Not sure about the decice itself, but we have a few fighters and football players actually using flywheels for their neck training. It is possible, with really no danger, as long as you aren't a complete idiot :D
I'm surprised with some of the negative reviews. I was so impressed with the ruclips.net/user/postUgkxMwYg0MOXR4M-oGeyBsNSYe1aPOUoRH6D cage that I got the lat pulldown attachment that goes with it. It is equally outstanding. I don't have one complaint other than putting it together is a job. The instructions and packaging of the parts are very well designed and organized. Also, I stripped and damaged the pull down cable the first day, admitting it was my stupid fault, and they quickly replaced it at no charge. I'm 6'5, 280lbs and fit in the cage just fine. Glenn B
Lucky you. Mine was disabled, so I got to the site , but then I clicked the K-box4 Pro, Advanced package.. After a complete restore, I'm finally back online.
Yes, most people would rather get a functional trainer but, 1. This is a different workout. Some people want this. 2. This takes up less space. Some people just don’t have room for a functional trainer. 3. This makes less noise. That can be an issue especially if you live in an apartment of have a baby. 4. This is portable. You can’t pack your functional trainer in your trunk if you have to move a lot.
@@neilpollack3514 ya but the price makes it a bit impractical. You could get so many other small things instead. Like adjustable dumbbells, a weight vest, a ab roller and a bunch of other small stuff. Also a functional trainer is silent unless your slamming the weight stacks.
@@GarageGymReviews couldn’t you just modify the flywheel of a Concept 2 machine? I can see the Ski Erg at half the price being modified to do everything this does plus you get the electronic readout.
While I agree it might be hard to do traditional progressive overload, generally strength and conditioning is trending towards velocity based training for the specific reason that it takes out subjective input of auto regulation and allows athletes to truly auto regulate. I think for most people this would actually be better for training because it eliminates the ego and also notice misunderstanding of exertion and allows the athletes to put in the work they’re capable of on that day. Progressive overload is a great scientific principal but only works perfectly in a controlled environment with no external variables adding any of millions of external stressors in daily life that could impact training on a given day.
Coop you should have shown it with a rotational woodchop kind of movement- the flywheel really shines with that transverse plane stuff. For my kbox I can do those movements too - just put a couple kettlebells on the box and stand aside and chop away. Their attachment called the rotational sling is handy too for those movements to focus more on trunk and legs. As a whole the flywheel stuff is a nice supplement/finisher. The harness flywheel squats are so brutal you end up talking yourself out of doing them like the way that little voice in your head can talk yourself out of using the fanbikes/airdyne/echo.
I really don't understand the price, its not made of particularly expensive materials and I really dont see the market for it at that price. Its just asking for someone to bring out a budget version
Cheaper versions already exist. I think this is the concept of Apple. Apple introduced beauty on computers. Exxentric is doing the same for inertial training.
@@jandukanocraft Inertial training has actually been around for some time. If you're looking for a cheap knock off there are plenty of places too look. You get what you pay for, my American friend.
More important than the product, Coop, you're looking in great shape! Kudos. Fleewheel training thankfully isn't my thing, because all of the products in this area are ridiculously expensive. These are a great addition to a commercial gym or someone that has a studio/training space to take PT/S+C clients.
As someone with very little space, this could actually work really well for me. Right now I only have room for a bench and a set of adjustable dumbbells. I could probably clear out a little space on a wall to mount this, though having the room to move with the straps might be an issue. This is pretty comparable to a cable/weight setup but has the advantage of being much quieter (no weight dropping) which is a major plus living in a wood framed apartment. Not being able to measure progress and the awkward feeling of the resistance (compared to a traditional cable/weight setup) would be annoying, but with no alternatives I could get over it. The price is a little harder to accept though. If it was $1000-1200 then maybe I could justify it.
Cool, sure, but not for $2,185 ---- that's absolutely insane, and coming from me that has purchased a lot of expensive home gym equipment is saying something.
@@Wabajak13 Yep. However, Sweden is a nation that actually pays its people a living wage. The quality is uncompromising. This seems to be something that Americans always beg for but when it actually comes the only thing the same consumers are able to come up with is "too expensive, wait for the Chinese knockoffs".
For certain sports I think it's worth it, but yea home gym i’ll pass. Overloading the negative is great for strength. But for regular fitness/ hypertrophy training it's pretty niche to justify the price tag.
