I never even watched the show and the sassy grandma is already one of my favorite characters next to Amaryllis which are the 2 only characters I actually like in this terribly written series.
Ironically, it's Parsley's voice actor who handled the backlash the best. She's actually surprisingly chill, admits to the show's faults, and frequented HGS redesign videos with surprising levels of warmth. She even held a few voiceover classes and was very friendly and encouraging to attendees.
Yeah from my experience it’s been like that too. I’ve done some HGS redesigns and a commission with Slime Boy, Amaryllis and Snapdragon; my friend sent them to her; and she was really nice about it. Raye Rodriguez also liked and commented on them too and was really nice about it
The main problem with High Guardian Academy is that it leans too hard into "quirky magical school" for the sake of being a "quirky magical school." It is like the writers saw Hogwarts and the school in Little Witch Academia and said "I can do that too" without understanding that the school is supposed to teach things and effectively serve as a plot point in the story. Hogwarts is central to a lot of the plot in HP because SO many students and teachers have a history or active presence there. The school is basically a character in the story, and should be treated as such. HGA goes through the motions, opting for quirky inconsequential situations and "lol look how much danger the students are in because the teachers don't care lol so funny." Which is another issue. The teachers at HGA are, dare i say, indifferent at best and utterly sadistic at worst. They fling the students into danger and laugh at them when they're not prepared, because they PURPOSELY refuse to prepare them despite the fact that it is literally their job to do so.
And once again, them never explaining what Guardians are or what they do rears its poorly animated head. In Harry Potter, Hogwarts and the other magic schools are basically the wizarding equivalent of middle/high school, which is why the classes are so varied. And in other settings like My Hero Academia, Little Witch Academia, Owl House... heck, I will even throw in lesser examples like RWBY and Infinite Stratos... the classes are relevant to what the students will be doing, what they came to the school to learn. Not so in High On Spice. We don't know what Guardians are or what they do, but we do know it's not something everyone does ("High Guardian Academy doesn't just accept anybody", said by Daddy Sage in episode 1), so the purpose of these classes is just confusing.
Given the fact that this show was pitched, greenlit, funded, animated, voiced, edited and then released, that gives me hope that I can make my own show in the future, cuz if something this bad can be released to the world, than anything I make can as well.
Pretty sure only reason this show was given the green light was on its production team and vaules were being used. So i guess if you're gonna do that be careful.
Hopefully. The animation industry is a cutthroat business nowadays, especially considering the SAG-AFTRA strikes, budget cuts, corporate meddling (as in the case of Disney) and a growing movement to replace Western animators with AI and discontent with the general population against Western animation, I hope that you do well in your endeavors despite all those I mentioned.
For me I want to teach future artists and writers about the failures of HGS as a way to make them learn about what not to do with your show. I think that teaching art in my country has coddled too much on beautiful examples of works to study those. I want to do the opposite by displaying instead a bad case of art so that people will learn more on what to avoid.
In reality, having a teacher do the same class subject at a different time is common if the school districts are large enough But when you’re a tv show you don’t need to do that, just put them in the same class together
Honestly, you don't even really need to give much of an explanation for why or how they're in the same class together since (if the show is good enough) nobody is going to question it.
"You don't need rules when your face is a blowtorch" sounds like something you'd come up with when you play that game where you just hit your phone's auto-suggest choices over and over again.
"fairy woods".... Do they just mean she's an elf? Or a ranger? Because in dnd, elves are naturally magical in some way, but rangers in dnd are a mix between fighter/rogue and wizard/cleric. Like, legit, they could have just said she wanted to do both, like a ranger, she already uses a bow. Or just say that since she's an elf, she has to take both.
I've heard reports that it was actually funded by foreign investors and not from CR's streaming revenue, and while I do hate Crunchyroll as a company, I'll admit that this does seem like the more realistic explanation.
"No orientation; only dis-orientation" perfectly summarizes how badly this school is to comprehend. Between this and "There are no small potatoes; only large mouths" in episode 1, it's like the writers are self aware about how bad this show is.
And do literally nothing to fix it....Hey, it's a call-back to Mr. Enter....Ya know..."What I'm doing is wrong, I know it's wrong, but I'm gonna do it anyways"
Writing Tip: With serious characters like Thyme you should introduce them by showing they have someone in there life they can let there guard down around. Just having her act distant with everyone at the start means a writer struggle to flesh her out and convince there audience she is worth caring about. I prefer to introduce serious characters with traits such as parents, as a sibling, or a pet owner.
Kind of funny since they seem to try to do that with Parsley since she is one of the few people early on Thyme is willing to casually talk to and seems to get along with. But the two barely have much development together as the show goes on and fade into the background a bit compared to Sage and Rose.
Reminds me of the first few episodes of the 90's X-Men cartoon were it's established that despite being a hard-ass Wolverine was pretty close to Morph as he was the only person who could make him laugh (an obscure reference I know, but it was the first thing my mind went to).
Yes actually. I feel like maybe this excuse would work if they said there's so many students which is why colleges do that, but we never see the same with Hogwarts, or even beacon academy in rwby.
I think some High Schools do this but it's usually when they do an Even-Odd rotation system of classes each day and when the school is large but here, it seems small
@@board-qu9iu that's my problem with it. The school doesn't seem big, at least not as big as Hogwarts which I don't think had this issue. Either that or Rowling just never thought it was worth writing about in any of her books.
One thing - as to Mr. Enter questioning why they would be talking about destiny in an ethics class - that actually makes total sense. All philosophers of ethics discuss destiny. If something is predestined to occur, than arguably the person who does it had no free will and so bears no responsibility for it. The question of whether destiny is real or not is very much tied into questions of ethics
It is however arguably the most pointless part of the class because there's nothing you can do with the information either way. Our modus operandi is that we have free will, so that being the answer gives us nothing we didn't already have. And if we don't have free will, if it is all destiny, then, because we don't have free will, there is literally nothing we can do about it.
@@DragonGoddess18 You are basically correct, yes. Determinism means to believe that all occurences are predetermined by factors outside of human control.
Funfact, crunchyroll (who has the rights of hgs) dosnt care about the show at all that theres a channel that has uploaded the entire series here on youtube for almost a year and hasnt recived a single copyright claim from CR
Not only are Parsley and Thyme generic, but Rosemary is basically just a human fighter with a sword. She's the most generic fantasy main character and DnD choice there is
@nekonomicon Yep. Especially when Rosemary's whole deal was trying to find her mother & yet does nothing to accomplish that throughout the entire show.😂
I like to believe that ethics teacher is an actual demon since it makes Thyme’s and Parsley’s subplot in episode 10 look dumber then it already was. Like the whole subplot was thyme summoning a demon to get ahold of her dad, so she risks her life doing that rather then just going to a demon you already take class’s with, just tell her about the situation and she can just effortlessly make a portal for thyme to go to her dad.
Yeah i was just thinking that the demon teacher teaching ethics is just the joke. And only reason the writers made it that way because they probably thought it was the most amusing thing.
@@nekonomicon2983 And all they accomplish is making more plot holes in the show already filled with them and making the main characters look more like idiots than they already are.
@@nekonomicon2983 Funnily enough, a demon teaching ethics could be quite clever in the hands of a better writer. It's not like it would be the first time in fiction we saw a demon turn to the light; just in this case instead of the demon fighting it's own kind it strives to make a difference by teaching mortals the importance of morality.
I always like trying to rewrite bad shows and movies, but for this show I'd only be keeping part of the skeleton of the script. Here I actually like the idea of the girls barely sharing classes, with an astrix. I'd want each pair of girls to share a class, as well has having a class all together and a class all alone. This way, you can tell whatever story you want, one focused on these two characters, one focused on the group, or one focused on a main character and a side character. Also, they should share a room, that way their bonding still feels natural despite them barely spending the day together. I do like a demon teaching ethics, but like you said you have to do something with that. Maybe the demon seems to be teaching how to bend ethics and rules to suit your needs, but when a student speaks out against this the demon actually supports them, with the end lesson being there's no one correct way to view ethics, you just have to do what you think is right. As for the poisoned tea, I actually love that idea, but only for higher level students. You shouldn't make kids on their first day think they're going to die, but telling kids about to graduate that they've been poisoned and need to brew the cure or else would be a great final exam. And then after class a student accuses the teacher of almost killing them, only for the teacher to reveal that they were poisoned, but it wasn't lethal. I'd even allow it to be a laxative and include a fart joke. But all of this is so far removed from what they do in the show it's no longer a rewrite, it's a new script.
@@nekonomicon2983 Imagine your a die hard harry potter fan that you want to make a actual movie to show it off with Monster inc rip-offs- Cransdon academy monster zone (why this had to exist just to cash in Harry Potter )
Here's an idea for this episode: Instead of giving each character the most stereotypical classes like elves taking archery classes, have the characters START OFF with those classes, finding out that they don't like them, and finding a way to switch tracks. Maybe Thyme would like to try blacksmithing despite everyone telling her she can't because she's an elf (or whatever she is) and elves are "supposed to do archery." Or, one time I saw the RUclipsr Guardian HQ do a rewrite of the scene between Rosemary and Caraway and they had Rosemary choose to do weapon enchantment for her Everything Hours. It might be interesting to see a wreckless warrior like Rosemary learning some magic that can apply to her warrior status. I'm thoroughly convinced that everyone on the show staff was drunk or high while working on this because there are IDEAS here that were staring them right in the eye and they just flat-out ignored them.
Remember. RWBY did it better, and extra curriculars in that universe could be taken as a way of self meditation or to improve other skills. Artists could find issues on a Grimm hunt, for example, or sketch out a trail. Also they kinda had one United goal: Hunt Grimm and Protect Society, no mindless "oath" unless part of groups or a sect. And yes, this is considering where the series went. This is all just considering the lore as given prior to Atlas
The headmasters are clearly intended to represent the pagan trinity of the maid, the mother, and the crone - the phases of womanhood. Their crone also seems to be going with the old woman who says whatever she thinks because she doesn't care what people think anymore (think Olenna Tyrell from Game of Thrones)... But the crone doesn't show any kind of wisdom, just grumpiness. They're not the same thing. And the maiden/mother/crone dynmic feels too disjointed, so I can see they're making a reference, but they're not doing anything wth it. (Not that i think these writers are smart enough to do anything with it.)
Hooray, the train wreck continues. There is something relaxing about someone breaking apart why something doesn't work. Helps remind you, your not the only person who makes mistakes.
Fun Fact: The funding that was used for this show was supposed to go towards japanese anime studios so that the japanese animators could get paid fairly. Turns out that was a lie and Crunchyroll instead used the money for what is essentially a glorified "Diversity-Equity-Inclusion" PSA, except somehow a little more pandering and patronizing, and the actual japanese animators that were promised funding got nothing.
Do you mean Dave from Guardian HQ’s dub (his Abridged Series)? I don’t recall Spilling the Milk doing a dub. I thought they just watched and reacted to it.
