I don’t even know if that’s true, most insane players never had a shot since all the orgs pulled out and NA was stuck playing tier 3, betting on their own games just to pay for the power bill. We know how insane yay is, his only chance was on a complexity roster a few weeks before pulling out of the scene
@@dipn6243 yay got his ass routinely dragged along the floor multiple times when he played international LANs for complexity and other teams, he was not good enough, same for shahzam and food who were his teammates at the time. Orgs pulled out of NA cuz they would demand high salaries and not win anything or even go deep in international LANs. Sad truth but thats the reality. Yeah so they left cs for a reason, which is no one would sign them if they wanted to turn a profit.
nah they left cus csgo was dying more money gain from valorant valorant's more fun (tenz and others actual top reason) and yea csgo just looks outdated csgo new update will make the game undead for a while tho
For all the valulrant kids saying CS2 is the same game as CSGO, nobody asked for a new game. What people wanted was an engine update so that the game can catch up with modern technicalities. Yet Valve overdelivered with completely overhauled maps, totally new gun renders and new mechanics.
@@redk1tten No, it is. Most of us skipped Condition Zero and Source because Valve made unnecessary changes to the game, and it took a while for people to warm up to CSGO. CS players don't want new games, we want better versions of the same game.
The issue is that there's no new content that people always expect when a new title is released. Yeah CS:GO is fundamentally balanced since they had almost 2 decades to polish, but from what we see so far there hasn't been any new maps, just full overhaul to the game that everyone was already asking for. But yeah I agree people shouldn't be complaining when Valve done the same thing with CS:S to CS:GO.
@@notyova the cs2 trailer literally featured overhauled maps like italy, and we recently got anubis and ancient, people started playing cs with community run servers we can make our own content if we need to
what's even funnier right now is that cs players who shit talked every pro who switched to Val calling them washed or irrelevant are now crawling back to those now Val pros and asking them to come back to CS lmao
Also CSGO player numbers wouldn't be as high, Valorant at the moment is better for introducing people to the FPS genre, then lots of those people have since discovered CS. It's a win win for everyone
@@Andious I am not sure how I feel about that, I feel COD in the introduciton, as a CS player I struggle to keep up with all the abilities of valorant seems too complex for my stupid brain haha
Valorant is definitely much easier mechanically but the teamwork required is way higher imo. When you peek an angle there must be a tradeoff, a risk must be taken. That simply does not exist in valorant. If I'm a chamber peeking an angle, there is no reason why when I get flashed I'm allowed to shoot then tp out for free.
When you compare csgo and cs2 gameplay, all the mechanics on how to play the game is still the same. i would say its like an updated version or modded version of csgo. Not a new game
But being stale is not necessarily bad, CS has been mostly unchanged for 23 years and its still really good (Valo copied a decent amount of the game for a reason after all). I mean, nobody is saying chess is shit even though it's a 1000 year old game mostly unchanged.
The NA CS scene is way too fucked beyond recovery which is the main reason why most NApros moved to Val so I would have to agree with it being unlikely that pros will move back to CS
Yea wasn't the issue that CS in NA was basically dead especially tier 2. I doubt after having to deal with that the pros that are making good money in val are gonna switch back when the underlying issue with CS Na scene isn't any better.
yeah cant blame them for switching. people who talked mad shit for them switching would probably do the same if they were in that situation. they probably didn't have many opportunities. at the end of the day you gotta pay your bills.
@@srai5333CS diehards can't realize that tho, they sold their brains to be game elitists 😂 Dota2 was supposed to kill League because of how hard and competitive it is to play, now it's become stagnant
@@NoVisionGuy its always those type of people who has extreme bias who makes everything so toxic. people need to learn to have a but of an open mind about things. I am a Csgo fan but i have also played Valorant and i like both games for different reasons. no need for unnecessary hate.
cs2 looks good but if anyone thinks its gonna be a big hit to val u are crazy, the changes arent big enough, if someone was choosing val over cs before they will still choose val over cs2
The thing is, most of valorant's concurrent players right now would still play valorant even after cs 2 drops because they would prefer valorant's gameplay or overall art style. When valorant first launched, every cs player did try it out but not all of them switched game due to personal preference. Cannot speak for valorant pros though
Considering you even need lineup just to smoke properly in cs and it requires more technique to use flash, i would say valo player would still stay on valorant.
I mean the only agents that require lineups are really only the initiators, brim and viper, and KJ, so not really needed, plus i feel like its easier to land flashes and nades in valo then csgo
Most csgo casuals that switched to valo, did so because of shitty MM and 64 tick cringefest. I'm sure CS2 will still have cheater issue but meh, sub tick system makes up for most of the casuals's struggles. Plus the volumetric smokes are huge, now there's a counter for molly and counter to a smoke too. HE finally will be useful and all the heavy CT sided maps won't really be heavily CT sided anymore.
Truth is, this is what call of duty should have done. You have a winning formula for 10 years and are going strong, don't change the game, but don't let it feel outdated.
In my opinion CS2 is a very faithful remake of CSGO with it's own new changes to certain game mechanics like volumetric smokes, which does make it a new game. Tarik saying that they just added some new "Instagram filters" and made "skins shinier" sounds like he doesn't know shit about video game development. As for changes, I wonder what kind of changes was Tarik and Shroud really expecting to deem CS2 an entire new game. Where they expecting sprint and agent abilities in CS2??
I pointed this out just to find someone who worded it immensely better :) No idea why anybody listens to Tarik as if his position of authority from being a pro player weighs into the discussion of game design. Yeah he was a major winner but that doesn't mean his statement is any less idiotic.
It might bring more newcomer players but pros really aren't gonna switch especially if they were former cs pros. Like tarik said they left for a reason whether if it was because they didn't like the game or if it was cuz they never found success.
@@Aefax Yes, underdog teams can win championships. It happens in every esport and regular sports. That cloud9 team was ranked number five going into the major but they had many flaws. Ska was an awper who was ready to leave the team and was talking about potential retirement even before the tournament began. Tarik and stew were already in talks with fallen. A potential swap also was possible with elige and nitro. The team won and it was a fluke. It dosent take away from the prestige of winning a major tho.
@@Aefax I'm not sure which sports you watch but just take a look at the NY Giants with Eli Manning, fc Porto winning champions league when under Jose Mourinho, USA beating the Russians in ice hockey, and the Dallas Mavericks vs the Miami heat finals in 2010. These are all flukes since they were the worse team in multiple matches yet through sheer innocence they pull through
visibility has always been an issue in csgo, glad to see cs2 take many steps to eliminate it. Most normal people like me and jeff houngoungagne, warowl - basically honest players have always been against shit like 1way smokes, heavy dark smoke rising from molotovs and dust being kicked up from grenades. We don't cry about it all the time but we definitely appreciate it's being cleaned up now.
@@aceofhades9110 yup, getting randomly killed through the smoke that molly makes is just trash.. also smokes work trash atm. One person always has an advantage, and it's random.
Its a major update tho, they ported the game to a whole new updated engine that all of the valve devs can work with.l The reason CS:GO got no updates was because it was running off the source 1 engine which only a small portion of the staff could code with, now more people can work on the game. Its a nothing update now but a major update for the long term of the game.
No way a big streamer finally called out the BS that is "Counter Striker 2". Its literally the same game with a new update.... Its a shame what they are getting away with. Just look at what fortnite did they updated the engine and didnt label it "Fortnite 2" just for a cash grab and clicks. They actually care about their product and how people view and talk about it. CS can care less what the community has to say as long as people are playing and spending money just look at CSGO... this is why i fw tarik he speaks the truth
You can't call CS2 BS when a game like Overwatch 2 exists...i mean it's literally the same game, same engine and everything. Meanwhile CS2 actually has a newer engine, newer gameplay elements and newer cosmetics. And they are not keeping this game along with CSGO, the CSGO will get an update in Summer and it'll become CS2. And the title CSGO will just retire.