@@benjihartman1510 SAY IT AGAIN FOR THE PEOPLE IN THE BACK! Can't agree more. We Americans have no concept for what a quality product costs. Meanwhile, the jerks over at Tonal are charging $5000 the first year for a plastic-y creaking piece of equipment then locking you into a subscription for the features. Prepare for a future where all we get is cheap hardware and overpriced features on a subscription basis to subsidize it. If we don't support quality we deserve that outcome.
The machining costs are probably more eye-wateringly high than most people would believe. I wonder about how sturdy it is. Precision machines often sacrifice ruggedness.
@@BeGrizzlyStrongstainless steel 316 is $4-6 per kg, mild steel $2-3 finished. Depends on where you are. Does not need to be strong. Never gets dumped. I thought about it for a day, i assume it pulls back with the same force you pull it out. the pull during release cycle is annoying. If you jerk it, i dont know if it’s gonna jerk you you toward the upright. Then you could actually get hit. So better Easy steady does it.
@@BeGrizzlyStrong Its not the machine that makes the part expensive its the guy who operates it. Also literally every machine on the market can produce results in the IT7 tolerarances or better on repeat if the operator has at last some clue what he is doing. The ruggedness thing is correct when you go in the air bearing stuff but the surface and geometric tolerances produced on these are just not needed. We talk gym equipment here.
people who will spend this much on a single piece of equipment are not the kind of people who would by this over a titan/rogue latpulldown or functional trainer, or pretty much anything else. Once titan rips this off and sells it for
It's that expensive??? God damn. Can get a decent powerrack, bar and plates for this. Good review. I can't see many home gym owners getting this, but I see it has plenty of uses.
I wouldn't mind a an eccentric fly wheel... Looking forward to your budget friendly review... I saw a k box clone for $1300 obo on eBay but it's direct from china without any reviews that would be gambling for sure... Alibaba has them sub $200 and about $130 shipping thinking about rolling the dice on that but would prefer something adjustable like the model you just reviewed but only one seller asking $550 there
I purchased the the Kbox clone from alibaba and you can tell that eccentric gets their equipment made from China. It's really, no kidding, the same machine right down to every detail.
@@Ridahboy380 Please do a video or audio review collaboration with me! I've bought from Alibaba as well and I own an original Kbox4 from Exxentric. The unit I purchased from China doesn't even compare with a 5,000km stick. Would love to compare quality and sellers with you.
@@benjihartman1510 Hey, Benji, while I do not have the Kbox4 from Exxentric to compare, from what I seen online and in videos of the Kbox in action the one from China that I have operates and functions the exact same way.
When I saw the price I honestly thought it was a joke lmaoooooooooo. I don’t care how “high quality” is is. I would never in buy it at that price. Even if I won’t the lottery. You can buy a nice cable stack functional trainer for that lol. That company is 100% on drugs thinking that’s a good price lmao! Love ya coop! But this one you lost me completely. Cool idea tho. Would like to see titan knock it off and sell something similar for 100$
This is insane for the price!!! I thought oh cool a $150 piece I can use in my gym but not for the most expensive piece in a gym. How are they in business?
We added this to our gym a year ago. Client feedback has been overly positive. When used to target the eccentric phase of movements and super maximal loading, safety wise this machine can’t be beat. If your clients are, athletes, older and or rehab based, this machine is a great addition to traditional tools. The price is high but anything from Sweden manufacturing kicks you in the wallet.
I feel like this would be Best for cardio or even as a row machine. It’s hard to measure progressive over load like coop said if you use it for hypertrophybut maybe good for burn outs
Terrible for cardio. You want minimal eccentrics for cardio and these overload the eccentric. Good for athlete development that want to emphasize eccentrics.
No CARDIO. This has been used in Europe for decades with less fancy equipment. It is used as a high intensity strength method. If you ever use one of those machines, you won't think it is cardio, I promise.