Two episodes in & we have no idea what a Guardian is. RWBY, Naruto, MHA, Black Clover etc. All of these shows tell you what Huntsmen/Huntresses, Shinobi, Heroes, & Magic Knights do in their respective fields of expertise. HGS does none of that. Enter is right that it is literally someone's first D&D campaign in animated form.😂
I agree with almost everything you've observed; but as someone who taught before, I think I understand the scheduling aspect. When the schools I taught in were block-schedule (4 classes one day, a different 4 classes the next), it was completely possible for two students to have the same subject at different times on different days. For example, if I had 3 Spanish I classes, I would teach the same lesson 3 times over the course of 2 days. I think it doesn't work for HGS though, because the first-year class is so small, so even guardians on different tracks could absolutely take the same class at the same time and free up the teacher's schedule to teach the more advanced classmen (that we never saw in the show). If they ABSOLUTELY needed to separate Sage and Rosemary, they needed to do what Harry Potter did and put them in different houses, with certain houses sharing a class (like Gryffindor shared potions with Slytherin in first year). There should also be a narrative reason for this. In their separate classes, Sage and Rosemary might discover different clues and plot points and meet after class to compare notes to solve a mystery. But hey, I've never worked on a professional storyboard before, so...
Maybe Mr Enter went to a smaller school, the scheduling plan can vary depending on the number of students and the ratio to the teachers, needing to juggle the staff's time between several hundred students.
The fact that the potions teacher poisons the students and its treated as a joke, really shows how tone deaf this show is. But apparently, You can't afford proofreading with a small budget
But they ALL have seperated classes because they are on seperate tracks, outside of Rosemary and Percival who have different classes and are both on the warrior track
To be fair, I’ve seen plenty of big budget Hollywood movies written by MEEEEEEEN that apparently couldn’t afford proofreading because the money was needed for gratuitous special effects shots. Hello, Batman v Superman. Or literally any of the Michael Bay Transformers movies.
Probably not, so many people have ripped it to shreds already it feels like there is nothing left to say, but I guess the same could be said for high guardian spice.
That is a severe understatement. High Guardian Spice is largely inoffensive besides its pure lack of quality. Velma is actively bad in every way they could possibly cram into it. High Guardian Spice has passion with zero competence. Velma has only hatred and contempt, including for its own audience. HGS does not hold a candle to the sheer horror that is Velma. HGS teaches you what not to do, how not to write, by making such obvious and glaring mistakes. Velma only crushes your will to to live while teaching you nothing. Velma is millions, billions, TRILLIONS of times worse than HGS. HGS is the bottom of the barrel. Velma is a dimensional abyss under the barrel that never ends, and is filled with lovecraftian nightmares that would make Cthulhu himself soil his little baby diapers. HGS is the worst show possible. Velma is impossibly bad, bending, straining, tearing reality apart with its badness.
I feel like the gripes about the school allowing them to dance or play music isn't warranted, a school whether magic fantasy still needs the arts, sports, etc For student expression, that being said that could have been a good opportunity for world building but anyway...
I agree that the Guardian thing is pretty stupid, mainly because there's nothing definitive about who or what the group are supposed to be. Like, the practicing an art thing is surorisingly real for warriors; Miyamoto Mushashi humself stated to practice an art to better control yourself and temper the soul, but nothing about being a guardian speaks about being a warrior. Personally if I were rewriting it, I'd keep it an academy but with an organizational structure similar to the Templar knights: with different orders focused on certain fields with one main focus of protecting the humanoid races and maintaining order as warrior monks. Knights for traditional warriors, with specialized fighters based on martial art and weapon of choice. Hospitallers for healers and menders. Guardians in fields of medicine and healing magic Conservators as guardians of nature; those who hunt, scout, strategize and are especially trained in using nature, mystically and practically, to uphold the natural order. Librarians as primary magic casters. Mystical barrier lords, artillerists, strategists and catalogers of history, science, arts, and mystical innovation Meisters as the magic R&D department, consisting of artificiers, blacksmiths, machinists, etc. And yes, I came up with this in mere MINUTES.
You're right about the whole Guardian thing never being explained. I think the only time we really get an example is later when Caraway and telling Rosemary about something he and Rose's mother did together and even then it was just a generic monster battle. So even then it doesn't really tell us much.
I had a pretty similar idea for changing the Guardian system, making so either there are different specializations for Guardians or making them these cultured, learned people in addition to being warriors/mages. Particularly since the Guardian's Vow at the end of this episode includes always remembering history and always remaining curious and questioning, which implies Guardians serve much greater purposes to society than just swords-for-hire or whatever. It would have been nice for them to build off that, but they never do...
In defense of having the same class on different days, the academy could have a block schedule, which does 90-minute classes every other day. It doesn’t explain all the other mistakes, but we should be fair-handed here.
I love how all the dialogue sounds so profound and intelligent if you’re only half paying attention but the minute you actually decipher what they’re saying it all falls apart 😂
You make it sound like Brian Griffin wrote the script 😅 (Dialogue struggling to give off a profound vibe, only to come off as pathetically pretentious; yes, it fills all the boxes) 😂
I love how the Triad makes the students make their own Guardian bows for no reason whatsoever, since they don't actually reflect upon them beyond "You're all wrong". Then when they reveal the true guardian code, is just a bunch of scattered ideas that barely relate to each other. And to top it all of, it sounds like a toddlers idea of an epic hero's speech.
Probably the best say to sum up High Guardian Academy, is that its something like Hogwarts meets the Hunter Exam from HunterXHunter, but completely misses the point of either of them. Just does not help that the series just fails to explain or even explore anything about the world. Probably the worst part, is that they leave it open for a Season 2 that will likely never happen.
Friendly advice: If you really want to see a magic school but done better, just watch the Owl House. Even some of the teachers at Hexside have more personality. Even the ones you only really see once.
@@ivorynk752 Nah, for simplification sake, Disney had axed/shorten some shows as a result of covid budget cuts which included the owl house. This was before the show got the spotlight on Disney plus and became really popular. The show was a victim of wrong place wrong time.
@@ivorynk752 At least it had a proper finale, I rather have a show end on a good note rather then drag it out till it eventually jumps the shark and ends in a bad note.
You could give the Blacksmith teacher some OOMPH to his character by having him teach the merits of proper Blacksmithing: "One day, the only thing that can save you, will come from your own two hands...and when destiny calls, you don't want to look foolish with an improperly forged sword now, do you?". (Same idea as 14:10)
I love how this show seemingly tries to break stereotypes and defy expectations by being original, But this isn't even the only pseudo-anime made by a western studio starring four young female characters of various skillsets and backgrounds all going to the same school to learn skills needed to become protectors of their world. This whole show is RWBY, but without the passion, talent, and soul. otherwise known as RWBY past volume 4.
And the obligatory comparison note... Also, RWBY established right from the get-go why the huntsmen/huntresses exist, and thus what the students are going to Beacon Academy to learn. No such thing in High On Spice.
Here's the thing. Extracurricular activities CAN be important, because work-life balance is important. You can't just be learning stressful things every time, all the time. Those good memories and relaxation can indeed help your mental state out in the field. The problem is that the other classes are so shitty the everything hours feel like wasting even more time.
I mean, why not just call it recess, but have the teachers insist on using the available time to learn useful skills not covered in the curriculum? Do they even have teachers to help them learn or examinate their random choices? Must they have these "Everything Hours" during school time? 'cause this just sounds like encouraging students to use their free time wisely by keeping them in school for longer than it's needed. Drawing is stupid in the context of a warrior academy, but in the context of a Police Academy, learning to draw faces based on vague descriptions can help hunt and locate targets. Also can serve as hobby to unwind... *But does the school need to request this from their students?*
@@VelvetIcematoro Trails of Cold steel (part of a long running JRPG series) showed how you can do this well. Basically all the main characters are part of a military academy. It's a prestigious academy, meaning that while. majority will go into armed service, it's a pedigree that can allow you to go to other fields. So there are classes like Math, Science and Combat Tactics, alongside economics, art and music classes. But students are also encouraged to form their own clubs which they go to every week or so, or work for the student council. Once a month there's also a free day where students can go to the townclose to the school, take a train to the cities nearby... Or focus on club work. It's actually even better in Cold Steel 3 because your hub is in a new branch facility of the main campus. The principal is blunt, powerful and has a fearsome reputation, and says without hesitation that it's basically a dumping ground for "problematic" students (whether out of citizenship, unusual background etc.). Since the main campus and the country in general has become increasingly militarized and club activities weren't even part of the budget in the branch campus, the principal used her own money to provide supplies for clubs and forced students into an ultimatum: Either they make or join a club, or be forced to become part of the student council working under her, and she's perfectly aware that she scares everyone. So now she's forcing the students to become individuals, differentiate themselves from the main campus and become less militarized while forming them holistically as more than future soldiers.
The big thing is, we never find out what a Guardian is. We know they fight stuff, but that’s it. are they soldiers? A police force? The kingdom’s enforcers? Are they just the world’s greatest chefs who like to gather their own exotic ingredients? We don’t know, we never find out
A guardian usually is guardian something, may be something (like the mother emerald Knuckles guarded), or a sacred temple. The show took enough time to make it about the potion that should be taken "every months". But that didn't explained the background of Lavender, it didn't explained what a guardian is in this show. Even the tree-headed dogs from Harry Potter had a role, only music could made him sleeping, thus, granting acess to the trials and the stone.
I'm starting to think we'll make it through this whole series without a clear idea of what a guardian actually is. Or else it's a feel-good job where you decide what it means, but then where does the money come from? (A bad answer is allowed, but you can't have no answer.) The poison plot could totally work if the teacher isn't a psychopath. Set the stage by explaining that if your heart races, the poison will spread more quickly, so it's important to stay calm under duress to make that antidote you need. Have someone faint before class is over and start a panic, while the teacher encourages everyone to focus on what they're doing. Better still, have this student be Thyme, hinting that the one who shows the least fear is quietly experiencing the most. Then when everyone has created their antidote and is back to fretting over their fallen friend, have the teacher remove their poison with a spell based on the same antidote, and explain that this poison takes 2 hours between fainting and dying (the danger was real, but nobody was actually going to die today). Go on to explain that in the world of magic, students are going to make mistakes which could be deadly, and like any good school, this school will give them the chance to make many mistakes with the least amount of danger possible. Don't get too relaxed over that, because the consequences will be real if no one is there to bail you out. And you're going to need help when things go wrong, so don't embarrass each other too much when someone bungles an assignment--your turn will come. Why do writers come so close before they fall short?
I really like the idea of the poison teacher using fake poison to scare the students and showing that the world is dangerous, a shame It is not actually written on the show.