Man literally went and said "Same game with a new update" Yes genius, that's what the community has been asking for, because gameplay of CSGO was already good. Only reason casuals left csgo was because of high cheaters and 64tick cringefest. Otherwise for most people csgo runs better in their PCs than valorant. The community wanted a better tick rate servers and a fix to MM issue(cheaters) although idk what valve is going to do about cheaters (probably nothing) but other than that, the sub tick system is pretty good along with the smokes update.
Pros quit csgo because they couldn't keep up with the young talent. Look at the majority who switched, their career was already over. Valorant gave them a second chance.
Only in NA, but for asian fps scene riot did better than valve, valve is just selfish they never looked for opportunities from asian scene, thats y i personally hate valve not their game btw.
@@leosimvuiseng2926 thats not it bro asian scene is not just developed enough to contend with EU and NA scene but now that they have fps like valorant they will for sure developed faster because EU and NA has already paved the way for them on possible opportunities
@@madcap9977 they do. they're giving asian teams more slots in majors now and to be brutally honest, Asian CS never really had a moment where they're a consistent competitor in the t1 scene. They would upset decent teams every once in a while before fading away again, it's been like this since forever. It's probably because of this inconsistency that the region doesn't get that much attention from organizers. I feel like the scene needs a team that can actually win consistently against t1 competition in order for it to get more opportunities. Look at the South American scene before LG won a major, they were just as obscure as the asian scene. It was after LG winning that the scene starts to get more recognition and more teams start to bloom.
Cs stays cs, they ain't changing a 20+ year old game. People who say valorant is going to die are just dumb, same goes for people who say that about csgo. Both are hyped games, nothing is going to die or is dead nothing is better or worse. Just preference, innit.
I think that people should be happy that there are different games to play instead of tearing eachothers eyeballs out because they like one game more than the other
this is one of those Qdoba vs. Chipotle scenarios. If you like one, there's no changing your mind on it. There's no amount of logic that can change ur mind. It's what you like. Im just happy there's a 'game' or someTHING to look forward to this summer man.
In the end it's not about which one is better game. It's all about which one is most plausible for casual players to get into. The more easier a game cater to casual players, the more lively the esports scene
@@L0ngF0rm I mean it more in a different sense. People are going to switch over for a good 2-3 months, realize it's the same game as before, then go back to the game they played before.
while cs is very popular in EU and NA, valorant market in Asia will remain undisturbed imo. Look at Japan and Korea. Valorant is catching up to Apex's popularity in Japan, even got their recent VCL JP streamed on AbemaTV, got so many sponsors on top of that. Plus they played their semi final and final in LAN at Intex Osaka. In Korea, Valorant is in top 5 most played games in their PC Bang, even their University (Osan University) taught valorant as subject. India also have their valorant LAN last week and it was a success.
I assume artstyle matter huge for those region. Valorant's fancy cool, cute character design definitely helps casual gamer go for Valorant. you would be surprise when compare female player portions of both game, in csgo most player are men.
Like Boaster said « Pro CS players are in the top 0.00001%, top valorant players are in the top 1% » The reason they left at the first place is because of how hard competition is, valorant is more chill, they won’t be back on CS2 because it’s the same game and they will still get clapped
Tarik tried cs2 but found out hes the same washed now saying this😂😂the only reason the “pros” left its because they realised they are washed and instead of go back to fpl they tried to make a valo career 😂😂😂😂
People chose val because the skill gap is less wide, no reason for them to come back to CS. The pros that left, left because they werent good enough to make t1 CS outside of a few exceptions (Xeppa, Leaf)
The reason why some of CS pro players went to valorant is because they were not good enough to make their names on the competitive scene. That's probably the reason why they left. Valorant has lots of broken mechanics, poor balance updates and is way more Luck based and Noob Friendly. And even the Pro's that left cs are not even that good anymore in Valorant. Also a Diamond/Ascendant in Valo couldn't even get pass DMG, by my experience playing it. It explains a lot.
Its not going to change much, at the end of the day, its way easier to go pro in val, so pros wouldnt switch, and its harder for casual players to start playing cs
I'm a Valorant player who is going to switch cuz I'm bored of Val and I tried cs2 and really liked the feel of it. I previously didn't like the feel of CS that much because the guns didn't feel as responsive, but now they feel quicker and more intuitive.
pros will definitely not switch back from valorant to CS2 cuz essentially the pro scene from CSGO will migrate to CS2. so if they couldn't make it in CSGO, they likely wont make it in CS2. Now if new orgs in NA decide to invest in CS2, then I can see NA scene being revived. Till then its just the same shit.
Crazy how almost every washed up CS pro that dipped to Val is talking shit about CS2. Stay away, none of you had a "going away" party for a fucking reason lol.
the rumors actually more hype than the update itself. The CS community will start debate in every Valorant video again, because they have nothing to talk in their community after the hype is gone
CSGO2 is going to be the same as it was especially for the pro scene... Nothing changed other than retextures for older maps and dynamic smokes. Lineups will still be the same, movement and strats will still be the same. It is an overblown update that makes it seem like a brand new game is going to come out. CS has always been a great game but all of these changes that valve are making should've been done several years ago prior to valorants release... The reason why pros left the scene was simply due to the development team not listening to the community in the first place.
i mean thats just false, all the NA pros left because the NA scene died and orgs couldn't afford it anymore and they had to travel so much and baso live in EU, so all NA orgs left CSGO. And as for the eu pros, well borderline none off them left, every single tier 1 cs pro stayed, and t2, and t3, was just NA dying that gave valorant the perfect boom.
Nothing changed? 💀 Lmao,game engine changed completely, mechanics changed,they made a new system about tickrate its even better than valorant 💀💀💀 also the game is beta
here are my prediction some people(casual) will go back for two weeks and run back to val because they found out that VAC doesn't really do much and will probably have someone spinning like a blayblade in your lobby especially with no prime but even with prime if you play mm you will always get closet cheaters, i have 1.5k hours on cs but like until they update the anti cheat i won't touch mm maybe faceit but that's about it
You shouldn't really run into cheaters if you have a good trust factor. I would hope they update their anti-cheat. I heard they are going to be banning players mid-game and stopping the match like other games. I also forgot that they have VACnet which is an AI that has been learning and improving at finding cheaters.
@@Kevin-yo8jq since trust factor came out I've played thousands of matches and come across a cheater maybe 25 times. They're definitely doing their job. I've played just as many valorant matches and come across cheaters around 15 times.
People say this yet refuse to acknowledge the fact that trust factor fixed this problem. I play at supreme/global elo and I get a cheater maybe once in 100 games
Because they are insecure about the fact that the game is a wannabe copy of csgo and the only reason why it was good was because csgo was 10 years old lol
No one seems to understand this aspect either. The community will build maps, new game modes, skins, and new physics within the game. I used to spend hours as kid just joining community servers in 1.6 and trying all this crazy shit built by the community. Jailbreak will always have a special place in my heart
I don’t know why people are expecting cs2 to be something major and expecting players to flock back to it. First of all there is a reason many people moved from cs to Val and that is because Val is seen as a more fun beginner friendly game compared to cs’s super competitive background and it’s skill ceiling which is much higher than Val. And so those players that are the avg joe will never play cs2 because they are not looking for something competitive and are there for fun hence Valorant. And secondly valve wouldn’t make super major changes to an already super developed game. And massive major changes can change and alter current strategies that’s worked for years and would likely kill the pro scene. So no, cs2 is literally csgo with graphic upgrades, some quality of life changes, and some minor new updates to make it seem fresh. So no it’s not going to bring back those that left cs for Val. I might has the attention spotlight for a few months then it’s all going to go back to normal. Those that pretty csgo’s competitiveness and difficulty will play csgo and those that enjoy Valorants cool abilities, cheap skins, chill, and it’s ability to somehow be an edating platform will play that.
