Ref Watch: Should Liverpool have got a penalty for a foul by Doku on Mac Allister?
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The Football Show panel discuss on Ref Watch whether Liverpool should have been awarded a late penalty for a foul from Manchester City's Jeremy Doku on Alexis Mac Allister.
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With that logic…”doku got the ball”, how come when Jones got the ball as well. But, his foot rolled over the ball with studs up and hit the spurs player. He was sent off. VAR in that game sent the referee over to watch it frame by frame. No consistency!!! VAR is a joke
so from now on, if you touch the ball - it does not matter what happens after that? studs up sliding tackles here we come! THANKS IDIOTS!
absolutely correct. all the big decisions go against us. Spurs game rubbish. Arsenal game rubbish no penalty granted. and now again robbed.
McAllister should’ve taken off his shirt to show Doku’ stud marks under his arm pit.
Absolute rubbish.
Really cowardly by the officiating team.
No way a players foot can be that high and it’s not a foul regardless of whether or not her plays the ball.
Studs were showing.
@@zubairyusuf142 look tbh it aint a pen mate but eddy deserves red card
@@pespespes8916Put your glasses on pal.
I literally learned nothing from this video, thank you Dermot
He just doing nothing instead for talking on the show you should make changes in the game by using the technology properly and making your decisions correct instead for justifying the wrong decision on the tv shows
I'll spare the 6 min on smth else then. Thank you for the warning (I wanted to watch it thinking maybe for once he speaks some logic, but after reading your comment, I move on 😅 )
@@smaanny6457 it basically took him 6 minutes to say “it could’ve easily been given as a penalty, but also not - and if the same thing happened elsewhere on the pitch, no comment”
@@cmpc724 pure comedy 😅😅😅 must laugh, otherwise we'll just cry in frustration
Wtf. Is this what SKY can come up whit… 😂
Jota was sent off against Tottenham for “intent”…… just the fact that he went in low with studs showing, despite never making contact with udogie was enough for the refs to give him his marching orders 😅. How a low tackle showing studs that doesn’t make contact can be used to send someone off, yet a higher, more dangerous tackle that makes contact isn’t classed as a foul is disgraceful.
because errrrrr reasons......
Same game, Custis was sent off after playing the ball then touching the Tottenham player (Bissouma) on his on his ankle....
@@tnjoya1 exactly 💯 funny how ya never heard any ref saying jones won/ touched the ball before said accidental collision.
What about the Jota challenge on skipp?
@@stillwater5053 skipp should never have been on the field to get kicked in the head, he had a reckless tackle while being on a yellow, and should have been sent off for his first tackle that earned him a yellow, an awful late tackle on lucho, nearly broke Diaz’s ankle, and anyone is free to judge that themselves. A foul was called for jota’s challenge btw.
As a former ref, (Very low grade) I always consider the issue where a player connects with another in a dangerous fashion. Based on that photo, connection with the ball or not that was a tackle where both feet are off the ground, the player is not in control of his forward momentum and the result is connection with the victims body that could have resulted in broken ribs and has certainly resulted in bruised ribs. The injury could very well preclude the victim from the next game. By that definition it is dangerous play akin to a two footed tackle.
The offence was committed by having foot up, dangerous play, the fact that Doku touched the ball first is immaterial, even if it were accidental.
I also have refereed.
Go away from here with your logic and common sense. This is probably why you only reffed at a low level, you have too many brain cells for these absolute dunces.
Real question is how much did city pay Sky for this 💀
🤣😂👍👍 Truth.
Ask ur mom 🧓‼️🙄😆
@alonewithmythoughts.....No!..the real question is... When are you scouse crybabies going to stop whinging?... All season, every game, none stop whinging!... No wonder every neutral fan wants you to lose every game!!! 🙄
Must be very handsome money 💰 😮🤬😤😠😡
@alonewithmycrybabythoughts... Pay sky for what? you melon!
This "Ref Watch" is absolute shite. How about referring games properly and consistently
Agreed, they got this decision right though.
But we're not living in a ideal world
Ur always gonna have ref decisions that need to have a debate
😢😢😢 give me 10 penalties we gave one free😂
Since the PGMOL Chief himself also makes this kind of program, I expect officiating to get worse. They need it for the show.
@@davidstephenson164 Nope it was a penalty
As an Arsenal fan the result is exactly what I wanted, but there is no way that was not a penalty, if nothing else having the foot that high going towards an opponent is reckless and dangerous play.
It's us against city and the pay roll mate
عندما يذهب ارسنال الا التحاد سوف يفوزون عليكم بتحكيم
What idot dermont Gallagher you N anywhere on the pitch its a foul come on let's not be a smart arse
You're exactly right, the law isn't "he won the ball" it's endangering an opponent
Commonsense does it ehh😅
I’m more pissed watching this, The VAR has to send him to the screen. What’s the point of having a replay angles if you won’t use it.