"Welcome to our wondrous academy, where you'll learn we have no idea what we're talking about, can't schedule people with similar professions & skills worth a damn, and hire awful abusive monsters as our professors!" ...Oh, who am I kidding, that's the most realistic thing out of this entire show! O.o Jokes aside, I can only imagine the heart attack my mom would have if she had to organize classes that were so badly cobbled together as this. Also, yeah, that whole "free period, go do whatever you want" thing would be fine if it wasn't a REQUIRED expectation of the student body...kinda like how clubs work? You know...learn new OPTIONAL skills to branch out and figure out what interests you? Making it a requirement just adds even MORE unnecessary expectations and compounds what stress the students may already be experiencing: "Do this optional thing that isn't actually an optional thing or you'll fail and never become a Guardian", basically. I do love the irony of that whole "we're gonna break out of established conventions...by making the dwarf a blacksmith and the elf a ranger. SO non-conventional! Woo!" mind-set, too, btw. I liked your idea better with the blacksmith character (I...already forgot her name, I'm sorry XD): maybe establishing that she may not even really want to be, but familial pressure of upholding tradition forces her to be one, or even having it where she thinks she knows what she's doing but revealing that she's actually an amateur or only knows how to make certain things and has to learn to step outside her comfort zone to be truly versatile as a blacksmith SHOULD be. Or, heck, if we wanna really go outside established conventions, hint early on that she really wants to do something else, like potion-brewing or learn magic, so maybe she decides to start intentionally flunking blacksmithing to get moved to a different class or something, that way we can establish this character has real, human flaws & emotions and, heck, even help to develop the professor as maybe someone who takes notice and wants to genuinely help his students improve and foster positive learning. Surely, as someone who loves to write and develop characters, it can't be THIS fucking difficult to do something so...BASIC!? >.>
- So much wrong with the Ethics class scene...First off, Rosemary's apathy, which I'll get back to. Second, it seems to try setting up Snapdragon as a rival to Rosemary, like Amaryllis seems to be for Sage...except the most animosity between them is when Rose tried bothering him with a random picture shew drew. Third, the lesson shown suggests that the form of the two creatures alone determines their temperaments - I think a better lesson would have each creature act pretty much the same no matter their form. - I've considered a better solution to making an antidote to Redbud's poison: get a "refill" of tea from the dispenser that Redbud presented. Usually, the best way to make specific antidotes is with the poison you're trying to treat. Other than that, this is when Sage proves herself better than any students that specialize in New Magic with her Old Magic alone - she's already a prodigy, but still acts like an underdog in the rest of the series. - Putting aside how vague Sage's antidote-making method is, and how ridiculous it is for Parsley to make a full second dagger with only two hammer strikes...they do at least prove to have a place in this academy. Rosemary, though? She doesn't care to learn anything from Ethics, she bungles everything in Everything Hours, messes up the Tree pose and knocks everyone over, and takes forever to wrangle her dragon whelp after everyone else has finished (including the apparently physically-inferior Snap). What was it Sage's nameless father said again? "High Guardian Academy doesn't just accept anyone, you know." This line suggests that only the best of the best young teens are chosen. So from what we've seen, Rosemary shouldn't have been accepted! {sigh} At the very least, she does make some visible effort...unlike _Thyme._ - Amusingly, despite being two of the main characters, and one of them being the protagonist, Rosemary's and Snapdragon's vows are just glossed over with a single word each. Hell, Sage has a more meaningful vow about everyone realizing their potential - that alone gives her way more protagonist energy than Rose! Ah, whatever. The Triad called all of their vows wrong, so what they believe as individuals apparently means nothing.
That rant I mentioned going on in the previous episode, we getting there. That being said, Given how badly they fucked it up here, I can tell you the focus of said rant. The World Building. It's nearly Cowabunga Time. Also the Racial Stereotypes, gonna bring that up in said rant.
Putting the main group of characters in the same class is also a way to show their individual aptitudes to the subject within the same scene, and show the teacher interacting with one or more of them for further character work. In Harry Potter for potions for example, Slytherins are favoured, Hermione is criticised by Snape for being too clever, Neville is criticised for not being good and Harry is criticised because sins of the father and all that. All with characters in the same class. For Divination Hermione doesn’t see the merit, Harry and Ron treat it as an easy A but other students like Lavender Brown are more engaged.
The different schedules criticism, while it makes sense as a criticism for the plot's structure, I know from personal experience in college that sometimes professors will have to teach multiple sections of the same class if there's too many students who want/need to take the class. Especially with lower division classes that people take earlier on in their major. There might be several majors that have the same required class to take. For example I'm a Computer Science major, but the lower level programming classes overlap with like 4 or 5 other majors (such as Computer Information Systems, Mathematics, Electrical Engineering, and Computer Engineering), meaning there's a lot of students (on different "tracks") who need to take some of the same lower level classes. And while there are some cases where multiple professors are teaching the same class, sometimes a single professor will teach 2 or even 3 sections of the same class to meet student demand. It doesn't really matter if they're giving the same lecture multiple times a day or even on a different day in the same week (like typically at my college you'll have some Monday/Wednesday classes and Tuesday/Thursday Classes, and sometimes you can choose whether or not you want the M/W section or T/Th section of a class to help with avoiding scheduling conflicts). So yes schedules are this individualized in real life. I can say this from my experience going to college. Not saying the writers handling it this way doesn't hurt the plot (I think thats probably the reason JK Rowling handled Hogwarts Houses the way she did), but a lot of schools (and probably the colleges the writers went to) handle class scheduling similarly to how High Guardian Spice handled it.
Regarding the "Ethics class on different days" (I can't believe I'm defending this show), but that's not uncommon in schools. If the student body is too big to fit in one classroom at the same time, of course you'll need multiple classes to teach the same lesson.
As big of a mess as the show is I understand that the creator had a passion for their ocs, they're important to them and who wouldn't jump at making a show? But this is a show made by people with no experience I think this series could work, as a comic. Let's you fkesh out everything without needing animation, voice acting, and all that
the "low budget" excuse doesn't even work when you consider that plenty of anime were not only made on a even lower budget but look far better than this but they are also usually made with less pay going to the animators working on them
Another issue is that it really gives the whole thing "final year" vibes because THAT is when you have all the specialization on your courses. For a first year, they should all have the basics courses of ethics, basic survival, monsters 101, and whatnot. Yes, seperating them for combat training makes sense with Melees fighting different than mages, fighting different than archers and so on. You can start grouping those together in year 2. Sure, you can give them some chosen-routes, like potion class, blacksmithing and so on, but that is ONE class. So to summarize, the group should only be split for 2 out of at least 6 different classes with the 2 warriors sharing an additional one... I honestly do NOT understand what the point of hardcore splitting the girls up is in the first place. You WANT them to be together and interact! Instead you split them up, have to shove them into classes for which you have to create 4 group of extra characters to fill those classrooms with... And, no, the poson scene would not work even as a lesson about "you could die". 1. They carry around weapons, they KNOW death is an option. 2. The only lesson here is to NOT TRUST THE TEACHERS! That is, for obvious reasons, very bad for a school. What's next? Teacher given wrong instructions on purpose to have students killed? Yeah, I would start to assume they lie to make me go unalive!
And it becomes more apparent just how dysfunctional the education system is as the series progresses. These kids learned nothing of value and were sent on dangerous missions without the proper training. I know this show is supposed to have an adventurous element to it, but first year students could not be properly prepared for real missions.
@6:00-.-I think the implication is that learning magic makes someone incredibly attractive, and therefore she'll be "breaking a lot of hearts" because she'll have to turn down a lot of suitors. Which has some weird implications, but whatever.
Surprisingly enough, having a teacher teach different classes at different times isn’t that unusual, at least where I am. I’ve met coaches who were teachers to English and even a computer science teacher who also taught entrepreneurship classes.
I'm a bit confused about the schedule point. Teachers usually teach the same class multiple times a day to different groups, and student's always have their own schedules to follow. Your schedule might intersect with your peers' at certain points, but just because you're in the same field doesn't mean you share the same time slots. Even narratively I like the idea of separate schedules, showing how someone acts outside of their friend group can be great characterization. It's just the poor writing that makes this not work, not the idea itself.
Okay, hear me out. I think i know what they meant with wood. They seem to be going with the Wuxing, meaning five elements, which did include Wood in place of Air and also had metal. But they failed to set it up and even then when other shows, like TMNT used it they fused it the more known four elements of water, air, earth, and fire. They tried to be clever but failed since they only half explain what they mean and not going through with it, and this is just a google search of info i have.
As soon as the old woman said no orientation only disorientation I expected Sage to respond with something like this: Sage: Wtf is disorientation?😕 Rosemary*looks around*: Uh where are the second & third year students? I found it strange that you don't see any second or third year students. Then again the entire show feels like a first draft badly written fanfic.
When you said you could speak for hours picking at any single detail, it just reminded me of LobsterHero; who literally clocked twice as many hours in his merciless critique than the show's actual runtime. 😅
5:17 maybe they can’t accommodate all the students they assigned to let’s say ethics class at once, so they go in shifts? I went to a place that did that.
All the girls having different classes gives more opportunities for pairings. By default, Rosemary will hang out with Sage and Parsley with Time. But with 4 main characters, there are 6 possible pairings. Often characters will show personality traits they usually don't if they are paired with someone they are usually not. Of course this would require them actually having personality traits beyond the bare minimum.
Trying to fix this system is a daunting task, and I am about to do an abysmal job at it, but hopefully this will give someone else an interesting idea or two. Personally, I like the idea of these Guardians learning things like blacksmithing, pottery, or ethics, in addition to magic and combat stuff. It could be used as a way to make them different than adventurers or mercenaries of other settings. My Guardian system and school reform will build off that. (While ripping off Blue Exorcist a little bit) In this system, Guardians can come in two different broad types. The first type is Defenders. Defenders have a wide range of abilities, mostly in combat but also some knowledge of history, arts, craftsmanship, politics, magic, all that. They can choose to either be mercenary/adventurer types, doing jobs and helping people throughout the world, or settle in as a Defender of a certain town or kingdom. They learn arts/crafts/ethics/history a bit because they do involve themselves in the culture of the world around them and occasionally function as figureheads of sorts, in addition to monster hunting and bandit fighting and all that. The second type is Exemplars. Exemplars choose one area of study/expertise, and focus their life career on that. So you have Blacksmithing Guardians, who focus on everything smithing, from working with all different types of materials to making all kinds of things to learning the smithing methods of different cultures; Magic Exemplars, who learn all they can about magic, from learning spells of all sorts to understanding the nature of magic in the world; Potion/Medicine Exemplars, knowing about all different medicinal and alchemical ingredients, different concoctions, and the effects on bodies; Art Exemplars, seeking to understand art in all its forms across time and cultures, while striving to become great artists themselves; so on and so forth. With this they dedicate themselves to a career involving this specialty and/or become teachers of the next generation. ... There's a few things I would hope this would fix. For one relevant to this review, I hope to fix the schedule confusion: namely, that there would be very different schedules for a Defender and one of the Exemplar paths (and even if they end up sharing some classes, they might still be taught at different levels).
"They will teach the same class to different students" Yes that's... Actually how it works. I work in a school. Half the time they have the same class but different kids for each period.
The show is such a farce itself as a whole. It's more about diversity, and old vs new magic bullshit. Not mocking it would be harder. Also the sexism against males characters..
She’s either a succubus or a Tiefling. According to the wiki, she _is_ a demon. Like a flat-out demon. Teaching an ethics class. I have no idea what a “demon” is in this context, but I can’t help but feel that this was a conscious decision on the writers. And if that’s the case, the characters should have some kind of preconceived notion regarding demons. They should have a reputation. And you _could_ do something interesting with this, too. But I have a feeling nothing interesting _is_ going to be done with this, is it High Guardian Spice?
@@michaelamaya9032 It gets even more confusing after those episodes they eventually summon an actual demon for some teleportation magic or somethin, they do that rather then just get a hold of the ethics teacher who can just make portals appear wherever she wants with no know limitations.
