Solomonster On Why WWE Raw Going TV-14 Again Means Nothing
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- Опубликовано: 16 июл 2022
- Solomonster reacts to the news that the PG Era may be over in WWE and USA Network may be taking Monday Night Raw back to a TV-14 rating. He discusses the latest on where things stand and why people are going to be disappointed if they think this is going to have anything to do with improving the overall quality of the show.
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As long as the booking is random, 50/50, and Vince heads Creative, it won’t matter at all.
I agree I mean let's be honest we going to see Bianca Bel-Air versus Carmella for the Raw women's championship again tomorrow that just shows that nothing has to change at all
You forgot the endless Flow of Rematches …
To be honest the ruthless aggression era is where the 50/50 booking began in the mid card then it carried over into the pg era.
Case in point. TNA
Yes it will.
The problem isn't the tv ratings. The problem is the writing. I've said this for a while. At this point we have no idea what ideas are Vinces, and what ideas are the writers, and that's a bad thing. Vince needs to be taken off creative for a couple months so we can determine whether or not its the writers fault the product sucks, or his. We know that he has been rewriting the show as its going on, so until that stops, its going to be the same, regardless of tv rating.
he needs to be taken off creative for good, because nothing's gonna change as long as he's around.
Bingo
The NEW Raid. That was what the change to the TV-14 raiding change meant.
I mean let's be honest it's been going on for years and it's already been confirmed by so many wrestlers who left the company that Vince McMahon has been rewrite in the shows while their earring and it shows that nothing would never change as long as he still wanting to show it shows that he's so out of touch with the audience the weekly shows will tell you that I'm just tired of seeing the same matches with the same people every single week nothing will ever change as long as Vince McMahon and Bruce prichard are still in charge that TV 14 ain't got me nothing you go get the same crap over and over and over again
A few more Paralegals need to come forward for Vince McMahon to get removed from his Position in the WWE ….
When I first saw the news for that drop, I immediately went “that’s great, now move Raw back to 2 hours because the rating isn’t gonna be enough to fix the show”.
A 2 hour show isn't gonna fix things either, Smackdown is proof of that
@@MazeDaGr8 Maybe not, but at least Smackdown is watchable sometimes. It doesn’t feel much of a chore to sit through.
ABSOLUTELY NOT EVEN THOUGH I LIKED THE 2 HOUR RAW DURING THE JR AND KING ERA BUT HATED I HAD TO WAIT UNTIL 9PM ON SPIKE TV TO WATCH!! I LOVE THE 3 HOUR FORMAT BUT DON'T LIKE THE 11PM HARD STOP!! BRING BACK TV 14 AND THE 5 MINUTE OR MORE OVER-RUN!! LIKE THE NIGHT THE ROCK CAME OUT IN 2014 (I THINK) AND RAW WENT OFF AT 11:25PM!!
Move to 2 hours and end the brand split. Shit can the dumb ass gimmick wrestlers and focus on storylines that are more serious and mean something as far as their titles are concerned which should lead to better matches that people actually care about. Right now it’s wwe with bad creative and AEW with good wrestling and guess what nobody besides the hardcore fans give a shit. Now combine good stories with good wrestling and characters/wrestlers people can get invested in and bam you have a better show.
The Simple fact any of you actually watch this dross is deeply worrying
When I heard the news at 1st I didn't believe it at first. That being said I really don't understand why everyone is so excited. The creative is still gonna suck
Nothings changing until Vince McMahon is 100% GONE!!! Even then, I think the product peaked YEARS ago, because we’ve seen everything outrageous that we’re ever gonna see and it’ll NEVER be able to top attitude era, ever, period.
So stop watching, easy enough.
@@bluesclues6586 💯
It will never change unless Vince steps out of creative
I dont even know if it would get better then because we still got Bruce Pritchard and Nick Khan there
Indeed.
Can't wait to see the fallout from people once they realize a TV-14 rating isn't gonna magically bring the glory days of the Attitude Era back. It never fails how they always set themselves up for disappointment.
Thank you! When I heard about this, I said to myself "new television rating, same ol' shitty booking."
Solomonster: Imagine being trapped in a Vince McMahon dream.
Me: For anyone who has ever watched Black Mirror, remember the Star Trek episode?
Damn I remember that! The WWE is a simulation that is falling apart before our very eyes.