I think the most affected thing rn after the release of cs2 and competition between val and cs is the NA pro scene🤣, either ways they are trash in Val also and in Cs also.
So you're telling me that csgo was just an update to source? You mouth breathing valorant players don't know anything about counter strike lol. You can't talk if you don't play the game. Cs2 is not just a patch update it's a complete overhaul on a new engine. Cs hasn't changed since it's original conception, it's only improved over time. Instead of making a brand new game and having balance issues they have perfected the game they originally created.
@@PandatheGOAT yes it was an update from source to source 2. Only changed the materials, some physics (not that there is that much physics in csgo at all), map lighting, and sound engine. Map lighting and materials are an entirely cosmetic change. Gunplay is exactly the same, maps play exactly the same (exception is removed skybox). Only difference is smokes work differently otherwise the util is exactly the same too. I've played csgo from 2015 to 2020, and quit the game because it was too boring and there were very few gameplay updates. Valve has said they made the servers tickless but it doesn't look like it has really changed anything that much. Love it when braindead csgo players start shitting on other games and trash talking because they feel superior when they don't know shit.
What are people expecting ? dash into the smokes ? Use teleport to get into site ? Superpowers ? XD .. This Cs2 is not meant to change the old CSGO . That's what we always want . The emotions and the player's hardwork will always remain the same .
then why call it cs2, just give a update like CD projekt did for witcher 3. They just gave a update improving the graphics, in this so called cs2 all they added is a new smoke mechanic.
This honestly isn't true. Valorant is not "fun". Sometimes it can be fun. CS is actually fun most of the time. It just feels repetitive if you're an old player. It's due to the shooting mechanic in Valorant. The game would be so much better with no RNG.
Cs 2 is like cs go + some valorant attachments (like 5 bullets in op, design of health bar etc, shinier and more like unrealistic graphics) so it’s funny how cs players hate on val yet cs itself trying to look like valorant at some point
The AWP needed a nerf for a long time. That is not from Val. Also Riot are about 2 decades behind Valve in terms of games. Val released in 2020. The original CS released in 2000, with Val being 2 decades late to the party.
yet Valve hasn't done shit to the game for years. but suddenly started "caring" for the game the moment news of a Riot tacshooter was making headlines. Let's be real Valve has been sitting on their laurels for years before Val came out, idk why the CS community rejects the idea that Val actually helped make CS better by forcing Valve to actually care.
@@7arooofps thats the thing, cs go could go years without changes, but when val came out, suddenly valve starts to care about their game so much? Isn’t that good? Basically by riot creating valorant they made cs have more changes/updates
Bro valorant literally copied CS lmao bunnyhop is from CS for example and stop saying they try to copy the HUD and graphics aren't the same at all they just modernized it
@@lightie4k498 I agree that it was a good thing for CS, I was particularly replying to LukeSaward about the AWP needing a nerf and saying that it didn't came from Val.
@@JOKONU99 The CS fanbase doesn't want any change. The change to the smokes, updates to the visuals, and the tickrate update is significantly more than what most people expected with CS moving to Source 2. No reason to fix what's not broken. There's a reason CS is the most popular FPS esport still despite its core gameplay being virtually unchanged over the past 2+ decades.
@@m3llym3lly i get it! I play both valorant and CS, and there's a lot of things you can add from CS to valorant. But it's literally the same game, no reason to call as the sequel, they could've just do a big patch and still be CSGO. People anticipated it as a BIG REWORK all in all, but I get the gist, it's still on the top of FPS ranking. I think they could've been more innovative and took a risk since this is their big thing after YEARS.
@@JOKONU99 If you look at CS as more like a real sport and not a video game, it's easier to understand. Do you ever see football (soccer) fans complain that the game is too stale and they should change the rules or add some new mechanic? No, and that's because despite the concept of kicking a ball around a field being incredibly simple, fans and players get a lifetime of enjoyment from playing and watching the sport. It's the same with CS, people play again and again because people love the way the game plays. It's even better from a viewer perspective to not change things, because someone can stop playing for months or even years, jump back into the game and know exactly how it's going to play. For every other esport, if someone stops watching/playing for even a few months, they come back, and the meta of the game has completely changed. This makes it significantly harder to watch for casual viewers.
idk if Tarik is serious with this filter opinion, but its pissing me off. And he is right, there is a reason why they left csgo, they were washed. They will be washed in valorant soon too and then what. NA mindset at its finest. Bots.
Valve literally... rebuilt the game from the ground up on a different engine. Reducing that to "a couple instagram filters" is super disingenuous. The reason they made it feel the same is 'cause cs:go is near perfect gameplay-wise, so there's no need to change it.
people dont seem to understand counterstrike is made from its modding community, CS2 is a new game because its on a new engine, and will allow much better creation going forward in the future.
i don't think you understand how big the smoke changes were. plus if you do not like the gameplay of csgo just say it, there is LITERALLY no reason to change it and I think 99% of the counter strike community would agree with this statement
People don't realize that a lot of what a new engine can do is reinvigorate the stale casual community of CS. When I was a kid, I got into CS not through vods of pro 1.6 players, but because of jailbreak and minigames. Source 2 modernizes a lot of tools (hammer is confirmed completely revamped) and allows the community to take advantage of them.
CS2 looks good but there is 0 chance that the Valorant community will be affected by it. I feel it will just continue the same way as it was maybe some of the playerbase will try it out for some time. Thats all
While I agree the art style and abilities are probably what keep people playing Val, CS2 will most definitely take a portion of the population at least for the first few months. CS doesn't need to change so much that is an entirely new game, it retains its identity while moving to Source 2 and overhauling some other areas, and many QOL changes. Pretty much what everyone wanted, and I believe these changes including sub tick updates will be big factors on launch/patch day.
CS has always been the King of E-sport Games. It reigned supreme but we have to move on. I love CS but now that Valorant has gone into franchising, I will choose Valorant any day over CS
@@dtreezy that’s the only thing I hate about Valorant. There is no patterns with the spray of guns. One time you shot goes to Jesus, the other you get a Jumping one tap.
Now that the dust has settled, i feel like a lot of pros will begin to reenter cs2, as the whole reason for leaving in the first place was opportunities
I am so sure that none of these people actually did any research on CS2. It is not just an update they have rebuilt the entire GAME on a new engine, redid all of the maps and skins, introduced a new tickrate system and new smokes. And thats just on the FIRST day, they said they will be revealing more about their work until the game is fully released. There is absolutely a reason it has taken them this long, from making the new engine, to working on the game while trying to keep what everyone loved about the game without changing it. Criticism is what the devs need now but this isnt it this is just being uninformed, which is sad because it all started on CS for these people and they cant spend 10 minutes reading or watching a couple of videos on it.
@@dinnerboons1504 they are not really claiming that. we all kew we shouldnt expect much of a change. it just moved from source 1 to source 2. but its still the same game. they didnt even make a trailer for it
@@dinnerboons1504 if wheel 1.0 is a wooden wheel and 2.0 has a rubber tire, its different and better but still the same. Cmon now buddy use your brain!!
the main problem with cs was never really the mechanics, bugs or technical skills but just at its core its kinda stale, lacking that bit of rng potential that val has to create so many interesting situations/oppertunities. Everything is just kinda set and you win if you're simply just a better player. By no means is cs dead but if they want take back their tac fps crown they gotta make some actual innovations that can change the game fundamentally consistently. cs2 is a good step in the right direction but like tarik said, "its just an update"(like ow2)
I think they're set where they're at. The game is still immensely popular and has its niche perfectly honed. I personally can't go back, I've played it enough since the earlier versions, and would love to see some other mechanics and verticality, more dynamic maps and features, etc. But I think if they sidestep even a little, they will end up within a territory where there are already other games doing that. They could sort of nudge Rainbow Six off the map (do they have a strong playerbase?) or something, but I think they're fairly limited to where they're at or they risk losing current and legacy players just for the chance of maybe being able to find new players, only those players already have other options.