7:32 theory: they wanted to show off all their teachers to get the audience “hooked” and interested in seeing the classes, but panned up quickly because they didn’t want to animate more than 2 frames of the centaur teacher because horses are notoriously hard to animate (which probably is also why we only see her one other time while standing completely still 😂)
Just finished this episode in my own watching to see how bad it was for myself. Enter hit pretty much all major points but one: They're ALREADY painting the 2 of the 4 main heroines as Mary Sues, showing them to be overly capable and competent. Parsely is so good at making daggers that she recieves a standing ovation from the entire class. They just stop what they're doing to applaud. Never mind that you're shaping molten metal and have a time limit. Then she makes a second one, just as good, with like 2 or 3 swings of her hammer. We didn't even see her quench the second one. Her being good at it is fine, and honestly expected if she grew up working in a forge. Just handle the competency montage a little differently. Sage didn't do a lot on her OWN to show a lot of Mary Sueness, but Rosemary constantly stroking her ego gets annoying. "You're gonna be a PERFECT Guardian!" "The Triad loves you so much they made dopplegangers of you just to have MORE of you!" I get the whole idea of being supportive of your friends thing, but Rose is laying it on TOO thick. And why was she the ONLY one trying to make the antidote? I give a pass to the kids whose hands got swapped for feet and tentacles, but everyone else was just panicking and crying. At least they HAD the materials needed and 1 hour to concoct the remedy, but nooooo. As for the rest, Enter was pretty spot on. I will say, for as bloated and long-winded as the Guardian Vows were, the last line does go hard. "If I break these vows, may my body be cast upon the stones, by sword broken, and my name erased." Tweak it slightly, and that could be a great line. Kinda reminds me of the Jedi/Sith Codes, or the Lantern Oaths.
9:16 Here's what I would do: In the past of this world (do we get a name?), Dwarves made weapons for a Dark Lord. As a result, everyone hates Dwarves and now live underground to avoid scorn. However, Parsley's family got kick out of the underground kingdom. She starts out working for Satyr aka the goatman (Who in this version, works to make weapons used by the students). After meeting Rose Mary and Sage, who are nice to her, inspire her to attend High Guardian Academy and become a Gurdian.
Wind, earth, water and trees may actually be representative of the speices? Tees for elves, earth for drawves, wind for... humans? Water for everyone else... They were so close to making it the 5 element system in certain chinese philosophy. It would have been cool to touch on but noooo.
So as someone who has never watched the show... are the headmistresses supposed to be three separate characters or is it actually one person's time-displaced projections? Because it looks to me like the latter.
To give some amount of credit, making the students answer something they don’t know isn’t entirely pointless. I’ve had short quizzes at the beginning of a new class or sometimes a new lesson that are just meant to gauge how much I knew or what i thought something meant. And making it used for something like a stating of personal values in your career is not a terrible idea. Though having said that, I would think telling kids, especially younger kids, they’ll get it wrong and not making it clear that’s either a joke or part of the idea seems like it’d just make them overthink it and generally cause more stress than intended, not to mention that them being “guardians”, which I assume means protectors or peacekeepers of a sort, means having at least a basic template code of honor or something would be good to have to at least lessen the chance of allowing corruption or creating future supervillains.
“You don’t need rules when your face is a blowtorch.” I’m... I’m sorry, what? What does that sentence even mean? I’m tempted to ask for context but I’m genuinely not sure that it would make any more sense regardless.
The setting in this show has been done better in other works of fiction. You (yes, YOU, the one who's reading my comment) can probably come up with something better than a thousand High Guardian Spice employees could.
A very non-stoic elf: Link from Breath/Tears. Guy is a total adventure goblin who likes jumping around with bomb shields, using shields to surf, flying around with a paraglider, eating random stuff he finds, mostly after attempting to cook it but not always, freaking out the awkward Gerudo by walking around their town without a shirt, just randomly deciding to go bug catching for several days, etc. There need to be more fun elves like Link. Zelda herself could definitely take some tips from him.
Link is a Hylian, not an elf. Hylians are closer to humans with them having pointed ears sometimes. The Zelda races closer to elves are the Zora and Rito, but then again, even they are non-stoic.
If they wanted it to be about fantasy, then, they would make it like Ni no kuni and write the character's developpment. Like how Oliver was, from a young citizen without knowledge of magic, to learning it and developping courage as the story goes.
In fairness, at my college teachers in many subjects often teach the same class at several different times, as student classes are divided in 3-4 groups in any given year, each of those groups having a different schedule. This is done partially because a teacher can only actively engage with so many students at once, and also due to room space.
3:16 You know, I think this bit would be intersting, if the setting was a college / university. As that way, you can say "each one is trying to focus on their own different career". You can still have them share some "common knowledge" classes. It even works if you focus on how it is a hardship the main characters need to overcome, if they need to choose between want to make friends or follow their dreams (and that's their main goal)
Like in the previous episode,i am going to say how this episode could have been better: - Now that we are in the academy,we should state how magic should work,after all, this is one of the biggest plot-holes in the series. I know it may gonna drive connections to Fullmetal Alquimist (which i haven't watched,so i don't know if it is truly gonna be connected to it),but i think the difference between old and new magic is the idea between alchemy and quimics. Old magic is the control of the 4 alchemy elements (Fire,Water,Air and Earth),which is a strong ability,but it is hard to control and not very utilized,as you can only control them into their base version, meanwhile, New magic is the power to variate and control other versions of element and stuff related to it. New magic is weaker,but far way easier to control and more used in Lingard than the old magic,as with new magic,you can control the amount of energy of something (for instance: Fire is the presence of energy,so most of that energy can be transfered to something like a steak,giving it more energy and allowing for those of eat so said steak get more energy to fight. Meanwhile, ice is the abscence of energy,so we can transfer energy from, let's say,a tip of an arrow and transfer that energy to ice. The ice will turn into water due to the energy transfered making the molecubes inside of the ice faster and more agitated, meanwhile,since the molecubes of rhe arrow's tip are slower, it will be cold and,if enough energy is transfered,you can actually make it so cold,that arrow tip could freeze somebody's arm as a whole). - Since the girls are new,we could see the disorientation part is due to them, maybe they go to wrong classes, Sage trying to do a spell for cure and end up making poison due to being new to new magic,trying to do something because they think they know,but end up actually showing that they don't know it fully well (Example: Rosemary thinking she knows combat,but in reality,she thinks combat is just beat up stuff by swinging a sword,but combat is more about the usage of a weapon,how should you manuver your weapon, etc) - With the characters,i think it could show in this way: • Rosemary: We could see that she wants to be like her mother - a protector of people who would sacrifice herself for anyone,just to let anyone have one small chance to see another day. In this way, we see her determination, however,we can see how stunborn she is,as she only uses her mother's sword,even tho it isn't good for her. This sword is a defensive weapon, used by strong users because it is a heavy sword, it would be a weapon of to avoid damage and not to deal much and it is used for left-handed people, meanwhile,Rosemary is a stunborn girl who is focuosed on attacking,trying to kill someone in a fast fight, even if she isn't that strong and she is right-handed, meaning this sword is not supposed to be used for her (in my version, Rose will change weapons in the show due to something. She will start with her mother's sword,which once broken in battle [no,it is not unbreakable] will be changed by a bronze dagger [a weapon who is small and doesn't deal alot of damage,but it is a light and faster use weapon],then she gets an offensive sword [a normal sword,not that light and fast,but it deals alot of damage,being an opposite weapon to the dagger,showing to Rose she has to learn to how to be more flexible with weaponry - she can't use her mother's sword everytime and altought the dagger is a good pick, not every battle will be good for the small and wimpy dagger,as the offensive sword can be used for battles that will last longer against a more stronger enemy while the dagger is a weapon to suprise enemies or to use it in fast battles where there's not alot of time to think] and at last,she gains a sword that is her representation of who she is with growth of herself after overcoming her hardships)
They wasted alot of the budget on that stupid trip to the place the girls needed to go in E1, all the unnecessary things for transportation, all of that could've been replaced with something important and necessary.
If you want a more unique take on the magical school, check out the anime, Mashle. It's basically about a skilled Jackie Chan-ish kung-fu Fighter who does not have magical powers, going to a magical school and proceeding to utterly outperform all the spellcasters who do have powers, solely by his pure skill and bare fists. It's really awesome and funny, and a very unique take on it.
Her name is "Wyverna Dretch" which is a reference to two different creatures entirely (one from DnD) that don't fit any of her characteristics. I think she was just made to be the "hot demon lady" in the show.
"too bad one of your strengths isnt writing."
atleast the show is self aware
I never even watched the show and the sassy grandma is already one of my favorite characters next to Amaryllis which are the 2 only characters I actually like in this terribly written series.
@@Flowermations Because they roast the shit out of everyone and they're all so poorly written that a character who roasts them is fun.
@@jmaster4941 You know your show´s badly written when even the supposed ¨mean¨ girl of the series thinks the main cast is bland.
Ironically, it's Parsley's voice actor who handled the backlash the best.
She's actually surprisingly chill, admits to the show's faults, and frequented HGS redesign videos with surprising levels of warmth. She even held a few voiceover classes and was very friendly and encouraging to attendees.
That is ironic, especially when considering Parsley is the only one out of the four who's toleratable.
@@pikachu0Zpretty sure that's less ironic, and more... Pretty sure she's parsley BECAUSE she's... The most pleasant
Yeah from my experience it’s been like that too. I’ve done some HGS redesigns and a commission with Slime Boy, Amaryllis and Snapdragon; my friend sent them to her; and she was really nice about it. Raye Rodriguez also liked and commented on them too and was really nice about it
How can someone so wholesome end up in this mess?
@@cameoshadowness7757 they got some high grade VAs too. It's a trip
The main problem with High Guardian Academy is that it leans too hard into "quirky magical school" for the sake of being a "quirky magical school."
It is like the writers saw Hogwarts and the school in Little Witch Academia and said "I can do that too" without understanding that the school is supposed to teach things and effectively serve as a plot point in the story.
Hogwarts is central to a lot of the plot in HP because SO many students and teachers have a history or active presence there. The school is basically a character in the story, and should be treated as such.
HGA goes through the motions, opting for quirky inconsequential situations and "lol look how much danger the students are in because the teachers don't care lol so funny."
Which is another issue. The teachers at HGA are, dare i say, indifferent at best and utterly sadistic at worst. They fling the students into danger and laugh at them when they're not prepared, because they PURPOSELY refuse to prepare them despite the fact that it is literally their job to do so.
They seem to take "We purposefully trained him[/her/them] wrong, as a joke!" as an actual suggestion instead of parody.
And once again, them never explaining what Guardians are or what they do rears its poorly animated head.
In Harry Potter, Hogwarts and the other magic schools are basically the wizarding equivalent of middle/high school, which is why the classes are so varied.
And in other settings like My Hero Academia, Little Witch Academia, Owl House... heck, I will even throw in lesser examples like RWBY and Infinite Stratos... the classes are relevant to what the students will be doing, what they came to the school to learn.
Not so in High On Spice. We don't know what Guardians are or what they do, but we do know it's not something everyone does ("High Guardian Academy doesn't just accept anybody", said by Daddy Sage in episode 1), so the purpose of these classes is just confusing.
@@insulttothehumanrace3807 agreed. Also, Like for Infinite Stratos mention.
Given the fact that this show was pitched, greenlit, funded, animated, voiced, edited and then released, that gives me hope that I can make my own show in the future, cuz if something this bad can be released to the world, than anything I make can as well.
Pretty sure only reason this show was given the green light was on its production team and vaules were being used.
So i guess if you're gonna do that be careful.
Honestly? Same here!
It's easy; just be brown, female, lesbian, and/or transgender and they'll eat it up. If you're not then good luck
Hopefully. The animation industry is a cutthroat business nowadays, especially considering the SAG-AFTRA strikes, budget cuts, corporate meddling (as in the case of Disney) and a growing movement to replace Western animators with AI and discontent with the general population against Western animation, I hope that you do well in your endeavors despite all those I mentioned.
For me I want to teach future artists and writers about the failures of HGS as a way to make them learn about what not to do with your show. I think that teaching art in my country has coddled too much on beautiful examples of works to study those. I want to do the opposite by displaying instead a bad case of art so that people will learn more on what to avoid.