I've been using the kmeter app more recently, and though I have a bunch of issues with it (like accidentally losing my sets before I save them when I'm trying to delete a pre-rep), you can set your "Inertia" (i.e. how much flywheel mass you have on the unit) and then when it auto-tracks your reps it gives you exact power/force readings for concentric and eccentric portions of the lift (per rep!), as well as range of motion, average/peak speeds, etc. So when you say one of your complaints is that it's hard to track your progressive overload progress, I'd almost say it's even more fine-grained than with barbell training because you know exactly how much force you're producing *per rep* whereas when you're doing a barbell squat you just have a general feeling of how your reps went. Recently I've been loading 2 L flywheels on the kbox and doing squats and I've noticed that I get progressively more force-producing with each workset until about the 4th or 5th and then I start to deteriorate, but from workout to workout I have good guidance for how my force production in general is changing (i.e., increasing slowly). Tangentially, I own both the kbox4 and kpulley2 (thanks to your original review of the kbox) and though I use the kpulley2 more often (for rehab'y type movements) - as someone who likes barbell training I agree the kbox is more versatile. Just look at what Stefan Ostling has been doing with it on instagram for example (posted yesterday): instagram.com/p/CKMqyyksjKA/
Wow, this is very helpful information. Thanks for taking the time to share. I need to play with the kMeter more. I actually follow Stefan now. So many great ideas and another reason why I think this type of training is underutilized.
@@GarageGymReviews FYI, Check out Carl Valle's post on the app and how he spent months testing it to verify the readings were accurate. simplifaster.com/articles/use-kmeter-develop-eccentric-power/ Also, do you have a preferred place for DM's (like... /r/homegym maybe)? Because I've had a couple things I've wanted to discuss with you for years and you just hinted at one of them in one of your recent videos. >_>
It’s a shame that Coop didn’t explain the real use case for this device. If you have the space for a rack, barbell, functional trainer, etc, and noise isn’t an issue but money is, then this isn’t for you. This and the kbox are either for somebody who doesn’t have the space for traditional equipment or needs to avoid the noise and can afford an expensive alternative. Or, it’s for somebody who has everything and wants to change up their training once in a while. I spent around $4k on the Kbox pro, but I live in an apartment where space and noise are issues. I could have rented another apartment to have space for a rack and barbell, but that’s $4k/month here. So, this was actually much cheaper.
Hey Coop. Have you considered the Versa Pulley? They have been around for at least a decade. The cone shape allows for quick adjustments between high speed low resistance and low speed high resistance.
Just found your channel. Great stuff! Any thoughts on the Kynett line of flywheels? I can't seem to find much in the way of reviews but they have some very affordable options.
Please compare Ancore fitness blocks, handy gym, exxentric blocks, and any other useable pulley systems like Land or cable ? ( not max pro since it is one way resistance only!)
Hey Coop. Would you say that there's a massive difference between a black zinc and a stainless steel bar? I'm going to buy my first proper barbell and I'm wondering if I should buy the black zinc or the stainless steel OPB. The stainless steel bar is about 130 dollars more expensive than the black zinc one so I'm wondering whether it's worth the massive price jump!
COOOP! You need to review the Maxpro fitness gym. I wanna know your thoughts. I think it has the potential to be even more versatile than the flywheel. Also the Bodyforce x9 PLEASE! It looks phenomenal and right up your alley for multi exercise machines.
Just noticed it was rocking a bit during the montage... AH! You are NOT using the Exxentric model that was designed to attach to Sorinex uprights (or possibly other power racks with 1" holes.)
I like using the Kensui Vest for Weighted Ring Handstand Push-ups! Only way to load that movement really haha (Good sub for overhead presses if you have low back and wrist issues I like do.)
New idea: I also made my own coop style squat rack setup with the rhino attached to a slinger, so I suppose you could load that awkward hspu variation with a rhino + sled pulling harness.
@@wynnerCF2020 ya I use mine for a bunch of different stuff. I like how you can load up only the front if you want for sit-ups and I like how it uses weight plates with it.
I think its overpriced but thats the thing with it, its a marketing strategy, but still as a ''poorer person'' my self I can say, come on 200-300 usd gets you a simple bench. :)
300 USD gets you a set of dumbbells up to 20lbs, a barbell, standard squat rack, standard cable pulley machine.. the kbox provides something unique to those things, but a minimum of $2000 seems very steep even then
This has an application for astronauts who spend an extended period of time in space. They can avoid muscle atrophy and bone loss. Or would a lack of gravity affect it?
A lack of gravity wouldn't affect the wheels, just the astronauts. I imagine they'd need to strap themselves in order to keep from being pushed up from a lot of the movements
@@educationalporpoises9592 actually, I think this technology was developed my NASA. I can't remember right now, but I think one of my teachers talked about it in college.
Without a good way to measure resistance it would be hard to do unilateral movements and determine if you're getting balanced development. Everybody has a dominant side.