@@dtreezy a bit of rng is what makes things more interesting and more fun. take poker, there’s a lot of skill involved but there’s some luck. This allows the game to be competitive but not predictable creating much more intense and exciting moments.
Yea. Me too. The feeling i get getting a kill on raze ultimate is such a high I dont think CS2 cant top that with just a tap and shoot. Nice update though hope the CSgo players will have a great time with it.
Yes and the reason is because the csgo pros that went to valo weren't good enuf at cs. but thats also why NA val is entertaining and good. to each their own. give it a rest smh
I dont see a lot of Val pros switching. Most of them left CS either because they were t2/t3/t4 players who barely had a salary or for NA's case were dominated by EU. I dont see a kid who had to work part time just to qualify to a ESEA Advanced tournament switch when he now has a salary and plays higher tiers. CS difficulty to climb tiers and get on huge tournaments hasnt changed. It is easier to get a team and do tournaments on CS but harder to get a long term salary.
CS2 won't touch Val mainly cuz the player-bases are established lol. I can't stand watching or playing CS. I enjoy just about every aspect of Val, most of all it's defining feature, the agents. Will the people who switched just to have something new go back, maybe, maybe not. Most people who play Val at this point I'm pretty sure just enjoy the game for it's differences
I've played and watched both for years. I play Valorant more now, but nothing will ever be better than T1 CS gameplay. Valorant doesn't get anywhere near close to how good those teams are to watch at the very highest level. its Elite
@@qzit same. I've played cs now for 13 fucking years and nothing gets me more excited than sitting down for a semifinal and still seeing the same navi I saw when I was just a kid
“they left for a reason” yeah most of them weren’t good enough 💀
I don’t even know if that’s true, most insane players never had a shot since all the orgs pulled out and NA was stuck playing tier 3, betting on their own games just to pay for the power bill.
We know how insane yay is, his only chance was on a complexity roster a few weeks before pulling out of the scene
Scream? Shaz? Tarik? I can keep listing valorant pros who made their career on CS
@@dipn6243 yay got his ass routinely dragged along the floor multiple times when he played international LANs for complexity and other teams, he was not good enough, same for shahzam and food who were his teammates at the time. Orgs pulled out of NA cuz they would demand high salaries and not win anything or even go deep in international LANs. Sad truth but thats the reality. Yeah so they left cs for a reason, which is no one would sign them if they wanted to turn a profit.
@@myxy4777 thats why i said most, not all lmao and shaz was washed in cs after he left cloud 9
@@PanAlaskowy wdym by washed, if he didnt have a team to perform good with how can you call him washed
most of the pros that left cs for valorant were the ones who werent good enough. just my observation.
yeah but we are not talking about pros. and of course the same is gonna happen for valo because nobody is gonna leave a game their making money at
Tarik talks about pros in this very video
@@Nakamako1 The video is literally "Tarik's Honest Opinion on Valorant Pros going to CS2"
nah they left cus
csgo was dying
more money gain from valorant
valorant's more fun (tenz and others actual top reason)
and yea csgo just looks outdated
csgo new update will make the game undead for a while tho
most? you mean all, the best cs player to leave was scream and no offence to the guy hes a legend and all but he was kinda washed
For all the valulrant kids saying CS2 is the same game as CSGO, nobody asked for a new game. What people wanted was an engine update so that the game can catch up with modern technicalities. Yet Valve overdelivered with completely overhauled maps, totally new gun renders and new mechanics.
@@redk1ttenit is serious and it's true, cs is pretty much a perfect game fundamentally, it doesn't need to be changed
@@redk1tten No, it is. Most of us skipped Condition Zero and Source because Valve made unnecessary changes to the game, and it took a while for people to warm up to CSGO. CS players don't want new games, we want better versions of the same game.
The issue is that there's no new content that people always expect when a new title is released. Yeah CS:GO is fundamentally balanced since they had almost 2 decades to polish, but from what we see so far there hasn't been any new maps, just full overhaul to the game that everyone was already asking for. But yeah I agree people shouldn't be complaining when Valve done the same thing with CS:S to CS:GO.
@@redk1tten it’s true, we want cs to stay true to its roots, we don’t want abilities, cs is not and shouldn’t be a hero shooter
@@notyova the cs2 trailer literally featured overhauled maps like italy, and we recently got anubis and ancient, people started playing cs with community run servers we can make our own content if we need to
It funny how defensive CS players become when non CS player dislike or critic CS2
man children trying to cope that spending their entire lives playing one game was worth it.
what's even funnier right now is that cs players who shit talked every pro who switched to Val calling them washed or irrelevant are now crawling back to those now Val pros and asking them to come back to CS lmao
Cs fans always go defensive lmfaoooo
Can say the same about val players 😂
@dra different people have different opinions, I personally think val is a good game
If a CS major winner says it ain’t that good, then that means something
fr
he is getting bag from val
Shroud also said the same thing about the new game issue. He said it's just an update and not much changes.
Tru
tarik got bags from just watching every val tournament bruh it's free money and everyone knows that
Watch him switch to cs2 as soon as his contract with riot ends lmao
Contract with riot lmao. Bro if this ain't denial, idk what is.
@@tracejde3613 bro he meant he’s team contract not riot ! What denial is there ?
@@stormrider6202team contract dosent stop him from playing cs
@@thekingadam6972 yeah you would be pissed if the guy you hired to play valorant plays cs
bro said contract 💀 lil bro is a streamer. he can play whatever he wants.
I’m thankful for Val, if CS had no direct competition in its genre we wouldn’t see nearly the same amount of effort being put in
Also CSGO player numbers wouldn't be as high, Valorant at the moment is better for introducing people to the FPS genre, then lots of those people have since discovered CS. It's a win win for everyone
@@Andious w
@@Andious very respectable opinion
@@Andious Its hard to say because covid also boosted every game and happened around the same time.
I agree that its good to have competiton though
@@Andious I am not sure how I feel about that, I feel COD in the introduciton, as a CS player I struggle to keep up with all the abilities of valorant seems too complex for my stupid brain haha
In CS I have 7k hours, I spent the last two years in valorant, when I returned to cs recently I felt how valorant is low-skill
Valorant is definitely much easier mechanically but the teamwork required is way higher imo. When you peek an angle there must be a tradeoff, a risk must be taken. That simply does not exist in valorant. If I'm a chamber peeking an angle, there is no reason why when I get flashed I'm allowed to shoot then tp out for free.
@@SmellLee nah, valorant is easy, event cs globals beat valorant top rank, on valorant hahahah, search for the youtube video
Csgo you get punished for every little mistake
@@Midclimb and?
@@alfi_csgo6011 and its a harder game thats the whole point of this comment thread…
If you can see your feet in game, it's a new game. Imagine how much work went into making them feet
When you compare csgo and cs2 gameplay, all the mechanics on how to play the game is still the same. i would say its like an updated version or modded version of csgo. Not a new game
@@keenherzl5397 lol i thought he was just being sarcastic
@@keenherzl5397 bro he just being sarcastic, chill
@@keenherzl5397 bruh
@@nevek895 bruhvo
lol, the pros who left cs did because they were no longer good, they just left for a easier competitive scene
Exactly what I've been saying but CS fans are freaks who get so upset when someone insults CS for being a stale game
Lol so what are we Valorant fans then?
But being stale is not necessarily bad, CS has been mostly unchanged for 23 years and its still really good (Valo copied a decent amount of the game for a reason after all). I mean, nobody is saying chess is shit even though it's a 1000 year old game mostly unchanged.