That way, Liverpool would get an advantage and that is what VAR does not want. It is corruption in some form or another, with some hidden motivation that only a serious police investigation might uncover. Hopefully one will, because Liverpool aren't the only ''victims'' of bizarre ''mistakes'' which are deliberate mistakes.
There’s no such thing as going to the screen, that’s just for show. They have already decided, they’ve never upheld a decision while going to the screen lmao
VAR is no longer about correcting the on pitch decision it’s now about backing it up. It’s a boys club where they protect one another despite what the rules say
@@philipmarsden7104 Then the next week you get one from Elliott's dive
Why does the on-field decision bear more weight than the VAR? The referee makes a split-second call from one angle, whereas VAR have slow-motion and multiple angles with which to analyse decisions.
Probably because of how ridiculous it would be for those in the stadium
Imagine seeing a perfectly good goal but (excluding offside) there is a subtle pull which the referee deemed none problematic, but the VAR did. Why even bother celebrating if the threshold for disallowing a goal is so low? The atmospheres would literally be worse than US football crowds
@@XXXTENTAClON227 But isn't that the case right now? That the referee misses something, the VAR spots it (or doesn't spot it- after taking ages) and the goal is ruled out- with the fans all the while left in the dark? It seems to me that the "ridiculous" scenario you're outlining is basically the way VAR operates right now.
And I have a genuine question: what does privileging the more informed viewpoint have to do with a low threshold?
Why does Dermot keep saying "Doku wins the ball" no he does not, Mac Allister chests it and it hits Dokus foot, that isnt him winning the ball.
Still counts as ball first though, the touch was minor and Doku takes it out of Mac’s intended path - definitively winning the ball. In real time it isn’t as bad but again it’s debatable. Not clear and obvious which os what var is for.
Because he's a liar.
@@Allegro_Giustoit’s studs up, high foot, not controlled, follow through. What more do you want for clear and obvious error? Oliver never had a clear view of it. He should of been sent the monitor
So not a clear and obvious highball, kick on a follow through(if he got the ball) and no dangerous play?
@@MASO204 It didn’t look like he followed through much at all in real time, not to take the man anyway. He retracted slightly. Don’t get me wrong I’m finding it debatable either way. Thing is it would be a foul outside of the box, but many fouls outside the box aren’t in, and that needs a big clear up imo. That is what they were hesitant to call a pen here, they get a lot more leeway. Just like the standard lazy grappling in the box on corners for example. With the way the game is currently reffed inside the box I can’t definitely say it’s a pen - if they clear that unnecessary leeway up, then yes a pen, just.
So liverpool got Diaz's goal vs Tottenham disallowed
Odegaard handball
Now it's a karate kick from Doku...clearly Prem refs are against us
And that one Jackson again from first game at stampford Bridge
@@alexmtsava9106 I am actually okay with a no call there. It is a marginal pen, and it is not crazy to not give it, even if I understand why some may disagree.
McAllister should have been sent off for Maguire
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Would anyone be complaining if it was given? No, there's your answer. Pen all day long.
Why you answering your own question you weirdo 😂😂 Yes a lot of people would, the one that was given is the one they should be discussing. No contact from Ederson, shameless dive from Nunez.
Edit: Are shabskhayer's parents siblings or did his dad marry a goat 🤣🤣
what? city and arsenal fans would!
@@davidstephenson164 I think you have an extra chromosome
@@ashchbkv6965 They just happen to look out for themselves, no coincidence they just happen to be in a title race.
Seen worse not given, and less given. Itms anyones guess and depends on who the ref is who is looking at VAR. One of those grey areas that doesn’t have a clear answer. I can see both cases. One thing being definite is fouls outside the box are not always inside and needs a big clear up. I’m not talking about going down easily, but clear grappling isn’t called more than half the time - it promotes lazy defending by not marking well, lacking anticipation of movement and taking those examples of advantages some defenders have in good defending away for some cheap wrestling.
How did Curtis Jones get sent off earlier in the season when he played the ball, his foot rolled over it and onto the opposition players leg?
Exactly so if your foot rolls over the ball into someone’s ankle it’s a red card but if someone goes studs in into your chest it’s ok 👍👍 makes perfect sense
Seems as though for the refs and VAR it Depends what colour shirt you’re wearing as to whether it’s a penal or not…
@@garryt6356I’d rather have androids refereeing games than flesh and blood at this point. Maybe then match officiating would be stripped of bribes and blatant bias…but on second thought the higher-ups would probably still program the androids to sway one way or another depending on shirt colors anyway.
As Drogba once said, “it’s a disgrace!”.
