My strategy for dealing with flat-earthers is to play "Conspiracy Hipster." They tell me the Earth is flat, and I go "Oh wow, you still believe in the earth?"
The majority is always wrong by design. Education is indoctrination. Marcus Aurelius said "The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane." The earth is very much flat and stationary. Heliocentric model, big bang, evolution, gravity, relativity theories are all lies designed to indoctrinate the masses.
@@awkwardlycast5801 The earth isn't flat mate. Turn around and walk back out of that rabbit hole before you make even more of an absolute dumbass of yourself.
@@GraemePryce1978 because it's even possible to make an ass out of oneself, a, on RUclips. B, in a world filled with mindless narcissistic, hive minded zombies. Guilt trips and shame tactics only work on either those still under mk ultra mind control, people suffering from chronic insomnia and health issues, or those that strive to fit in with the CULTure. You're a narcissistic cultist. Guilt and shame tactics work on people like you because you're all incapable of controlling your own emotions, or are capable of critical thinking and independent thought. You need your presidents and prime Ministers to socially engineer your drugs for you. I can't think of a more sadder thing to do than try and inflict one into producing guilt and shame emotions within oneself. If you understood the simple concept of the cause an effect principal, you'd grow a brain, the fuck up and scroll past someone's comment. You can't help it because you're a Nazi. Don't worry, bro. Youse won both world wars. Youse even completely lied about the Nazis being a German state political ideology, AND that youse managed to defeat and eradicate the evil Nazi empire. And that youse went to the moon. (NASA Nazi scientists, look it up.) That the Nazis were executing Jews in death camps. Meanwhile, the Jewish wealthy families control every television station network (Hollywood/Facebook/RUclips included.) I'll bet you're covered in tattoos something chronically
Back before the internet, your average crackpot went down to his local bar to spout his latest conspiracy theory. And just about everyone told him to shut up... And eventually he did. But in this post internet world, your average crackpot makes a RUclips video and gathers followers. Somewhere in that first 30 or so is someone who know how to make an impressive website or a polished video. Before you can shake a stick they appear as confident and knowledgeable as intelligent people. I believe this dynamic explosion of conspiracy cults is 100% a side effect of the internet. If you think about the evolution of mankind, never before has your average crackpot had access to such a powerful broadcast platform.
The Blissful Zombie, can you quit saying this falsehood. You had to repeat it. Some of the other comments made here are quite correct. In the local bar this attitude wouldn't have been tolerated. If you are going to make blanket statements make them true and believable.
So explain to me again, zombie, How Colombus saw a ship sailing over the horizon, years ago in Madrid. And at 6 I watched from the Cabrillo National Monument, a ship doing the exact same thing? Or is it the work of the evil illuminati. And exactly what is their work? They don't seem to do much, regardless of their fan base.
Actually that was posted on the Flat Earth Society facebook. They said: “The Flat Earth Society has members all around the globe”. The first comment was: “Read that again... slowly” 😂😂😂
Actually in the 1950s there were already flying cars. ironically most people are unaware of that. On the other hand the Earth has generally been known to be spherical for at least 3,000 years
Because they done gone crazy. One thing I've learned about people who think the Earth is flat. They can't have a normal conversation because it always devolves into conspiracy theories.
The "non-confirmist type" within this you get 1) the ones who are intelligent and stand for something - their reason is they disagree, are sick of what they see wrong in society, or they have a logic which dictates they have to be this way 2) those who can't fit in, and will do or say anything for acceptance, as well as do anything for attention. (try to be different, or get a different disease) -- some find flat earth a good way to be "different" and special with the goal of attention and ego actually. They'll argue like their life depends on it, but they really couldn't care less. As long as they are "winning" or out-talking you, they feel smart. For them, what a beautiful world they stepped into. They can't do science or math, and now here comes this group which turns them into the lead researcher, or the next Kepler. You just have to parrot the basics that the group teaches you, and add your own flavour. They simply make it up as the go along... its like saying unicorns are actually real .... but YOU need to disprove me (its a long winded waste of time.. so they 'win'). And they say they really believe, but honestly its more about *they have some secret knowledge you don't* ... or at least they feel good being able to make this claim. Its not about whether they believe what they say or not... *they don't care, as they don't have a clue and they know it* They have to pretend to believe for their ego. *They have this "secret knowledge that the flat earthers have about knowing the (fill in whoever: Vatican, lizards, bankers etc) have lied to the world".. They're the special ones now!!!* -- Thing is: *what benefit does this "secret knowledge" help them? Nothing. Nothing at all* These idiot globe and science believers, you know the sheep like us.... we can only launch satellites, engineer planes, computer navigation systems, mapping, logistics etc.. Nothing compared to the power they possess from seeing though the lies of (fill in whoever: Vatican, lizards, bankers etc)
The other reason is that some fall into a false dichotomy. (if one side is wrong, the other is right) This is just my opinion of Jeranism, but he probably believes what he says. He is not quite the same as your average troll that you'll find on RT when they show a launch, or whatever channel they find that tolerates them. Jeranism believes a bunch of conspiracy theories, because there is good reason and a logic behind them. And many of these turned out to be true. So now he sees the government lied to him.... NASA lied .... so the education system lied.... and anything else, must be challenged to.. So anything he hears or reads from a point of view that is endorsed by "the system", is scrutinized.... The problem is, he will base his view on any offical understanding as "they must be lying"... and work back from there.. And his critical thinking has stopped, as he is satisfied that "his side is right"... *He (Jeranism IMHO) no longer sees things purely objectively, as he doesn't start with a neutral stance. But he still has the mindset he is the same critical thinker that used to challenge the mainstream belief*
Im still convinced that the whole "flat earth" thing was just some troll on 4chan, fcking around and a bunch of...lets call them misguided people...latched onto it without realising that its a joke.
As someone who lives in the Southern Hemisphere, I find this all hilarious. Why the hell would New Zealand, South Africa and Australia all play rugby with each other if we all lived on opposite sides of the world? Don't you think we would have noticed?? Also, the moon in London is upside down compared to the moon in Johannesburg.
That doesn't explain why the moon appears upside down in different continents. A circle is comprised of 3 120 degree parts. If the moon performs a revolution from a parallel axis, with the same side facing down toward the earth's surface, then the moon's face would appear differently from all three continental positions. Heleocentricity is not the only explanation to this
@Flux Incapacitator thank god for the internet hey, where you can be rude without any consequences. I'll bet you don't talk to pole like that in reality.
Are you OK in the head? Optidorf stated, "he /she/they/it/zie/zim/zir/zis/zieself/sie/sie/hir/hirs/hirself/ey/em/eir/eirs/eirself/ve/ver/vis/vers/verself/tey/ter/tem/ters/terself/e/em/eir/eirs/ emself" can't grasp why the FES ADMITS Mars is round, but... Now you say, "read your comment." Then I wrote, "read comment." Are you on the logic train or the OZZY CRAZY TRAIN!
I assume none of these people have ever thought to journey to this impassable wall of ice and check it exists? Or scale it? Or dig through it? Can you imagine being so dedicated to an idea and yet so incurious about the actual truth that you've never double checked?
@@another-person-on-youtube Nah, they have a story that the Antarctic Treaty forbids anyone from visiting Antarctica, and therefore the "globe earther" claims can't be verified. This is of course false, because the Antarctic Treaty does no such thing, and there are multiple ways of disproving Flat Earth claims about Antarctica without visiting Antarctica, but that doesn't stop them.
Some of them claim that the entire "wall" is garrisoned by the military of the treaty participants, plus some freemasons. So, anyone approaching it is shot down/apprehended and is never heard from again. Yup. Cool story.
@@TheHalflingLad Yeah... I mean a lecturer of mine at university went to Antarctica annually and there was no wall, but the minute you say "university" the FErs' eyes glaze over and they start yelling about postmodernism and homosexual frogs, so.
When I google "Flat earth map" the bottom of South America and the bottom of Australia are both close to the edges of the world. If one got enough altitude in those areas, wouldn't they see the ice wall? Fly up in a personal plane? Fly towards "the wall" and live stream it?
Here is my opinion after dealing with Flat Earthers for over a year. 1. They are two dimensional thinkers and cannot grasp geometry in three dimensions. 2. They are mathematically illiterate. The quickest way to stump one is to ask them to calculate a real number. 3. They have no concept of scale. The current best theory is that they suffer from Dyscalculia which is a form of Dyslexia affecting Mathematics. When you ask them to produce numbers or explain geometry all you get is a word salad of excuses. The Equinox Sun angles alone prove the Earth is not Flat. Asking a Flat Earther to explain the Equinox Sun Angles is like asking a Dog to explain algebra.
Or the map is wrong and or perceptive has not been taking into account. There are lots of possibilities, don't be so closed minded. I have watched your Perth sunset video, which is appreciated research, but it alone is not proof either way and some of your others video's miss the mark in regards to being any sort of proof. As an aside, I have a theory that you can calculate the density of the entire Earth with a string and two lead balls. I bet if I do that and plug my findings into the Newtonian equation I should be able to implicitly determine the gravitational constant. What do you think? Cheers!
Or you could just go simpler and ask why you plainly observe the sun move perfectly straight across the sky on equinox while the stars constantly move around us in a circular pattern. After all in their model of how the sun works it should follow the same circular pattern right? Just go simple as you can, if you think they can't understand basic geometry then try common sense and observation. Any object moving in a circular motion can be observed moving in a circular motion, no matter the perspective, which the sun does not do anywhere but the north and south pole, which also proves a globe.
A few thousand years ago, Ancient Greeks correctly figured out the circumference of the Earth using only 2 sticks and shadows. And here we are in 2019 with Flat-Earth cultists still desperate for attention.
I like to believe they're just really hardcore Terry Pratchett fans. My brother legit claimed he believes in a flat earth and we argued about it for half an hour years ago. To this day I have no idea if he was serious or not.
The fact that (some) people believe in a flat Earth isn't that hard to understand when you keep in mind that we live in a world where we have an epidemic of people chewing on laundry soap pods.
Hmmmmm, they just use that as a way to explain their ridiculous theory. These folks are vegans stomping around in their berks and not conservatives praying to god. Check out their gatherings.
New rule: If you believe in flat earth you are no longer allowed to use gps. You have to make your own program called feps. Then you can be just as lost while youre driving as you are in your thinking.
PARK please prove that the earth is flat. Instead of saying you should be awaken do not repeat don't say science is just a theory because everything is a theory. There is your challenge
Anyone else tired of hearing "wake up and indoctrinated" from the scientifically challenged? Just because you can't understand something doesn't make it false. I hate to break it to you PARK but you've been taken in by a cult that preys on uneducated and gullible.
Peter exactly. They obviously think the have some intellectual superiority over anyone that disagree with them, they can therefore ignore facts as they have come from the "indoctrinated" one day they'll really wake up and learn to think critically.
I was really surprised when you showed footage of someone using a level to prove that the Earth was flat. It shows a fundamental misunderstanding of how a level works and that air planes have never flown in a flat plain.
Never underestimate the power of boredom. The world can be boring. One's life can be boring. Conspiracy theories, ideas that go against the boring status quo of daily life, can be a way to add a bit of thrill to spice up the monotony of daily life.
They're not that sharp and know it deep down. Their maladaptive coping strategy is to overcompensate by latching on to an esoteric minority opinion which allows them to believe they're more perceptive, smarter than most people who cannot see the truth. Also, the idea that people in power have so much ability to maintain conspiracies is comforting because 1: it means the world isn't so chaotic and unpredictable 2: It gives them a scapegoat to excuse why their life isn't what they wish it were 3: If we could only change the people in power, they would have as much control to make the world as great as we wish it were
michaelemouse1 way to make a scientific debate political. That's an eloquently stated and politically verbose opinion. (You take one psychology class and now you know everything.) You attribute the opposing theory to psychosis and dismiss it outright. You sure the curvature you saw wasn't on Pandora? Sure you're not brainwashed? Forget sides and diagnoses. Take a look at the things you consider facts about the earth and verify them. If you don't have time to, don't bother commenting back. You'll be saying the same thing about the psychological state of the other side, but I don't recommend it. Your sense of superiority stems from a massive excess of confidence in your own beliefs on the subject, all given to you by others who never tested a damn thing either... how perpetually sad is that?
aludred, how can both solar and lunar eclipses both occur in the flat earth model? If both bodies have a fixed orbit, from any one point, only one can eclipse the other, yet, it is possible to have stood in one spot and at some point in time have observed both a solar and at another time, a lunar eclipse. How is this possible?
I've lost people in my life whom I thought at one time to be "Friends" due to their inability to convert me into a flat earth, type(?) I'm better off..
I'd take a round the world cruise, or a trip to the opposite side of the world to where you live, sending spiteful postcards all the way: "having a wonderful time. Too bad you can't get here."
Jungle Jay Adventures that sucks. I have tons of friends who don't believe a word of it. They still genuinely laugh in my face. This is an interesting debate, but true or not it shouldn't affect your relationships with people. I'm a flat head, surrounded by globulists, and just like religion, believe what u want, we're all human, and we're ALL wrong at some point about something. ALL of us. Just not flat earth.🙃
alludred said _" I'm a flat head, surrounded by globulists, and just like religion, believe what u want,"_ Except that spherical earth is NOT a belief. It is a fact backed by legitimate, valid, independently-verifiable, scientifically-accurate, documented, factual evidence. Flat earth is pure conjecture based on tired old and outdated ideas from long ago when men didn't understand much of anything. What they didn't understand they attributed to a god that just happens to conveniently look like an old male mammalian human.
NebTheWeb I don't believe the earth is flat, but how do you explain the California salt fields being 8 miles of a flat plane. According to modern science, the earth's curvature should be detectable, but it's not.
Antifoul Awl right? that's what I say! I mean you can feel the spin of the earth and see the curve of the earth everyday, how can those stupid flat Earth idiots think it's flat?? I mean we've seen tons of imagies of earth from NASA! I mean sure they're photoshopped and they're not actual photographs but come on it doesn't mean the earth is flat, duh that's so dumb, I mean yeah they faked the moon landing 6 times but still come on the earth is still round duh...
Evil Bastard i think he’s a troll. A genuine flat earther likes to use big words and convoluted analogies and then state that because you can’t understand it, the earth is flat. I mean, I’d love to box one over the head with a metal globe, but you only know what they are in person.
I have a simple Challenge for the Flat Earters. I want them to explain me in Detail, a few things. There's only 1 rule. The explanation must be consistent with observed reality and not contradict itself. 1) Total Lunar Eclipse (blood moon) 2) Sunset/Sunrise 3) Stars on both Hemisphere 4) Timezones I'm ready to bet money, that they can't.
How about a question for you since you claim to be right and you have the burden of proof that goes with the claim. Where is the curve? Show us this curve shape and we will stop wondering about the shape. Simple as that. Oh and no lens issues please just a real picture.
You have to be very high to observe a curve. You can't see it at ground level. There are plenty of pictures of a curve from the required height, but of course you'll deny they are real. Out of interest and for the sake of argument, IF the curve exists what would it actually take to convince you it exists?
Pac0 Master why would asking about the shape of the surface of the Earth you mentioned things that are in the sky do you not understand the logical differential between the two. If yours is indeed flat than the lights in the sky are irrelevant to the shape of itself if it measures flat than it is flat regardless of what things in the sky do. The two are not bound of a logical necessity. What you are doing is mixing the two worldviews. When talking about the Earth being flat what is really being talked about is the shape of the physical ground itself not what is going on above it there are a lot of assumptions made in the globe model that are not necessary in the Flat Earth model all that really matters in the Flat Earth model is whether it's physical ground is flat if it is shown that the physical ground is flat by measuring the ground itself then what happens in the sky is irrelevant I'm repeating myself because I'm trying to make it clear. A disco ball light setup has no bearing on the Dance Floor the dance floor is flat regardless of what the lights in the ceiling do
The "why" question was what did it for me too (that and studying about Eratosthenes). Why would "they" try to fool us into believing in a spherical earth? It just made no sense.