How do the different sizes of flywheels change the resistance? It cannot be that the bigger the wheel is the more the resistance it generates because you said yourself that 'the harder you push, the harder it pushes back' - which suggests that the resistance is independent of the size of the wheel?
My assumption is that any standard cable attachments will work well with this? Or do you have to get all of their branded attachments for it to work properly?
I'd be a little concerned about high speed, precision machine in an environment where I'm throwing heavy weights around. What's the maintenance for something like this? Guessing the cost is driven not by materials but by tight machining tolerances.
Oh okay so how much force you use for the concentric, determines how much force the flywheel produces for just the eccentric. That sounds difficult to keep things consistent. People sometimes like to do some reps more explosive than others, but with this flywheel, that would then give them a really hardcore eccentric in the middle of their set to deal with. Some of the demonstrated exercises looked weird as far as the pace and stuff goes. Definitely interesting.
Did not know Coop was a hockey guy. I like you even more, my friend. Side note: Are you good? You were breathing pretty heavy over that locking mechanism🤣
This is a great over $1000 piece of equipment. The Handy Gym does the same thing for less than half the price and is smaller and way more portable. Check it out
Can you connect this to the Iron Neck? Asking for a friend...
😂😂
is your friend MIKE TYSON?!!?
I’m pretty sure you just invented a suicide machine 😅
Mate. There are better ways to leave this world than having the neck snapped.
Not sure about the decice itself, but we have a few fighters and football players actually using flywheels for their neck training. It is possible, with really no danger, as long as you aren't a complete idiot :D
I'm surprised with some of the negative reviews. I was so impressed with the ruclips.net/user/postUgkxMwYg0MOXR4M-oGeyBsNSYe1aPOUoRH6D cage that I got the lat pulldown attachment that goes with it. It is equally outstanding. I don't have one complaint other than putting it together is a job. The instructions and packaging of the parts are very well designed and organized. Also, I stripped and damaged the pull down cable the first day, admitting it was my stupid fault, and they quickly replaced it at no charge. I'm 6'5, 280lbs and fit in the cage just fine. Glenn B
It is so overpriced, that my antivirus literally blocks the website.
After reading this, I had an expectation of the price when clicking on the website. The actual price far exceeded what I thought it would be!
Its so expensive that my dog turned into a llama and asked me in spanish: "Como te llamas" in which I answered: "Muy mal". Also, I don't have a dog.
Lucky you.
Mine was disabled, so I got to the site , but then I clicked the K-box4 Pro, Advanced package..
After a complete restore, I'm finally back online.
@@48Boxer had the same experience
Yeah like, wtf right. You'd expect it to be significantly cheaper since there aren't huge stacks of steel but just a couple cables and small discs
Good review, as always Coop! But I’d rather spend $2K+ on a functional trainer.
Yep, totally get it. Thanks for the kind words.
I was thinking the same thing
Yes, most people would rather get a functional trainer but,
1. This is a different workout. Some people want this.
2. This takes up less space. Some people just don’t have room for a functional trainer.
3. This makes less noise. That can be an issue especially if you live in an apartment of have a baby.
4. This is portable. You can’t pack your functional trainer in your trunk if you have to move a lot.
@@neilpollack3514 ya but the price makes it a bit impractical. You could get so many other small things instead. Like adjustable dumbbells, a weight vest, a ab roller and a bunch of other small stuff. Also a functional trainer is silent unless your slamming the weight stacks.
@@GarageGymReviews couldn’t you just modify the flywheel of a Concept 2 machine? I can see the Ski Erg at half the price being modified to do everything this does plus you get the electronic readout.
While I agree it might be hard to do traditional progressive overload, generally strength and conditioning is trending towards velocity based training for the specific reason that it takes out subjective input of auto regulation and allows athletes to truly auto regulate. I think for most people this would actually be better for training because it eliminates the ego and also notice misunderstanding of exertion and allows the athletes to put in the work they’re capable of on that day. Progressive overload is a great scientific principal but only works perfectly in a controlled environment with no external variables adding any of millions of external stressors in daily life that could impact training on a given day.
Coop you should have shown it with a rotational woodchop kind of movement- the flywheel really shines with that transverse plane stuff. For my kbox I can do those movements too - just put a couple kettlebells on the box and stand aside and chop away. Their attachment called the rotational sling is handy too for those movements to focus more on trunk and legs.