It is a penalty indeed, buttons are up, similar to a tackle even if your foot rolls over the ball. That does not mean though that Doku's tackle is not 1000% penalty. I'd bet in the other top 4 leagues it would be given, but EPL refereeing is something else these last couple of seasons.
Liverpool have now lost 7 points because of these kind of decisions: Díaz's non offside goal (Liv vs spurs) = 1 point lost, Oodegaard's handball(Liv vs Arsenal)= 3points lost, Doku's kick boxing(Liv vs City)= 3 points.
Your maths aren't great mate, they didn't lose to City and Arsenal, so they got a point in each game which means, using your logic that Liverpool are down 5 points, however, I'd add as well, that the Odegaard handball happened when Liverpool were still losing so it would've been an equaliser rather than a winner.
@@bonzobanzi1137 True, my bad
I reckon they would've won the Spurs match tho...
😂imbecile
Odegaard hand is a clear rule. It would be overturned if given. Watch more how Arsenal wasn’t given a pen when Mcallister crossed his trajectory with Havertz on purpose
GTFU. Anybody who watches football knows that was a penalty. It matters not if he got the ball. On what planet is a foot studs up in a chest not dangerous play ?
There's definitely not a wide split on this decision. I've asked around 15 random people, not even Liverpool fans, and not one agreed with the decision. Penalty all day, every day. Dermot is a liar.
Sheikh Mansour, vice-president and deputy prime minister of UAE, owns Man City had meeting with Oliver days before referee arsenal game and refused send a man city player of for straight red and now he refused to give a straight red and penalty for a Stonewall foul
Link?
Like klopp said “ For the footballing ppl its a penalty” unfortunately we have clown refereeing the game.
Yep
No, they know it was a pen. The game is rigged big time
@@Johnnyquid20 I try not to think like this but the evidence this season has forced me to change my mind:
Jones at Spurs I can live with - harsh, but I can see both sides.
Jota at Spurs was a joke - two yellow challeneges where he doesn't even touch the opposing player.
The Diaz non-goal at Spurs - 100% corruption or bias. They knew it was a goal and yet did nothing, and nobody has paid a price for it.
Odegaard at Anfield playing basketball in his own area preventing Salah from running onto the ball when Arsenal were under the cosh.
Doku at Anfield - 1000% penalty.
That is potentially seven points Liverpool have been cheated out of because VAR refused or decided not to do their job properly. If VAR was a level playing field, Liverpool would have this league wrapped up by now - which is the plan, I guess.
My guess is that they're fixing the games for artificial excitement. Not just for one specific team. The closer the title race is, the more people will watch.
However, Liverpool has been punished too many times, and City has benefitted the most.
@@pidfenderlane9012 even Arsenal were hard done by refs. Coincidence? OF course not
The problem with these TV pundits and Refs is that they think we "THE FANS"are complete idiots .We all watch football on an analysis level .We are not STUPID . A 7 year old can understand football rules .He is trying to water it down by saying fans are 50/50 about the decision . So what is the point of having a ref on the pitch who is scared of giving a penalty at a crucial point in the game ???
To be fair though you are an idiot.
Because it’s not a pen you idio t. Macallister was tryimg his best to fly into Doku’s foot
Most of the pundits here don't even know the rules. For dangerous play, e.g. a high foot, you give an indirect free kick. Not a penalty. Why are the pundits who don't know the rules talking over the referee?
I’m pretty sure fans of the pl are 85/15 on this decision. Refs cannot be paid immense amounts in the PL then go to UAE to referee Sunday league matches than come back to England to referee games that have implications for City, who’s owner pays for their side gigs through his family that own the UAE league.
Good point. I don't even think it is true fans are 50/50 about the decision. I think most would agree this is a penalty. The fact the refs are so scared of giving a penalty is a nonsense as a defense, for why would they not be just as afraid of not giving a penalty if there is one? What it tells me is that they are afraid of going against the money at the expense of the fans, and this is why so many bad calls tend to go against the likes of Liverpool and Arsenal, while Manchester City seem to get all the breaks.
And for me this ruins football completely, especially when City already has enough advantages in having the most money and in being able to wait many years and not be punished for 115 charges when Everton and Forest is charged right away. The league is starting to me to look as as much of a disgrace as the doping scandals in Gymnastics and Tour De France. The love of money and lack of love of truth and fair play is ruining sports today.
Making the rules as they go along. Corruption at it's finest.
Diaz onside goal ruled out.
Curtis foot rolling over the ball sent off.
Caicedo challenge on Garavenberg, FA Cup final, not sent off.
Jota sent off against Spurs.
Van Diyk sent off against Newcastle.
Bruv they are working against LiVarpool overtime
Forgot Odegaard handball in Arsenal's penalty box... It's been one helluva season...