Joshua Herbert same with the holocaust deniers lmao. Like I'll hear them out if they're rational but they always start off with some antisemitic statement which already poisons their arguments
devilshooter126 M yeah I my college class a former soldier with PTSD said that but when asked what would be the purpose in covering up a flat earth truth he said because it would prove the earth had a creator and everyone's reaction was like what??? Lmao
Spot on mate. A good number of them want to feel "special" in some way and finding "secret knowledge and information that goes against the mainstream reality" certainly does make one special. It's the same with the Mandala Effect people who would rather struggle to fulfill a sense of being special over the idea that their memory may be flawed. I kinda feel bad for them, tbh. I mean, their main reason for wanting to be a part of some world where there's a global conspiracy that makes everyone else sheeple and these people alone the unsung heroes who will save the world, well, that says a lot about how they have issues adjusting and dealing with the reality around them. So from that, I feel for them. If everywhere you looked, all you saw were crazy situations that made the world look like it had gone mad, wouldn't you want to be a part of something that could hypothetically try to fix it? I just wish they'd do like others who choose more respectable and less ignorant ways of going about this and try to be something more than Internet trolls about it. You know, like dress up with your underoos over your pants and wear a cape and mask and call yourself some weird animal-man title and try to fight crime or something. Anything really. Sheesh.
You re totally right. They get addicted to getting their "Mind Blown" from there conspiracy BS. I have a friend who swears that The Mandela Effect is real, and the Earth is flat. Hes in so deep that he thinks Alex Jones is a liar, at least sometimes. Not because he is just a bullshitter, its to discredit the movement or something, something globalists. Everything is a false flag, everything is a conspiracy. I always ask him "Are there any boring conspiracies?" . The answer is no. Its always some grand, exciting thing that would be so far reaching, it would change everything we know about whatever.
When I was a child, I can remember having trouble with the idea that the sun was actually much larger than Earth and very far away. My young brain thought the sun was just a small ball of light in the sky. The difference between me and the flat earth types is that I eventually outgrew such concrete thinking.
That kind of thinking can be VERY easily tested. Take a regular play ball and bring it close up to someone's face, where the cone of vision would make it seem like the ball is huge, occupying most of the person's field of view. Then just....walk away with the ball....did it get any smaller? xD
Flat Earthers.... The longest range commercial aircraft is the Airbus A340-500, capable of flying up to 16,670 km (9,000 nmi) with 293 passengers. I can buy a non-stop ticket from Santiago, Chile to Melbourne Australia with a flight time of 15 hrs and 10 minutes. (FYI...it flys over Antarctica...so passengers SEE Antartica WITH THEIR OWN EYES On a globe, the distance from Santiago to Chile is 7,000 miles, and the aircraft cruises at about 500 mph. So a 15 hour flight time makes sense and the range doesn't exceed the range of the aircraft. However, on a flat earth the distance is a staggering 21,230 km (13,200 nmi). This distance is longer than ANY commercial aircraft can fly AND it would take about 26 hours even if it could. SO.....why is Quantas selling tickets for direct flights from Santiago to Melbourne?
I think that is the problem that the flat earth community have. That the flights are shown but do not actually exist - I couldn't say either way. With the obvious fake astronaut footage REF iss. The very convincing notion that Apollo missions did not happen (and I speak as a sceptic of FE), it leaves the potential questions as to what else may also be fantasy.
There is but it is an effect and not the cause. It is _a_ cause. Another cause is a psychological survival instinct, bred into us through evolution. We have a constant need to look for potential danger. This is also why more sensational news networks are more popular than the ones that actually bring useful news, like science breakthroughs and news on world trade and such. What I mean with the constant need to look for potential danger is not that we feel the need to go the edge of a cliff every day and stare over the edge imagining what it feels like to smash on the rocks below. We feel the need to be prepared to defend against or run from danger. So in a world without hungry lions our imagination sometimes takes a run with us and we imagine conspiracies and ghosts and since the body can't distinguish between fact and fantasy(because fear from an actual lion is a thought and fear for ghosts is also just a thought and that is what the body reacts to and nothing else) it is easy to mistake fantasy for fact. You see this happening with the third wave feminism and black lives matter movement as well. We have all done this; to come up with an alternative explanation for something and believe it solves everything and that everyone else overlooked this. It is inevitable. Even if it was just for a second before your rationality took over again. Most of us have learned to distinguish between fact and fantasy and critical thinking and fact checking makes sure we are mistaken as little as possible. Some of us are just too stupid to understand the value of that and get caught up in the feeling of confidence of 'knowing' something someone else doesn't, making them feel special and pretty much everyone needs to feel special; to feel like they are making a difference. We will see this happen with the #metoo, when little snowflakes who feel neglected and unimportant will come up with grandeur fantasies, bigger and better and with more detail than any other and they will have a large impact on the continuation of people's jobs and their credibilities in the future. And because we all want to have an impact, it will turn into a witch hunt unless we can persuade the masses to keep their heads cool. A third reason is linked to the survival instinct and it maybe the biggest reason. We feel exhilarated when we find out something new that turns our world upside down and that feeling is addictive. A lot of chemicals are released in the brain that make us very happy when that happens, among which , the famous endorphins. This is why conspiracy theories and flat earth theories are so attractive to people. Oh, and aliens of course! And the All Source(new wave godlike thing; spiritual crap ffrom the eighties or something; still hasn't died out yet)! And all the other crap people come up with.
+Setekh I think you're looking much too deeply into it. A great deal of the flat earthers are simply stupid, uneducated, highly religious people. Their silly book of bronze age superstition says the Earth is flat (in one interpretation of one translation, anyway) and that's all they need.
What's the guy doing in the plane with the level??? Omg he actually doesn't understand gravity.... down and up.... omg do you guys understand his misunderstanding?? It makes me feel so sad, and he made a video, honey
Lauty Bend that's what I was thinking. Like the plain is still parallel to the ground, it's just the ground is a sphere so the level reading would never change ..
He is trying to prove earth is flat flat Because > _muh muh globe earth means the planes must dip every X,Y,Z meters muh muh its basic science you just dont see it here i have a prove_ But the weak point is that the bubble bases on gravity not on its position
You don’t understand gravity either. Go ahead, explain it to us genius. A scientific fact is no one can tell you what gravity is, but you can? Give me a break douche bag.
Harry Spencer gravity is when mass attracts mass see it as a dip in space the closer you get he greater the gravity Just that its very weak for matter our size, but for earth it causes objects to speed up at 9.something meters per second thats why when you jump you come back thats why there are waves in the sea it isnt just energy coming out of anywhere its he moon having a bit of gravity itself being close enough to have waves in the top of the water
People who try to post “answers” to flat earther question, are simply wasting their time. This is Because, if they Post one of the questions from the Basic FE Indoctrination Checklist, such as “then show me a helicopter taking off, hovering, and waiting for its destination to ‘arrive to it’ “, they ARENT interested in scientific answer. You can post the correct answer (conservation of momentum, energy, inertia, etc etc...) but flat earthers are NOT interested in these answers. They have already decided that these answers are wrong, since they have already decided that it is impossible for a helicopter to do this, since it is never observed. Stop wasting your time feeding the trolls, by trying to “answer” questions posed by flat earthers. The correct answers, are wrong answers, in their view, simply by default. If they accepted the answers as being correct (which they are), then there would NOT BE a flat earth movement/hoax/cult to start with.
Fact is they are no trolls, you are right saying no answer is good for them but i think responding to them in some ways is usefull, they should be laughed at, exposed and marginalised.
i actually learnt a lot from some "answers to flat earth questions" videos. Of course those videos won't convince a single flat earther to question their dogma, but those videos are not really for them anyway.
You can't say it's JUST stupidity that's the problem. If that were the case then surely ypu would feel the same towards the mentally disabled. No. It's IGNORANCE that's the problem. An UNWILLINGNESS to learn. Stupid people can't help being stupid. But they CAN help being ignorant.
The weirdest thing about Flat Earthers is that they are quite happy to say the *other* planets are (mostly) spherical, just not this one, because reasons. The most entertaining time I have ever had is watching a Flat Earther and an anti-vaxxer argue about who understood science 'better'.
your words only speak of your ignorance. Have you looked into it? People who believe the earth is flat don't say that planets are spherical, they say that there are no planets. Before vomiting shit, research.
easy to mock. prove yourself that you live on a giant spinning rock and you have other people that are upside down underneath you. do your own research before mocking like a headless chicken.
Bobo Hacker ‘Yes, let’s post my comment agreeing with the majority here, that’ll get me attention!’ What’d get him more attention, by sharing the same belief as everyone here, essentially being another face in the crowd. Or posting as a Flat Earther, by disagreeing, more people would notice him.
Actually my horoscope today said, "Leo: Your intelligence will not go unrecognized. Put yourself out there and you will succeed. Unless you're dumb enough to be a flat earther. Everyone knows that shit's round."
Life became much simpler once I stopped accepting the delusion known as reality. Now if you'll excuse me, my lizard over-lords are trying to contact me through my phonograph...
Interesting video, thanks. Just a few observations of my own: 1. You say that flat-Earthers don't generally believe in other conspiracy theories - I would say that actually the opposite is often true, and that many of them believe in pretty much every conspiracy theory going. You could argue that this is all due to belief in one big, global conspiracy (as you also alluded to), but I think it's fair to say that almost every flat-earther also believes that the moon landings were faked, most believe in chem-trails, most think 9/11 was an inside-job, etc. 2. Many also have much more outlandish claims - that space itself is fake and that there are no satellites orbiting Earth, that earthquakes, hurricanes and other natural disasters are actually deliberately caused by "them" (who? the government? The illuminati? NASA?!?!), or even that the moon itself is fake and being "projected" rather than a celestial body reflecting light from the sun. 3. I've seen some flat-earthers who take this to a ridiculous extreme and seem to think that basically every world event is a conspiracy deliberately engineered by some overseeing force (again, the mysterious "them"), including plane crashes, murders (such as the recent Las Vegas mass-shooting), extreme weather, natural disasters, etc. I'm really not sure as to how people like this can live their day to day life in any kind of meaningful way, as they must be living in a state of constant paranoia. 4. There seems to be a movement against the group known as the "Flat Earth Society" which is now seen as a fake organisation (or "shill") deliberately setup by "them" to make the Flat Earth theory seem ridiculous. One of the main reasons behind this is part of the FES's Flat-Earth model which says that the flat disc is constantly moving upwards and this is what causes us to "stick" to the Earth's surface. I guess some things are too ridiculous, even for Flat Earthers! The commonly accepted model now is that the disc-shaped Earth is circular, motionless, covered by a dome often known as the "firmament" and surrounded by an ice wall which is guarded by a massive armada of ships, which of course no-one has ever actually seen or photographed. That this is all still utterly absurd seems to be lost on Flat Earthers who are the most deluded, stubborn and simple-minded conspiracy theorists out there.
Well iirc it’s 500 years, starting with a bunch of Masonic conspiracies that are proven, so perhaps they aren’t so stupid for just blindly believing... to dismiss an entire people who believe something as stupid, retarded religious people who are beneath you and need to be murdered kind of exposes your own ignorance.
The Foucault pendulum was given as proof that the Earth is round. It behaves differently at both of the poles than at the equator. At each pole, a Foucault pendulum changes its swing path all the time acting as if it were not attached to the Earth. As the world revolves beneath it, the pendulum stays in the same direction relative to the path it took in the previous swing. But because the Earth has turned beneath it, the pendulum's path apparently "moves" in a clockwise fashion. This happens all over the world at various time periods, but the fastest it happens is at the North and South poles:it comes back to its original swing position in 24 hours. There is only one place in which this does not happen: at the equator, where the Earth's axis perpendicular to the pendulum. Put a record on a turntable as if it were the flat Earth revolving around its center, and you can see at the very center that a Foucault pendulum swing does the same at the center as a pendulum swing at the north pole of a globe: the pendulum stays the same while the Earth turns beneath it. And in 24 hours the pendulum comes back to its original swing position. But try that at different positions of the world in a flat Earth, and the pendulum swing still rotates, no matter how far you are away from the North Pole. In fact, at the equator of a flat Earth, the pendulum would still swing in a circle whereas on a global Earth, the pendulum swing path is stationary; however you start the pendulum, it will remain in that direction and not rotate. In fact, since the flat Earth must rotate or be still, as it rotates, all points on the flat Earth must rotate in 24 hours, so the Foucault pendulum path anywhere on the flat Earth will be in a circle and complete its circle in 24 hours. You would not have any slowdown anywhere. And if the flat Earth did NOT turn, you wouldn't have the rotating path of the Foucalt pendulum to begin with, and the pendulum path would not happen.
And for goodness sake, how do you have an entire 24 hours of sun at the poles with no night and 24 hours of darkness at the poles on the solstices with a flat - Earth sun?
Yet another easy to prove commonsense answer to the flat earthers, I enjoyed reading your comment but what I was hoping for watching this video was a broader brush. One that could be more generally applied to cause even the most unreasoning person to stop and consider. However I don’t want to delude myself and I don’t think any such strategy exists; still not a complete lose I will be interested to see just how they of the unhinged persuasion approach your argument. It was very well presented.
Aww , come on , that's just tits ! Or knees .... or a close up of a hand .... or a foot .... or nothing , just pixels .... generated in photoshop .... or a crafty painting .... or something else ....
Truth Sets Us Free Freedom is an illusion. Every action is contingent on the circumstances we find ourselves in. Every thought is based in only those concepts which have already occurred to us. ... Because of what appear to be accidental events we have an illusion of freedom.
Well, the world is in like a disc. It's being held up by four elephants standing on the back of a giant turtle swimming through space. :D I know it's true, I built a ship that went off the edge and saw the turtle! Or... read that somewhere. :P
How dare you disparage my man Atlas. He's been carrying this world on his back for millenia and you give credit to some elephants? Absolutely shameful.
On a flat earth, with no gravity, what happens when you jump? Without gravity your body accelerates away from the ground. What causes you to stop accelerating and not continue on into space?
Flat Earthers would claim that this is due to density. You are more dense, therefore you fall down because the air around you can't support your weight. Of course, the problem with this is that gravity is a vector whereas density is a scalar (so there's no reason why you should fall DOWN as opposed to falling in any other direction), but if you use big high-school-math-sounding words like that, their eyes glaze over and they claim you've been programmed and brainwashed by the They.
@@wolfieinu You can really confuse them by reminding them that the air above them is less dense than the ground below them, so by their 'logic' we should all be floating away into the air - unless something is pulling us down. Their stupidity is such that they don't see that the thing they try to use to deny gravity wouldn't work if it wasn't for gravity. Fuckin dumbasses.
Realistically Astrology and its ability to function would also be reliant on a spherical earth, as the transition and movements used in it are inherently based on a spherical model of the planet... so even if it wasn’t a pseudoscience at the very best, it would still be definitive proof of a round earth
I would like everyone reading this comment to take note of that green lamp. Literally decades ago I started to notice that lamp in SO MANY movies, TV shows, commercials....EVERYWHERE! All the time. Seriously. Take note. Start looking for it and you will see it nearly daily. It is not like hearing a new word then all of a sudden hearing that word all the time. That stinking green lamp is everywhere in video. I wonder if it simply shows up well on screen so producers use it. Like why streets are always wet at night in movies...but make no mistake about it, that freaking lamp is everywhere. I also used to own one. Oh, yeah, great video, by the way
Flat Earth can be easily debunked by a Lunar Eclipse, which is impossible on a Flat Earth Model because the Earth has to be BETWEEN the sun and the moon for a Lunar Eclipse to work, therefore we can conclude due to the existence of Lunar Eclipses that the Earth is a sphere. Thank you all for your attention, class dismissed.
It's obviously not easily debunked because it's taking off like a wild fire at the moment. A whole 20 minutes was devoted to the topic on BBC Radio 5 Live, not saying it was great PR for flat earth, but more and more people are realising there's another explanation for all of this, including eclipses, which also fail to work adequately in the heliocentric model too.