In reality, having a teacher do the same class subject at a different time is common if the school districts are large enough
But when you’re a tv show you don’t need to do that, just put them in the same class together
I thought that sort of thing was very common.
Yeah, I think it's also done in community colleges too
If this was a magic college sure.
It just seems weird since this place operates like a charter school.
@@andrewgreeb916bingo!
Honestly, you don't even really need to give much of an explanation for why or how they're in the same class together since (if the show is good enough) nobody is going to question it.
"You don't need rules when your face is a blowtorch" sounds like something you'd come up with when you play that game where you just hit your phone's auto-suggest choices over and over again.
It’s smth homsar would say
That quote sounds like something trogdor the burninator would say
That sounds like something a child would....no not even a five-year-old would say something that ridiculous.
@jmaster4941 It sounds like something an alien would say if he was trying to pass himself off as a human child.
Maybe Rosemary is an Irken.
The line can actually work if the person can breathe fire, fire lasers or basically melt things with anything on their face.
It doesn't work here.
"fairy woods"....
Do they just mean she's an elf? Or a ranger?
Because in dnd, elves are naturally magical in some way, but rangers in dnd are a mix between fighter/rogue and wizard/cleric.
Like, legit, they could have just said she wanted to do both, like a ranger, she already uses a bow.
Or just say that since she's an elf, she has to take both.
Congratulations, you just put more thought into it than whoever wrote that line originally.
Remember. CR embezzled money to make this. Money that was supposed to pay for licenses from Japanese studios.
So you could blame this show for drifters not being available for streaming
@@davisthegamelord maybe. They did get complaints from Tokyo TV over delayed due fees right during the same year HGS was announced.
I've heard reports that it was actually funded by foreign investors and not from CR's streaming revenue, and while I do hate Crunchyroll as a company, I'll admit that this does seem like the more realistic explanation.
This show was probably someone’s pet project they used their connections to get underway…even if it meant underhanded tactics
@@dylanbuchanan6511 oh it was definitely that, unfortunately it wasn't a good one
The Succubus Teacher looks like someone ordered that one Woman from the first Episode of Helluva Boss on Wish 💀
The lady who keeps getting her stroller knocked around
The one who murdered her husband and is angry she didn't also murder his mistress?
@@schwarzerritter5724 Yes, that one
@@entityontheinternet Mrs. Mayberry? Don't insult her like that lol
Miss Mayberry would be a much better teacher than Wyverna any day.
"No orientation; only dis-orientation" perfectly summarizes how badly this school is to comprehend. Between this and "There are no small potatoes; only large mouths" in episode 1, it's like the writers are self aware about how bad this show is.
And do literally nothing to fix it....Hey, it's a call-back to Mr. Enter....Ya know..."What I'm doing is wrong, I know it's wrong, but I'm gonna do it anyways"
They're talking out of their asses they call "large mouths"
Hey are you the guy who replied to my comment on DLJadow Miner Ultra Adventure 2 review where the dev stole the suck cannon model from RaC?
@@jakeconer Where?
Writing Tip: With serious characters like Thyme you should introduce them by showing they have someone in there life they can let there guard down around.
Just having her act distant with everyone at the start means a writer struggle to flesh her out and convince there audience she is worth caring about.
I prefer to introduce serious characters with traits such as parents, as a sibling, or a pet owner.
Kind of funny since they seem to try to do that with Parsley since she is one of the few people early on Thyme is willing to casually talk to and seems to get along with. But the two barely have much development together as the show goes on and fade into the background a bit compared to Sage and Rose.
Writing Tip:
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Reminds me of the first few episodes of the 90's X-Men cartoon were it's established that despite being a hard-ass Wolverine was pretty close to Morph as he was the only person who could make him laugh (an obscure reference I know, but it was the first thing my mind went to).
@@cartooncritique6625 That's ok. I use X-Men as reference in handling racism and characters born with powers.
Good tip
Having students attend the same class but on different days seems more like something you'd see in _college,_ not middle school or high school.
Yes actually. I feel like maybe this excuse would work if they said there's so many students which is why colleges do that, but we never see the same with Hogwarts, or even beacon academy in rwby.
Yup
I think some High Schools do this but it's usually when they do an Even-Odd rotation system of classes each day and when the school is large but here, it seems small
@@board-qu9iu that's my problem with it. The school doesn't seem big, at least not as big as Hogwarts which I don't think had this issue. Either that or Rowling just never thought it was worth writing about in any of her books.
One thing - as to Mr. Enter questioning why they would be talking about destiny in an ethics class - that actually makes total sense. All philosophers of ethics discuss destiny. If something is predestined to occur, than arguably the person who does it had no free will and so bears no responsibility for it. The question of whether destiny is real or not is very much tied into questions of ethics
Funnily enough, when I was in philosophy class in college, I also learned about destiny so you're not wrong
It is however arguably the most pointless part of the class because there's nothing you can do with the information either way.
Our modus operandi is that we have free will, so that being the answer gives us nothing we didn't already have.
And if we don't have free will, if it is all destiny, then, because we don't have free will, there is literally nothing we can do about it.
Also,just one more question: does the philosophy of "determinism" believe in destiny or am I thinking of something else?
@@DragonGoddess18 You are basically correct, yes. Determinism means to believe that all occurences are predetermined by factors outside of human control.
Funfact, crunchyroll (who has the rights of hgs) dosnt care about the show at all that theres a channel that has uploaded the entire series here on youtube for almost a year and hasnt recived a single copyright claim from CR
Sauce?
Not only are Parsley and Thyme generic, but Rosemary is basically just a human fighter with a sword. She's the most generic fantasy main character and DnD choice there is
Yeah despite being the main character she's not given much to do. Very strange writing. Or lack there of
@nekonomicon Yep. Especially when Rosemary's whole deal was trying to find her mother & yet does nothing to accomplish that throughout the entire show.😂
I like to believe that ethics teacher is an actual demon since it makes Thyme’s and Parsley’s subplot in episode 10 look dumber then it already was. Like the whole subplot was thyme summoning a demon to get ahold of her dad, so she risks her life doing that rather then just going to a demon you already take class’s with, just tell her about the situation and she can just effortlessly make a portal for thyme to go to her dad.
Yeah i was just thinking that the demon teacher teaching ethics is just the joke. And only reason the writers made it that way because they probably thought it was the most amusing thing.
@@nekonomicon2983 And all they accomplish is making more plot holes in the show already filled with them and making the main characters look more like idiots than they already are.
@@nekonomicon2983 Funnily enough, a demon teaching ethics could be quite clever in the hands of a better writer. It's not like it would be the first time in fiction we saw a demon turn to the light; just in this case instead of the demon fighting it's own kind it strives to make a difference by teaching mortals the importance of morality.
I always like trying to rewrite bad shows and movies, but for this show I'd only be keeping part of the skeleton of the script. Here I actually like the idea of the girls barely sharing classes, with an astrix. I'd want each pair of girls to share a class, as well has having a class all together and a class all alone. This way, you can tell whatever story you want, one focused on these two characters, one focused on the group, or one focused on a main character and a side character. Also, they should share a room, that way their bonding still feels natural despite them barely spending the day together. I do like a demon teaching ethics, but like you said you have to do something with that. Maybe the demon seems to be teaching how to bend ethics and rules to suit your needs, but when a student speaks out against this the demon actually supports them, with the end lesson being there's no one correct way to view ethics, you just have to do what you think is right. As for the poisoned tea, I actually love that idea, but only for higher level students. You shouldn't make kids on their first day think they're going to die, but telling kids about to graduate that they've been poisoned and need to brew the cure or else would be a great final exam. And then after class a student accuses the teacher of almost killing them, only for the teacher to reveal that they were poisoned, but it wasn't lethal. I'd even allow it to be a laxative and include a fart joke. But all of this is so far removed from what they do in the show it's no longer a rewrite, it's a new script.
Lol don't even bother trying to fix this hot mess. It's impossible.
You're better off just creating your own work of fiction.
@@nekonomicon2983 I believe in "there are few bad ideas, just bad writers." Plus it's an excuse to get the creative juices flowing.
@@NatetheNerdy Nice excuse to follow.
@@nekonomicon2983 Imagine your a die hard harry potter fan that you want to make a actual movie to show it off with Monster inc rip-offs- Cransdon academy monster zone (why this had to exist just to cash in Harry Potter )
"Too bad one of your strengths isn't writing."
How can one line just unintentionally yet perfectly summarize the show?
Here's an idea for this episode: Instead of giving each character the most stereotypical classes like elves taking archery classes, have the characters START OFF with those classes, finding out that they don't like them, and finding a way to switch tracks. Maybe Thyme would like to try blacksmithing despite everyone telling her she can't because she's an elf (or whatever she is) and elves are "supposed to do archery."
Or, one time I saw the RUclipsr Guardian HQ do a rewrite of the scene between Rosemary and Caraway and they had Rosemary choose to do weapon enchantment for her Everything Hours. It might be interesting to see a wreckless warrior like Rosemary learning some magic that can apply to her warrior status.
I'm thoroughly convinced that everyone on the show staff was drunk or high while working on this because there are IDEAS here that were staring them right in the eye and they just flat-out ignored them.
Remember. RWBY did it better, and extra curriculars in that universe could be taken as a way of self meditation or to improve other skills. Artists could find issues on a Grimm hunt, for example, or sketch out a trail.
Also they kinda had one United goal: Hunt Grimm and Protect Society, no mindless "oath" unless part of groups or a sect. And yes, this is considering where the series went. This is all just considering the lore as given prior to Atlas
The headmasters are clearly intended to represent the pagan trinity of the maid, the mother, and the crone - the phases of womanhood. Their crone also seems to be going with the old woman who says whatever she thinks because she doesn't care what people think anymore (think Olenna Tyrell from Game of Thrones)... But the crone doesn't show any kind of wisdom, just grumpiness. They're not the same thing. And the maiden/mother/crone dynmic feels too disjointed, so I can see they're making a reference, but they're not doing anything wth it. (Not that i think these writers are smart enough to do anything with it.)
Wow you proved your smarter then lobster hero.
Hooray, the train wreck continues. There is something relaxing about someone breaking apart why something doesn't work. Helps remind you, your not the only person who makes mistakes.
Aaaaaand, I don't have to watch this show.
...you're. Great case in point!
Fun Fact: The funding that was used for this show was supposed to go towards japanese anime studios so that the japanese animators could get paid fairly. Turns out that was a lie and Crunchyroll instead used the money for what is essentially a glorified "Diversity-Equity-Inclusion" PSA, except somehow a little more pandering and patronizing, and the actual japanese animators that were promised funding got nothing.
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To cut the show some slack: Wood is one of the five elements in some eastern mythologies. Thats about it.
As bad as High Guardian Spice might be, the Spilling the Milk dub is one of the best things to come out of it.
Do you mean Dave from Guardian HQ’s dub (his Abridged Series)? I don’t recall Spilling the Milk doing a dub. I thought they just watched and reacted to it.
@@vixenrevitup Maybe. I remember a video where an episode was talked over and the milk crew was in it.