As a whole the flywheel stuff is a nice supplement/finisher. The harness flywheel squats are so brutal you end up talking yourself out of doing them like the way that little voice in your head can talk yourself out of using the fanbikes/airdyne/echo.
I really don't understand the price, its not made of particularly expensive materials and I really dont see the market for it at that price. Its just asking for someone to bring out a budget version
Cheaper versions already exist. I think this is the concept of Apple. Apple introduced beauty on computers. Exxentric is doing the same for inertial training.
@@jandukanocraft Inertial training has actually been around for some time. If you're looking for a cheap knock off there are plenty of places too look. You get what you pay for, my American friend.
I know, first time I tried it was in 2005 at Exercise Sciences uni, in Spain.
More important than the product, Coop, you're looking in great shape! Kudos. Fleewheel training thankfully isn't my thing, because all of the products in this area are ridiculously expensive. These are a great addition to a commercial gym or someone that has a studio/training space to take PT/S+C clients.
I love this channel and reviews. I wish you would do more reviews on cheaper home gym equipment. $2200 is much more than alot of people will pay.
Ok, that was a sweet intro blowing the dust off your LP and puttin her on the turn-table.
Super awesome product. I would love to see a budget oriented product that serves a similar purpose you recommend.
Strexbox is under 1000$. Still fairly spendy especially when you add more flywheels and accessories.
@@markandrewkoval8920 Very poor quality compared to the Kbox. Just fyi.
As someone with very little space, this could actually work really well for me. Right now I only have room for a bench and a set of adjustable dumbbells. I could probably clear out a little space on a wall to mount this, though having the room to move with the straps might be an issue. This is pretty comparable to a cable/weight setup but has the advantage of being much quieter (no weight dropping) which is a major plus living in a wood framed apartment.
Not being able to measure progress and the awkward feeling of the resistance (compared to a traditional cable/weight setup) would be annoying, but with no alternatives I could get over it. The price is a little harder to accept though. If it was $1000-1200 then maybe I could justify it.
Cool, sure, but not for $2,185 ---- that's absolutely insane, and coming from me that has purchased a lot of expensive home gym equipment is saying something.
Don't worry the Chinese knockoffs will come out eventually
@@Wabajak13 Yep. However, Sweden is a nation that actually pays its people a living wage. The quality is uncompromising. This seems to be something that Americans always beg for but when it actually comes the only thing the same consumers are able to come up with is "too expensive, wait for the Chinese knockoffs".
For certain sports I think it's worth it, but yea home gym i’ll pass. Overloading the negative is great for strength.
But for regular fitness/ hypertrophy training it's pretty niche to justify the price tag.
@@benjihartman1510 SAY IT AGAIN FOR THE PEOPLE IN THE BACK! Can't agree more. We Americans have no concept for what a quality product costs. Meanwhile, the jerks over at Tonal are charging $5000 the first year for a plastic-y creaking piece of equipment then locking you into a subscription for the features. Prepare for a future where all we get is cheap hardware and overpriced features on a subscription basis to subsidize it. If we don't support quality we deserve that outcome.
You should do a video on the best leg press/ hack squat combo
High quality material? Zinc plated Machined steel? I’d rather say it intellectual property worth. It is a very smart design.
The machining costs are probably more eye-wateringly high than most people would believe. I wonder about how sturdy it is. Precision machines often sacrifice ruggedness.
@@BeGrizzlyStrongstainless steel 316 is $4-6 per kg, mild steel $2-3 finished. Depends on where you are. Does not need to be strong. Never gets dumped. I thought about it for a day, i assume it pulls back with the same force you pull it out. the pull during release cycle is annoying. If you jerk it, i dont know if it’s gonna jerk you you toward the upright. Then you could actually get hit. So better Easy steady does it.
@@BeGrizzlyStrong Its not the machine that makes the part expensive its the guy who operates it.
Also literally every machine on the market can produce results in the IT7 tolerarances or better on repeat if the operator has at last some clue what he is doing.
The ruggedness thing is correct when you go in the air bearing stuff but the surface and geometric tolerances produced on these are just not needed. We talk gym equipment here.
Some of those positions Coop. I don't know if I can handle a giant spinning steel disc right by my junk.
No pain, no gain.
You just have to helicopter before going in.
@@48Boxer Pretty sure that's how you have to wind the wheel when you first pull it out of the box.
people who will spend this much on a single piece of equipment are not the kind of people who would by this over a titan/rogue latpulldown or functional trainer, or pretty much anything else. Once titan rips this off and sells it for
Let's see some plate loaded leg extension/leg curl machine reviews!