And VVD perfectly good header in the final joke.
Corruption at its foulest, actually.
@@thidaaung8726yeah mate
McAllister should have been sent off yesterday
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How is this even a debate, if you think this wasn’t a penalty then you have 0 ball knowledge
It's not a pen mate. Correct decision all day long
@@MROPINIONS11How?
@@MROPINIONS11. Well here's one with no football knowledge.
@@mikeschofield4319 don't cry about it mate. MacAllister ran into Doku's studs
Somebody has ball knowledge...ref has city's balls in their mouth
Like Klopp said, opinions won’t change anything.
Opinions, that very word is the reason why refs need to be investigated
Yes but we wouldn’t have the need to voice our opinions if the ref did his job
This is why he is leaving the league. He can’t stand the corruption.
That's why he's bouncing out of EPL
if mac allistar would do that tackle to doku he would get a red card and a slap from the ref
They would definitely get a penalty for sure.
I agree Mac should of definitely been sent off earlier in the match
@@Bushwacker-mb6hwoff to cricket with you. Can’t have this level of stupidity in the beatiful game
@@matija9540😂😂😂😂
Imagine if Xhaka did it 😆
This isn’t the first time a decision has went against us. That’s what makes it so frustrating it honestly feels like the referees have an agenda against Klopp at this point. No wonder he wants a break. It’s exhausting playing against 12 men each game
How about the numerous ones that have gone in your favour, do you come out to talk against them?
@@MrSahbunkyyou can't even name "numerous ones" you boring idiot.
@@MrSahbunkyyou can't name "numerous ones" you melt.
@@MrSahbunky shut up you melon , we have more big decisions go against us than any other big team
It's not only Liverpool mate, there are more teams getting screwed by refs. Wolves earlier on in the season got screwed many times and Arsenal as well. Stop pretending like you're the only one
I didn't know that the high foot rule was entirely contingent on whether the player gets the ball. Mostly I didn't realise that because it's not what the rule says. Maybe the referees have a special rulebook that is different to everyone else's?
The obsequious answers by these "pundits" only adds fuel to the fire that there is corruption behind this. This is a foul, end of discussion, there is no spin that changes that fact. The only reason it was not called was it was late in a game and it was against City...just say it got God's sake!
People aren’t split, it’s a penalty, is this a joke!
The only ppl saying it’s not a penalty are city, united and arsenal fans
@@Jerrymouse79 Some Utd fans I know - believe it or not, have even admitted that it was a pen.
@@Jerrymouse79The only people saying it is a penalty are Liverpool fans
@@minder96 Wrong. I’ve seen Newcastle, City, Utd, and Arsenal fans all calling it a pen
@@z-rex6068 Champions don't rely on pens to win a game.
Refs excuses are getting worse
And becoming more stupid if you ask me
The only way to avoid the situation is to wait for the ball to stop bouncing before a player attempts to kick it.
Not wanting to undermine the refs decisions is clearly effecting match results .
For that matter, wasn't that the reason why VAR was introduced? To either bolster and confirm the referee's on-field decision or to overturn any wrong on-field decisions? If not, why even have VAR at all??
It’s literally his mates. He probably met them for lunch after this. Total corruption.
@@isaiahjoshc this is what I mean, it’s not being used for what it’s brought in for. They are afraid to be the one responsible for the controversy basically
@@cmpc724 so frustrating
@@ronrammer4666 I genuinely think the football we once knew and loved is dead 😔 I’m sorry to say
Just get rid of VAR if you're not going to use it when it's needed most
I have asked former professional referee Keith Hackett about this and he said a nailed on penalty. That’s good enough for me.
What's the point of VAR if they don't send the ref to the screen in this kind of situation? Such a high quality game, where the outcome determines who might win the leauge or not and in the dying minutes of the game. If the ref didn't see it and there's no VAR then fine... but we have VAR and it's not getting used here? Really, what is the point?
It seems like ref forgot what VAR stands for. To assist them 🙄
Ah yes very good statement. But it all depends on who is playing 😉
its called match fixing
Because it’s clearly fixed, i have a strong feeling that if that happens the other way around it’s called what it is a clear penalty.
The very fact Oliver was not in a position to clearly see the clash yet claimed he was satisfied Doku went for the ball should raise questions about his ethics. And if he clearly saw Doku, with a boot at Macalister's chest, and still thought 'yeah that's acceptable' then I'm not sure which referee handbook the man has been reading! Probably read the American football handbook the previous night...
Position is not an issue, that's why monitors are there for an official to verify
To overturn 'clear and obvious' errors, understand?