Spilling the Milk has their moments but over time I found them annoying
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Two episodes in & we have no idea what a Guardian is. RWBY, Naruto, MHA, Black Clover etc. All of these shows tell you what Huntsmen/Huntresses, Shinobi, Heroes, & Magic Knights do in their respective fields of expertise. HGS does none of that. Enter is right that it is literally someone's first D&D campaign in animated form.😂
I agree with almost everything you've observed; but as someone who taught before, I think I understand the scheduling aspect. When the schools I taught in were block-schedule (4 classes one day, a different 4 classes the next), it was completely possible for two students to have the same subject at different times on different days. For example, if I had 3 Spanish I classes, I would teach the same lesson 3 times over the course of 2 days. I think it doesn't work for HGS though, because the first-year class is so small, so even guardians on different tracks could absolutely take the same class at the same time and free up the teacher's schedule to teach the more advanced classmen (that we never saw in the show).
If they ABSOLUTELY needed to separate Sage and Rosemary, they needed to do what Harry Potter did and put them in different houses, with certain houses sharing a class (like Gryffindor shared potions with Slytherin in first year). There should also be a narrative reason for this. In their separate classes, Sage and Rosemary might discover different clues and plot points and meet after class to compare notes to solve a mystery. But hey, I've never worked on a professional storyboard before, so...
Maybe Mr Enter went to a smaller school, the scheduling plan can vary depending on the number of students and the ratio to the teachers, needing to juggle the staff's time between several hundred students.
The fact that the potions teacher poisons the students and its treated as a joke, really shows how tone deaf this show is.
But apparently, You can't afford proofreading with a small budget
But they ALL have seperated classes because they are on seperate tracks, outside of Rosemary and Percival who have different classes and are both on the warrior track
@@GameBreaker1055What does that have to do with anything?
@@jlev1028 Comment on the proof reading part.
They propably didn't want any MEEEEEEEN to proofread the scripts.
To be fair, I’ve seen plenty of big budget Hollywood movies written by MEEEEEEEN that apparently couldn’t afford proofreading because the money was needed for gratuitous special effects shots.
Hello, Batman v Superman. Or literally any of the Michael Bay Transformers movies.
Mrenter, I hope you review Velma (2023) someday, cause that triples high guardian spice in awfulness.
Probably not, so many people have ripped it to shreds already it feels like there is nothing left to say, but I guess the same could be said for high guardian spice.
That is a severe understatement. High Guardian Spice is largely inoffensive besides its pure lack of quality. Velma is actively bad in every way they could possibly cram into it. High Guardian Spice has passion with zero competence. Velma has only hatred and contempt, including for its own audience. HGS does not hold a candle to the sheer horror that is Velma. HGS teaches you what not to do, how not to write, by making such obvious and glaring mistakes. Velma only crushes your will to to live while teaching you nothing. Velma is millions, billions, TRILLIONS of times worse than HGS.
HGS is the bottom of the barrel. Velma is a dimensional abyss under the barrel that never ends, and is filled with lovecraftian nightmares that would make Cthulhu himself soil his little baby diapers. HGS is the worst show possible. Velma is impossibly bad, bending, straining, tearing reality apart with its badness.
How could you wish such a fate on anyone?
Velma makes me want to throw up.
He said he's never reviewing it
I feel like the gripes about the school allowing them to dance or play music isn't warranted, a school whether magic fantasy still needs the arts, sports, etc For student expression, that being said that could have been a good opportunity for world building but anyway...
I agree that the Guardian thing is pretty stupid, mainly because there's nothing definitive about who or what the group are supposed to be. Like, the practicing an art thing is surorisingly real for warriors; Miyamoto Mushashi humself stated to practice an art to better control yourself and temper the soul, but nothing about being a guardian speaks about being a warrior.
Personally if I were rewriting it, I'd keep it an academy but with an organizational structure similar to the Templar knights: with different orders focused on certain fields with one main focus of protecting the humanoid races and maintaining order as warrior monks.
Knights for traditional warriors, with specialized fighters based on martial art and weapon of choice.
Hospitallers for healers and menders. Guardians in fields of medicine and healing magic
Conservators as guardians of nature; those who hunt, scout, strategize and are especially trained in using nature, mystically and practically, to uphold the natural order.
Librarians as primary magic casters. Mystical barrier lords, artillerists, strategists and catalogers of history, science, arts, and mystical innovation
Meisters as the magic R&D department, consisting of artificiers, blacksmiths, machinists, etc.
And yes, I came up with this in mere MINUTES.
You're right about the whole Guardian thing never being explained. I think the only time we really get an example is later when Caraway and telling Rosemary about something he and Rose's mother did together and even then it was just a generic monster battle.
So even then it doesn't really tell us much.
I had a pretty similar idea for changing the Guardian system, making so either there are different specializations for Guardians or making them these cultured, learned people in addition to being warriors/mages.
Particularly since the Guardian's Vow at the end of this episode includes always remembering history and always remaining curious and questioning, which implies Guardians serve much greater purposes to society than just swords-for-hire or whatever. It would have been nice for them to build off that, but they never do...
Watching this makes me want to rewatch The Owl House to see the Fantasy School idea actually done properly.
In defense of having the same class on different days, the academy could have a block schedule, which does 90-minute classes every other day. It doesn’t explain all the other mistakes, but we should be fair-handed here.
I love how all the dialogue sounds so profound and intelligent if you’re only half paying attention but the minute you actually decipher what they’re saying it all falls apart 😂
You make it sound like Brian Griffin wrote the script 😅
(Dialogue struggling to give off a profound vibe, only to come off as pathetically pretentious; yes, it fills all the boxes) 😂
I love how the Triad makes the students make their own Guardian bows for no reason whatsoever, since they don't actually reflect upon them beyond "You're all wrong".
Then when they reveal the true guardian code, is just a bunch of scattered ideas that barely relate to each other. And to top it all of, it sounds like a toddlers idea of an epic hero's speech.
Probably the best say to sum up High Guardian Academy, is that its something like Hogwarts meets the Hunter Exam from HunterXHunter, but completely misses the point of either of them. Just does not help that the series just fails to explain or even explore anything about the world. Probably the worst part, is that they leave it open for a Season 2 that will likely never happen.
Friendly advice: If you really want to see a magic school but done better, just watch the Owl House. Even some of the teachers at Hexside have more personality. Even the ones you only really see once.
I love that series why did Disney have to cut it short
@@animezilla4486I think it had something to due with Luz and Amity's relationship.
@@ivorynk752 Nah, for simplification sake, Disney had axed/shorten some shows as a result of covid budget cuts which included the owl house. This was before the show got the spotlight on Disney plus and became really popular. The show was a victim of wrong place wrong time.
@@ivorynk752 At least it had a proper finale, I rather have a show end on a good note rather then drag it out till it eventually jumps the shark and ends in a bad note.
You could give the Blacksmith teacher some OOMPH to his character by having him teach the merits of proper Blacksmithing: "One day, the only thing that can save you, will come from your own two hands...and when destiny calls, you don't want to look foolish with an improperly forged sword now, do you?".
(Same idea as 14:10)
I love how this show seemingly tries to break stereotypes and defy expectations by being original,
But this isn't even the only pseudo-anime made by a western studio starring four young female characters of various skillsets and backgrounds all going to the same school to learn skills needed to become protectors of their world.
This whole show is RWBY, but without the passion, talent, and soul. otherwise known as RWBY past volume 4.
And the obligatory comparison note...
Also, RWBY established right from the get-go why the huntsmen/huntresses exist, and thus what the students are going to Beacon Academy to learn. No such thing in High On Spice.
RWBY was never good
Here's the thing. Extracurricular activities CAN be important, because work-life balance is important. You can't just be learning stressful things every time, all the time. Those good memories and relaxation can indeed help your mental state out in the field.
The problem is that the other classes are so shitty the everything hours feel like wasting even more time.
I mean, why not just call it recess, but have the teachers insist on using the available time to learn useful skills not covered in the curriculum?
Do they even have teachers to help them learn or examinate their random choices?
Must they have these "Everything Hours" during school time? 'cause this just sounds like encouraging students to use their free time wisely by keeping them in school for longer than it's needed.
Drawing is stupid in the context of a warrior academy, but in the context of a Police Academy, learning to draw faces based on vague descriptions can help hunt and locate targets. Also can serve as hobby to unwind... *But does the school need to request this from their students?*
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Trails of Cold steel (part of a long running JRPG series) showed how you can do this well. Basically all the main characters are part of a military academy. It's a prestigious academy, meaning that while. majority will go into armed service, it's a pedigree that can allow you to go to other fields.
So there are classes like Math, Science and Combat Tactics, alongside economics, art and music classes. But students are also encouraged to form their own clubs which they go to every week or so, or work for the student council.
Once a month there's also a free day where students can go to the townclose to the school, take a train to the cities nearby... Or focus on club work.
It's actually even better in Cold Steel 3 because your hub is in a new branch facility of the main campus. The principal is blunt, powerful and has a fearsome reputation, and says without hesitation that it's basically a dumping ground for "problematic" students (whether out of citizenship, unusual background etc.). Since the main campus and the country in general has become increasingly militarized and club activities weren't even part of the budget in the branch campus, the principal used her own money to provide supplies for clubs and forced students into an ultimatum: Either they make or join a club, or be forced to become part of the student council working under her, and she's perfectly aware that she scares everyone.
So now she's forcing the students to become individuals, differentiate themselves from the main campus and become less militarized while forming them holistically as more than future soldiers.
The big thing is, we never find out what a Guardian is. We know they fight stuff, but that’s it. are they soldiers? A police force? The kingdom’s enforcers? Are they just the world’s greatest chefs who like to gather their own exotic ingredients? We don’t know, we never find out
A guardian usually is guardian something, may be something (like the mother emerald Knuckles guarded), or a sacred temple.
The show took enough time to make it about the potion that should be taken "every months".
But that didn't explained the background of Lavender, it didn't explained what a guardian is in this show.
Even the tree-headed dogs from Harry Potter had a role, only music could made him sleeping, thus, granting acess to the trials and the stone.
I'm starting to think we'll make it through this whole series without a clear idea of what a guardian actually is. Or else it's a feel-good job where you decide what it means, but then where does the money come from? (A bad answer is allowed, but you can't have no answer.)
The poison plot could totally work if the teacher isn't a psychopath. Set the stage by explaining that if your heart races, the poison will spread more quickly, so it's important to stay calm under duress to make that antidote you need. Have someone faint before class is over and start a panic, while the teacher encourages everyone to focus on what they're doing. Better still, have this student be Thyme, hinting that the one who shows the least fear is quietly experiencing the most. Then when everyone has created their antidote and is back to fretting over their fallen friend, have the teacher remove their poison with a spell based on the same antidote, and explain that this poison takes 2 hours between fainting and dying (the danger was real, but nobody was actually going to die today). Go on to explain that in the world of magic, students are going to make mistakes which could be deadly, and like any good school, this school will give them the chance to make many mistakes with the least amount of danger possible. Don't get too relaxed over that, because the consequences will be real if no one is there to bail you out. And you're going to need help when things go wrong, so don't embarrass each other too much when someone bungles an assignment--your turn will come.
Why do writers come so close before they fall short?
I really like the idea of the poison teacher using fake poison to scare the students and showing that the world is dangerous, a shame It is not actually written on the show.
Exactly, it would’ve not only tested how they can react in an emergency but to teach them to not be too trusting
I am somehow convinced this show was written by AI. It makes about as much sense..