Lol, the flat earth explaining eclipses!!! hahaha.. the sunset alone debunks it, let alone the 2 celestial poles, eclipses... the flat earth is a failure.
Joe Vete Although you will probably never look into, you should actually research flat earth. Funny how during a solar eclipse the umbra is only 70 miles wide, while the moon is over 2000 miles wide, fancy that. Explain how this phenomenon only works during solar eclipse though, yet whenever a lunar eclipse happens, the moon is always eclipsed entirely, the umbra is always larger than the moon. Don't get me started how the same number of recorded solar/lunar eclipses happen each year, even though the earth is almost 4 times larger than the earth.
yeah okay 'the puzzler' got that one already, telling anyone they are a retarded is a horrible way to start a debate and only creates Cognitive Dissidents. You should know what that means, really everyone should know what that means but sadly...
I've been researching this whole FE vs GE fiasco for about a year now, since I first heard of it, trying to take in as much from both sides of the argument as I could. I've listened to both sides of the argument over and over again, because I do believe nothing should be free from analysis or discussion, even greatly established models such as the Globe Earth model. Here are some of the conclusions I've come to. Time and time again, it's just strengthened my belief in what I already knew. FE videos don't present much hard evidence beyond what we observe from our physical perspective, which from a Scientific stand point is not an accurate frame of reference when dealing with objects of such size, nor can our senses be trusted very accurately and thus should not be trusted. Most if not all of the videos posted in support of the FE claims, are from average individuals, never scientists or specialists in any relevant field related to the positions they're arguing. For the most part from what I've gathered, they almost always think/believe that they are experts on these topics, because they read a few articles online or watched a video on RUclips, when in reality it appears more to me like they only understood parts of the information they were gathering and/or cherry picked the information that supported their claims. I've seen all claims made by the FE community easily debunked time and time again, most often times from real scientists with real experience and knowledge on the subjects they are speaking on. Most importantly, the more I've examined this, the more I've learned new info on how the earth actually works as a Globe and so far every bit of evidence not only works but works together in unison. Which is important because often I'll find a video from the FE side of this argument that almost sounds accurate and slightly persuasive, but then find after the fact that it then contradicts another claim. So some FE claims can be explained but I have yet to find one that works in unison with all claims made and makes sense together as a whole. So to conclude, yes, the earth is round, gravity is real, until there is solid evidence to make me think otherwise (but at this point it's pretty much impossible), this will remain as true. Furthermore, I do agree with the assertion that the FE model is attractive to those mostly in need of something to help them feel relevant or superior, I do believe it's mostly psychological...though at times it even came close to swaying me or at least me entertaining the idea, so it's scary to see just how attractive disinformation can be when presented well enough. The curse of the information age I suppose is that disinformation is just easy if not easier to spread and unless you've studied these topics directly, it can be easy to get lost in it, especially if it begins to make up a part of your identity.
@@keithklassen5320 To know the enemy, sure. I’ve studied the history of Nazi Germany, it’s taught me to take current events more seriously and to recognize the similarities, lest we allow tyranny like that to happen again…the Proud Boys for example are scarily close to the Nazi Brown shirts, and the Capital insurrection is pretty damn accurate to the Beer Hall Putsch Coup, that launched Hitler to fame and notoriety amongst the German right wing. Knowing your enemy is how you defeat it…so ya, I do spend my time learning about things I disagree with. I’ve always felt a part of true intelligence is when you can entertain a concept or ideology, without necessarily agreeing with it…helps you learn more about why you disagreed with it in the first place. Learning is never a waste of time, even through studying things I strongly disagree with, I find I can often still learn something of value. I’ve continued over the last 3 years researching this FE topic and it’s taught me a lot about Earth science and the physics that governs reality. I thought I was already pretty knowledgeable on that, but now I’d feel comfortable teaching a general physics 101 class, I’ve learned that much more. So Cunningham’s law held up; “best way to learn something online is not to ask a question, it’s to provide the wrong answer”, people are more inclined to correct wrong answers. The FE movement has kind of back fired on them in that way, because it’s been a catalyst for many of us to take more interest and learn some actual science. I’m more of a Globe Earther now than I ever was and I’m exploring things like engineering currently, thanks to my time spent debunking this mess.
@@joeltunnah $53 million a day is lot to an individual , not to the richest country (0.48% of all governmental spending) and certainly not to the world.
How on a flat earth can you explain away that anyone that observes the tidally locked moon that is always facing you on on point of the earth is also facing another person on the opposite side of the earth? If the moon is so close the angles wouldn't work out, you would at times see the moon from the side.
On the flat earth, the moon is not tidally locked to anything. It is self-illuminating, produces its own phases, and it is textured as willed by its CREATOR, so as to be differentiated from the sun, which is exactly the same size as the moon. - The moon moves over the entire surface of the earth in a circular path over a period of 360 days. There is no front/back or side view of the moon. It is simply a luminary celestial body placed within the atmosphere by its creator for the telling of times and season. However, the government-sponsored /atheist biased textbooks vehemently disagree, as well as most of the globe earth followers.
ok this is it. this is the most stupid proFE argument I have ever read. I must go now, or I will punch the monitor. Some of the arguments for FE are at least challanging to disprove or it is fun to learn how things really work (for example the artificial horizont in the airplane) that one wouldn't really think about in day to day life. This comment on the other hand, is just flat-out (pun intended) stupid troll nonsense.
Okay then why is the texture of the moon the same no matter what angle, even the steepest angles on opposite ends of the earth the same for every single person observing it. You know I don't think I trust you, I think there is some kind of conspiracy by a small group of people susceptible to conspiracy and cognitive dissonance, I wonder who is sponsoring you, which enemy of the state could it be, perhaps they are tied to Satan or the Vatican or whatever you see how ridiculous you sound, when the same logic is turned back on you?
Before I was 10 years old I had travelled around the entire globe on a ship. In the southern hemisphere one can see a plethora of constellations which are invisible from the north (ie from Europe). Add to that the fact that the Moon appears upside down makes for compelling evidence of a spheroid planet Earth. Any idea of the Earth being flat is utterly ludricous.
so you saying if i take a pic of the moon from arctic circle and then from the antarctic circle that the moon would look up-side down? i think it stays the same.
I was recently accosted by a FE. After listening to 5 minutes of his diatribe, I flattened his arguments with one question. "If Earth is flat, how is the gravity constant over the entire surface?"
“Why do people think the earth is flat?”I think a better and more pertinent question would be why do people stop believing the globe.🤷 That is effectively what is happening. It's not like we are some strange race of people living in an echo chamber completely cut off from civilization. We all had the same primary school and secondary school education as you did, by law. It's illegal not to. People stop believing the globe because we realise that the maths ain't mathing as they say. Too much does not add up for it to hold up. The irony is that the average globe denier knows and understands your model better than those that die on a hill defending it . True story! Fun fact, there are far more globe deniers than you realise. It's just that many choose not to talk about it for various reasons. Many celebrities can be found mentioning this in interviews, most pilots if you ask them, will tell you, if you go to the front of the cockpit and ask them, that earth is not spherical and they are in fact flying straight, not dipping the plane over a curving ball but rather flying across a stationary plane. The clue is in the name…..”aero…plane”🤷 in fact even the air hostesses that hand out your peanuts and libations or beverages will tell you the same if you ask them. Sometimes you can even overhear them talking about it amongst themselves in many airport lounges saying comments like how they can't believe people think they live on a globe. However most people simply go along to get along, go with the flow and won't talk about it with people that still believe what they learned about the globe when they were 5. The heliocentric model that you believe not only lacks the empirical evidence you are convinced it has, those who brought the model to you in the first place and propagandised it such as Einstein, Hubble and Hawking to name but a few, all went on record saying “that there is no terrestrial experiment that can prove the earth is moving but we choose to believe it is and the heliocentric model under philosophical grounds as the thought of occupying a unique place in the universe is frightening” which is code for saying if our world was created and not a cosmic accident we would all have a lot of explaining to do and be screwed on the day of judgement by the God that made it. Refusal to accept the ether is why your heliocentric model is in the state it is and why that perceived paradigm is mostly made up of dark energy and dark matter which is code for what can't be explained when using your model. Your globe and heliocentric model and relativity theory is debunked by dark matter. If only you could get the ether to work in your model….then you wouldn't have the dark matter problem🤷. You wouldn't have the dark energy problem and you wouldn't be devolving and going backwards intellectually. Ironically the ancients who did not believe in your model were for more advanced as was their technology. Those people made the pyramids, the Great Wall of China and other structures we still marvel at today and none of them believed we were shooting through space at thousands of miles an hour. They used stars to navigate and build structures that perfectly lined up with constellations such as the pyramids which sat directly beneath Polaris because the fixed stars remain in the same place night after night, contrary to what your model teaches. Even the Georgia stones showed that before it was destroyed and stonehenge in the UK if I'm not mistaken. Einstein went on record stating Nikolas Tesla was the genius and he should be the one being asked what does it feel like to be the smartest man in the world when he was asked by a reporter that question. Where Einstein threw out the ether Tesla acknowledged it, his electro Propulsion technology was powered by it and he didn't believe the mainstream paradigm of Einstein’s relativity either. Tesla discounted Einstein's gravity Theory and utilised the real phenomenon that is electrostatics a force significantly more powerful than gravity was ever purported to be.Just maybe Tesla was onto something.🤷 But to answer your question more succinctly, everything that causes your belief system to stand relies on NASA and other space agencies proving space as they've describe it and proving that they landed on the moon and photographed the globe back in the 60s and 70s. All that falls apart once you find enough evidence of them faking space, faking the moon landings and having no acceptable excuse for why they can't go beyond low earth orbit in 2024 when they claimed to have done just that in the 60s. So we as in globe deniers are supposed to believe that India’s space agency which is newer than NASA, was able to land a lunar on the moon last year when NASA who should be more technologically advanced, has stated that they can't because they lost all the data from the 60s and all the people who worked on the Apollo missions that kept the information in their heads back then, who for some reason didn't keep journals weren't around anymore for them to continue from where they left off and make more trips to the moon? Then why don't they ask India to show them how they did it?😆 As to why many of us don't believe in NASA and other space agencies attempts to prove space as they describe it. NASA has the most advanced special effects and even their spacewalks and ISS footage show cgi/green screen glitches and other anomalies consistent with layered footage. No one even talks about India's alleged moon landing. No one’s talking about it. Most of the world probably doesn't even believe it. Their special effects are even less convincing than NASAs, bless' em. But in your defence, I get it. You see flat earth as stupid because you've been shown a stupid version of flat earth. I'm giving you the benefit of doubt here. Google and RUclips censor and suppress flat earth content creators so most people when they try to look into flat earth and why people abandoned the globe only see the psyop, the government/establishment’s disinformation sites such as the flat earth society designed to curtail and lead people away from truth. You know the same one President Obama and every other President has plugged in their speeches so people can go there and make fun of what they believe flat earthers think. If you truly want to see why people choose to stop believing in the globe I could be sassy and ask you why do people stop believing Santa Claus but I'll be nice and simply recommend checking out the flat earth sun, moon and zodiac app from the iPhone App Store or the Android App Store, that app will show you the videos flat earthers or globe deniers watch that RUclips's algorithm suppresses and hides from everyone else trying to search the topic the default way, by the RUclips app/website or computer search engines. When you use that app it bypasses their algorithm like a cheat code or a loophole if you will, so it will suggest real flat earth content creators videos the way RUclips used to before 2015 as opposed to you typing flat earth on google or RUclips and getting disinformation content or just random people making fun of what they think flat earthers think, talk about and write about.🙇♂️ Sorry, best bow emoji I could find. I suppose I could do a Neil Degrass Tyson and do his famous mic drop 🎤 ,seems appropriate.😉
I have friends who are flat earthers and I am not in the habit of insulting them. Nor am I in the habit of contrarianism on the subject. I understand why they question the globe is because they lack the scientific foundations that should be taught at school. It comes down to education for some, not ignorance, in my opinion and the fanatics are egomaniacs trying to take advantage of that lack of understanding. Those flat earth pushers are also more than likely to be in trouble with the government in some way like tax evasion which motivates their conspiracy connection. Great video anyway and I think you hit the mark.
I usually don't insult people either, no matter how stupid I think their beliefs are. The problem is when they are arrogant in their ignorance. Then I just tell them the truth: they are retarded. I tell them exactly why they are wrong though, hoping there is still reason inside their thick skulls.
Get a load of this guy with his "dinosaur" talk! The devil duried those bones after creating (insert ethnic group here). Lizard people live on the moon. Idiot.
My father always said “You never realize how smart you are until you realize just how damn dumb everyone else is” flat earthers making me feel like Einstein right now lol
One thing I have never heard Flat Earthers explain is how sunsets work. If the earth is flat, then the sun would be up at the same time all over the world all day every day. What explains that? It contradicts the fundamental properties of light that earth should be flat and yet there is nighttime for some part of the world and daytime for another. It just is a fundamental contradiction. The problem with flat earth theory is its idea is predicated on a bunch of facts about the earth being spheroid being wrong. But even if one, non-contradictable fact proves the earth is round, then the rest of the ideas fall apart. That is why I don't ascribe to the theory. The theory has fundamental contradictions with reality.
Sunset would never happen on a flat earth. The sun would never get to the horizon, let alone set beneath it. Not to mention the fact the sun never changes size during throughout the day.
Clash Of Crap You couldn't be more wrong if you tried. A local sun would never rise nor set because it would never get to the horizon. A local sun would also change size while it gets closer or further away. You also would not be able to see it set more than once simply by increasing your elevation. Stop watching flat earth RUclips videos.
ME too. To have believe in a magic spinning ball for 500 years, based on the flimsiest of ridiculous claims is amazing. People can be programmed to believe literally anything ... Oh yes, how about 1.5k years of believing in a man that can walk on water and return from the dead. Evidence for this? A book. If you believe it, you're considered a normal human being, if you think water can't bend around a ball and stick there, you're considered dumber than a rock (as I've been told several times).
Barry, I have a question. If the sun and moon both rotate above the earth on a fixed orbit, how can we have both lunar and solar eclipses? If one is closer to me, I should only be able to see that object eclipsing the other, but that isn't the case. Please explain how the flat earth model debunks this.
Firstly, if we were on a flat plane and the luminaries were rotating in a "firmament", then anything is possible. It's like walking onto a dance floor and looking up at the strobe lights and disco balls - they could do any pattern or sequence, but it wouldn't change the fact you were still standing on a completely flat surface. So many globe believers think that this debate will be won by looking up - no. But, let's take into consideration a solar eclipse, which was all over the news in America last year. If an object were moving in front of the Sun and then moving away, you WOULD and SHOULD be able to see this object approaching the Sun and then moving past the Sun, off on its trajectory. If we cannot see the object approaching, then covering up the Sun, and then moving away - WHICH WE DON'T - then there is a bit of a problem claiming that the Moon has crossed in front of the Sun, from our perspective. Next fatal flaw with solar eclipse is that we were told, and can observe, that the Moon's shadow across America was only 70 miles wide. Yet the diameter of the Moon is 2.2k miles. No experiment I've seen which involves a light source creating a shadow, is able to produce a shadow that is 12th the size of the object it is illuminating. The idea the the Sun focuses its rays into a cone shape, specifically for the eclipse if kind of funny. Loads of other problems with eclipses Andrew. But like I say, you cannot prove or disprove conclusively either the heliocentric or geocentric model simply by looking up. Even Einstein agreed, apparently.
Because they can't accept the fact that we're insignificant specks living meaningless lives in an infinite universe that doesn't give a shit about us. That and they want to feel special. I, for one, accept my insignificance.
AnomalousRift .. ur not insignificant, unsure maybe, but not insignificant. Even bacteria has a purpose. I'm sure u feel more important than bacteria. U may never know what ur purpose is, but while ur here, u either did it, doing it or will do it in the future. Nothing is ever a waste.
You kinda proved my point there, mate. There is no objective purpose to life, we haven't found one yet at least. It's all subjective and that's it. We try to give it meaning as to feel special, so that we don't seem insignificant; but within the context of the universe, we are nothing but walking stardust. Also, low IQ? Ouch, I guess?