@@Shouttz i agree with your point, i love cs too, but the die-hard fans are just toxic and stupid really
@Ricon I play more valo then cs these days and valo fan base are rarely on attack cus its bunch of cringe snowflakes normies
@@Shouttz using a system from another game isn't stealing, them taking ideas from overwatch and and csgo was a great idea
The NA CS scene is way too fucked beyond recovery which is the main reason why most NApros moved to Val so I would have to agree with it being unlikely that pros will move back to CS
SKILL ISSUE
Yea wasn't the issue that CS in NA was basically dead especially tier 2. I doubt after having to deal with that the pros that are making good money in val are gonna switch back when the underlying issue with CS Na scene isn't any better.
yeah cant blame them for switching. people who talked mad shit for them switching would probably do the same if they were in that situation. they probably didn't have many opportunities. at the end of the day you gotta pay your bills.
@@srai5333CS diehards can't realize that tho, they sold their brains to be game elitists 😂 Dota2 was supposed to kill League because of how hard and competitive it is to play, now it's become stagnant
@@NoVisionGuy its always those type of people who has extreme bias who makes everything so toxic. people need to learn to have a but of an open mind about things. I am a Csgo fan but i have also played Valorant and i like both games for different reasons. no need for unnecessary hate.
pov ur tryna find these so called cs players attacking val comments that val players are talking about but u cant find any
cs2 looks good but if anyone thinks its gonna be a big hit to val u are crazy, the changes arent big enough, if someone was choosing val over cs before they will still choose val over cs2
Csgo is already a hit.
@@bendover4668 They meant CS2 won't hit Valorant much. Don't be a stupid little fanboy, atleast try to understand what is being said.
@@bendover4668 "A big hit to val" aka damaging its existing playerbase, which it wont
@@bendover4668 Lil bro you need to get of gridshot and start practicing some reading comprehension.
@@coffeecheol csgo is already bigger than Valorant so logical csgo is „hitting“ Valorant. Without csgo Valorant would have more players.
The thing is, most of valorant's concurrent players right now would still play valorant even after cs 2 drops because they would prefer valorant's gameplay or overall art style. When valorant first launched, every cs player did try it out but not all of them switched game due to personal preference. Cannot speak for valorant pros though
Considering you even need lineup just to smoke properly in cs and it requires more technique to use flash, i would say valo player would still stay on valorant.
@@maestroplay6563 in both games u need lineups if you wanna be really good
@@ItsMeSphax to hit immortal you really don’t need lineups
I mean the only agents that require lineups are really only the initiators, brim and viper, and KJ, so not really needed, plus i feel like its easier to land flashes and nades in valo then csgo
Most csgo casuals that switched to valo, did so because of shitty MM and 64 tick cringefest. I'm sure CS2 will still have cheater issue but meh, sub tick system makes up for most of the casuals's struggles. Plus the volumetric smokes are huge, now there's a counter for molly and counter to a smoke too. HE finally will be useful and all the heavy CT sided maps won't really be heavily CT sided anymore.
Truth is, this is what call of duty should have done. You have a winning formula for 10 years and are going strong, don't change the game, but don't let it feel outdated.
In my opinion CS2 is a very faithful remake of CSGO with it's own new changes to certain game mechanics like volumetric smokes, which does make it a new game. Tarik saying that they just added some new "Instagram filters" and made "skins shinier" sounds like he doesn't know shit about video game development. As for changes, I wonder what kind of changes was Tarik and Shroud really expecting to deem CS2 an entire new game. Where they expecting sprint and agent abilities in CS2??
Bro didn’t miss
I pointed this out just to find someone who worded it immensely better :) No idea why anybody listens to Tarik as if his position of authority from being a pro player weighs into the discussion of game design. Yeah he was a major winner but that doesn't mean his statement is any less idiotic.
It’s like saying csgo and css and 1.6 are all the same game
It might bring more newcomer players but pros really aren't gonna switch especially if they were former cs pros. Like tarik said they left for a reason whether if it was because they didn't like the game or if it was cuz they never found success.
They switched because skill issues.
They biggest reason valorant pros left is because they couldn't sustain their tier 2 career in csgo and i think someone can relate to that.
tarik literally won a supermajor 🤣 what is this copium lil bro
@@Aefax that c9 roster was never actually good. He did get the win and you cant take that away from him but it doesnt prove anything
@@Nao-pj7mc so let me make this clear, you're making the claim that you can win a supermajor without being good? ok
@@Aefax Yes, underdog teams can win championships. It happens in every esport and regular sports. That cloud9 team was ranked number five going into the major but they had many flaws. Ska was an awper who was ready to leave the team and was talking about potential retirement even before the tournament began. Tarik and stew were already in talks with fallen. A potential swap also was possible with elige and nitro. The team won and it was a fluke. It dosent take away from the prestige of winning a major tho.
@@Aefax I'm not sure which sports you watch but just take a look at the NY Giants with Eli Manning, fc Porto winning champions league when under Jose Mourinho, USA beating the Russians in ice hockey, and the Dallas Mavericks vs the Miami heat finals in 2010. These are all flukes since they were the worse team in multiple matches yet through sheer innocence they pull through
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Valorant bros are so mad rn, it’s a huge update, changing a games engine is an insane feat to take on and they did it well, which is rare
calling CS2 a new game is like calling Overwatch 2 a new game 😂
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Except CS isn't dead and Overwatch is dead, CS has just peaked at it's highest peak players
@@tnzxx8996 what does that have to do with anything he just said
@@c2shifty368 Overwatch
@@tnzxx8996 ow is not dead check the player count then comment if ur not good at ow that's not mean that the game is dead
I like CSGO but I don't play it because I can't see people and, after this update, I can now see people so I'm gonna play the game a lot more.
visibility has always been an issue in csgo, glad to see cs2 take many steps to eliminate it. Most normal people like me and jeff houngoungagne, warowl - basically honest players have always been against shit like 1way smokes, heavy dark smoke rising from molotovs and dust being kicked up from grenades. We don't cry about it all the time but we definitely appreciate it's being cleaned up now.
@@aceofhades9110 yup, getting randomly killed through the smoke that molly makes is just trash.. also smokes work trash atm. One person always has an advantage, and it's random.
improved hitboxes and no tickrate shits going to be so crispy
Theres a very good reason why ex csgo pros make it in valorant but not the other way around.
Because valorant is new and cs isn't 🤯
@@thekingadam6972i bet a silver 3 in csgo would be gold in valorant
@@rtrtrrty5370 ok idc 😐
Its a major update tho, they ported the game to a whole new updated engine that all of the valve devs can work with.l The reason CS:GO got no updates was because it was running off the source 1 engine which only a small portion of the staff could code with, now more people can work on the game. Its a nothing update now but a major update for the long term of the game.
No way a big streamer finally called out the BS that is "Counter Striker 2". Its literally the same game with a new update.... Its a shame what they are getting away with. Just look at what fortnite did they updated the engine and didnt label it "Fortnite 2" just for a cash grab and clicks. They actually care about their product and how people view and talk about it. CS can care less what the community has to say as long as people are playing and spending money just look at CSGO... this is why i fw tarik he speaks the truth
Are you actually delusional?
Have you SEEN the Twitter posts from CSGO?
You can't call CS2 BS when a game like Overwatch 2 exists...i mean it's literally the same game, same engine and everything. Meanwhile CS2 actually has a newer engine, newer gameplay elements and newer cosmetics. And they are not keeping this game along with CSGO, the CSGO will get an update in Summer and it'll become CS2. And the title CSGO will just retire.
@@BionicXAngel OW2 was BS CS2 was BS just to a lesser degree
Man literally went and said "Same game with a new update" Yes genius, that's what the community has been asking for, because gameplay of CSGO was already good. Only reason casuals left csgo was because of high cheaters and 64tick cringefest. Otherwise for most people csgo runs better in their PCs than valorant. The community wanted a better tick rate servers and a fix to MM issue(cheaters) although idk what valve is going to do about cheaters (probably nothing) but other than that, the sub tick system is pretty good along with the smokes update.
@@BionicXAngel just because OW 2 is BS doesn’t mean CS 2 isn’t BS either.
Pros quit csgo because they couldn't keep up with the young talent. Look at the majority who switched, their career was already over. Valorant gave them a second chance.