@@davidstephenson164 it was clear and obvious- if you look at the clip in slow motion you'll see that Maccalister won the ball 1st with his chest- stonewall penalty
no one is split, everyone thinks its a penalty, only ex refs sticking up for mates dont
and some pundits being told by the networks not to undermine referees decisions 😡
Exactly, what in the hell is he talking about it being split! 99% think is a clear penalty! the rest are Cheaty fans or spineless pundits told not to question the referees...
And the livarpool nonces who cry every time a decision goes Liverpool's way
@@jackdominiak445
Yes. Spot on.
As Liverpool fans, let's just brace ourselves with the fact that no close contest will be given in our team's favour this season. Let's continue to rally behind our boys. They're doing well, so I believe we can still win the league.
Against the odds we will win the league.
"he got the ball first", so? Romero got the ball first against Chelsea yet everyone was in agreement that it was a penalty AND a red card. If that's not enough, Jones also got the ball first against Spurs but his foot rolled over the ball with studs up and he was sent off. No consistency in this league, genuinely ruining the sport.
Usual mental gymnastics to protect his mates. What is VAR supposed to be for
Deciding the title as Money talks and the FA don't just want us and city every year running away from the pack!
This “ref watch” is a load of 💩 as the ref never clears anything up he’s there just to support his mates. Clear and obvious re card for ref watch 🛑
corruption of the refs
Cry 😂😂
@@davidstephenson164retard
@@davidstephenson164lucky led
@@davidstephenson164any football fan should be concerned with the state of reffing in the prem atm you weapon
lmaooooooo only cause u didnt get it
"It wasn't anywhere else on the pitch" What a genius !!!
Please make a video of how endo made kdb cry 😭😂🤣
99% of what i am seeing is everyone from pundits to rival fans saying that is a Stonewall Penalty.
3 massive decisions against Liverpool that will decide the title. The fact people say we benefitted form forest game so it balances out is crazy, completely different
@@Do27gg Yep, a ref not giving a drop ball is so so different, especially when there was a huge passage of play afterwards, to onside goals being ruled offside, and waving off studs to the chest. The funny thing is, I can also admit Arsenal have been hard done by this season. Nobody has that to say about city. So the two teams rivaling city suddenly get hard done by? no coincidence!
@@kennwan9917 exactly, the Spurs game was daylight robbery given the 2 sending offs and that absolute farce from VAR. The Forest result was absolutely fine, there was nearly 2 mins and 3 phases of play including the ball going out twice and Forest getting it once, it's a joke to say that goal was for any other reason than just terrible defending by Forest
Doesn't mean it is, coz 99% of people say it is. 99% of people are sheep. Wouldn't have been an argument if the ref had given it but the more I watch it the less it seems he touched McCallister. I've seen a lot worse not given.
@@tago69mago671 🤡
How about Curtis jones who DID also get the ball first and followed through accidentally after? He got a red..
They should just use the same ref and var room for consistency. Lord Tierney should assigned all EPL matches.
I agree aswell as Gusto vs Aston Villa back at Stamford Bridge last Year.
Worst VAR of all time. Spurs. One winner. Cheaty
Exactly. There is no consistency.
Surely, VAR is to check for things that that the ref has missed, so the argument that Oliver called it as he originally saw it is utterly preposterous.
Especially since Oliver was not in position to see whether Macca touched ball. This is one of those situations where VAR should sent to referee to the monitor, because another angle would show information that was probably not seen and would likely influence the decision.
This is why I fundamentally disagree with how "clear and obvious" is used by VAR. When the referee had a good look at the play, it makes sense to only go to the monitor for extreme errors.
Mac leads with his arm/elbow turning into doku. He has no idea where the ball is just ramming doku. Doku at least was aiming for a ball. Mac throws himself into doku. Simple.
Anyone who has ever played football know its a straight red for violent play, not even a question for penalty or not, its a 100% penalty any time any where.
“PGMOL regrets to announce that the penalty claim against Manchester city from Liverpool was indeed a penalty.” That’s all we will see in the coming days and nothing else
It's still not going to give us any points. Same as Howard Webb's apology from the Spurs game.
It’s coming. Why not send Oliver to the screen?
💯
Just like v Spurs and V Arsenal!!!
And Mr Oliver will take a rest this weekend.
Dermot completely avoiding the is it a foul elsewhere on the pitch because he knows for a fact that he cannot answer that honestly as it would undermine his verbal gymnastics. A foul is a foul, shouldnt matter where it is on the pitch, shouldnt matter if its the first minute or the last minute, shouldnt matter if the player is on a yellow card, shouldnt matter which two teams are involved. Enforce your rules universally and accurately across the board or dont bother officiating at all.
