Well petrol cars don't get their estimated mpg if you floor them either.
@@powersurge6878
Ah ... The Dumb test!