Look, clearly we can't come to an agreement. You continue to believe you're significant and I'll continue believe that I'm insignificant, does that sound alright to you? I mean, I suppose you did say everything is subjective so let's leave it at that.
Why wont any flat earther answer my 5 questions? 1. How is it that the earth makes a spherical shadow on the moon on a lunar eclipse? 2. How is it that you cannot see Mt Everest from a telescope from anywhere on earth? 3. How is it that we cannot see Japan or even Hawaii form any telescope from California? 4. How is it that some places are light/dark for 24+ hours to months? 5. How is it that the sun sets below the horizon every night?
WinstonIV, I’ve done long range rifle shooting. In no way whatsoever is the curvature or spin of the earth calculated before pulling the trigger. It’s outright falsehood for you to suggest otherwise.
Jay Dee Johnson, LOL!!! No shooter ever has gotten his compass and calculator out and compensated for some alleged “coriolis effect”. It’s complete nonsense, and an article and video by two hillbillies with no scientific evidence whatsoever in them prove nothing.
1 reason! ads revenue its monetize trolling just look at the amount of view on their video. Nobody believe that but it doesn't matter because it bring exposure and exposure bring revenue.
Mark Nutt because water does not resist the gravity in any way. The butterfly flaps its wings to resist the gravitational force. Also a water particle has a lot less mass then a butterfly
Mark Nutt the example your looking for is scaling the densities of water vs a butterfly, then you stack how many butterflies are needed to match that. 12 million pounds of water, if butterflies are .5 as dense you can say why don't 24 million butterflies collapse under their weight. They would. Also, how does one collapse water? And obviously the lower the butterflies are the more the weight and the higher the pressure, kinda like, I don't know, the ocean. Gases and liquids exist in a detached form as well, your question is inherently incomparable.
Whats frustrating are people who have internalized the argument posing it as objective. These people are unqualified to argue physics. I decided that the individual I was arguing with was using this as a giant conspiracy to explain his frustrating life of what he perceives as oppression. When he asked me what I believe, I said I do not believe anything unless I can understand it. Rather we have faith in science just as much as people have faith in religion, for faith is believing something you don't understand or can teach yourself. SO my point was, there is not point in arguing belief while trying to persuade me to watch and read his confirmation bias material, He was stumped and said that he made a mistake asking me what I believe. And wanted to correct himself that he does not BELIEVE the Earth is Flat, but rather that he KNOWS it is based on a bunch of conspiracy shit he read from other sources about history suppression. What do you say to an angy man who thinks he KNOWS the Earth is flat but is not even close to understanding a shred of physics? You don't. I concluded that it was more about his mental illness he needs to face within himself that wants to convince the world that his suffering is due to a white man 'cabal' conspiracy. Delusions of grandur. This whole phenominon is pointing to the flaw in the human psyche that looks for a scapegoat for their life's problems. It is this emotional weakness that is exploited politically and religiously on the masses to control their behavior and perceptions of reality.
why would nasa, spaceX etc. waste millions of dollars in making us think the earth is round. in that case Elon Musk would be the poorest man on earth instead of the richest
I'm not a flat-earther but I do know the answer they give for this... and it's next-level crazy so get seated my duder. The Sun not being a sphere in space isn't an omni-directional light source, its focused, like a flashlight. Hell, get a flashlight, turn it on, and draw a circle around the UN map and you have a prototypical model of modern flat-earth. Why isn't the giant ball of burning gas omni-directional? I don't know... The video I watched didn't cover it :(
Got yah on this one. The sun is not a flash light. if it is night time here and on the other side is day on your flat earth then how can I see the light from other planets in our solar system and see the light on the moon?
Dude I don't have a god damn clue what the answer to your question is. May I refer you to my initial disclaimer "I'm not a flat-earther but I do know the answer they give [to the answer I was replying to]".
chad deans so far as I’m aware (and as the video points out, they’re not consistent in their beliefs) the moon shines on its own the same way the sun does, just dimmer. The same goes for other planets and stars. Though I’m not sure they make a distinction between the two, some might even claim that they’re not real, merely holes in some spinning black tapestry above us.
I think this guy has hit the nail right on the head. I believe flat earthers problem is very similar to someone in denial. "There are none so blind as those who REFUSE to see". If you have ever witnessed an individual in this mindset. They really do not perceive evidence what is blatantly obvious to a neutral observer. My sister was a huge drug addict and would take advantage of anyone unwary enough to give her an opportunity. I remember her at times sitting around the table with my parents and myself. She would be so completely wasted she was unable to hide it effectively. But my parents, who in their minds at least, felt they were ever vigilant for signs of drug abuse, but in reality could NOT see that she was high. It was very strange to witness this. It was previously inconceivable to me that this could actually happen. I thought your personal observations were all the proof anyone needs. But now I know that perception is more than just simple observation and can be affected dramatically by our current mindset. Our unconscious mind affects much much much much more than ever previously thought. That is what actually creates an optical illusion. Our unconscious mind trying to make sense of an image that makes no sense in the best way it can. But that is only visual stimuli, perception involves your entire body. I could go on indefinitely so I'll stop now and hope I have actually made some sense to someone; anyone.
That was really interesting.. How did the parents not see it? was it denial fueling their mindsets? Did they eventually see the facts? I know an opiate addiction is hard to hide, she must have constantly been asking to borrow money. That's how I was in addition to taking advantage of anyone..
+Debtoralive. Yes.... THANKYOU! Ha, sorry, but so few people get what you've described. It's so hard to convince people their perceptions can't always be trusted. Take a photo of any person with a neutral facial expression and ask people to look at the photo and say what they think he/she is feeling. You'll get all the answers in the book: sad, lonely, angry, happy, confused, irritated, amused. Tell another group that that person did horrible, horrible things and is a monstrous criminal. Most people will swear they can see the evil in that persons face and that they would never have trusted that person. They would describe the facial expression as "creepy" or "eerie".
realize this is an old video, but i appreciate your approach to this modern conundrum. Your ability to peak into the perspective of someone who believes the earth is flat and give it justification without belittling it, but also being firm in discrediting the validity of the claim shows curiosity coupled a level of respect that is admirable amongst today's more common and insular discourse. Cheers, mate. Well done.
Flat Eathers believe the Earth is flat mainly because they can't get their head around the fact that a sphere can be large enough to appear flat at a specific perspective.
Thomas Binney What's with the name calling? You seem perturbed that the earth is flat and you were lied to and brainwashed by your trusted government school and television. Don't shoot the messenger.
What name calling? I genuinely believe you live under a bridge and try and eat people who won't pay a toll to cross it, and no amount of your so called "evidence" is going to change my mind. You're probably a government troll, on the payroll of NASA.
*Why do people believe the earth is flat?* Because we all had that 'weird' kid in class. What we didn't realize then is there are a lot of classrooms in the world and each of them has that 'weird' kid. Enter the internet.... We can see how it's all played out from there.
Sorry dear but the present FE cult in the “west” is basically a Christian cult, plus the usual loony hangers on, based on the biblical claims of the Brit, Sam. “Parallax" Rowbotham made in the mid 19th.C. He is the one who dreamt up the ice wall etc. All of the stuff the FE cultists accept as factual is part of Christianity as written in his "Earth Not a Globe". OK. Then - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Carpenter_(flat_Earth_theorist) This was followed up by the publication of “Zetetic Cosmogeny" in 1899 by Thomas “Rectangle” Winship, and so on up to today. Similarly with Islam. And there is a common thread of biblical literalism which comprises but is not limited to the FE, ID, Creationist and YEC cults.
Fleet Man No, the weird kid most often became a rich nerd with a PhD. The FE's are the class clowns that did nothing with their life after their famous young jock phase and are trying to recoup lost HS glory.
@@rstevewarmorycom "No, the weird kid most often became a rich nerd with a PhD. The FE's are the class clowns that did nothing with their life after their famous young jock phase and are trying to recoup lost HS glory." PERFECTLY stated!
@@theultimatereductionist7592 That also explains why they're always bullies about it who think that their personal incredulity (i.e. appeals to their own charisma) and insulting their enemies will convince people of their ideas. Sadly, they are right.
My strategy for dealing with flat-earthers is to play "Conspiracy Hipster." They tell me the Earth is flat, and I go "Oh wow, you still believe in the earth?"
"You still believe in shapes? Wake up"
Somers
I know right? Damn Sheep!
The "Matrix" Approach? I like it.
Rad. I like it!
I love you, and I want to have your babies.
Flat Earthers: Because Scientologists need someone to laugh at
nailed it
Peter scientologists are just ponzi schemers and stalkers.
John P lmao
ruclips.net/video/ffAFlvLaHBM/видео.html
hahahaha! omg that's funny!!!
"The Flat Earth Society has members around the globe"
It's a double secret conspiracy.
or this one..."The global conspiracy to supress the fact of the flat earth."
You could easily be describing your own comment... I don't really know to whom you are referring, but I guess it doesn't really matter, does it?
I'm guessing Kio Pho is invoking some Reddit meme or something.
Kio Pho He quoted it so it’s not really all that bad
What's great about the Flat Earthers, is that they believe that high-resolution CGI, existed from the mid-1940's into more modern times.
Pfft have you seen the graphics on final fantasy 7 in the early 2000s ? Don't even know what your talking about
Well obviously the guberment has been hiding the technology only to reinvent it for the public later.
The majority is always wrong by design. Education is indoctrination. Marcus Aurelius said "The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane." The earth is very much flat and stationary. Heliocentric model, big bang, evolution, gravity, relativity theories are all lies designed to indoctrinate the masses.
@@awkwardlycast5801 The earth isn't flat mate. Turn around and walk back out of that rabbit hole before you make even more of an absolute dumbass of yourself.
@@GraemePryce1978 because it's even possible to make an ass out of oneself, a, on RUclips. B, in a world filled with mindless narcissistic, hive minded zombies.
Guilt trips and shame tactics only work on either those still under mk ultra mind control, people suffering from chronic insomnia and health issues, or those that strive to fit in with the CULTure. You're a narcissistic cultist. Guilt and shame tactics work on people like you because you're all incapable of controlling your own emotions, or are capable of critical thinking and independent thought. You need your presidents and prime Ministers to socially engineer your drugs for you. I can't think of a more sadder thing to do than try and inflict one into producing guilt and shame emotions within oneself. If you understood the simple concept of the cause an effect principal, you'd grow a brain, the fuck up and scroll past someone's comment. You can't help it because you're a Nazi.
Don't worry, bro. Youse won both world wars. Youse even completely lied about the Nazis being a German state political ideology, AND that youse managed to defeat and eradicate the evil Nazi empire. And that youse went to the moon. (NASA Nazi scientists, look it up.) That the Nazis were executing Jews in death camps.
Meanwhile, the Jewish wealthy families control every television station network (Hollywood/Facebook/RUclips included.)
I'll bet you're covered in tattoos something chronically
1960: In the future we will have flying cars.
2017: There are still people that belive Earth is flat.
HypercatZ
#irony .
Back before the internet, your average crackpot went down to his local bar to spout his latest conspiracy theory. And just about everyone told him to shut up... And eventually he did. But in this post internet world, your average crackpot makes a RUclips video and gathers followers. Somewhere in that first 30 or so is someone who know how to make an impressive website or a polished video. Before you can shake a stick they appear as confident and knowledgeable as intelligent people. I believe this dynamic explosion of conspiracy cults is 100% a side effect of the internet. If you think about the evolution of mankind, never before has your average crackpot had access to such a powerful broadcast platform.
The Blissful Zombie, can you quit saying this falsehood. You had to repeat it. Some of the other comments made here are quite correct. In the local bar this attitude wouldn't have been tolerated. If you are going to make blanket statements make them true and believable.
So explain to me again, zombie, How Colombus saw a ship sailing over the horizon, years ago in Madrid. And at 6 I watched from the Cabrillo National Monument, a ship doing the exact same thing? Or is it the work of the evil illuminati. And exactly what is their work? They don't seem to do much, regardless of their fan base.
OOOH, you're lying for Jebus. I'm sure he'll reward you with absolutely nothing. Just like he hasn't come back in 2000 plus years.
You really missed the opportunity to say “flat earthers are found all over the globe”
Actually that was posted on the Flat Earth Society facebook. They said: “The Flat Earth Society has members all around the globe”. The first comment was: “Read that again... slowly” 😂😂😂
True
This earned seriously evil man laughter. Bless you Jaina. Go forth and snark with the best of them!
He did mention they believe in a global conspiracy...
Because he's not that lame to use a common flat earth meme. It's no longer clever to say this it's just lame now.
300 BC: The Earth is flat!
1950: We'll have flying cars in the near future!
2018: The Earth is flat!
2025 our lives are fake and everything around
2040 wordwide mental breakdown
Aww that's not fair, where's my flying Chevrolet ?
Still waiting on those flying cars???
7r0113r ...CGI
Actually in the 1950s there were already flying cars. ironically most people are unaware of that.
On the other hand the Earth has generally been known to be spherical for at least 3,000 years
I love it how this video just starts with “why do people believe things in something so easily disproved?” Flat Earthers are going to throw a tantrum.
Because they done gone crazy.
One thing I've learned about people who think the Earth is flat. They can't have a normal conversation because it always devolves into conspiracy theories.
Spaceman Spliff Susie is mad at you. And your Mom and Dad. And Rosalyn. Moe wants to kick your ass.
The "non-confirmist type"
within this you get
1) the ones who are intelligent and stand for something - their reason is they disagree, are sick of what they see wrong in society, or they have a logic which dictates they have to be this way
2) those who can't fit in, and will do or say anything for acceptance, as well as do anything for attention. (try to be different, or get a different disease) -- some find flat earth a good way to be "different" and special with the goal of attention and ego actually. They'll argue like their life depends on it, but they really couldn't care less. As long as they are "winning" or out-talking you, they feel smart. For them, what a beautiful world they stepped into. They can't do science or math, and now here comes this group which turns them into the lead researcher, or the next Kepler. You just have to parrot the basics that the group teaches you, and add your own flavour. They simply make it up as the go along... its like saying unicorns are actually real .... but YOU need to disprove me (its a long winded waste of time.. so they 'win').
And they say they really believe, but honestly its more about *they have some secret knowledge you don't* ... or at least they feel good being able to make this claim. Its not about whether they believe what they say or not... *they don't care, as they don't have a clue and they know it* They have to pretend to believe for their ego.
*They have this "secret knowledge that the flat earthers have about knowing the (fill in whoever: Vatican, lizards, bankers etc) have lied to the world".. They're the special ones now!!!*
-- Thing is: *what benefit does this "secret knowledge" help them? Nothing. Nothing at all*
These idiot globe and science believers, you know the sheep like us.... we can only launch satellites, engineer planes, computer navigation systems, mapping, logistics etc.. Nothing compared to the power they possess from seeing though the lies of (fill in whoever: Vatican, lizards, bankers etc)
The other reason is that some fall into a false dichotomy. (if one side is wrong, the other is right)
This is just my opinion of Jeranism, but he probably believes what he says. He is not quite the same as your average troll that you'll find on RT when they show a launch, or whatever channel they find that tolerates them.
Jeranism believes a bunch of conspiracy theories, because there is good reason and a logic behind them. And many of these turned out to be true. So now he sees the government lied to him.... NASA lied .... so the education system lied.... and anything else, must be challenged to..
So anything he hears or reads from a point of view that is endorsed by "the system", is scrutinized....
The problem is, he will base his view on any offical understanding as "they must be lying"... and work back from there.. And his critical thinking has stopped, as he is satisfied that "his side is right"...
*He (Jeranism IMHO) no longer sees things purely objectively, as he doesn't start with a neutral stance. But he still has the mindset he is the same critical thinker that used to challenge the mainstream belief*
Just like believing in a imaginary man whos gonna float down here and save every body!!
Shendoah .50 Caliber You're a rambler huh?
One day you’ll see. The Flat Earth Society has members all around the globe!