He keeps saying "its easier to give a penalty" ... refusing to say "my mate got it wrong"
i mean why do they even bring these old washed up refs on this show if they're just gonna keep their traps shut and sit on the fence about everything
Clear penalty,no need VAR
You are the same people crying your eyes out when Calvert Lewin was sent off. A while back… Doku clearly pulled his leg back. And mcallister milked it like it was his mothers tit
Nice gaslighting from Sky. AGAIN. This shouldn’t even be a debate. It’s a stonewall penalty. No point in VAR and no point in this segment. We already know Sky have instructed pundits to not go hard on refs because of a perception that it’s somehow “bullying”.
Holding top level professionals accountable for their decisions isn’t bullying. The game is being ruined and the custodians of the game - the refs and pundits on Sky - are absolutely a part of the ruination. Disgusting.
Why the hell is Dermot even there? To defend the PGMOL? Is he still on their payroll? Or just golfing with them on the weekends?
If you kicked someone like that down the high street it would result in jail time
Not if you played the ball 😂
LOL
This situation occurs so often that it seems that there is a conspiracy against Liverpool
. How come most of the referees makes the same mistake
Because most of the refs are at the age when they grew up being ManU supporters during the noughties
Does not seem like a "mistake" any more does it?
Gakpo studded hard in the chest earlier this year for no call. But Jones reviewed after going over the ball. Then recently we have Caicedo "skiing" on Gravenberch ankle for Ryan to be stretchered off -- no foul. Here again, studs hard into Macca after he chests the ball -- no foul.
the conspiracy is against all the teams who might win the title, except mancity of course
Funny how it’s perfectly ok for VAR to change the on-field ref when it came to Diaz v Spurs, Curtis Jones red card.. but people will still type “livarpool”
Because most team are not like Liverpool, they are jealous for sure, there's nothing to say about it
The people saying penalty are City fans and most who hate Liverpool. If that was Liverpool who committed the foul, the whole country should be screaming penalty that’s the truth.
And this is exactly why people are getting peed off with VAR, when it's not VAR they need to be angry with, it's the incompetent referees. Never got the ball first, high foot, penalty all day long.
You can almost forgive the Michael Oliver for the initial call because he was standing behind Mac Allister, but wasn't the whole point of VAR supposed to be to be able to give the referee the option of making better decisions with more viewable angles? Not even giving the ref the option of double checking that is inexcusable given that players have frequently been sent off for going studs first into people and the ball comes off Mac Allister first
No, you cannot forgive Oliver because he was arrogant enough to ignore going to the monitor, it almost makes it look like he had an agenda awarding to penalty for Liverpool. He is the sole responsible for the miss call.
Oliver is part of the corrupt system
He simply turned a blind eye
@@samnedumedja5323 was he requested to view the monitor? I’d love to hear the audio
A foot that high, endangering the opponent,not a foul.Pathetic ref who don't know the rules of the game.
people keep saying "anywhere else on the pitch it would be a foul", but why does it matter where it is? that's not the rule! the rule doesn't say it's a higher bar in the box. and things like "it's a big game, it would be controversial" is even more ridiculous, just follow the rules, that's the whole point of having rules
whats ur point? its always a pen or you always back the ref?
Because in the pen area it's a pen😂
Should have gone to the monitor.corruption
Liverpool have lost 6 points to some massive decisions going against them. The player should have been sanctioned for dangerous play. Going into a challenge with your studs up like that could have seriously injured his opponent. I'm personally appalled by this incident.
Same as Man City
@@hdr23 and that makes it okay? It absolutely doesn't. Refs this season absolutely shocking
only 6 points?
More than 6
It's at least 7 points
I don't even know why there is controversy here. This is a penalty. Studs up in the chest is a foul, period.
Also FIFA playing the "play the ball no foul" is BS. They are giving yellow cards on slide tackles where the player went in cleats first, got the ball, then slid through the man. Even if the attacker jumps over the tackle, they'll still give a card for going in cleats up.
Doku went in cleats up above the waist. There is no way this is not a foul.
Doku doesn't even get the ball
It hits off MacAllister's chest and then hits Doku
The fact Dermot and half of social media are still pedalling this just goes to show this sport is littered with braindead casuals who are too busy staring at their phone instead of actually watching the replays let alone games
If MacAllister did that to Doku their box. No question
"Prrrrrrtttttt, Penalty to City!"
But it's City, if 115 violations can't bother them, then an opposing player shouldn't be touching them inside the box.
Bruv fR..sad truth
Pretty wide split on whether it was a penalty or not Dermot?! Really?! Not in any online comment section I've seen!
So Liverpool lost potentially 9 points (Tottenham away goal, Arsenal handball, and this) for VAR being dumb?