"Welcome to our wondrous academy, where you'll learn we have no idea what we're talking about, can't schedule people with similar professions & skills worth a damn, and hire awful abusive monsters as our professors!" ...Oh, who am I kidding, that's the most realistic thing out of this entire show! O.o
Jokes aside, I can only imagine the heart attack my mom would have if she had to organize classes that were so badly cobbled together as this. Also, yeah, that whole "free period, go do whatever you want" thing would be fine if it wasn't a REQUIRED expectation of the student body...kinda like how clubs work? You know...learn new OPTIONAL skills to branch out and figure out what interests you? Making it a requirement just adds even MORE unnecessary expectations and compounds what stress the students may already be experiencing: "Do this optional thing that isn't actually an optional thing or you'll fail and never become a Guardian", basically.
I do love the irony of that whole "we're gonna break out of established conventions...by making the dwarf a blacksmith and the elf a ranger. SO non-conventional! Woo!" mind-set, too, btw. I liked your idea better with the blacksmith character (I...already forgot her name, I'm sorry XD): maybe establishing that she may not even really want to be, but familial pressure of upholding tradition forces her to be one, or even having it where she thinks she knows what she's doing but revealing that she's actually an amateur or only knows how to make certain things and has to learn to step outside her comfort zone to be truly versatile as a blacksmith SHOULD be. Or, heck, if we wanna really go outside established conventions, hint early on that she really wants to do something else, like potion-brewing or learn magic, so maybe she decides to start intentionally flunking blacksmithing to get moved to a different class or something, that way we can establish this character has real, human flaws & emotions and, heck, even help to develop the professor as maybe someone who takes notice and wants to genuinely help his students improve and foster positive learning. Surely, as someone who loves to write and develop characters, it can't be THIS fucking difficult to do something so...BASIC!? >.>
Mr Enter has seen Iruma-Kun? Nice! Love that show.
- So much wrong with the Ethics class scene...First off, Rosemary's apathy, which I'll get back to. Second, it seems to try setting up Snapdragon as a rival to Rosemary, like Amaryllis seems to be for Sage...except the most animosity between them is when Rose tried bothering him with a random picture shew drew. Third, the lesson shown suggests that the form of the two creatures alone determines their temperaments - I think a better lesson would have each creature act pretty much the same no matter their form.
- I've considered a better solution to making an antidote to Redbud's poison: get a "refill" of tea from the dispenser that Redbud presented. Usually, the best way to make specific antidotes is with the poison you're trying to treat. Other than that, this is when Sage proves herself better than any students that specialize in New Magic with her Old Magic alone - she's already a prodigy, but still acts like an underdog in the rest of the series.
- Putting aside how vague Sage's antidote-making method is, and how ridiculous it is for Parsley to make a full second dagger with only two hammer strikes...they do at least prove to have a place in this academy. Rosemary, though? She doesn't care to learn anything from Ethics, she bungles everything in Everything Hours, messes up the Tree pose and knocks everyone over, and takes forever to wrangle her dragon whelp after everyone else has finished (including the apparently physically-inferior Snap). What was it Sage's nameless father said again? "High Guardian Academy doesn't just accept anyone, you know." This line suggests that only the best of the best young teens are chosen. So from what we've seen, Rosemary shouldn't have been accepted! {sigh} At the very least, she does make some visible effort...unlike _Thyme._
- Amusingly, despite being two of the main characters, and one of them being the protagonist, Rosemary's and Snapdragon's vows are just glossed over with a single word each. Hell, Sage has a more meaningful vow about everyone realizing their potential - that alone gives her way more protagonist energy than Rose! Ah, whatever. The Triad called all of their vows wrong, so what they believe as individuals apparently means nothing.
That rant I mentioned going on in the previous episode, we getting there.
That being said, Given how badly they fucked it up here, I can tell you the focus of said rant.
The World Building.
It's nearly Cowabunga Time.
Also the Racial Stereotypes, gonna bring that up in said rant.
Can’t wait for the next episode when the characters start using swears
"Fuck!!
*for Mature audience only*
Putting the main group of characters in the same class is also a way to show their individual aptitudes to the subject within the same scene, and show the teacher interacting with one or more of them for further character work. In Harry Potter for potions for example, Slytherins are favoured, Hermione is criticised by Snape for being too clever, Neville is criticised for not being good and Harry is criticised because sins of the father and all that. All with characters in the same class. For Divination Hermione doesn’t see the merit, Harry and Ron treat it as an easy A but other students like Lavender Brown are more engaged.
High Guardian Spice round two let's go!
The different schedules criticism, while it makes sense as a criticism for the plot's structure, I know from personal experience in college that sometimes professors will have to teach multiple sections of the same class if there's too many students who want/need to take the class. Especially with lower division classes that people take earlier on in their major. There might be several majors that have the same required class to take. For example I'm a Computer Science major, but the lower level programming classes overlap with like 4 or 5 other majors (such as Computer Information Systems, Mathematics, Electrical Engineering, and Computer Engineering), meaning there's a lot of students (on different "tracks") who need to take some of the same lower level classes. And while there are some cases where multiple professors are teaching the same class, sometimes a single professor will teach 2 or even 3 sections of the same class to meet student demand. It doesn't really matter if they're giving the same lecture multiple times a day or even on a different day in the same week (like typically at my college you'll have some Monday/Wednesday classes and Tuesday/Thursday Classes, and sometimes you can choose whether or not you want the M/W section or T/Th section of a class to help with avoiding scheduling conflicts).
So yes schedules are this individualized in real life. I can say this from my experience going to college. Not saying the writers handling it this way doesn't hurt the plot (I think thats probably the reason JK Rowling handled Hogwarts Houses the way she did), but a lot of schools (and probably the colleges the writers went to) handle class scheduling similarly to how High Guardian Spice handled it.
Regarding the "Ethics class on different days" (I can't believe I'm defending this show), but that's not uncommon in schools. If the student body is too big to fit in one classroom at the same time, of course you'll need multiple classes to teach the same lesson.
For a show about magic, it sure does suck the magic out of everything.
As big of a mess as the show is I understand that the creator had a passion for their ocs, they're important to them and who wouldn't jump at making a show? But this is a show made by people with no experience
I think this series could work, as a comic. Let's you fkesh out everything without needing animation, voice acting, and all that
It was
the "low budget" excuse doesn't even work when you consider that plenty of anime were not only made on a even lower budget but look far better than this but they are also usually made with less pay going to the animators working on them
Another issue is that it really gives the whole thing "final year" vibes because THAT is when you have all the specialization on your courses.
For a first year, they should all have the basics courses of ethics, basic survival, monsters 101, and whatnot. Yes, seperating them for combat training makes sense with Melees fighting different than mages, fighting different than archers and so on. You can start grouping those together in year 2.
Sure, you can give them some chosen-routes, like potion class, blacksmithing and so on, but that is ONE class.
So to summarize, the group should only be split for 2 out of at least 6 different classes with the 2 warriors sharing an additional one...
I honestly do NOT understand what the point of hardcore splitting the girls up is in the first place. You WANT them to be together and interact! Instead you split them up, have to shove them into classes for which you have to create 4 group of extra characters to fill those classrooms with...
And, no, the poson scene would not work even as a lesson about "you could die".
1. They carry around weapons, they KNOW death is an option.
2. The only lesson here is to NOT TRUST THE TEACHERS! That is, for obvious reasons, very bad for a school. What's next? Teacher given wrong instructions on purpose to have students killed? Yeah, I would start to assume they lie to make me go unalive!
And it becomes more apparent just how dysfunctional the education system is as the series progresses. These kids learned nothing of value and were sent on dangerous missions without the proper training. I know this show is supposed to have an adventurous element to it, but first year students could not be properly prepared for real missions.
@6:00-.-I think the implication is that learning magic makes someone incredibly attractive, and therefore she'll be "breaking a lot of hearts" because she'll have to turn down a lot of suitors. Which has some weird implications, but whatever.
Yeah I was going to say that too. Not the first time a fairly popular phrase has confused Enter.
Surprisingly enough, having a teacher teach different classes at different times isn’t that unusual, at least where I am. I’ve met coaches who were teachers to English and even a computer science teacher who also taught entrepreneurship classes.
I'm a bit confused about the schedule point. Teachers usually teach the same class multiple times a day to different groups, and student's always have their own schedules to follow. Your schedule might intersect with your peers' at certain points, but just because you're in the same field doesn't mean you share the same time slots. Even narratively I like the idea of separate schedules, showing how someone acts outside of their friend group can be great characterization. It's just the poor writing that makes this not work, not the idea itself.
His point about the schedule confused me also.. but that’s common when watching Mr. Enter lol
Okay, hear me out. I think i know what they meant with wood.
They seem to be going with the Wuxing, meaning five elements, which did include Wood in place of Air and also had metal. But they failed to set it up and even then when other shows, like TMNT used it they fused it the more known four elements of water, air, earth, and fire. They tried to be clever but failed since they only half explain what they mean and not going through with it, and this is just a google search of info i have.
As soon as the old woman said no orientation only disorientation I expected Sage to respond with something like this: Sage: Wtf is disorientation?😕 Rosemary*looks around*: Uh where are the second & third year students? I found it strange that you don't see any second or third year students. Then again the entire show feels like a first draft badly written fanfic.
When you said you could speak for hours picking at any single detail, it just reminded me of LobsterHero; who literally clocked twice as many hours in his merciless critique than the show's actual runtime. 😅
5:17 maybe they can’t accommodate all the students they assigned to let’s say ethics class at once, so they go in shifts?
I went to a place that did that.
Yikes, that last line 😂😂
I think that the Mr. Enter avatar has a higher animation budget than this show; certainly a higher range of emotional expression.
15:00 dedication to something builds a better mindset, lot of people don't know how to self govern and work towards something
All the girls having different classes gives more opportunities for pairings. By default, Rosemary will hang out with Sage and Parsley with Time.
But with 4 main characters, there are 6 possible pairings. Often characters will show personality traits they usually don't if they are paired with someone they are usually not.
Of course this would require them actually having personality traits beyond the bare minimum.
Raye said as some points that Rosemary would be "shipped" with Sage, but the characters have no dynmaics between them at all.
Trying to fix this system is a daunting task, and I am about to do an abysmal job at it, but hopefully this will give someone else an interesting idea or two.
Personally, I like the idea of these Guardians learning things like blacksmithing, pottery, or ethics, in addition to magic and combat stuff. It could be used as a way to make them different than adventurers or mercenaries of other settings. My Guardian system and school reform will build off that. (While ripping off Blue Exorcist a little bit)
In this system, Guardians can come in two different broad types.
The first type is Defenders. Defenders have a wide range of abilities, mostly in combat but also some knowledge of history, arts, craftsmanship, politics, magic, all that. They can choose to either be mercenary/adventurer types, doing jobs and helping people throughout the world, or settle in as a Defender of a certain town or kingdom. They learn arts/crafts/ethics/history a bit because they do involve themselves in the culture of the world around them and occasionally function as figureheads of sorts, in addition to monster hunting and bandit fighting and all that.
The second type is Exemplars.
Exemplars choose one area of study/expertise, and focus their life career on that. So you have Blacksmithing Guardians, who focus on everything smithing, from working with all different types of materials to making all kinds of things to learning the smithing methods of different cultures; Magic Exemplars, who learn all they can about magic, from learning spells of all sorts to understanding the nature of magic in the world; Potion/Medicine Exemplars, knowing about all different medicinal and alchemical ingredients, different concoctions, and the effects on bodies; Art Exemplars, seeking to understand art in all its forms across time and cultures, while striving to become great artists themselves; so on and so forth. With this they dedicate themselves to a career involving this specialty and/or become teachers of the next generation.