Tom Forge "around the globe" i see what you did there
Lol
Tom Forge: LOL I actually saw a flat earther say that they have members all around the globe. FUCKING MORONS!
The actual tweet is there if you search for it on twitter lol
I saw one that pointed out that the earth was found when they said that 😂
Im still convinced that the whole "flat earth" thing was just some troll on 4chan, fcking around and a bunch of...lets call them misguided people...latched onto it without realising that its a joke.
Vish Wah nah. Didn't orginate there. As far as I can tell it mainly started here on youtube. We did pick up hollow earth for a while though :p
It's older than the internet.
@@Carabas72 It is, but I think he's right that that's how it became popularized.
As someone who lives in the Southern Hemisphere, I find this all hilarious. Why the hell would New Zealand, South Africa and Australia all play rugby with each other if we all lived on opposite sides of the world? Don't you think we would have noticed?? Also, the moon in London is upside down compared to the moon in Johannesburg.
Southern hemisphere? You mean you live on the underside of the earth pancake? ;)
That doesn't explain why the moon appears upside down in different continents. A circle is comprised of 3 120 degree parts. If the moon performs a revolution from a parallel axis, with the same side facing down toward the earth's surface, then the moon's face would appear differently from all three continental positions. Heleocentricity is not the only explanation to this
@@brettg82au idiot
@Flux Incapacitator thank god for the internet hey, where you can be rude without any consequences. I'll bet you don't talk to pole like that in reality.
If the moon in London is upside down compared to the moon in Johannesburg, then it's your fault because you are standing wrong! lol
What I can't grasp is that the Flat Earth Society admits that Mars has been observed to be round, but for earth it isn't...
I haven't observed Mars to be round? Quite the contrary actually! I has no definite shape, get a telescope!
What he meant was that rational people with telescopes have observed that Mars is round. Conspiracytards only believe that which they believe.
So you're saying that the Flat Earth Society is rational? OK?
Is that how the conspiracytard logic train works?
Are you OK in the head? Optidorf stated, "he /she/they/it/zie/zim/zir/zis/zieself/sie/sie/hir/hirs/hirself/ey/em/eir/eirs/eirself/ve/ver/vis/vers/verself/tey/ter/tem/ters/terself/e/em/eir/eirs/ emself" can't grasp why the FES ADMITS Mars is round, but... Now you say, "read your comment." Then I wrote, "read comment." Are you on the logic train or the OZZY CRAZY TRAIN!
"... my real name is Parallelogram" that was hilarious
*Steve* Parallelogram
If the earth was flat cats would've pushed everything off by now. xD
If the earth was flat there would be a flood of dog slobber
I thought there was supposed to be an ice wall on the border.
EchoWolF013 What in God’s name are one of her fans doing here?
[Edit] If you are a fan of her that is.
Sir Turtle We're having fun.
The Reader Vlogs I can see what you mean.
I assume none of these people have ever thought to journey to this impassable wall of ice and check it exists? Or scale it? Or dig through it? Can you imagine being so dedicated to an idea and yet so incurious about the actual truth that you've never double checked?
I imagine there have been flat earthers who attempted the journey. But they ceased to be flat earthers.
(Wishful thinking.)
@@another-person-on-youtube Nah, they have a story that the Antarctic Treaty forbids anyone from visiting Antarctica, and therefore the "globe earther" claims can't be verified. This is of course false, because the Antarctic Treaty does no such thing, and there are multiple ways of disproving Flat Earth claims about Antarctica without visiting Antarctica, but that doesn't stop them.
Some of them claim that the entire "wall" is garrisoned by the military of the treaty participants, plus some freemasons. So, anyone approaching it is shot down/apprehended and is never heard from again. Yup. Cool story.
@@TheHalflingLad Yeah... I mean a lecturer of mine at university went to Antarctica annually and there was no wall, but the minute you say "university" the FErs' eyes glaze over and they start yelling about postmodernism and homosexual frogs, so.
When I google "Flat earth map" the bottom of South America and the bottom of Australia are both close to the edges of the world. If one got enough altitude in those areas, wouldn't they see the ice wall? Fly up in a personal plane? Fly towards "the wall" and live stream it?
The earth is actually shaped like a velociraptor
Azau 😂😂😂
No doorknob-shaped asteroid can hope to survive a collision course with us!
Correction: Philosoraptor
Ugh you still believe in that theory? Everyone knows its shaped like the giant flying spaghetti monster
Connor notyerbidness it's actually more similar to a giant flying noodle monster
Here is my opinion after dealing with Flat Earthers for over a year.
1. They are two dimensional thinkers and cannot grasp geometry in three dimensions.
2. They are mathematically illiterate. The quickest way to stump one is to ask them to calculate a real number.
3. They have no concept of scale.
The current best theory is that they suffer from Dyscalculia which is a form of Dyslexia affecting Mathematics. When you ask them to produce numbers or explain geometry all you get is a word salad of excuses.
The Equinox Sun angles alone prove the Earth is not Flat. Asking a Flat Earther to explain the Equinox Sun Angles is like asking a Dog to explain algebra.
Or the map is wrong and or perceptive has not been taking into account. There are lots of possibilities, don't be so closed minded. I have watched your Perth sunset video, which is appreciated research, but it alone is not proof either way and some of your others video's miss the mark in regards to being any sort of proof.
As an aside, I have a theory that you can calculate the density of the entire Earth with a string and two lead balls. I bet if I do that and plug my findings into the Newtonian equation I should be able to implicitly determine the gravitational constant. What do you think?
Cheers!
The "possibilities" have been explored, John. The world is round. Move on. Go play with your balls.
dude says "perceptive" instead of "perspective" while arguing that flat earthers aren't dyslexic.......
Or you could just go simpler and ask why you plainly observe the sun move perfectly straight across the sky on equinox while the stars constantly move around us in a circular pattern. After all in their model of how the sun works it should follow the same circular pattern right? Just go simple as you can, if you think they can't understand basic geometry then try common sense and observation. Any object moving in a circular motion can be observed moving in a circular motion, no matter the perspective, which the sun does not do anywhere but the north and south pole, which also proves a globe.
He didn't claim that at all. A man with no eyes is blind but not all blind men lack eyes, if you understand what I mean.
I think the earth is really a triangle and made of lime jello. I have no proof of this so that's why it must be true.
Bash, Everybodys Favorite Canadian Motovlogger I'm with you. Triangle Earth is the true!!
Oh yes it's a triangle total
Could it have whipped cream on it too? I'll support your theory if it can have whipped cream!
Sure that sounds good to me.
I was just wondering if anyone thought this! (yes, I'm aware you're being ironic)
A few thousand years ago, Ancient Greeks correctly figured out the circumference of the Earth using only 2 sticks and shadows. And here we are in 2019 with Flat-Earth cultists still desperate for attention.
I like to believe they're just really hardcore Terry Pratchett fans.
My brother legit claimed he believes in a flat earth and we argued about it for half an hour years ago. To this day I have no idea if he was serious or not.
The Demon Curupira As Sir Pterry fan I find it amusingly tragic
OOOOOoooooGGGGGG!
1k flat earthers saw this
Wait... You mean there are a thousand or more flat earthers? The Earth groans and starts to crack. It ejects us all in disgust!
I miss the Lava Lamp.
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I have a copy of Planet Earth on dvd and I can confirm that it is, in deed, a disc. It spins insanely fast, too
I bet lasers are involved as well!
The fact that (some) people believe in a flat Earth isn't that hard to understand when you keep in mind that we live in a world where we have an epidemic of people chewing on laundry soap pods.
This is a very insightful statement.
LMAO yes exactly. Haha
dont eat the laundry soap pods
and obviously raised by post 60's liberals
Hmmmmm, they just use that as a way to explain their ridiculous theory. These folks are vegans stomping around in their berks and not conservatives praying to god. Check out their gatherings.
New rule: If you believe in flat earth you are no longer allowed to use gps. You have to make your own program called feps. Then you can be just as lost while youre driving as you are in your thinking.
Excellent!
Thomas Godsey
GPS uses trilateration, not triangulation; not that any flat earther cares about science
Well, according to flat earther, there's no outer space. So there should be no satelite 😂 so they should research another way of positioning system.
APS - Antenna Position System
lol that was good
The earth is flat
Said no educated person ever
savage
Lol wake up to your delusions?
PARK please prove that the earth is flat. Instead of saying you should be awaken do not repeat don't say science is just a theory because everything is a theory. There is your challenge
Anyone else tired of hearing "wake up and indoctrinated" from the scientifically challenged? Just because you can't understand something doesn't make it false. I hate to break it to you PARK but you've been taken in by a cult that preys on uneducated and gullible.
Peter exactly. They obviously think the have some intellectual superiority over anyone that disagree with them, they can therefore ignore facts as they have come from the "indoctrinated" one day they'll really wake up and learn to think critically.
I was really surprised when you showed footage of someone using a level to prove that the Earth was flat. It shows a fundamental misunderstanding of how a level works and that air planes have never flown in a flat plain.
I believe the Internet is flat, when I look at my screen it seems flat so it must be.
XD
Clever you!XD
Paul O'Sullivan still better story than twilight
Paul O'Sullivan The internet is for porn.
Fucking genius
If the Earth was round, then how tf do you explain mine-crafts infinite flat world?
#woke
Minecrafts flat worlds do have a limit. And matpat proved that actually its not flat
It's not round because Minecraft can't make spheres. ;)
General S. Patton Two words,
Cartisian plain,
Minecraft is just an ever growing cartisian plain not actually a world
Because in mine crafe universe you can't have curves.
I used to think the earth was flat
but that was an all round bad idea
Eyyyy
Flat earther butthurt 👁👁
But then I took an arrow to the knee. (It's time to revive this dead meme)
ThatGeekyKid
Must have been a curve ball in your life ;)
Never underestimate the power of boredom. The world can be boring. One's life can be boring. Conspiracy theories, ideas that go against the boring status quo of daily life, can be a way to add a bit of thrill to spice up the monotony of daily life.
They're not that sharp and know it deep down. Their maladaptive coping strategy is to overcompensate by latching on to an esoteric minority opinion which allows them to believe they're more perceptive, smarter than most people who cannot see the truth.
Also, the idea that people in power have so much ability to maintain conspiracies is comforting because 1: it means the world isn't so chaotic and unpredictable 2: It gives them a scapegoat to excuse why their life isn't what they wish it were 3: If we could only change the people in power, they would have as much control to make the world as great as we wish it were
michaelemouse1, aye, it makes people feel better to blame someone else for their shortcomings;-)
michaelemouse1
way to make a scientific debate political. That's an eloquently stated and politically verbose opinion. (You take one psychology class and now you know everything.) You attribute the opposing theory to psychosis and dismiss it outright. You sure the curvature you saw wasn't on Pandora? Sure you're not brainwashed? Forget sides and diagnoses. Take a look at the things you consider facts about the earth and verify them. If you don't have time to, don't bother commenting back. You'll be saying the same thing about the psychological state of the other side, but I don't recommend it. Your sense of superiority stems from a massive excess of confidence in your own beliefs on the subject, all given to you by others who never tested a damn thing either... how perpetually sad is that?
aludred, how can both solar and lunar eclipses both occur in the flat earth model? If both bodies have a fixed orbit, from any one point, only one can eclipse the other, yet, it is possible to have stood in one spot and at some point in time have observed both a solar and at another time, a lunar eclipse. How is this possible?
I've lost people in my life whom I thought at one time to be "Friends" due to their inability to convert me into a flat earth, type(?) I'm better off..
I'd take a round the world cruise, or a trip to the opposite side of the world to where you live, sending spiteful postcards all the way: "having a wonderful time. Too bad you can't get here."
Jungle Jay Adventures
that sucks. I have tons of friends who don't believe a word of it. They still genuinely laugh in my face. This is an interesting debate, but true or not it shouldn't affect your relationships with people. I'm a flat head, surrounded by globulists, and just like religion, believe what u want, we're all human, and we're ALL wrong at some point about something. ALL of us.
Just not flat earth.🙃
Yes yes yes. Well done sir. You should be proud of yourself. Many people fall for these fallacies and it can ruin families very easily.
alludred said _" I'm a flat head, surrounded by globulists, and just like religion, believe what u want,"_
Except that spherical earth is NOT a belief. It is a fact backed by legitimate, valid, independently-verifiable, scientifically-accurate, documented, factual evidence. Flat earth is pure conjecture based on tired old and outdated ideas from long ago when men didn't understand much of anything. What they didn't understand they attributed to a god that just happens to conveniently look like an old male mammalian human.
NebTheWeb I don't believe the earth is flat, but how do you explain the California salt fields being 8 miles of a flat plane. According to modern science, the earth's curvature should be detectable, but it's not.
The guy with the spirit level on the plane gave me cancer
Deep down, they know the earth is round.
They just like all the attention.
Antifoul Awl right? that's what I say! I mean you can feel the spin of the earth and see the curve of the earth everyday, how can those stupid flat Earth idiots think it's flat?? I mean we've seen tons of imagies of earth from NASA! I mean sure they're photoshopped and they're not actual photographs but come on it doesn't mean the earth is flat, duh that's so dumb, I mean yeah they faked the moon landing 6 times but still come on the earth is still round duh...
still seeking attention?
Evil Bastard i think he’s a troll. A genuine flat earther likes to use big words and convoluted analogies and then state that because you can’t understand it, the earth is flat. I mean, I’d love to box one over the head with a metal globe, but you only know what they are in person.
@@viktorvasilik5477 lel you can.t feel the earth spinning
No I dont. Nor do millions of others of educated people who have researched the science of helio vs. Geo.
I believe flat-earthers are penguins. When they say they are not, I say: "Don't mock my beliefs". It drives them crazy.
Helge Samuelsen I'm using this. Thanks.
That's perfect.
I'll give you 500 bucks to show curve. That's something you can't do
@@bugsbunny313Rd ok use a rocket
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I have a simple Challenge for the Flat Earters.
I want them to explain me in Detail, a few things.
There's only 1 rule.
The explanation must be consistent with observed reality and not contradict itself.
1) Total Lunar Eclipse (blood moon)
2) Sunset/Sunrise
3) Stars on both Hemisphere
4) Timezones
I'm ready to bet money, that they can't.
Pac0 Master
Lunar eclipse is God placing his hand in front of the sun.
Sunrise/sunset is God moving the sun in front or behind the earth
How about a question for you since you claim to be right and you have the burden of proof that goes with the claim. Where is the curve? Show us this curve shape and we will stop wondering about the shape. Simple as that. Oh and no lens issues please just a real picture.
You have to be very high to observe a curve. You can't see it at ground level. There are plenty of pictures of a curve from the required height, but of course you'll deny they are real. Out of interest and for the sake of argument, IF the curve exists what would it actually take to convince you it exists?
Pac0 Master why would asking about the shape of the surface of the Earth you mentioned things that are in the sky do you not understand the logical differential between the two. If yours is indeed flat than the lights in the sky are irrelevant to the shape of itself if it measures flat than it is flat regardless of what things in the sky do. The two are not bound of a logical necessity. What you are doing is mixing the two worldviews. When talking about the Earth being flat what is really being talked about is the shape of the physical ground itself not what is going on above it there are a lot of assumptions made in the globe model that are not necessary in the Flat Earth model all that really matters in the Flat Earth model is whether it's physical ground is flat if it is shown that the physical ground is flat by measuring the ground itself then what happens in the sky is irrelevant I'm repeating myself because I'm trying to make it clear. A disco ball light setup has no bearing on the Dance Floor the dance floor is flat regardless of what the lights in the ceiling do
1. God.
2. God.
3. God.
4. They're fake.
I'll take that money now, spherist loser! ;)
I hate fat-shaming, BUT I LOVE FLAT-SHAMING!
The "why" question was what did it for me too (that and studying about Eratosthenes). Why would "they" try to fool us into believing in a spherical earth? It just made no sense.