And gained 10 points against City,Chelsea, Brentford ,Forest from bad calls
@@GermanChickenwing They dont wanna be bogged down by facts m8
not even close to the cases against Liverpool, very minor mistakes like every match. the worst calls of the season are against one team. that's not normal.@@GermanChickenwing
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Which bad call against City did we gain a point from? Also, were you as upset that Forest got the EXACT same bad call in their favour in the first half (only they didn't score from it because,.....LIVERPOOL CLEARED THEIR LINES AS FOREST SHOULD HAVE), or nah?
I'm guessing, nah.
@@Cbricklyne Because Forest didnt clear their lines does not make it the right call..If the right call was made Nunez would not have scored that goal.. That goal against Alisson was never a foul
I'm sick of the "re-refereeing" nonsense.. VAR should be there to correct mistakes regardless of what the ref thought he saw. "The ref tells VAR he saw Doku get to the ball so it's not a clear an obvious error" - yes it is mate, this doesn't make any sense. We've seen all season long that getting the ball doesn't negate the follow-through foul and we've known for decades that studs at chest-level followed by contact is always a foul. How is it not a clear and obvious error? The mental gymnastics they have to go through to minimise the work and usefulness of VAR is insane
Penalty all day. If you slow down the footage Macallister touches the ball first. Go and watch the replay.
It's not like they didn't see it, they're just finding excuses as always.
VAR and EPL don't want Liverpool to win the league so many clear error's going against them this season!
Nobody wants liverpool to win the league!.. As a City fan I'd rather utd won it than the whinging scouse crybabies!!!
@@englanduk6131 You mean 'crybabies' like kdb when he was subbed off? 😂
@@7hansel7 that was anger not crying.... Scousers should be glad, city would have won if pep would have left him on instead of pulling him off to protect him for much bigger games!!!
Its so obvious 🙄
Not just this season !
This has been happening since Hillsborough, mark my words.
Literally there is a rule in the books that classifies this as a penalty. This is not up for subjective debate. This is not two guys going for the ball on the ground.
he got the ball first plus there was zero intent
ref was spot on
@@mjimleeHe literally does not get the ball first lmao. It bounces off Mac's chest first and then onto Doku's foot. Watch it again
@@mjimleeWrong. He doesn't get the ball first. Watch on slow motion on the replay.
Michael Oliver recently traveled to the UAE to referee a game and was paid by the same people who own Manchester City. This raises concerns about a conflict of interest, as he may be inclined to avoid decisions that could upset his paymasters.
@MrLoop-lp8gy mcallister does get the ball first. Literally go watch it and put it in slow motion, yes youtube has this option ffs
I think the debate would normally be is this a yellow or a red, not if its a foul or not. If it wasn't Liverpool v City theres a 100% chance it would be a penalty. The refs didn't want to make a decision that would impact the title race
I think it’s more remembering who pays them in bribes. They didn’t want to give it against Citeh for that reason.
He literally has made a decision that impacts the title race he “decided “ not to give a clear penalty.
@@petebyrne5190 The VAR "decided" to not intervene because they were scared. The ref couldn't really make the decision on the field as he couldn't see.
But it has impacted the title race 😡
The refs didn't want to make a decision that would keep city out of a title race ☑️
Should have, could have, would have.. We're in March and we are still hearing this . I don't believe it
This guy doesn't take any side of the football teams, but he always takes the side of referees.
Curtis Jones got the ball first at Spurs. He got sent off. Same thing.
you can tell Gallagher gets invited to Howard Webb's free evenings dinners, he doesn't want to upset his former referee friend!
Mac Allister touches the ball first, it hits his shoulder first!
Even so can shoulder score goal then 😂😂😂
History shows us British refs are scared of making big calls. Howard Webb nearly cost Spain a world cup of being afraid of making big calls. Here even Dermot is scared calling a spade a spade....
It's a penalty. It doesn't matter if he played ball he was reckless and dangerous. This is not a debate it's a fact.
So as long as you’re playing the ball it’s not a foul?? That’s confusing cause you see so many reds given for standing tackles where the player clearly is playing the ball but the boot bounces off the top and endangers the other player, what’s the difference here?
The difference is that you are playing the city.
firstbgame of the season as well.....The handball against Jackson 😂 i have receipt and evidence for everything if Liverpool does not win the league
Shall we get this right, Doku did not get the ball--the ball comes OFF MacAllisters shoulder and THEN onto the leg of Doku so there is NO contact from Doku onto the ball---result, PENALTY
Even if Doku gets it its still a penalty.
This clip has just proved that idiots with vested interest to protect there mates or who knows maybe making sure city win the title again are trying to justify the unjustifiable.
