Ah, the first guardian, Dedan... Just wow. When I saw Dedan, I knew instantly that they PURPOSELY made his personality like that to make your head think that all of the guardians would act like that. But he was actually really putting on an act, as he was a guardian and he needed to make the Elson work so he went aggressive and that method worked. But the Batter and the players saw only the aggressive side of him. Because he was very nice in the sketch world and Dedan actually thought that the Batter was just an Elson, so he yelled. And he fought you because of protection of the people and himself.
Which means that the reason that he fights you later is because of the Elsens that you killed due to them becoming Burnts. He knows that when an elsen encounters any sort of spectre, their first instinct is to panic, and their seccond instinct is to panic. None of them would ever think of attacking these things, so Dedan realises your not a normal person. But, as we all know, when a burnt is defeated, they revert back to elsen form before disapearing, supposedly having *Died*. Dedan noticed Batter killing these people, and decided that he apsolotely positively had to get rid of him before every one in Zone 1 is *DEAD.* Please correct me if i made any mistakes.
The unfortunate thing is that Dedan wasn't really helping the Elsen's case… nor did the other Guardians, no training or anything like that to boost morale and confidence. He has failed. *_And now, Dedan will be purified._*
@@tonacion he did. Rather than talking things out, he just kills and kills. He even completely insults Hugo, his own son after defeating the Queen. “He has your eyes.” “His are full of fear.” And just because his son is suffering gives him no right to destroy the entire universe because of it.
@@melindabolding5601 it does. World created by Hugo is miserable and impure, full of corruption and suffering. This is where we can make parallels with gnosticism: Hugo is Demiurge, who, because of his ignorance and lack of responsibility, creates imperfect material world. Batter's mission is, by destroying this world, to free its inhabitants from corrupted material jail and suffering, inflicted by Hugo's naivety.
It's bosses like this that make me think that the Batter ended the world out of sympathy. Cause when you think about it, the whole world of OFF is corrupt with mistreatment and pain. The Batter saw nothing but endless torture and felt the need to put an end to it all. Just a theory, though. I love this game for how much it makes you think.
The world in OFF is broken and full of misery, but it's still (barely) functioning and there are people in it that do want to be alive, but just want things to be better. Meanwhile, the Batter's mission to purify the world is to stop all this misery, and delete a broken existence, but nobody wants that, and whether or not the Batter's actions are the best option is up for debate. The whole thing is a big tragedy.
My interpretation is its just a character of the narrative raging against the heavens, in a kinda Lovecraftian way but still in the confines of the game.
@@KingThrillgore The Batter rages against all horizons. That said, I recommend playing Talia Mair's "Hieronymus Bosch's Brutal Orchestra". It checks most boxes an OFF fan would want to see checked
See the thing is, the first thing you think when hearing this track is from a heroic batter perspective, sounds like a song of a triumphing hero in a way, but the nature of the song is in its own way panicky and scared, like Dedan, knowing that they are up against something very powerful and evil, and knowing that they can't protect the people of the zone
In retrospect, I wonder if Dedan's rage was really frustration. His zone is the source of most of the worlds basic elements, if spectres are constantly appearing while elsen continue being so meek they're incompetent, Dedan getting aggressive sort of makes sense. He may be exhausted, which I feel makes sense paired his state in 'The Room'. Out of the three he seems, to me at least, possibly the least malicious out of the three guardians. Dedan is extremely degrading to his workers, downright verbally abusive to elsens that're clearly already strung out (especially in alma), but for the most part he seems to actually do his job of protecting. Japhet grew saddened by his subjects continuing to worry no matter how hard he tried (which seems to be a lot), leading him to _try_ to alley with the spectres and doing what he did to Valerie. He didn't protect his people, but recognizes his failure, as well as his evil deed(s). Enoch is fair at face value to his workers (according to the zone 2 library), but is actually just extremely deceitful. He lies about the spectres, killing more elsen, burning their bodies to get more workers hooked on sugar to then repeat the cycle. I think he's the worst out of the three, especially given Enoch thinks the queen sent the batter, implying he either knows what he's doing is wrong or even the queen takes issues with his actions.