Cuz they wanna be edge lords or because it's unconventional and goes against what we've been taught
Joshua Herbert same with the holocaust deniers lmao. Like I'll hear them out if they're rational but they always start off with some antisemitic statement which already poisons their arguments
Some believe there is no edge, just a endless mass of frozen waste lands.
devilshooter126 M yeah I my college class a former soldier with PTSD said that but when asked what would be the purpose in covering up a flat earth truth he said because it would prove the earth had a creator and everyone's reaction was like what??? Lmao
Spot on mate. A good number of them want to feel "special" in some way and finding "secret knowledge and information that goes against the mainstream reality" certainly does make one special. It's the same with the Mandala Effect people who would rather struggle to fulfill a sense of being special over the idea that their memory may be flawed. I kinda feel bad for them, tbh. I mean, their main reason for wanting to be a part of some world where there's a global conspiracy that makes everyone else sheeple and these people alone the unsung heroes who will save the world, well, that says a lot about how they have issues adjusting and dealing with the reality around them. So from that, I feel for them.
If everywhere you looked, all you saw were crazy situations that made the world look like it had gone mad, wouldn't you want to be a part of something that could hypothetically try to fix it? I just wish they'd do like others who choose more respectable and less ignorant ways of going about this and try to be something more than Internet trolls about it. You know, like dress up with your underoos over your pants and wear a cape and mask and call yourself some weird animal-man title and try to fight crime or something. Anything really. Sheesh.
You re totally right. They get addicted to getting their "Mind Blown" from there conspiracy BS. I have a friend who swears that The Mandela Effect is real, and the Earth is flat. Hes in so deep that he thinks Alex Jones is a liar, at least sometimes. Not because he is just a bullshitter, its to discredit the movement or something, something globalists. Everything is a false flag, everything is a conspiracy. I always ask him "Are there any boring conspiracies?" . The answer is no. Its always some grand, exciting thing that would be so far reaching, it would change everything we know about whatever.
When I was a child, I can remember having trouble with the idea that the sun was actually much larger than Earth and very far away. My young brain thought the sun was just a small ball of light in the sky. The difference between me and the flat earth types is that I eventually outgrew such concrete thinking.
exactly omega, flat earthers see the world with the mind of a child. I too had that same problem as you did when I was about 5 and under
That kind of thinking can be VERY easily tested. Take a regular play ball and bring it close up to someone's face, where the cone of vision would make it seem like the ball is huge, occupying most of the person's field of view. Then just....walk away with the ball....did it get any smaller? xD
if the earth is flat then a Russian would be hanging off it with a selfie stick
Ha! Checkmate!
Flat Earthers....
The longest range commercial aircraft is the Airbus A340-500, capable of flying up to 16,670 km (9,000 nmi) with 293 passengers.
I can buy a non-stop ticket from Santiago, Chile to Melbourne Australia with a flight time of 15 hrs and 10 minutes. (FYI...it flys over Antarctica...so passengers SEE Antartica WITH THEIR OWN EYES
On a globe, the distance from Santiago to Chile is 7,000 miles, and the aircraft cruises at about 500 mph. So a 15 hour flight time makes sense and the range doesn't exceed the range of the aircraft.
However, on a flat earth the distance is a staggering 21,230 km (13,200 nmi). This distance is longer than ANY commercial aircraft can fly AND it would take about 26 hours even if it could.
SO.....why is Quantas selling tickets for direct flights from Santiago to Melbourne?
So simple, so elegant and so right!
Nice one Matt C
Out of curiosity Matt - have you flown on the flight personally?
I think that is the problem that the flat earth community have. That the flights are shown but do not actually exist - I couldn't say either way. With the obvious fake astronaut footage REF iss. The very convincing notion that Apollo missions did not happen (and I speak as a sceptic of FE), it leaves the potential questions as to what else may also be fantasy.
i did years ago, ok, happy now?
Stevelewissaab saab did you just call the live footage from the iss fake. Hahahahaha
Dunning-Kruger effect, that's why.
I've always said, "There is stupid, then there's so stupid you don't know you're stupid." I was unaware there's a term for this lol
There is but it is an effect and not the cause. It is _a_ cause. Another cause is a psychological survival instinct, bred into us through evolution.
We have a constant need to look for potential danger. This is also why more sensational news networks are more popular than the ones that actually bring useful news, like science breakthroughs and news on world trade and such.
What I mean with the constant need to look for potential danger is not that we feel the need to go the edge of a cliff every day and stare over the edge imagining what it feels like to smash on the rocks below. We feel the need to be prepared to defend against or run from danger. So in a world without hungry lions our imagination sometimes takes a run with us and we imagine conspiracies and ghosts and since the body can't distinguish between fact and fantasy(because fear from an actual lion is a thought and fear for ghosts is also just a thought and that is what the body reacts to and nothing else) it is easy to mistake fantasy for fact.
You see this happening with the third wave feminism and black lives matter movement as well.
We have all done this; to come up with an alternative explanation for something and believe it solves everything and that everyone else overlooked this. It is inevitable. Even if it was just for a second before your rationality took over again. Most of us have learned to distinguish between fact and fantasy and critical thinking and fact checking makes sure we are mistaken as little as possible. Some of us are just too stupid to understand the value of that and get caught up in the feeling of confidence of 'knowing' something someone else doesn't, making them feel special and pretty much everyone needs to feel special; to feel like they are making a difference.
We will see this happen with the #metoo, when little snowflakes who feel neglected and unimportant will come up with grandeur fantasies, bigger and better and with more detail than any other and they will have a large impact on the continuation of people's jobs and their credibilities in the future. And because we all want to have an impact, it will turn into a witch hunt unless we can persuade the masses to keep their heads cool.
A third reason is linked to the survival instinct and it maybe the biggest reason. We feel exhilarated when we find out something new that turns our world upside down and that feeling is addictive. A lot of chemicals are released in the brain that make us very happy when that happens, among which , the famous endorphins. This is why conspiracy theories and flat earth theories are so attractive to people. Oh, and aliens of course! And the All Source(new wave godlike thing; spiritual crap ffrom the eighties or something; still hasn't died out yet)! And all the other crap people come up with.
After checking out your smoking ass for a while i came back to reality, i then had to look up dunning kruger.
There is no point to this comment lmol
+Setekh I think you're looking much too deeply into it. A great deal of the flat earthers are simply stupid, uneducated, highly religious people. Their silly book of bronze age superstition says the Earth is flat (in one interpretation of one translation, anyway) and that's all they need.
That and the Sunk Cost Fallacy sound about right
My maintenance man told me everything is a lie . I just concurred with him and he fixed my toilet .
With that logic, he didn't fix your toilet, you actually didn't agree with him and that your need to take a dump is unnecessary.
But is the toilet real? I don't think so.
Proof positive. Or negative. Or something...
Priority. My man.
He was lying.
What's the guy doing in the plane with the level??? Omg he actually doesn't understand gravity.... down and up.... omg do you guys understand his misunderstanding?? It makes me feel so sad, and he made a video, honey
Lauty Bend that's what I was thinking. Like the plain is still parallel to the ground, it's just the ground is a sphere so the level reading would never change ..
True :/
He is trying to prove earth is flat flat
Because
> _muh muh globe earth means the planes must dip every X,Y,Z meters muh muh its basic science you just dont see it here i have a prove_
But the weak point is that the bubble bases on gravity not on its position
You don’t understand gravity either. Go ahead, explain it to us genius. A scientific fact is no one can tell you what gravity is, but you can? Give me a break douche bag.
Harry Spencer gravity is when mass attracts mass see it as a dip in space the closer you get he greater the gravity
Just that its very weak for matter our size, but for earth it causes objects to speed up at 9.something meters per second thats why when you jump you come back thats why there are waves in the sea it isnt just energy coming out of anywhere its he moon having a bit of gravity itself being close enough to have waves in the top of the water
People who try to post “answers” to flat earther question, are simply wasting their time. This is Because, if they Post one of the questions from the Basic FE Indoctrination Checklist, such as “then show me a helicopter taking off, hovering, and waiting for its destination to ‘arrive to it’ “, they ARENT interested in scientific answer. You can post the correct answer (conservation of momentum, energy, inertia, etc etc...) but flat earthers are NOT interested in these answers. They have already decided that these answers are wrong, since they have already decided that it is impossible for a helicopter to do this, since it is never observed. Stop wasting your time feeding the trolls, by trying to “answer” questions posed by flat earthers. The correct answers, are wrong answers, in their view, simply by default. If they accepted the answers as being correct (which they are), then there would NOT BE a flat earth movement/hoax/cult to start with.
Fact is they are no trolls, you are right saying no answer is good for them but i think responding to them in some ways is usefull, they should be laughed at, exposed and marginalised.
Mark Pointer
What we are doing is re-informing the young stupid as to the majority view so they don't get trapped by this crap too!!
The flat earther is not the target of comments.
His/her audience are
And many enjoy a good roast.
i actually learnt a lot from some "answers to flat earth questions" videos. Of course those videos won't convince a single flat earther to question their dogma, but those videos are not really for them anyway.
If the Earth was flat, cats would have knocked everything off of it by now.
Made me laugh.
What a polite way to approach the subject. Thank you.
You can't say it's JUST stupidity that's the problem. If that were the case then surely ypu would feel the same towards the mentally disabled. No. It's IGNORANCE that's the problem. An UNWILLINGNESS to learn.
Stupid people can't help being stupid. But they CAN help being ignorant.
+Lindsey Lewis You can't cure ignorance with insults though.
You shouldn't approach it politely, they still wont take it without a bucket of salt.
The weirdest thing about Flat Earthers is that they are quite happy to say the *other* planets are (mostly) spherical, just not this one, because reasons.
The most entertaining time I have ever had is watching a Flat Earther and an anti-vaxxer argue about who understood science 'better'.
2 blind people trying to lead the sighted. Neither one. That's who.
your words only speak of your ignorance. Have you looked into it? People who believe the earth is flat don't say that planets are spherical, they say that there are no planets. Before vomiting shit, research.
Adrian Cobaschi The One True Flat Faith. 😀 All the other flat earthers are heretics.
easy to mock. prove yourself that you live on a giant spinning rock and you have other people that are upside down underneath you. do your own research before mocking like a headless chicken.
Adrian Cobaschi Nah, sorry mate. It's not our job to fix the schizm in the Church Of Flatness.
People are trying to get attention. Professing a belief in a flat earth is a desperate attempt for attention.
No, posting self righteous comments on youtube is a desperate attempt at getting attention.
You're welcome.
Irony
@@bobohacker5037 Spotted the salty flerfer
Bobo Hacker ‘Yes, let’s post my comment agreeing with the majority here, that’ll get me attention!’
What’d get him more attention, by sharing the same belief as everyone here, essentially being another face in the crowd.
Or posting as a Flat Earther, by disagreeing, more people would notice him.
Now wait a minute, Georg. Around 1:15, you said astrology - you meant astronomy.
Jim Kildow I think ge was being ironic as even astrologer can see the world is a globe.
Actually my horoscope today said, "Leo: Your intelligence will not go unrecognized. Put yourself out there and you will succeed. Unless you're dumb enough to be a flat earther. Everyone knows that shit's round."
I noticed that too. :)
Racist.
Jim Kildow Astrology also proves a globe.
Astrology is based on a globe and a very old "belief".
"Never underestimate the power of ignorance"! And THAT is all you need to take away from this excellent video!
I think its “willfull ignorance” thats so baffeling to people who are “willfully naive”
Life became much simpler once I stopped accepting the delusion known as reality. Now if you'll excuse me, my lizard over-lords are trying to contact me through my phonograph...
You have a PHONOGRAPH?
01:22 Does he actually say Astrology? I'm hoping he meant Astronomy, otherwise is he really basing his proof against a flat Earth on horoscopes?
Interesting video, thanks. Just a few observations of my own:
1. You say that flat-Earthers don't generally believe in other conspiracy theories - I would say that actually the opposite is often true, and that many of them believe in pretty much every conspiracy theory going. You could argue that this is all due to belief in one big, global conspiracy (as you also alluded to), but I think it's fair to say that almost every flat-earther also believes that the moon landings were faked, most believe in chem-trails, most think 9/11 was an inside-job, etc.
2. Many also have much more outlandish claims - that space itself is fake and that there are no satellites orbiting Earth, that earthquakes, hurricanes and other natural disasters are actually deliberately caused by "them" (who? the government? The illuminati? NASA?!?!), or even that the moon itself is fake and being "projected" rather than a celestial body reflecting light from the sun.
3. I've seen some flat-earthers who take this to a ridiculous extreme and seem to think that basically every world event is a conspiracy deliberately engineered by some overseeing force (again, the mysterious "them"), including plane crashes, murders (such as the recent Las Vegas mass-shooting), extreme weather, natural disasters, etc. I'm really not sure as to how people like this can live their day to day life in any kind of meaningful way, as they must be living in a state of constant paranoia.
4. There seems to be a movement against the group known as the "Flat Earth Society" which is now seen as a fake organisation (or "shill") deliberately setup by "them" to make the Flat Earth theory seem ridiculous. One of the main reasons behind this is part of the FES's Flat-Earth model which says that the flat disc is constantly moving upwards and this is what causes us to "stick" to the Earth's surface. I guess some things are too ridiculous, even for Flat Earthers! The commonly accepted model now is that the disc-shaped Earth is circular, motionless, covered by a dome often known as the "firmament" and surrounded by an ice wall which is guarded by a massive armada of ships, which of course no-one has ever actually seen or photographed. That this is all still utterly absurd seems to be lost on Flat Earthers who are the most deluded, stubborn and simple-minded conspiracy theorists out there.
I really like your video look and setup... the light, the cup of tea, the 'chat'...well thought out.
Why did the Flat Earther cross the road?
To disprove the curvature of the Earth, of course.
lol
A good story teller can make you feel like the hero just by hearing the story, this is the root cause of many conspiracy theories
That's really insightful.
@@tomfoolery5680 I completely forgot about this comment. I think I was high when I wrote it
@@autodidacticartisan Well, I was high when I read it. And then high when I remembered I read it.
Old habits die hard....even after 1200 years of debunking.
Well iirc it’s 500 years, starting with a bunch of Masonic conspiracies that are proven, so perhaps they aren’t so stupid for just blindly believing... to dismiss an entire people who believe something as stupid, retarded religious people who are beneath you and need to be murdered kind of exposes your own ignorance.
Lindsey Lewis
It doesn't say anywhere in the Bible that the Earth is flat bud
2500 years actually.
Eratosthenes, c. 200 BC
Why is the Earth so special? In the entire universe, we have not seen even one "disc" world anywhere else.
Why is the earth so special? Did you really just ask that... Wow
Marc Barrett I mean, we have yet to discover another planet that supports life, so that is kinda special.
You've been reading the wrong books.
That's because we have yet to find the giant space turtle who is carrying the four smaller but still giant elephants that are carrying the disc.
Very well said !
it's interesting that people debate them when really they ought to be ignored
The Foucault pendulum was given as proof that the Earth is round. It behaves differently at both of the poles than at the equator. At each pole, a Foucault pendulum changes its swing path all the time acting as if it were not attached to the Earth. As the world revolves beneath it, the pendulum stays in the same direction relative to the path it took in the previous swing. But because the Earth has turned beneath it, the pendulum's path apparently "moves" in a clockwise fashion. This happens all over the world at various time periods, but the fastest it happens is at the North and South poles:it comes back to its original swing position in 24 hours.
There is only one place in which this does not happen: at the equator, where the Earth's axis perpendicular to the pendulum.
Put a record on a turntable as if it were the flat Earth revolving around its center, and you can see at the very center that a Foucault pendulum swing does the same at the center as a pendulum swing at the north pole of a globe: the pendulum stays the same while the Earth turns beneath it. And in 24 hours the pendulum comes back to its original swing position.
But try that at different positions of the world in a flat Earth, and the pendulum swing still rotates, no matter how far you are away from the North Pole. In fact, at the equator of a flat Earth, the pendulum would still swing in a circle whereas on a global Earth, the pendulum swing path is stationary; however you start the pendulum, it will remain in that direction and not rotate. In fact, since the flat Earth must rotate or be still, as it rotates, all points on the flat Earth must rotate in 24 hours, so the Foucault pendulum path anywhere on the flat Earth will be in a circle and complete its circle in 24 hours. You would not have any slowdown anywhere.