The moment WWE signed Logan Paul was the day I have officially given up on WWE.
I gave up when I saw 3MB 10 years ago
Jake Paul supposedly wants a contract as well....So you know where this is going 😂.
@@jamesrosano9439 😂😂
I gave up when they had celebrity guest hosts in 09.
Logan Paul is a great wrestling heel.
Blood and Swearimg doesn't fix bad television.
I keep telling people
Don't come crying to me when nothing changes
My attitude towards WWE at this point is that nothing is truly gonna change unless we see it for ourselves meaning It's gonna take a lot more than a TV rating & an hour shortening for things to fully change.
Even if Vince steps down, it's still gonna take a lot more than that for things to Change
Vince McMahon stepping down is one thing but they got a s*** turned to do to clean up the mess he and Bruce prichard made
Vince McMahon is like Ric Flair in that he will Never Retire!!… 👀
Wrestling is done for! Over. Will never have even 4 million tune in in one go. The whole idea of wrestling in this was slowly choked since they opened up on it all being fixed.
I give up on wwe long ago before this news
A TV-14 rating won’t magically fix bad booking and even worse creative.
Or make some wrestlers better on the mic
I listened to this podcast on Spotify or wherever you listen to your podcasts but I come here to leave my like, comment, and view.
From what I heard WWE balked at the idea anyway, besides, I agree that it means nothing as long as the WWE creative ideas continue to not make any sense in storylines. As long as Vince McMahon is still alive it doesn't matter.
When I was a kid PG meant nudity, violence, and swearing. Look at PG movies from the early 80's. There was G, PG, and R which was 18+ and even then I never had an issue renting R rated films as a preteen/teen. It was only X rated movies they cared if you were 18. Seriously people went stupid with ratings for movies, TV, video games and it lead to people getting more and more offended until we got this stupid cancel culture. Glad South Park is immune to it but even comedians aren't allowed to joke anymore without getting attacked. * And music ratings too, when I was like 11-13 we were listening to 2 Live Crew. If you are a youngster and don't know them you should check a few tunes out. For the time they were considered explicit but now they're probably not so much.
Everything you said was 💯
Solomonster mentioned WWE is doing this due to competition. I believe and agree with that. I think they're also doing this because they raised a generation of children/kids who are now teens and young adults. They did this with us in the 90s and early 00s where we had the first PG Era (known as the "Golden Era" and "The New Generation" eras) and then after we grew up from our childhood, they gave us the Attitude Era.
And as AVGN fans would know, Mattel also made Intelvision, and most memorable Intelvision Voice Sympathizer, "Mattel Electronics presents, B-17 Bomber." 😉😂🤣
It means nothing because they're 10 years too late
A perfect example of a mature rating not always being the solution is Ren and Stimpy. Going from a Nickelodeon show to a Spike TV didn’t work out. Or even Family Guy(still a TV-14 show to this day) but it has less restrictions but it hasn’t made the show better
Ren and stimpy mature was so awful
Having watched WWF in the eighties, I also thought it was silly that we have this PG Era despite the fact the company was PG for many years in the past and the shows were great at the time. The issue is not the PG rating, but that the quality overall is no longer there. There is no one in the roster who is not Roman I can get behind, and the booking is garbage. Till I see a real fix that makes watching WWE great again, I have other things to do.
@@MotoGearSolid I feel you. Worse still, Lesnar feels like a chump against Roman, and that shouldn't ever happen.
I suppose it could be a small step in the right direction but as long as Vince, Nick, Bruce, John and Kevin remain, creative will be shit and therefore WWE will still largely be unwatchable to me Imho.
Yeah when I heard the news it didn’t excite me to start watching WWE again at all. People act like the company was that way the entire time. If we had ratings in the 80s and the first half of the 90s it would still be PG television but it was great television. People using more swearwords and girls walking out in bikinis and people flipping the bird isn’t really what made the attitude era great. It helped decorated some but the attitude era for the most part was made up of people that knew the pro wrestling business. They had been in a while a lot of them had worked smaller territories and really new wrestling psychology they knew what worked and what didn’t work and the ones that didn’t got to work with those guys so the knowledge was still passed on. It’s still going to be scripted and you’re not going to have any big breakout stores like Austin or The Rock , It’s going to be the same crappy television with more curse words and women walking out and thongs and that’s really going to be the difference.