Dope intro. Your editor deserves a raise.
It's that expensive??? God damn. Can get a decent powerrack, bar and plates for this. Good review. I can't see many home gym owners getting this, but I see it has plenty of uses.
"A certain kind of person" Coop just say a very rich person!!
I wouldn't mind a an eccentric fly wheel... Looking forward to your budget friendly review... I saw a k box clone for $1300 obo on eBay but it's direct from china without any reviews that would be gambling for sure... Alibaba has them sub $200 and about $130 shipping thinking about rolling the dice on that but would prefer something adjustable like the model you just reviewed but only one seller asking $550 there
I purchased the the Kbox clone from alibaba and you can tell that eccentric gets their equipment made from China. It's really, no kidding, the same machine right down to every detail.
@@Ridahboy380 Please do a video or audio review collaboration with me! I've bought from Alibaba as well and I own an original Kbox4 from Exxentric. The unit I purchased from China doesn't even compare with a 5,000km stick. Would love to compare quality and sellers with you.
@@benjihartman1510 Hey, Benji, while I do not have the Kbox4 from Exxentric to compare, from what I seen online and in videos of the Kbox in action the one from China that I have operates and functions the exact same way.
I felt like i was watching Rocky 9 during that montage.
Can you really get more resistance on the eccentric than you put ‘in’ on the concentric?🤔
I think I would choose the Free Flexor. Most flexible piece of equipment next to the Tug Toner
When I saw the price I honestly thought it was a joke lmaoooooooooo. I don’t care how “high quality” is is. I would never in buy it at that price. Even if I won’t the lottery. You can buy a nice cable stack functional trainer for that lol. That company is 100% on drugs thinking that’s a good price lmao! Love ya coop! But this one you lost me completely. Cool idea tho. Would like to see titan knock it off and sell something similar for 100$
Always the best review from Coop!
I would be interested in a comparison of the kPulley vs a rack-mounted DIY version you can build using normal tools/hardware for
Where can I buy those instructions?
This is insane for the price!!! I thought oh cool a $150 piece I can use in my gym but not for the most expensive piece in a gym. How are they in business?
Whoever came up with this intro. Pay them well and keep them on board.
That intro and editing lookin absolutely clean
I'm curious if you will review any competition Flywheel brands to make a comparison.?
We added this to our gym a year ago. Client feedback has been overly positive. When used to target the eccentric phase of movements and super maximal loading, safety wise this machine can’t be beat. If your clients are, athletes, older and or rehab based, this machine is a great addition to traditional tools. The price is high but anything from Sweden manufacturing kicks you in the wallet.
It made in Sweden not Switzerland
@@muginthugin9416 corrected, thanks for the comment!
Hey coop! Will the nuobells come out with an expansion anytime soon?
At this price point I bought the KBox, the KPulley, and went ahead and grabbed the LegExx. Very affordable!
Is the flywheel concept the same principle behind Concept Rowing machine? The faster you row the harder the resistance?
Coop! I can taste the 200k subscriber mark! Unreal man, keep it going!
A legend and a hero for all of our needs
I feel like this would be Best for cardio or even as a row machine. It’s hard to measure progressive over load like coop said if you use it for hypertrophybut maybe good for burn outs
Terrible for cardio. You want minimal eccentrics for cardio and these overload the eccentric. Good for athlete development that want to emphasize eccentrics.
No CARDIO. This has been used in Europe for decades with less fancy equipment. It is used as a high intensity strength method. If you ever use one of those machines, you won't think it is cardio, I promise.
these are so misunderstood, the purpose is to overload the eccentric phase of lifts. its even in the name of the company, exxentric
it most certainly is not for cardio.
It’s basically a lawnmower that doesn’t start
you might be onto a lucrative business venture here.
Hey - That's what I call my VersaPulley MV2 - the most expensive lawnmower!
lol
underrated comment
I've been using the kmeter app more recently, and though I have a bunch of issues with it (like accidentally losing my sets before I save them when I'm trying to delete a pre-rep), you can set your "Inertia" (i.e. how much flywheel mass you have on the unit) and then when it auto-tracks your reps it gives you exact power/force readings for concentric and eccentric portions of the lift (per rep!), as well as range of motion, average/peak speeds, etc. So when you say one of your complaints is that it's hard to track your progressive overload progress, I'd almost say it's even more fine-grained than with barbell training because you know exactly how much force you're producing *per rep* whereas when you're doing a barbell squat you just have a general feeling of how your reps went.