Only in NA, but for asian fps scene riot did better than valve, valve is just selfish they never looked for opportunities from asian scene, thats y i personally hate valve not their game btw.
@@madcap9977 asian scene is not good either riot is giving china free slots so desperate
@@madcap9977 nah asian scene just dominated by eu big difference
@@leosimvuiseng2926 thats not it bro asian scene is not just developed enough to contend with EU and NA scene but now that they have fps like valorant they will for sure developed faster because EU and NA has already paved the way for them on possible opportunities
@@madcap9977 they do. they're giving asian teams more slots in majors now and to be brutally honest, Asian CS never really had a moment where they're a consistent competitor in the t1 scene. They would upset decent teams every once in a while before fading away again, it's been like this since forever. It's probably because of this inconsistency that the region doesn't get that much attention from organizers. I feel like the scene needs a team that can actually win consistently against t1 competition in order for it to get more opportunities. Look at the South American scene before LG won a major, they were just as obscure as the asian scene. It was after LG winning that the scene starts to get more recognition and more teams start to bloom.
I am waiting for Valorant 2
Valorant 2 with RTX on mature graphics would be dope
@@user-c3jdf9lylzse valorant looks like shit compared to cs the fuck are you talking about? 😅
I love how CS is improving. It's a win for FPS gaming. The competition will be higher meaning Riot will also improve their game like Valo.
The competition will be higher?
Is it not high right now?
@matias-jk7vm ooooh that kinda stink from that remarks 😅❤😂😂😂 and we all know how lol play this day. And it will happen with valo.
"Improving"
All of the changes introduced in cs2 are fucking horrible.
Cs stays cs, they ain't changing a 20+ year old game.
People who say valorant is going to die are just dumb, same goes for people who say that about csgo. Both are hyped games, nothing is going to die or is dead nothing is better or worse. Just preference, innit.
I think that people should be happy that there are different games to play instead of tearing eachothers eyeballs out because they like one game more than the other
people love to be angry on the internet
@@ewamenamiesz yes true, they have to let their man child side out somewhere, anywhere that’s not irl
It's not CS:GO 2, it's CS:GO Remastered
this is one of those Qdoba vs. Chipotle scenarios. If you like one, there's no changing your mind on it. There's no amount of logic that can change ur mind. It's what you like. Im just happy there's a 'game' or someTHING to look forward to this summer man.
In the end it's not about which one is better game. It's all about which one is most plausible for casual players to get into. The more easier a game cater to casual players, the more lively the esports scene
"they left for a reason" lmao. Lil bro saying that they washed and not good enough to compete in CSGO pro scene in smooth way
it might end up being what happened to OW2
doubt it, in terms of gameplay CS is much better than OW2 when it comes to simplicity and mechanics
@@L0ngF0rm whoosh
@@L0ngF0rm I mean it more in a different sense. People are going to switch over for a good 2-3 months, realize it's the same game as before, then go back to the game they played before.
@@L0ngF0rm bro please read, nobody is comparing both directly
@@giantdwarf69420 yep you're correct, this is exactly what is going to happen. the game is still good, but its not really gonna bring people "back"
"Pros" that left cs are the ones that never got signed or were cut like Tarik 😂
while cs is very popular in EU and NA, valorant market in Asia will remain undisturbed imo. Look at Japan and Korea. Valorant is catching up to Apex's popularity in Japan, even got their recent VCL JP streamed on AbemaTV, got so many sponsors on top of that. Plus they played their semi final and final in LAN at Intex Osaka. In Korea, Valorant is in top 5 most played games in their PC Bang, even their University (Osan University) taught valorant as subject. India also have their valorant LAN last week and it was a success.
Where is CS popular in NA. EU, CIS and latam, tahts where CS runs supreme.
So we’re just gonna ignore how popular cs is in china? The country with one of the biggest population and market in the world?
@@surty8406 Since when is CS popular in china? Besides some skin investors the game aint more popular then in australia.
@@surty8406 peak 100k player in china which consists of 1.4 bil population is not big ...
I assume artstyle matter huge for those region. Valorant's fancy cool, cute character design definitely helps casual gamer go for Valorant. you would be surprise when compare female player portions of both game, in csgo most player are men.
If Riot upgrades Valorant to Unreal Engine 5.1 graphics, it will be a huge blow to CS2, but I don’t think Riot cares enough to upgrade the graphics.
Like Boaster said « Pro CS players are in the top 0.00001%, top valorant players are in the top 1% »
The reason they left at the first place is because of how hard competition is, valorant is more chill, they won’t be back on CS2 because it’s the same game and they will still get clapped
Lmao
There is no incentive for them in CS. Valorant pays good.
@@ramennoodle2085 That too, it would take forever to get to that top tier scene in CS and get that good money
Tarik tried cs2 but found out hes the same washed now saying this😂😂the only reason the “pros” left its because they realised they are washed and instead of go back to fpl they tried to make a valo career 😂😂😂😂
Or maybe tier 2 cs is just ass
People chose val because the skill gap is less wide, no reason for them to come back to CS. The pros that left, left because they werent good enough to make t1 CS outside of a few exceptions (Xeppa, Leaf)
ange1 was pretty good too
hope the ascendant+ on my bronze lobbys goes to csgo 2.
The reason why some of CS pro players went to valorant is because they were not good enough to make their names on the competitive scene. That's probably the reason why they left. Valorant has lots of broken mechanics, poor balance updates and is way more Luck based and Noob Friendly. And even the Pro's that left cs are not even that good anymore in Valorant. Also a Diamond/Ascendant in Valo couldn't even get pass DMG, by my experience playing it. It explains a lot.
Like tenz he was good but he got benched from my recollection and he is one of the top valo pros so it says a lot
CS2 is basically CS:GO remastered, same shit different texture. A lot of former CSGO pros went to Valorant cause they're burnt out on playing CSGO.
Its not going to change much, at the end of the day, its way easier to go pro in val, so pros wouldnt switch, and its harder for casual players to start playing cs
I'm a Valorant player who is going to switch cuz I'm bored of Val and I tried cs2 and really liked the feel of it. I previously didn't like the feel of CS that much because the guns didn't feel as responsive, but now they feel quicker and more intuitive.
Have fun getting spinbotted and headshotted at spawn bro
pros will definitely not switch back from valorant to CS2 cuz essentially the pro scene from CSGO will migrate to CS2. so if they couldn't make it in CSGO, they likely wont make it in CS2. Now if new orgs in NA decide to invest in CS2, then I can see NA scene being revived. Till then its just the same shit.
Crazy how almost every washed up CS pro that dipped to Val is talking shit about CS2. Stay away, none of you had a "going away" party for a fucking reason lol.
the rumors actually more hype than the update itself.
The CS community will start debate in every Valorant video again, because they have nothing to talk in their community after the hype is gone
average valorant fan, vs csgo enjoyer
We know why he left, infact, we know why the NA region went belly up lol
Peanut brain is the name.
CSGO2 is going to be the same as it was especially for the pro scene... Nothing changed other than retextures for older maps and dynamic smokes. Lineups will still be the same, movement and strats will still be the same. It is an overblown update that makes it seem like a brand new game is going to come out. CS has always been a great game but all of these changes that valve are making should've been done several years ago prior to valorants release... The reason why pros left the scene was simply due to the development team not listening to the community in the first place.
No cos the pros are washed up
Reason why most NA pros left was because of tournaments mostly being in EU during the covid era
i mean thats just false, all the NA pros left because the NA scene died and orgs couldn't afford it anymore and they had to travel so much and baso live in EU, so all NA orgs left CSGO. And as for the eu pros, well borderline none off them left, every single tier 1 cs pro stayed, and t2, and t3, was just NA dying that gave valorant the perfect boom.
yeh fr , imagine if cs;go was owned by RIOT games . monthly/weekly updates and stuff
Nothing changed? 💀 Lmao,game engine changed completely, mechanics changed,they made a new system about tickrate its even better than valorant 💀💀💀 also the game is beta
Notice how the only pros that left were all bottom of the barel and were never or very rarely dominant
"It's not a new game it's an update, I don't know how they were able to call it a new game."