I always thought the Jericho / Michaels 2008 bloody last man standing was the final straw for Vince. Or maybe it was the last match of that nature before the switch
Raw going back to TV-14 is a good start and I agree with Solomonster, it won't change anything about the show, the only time that I think we could see changes is if Vince completely steps down from creative and the show goes back to 2 hours but I'm not going to be holding my breath. Let's see what happens
Hoping we get two hours a week, although that's less likely. Still interested in seeing if anything changes whenever (if ever) the WWE turns TV-14
I was watching Nascar race last night and WWE is going to be on USA tonight
NGL the Jack's pacific toys were the best,the toy belts, and the games too. I miss being a kid.
This aged like a glass of old milk.
I looked ahead for tomorrow night's episode of 'WWE RAW' & it still says TV-PG for the show's information.
If you have Comcast, for example like I do, you can look ahead to where it displays closed captioning, the rating of whatever show you want to watch & if the channel you want to watch it on is in high-definition, or, not & you can still see under 'WWE SmackDown!' & 'WWE RAW', you can still see where it says TV-PG for the rating...
As I Said before WWE going TV-14 is nothing more than the AEW Effect we're getting the same ol shit and nothings going to change this is going to fall flat on it's ass and I'll be here laughing at this when it bombs.
AEW effect 10000%
@@thepolarphantasm2319 and lol someone who shall rename nameless said that this has nothing to do with AEW they're lying
The 80s golden era (my favorite era) was different. The wrestlers were super jacked up to a point where they looked like comic book characters and super heroes. It was very believable. The heels were super large fat and unstoppable it was up to hogan, warrior & macho man to save tge day. Look at the top heels. Andre, bundy, stud, bigelow, earthquake, typhoon, yoko. I miss those days. Tge best days. The way hogan vs warrior was built. Yeah rock vs austin was also up there as well i loved wm x-7 but sm 6 was to me the best. Seeing andre turn babyface even i cheered so hard as a kid.
02:37; Rex: I'm from Mattel...'
It's a tiny step in the right direction but many other things need to change for a big impact.
I only have the mindset of "only watching the matches". There were a lot of matches in the PG era that were so good. Like I mean top tier 5 star matches. So them changing to TV14 is good, but good in a sense it changes the dynamics of storylines. I mean I'm pumped for what matches are gonna happen, but I reckon the change is through the promos and storylines. And yes, with this change, comes blood.
Funny how the only reason the Attitude Era came to be was because WCW/Turner wasn’t allowed to do all that stuff. How the tables have turned.
Bro raw 1000 was just a different show. Best of all time
At this point I could care less if it's pg or not it's the creative part that needs to be changed and the person in charge of it.
100% spot on
Right On Solomonster 💯👍🏾
I just wonder why Vince was dreaming about Heidenreich graping Cole.
WWE were going to have clean up their product regardless of the Benoit tragedy, Mattel deal, or the Jericho vs Shawn match that was too bloody. WWE couldn’t do ridiculous storylines anymore cause they would get you canceled in todays world. Regardless of rating, if the talent can’t get over with how they’re booked then the show won’t be any better than what it is now.
Amazing
Is Smackdown going to be TV 14 too?
I think what Solomonster is missing is that fans want a more mature setting regardless of language, blood, violence exc... and that goes beyond the TV-14 stuff true, but changing the rating to cather to a more adult audience is a welcome sign. I think the decline for WWE happened when Lesnar left the 1st time and they turned to John Cena to be the next big thing and they turned him into a comic book superhero, something that has alienated a massive chunk of the audience. That happened before the PG Era but that was also a clear sign of the changing of the guard in regard of which kind of audience WWE was trying to capture because while the adults were booing Cena off buildings, the kids loved him and that's probably the demo that is still watching WWE today. So many people identified the PG rating as the reason why WWE became a watered down product and now they hope for a change but I agree that creative minds are the only solution to make Wrestling great again
I don't think Cena was the cause of it. I think it was the fact that fans weren't ready to let Austin go
The decline happened when WCW fans didn't watch WWE.
I have been in the mindset for years that TV-14 is not the end all, be all solution for WWE programming.