And if the flat Earth did NOT turn, you wouldn't have the rotating path of the Foucalt pendulum to begin with, and the pendulum path would not happen.
And for goodness sake, how do you have an entire 24 hours of sun at the poles with no night and 24 hours of darkness at the poles on the solstices with a flat - Earth sun?
Yet another easy to prove commonsense answer to the flat earthers, I enjoyed reading your comment but what I was hoping for watching this video was a broader brush. One that could be more generally applied to cause even the most unreasoning person to stop and consider.
However I don’t want to delude myself and I don’t think any such strategy exists; still not a complete lose I will be interested to see just how they of the unhinged persuasion approach your argument. It was very well presented.
I'm sure I have Foucault's Pendulum swing album but my turntable isn't working.
He actually says, "I think really their belief often comes down to their inability to really accept the world is round" 4:38
Aww , come on , that's just tits !
Or knees .... or a close up of a hand .... or a foot .... or nothing , just pixels .... generated in photoshop .... or a crafty painting .... or something else ....
Truth Sets Us Free
Freedom is an illusion. Every action is contingent on the circumstances we find ourselves in. Every thought is based in only those concepts which have already occurred to us.
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Because of what appear to be accidental events we have an illusion of freedom.
Well, the world is in like a disc. It's being held up by four elephants standing on the back of a giant turtle swimming through space. :D I know it's true, I built a ship that went off the edge and saw the turtle! Or... read that somewhere. :P
Hmm, sounds like a colourful tale -- you might say, a Magically Coloured tale. : )
Turtles all the way down, baby!
Sounds like a Stephen King novel. Cosmic Turtles and Dead lights. Lol
How dare you disparage my man Atlas. He's been carrying this world on his back for millenia and you give credit to some elephants? Absolutely shameful.
@@heroino89 lol
On a flat earth, with no gravity, what happens when you jump?
Without gravity your body accelerates away from the ground. What causes you to stop accelerating and not continue on into space?
Flat Earthers would claim that this is due to density. You are more dense, therefore you fall down because the air around you can't support your weight.
Of course, the problem with this is that gravity is a vector whereas density is a scalar (so there's no reason why you should fall DOWN as opposed to falling in any other direction), but if you use big high-school-math-sounding words like that, their eyes glaze over and they claim you've been programmed and brainwashed by the They.
@@wolfieinu You can really confuse them by reminding them that the air above them is less dense than the ground below them, so by their 'logic' we should all be floating away into the air - unless something is pulling us down. Their stupidity is such that they don't see that the thing they try to use to deny gravity wouldn't work if it wasn't for gravity. Fuckin dumbasses.
If the earth is flat what is on the other side?
I guess lots of people that belives Earth is flat with a little punch of idiot guys that claims earth is spherical.
Buttery, flakey goodness.
Idk, dirt?
The upside down?
a Demogorgon
Dude you said astrology is evidence of the shape of the earth. I sure you meant astronomy.
Very probably he did, but even the amount of astronomy needed to do astrology is evidence (at least) for the Keplerian model of the solar system...
he meant to say the Bible is proof
Realistically Astrology and its ability to function would also be reliant on a spherical earth, as the transition and movements used in it are inherently based on a spherical model of the planet... so even if it wasn’t a pseudoscience at the very best, it would still be definitive proof of a round earth
warren WTF conspiracy theorists are the biggest sheep of them all.
plot twist, astrology works only on geocentric model
I always assumed this is 95% trolls and 5% fools
Nope, it's 95% fools, 10 % trolls, and the rest are just people who can't add...
I would like everyone reading this comment to take note of that green lamp. Literally decades ago I started to notice that lamp in SO MANY movies, TV shows, commercials....EVERYWHERE! All the time. Seriously. Take note. Start looking for it and you will see it nearly daily. It is not like hearing a new word then all of a sudden hearing that word all the time. That stinking green lamp is everywhere in video. I wonder if it simply shows up well on screen so producers use it. Like why streets are always wet at night in movies...but make no mistake about it, that freaking lamp is everywhere. I also used to own one.
Oh, yeah, great video, by the way
Flat Earth can be easily debunked by a Lunar Eclipse, which is impossible on a Flat Earth Model because the Earth has to be BETWEEN the sun and the moon for a Lunar Eclipse to work, therefore we can conclude due to the existence of Lunar Eclipses that the Earth is a sphere. Thank you all for your attention, class dismissed.
It's obviously not easily debunked because it's taking off like a wild fire at the moment. A whole 20 minutes was devoted to the topic on BBC Radio 5 Live, not saying it was great PR for flat earth, but more and more people are realising there's another explanation for all of this, including eclipses, which also fail to work adequately in the heliocentric model too.
Lol, the flat earth explaining eclipses!!! hahaha.. the sunset alone debunks it, let alone the 2 celestial poles, eclipses... the flat earth is a failure.
Failure? It's just getting warmed up.
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Joe Vete Although you will probably never look into, you should actually research flat earth. Funny how during a solar eclipse the umbra is only 70 miles wide, while the moon is over 2000 miles wide, fancy that. Explain how this phenomenon only works during solar eclipse though, yet whenever a lunar eclipse happens, the moon is always eclipsed entirely, the umbra is always larger than the moon. Don't get me started how the same number of recorded solar/lunar eclipses happen each year, even though the earth is almost 4 times larger than the earth.
yeah okay 'the puzzler' got that one already, telling anyone they are a retarded is a horrible way to start a debate and only creates Cognitive Dissidents. You should know what that means, really everyone should know what that means but sadly...
The comments are dark and full of terrors
what do you mean? i mean, that's an interesting comment - but so dark, and full of an undescript "terror"
Don't worry. The sun will come up over the edge of the disk soon.
I've been researching this whole FE vs GE fiasco for about a year now, since I first heard of it, trying to take in as much from both sides of the argument as I could. I've listened to both sides of the argument over and over again, because I do believe nothing should be free from analysis or discussion, even greatly established models such as the Globe Earth model. Here are some of the conclusions I've come to.
Time and time again, it's just strengthened my belief in what I already knew. FE videos don't present much hard evidence beyond what we observe from our physical perspective, which from a Scientific stand point is not an accurate frame of reference when dealing with objects of such size, nor can our senses be trusted very accurately and thus should not be trusted. Most if not all of the videos posted in support of the FE claims, are from average individuals, never scientists or specialists in any relevant field related to the positions they're arguing. For the most part from what I've gathered, they almost always think/believe that they are experts on these topics, because they read a few articles online or watched a video on RUclips, when in reality it appears more to me like they only understood parts of the information they were gathering and/or cherry picked the information that supported their claims.
I've seen all claims made by the FE community easily debunked time and time again, most often times from real scientists with real experience and knowledge on the subjects they are speaking on. Most importantly, the more I've examined this, the more I've learned new info on how the earth actually works as a Globe and so far every bit of evidence not only works but works together in unison. Which is important because often I'll find a video from the FE side of this argument that almost sounds accurate and slightly persuasive, but then find after the fact that it then contradicts another claim. So some FE claims can be explained but I have yet to find one that works in unison with all claims made and makes sense together as a whole.
So to conclude, yes, the earth is round, gravity is real, until there is solid evidence to make me think otherwise (but at this point it's pretty much impossible), this will remain as true. Furthermore, I do agree with the assertion that the FE model is attractive to those mostly in need of something to help them feel relevant or superior, I do believe it's mostly psychological...though at times it even came close to swaying me or at least me entertaining the idea, so it's scary to see just how attractive disinformation can be when presented well enough. The curse of the information age I suppose is that disinformation is just easy if not easier to spread and unless you've studied these topics directly, it can be easy to get lost in it, especially if it begins to make up a part of your identity.
Do you also research Nazi ideology just in case it turns out to be the best? Lol. Some things just aren't worth your time.
@@keithklassen5320 To know the enemy, sure. I’ve studied the history of Nazi Germany, it’s taught me to take current events more seriously and to recognize the similarities, lest we allow tyranny like that to happen again…the Proud Boys for example are scarily close to the Nazi Brown shirts, and the Capital insurrection is pretty damn accurate to the Beer Hall Putsch Coup, that launched Hitler to fame and notoriety amongst the German right wing. Knowing your enemy is how you defeat it…so ya, I do spend my time learning about things I disagree with. I’ve always felt a part of true intelligence is when you can entertain a concept or ideology, without necessarily agreeing with it…helps you learn more about why you disagreed with it in the first place.
Learning is never a waste of time, even through studying things I strongly disagree with, I find I can often still learn something of value. I’ve continued over the last 3 years researching this FE topic and it’s taught me a lot about Earth science and the physics that governs reality. I thought I was already pretty knowledgeable on that, but now I’d feel comfortable teaching a general physics 101 class, I’ve learned that much more.
So Cunningham’s law held up; “best way to learn something online is not to ask a question, it’s to provide the wrong answer”, people are more inclined to correct wrong answers. The FE movement has kind of back fired on them in that way, because it’s been a catalyst for many of us to take more interest and learn some actual science. I’m more of a Globe Earther now than I ever was and I’m exploring things like engineering currently, thanks to my time spent debunking this mess.
"Why would they hide that the Earth is a globe?"
"To control our money"
"How much money do you have?"
".........."
Particulalry to control the money of all those globe makers and sellers ! Nasy people ! Na !
Allan Folmersen, NASA spends $53 million dollars a day. That’s a lot of money. Just sayin’.
@@joeltunnah $53 million a day is lot to an individual , not to the richest country (0.48% of all governmental spending) and certainly not to the world.
How on a flat earth can you explain away that anyone that observes the tidally locked moon that is always facing you on on point of the earth is also facing another person on the opposite side of the earth? If the moon is so close the angles wouldn't work out, you would at times see the moon from the side.
On the flat earth, the moon is not tidally locked to anything. It is self-illuminating, produces its own phases, and it is textured as willed by its CREATOR, so as to be differentiated from the sun, which is exactly the same size as the moon.
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The moon moves over the entire surface of the earth in a circular path over a period of 360 days. There is no front/back or side view of the moon. It is simply a luminary celestial body placed within the atmosphere by its creator for the telling of times and season. However, the government-sponsored /atheist biased textbooks vehemently disagree, as well as most of the globe earth followers.
ok this is it. this is the most stupid proFE argument I have ever read. I must go now, or I will punch the monitor. Some of the arguments for FE are at least challanging to disprove or it is fun to learn how things really work (for example the artificial horizont in the airplane) that one wouldn't really think about in day to day life. This comment on the other hand, is just flat-out (pun intended) stupid troll nonsense.
Okay then why is the texture of the moon the same no matter what angle, even the steepest angles on opposite ends of the earth the same for every single person observing it. You know I don't think I trust you, I think there is some kind of conspiracy by a small group of people susceptible to conspiracy and cognitive dissonance, I wonder who is sponsoring you, which enemy of the state could it be, perhaps they are tied to Satan or the Vatican or whatever you see how ridiculous you sound, when the same logic is turned back on you?
Before I was 10 years old I had travelled around the entire globe on a ship. In the southern hemisphere one can see a plethora of constellations which are invisible from the north (ie from Europe). Add to that the fact that the Moon appears upside down makes for compelling evidence of a spheroid planet Earth. Any idea of the Earth being flat is utterly ludricous.
so you saying if i take a pic of the moon from arctic circle and then from the antarctic circle that the moon would look up-side down? i think it stays the same.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tidal_locking
we all see the same moon no matter where your at.
@@rudy103069 okay Joe dirt
@@rudy103069 You think wrong
I was recently accosted by a FE. After listening to 5 minutes of his diatribe, I flattened his arguments with one question.
"If Earth is flat, how is the gravity constant over the entire surface?"
There is your mistake: you engaged.
“Why do people think the earth is flat?”I think a better and more pertinent question would be why do people stop believing the globe.🤷 That is effectively what is happening. It's not like we are some strange race of people living in an echo chamber completely cut off from civilization. We all had the same primary school and secondary school education as you did, by law. It's illegal not to.
People stop believing the globe because we realise that the maths ain't mathing as they say. Too much does not add up for it to hold up. The irony is that the average globe denier knows and understands your model better than those that die on a hill defending it . True story!
Fun fact, there are far more globe deniers than you realise. It's just that many choose not to talk about it for various reasons. Many celebrities can be found mentioning this in interviews, most pilots if you ask them, will tell you, if you go to the front of the cockpit and ask them, that earth is not spherical and they are in fact flying straight, not dipping the plane over a curving ball but rather flying across a stationary plane. The clue is in the name…..”aero…plane”🤷 in fact even the air hostesses that hand out your peanuts and libations or beverages will tell you the same if you ask them. Sometimes you can even overhear them talking about it amongst themselves in many airport lounges saying comments like how they can't believe people think they live on a globe. However most people simply go along to get along, go with the flow and won't talk about it with people that still believe what they learned about the globe when they were 5.
The heliocentric model that you believe not only lacks the empirical evidence you are convinced it has, those who brought the model to you in the first place and propagandised it such as Einstein, Hubble and Hawking to name but a few, all went on record saying “that there is no terrestrial experiment that can prove the earth is moving but we choose to believe it is and the heliocentric model under philosophical grounds as the thought of occupying a unique place in the universe is frightening” which is code for saying if our world was created and not a cosmic accident we would all have a lot of explaining to do and be screwed on the day of judgement by the God that made it.
Refusal to accept the ether is why your heliocentric model is in the state it is and why that perceived paradigm is mostly made up of dark energy and dark matter which is code for what can't be explained when using your model. Your globe and heliocentric model and relativity theory is debunked by dark matter. If only you could get the ether to work in your model….then you wouldn't have the dark matter problem🤷. You wouldn't have the dark energy problem and you wouldn't be devolving and going backwards intellectually. Ironically the ancients who did not believe in your model were for more advanced as was their technology. Those people made the pyramids, the Great Wall of China and other structures we still marvel at today and none of them believed we were shooting through space at thousands of miles an hour. They used stars to navigate and build structures that perfectly lined up with constellations such as the pyramids which sat directly beneath Polaris because the fixed stars remain in the same place night after night, contrary to what your model teaches. Even the Georgia stones showed that before it was destroyed and stonehenge in the UK if I'm not mistaken.
Einstein went on record stating Nikolas Tesla was the genius and he should be the one being asked what does it feel like to be the smartest man in the world when he was asked by a reporter that question. Where Einstein threw out the ether Tesla acknowledged it, his electro Propulsion technology was powered by it and he didn't believe the mainstream paradigm of Einstein’s relativity either. Tesla discounted Einstein's gravity Theory and utilised the real phenomenon that is electrostatics a force significantly more powerful than gravity was ever purported to be.Just maybe Tesla was onto something.🤷
But to answer your question more succinctly, everything that causes your belief system to stand relies on NASA and other space agencies proving space as they've describe it and proving that they landed on the moon and photographed the globe back in the 60s and 70s. All that falls apart once you find enough evidence of them faking space, faking the moon landings and having no acceptable excuse for why they can't go beyond low earth orbit in 2024 when they claimed to have done just that in the 60s. So we as in globe deniers are supposed to believe that India’s space agency which is newer than NASA, was able to land a lunar on the moon last year when NASA who should be more technologically advanced, has stated that they can't because they lost all the data from the 60s and all the people who worked on the Apollo missions that kept the information in their heads back then, who for some reason didn't keep journals weren't around anymore for them to continue from where they left off and make more trips to the moon? Then why don't they ask India to show them how they did it?😆 As to why many of us don't believe in NASA and other space agencies attempts to prove space as they describe it. NASA has the most advanced special effects and even their spacewalks and ISS footage show cgi/green screen glitches and other anomalies consistent with layered footage. No one even talks about India's alleged moon landing. No one’s talking about it. Most of the world probably doesn't even believe it. Their special effects are even less convincing than NASAs, bless' em.