Meanwhile: FIFA, MADDEN, NBA2K... 🤡
if you're good at cs play cs , good at val play val end of story
most sane comment
Ive been surfing on csgo for a long time now. Seeing my legs mid surf is gonna be crazy.
here are my prediction some people(casual) will go back for two weeks and run back to val because they found out that VAC doesn't really do much and will probably have someone spinning like a blayblade in your lobby especially with no prime but even with prime if you play mm you will always get closet cheaters, i have 1.5k hours on cs but like until they update the anti cheat i won't touch mm maybe faceit but that's about it
You shouldn't really run into cheaters if you have a good trust factor. I would hope they update their anti-cheat. I heard they are going to be banning players mid-game and stopping the match like other games. I also forgot that they have VACnet which is an AI that has been learning and improving at finding cheaters.
@@Kevin-yo8jq since trust factor came out I've played thousands of matches and come across a cheater maybe 25 times. They're definitely doing their job. I've played just as many valorant matches and come across cheaters around 15 times.
People say this yet refuse to acknowledge the fact that trust factor fixed this problem. I play at supreme/global elo and I get a cheater maybe once in 100 games
i have less than 1k hours and I don't remember the last time I got a cheater in my game.
@@aceofhades9110 people who haven't played CS since 2015 don't know that cheaters are relatively rare now
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fortnite has made bigger changes and they didn't call it fortnite 2
I just don’t understand why Valorant players keep attacking, Just play both EZ
Because they are insecure about the fact that the game is a wannabe copy of csgo and the only reason why it was good was because csgo was 10 years old lol
It’s a much needed update to cs. A new game mode might spawn from it since the modding community is huge.
No one seems to understand this aspect either. The community will build maps, new game modes, skins, and new physics within the game. I used to spend hours as kid just joining community servers in 1.6 and trying all this crazy shit built by the community. Jailbreak will always have a special place in my heart
I don’t know why people are expecting cs2 to be something major and expecting players to flock back to it. First of all there is a reason many people moved from cs to Val and that is because Val is seen as a more fun beginner friendly game compared to cs’s super competitive background and it’s skill ceiling which is much higher than Val. And so those players that are the avg joe will never play cs2 because they are not looking for something competitive and are there for fun hence Valorant. And secondly valve wouldn’t make super major changes to an already super developed game. And massive major changes can change and alter current strategies that’s worked for years and would likely kill the pro scene. So no, cs2 is literally csgo with graphic upgrades, some quality of life changes, and some minor new updates to make it seem fresh. So no it’s not going to bring back those that left cs for Val. I might has the attention spotlight for a few months then it’s all going to go back to normal. Those that pretty csgo’s competitiveness and difficulty will play csgo and those that enjoy Valorants cool abilities, cheap skins, chill, and it’s ability to somehow be an edating platform will play that.
Fax
maybe it was stale, but the truth is that they mainly moved to val cos EU bodied NA into completely dying
I think the most affected thing rn after the release of cs2 and competition between val and cs is the NA pro scene🤣, either ways they are trash in Val also and in Cs also.
EU kinda sabatoged NA scene from growing no?
cs2 is just an update for csgo to make the game feel new and interesting, it doesn't change core gameplay at all for anything other than util
except for the physics engine, smoke grenades, visibility and sound design...
But yeah nothing major.
So you're telling me that csgo was just an update to source?
You mouth breathing valorant players don't know anything about counter strike lol. You can't talk if you don't play the game. Cs2 is not just a patch update it's a complete overhaul on a new engine.
Cs hasn't changed since it's original conception, it's only improved over time. Instead of making a brand new game and having balance issues they have perfected the game they originally created.
@@PandatheGOAT yes it was an update from source to source 2. Only changed the materials, some physics (not that there is that much physics in csgo at all), map lighting, and sound engine. Map lighting and materials are an entirely cosmetic change. Gunplay is exactly the same, maps play exactly the same (exception is removed skybox). Only difference is smokes work differently otherwise the util is exactly the same too. I've played csgo from 2015 to 2020, and quit the game because it was too boring and there were very few gameplay updates. Valve has said they made the servers tickless but it doesn't look like it has really changed anything that much. Love it when braindead csgo players start shitting on other games and trash talking because they feel superior when they don't know shit.
What are people expecting ? dash into the smokes ? Use teleport to get into site ? Superpowers ? XD .. This Cs2 is not meant to change the old CSGO . That's what we always want . The emotions and the player's hardwork will always remain the same .
then why call it cs2, just give a update like CD projekt did for witcher 3. They just gave a update improving the graphics, in this so called cs2 all they added is a new smoke mechanic.
Classic response from a die hard CS fan, go get robbed, we don't care lol
Yeah yeah play with emotions in shitt go 2
@@Villio. this game was there before you were even born
@@godlenz9977 You're saying like a game existing before we were born somehow makes it better? Okay boomer. Go drive your toyota
This sounds like malding
valorant is just more fun than csgo
and the player base is stupid toxic
my thoughts exactly. when I play cs I get bored after 2 or 3 games lol
This honestly isn't true. Valorant is not "fun". Sometimes it can be fun. CS is actually fun most of the time. It just feels repetitive if you're an old player. It's due to the shooting mechanic in Valorant. The game would be so much better with no RNG.
when you have pocket sage uwu
sure bro thats why csgo have way more players than valorant😂😂😂,only valorant keeping it alive cause of those 12years old kid like u 😂😂
feels like a new game to me... people dont understand it "feels" different. almost feels like im playing on lan which is really nice.
Cs 2 is like cs go + some valorant attachments (like 5 bullets in op, design of health bar etc, shinier and more like unrealistic graphics) so it’s funny how cs players hate on val yet cs itself trying to look like valorant at some point
The AWP needed a nerf for a long time. That is not from Val.
Also Riot are about 2 decades behind Valve in terms of games. Val released in 2020. The original CS released in 2000, with Val being 2 decades late to the party.
yet Valve hasn't done shit to the game for years. but suddenly started "caring" for the game the moment news of a Riot tacshooter was making headlines. Let's be real Valve has been sitting on their laurels for years before Val came out, idk why the CS community rejects the idea that Val actually helped make CS better by forcing Valve to actually care.
@@7arooofps thats the thing, cs go could go years without changes, but when val came out, suddenly valve starts to care about their game so much? Isn’t that good?
Basically by riot creating valorant they made cs have more changes/updates
Bro valorant literally copied CS lmao bunnyhop is from CS for example and stop saying they try to copy the HUD and graphics aren't the same at all they just modernized it
@@lightie4k498 I agree that it was a good thing for CS, I was particularly replying to LukeSaward about the AWP needing a nerf and saying that it didn't came from Val.
There is a very good reason why ex-CSGO pros make it in valorant but not the other way around.
that's what im saying, how you call it "CS2" without changing/improving/adding contents and mechanics within the game.
they are changing (the filter/engine) , improving (the smoke) & adding (the feet) .. but it just not enough to call it CS:go2..lol..
@@reynoldtj1770 RIGHT. it is like a waste of effort all in all, except if they have some tricks up in their sleeve
@@JOKONU99 The CS fanbase doesn't want any change. The change to the smokes, updates to the visuals, and the tickrate update is significantly more than what most people expected with CS moving to Source 2. No reason to fix what's not broken. There's a reason CS is the most popular FPS esport still despite its core gameplay being virtually unchanged over the past 2+ decades.
@@m3llym3lly i get it! I play both valorant and CS, and there's a lot of things you can add from CS to valorant. But it's literally the same game, no reason to call as the sequel, they could've just do a big patch and still be CSGO. People anticipated it as a BIG REWORK all in all, but I get the gist, it's still on the top of FPS ranking. I think they could've been more innovative and took a risk since this is their big thing after YEARS.