Recently I've been loading 2 L flywheels on the kbox and doing squats and I've noticed that I get progressively more force-producing with each workset until about the 4th or 5th and then I start to deteriorate, but from workout to workout I have good guidance for how my force production in general is changing (i.e., increasing slowly).
Tangentially, I own both the kbox4 and kpulley2 (thanks to your original review of the kbox) and though I use the kpulley2 more often (for rehab'y type movements) - as someone who likes barbell training I agree the kbox is more versatile. Just look at what Stefan Ostling has been doing with it on instagram for example (posted yesterday): instagram.com/p/CKMqyyksjKA/
Wow, this is very helpful information. Thanks for taking the time to share. I need to play with the kMeter more. I actually follow Stefan now. So many great ideas and another reason why I think this type of training is underutilized.
@@GarageGymReviews FYI, Check out Carl Valle's post on the app and how he spent months testing it to verify the readings were accurate. simplifaster.com/articles/use-kmeter-develop-eccentric-power/
Also, do you have a preferred place for DM's (like... /r/homegym maybe)? Because I've had a couple things I've wanted to discuss with you for years and you just hinted at one of them in one of your recent videos. >_>
@@hinmanj88 email me. Coop@garagegymreviews.com
Would this replace an item like a functional trainer?
Seems like it would be good for explosive power
Hi Coop...... please let me know the model/make of the rope pulley connector you used in this video. Thanks
It’s a shame that Coop didn’t explain the real use case for this device. If you have the space for a rack, barbell, functional trainer, etc, and noise isn’t an issue but money is, then this isn’t for you. This and the kbox are either for somebody who doesn’t have the space for traditional equipment or needs to avoid the noise and can afford an expensive alternative. Or, it’s for somebody who has everything and wants to change up their training once in a while. I spent around $4k on the Kbox pro, but I live in an apartment where space and noise are issues. I could have rented another apartment to have space for a rack and barbell, but that’s $4k/month here. So, this was actually much cheaper.
Did they give that to you to review?
I bought 2 of the "kpulley go" for my 3x3 rack, these things are seriously underestimated
The K-box video was the first one i seen from you , the jumper still haunts me .....
You can get great cable stacks for less than this wheel.
You can, but whilst the movements are the same, the two give completely different workouts so aren't really comparable.
You got 200k subscribers! I love the kbox, you can do just about anything with it!
Hey Coop. Have you considered the Versa Pulley? They have been around for at least a decade. The cone shape allows for quick adjustments between high speed low resistance and low speed high resistance.
Just found your channel. Great stuff! Any thoughts on the Kynett line of flywheels? I can't seem to find much in the way of reviews but they have some very affordable options.
This much for what looks like would be fitness trend in the 70s amongst moms 😂
Until they try it, overload eccentrics are brutal
Hey Coop, do a review on the Maxx Bench. I think it’s like 5 years old or something but I don’t see much about it and its an awesome design.
Please compare Ancore fitness blocks, handy gym, exxentric blocks, and any other useable pulley systems like Land or cable ? ( not max pro since it is one way resistance only!)
Hey Coop. Would you say that there's a massive difference between a black zinc and a stainless steel bar? I'm going to buy my first proper barbell and I'm wondering if I should buy the black zinc or the stainless steel OPB. The stainless steel bar is about 130 dollars more expensive than the black zinc one so I'm wondering whether it's worth the massive price jump!
Coop, I see you have the KBox4 Active! Is the Platform size of 17”x27” enough room for doing squats ? Thanks
I feel like I got kicked in the balls repeatedly when I saw the price......and I'm a chick 🤷♀️😭
For a studio or athletic training centre, sure maybe.
COOOP! You need to review the Maxpro fitness gym. I wanna know your thoughts. I think it has the potential to be even more versatile than the flywheel. Also the Bodyforce x9 PLEASE! It looks phenomenal and right up your alley for multi exercise machines.
I would love to see what you think of the k pulley go starter system.
Great review, as always. I would love to know more about that cable tower it was attached to...
Just noticed it was rocking a bit during the montage...
AH! You are NOT using the Exxentric model that was designed to attach to Sorinex uprights (or possibly other power racks with 1" holes.)
Coop get your hands on a EZ-Vest from Kensui Fitness if you can. They take forever to get but are pretty good.