Outside of the usual complaints about the current product (writing, booking, 3-hours too long) I pose a question:
What exactly is the theme for Monday Night RAW and Friday Night Smackdown!?
This so-called "New Era" that supposedly started in 2016, is quite indistinct compared to other so-called "periods" of this company's history.
Today's WWE has BTS/Reality Shows/Social Media as it did in the so-called "Reality Era" (2014-2016)
The heavily-scripted promo(s) and watered down violence of the "PG Era" (2008-2014) continue to be presented in today's product (despite the impending TV-14 rating).
When WWE occasionally tries (and that is few and far between), the wrestling is up to or near the quality to what we saw during "The Ruthless Aggression Era" (2002-2008).
Of course, today's WWE can never truly return to "The Attitude Era" (Late 1996- Early 2001) due to changing social norms (PC) and censorship(s) (and yes, as much as I was/am a fan that grew up during this time period, several storylines in hindsight were of bad taste and should be left in the past).
Also, today's WWE is deficient of a top-tier, larger-than-life, star-studded roster that christened "The Golden Age" (1984-1993).
In a roundabout way, this era is undefinable, dare I say rudderless.
To me, this period has been a more lackluster version of the lackluster "New Generation Era" (Early 1993- Early 1996) with rehashes of all other eras mixed in (excluding, of course, much of "The Attitude Era").
There needs to be a driving theme to these shows so that everything will feel important again.
I want another Year 1997 where everyone is pissed off at each other and will compete, scratch, claw, and/or do anything to claim THE TITLE (Just the main title with the IC Title as secondary; Same for the Women's Division; Tag Titles the last tier). That year made some compelling television and it gestated for the ensuing years a bold and fresh direction. I want to see it happen again.
Of course, Vince and his band of writers and execs , (yes-men) will still be there, meaning nothing will change in the foreseeable future (unless scandal that may possibly oust Vince and said writers and execs notwithstanding).
It's true WWE had a steady decline from 2002-2008. But it's also true that when WWE went PG it went from a steady decline to falling off a cliff
The decline should have been noticable when the remaining WCW fans disappeared and didn't come to WWF in 2001.
I just want to add something that Solomonster somewhat iterated, but never mentioned directly. WWE is in a state where there are habits that they continue to do regardless of what the rating is. They could make an announcement tomorrow that they're going TV-MA, but guess what? We're still going to have countless rematches and a depleted tag team division that should've been solved beforehand. We're still going to have the shaky cam and 34839 camera cuts. The tired "superstar interrupts other superstar during a promo, so let's make a match out of it" schtick that's been used since 1999. All of this is staying, and will continue to stay so long as Vince and his vision are still around.
Oh...and a side note: Anyone remember the Smackdown episode from 8-14-2020? Wouldn't be surprised if people said no, but it was actually one of the few Smackdowns that was rated TV-14 during the live broadcast. It's pretty indicative of what WWE's iteration of TV-14 can be once they make the change. August 2020 isn't too far off the radar to how they're doing things now, minus the Covid crowd, yet equally as forgettable.
Actually, I counted 36,755 camera cuts.
They even have clips of jade saying cut the shit on their Instagram aew.
That said, I DID enjoy the way the chicks were booked 20 years ago, or at least some of them. I mean during 2002-2005, Trish Stratus, Lita, Victoria, Molly Holly et al were part of dozens of bikini contests during the shows but was able to turn right around and have very compelling matches and segments, often during the very same show.
So WWE should bring back the T&A segments for the chicks just to give them some range. Nothing wrong with flaunting sex appeal as long as those who are flaunting sex appeal are also taken seriously.
good video
Let me get this straight: WWE is changing its viewership rating after 15+ years of being a PG era. When in actuality, the viewership wasn't the problem, it's the product - itself!
I think of random ladder matches and steel cage matches
I think it'll be a slow burner to be honest. But hopefully after a while more mature storylines and a bit of blood on PPV would be nice to see again. I don't think anything will improve over night
It doesnt mean anything because....
*1.* It still the same booking as it once was once before turn tv 14.
*2.* Triple H prove that they didnt need to go hardcore of edgey just good wrestling, good characters and good storylines is all you need in a good wrestling show...Triple H NXT was the closest we got to the modern day Attitude Era.
*3.* You really think Vince would give up the family deal just for a cheap pop in ratings remember...he trolled everyone thinking he was stepping down...🎣.