@@JOKONU99 If you look at CS as more like a real sport and not a video game, it's easier to understand. Do you ever see football (soccer) fans complain that the game is too stale and they should change the rules or add some new mechanic? No, and that's because despite the concept of kicking a ball around a field being incredibly simple, fans and players get a lifetime of enjoyment from playing and watching the sport. It's the same with CS, people play again and again because people love the way the game plays.
It's even better from a viewer perspective to not change things, because someone can stop playing for months or even years, jump back into the game and know exactly how it's going to play. For every other esport, if someone stops watching/playing for even a few months, they come back, and the meta of the game has completely changed. This makes it significantly harder to watch for casual viewers.
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Tarik was holding back tears
idk if Tarik is serious with this filter opinion, but its pissing me off. And he is right, there is a reason why they left csgo, they were washed. They will be washed in valorant soon too and then what. NA mindset at its finest. Bots.
Valve literally... rebuilt the game from the ground up on a different engine. Reducing that to "a couple instagram filters" is super disingenuous. The reason they made it feel the same is 'cause cs:go is near perfect gameplay-wise, so there's no need to change it.
this dude is literally on Riots payroll thats why he says this
people dont seem to understand counterstrike is made from its modding community, CS2 is a new game because its on a new engine, and will allow much better creation going forward in the future.
I understand Valve wanting to keep the game at its roots, but there has to be some more risk-taking in terms of gameplay
i disagree though they are just building on the same core game and that's what people want
i don't think you understand how big the smoke changes were. plus if you do not like the gameplay of csgo just say it, there is LITERALLY no reason to change it and I think 99% of the counter strike community would agree with this statement
@@rikingg5629 ^
Can't change perfection
@@avishekbaidya5865 if it is perfect then why update it
People don't realize that a lot of what a new engine can do is reinvigorate the stale casual community of CS. When I was a kid, I got into CS not through vods of pro 1.6 players, but because of jailbreak and minigames. Source 2 modernizes a lot of tools (hammer is confirmed completely revamped) and allows the community to take advantage of them.
jailbreak is goated
CS2 looks good but there is 0 chance that the Valorant community will be affected by it. I feel it will just continue the same way as it was maybe some of the playerbase will try it out for some time. Thats all
While I agree the art style and abilities are probably what keep people playing Val, CS2 will most definitely take a portion of the population at least for the first few months. CS doesn't need to change so much that is an entirely new game, it retains its identity while moving to Source 2 and overhauling some other areas, and many QOL changes. Pretty much what everyone wanted, and I believe these changes including sub tick updates will be big factors on launch/patch day.
AT LEAST WE HAVE OUR ORIGNAL CONCEPT
CS / CSGO will always be the goat, but VALO just hits diff.. Don't see valos community taking a hit at all lol..
See how almost only NA players switch to valorant.
Because they all suck and can’t succeed In CS
CS has always been the King of E-sport Games. It reigned supreme but we have to move on. I love CS but now that Valorant has gone into franchising, I will choose Valorant any day over CS
a competitive game with RNG will never be taken seriously
@@dtreezy that’s the only thing I hate about Valorant. There is no patterns with the spray of guns. One time you shot goes to Jesus, the other you get a Jumping one tap.
Now that the dust has settled, i feel like a lot of pros will begin to reenter cs2, as the whole reason for leaving in the first place was opportunities
i mean cs already has pretty massive active playerbase, so we don't need anything😅😆
Bro saying 5% will switch like he knows anything about what hes talking about, CS2 is gonna be a huge deal for casuals
I am so sure that none of these people actually did any research on CS2. It is not just an update they have rebuilt the entire GAME on a new engine, redid all of the maps and skins, introduced a new tickrate system and new smokes. And thats just on the FIRST day, they said they will be revealing more about their work until the game is fully released. There is absolutely a reason it has taken them this long, from making the new engine, to working on the game while trying to keep what everyone loved about the game without changing it. Criticism is what the devs need now but this isnt it this is just being uninformed, which is sad because it all started on CS for these people and they cant spend 10 minutes reading or watching a couple of videos on it.
Cs OWNS valorant
0:24 couldn't agree more.
publishers are now selling updates to games as new games, overwatch 2, warzone 2, cs 2 what has this come to
of course its not a new game. why would you reinvent the wheel .
Because they’re claiming to have released wheel 2.0
@@dinnerboons1504 its a marketing move, you know it, we all know it
@@dinnerboons1504 they are not really claiming that. we all kew we shouldnt expect much of a change. it just moved from source 1 to source 2. but its still the same game. they didnt even make a trailer for it
@@dinnerboons1504 and valo was marketed with "Precise gunplay"
@@dinnerboons1504 if wheel 1.0 is a wooden wheel and 2.0 has a rubber tire, its different and better but still the same. Cmon now buddy use your brain!!
They gave CS2 the OverWatch 2 update folks.
the main problem with cs was never really the mechanics, bugs or technical skills but just at its core its kinda stale, lacking that bit of rng potential that val has to create so many interesting situations/oppertunities. Everything is just kinda set and you win if you're simply just a better player. By no means is cs dead but if they want take back their tac fps crown they gotta make some actual innovations that can change the game fundamentally consistently. cs2 is a good step in the right direction but like tarik said, "its just an update"(like ow2)
I think they're set where they're at. The game is still immensely popular and has its niche perfectly honed. I personally can't go back, I've played it enough since the earlier versions, and would love to see some other mechanics and verticality, more dynamic maps and features, etc. But I think if they sidestep even a little, they will end up within a territory where there are already other games doing that. They could sort of nudge Rainbow Six off the map (do they have a strong playerbase?) or something, but I think they're fairly limited to where they're at or they risk losing current and legacy players just for the chance of maybe being able to find new players, only those players already have other options.
yea the best part about competitive games is the RNG...lmfao
@@dtreezy a bit of rng is what makes things more interesting and more fun. take poker, there’s a lot of skill involved but there’s some luck. This allows the game to be competitive but not predictable creating much more intense and exciting moments.
I'll 100% grind cs2 when it comes out but it's already clear to me that valorant will still be my main game
the abilities in that game are too much imo
Same but with overwatch and them having a better anti cheat system
Yea. Me too. The feeling i get getting a kill on raze ultimate is such a high
I dont think CS2 cant top that with just a tap and shoot. Nice update though hope the CSgo players will have a great time with it.
Yes and the reason is because the csgo pros that went to valo weren't good enuf at cs. but thats also why NA val is entertaining and good. to each their own. give it a rest smh
CSGO is a dogshit game. No point in trying to be good at it. All talented fps players will just join the clearly better game Valorant.
I dont see a lot of Val pros switching. Most of them left CS either because they were t2/t3/t4 players who barely had a salary or for NA's case were dominated by EU. I dont see a kid who had to work part time just to qualify to a ESEA Advanced tournament switch when he now has a salary and plays higher tiers. CS difficulty to climb tiers and get on huge tournaments hasnt changed. It is easier to get a team and do tournaments on CS but harder to get a long term salary.
CS2 won't touch Val mainly cuz the player-bases are established lol. I can't stand watching or playing CS. I enjoy just about every aspect of Val, most of all it's defining feature, the agents. Will the people who switched just to have something new go back, maybe, maybe not. Most people who play Val at this point I'm pretty sure just enjoy the game for it's differences
I've played and watched both for years. I play Valorant more now, but nothing will ever be better than T1 CS gameplay. Valorant doesn't get anywhere near close to how good those teams are to watch at the very highest level. its Elite
@@qzit same. I've played cs now for 13 fucking years and nothing gets me more excited than sitting down for a semifinal and still seeing the same navi I saw when I was just a kid
I don't care if people like cs or val but cs 2 has nowhere near enough changes to be considered a new game.