One of my favorite tracks in the game. I hear a little of a "struggle against fate" type of thing in the music. Dedan may be well aware the Batter will kill him eventually, but decides to go out swinging. *"To the last I grapple at thee; From Hell's heart I stab at thee; for hate's sake I spit my last breath at thee." - Captain Ahab* The way the song gets slower and reaching that metal drum thing just before it loops makes me think of someone exhausting themselves, gradually lumbering movements and losing actual force before before falling over and panting heavily (the metal drum beats at the end)
This boss fight was intense. The preludes of him assaulting and insulting Elsen and the meeting in the Director's Office all lead up to this wonderful and suspenseful bossfight. But I think we can all agree this wouldn't be as good without the track. I just like to imagine Dedan has this playing on loop in his house all the time waiting for someone to come in.
i love this theme. it sounds so tense, angry, and bitter. it sums up a bossfight with dedan. i could imagine dedan swiping at you, anger and hate in his eyes.
Dedan has to be the living incarnation of rage. He just does everything a person will possibly do when he's angry: Take it out on someone, attack people, threaten people, and use foul language very often. And I love it!
He's never shown to attack harmless people like Elsens. He only attacks those who he sees as a threat to him or his zone, such as Spectres and the Batter.
Fake Orchestra. Yes, it's fake but real. This tune, it is that of a boss battle yes.... but it is hollow, and something feels missing. Wrong or fake, if you will. I can't put my finger on it, but it feels that way.
Fake Orchestra. Or, putting on a big facade of a show; exacly as Dedan does when confronted by the batter and when pushed by the infuriatingly fearful elson...
lol I've thought the same thing listening to a lot of the tracks off this OST. Peper Steak and this song in particular would make such excellent beats for a really unique-sounding concept album. If I were a better lyricist I'd write it myself.
Airigh Maybe the impressionable young Hugo mistook the Batter for the bad guy from Panic in Ballville, and then went out of his way to try to "defeat" the Batter to help his hero Boxxer. Being the son of the Queen and the Batter, I suspect that he may have control over time and space and that Hugo somehow retroactively reconstructed the Nothingness into various zones, by altering the timeline for the advantage of Dedan, Japhet and Enoch. However, in messing with time and space, it warped the minds of the new Guardians and the minds of every other inhabitant.
“absolute legend rips open coat to fight crazy man in a baseball uniform”
Dedan has his coat closed in one of his concept arts so that sounds accurate.
Remember kids
*perspective is everything*
Pablo agrees with ya dere
*multiple perspective*
“There is no right or wrong, no good or evil. Just a difference in perception.”
Ah, the first guardian, Dedan... Just wow. When I saw Dedan, I knew instantly that they PURPOSELY made his personality like that to make your head think that all of the guardians would act like that. But he was actually really putting on an act, as he was a guardian and he needed to make the Elson work so he went aggressive and that method worked. But the Batter and the players saw only the aggressive side of him. Because he was very nice in the sketch world and Dedan actually thought that the Batter was just an Elson, so he yelled. And he fought you because of protection of the people and himself.
Which means that the reason that he fights you later is because of the Elsens that you killed due to them becoming Burnts. He knows that when an elsen encounters any sort of spectre, their first instinct is to panic, and their seccond instinct is to panic. None of them would ever think of attacking these things, so Dedan realises your not a normal person. But, as we all know, when a burnt is defeated, they revert back to elsen form before disapearing, supposedly having *Died*. Dedan noticed Batter killing these people, and decided that he apsolotely positively had to get rid of him before every one in Zone 1 is *DEAD.*
Please correct me if i made any mistakes.
The unfortunate thing is that Dedan wasn't really helping the Elsen's case… nor did the other Guardians, no training or anything like that to boost morale and confidence. He has failed.
*_And now, Dedan will be purified._*
@@TheBreakingBenny the batter did nothing wrong dont @ me
@@tonacion he did. Rather than talking things out, he just kills and kills. He even completely insults Hugo, his own son after defeating the Queen.
“He has your eyes.”
“His are full of fear.” And just because his son is suffering gives him no right to destroy the entire universe because of it.
@@melindabolding5601 it does. World created by Hugo is miserable and impure, full of corruption and suffering. This is where we can make parallels with gnosticism: Hugo is Demiurge, who, because of his ignorance and lack of responsibility, creates imperfect material world. Batter's mission is, by destroying this world, to free its inhabitants from corrupted material jail and suffering, inflicted by Hugo's naivety.
I still love the idea that he tears off his coat in the fight. Like Hulk Hogan
DEDANMANIA BROTHERRRR
Yes
*laughs* You’re in danger.
It's bosses like this that make me think that the Batter ended the world out of sympathy. Cause when you think about it, the whole world of OFF is corrupt with mistreatment and pain. The Batter saw nothing but endless torture and felt the need to put an end to it all.
Just a theory, though. I love this game for how much it makes you think.
There are better ways of cleaning things up.
The Batter, however, sees none of these alternate routes.