But in your defence, I get it. You see flat earth as stupid because you've been shown a stupid version of flat earth. I'm giving you the benefit of doubt here. Google and RUclips censor and suppress flat earth content creators so most people when they try to look into flat earth and why people abandoned the globe only see the psyop, the government/establishment’s disinformation sites such as the flat earth society designed to curtail and lead people away from truth. You know the same one President Obama and every other President has plugged in their speeches so people can go there and make fun of what they believe flat earthers think.
If you truly want to see why people choose to stop believing in the globe I could be sassy and ask you why do people stop believing Santa Claus but I'll be nice and simply recommend checking out the flat earth sun, moon and zodiac app from the iPhone App Store or the Android App Store, that app will show you the videos flat earthers or globe deniers watch that RUclips's algorithm suppresses and hides from everyone else trying to search the topic the default way, by the RUclips app/website or computer search engines. When you use that app it bypasses their algorithm like a cheat code or a loophole if you will, so it will suggest real flat earth content creators videos the way RUclips used to before 2015 as opposed to you typing flat earth on google or RUclips and getting disinformation content or just random people making fun of what they think flat earthers think, talk about and write about.🙇♂️ Sorry, best bow emoji I could find. I suppose I could do a Neil Degrass Tyson and do his famous mic drop 🎤 ,seems appropriate.😉
Because their brain is flat
Just some comment channel uiiii
Whomp whomp whooomp. Say something about how u kno the 🌎 is round. If you don't have proof, go find it THEN call flat Earthers brains flat.
Just some comment channel oh yea....u cant.
I can.
You are on the internet. What did you use to get on the internet ? A satelite. And said satelite is going AROUD the earth
Another thing. If you hop in an aeroplane, you see the curvature.
I have friends who are flat earthers and I am not in the habit of insulting them. Nor am I in the habit of contrarianism on the subject. I understand why they question the globe is because they lack the scientific foundations that should be taught at school.
It comes down to education for some, not ignorance, in my opinion and the fanatics are egomaniacs trying to take advantage of that lack of understanding. Those flat earth pushers are also more than likely to be in trouble with the government in some way like tax evasion which motivates their conspiracy connection.
Great video anyway and I think you hit the mark.
I usually don't insult people either, no matter how stupid I think their beliefs are. The problem is when they are arrogant in their ignorance. Then I just tell them the truth: they are retarded. I tell them exactly why they are wrong though, hoping there is still reason inside their thick skulls.
Think about it. If the earth was flat how would Hitler and the dinosaurs be living inside it with our Lizard Overlords?
Get a load of this guy with his "dinosaur" talk! The devil duried those bones after creating (insert ethnic group here). Lizard people live on the moon. Idiot.
My father always said “You never realize how smart you are until you realize just how damn dumb everyone else is” flat earthers making me feel like Einstein right now lol
You married your cousin?
@@playbackproductions1 the Egyptians can't have all the fun
One thing I have never heard Flat Earthers explain is how sunsets work. If the earth is flat, then the sun would be up at the same time all over the world all day every day. What explains that? It contradicts the fundamental properties of light that earth should be flat and yet there is nighttime for some part of the world and daytime for another. It just is a fundamental contradiction. The problem with flat earth theory is its idea is predicated on a bunch of facts about the earth being spheroid being wrong. But even if one, non-contradictable fact proves the earth is round, then the rest of the ideas fall apart. That is why I don't ascribe to the theory. The theory has fundamental contradictions with reality.
Tristin Solorzano Did you just contradict yourself? Or did you instead incorrectly use the word contradiction?
Sunset would never happen on a flat earth. The sun would never get to the horizon, let alone set beneath it. Not to mention the fact the sun never changes size during throughout the day.
Clash Of Crap You couldn't be more wrong if you tried. A local sun would never rise nor set because it would never get to the horizon. A local sun would also change size while it gets closer or further away. You also would not be able to see it set more than once simply by increasing your elevation. Stop watching flat earth RUclips videos.
It's 2017 and we're still on this subject, I'm so disappointed for the human race!!!
ME too. To have believe in a magic spinning ball for 500 years, based on the flimsiest of ridiculous claims is amazing. People can be programmed to believe literally anything ... Oh yes, how about 1.5k years of believing in a man that can walk on water and return from the dead. Evidence for this? A book. If you believe it, you're considered a normal human being, if you think water can't bend around a ball and stick there, you're considered dumber than a rock (as I've been told several times).
Barry Sheen again, there is physical proof that the earth is flat unlike the bible.
Barry, I have a question. If the sun and moon both rotate above the earth on a fixed orbit, how can we have both lunar and solar eclipses? If one is closer to me, I should only be able to see that object eclipsing the other, but that isn't the case. Please explain how the flat earth model debunks this.
Firstly, if we were on a flat plane and the luminaries were rotating in a "firmament", then anything is possible. It's like walking onto a dance floor and looking up at the strobe lights and disco balls - they could do any pattern or sequence, but it wouldn't change the fact you were still standing on a completely flat surface. So many globe believers think that this debate will be won by looking up - no. But, let's take into consideration a solar eclipse, which was all over the news in America last year. If an object were moving in front of the Sun and then moving away, you WOULD and SHOULD be able to see this object approaching the Sun and then moving past the Sun, off on its trajectory. If we cannot see the object approaching, then covering up the Sun, and then moving away - WHICH WE DON'T - then there is a bit of a problem claiming that the Moon has crossed in front of the Sun, from our perspective. Next fatal flaw with solar eclipse is that we were told, and can observe, that the Moon's shadow across America was only 70 miles wide. Yet the diameter of the Moon is 2.2k miles. No experiment I've seen which involves a light source creating a shadow, is able to produce a shadow that is 12th the size of the object it is illuminating. The idea the the Sun focuses its rays into a cone shape, specifically for the eclipse if kind of funny. Loads of other problems with eclipses Andrew. But like I say, you cannot prove or disprove conclusively either the heliocentric or geocentric model simply by looking up. Even Einstein agreed, apparently.
Yes if you believe the earth is flat you ARE dumber than a rock.
Because they can't accept the fact that we're insignificant specks living meaningless lives in an infinite universe that doesn't give a shit about us.
That and they want to feel special.
I, for one, accept my insignificance.
"infinite universe"
*triggered*
AnomalousRift .. ur not insignificant, unsure maybe, but not insignificant. Even bacteria has a purpose. I'm sure u feel more important than bacteria. U may never know what ur purpose is, but while ur here, u either did it, doing it or will do it in the future. Nothing is ever a waste.
Corey Dowd
On the scale on the universe we are insignificant
You kinda proved my point there, mate. There is no objective purpose to life, we haven't found one yet at least. It's all subjective and that's it. We try to give it meaning as to feel special, so that we don't seem insignificant; but within the context of the universe, we are nothing but walking stardust.
Also, low IQ? Ouch, I guess?
Look, clearly we can't come to an agreement. You continue to believe you're significant and I'll continue believe that I'm insignificant, does that sound alright to you? I mean, I suppose you did say everything is subjective so let's leave it at that.
Why wont any flat earther answer my 5 questions? 1. How is it that the earth makes a spherical shadow on the moon on a lunar eclipse?
2. How is it that you cannot see Mt Everest from a telescope from anywhere on earth?
3. How is it that we cannot see Japan or even Hawaii form any telescope from California?
4. How is it that some places are light/dark for 24+ hours to months?
5. How is it that the sun sets below the horizon every night?
WinstonIV, I’ve done long range rifle shooting. In no way whatsoever is the curvature or spin of the earth calculated before pulling the trigger. It’s outright falsehood for you to suggest otherwise.
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Jay Dee Johnson, LOL!!! No shooter ever has gotten his compass and calculator out and compensated for some alleged “coriolis effect”. It’s complete nonsense, and an article and video by two hillbillies with no scientific evidence whatsoever in them prove nothing.
@@joeltunnah still an effect one takes into account shooting over long distances
@@joeltunnah
Hillbillies? Please. You've been proven wrong
1 reason! ads revenue its monetize trolling just look at the amount of view on their video. Nobody believe that but it doesn't matter because it bring exposure and exposure bring revenue.
Because they lack critical thinking skill and a basic understanding of mechanics.
How can the force called "gravity" be able to hold down trillions of tons of water in the ocean but is not strong enough to squish a butterfly?
Mark Nutt because water does not resist the gravity in any way. The butterfly flaps its wings to resist the gravitational force. Also a water particle has a lot less mass then a butterfly
Physics, not mechanics.
Mark Nutt the example your looking for is scaling the densities of water vs a butterfly, then you stack how many butterflies are needed to match that. 12 million pounds of water, if butterflies are .5 as dense you can say why don't 24 million butterflies collapse under their weight. They would. Also, how does one collapse water? And obviously the lower the butterflies are the more the weight and the higher the pressure, kinda like, I don't know, the ocean. Gases and liquids exist in a detached form as well, your question is inherently incomparable.
You must be very smart
Whats frustrating are people who have internalized the argument posing it as objective. These people are unqualified to argue physics. I decided that the individual I was arguing with was using this as a giant conspiracy to explain his frustrating life of what he perceives as oppression. When he asked me what I believe, I said I do not believe anything unless I can understand it. Rather we have faith in science just as much as people have faith in religion, for faith is believing something you don't understand or can teach yourself. SO my point was, there is not point in arguing belief while trying to persuade me to watch and read his confirmation bias material, He was stumped and said that he made a mistake asking me what I believe. And wanted to correct himself that he does not BELIEVE the Earth is Flat, but rather that he KNOWS it is based on a bunch of conspiracy shit he read from other sources about history suppression. What do you say to an angy man who thinks he KNOWS the Earth is flat but is not even close to understanding a shred of physics? You don't. I concluded that it was more about his mental illness he needs to face within himself that wants to convince the world that his suffering is due to a white man 'cabal' conspiracy. Delusions of grandur. This whole phenominon is pointing to the flaw in the human psyche that looks for a scapegoat for their life's problems. It is this emotional weakness that is exploited politically and religiously on the masses to control their behavior and perceptions of reality.
why would nasa, spaceX etc. waste millions of dollars in making us think the earth is round. in that case Elon Musk would be the poorest man on earth instead of the richest
If the sun were just floating above a flat earth, shouldn't you be able to see it from anywhere on the earth at any time?
Yes, of course. They do a lot to avoid this simple fact, however.
I'm not a flat-earther but I do know the answer they give for this... and it's next-level crazy so get seated my duder.
The Sun not being a sphere in space isn't an omni-directional light source, its focused, like a flashlight. Hell, get a flashlight, turn it on, and draw a circle around the UN map and you have a prototypical model of modern flat-earth. Why isn't the giant ball of burning gas omni-directional? I don't know... The video I watched didn't cover it :(
Got yah on this one. The sun is not a flash light. if it is night time here and on the other side is day on your flat earth then how can I see the light from other planets in our solar system and see the light on the moon?
Dude I don't have a god damn clue what the answer to your question is. May I refer you to my initial disclaimer "I'm not a flat-earther but I do know the answer they give [to the answer I was replying to]".
chad deans so far as I’m aware (and as the video points out, they’re not consistent in their beliefs) the moon shines on its own the same way the sun does, just dimmer. The same goes for other planets and stars. Though I’m not sure they make a distinction between the two, some might even claim that they’re not real, merely holes in some spinning black tapestry above us.
I think this guy has hit the nail right on the head. I believe flat earthers problem is very similar to someone in denial. "There are none so blind as those who REFUSE to see". If you have ever witnessed an individual in this mindset. They really do not perceive evidence what is blatantly obvious to a neutral observer. My sister was a huge drug addict and would take advantage of anyone unwary enough to give her an opportunity. I remember her at times sitting around the table with my parents and myself. She would be so completely wasted she was unable to hide it effectively. But my parents, who in their minds at least, felt they were ever vigilant for signs of drug abuse, but in reality could NOT see that she was high. It was very strange to witness this. It was previously inconceivable to me that this could actually happen. I thought your personal observations were all the proof anyone needs. But now I know that perception is more than just simple observation and can be affected dramatically by our current mindset. Our unconscious mind affects much much much much more than ever previously thought. That is what actually creates an optical illusion. Our unconscious mind trying to make sense of an image that makes no sense in the best way it can. But that is only visual stimuli, perception involves your entire body. I could go on indefinitely so I'll stop now and hope I have actually made some sense to someone; anyone.
Debtoralive My mistake was to click read more....
JK!
That was really interesting.. How did the parents not see it? was it denial fueling their mindsets? Did they eventually see the facts? I know an opiate addiction is hard to hide, she must have constantly been asking to borrow money. That's how I was in addition to taking advantage of anyone..
+Debtoralive. Yes.... THANKYOU!
Ha, sorry, but so few people get what you've described.
It's so hard to convince people their perceptions can't always be trusted.
Take a photo of any person with a neutral facial expression and ask people to look at the photo and say what they think he/she is feeling. You'll get all the answers in the book: sad, lonely, angry, happy, confused, irritated, amused.
Tell another group that that person did horrible, horrible things and is a monstrous criminal. Most people will swear they can see the evil in that persons face and that they would never have trusted that person. They would describe the facial expression as "creepy" or "eerie".
yes the entire universe is just a big set of novelty plates. actually now i want that.
Find it somewhere on eBay
Hubble Hummels.
Not just idiots but idiots who publicly display that they are idiots!
Wow! Can I have the one with little ducks on it?
realize this is an old video, but i appreciate your approach to this modern conundrum. Your ability to peak into the perspective of someone who believes the earth is flat and give it justification without belittling it, but also being firm in discrediting the validity of the claim shows curiosity coupled a level of respect that is admirable amongst today's more common and insular discourse.
Cheers, mate. Well done.
Flat Eathers believe the Earth is flat mainly because they can't get their head around the fact that a sphere can be large enough to appear flat at a specific perspective.
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Joe P. Big words don't prove your precious globe . Earth is flat. They lied get over it
Drewthless No word he used was bigger than “precious”, troll.
Thomas Binney What's with the name calling? You seem perturbed that the earth is flat and you were lied to and brainwashed by your trusted government school and television. Don't shoot the messenger.
What name calling? I genuinely believe you live under a bridge and try and eat people who won't pay a toll to cross it, and no amount of your so called "evidence" is going to change my mind. You're probably a government troll, on the payroll of NASA.
I love these "proving Flat-Earthers wrong" videos but I hate the recommendations because they are full of flat earth videos.
tHERE JUST ISN;T ENOUGH PUSHBACK FROM PEOPLE WITH EXPERIENCE AND DEGREES IT MOSTLY ARMCHAIR WANABE pHd'S
"However, you can never underestimate the power of ignorance. Or contrarianism."
*Why do people believe the earth is flat?* Because we all had that 'weird' kid in class. What we didn't realize then is there are a lot of classrooms in the world and each of them has that 'weird' kid. Enter the internet.... We can see how it's all played out from there.
Sorry dear but the present FE cult in the “west” is basically a Christian cult, plus the usual loony hangers on, based on the biblical claims of the Brit, Sam. “Parallax" Rowbotham made in the mid 19th.C. He is the one who dreamt up the ice wall etc. All of the stuff the FE cultists accept as factual is part of Christianity as written in his "Earth Not a Globe". OK. Then -
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Carpenter_(flat_Earth_theorist)
This was followed up by the publication of “Zetetic Cosmogeny" in 1899 by Thomas “Rectangle” Winship, and so on up to today.
Similarly with Islam.
And there is a common thread of biblical literalism which comprises but is not limited to the FE, ID, Creationist and YEC cults.
Fleet Man
No, the weird kid most often became a rich nerd with a PhD. The FE's are the class clowns that did nothing with
their life after their famous young jock phase and are trying to recoup lost HS glory.
@@kirkhamandy
Pigeons playing chess
@@rstevewarmorycom "No, the weird kid most often became a rich nerd with a PhD. The FE's are the class clowns that did nothing with
their life after their famous young jock phase and are trying to recoup lost HS glory." PERFECTLY stated!
@@theultimatereductionist7592 That also explains why they're always bullies about it who think that their personal incredulity (i.e. appeals to their own charisma) and insulting their enemies will convince people of their ideas. Sadly, they are right.