Got one. Review is on the site. Video coming ASAP amigo.
I like using the Kensui Vest for Weighted Ring Handstand Push-ups! Only way to load that movement really haha (Good sub for overhead presses if you have low back and wrist issues I like do.)
New idea: I also made my own coop style squat rack setup with the rhino attached to a slinger, so I suppose you could load that awkward hspu variation with a rhino + sled pulling harness.
@@wynnerCF2020 ya I use mine for a bunch of different stuff. I like how you can load up only the front if you want for sit-ups and I like how it uses weight plates with it.
I was expecting something like 200 or 300 usd..
I think its overpriced but thats the thing with it, its a marketing strategy, but still as a ''poorer person'' my self I can say, come on 200-300 usd gets you a simple bench. :)
300 USD gets you a set of dumbbells up to 20lbs, a barbell, standard squat rack, standard cable pulley machine.. the kbox provides something unique to those things, but a minimum of $2000 seems very steep even then
I'd be interest in a kynett flywheel review.
What do you think about Desmotec the Italian company with the same concept?
This has an application for astronauts who spend an extended period of time in space. They can avoid muscle atrophy and bone loss. Or would a lack of gravity affect it?
A lack of gravity wouldn't affect the wheels, just the astronauts. I imagine they'd need to strap themselves in order to keep from being pushed up from a lot of the movements
@@educationalporpoises9592 actually, I think this technology was developed my NASA. I can't remember right now, but I think one of my teachers talked about it in college.
Am I correct in thinking the item you reviewed Coop had the pulley upgrade kit fitted?
Could you do Palloff Press with this? I'm thinking probably not..?
People in the comments saying $2185 is too much like literally Coop himself and everyone else haven't already said it. Stay original guys.
This makes it very clear that technology can advance past weights !! .. .
Great review! There is any cheaper option that you think is worth?
Without a good way to measure resistance it would be hard to do unilateral movements and determine if you're getting balanced development. Everybody has a dominant side.
How do the different sizes of flywheels change the resistance? It cannot be that the bigger the wheel is the more the resistance it generates because you said yourself that 'the harder you push, the harder it pushes back' - which suggests that the resistance is independent of the size of the wheel?
Coop, do you have any info on Bishop Barbell? Or their bumper plates?
Coop whats the diverging hand grip called you use. Its like a fat grip but curved?
Turns a straight bar into a curved
My assumption is that any standard cable attachments will work well with this?
Or do you have to get all of their branded attachments for it to work properly?
any cable attachments will work.
new point we need to see coop juiced to the gills just once
Have you tried the versapulley? That seems to do the functions of a kbox and kpulley and looks sturdy
yo Coop love your stuff!
I'd be a little concerned about high speed, precision machine in an environment where I'm throwing heavy weights around. What's the maintenance for something like this? Guessing the cost is driven not by materials but by tight machining tolerances.
KPulley 2 ooooor 2k$ pulley. Would prefer a good cable station
Coop. Pull a Mr. Beast. You gotta give away 200,000 weight plates to your 200,00th subscriber.
Oh okay so how much force you use for the concentric, determines how much force the flywheel produces for just the eccentric.
That sounds difficult to keep things consistent. People sometimes like to do some reps more explosive than others, but with this flywheel, that would then give them a really hardcore eccentric in the middle of their set to deal with. Some of the demonstrated exercises looked weird as far as the pace and stuff goes.
Definitely interesting.
Excellent channel
Liking for the review and information even though is not a product for me. Elite fts signature bench for me.
Did not know Coop was a hockey guy. I like you even more, my friend.
Side note: Are you good? You were breathing pretty heavy over that locking mechanism🤣
@5:30 is it Exerfly??? 😳😳😳
Just ordered mine and will be using everyday. Yeah expensive but it’s only money, when u die u don’t take with you lol 😆
What is the difference between a power rack and a squat rack?
Hey coop what do you think of lever gyms
That is $3k aud... You can literally make an entire home gym with that amount 😳
This is a great over $1000 piece of equipment. The Handy Gym does the same thing for less than half the price and is smaller and way more portable. Check it out
Dude that price is outrageous
Can adjust the cable rope length like the kbox in this model?
I am very interested in your comments on Exerfly.
Is there a US made version of this now?
A 900-1,000 lb seven day deadlift improvement is impressive
Would this be suitable for 'time under tension' reps?
I need a video of you homemaking one please