The world in OFF is broken and full of misery, but it's still (barely) functioning and there are people in it that do want to be alive, but just want things to be better. Meanwhile, the Batter's mission to purify the world is to stop all this misery, and delete a broken existence, but nobody wants that, and whether or not the Batter's actions are the best option is up for debate. The whole thing is a big tragedy.
My interpretation is its just a character of the narrative raging against the heavens, in a kinda Lovecraftian way but still in the confines of the game.
@@KingThrillgore The Batter rages against all horizons. That said, I recommend playing Talia Mair's "Hieronymus Bosch's Brutal Orchestra". It checks most boxes an OFF fan would want to see checked
See the thing is, the first thing you think when hearing this track is from a heroic batter perspective, sounds like a song of a triumphing hero in a way, but the nature of the song is in its own way panicky and scared, like Dedan, knowing that they are up against something very powerful and evil, and knowing that they can't protect the people of the zone
Dedan is hardly a good person given his attitude towards the Elsens but that's an interesting observation.
@@KingThrillgore I think Dedan is more justifiable than Japhet, at least. One of the comments makes a more detailed explanation than I can.
Some day, if I'm rich, I'm gonna pay for Fake Orchestra to be played by a real orchestra.
That works.
But don't forget about the choir.
and then pay Trump to say, "You are a fake orchestra!"
Someone do that.. now.
Ikr!
mad lad
off and lisa show that just because your the protag of a jrpg does not make you the hero.
you may also be the monster.
Which is a good thing. There need to be more RPGs with this sentiment.
Joyful more than Painful imo
Brad is among the less evil people in that universe
But Buddy straight up became the inspiration for Chara from Undertale
"I'll cut your face off to remove that insufferable smile."
The Batter's face: 🗿
In retrospect, I wonder if Dedan's rage was really frustration.
His zone is the source of most of the worlds basic elements, if spectres are constantly appearing while elsen continue being so meek they're incompetent, Dedan getting aggressive sort of makes sense. He may be exhausted, which I feel makes sense paired his state in 'The Room'.
Out of the three he seems, to me at least, possibly the least malicious out of the three guardians.
Dedan is extremely degrading to his workers, downright verbally abusive to elsens that're clearly already strung out (especially in alma), but for the most part he seems to actually do his job of protecting.
Japhet grew saddened by his subjects continuing to worry no matter how hard he tried (which seems to be a lot), leading him to _try_ to alley with the spectres and doing what he did to Valerie. He didn't protect his people, but recognizes his failure, as well as his evil deed(s).
Enoch is fair at face value to his workers (according to the zone 2 library), but is actually just extremely deceitful. He lies about the spectres, killing more elsen, burning their bodies to get more workers hooked on sugar to then repeat the cycle. I think he's the worst out of the three, especially given Enoch thinks the queen sent the batter, implying he either knows what he's doing is wrong or even the queen takes issues with his actions.
One of my favorite tracks in the game. I hear a little of a "struggle against fate" type of thing in the music. Dedan may be well aware the Batter will kill him eventually, but decides to go out swinging.
*"To the last I grapple at thee; From Hell's heart I stab at thee; for hate's sake I spit my last breath at thee." - Captain Ahab*
The way the song gets slower and reaching that metal drum thing just before it loops makes me think of someone exhausting themselves, gradually lumbering movements and losing actual force before before falling over and panting heavily (the metal drum beats at the end)
This boss fight was intense. The preludes of him assaulting and insulting Elsen and the meeting in the Director's Office all lead up to this wonderful and suspenseful bossfight. But I think we can all agree this wouldn't be as good without the track.
I just like to imagine Dedan has this playing on loop in his house all the time waiting for someone to come in.
i like to imagine Dedan vibing to the Flesh Maze Tango
i love this theme. it sounds so tense, angry, and bitter. it sums up a bossfight with dedan. i could imagine dedan swiping at you, anger and hate in his eyes.
This is a really good theme, even basic boss fights feel uniquely disturbing when I hear this music
_You'll taste the pain, you sick spirit._
türk müsün xd
I always loved that line.
Dedan has to be the living incarnation of rage. He just does everything a person will possibly do when he's angry: Take it out on someone, attack people, threaten people, and use foul language very often. And I love it!
He's never shown to attack harmless people like Elsens. He only attacks those who he sees as a threat to him or his zone, such as Spectres and the Batter.
the rage and anger of Hugo mayperhaps?
Well, what happened to the REAL orchestra?
I almost loled
*P u r i f i e d*
Hey, I was gonna say that!
Lighter possibility: Dedan told them to piss off.