... There's a few things I would hope this would fix. For one relevant to this review, I hope to fix the schedule confusion: namely, that there would be very different schedules for a Defender and one of the Exemplar paths (and even if they end up sharing some classes, they might still be taught at different levels).
The blacksmith was legit a fitting role, as Rosemary carried a sword around.
If only he wasn't bored.. 😂
"They will teach the same class to different students"
Yes that's... Actually how it works. I work in a school. Half the time they have the same class but different kids for each period.
The only interesting thing is that the head mistresses reference the maiden, the mother and the crone
Something no one else got. I did being an occult fetishist.
The one good thing this show gave us is all the people making fun of how bad it is.
The show is such a farce itself as a whole.
It's more about diversity, and old vs new magic bullshit.
Not mocking it would be harder.
Also the sexism against males characters..
She’s either a succubus or a Tiefling. According to the wiki, she _is_ a demon. Like a flat-out demon.
Teaching an ethics class.
I have no idea what a “demon” is in this context, but I can’t help but feel that this was a conscious decision on the writers. And if that’s the case, the characters should have some kind of preconceived notion regarding demons. They should have a reputation. And you _could_ do something interesting with this, too.
But I have a feeling nothing interesting _is_ going to be done with this, is it High Guardian Spice?
Nope!
And it gets more confusing later on during the Halloween Party episode where we see her dressed as an Angel. Which only adds more questions.
@@michaelamaya9032 It gets even more confusing after those episodes they eventually summon an actual demon for some teleportation magic or somethin, they do that rather then just get a hold of the ethics teacher who can just make portals appear wherever she wants with no know limitations.
7:32 theory: they wanted to show off all their teachers to get the audience “hooked” and interested in seeing the classes, but panned up quickly because they didn’t want to animate more than 2 frames of the centaur teacher because horses are notoriously hard to animate (which probably is also why we only see her one other time while standing completely still 😂)
“Rosemary, do you have any thoughts?”
Um teach, do ya know what character you’re talking to? 🤨
Wait at 12:26 the girl with the fish head turn back normal at 12:37. How did they made that obvious mistake?!
17:53 makes me laugh every time.
Sage art slain
Rosemary earns "life imprisonment."
Lvl up for Parsley
1:47 I mean, if it suits the character then it's fine to sound kinda bored.
When you mention students having their own schedules being a logistical nightmare, does that count for college class schedules?
Just finished this episode in my own watching to see how bad it was for myself.
Enter hit pretty much all major points but one: They're ALREADY painting the 2 of the 4 main heroines as Mary Sues, showing them to be overly capable and competent. Parsely is so good at making daggers that she recieves a standing ovation from the entire class. They just stop what they're doing to applaud. Never mind that you're shaping molten metal and have a time limit. Then she makes a second one, just as good, with like 2 or 3 swings of her hammer. We didn't even see her quench the second one. Her being good at it is fine, and honestly expected if she grew up working in a forge. Just handle the competency montage a little differently.
Sage didn't do a lot on her OWN to show a lot of Mary Sueness, but Rosemary constantly stroking her ego gets annoying.
"You're gonna be a PERFECT Guardian!" "The Triad loves you so much they made dopplegangers of you just to have MORE of you!" I get the whole idea of being supportive of your friends thing, but Rose is laying it on TOO thick. And why was she the ONLY one trying to make the antidote? I give a pass to the kids whose hands got swapped for feet and tentacles, but everyone else was just panicking and crying. At least they HAD the materials needed and 1 hour to concoct the remedy, but nooooo.
As for the rest, Enter was pretty spot on. I will say, for as bloated and long-winded as the Guardian Vows were, the last line does go hard.
"If I break these vows, may my body be cast upon the stones, by sword broken, and my name erased."
Tweak it slightly, and that could be a great line. Kinda reminds me of the Jedi/Sith Codes, or the Lantern Oaths.
9:16 Here's what I would do: In the past of this world (do we get a name?), Dwarves made weapons for a Dark Lord. As a result, everyone hates Dwarves and now live underground to avoid scorn. However, Parsley's family got kick out of the underground kingdom. She starts out working for Satyr aka the goatman (Who in this version, works to make weapons used by the students). After meeting Rose Mary and Sage, who are nice to her, inspire her to attend High Guardian Academy and become a Gurdian.
I freaking adore The Owl House. Please watch it if you haven't yet.
Wind, earth, water and trees may actually be representative of the speices?
Tees for elves, earth for drawves, wind for... humans? Water for everyone else...
They were so close to making it the 5 element system in certain chinese philosophy. It would have been cool to touch on but noooo.
The best thing about garbage writing is studying just how bad it is, all to learn how to avoid doing the same.
So as someone who has never watched the show... are the headmistresses supposed to be three separate characters or is it actually one person's time-displaced projections? Because it looks to me like the latter.
I'm pretty sure that's the case, but it's been a while since I've seen the show. I think they all even have the same VA.
Not sure how this group of 4 failure heroines is groundbreaking or stereotype defining when countless anime have had 3-5 strong female leads.
Even Yamato from One Piece could break them into pieces.. 😂
To give some amount of credit, making the students answer something they don’t know isn’t entirely pointless. I’ve had short quizzes at the beginning of a new class or sometimes a new lesson that are just meant to gauge how much I knew or what i thought something meant. And making it used for something like a stating of personal values in your career is not a terrible idea.
Though having said that, I would think telling kids, especially younger kids, they’ll get it wrong and not making it clear that’s either a joke or part of the idea seems like it’d just make them overthink it and generally cause more stress than intended, not to mention that them being “guardians”, which I assume means protectors or peacekeepers of a sort, means having at least a basic template code of honor or something would be good to have to at least lessen the chance of allowing corruption or creating future supervillains.
“You don’t need rules when your face is a blowtorch.”
I’m... I’m sorry, what? What does that sentence even mean? I’m tempted to ask for context but I’m genuinely not sure that it would make any more sense regardless.
The setting in this show has been done better in other works of fiction. You (yes, YOU, the one who's reading my comment) can probably come up with something better than a thousand High Guardian Spice employees could.
A very non-stoic elf: Link from Breath/Tears. Guy is a total adventure goblin who likes jumping around with bomb shields, using shields to surf, flying around with a paraglider, eating random stuff he finds, mostly after attempting to cook it but not always, freaking out the awkward Gerudo by walking around their town without a shirt, just randomly deciding to go bug catching for several days, etc.
There need to be more fun elves like Link. Zelda herself could definitely take some tips from him.
Link is a Hylian, not an elf.
Hylians are closer to humans with them having pointed ears sometimes.
The Zelda races closer to elves are the Zora and Rito, but then again, even they are non-stoic.
I actually kind of like Amaryllis.
It just seem like the writers just used generic tropes without understanding how they work
If they wanted it to be about fantasy, then, they would make it like Ni no kuni and write the character's developpment.
Like how Oliver was, from a young citizen without knowledge of magic, to learning it and developping courage as the story goes.
In fairness, at my college teachers in many subjects often teach the same class at several different times, as student classes are divided in 3-4 groups in any given year, each of those groups having a different schedule. This is done partially because a teacher can only actively engage with so many students at once, and also due to room space.
3:16 You know, I think this bit would be intersting, if the setting was a college / university. As that way, you can say "each one is trying to focus on their own different career". You can still have them share some "common knowledge" classes.
It even works if you focus on how it is a hardship the main characters need to overcome, if they need to choose between want to make friends or follow their dreams (and that's their main goal)
Like in the previous episode,i am going to say how this episode could have been better:
- Now that we are in the academy,we should state how magic should work,after all, this is one of the biggest plot-holes in the series. I know it may gonna drive connections to Fullmetal Alquimist (which i haven't watched,so i don't know if it is truly gonna be connected to it),but i think the difference between old and new magic is the idea between alchemy and quimics. Old magic is the control of the 4 alchemy elements (Fire,Water,Air and Earth),which is a strong ability,but it is hard to control and not very utilized,as you can only control them into their base version, meanwhile, New magic is the power to variate and control other versions of element and stuff related to it. New magic is weaker,but far way easier to control and more used in Lingard than the old magic,as with new magic,you can control the amount of energy of something (for instance: Fire is the presence of energy,so most of that energy can be transfered to something like a steak,giving it more energy and allowing for those of eat so said steak get more energy to fight. Meanwhile, ice is the abscence of energy,so we can transfer energy from, let's say,a tip of an arrow and transfer that energy to ice. The ice will turn into water due to the energy transfered making the molecubes inside of the ice faster and more agitated, meanwhile,since the molecubes of rhe arrow's tip are slower, it will be cold and,if enough energy is transfered,you can actually make it so cold,that arrow tip could freeze somebody's arm as a whole).
- Since the girls are new,we could see the disorientation part is due to them, maybe they go to wrong classes, Sage trying to do a spell for cure and end up making poison due to being new to new magic,trying to do something because they think they know,but end up actually showing that they don't know it fully well (Example: Rosemary thinking she knows combat,but in reality,she thinks combat is just beat up stuff by swinging a sword,but combat is more about the usage of a weapon,how should you manuver your weapon, etc)
- With the characters,i think it could show in this way:
• Rosemary: We could see that she wants to be like her mother - a protector of people who would sacrifice herself for anyone,just to let anyone have one small chance to see another day. In this way, we see her determination, however,we can see how stunborn she is,as she only uses her mother's sword,even tho it isn't good for her. This sword is a defensive weapon, used by strong users because it is a heavy sword, it would be a weapon of to avoid damage and not to deal much and it is used for left-handed people, meanwhile,Rosemary is a stunborn girl who is focuosed on attacking,trying to kill someone in a fast fight, even if she isn't that strong and she is right-handed, meaning this sword is not supposed to be used for her (in my version, Rose will change weapons in the show due to something. She will start with her mother's sword,which once broken in battle [no,it is not unbreakable] will be changed by a bronze dagger [a weapon who is small and doesn't deal alot of damage,but it is a light and faster use weapon],then she gets an offensive sword [a normal sword,not that light and fast,but it deals alot of damage,being an opposite weapon to the dagger,showing to Rose she has to learn to how to be more flexible with weaponry - she can't use her mother's sword everytime and altought the dagger is a good pick, not every battle will be good for the small and wimpy dagger,as the offensive sword can be used for battles that will last longer against a more stronger enemy while the dagger is a weapon to suprise enemies or to use it in fast battles where there's not alot of time to think] and at last,she gains a sword that is her representation of who she is with growth of herself after overcoming her hardships)
They wasted alot of the budget on that stupid trip to the place the girls needed to go in E1, all the unnecessary things for transportation, all of that could've been replaced with something important and necessary.
That would be funnnier if one of them asked after the trip,
"Why didn't we used a broom before?"
If you want a more unique take on the magical school, check out the anime, Mashle. It's basically about a skilled Jackie Chan-ish kung-fu Fighter who does not have magical powers, going to a magical school and proceeding to utterly outperform all the spellcasters who do have powers, solely by his pure skill and bare fists. It's really awesome and funny, and a very unique take on it.
7 spell blades us better.
Is the Ethics teacher a succubus? I thought she was a Teifling or something because of the DnD influences
I'm not sure the creators even played those games. They're ignorant enough to not know a succubus is a sex demon.
Her name is "Wyverna Dretch" which is a reference to two different creatures entirely (one from DnD) that don't fit any of her characteristics. I think she was just made to be the "hot demon lady" in the show.
Yes she was.
Makes Sailor and the 7 Balls look like Sailor Moon Crystal.