Triple H NXT was crap that's why AEW end them and made them tuck their tail.
@@lexkanyima2195 AEW made NXT 2.0 happen
Of course it doesn't mean anything if the writing and creative isn't showing on screen.
The whole Mattel deal is covered on a Netflix docuseries
100% correct.
Without better storyline, Without better booking, Without creating new super stars wrestlers in the making at same time not too often reliving on old school or super old wrestling stars it doesn't matter much they change the TV rating. *(My honest thoughts.)*
All WWE fans that have heard this news need to listen to this
People are expecting Val Venis and Godfather... They'll get Pirate Paul Burchill
I chuckled hearing Solomonster talk about that 2002 to 2004 booking they went through. I realize that TV PG or 14 really won't make much of a difference especially if people just aren't given reasons to care. If Vince actually treated the talent with any amount of respect then it wouldn't matter what the rating would be.
I don’t even gotta watch this full video to know the reason lol.
It will never change as long as vinny mac in charge
Exactly it means nothing. They just had to put that rating
My compliments to Solomonster for a good critique on the claim that WWE making their content more racy will somehow miraculously save their programming. People keep forgetting that WWE has been PG for most of its near 60-year existence, going back to when Bruno Sammartino reportedly refused to drink alcohol in restaurants if there were kids around. Furthermore, ratings plummeted during the "Ruthless Aggression" era, which had plenty of blood, profanity, and erotic content. Ultimately, what matters is quality of matches and quality of storylines. And those two are not going to be suddenly improved because more people are cussing or more blood gets spilled.
If WWE used blood the right way in big matches or angles it would mean something. AEW at this point is every Ric Flair match ever u know they are going to bleed for next to nothing.
It doesn't matter WWE going TV-14. The quality and the presentation of the show will still be awful when they had 2 old farts: Vince McMahon and Bruce Prichard are still in charge of creative. It's never going to change.
It's not gonna matter
WWE has NO angle or wrestlers that I would pay to see, if this company had to completely rely on drawing houses alone without there massive TV and streaming deals, they would go out of business
WWE could be TV-G for all I care. Even if it becomes like 1990s ECW and becomes TV-MA, it won't matter. The product will still be Milk Toast Stale.
Wrestling shows need three things in order to truly entertain their audience: Larger than Life (OR relatable) characters, captivating storytelling that gets fans emotionally invested, and unpredictability (OR "feel good" predictability, like Danielson winning the unified title at Mania 30 and Kofi winning the title at Mania 35).
Over the last decade or so, WWE has only shown very small doses of just ONE of these three. One of the reasons why fans enjoy the Monday Night Wars so much was NOT because of how violent it was. It was because WWE, WCW, AND ECW provided all three of those above traits in spades.
The sad truth is that WWE doesn't NEED to provide ANY of these above traits since they have PROVED that they don't need to make their audience happy. They don't NEED to put asses in seats. Wasn't like that 20-25 years ago.
Another example of a TV rating not really meaning much to the quality of a wrestling program, is the existence of WCW Monday Nitro from 1995-2001. During the entirety of the NWO storyline and their subsequent peak, the show was PG. The PG rating played no factor in the compelling television fans saw on that show every single week. Then came late 1999/all of 2000 in the Russo era where Nitro was TV-14 and the show was an absolute trainwreck.
So the rating doesn't play a factor in how good a show is. It all comes down to creative. And it always will
Well said Fella and Train wreck is putting that version of WCW Mildly ….
If anyone thinks TV-14 will improve the product just remember 2010 TNA was also TV-14
Vince Russo WCW era was also TV-14 to.
@@andrebryant5081 wcw 2000 >> WWE in 2022 2023
TNA 2010 >> WWE NOW
This is gonna be like polishing up a turd. I really really hope im wrong.
Ratings PG and TV-14 means nothing...it never meant anything (at least not to me). It was always the quality of the shows. And the WWE product has been atrocious for years.
All of this is just to match up to AEW which is a reek of desperation is just real sad for WWE
I believe it will mean something, and I believe Vince will let anything happen from then. Just my opinion
This will allow them to say swear words more often and that's about it.