C5ys I’m late. But here, they dedant make it
I always like to say that Dedan's face is 50% teeth.
So did anyone ever find the real orchestra? No? Allright.
Fake Orchestra. Yes, it's fake but real. This tune, it is that of a boss battle yes.... but it is hollow, and something feels missing. Wrong or fake, if you will. I can't put my finger on it, but it feels that way.
its O F F
It's Digital maybe It's the real instruments feelings you miss...
Fake Orchestra. Or, putting on a big facade of a show; exacly as Dedan does when confronted by the batter and when pushed by the infuriatingly fearful elson...
When the borderline abusive screaming mutant is the kindest boss in the game
Man, this OST has so many possible samples and beats to rap over.....
lol I've thought the same thing listening to a lot of the tracks off this OST. Peper Steak and this song in particular would make such excellent beats for a really unique-sounding concept album. If I were a better lyricist I'd write it myself.
Does anyone else notice any kind of relevance between The Batter and the bad guy in Panic in Ballville?
Absolutely. That's probably part of why Batter dismissed the comic as stupid.
Airigh Maybe the impressionable young Hugo mistook the Batter for the bad guy from Panic in Ballville, and then went out of his way to try to "defeat" the Batter to help his hero Boxxer. Being the son of the Queen and the Batter, I suspect that he may have control over time and space and that Hugo somehow retroactively reconstructed the Nothingness into various zones, by altering the timeline for the advantage of Dedan, Japhet and Enoch. However, in messing with time and space, it warped the minds of the new Guardians and the minds of every other inhabitant.
Or... The batter is just a crazy ass motherfucker o-o
Airigh But the Batter gave Hugo the comic
im just gonna let this out.... fuck
i was gonna say this sounded a bit like dark souls with choir in the background
but then i remembered this game came out before dark souls
This sounds like something you could find in Castle Crashers.
Eh, it sounds too fake to be in castle crashers.
I can see why. Mostly due to synthesesia.
And it's everything on the left side of the screen that should be worried
Not yet Snake! It's not over yet!
Theme of the meanie pants
meanie pants who's better then the fattie am i right?
It's a *fake* orchestra because this was made in a computer, using some progam. So, there was no orchestra at all.
Samuc 06 yeah, I presume it was some sort of joke, considering that it was made digitally
Every time I hear this, my mind gets blasted with horrible memories.
Well... as we can see this song sounds somewhat depressing.
You know.... i feel sorry for Dedan now XD dunno why
it sounds dangerous, tense, and angry to me, pretty much the three words that sum up Dedan. he's a far cry from the Tall Minster from the Room.
I love how this kinda has a taste of the cry of fear soundtrack tbh, It sounds a lot like the credits theme.
this game is full of amazing character designs but dedan has to be one of my favorites
What happened to the REAL Orchestra?
They were showing Unreasonable Behaviour.............................. I'll just go fuck OFF......okay i'm done....
+Bucket Walrus and then crushed during the race of a thousand pounds
oh knock it OFF
Your comment is so OFFensive (Nyak Nyak Nyak)
+Gyroblokk champions Xd
if the orchestra is fake am I to fake
“you’ll taste the pain you sick spirit”
Local Batter gives a whack to an Angry boi sended by the Queen in Alma.
＿＿＿＿お仕置きだ。
日本人の方ですか？
divine punishment
Dedan is nice.
Did anyone else think that Susie with her eyes covered kinda looked like Dedan?
Susie from Deltarune? She more or less resembles the Bad Batter when showing her teeth and glowing eyes.
TheBreakingBenny probably inspired
I remember reading somewhere that Dedan inspired Papyrus, which makes sense because his skull has more teeth than bone
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dedan is a raging prick but I think I will always have a soft spot for him. idk why but for some reason he just screams "husband material" to me. hmm.
笑
This orchestra is fake. There's a visible socle under the real one.
you win all the prizes
ニセオーケストラ
Joke.
SIXTY NINEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
420 (~)w( |)
no
Listen, Ben Yoder, 42 is literally twice as funny a joke than 21 is.
Do the math.
@@W3Rn1ckz bro its BUN YOODER don't disrespect the name
@@myhatzulu good heavens, that was TWO YEARS AGO.
I think Enoch is better than dedan does anyone agree?
i dont
i ship them XD))
Oliver Kirkland
Please no...
Barrage Williams XD Now i ship them so hard))
Oliver Kirkland No, no, you don't understand.
Quality is baaaaaaaaaaaad. And you should feel baaaaaaaaaaaad
This is literally how it sounds in the game, what more do you want