I watched the Rugby at the weekend, they have eliminated this type of issue by ensuring the outcomes in games are as accurate to the events that take place as possible. As usual City get the benefits of horrific decisions against LFC
High kick, studs into body inside the box is unacceptable and very dangerous
Here is the difference for the fools saying we are just complaining. Liverpool has lost 7 points due to clear and obvious bad decisions from referees in a title race that might be defined by a point!! but here is an example: Jones goes for a 50/50 challenge, kicks the ball from the side and his foot bounces of it and hits the shin of the opponent; the referee gives a yellow; immediately after, VAR calls the referee to the monitor and shows a slow motion shot of the foot hitting the shin; they never show the other angle where you clearly see the foot hitting the ball and then bouncing of it....referee gives a red card. Here Doku goes ninja kick into a challenge, if you watch the replay you can see that Alexis actually touches the ball a fraction before Doku and the he gets kicked studs into the chest....VAR nothing!! how in the hell is this not injustice...and its not the first time, or second time or third time this season.....
How can he say it would be whatever the ref decided first? Jones was given a yellow at spurs and overturned to a red.
Dermot blaming Doku for making a mistake and putting the referee under pressure. You couldn’t make this up 😂
Yet another Ref Watch where Dermott Gallagher adds absolutely nothing
Carefully avoids clarifying the rules, in order to avoid implying a referee made a mistake.
Studds up, clearly a penalty, and studs up straight red . Simple
Not automatically a red, no. But obviously that is an offense that should be carded.
How about when Curtis jones foot rolled off the ball and because of that studs struck foot of defender . Why red and not this ?
It's a penalty! Sadio Mane was sent off for an offense like this! Studs are up and his leg is too high! Michael Oliver bottled it!
Total nonsense. There was no need of discussing about it because it was a clear penalty and I totally agree with Klopp's comments
Bottom line is Oliver bottles it... literally 2 metres away and whether he touched the ball or not, you can clearly see a high boot AND contact with the player.
If you argue the "first ball than ok" you can kick somebody in the balls when touching the ball first, you can kick somebody in the head as well...
Ya next time as they go for the ball first , no matter how bad or dangerous for the tackles, there will be no foul 😂 I'm not against var i just dislike the double standards. This can be happened to Liverpool next time will be whatever team
Yep lol. Well you might as well go up into the air with your head, win the ball, and then elbow in face afterwards. Referee logic, that's completely fine. What a joke
@@jamesh1597531 hahahhahahahahahhaahha - exactly
yes exactly next time Halland chests the ball just do a flying two footed lunge, scrape the ball and leave him with a puncture lung, but I touched the ball ref! utter nonsense; have they tippexed Law 12 out of the rules suddenly
They should go watch how VAR was used during the AFCON.
Exactly.
Why was the ref so quick to tell VAR that Doku played the ball?
So 50% refs say yes, 50% refs would say no. Football is in great hands
Diabolical officiating
Goalscoring opportunity ? nope
@@mcfcguvnorsyou think nunez dived as well, no amount of science will ever fix your mental illness. Make sure to neuter yourself to prevent the chances of it being passed on genetically
@@mcfcguvnorsit’s a pen literally kicked him the chest
@@mcfcguvnors dont be an idiot. it is dangerous play
Jota against Tottenham and jota was sappose to get redcard to what comes goes around
Its stupid that VAR doesn't just invite the ref go to the monitor and make up his own mind with the benefit of the other angle. Doesn't have to be a clear and obvious error to warrant another look.
That’s my issue, why was he not sent the monitor with a freeze frame like fir Curtis Jones Red against Spurs
what's funny is, as much as this a pen. The odegaard handball is the most obvious pen not given to us. Odegaard cleared the ball with his hand, any objective person would see that.
During the Carabao Cup finals, Van Dijk scored a header from either a free kick or a corner kick I can't remember exactly and the goal was disallowed cos there was a contact far away from where the ball was directed and see Mac Allister been pushed away that led to Man City's goal and nothing was done about it and here, what's supposed to crown our efforts for all the struggles and hopes for the entire 90 minutes, referee and VAR blew it up and you think it's normal?
That can only happen in Europe, not in Africa and definitely not in Nigeria, in our own front.😢
Didn't Mike Dean say he didn't go to VAR to protect his mate? If he would do that why wouldn't he go to VAR or make decisions to punish teams or managers he doesn't like?
Made a full weeks worth of shows on a drop ball against Forest. This being brushed under the rug
Sane got the ball, got a red card
Curtis got the ball, got a red card
Jota got a red card for 'intent'...! 🤬
The funny thing is:
Doku did NOT get the ball.
Mac Allister got the ball, the ball just bounced off Mac Allister and hit Doku's toe on the way down.
My interpretation is that it is more plausible and easier to prove it was a foul than the opposite which is not to give a penalty.
Corruption at the highest level..
Rodri got a penalty when Hojlund touched his shoulder. Complete inconsistent nonsense.
He got part of the ball and his momentum followed through and Curtis Jones was sent off…Opps wrong game😂😂