I'm also not getting my hopes up and immediately jumping to the conclusion, that the WWE is going to be the way it used to be just because of the TV-14 rating. Nothing is going to change, you're still not gonna see wrestlers bleeding, no bra and panties and bathing suit matches, or the dangerous TLC and harcore matches from The Attitude Era. That ain't gonna happen.
@Tom Edwards Yeah, today's generation has access to streaming services with an internet connection to watch ANYTHING they want whenever they want, without having to wait for a show to go off to watch the one they actually want to watch, and there's ZERO commercials too. We had to do it the old fashioned way, there was no RUclips, Facebook or Twitter or any of that shit back in our day.
So are the few remaining wrestling fans all excited or have they cottononed on that nothing will change?!
Might as well Disney is more hardcore than WWE.
Going back to being PG was what killed wwe ratings.
WWE were going to go PG long before the Benoit incident, Mattel deal, Linda McMahon campaign etc. Once they became a publicly traded company in the early 2000’s they were going to that route slowly but surely. If AEW were to get as big or even half as big as WWE and becomes a PTC then they will eventually go PG, something to think about.
I'm surprised they haven't been force to go PG since his father owns a football team where they sell the video game as E for everyone even though it's a extremely violent sportm
Even though the WWE still has other things to fix, TV-14 coming back is still beneficial, which means the wrestlers can now be themselves, they can say what they want do what they want and behave how they want and not get punished for it anymore, it also means we can have lots of blood in matches now, we can also have hard-core matches again like in the attitude era and ruthless aggression era, and we can finally have hot sexy diva action, it will also give the creative team the freedom once again to actually be creative and make the storylines edgy like they used to be during attitude and ruthless aggression.
Vince is still there. That's the only thing that matters unfortunately.
LOL, does that mean more toilet humour and puking scenes like McMahon loves? As long as Vince decides the storylines, NOTHING is going to change because he is fucking lame as a writer
Also random sexual references with male-female, female-female, and what Vince really loves male-male.
10 Times outta 10 I would definitely choose raw from Russo's era over raw from PG / today's era
Even his writing is crap just look at WCW and TNA
@@andrebryant5081 true but at times IT WAS entertaining, in watching a carcrash happen kind of way,,,but it def beats today's wwe!
@@omegamark9178 carcash TV doesn't create revenue unless you're Family Guy
@@andrebryant5081 but sex sells is an eternal,tried and true formula. Lol
@@omegamark9178 Yea NXT 2.0 promotes Many Rose and their ratings haven't rise at all
The problem is the characters aren’t relatable and the matches, catchphrases, and mannerisms of the wrestlers along with the commentary are the same every week. WWE is too repetitive for its own good.
I really hope they don't ever bring blood back. I don't want to see blading any more than I want to see chairs to the head.
I think it means there will be some more adult storylines, maybe some more interactions between male and female stars, a little more swearing, and some lingering camera shots on the women. That'll be about it.
That's very interesting. See WWE went PG when I was around 12. And the reason I always heard was Linda had political aspirations. I took that at face value as the reason, and I never heard about the Mattel deal as the reasoning.
Ah yes…the classic Heidenrich implied butt love segment from 2005. Good times.
Just wish WWE and Jakks Pacific would have worked out something and avoided the PG era! Here’s hoping that Mattel dumps them for some reason and they could possibly reunite with Jakks Pacific!
Idk dude a lot getting ready to change the way it looks. To be fair this what alot wanted. Now it seem the ones seen it as a war narrative is falling apart.
It’s all lip service and fake change honestly. Yeah some thing would be slightly different but more or less NOTHING will change with Vince, Bruce Prichard, Kevin Dunn in charge of things. The show’s staff and writers need to be seriously overhauled and that’s when real change will happen. Cutting the show to 2 hours would be a God send seriously there is too much programming.
* does Vince nervous gulp *
Going to pg 14 don’t mean shit, same writers, same people in charge, ain’t gonna change
People make WAY to much of the PG/TV-14 thing IMHO. Even at the height of the Attitude Era it was only Raw and the PPV's that were TV-14 and most of WWE's programming was always TV-PG, and even with the higher rating it was always a minority of content that pushed things to that level. WWE's never going to be "edgy" again, they barely got away with some of that stuff back then and lost sponsors, partners etc. That tasteless stuff would never fly in today's world. People need to let that one go.
RAW 1000 was so good!
At least we're gonna see the wild Orton back
Bald orton