Algo conversations are the best. I only want the matches to be fun. Getting trippled hard countered is just piss poor programing. Wasting 4 or 5 minutes only to feel like you never had a chance is why only 5% of pogo players play GBL
I really wonder why players constantly deny an algorithm by saying "you're just not good enough to beat matchups". Two things can be true. You can still overcome bad team comps, or lose to favorable ones, neither of those guarantees wins. This is why good players can repeatedly hit high ranks but weaker players cannot. However, an algorithm in a public f2p game makes perfect sense from a development standpoint as far as making it fair. I can't see why Niantic wouldn't want to keep the game as balanced as it can be for all players.
Because there is no algorithm in terms of things like leads and type matchups. The only “algorithm” is the matchmaking system which puts you against opponents of similar rating.
@@jonsnow3919 there could be two algorithms, one that targets matchups and another than focuses on ELO. From a development standpoint, this would allow weak players to still get wins based merely off chance, but good players will be able to climb and overcome them. This game is a business, so making a system that keeps it balanced for the majority of players makes perfect sense. Otherwise, you end up with a large percentage of the player base that doesn't bother with GBL because they can't compete with the hardcore players.
There is most definitely a pairing algorithm used on the back-end. However, we’re just not sure if that algorithm takes into account the Pokémon you selected, or just your ELO.
I think there is an algorithm, though I don't think it's as simple as some people purport. I think matchmaking is based on how long you've been using a team and your win rate, in part, as well as typing of mons and moves. So this way the game can force you to build more Pokemon = more grinding for stardust and candy, and that way they have a better chance of making money off pvp
Thank you for showing this video and exposing the algorithm! The amount of games where you've lost lead and hard-countered on the safe swap is outrageous. And the XL Seaking is the icing on the cake.
Bro 5 poison types in a row and then the Seaking on poison jab wtf😂😂😂 commentary was hilarious though and extremely relatable. I had an opponent somehow sneak an incinerate on me and CMP tie me at the same exact time yesterday. The game is shit
😂😂😂 loved it mate we all questionned ourselves about that algorithm when that shit happens. Btw, Poliwrath shields on Gliscor because they wan't the debuff on the potential Aerial Ass ;) so next time maybe consider a bait the first time 😂
Sometimes I wonder if there’s some team comp algorithm when I’m getting hard countered or hard countering people constantly. But then I remember it’s Niantic and they can’t even make the game’s core features work right half of the time, so what are the chances they’d be able to create a complex matchmaking algorithm that never breaks? That aside, it’s just kind of the nature of team building that your back line supports your lead, so being hard countered in the lead means you will likely be hard countered in the back too. That’s why ABB teams are so fun, because they kind of break normal team building and are designed to overcome bad leads, and ironically underperform in good leads.
I do believe there is some system in play that considers team match ups and win streaks, dont think it is designed around the leading mons, that is still just a coinflip. Maybe this was just karma for you using tap tap tap A rough day at the office
Had absolut the same Experience Today. Got my Ass kicked badly 😂😂. But Nice to see some of this being overcome. Not the poke ak style rage forfeit 😂. On his channel this would have been a 2 Minute Video 😂😂
@@Jamiefin1415 absolute the same for me. In this easy alignment Match ups oppenents tend to commit more stupid mistakes than in close games by my ecperience and winning These Games just feels great 🤘
I run A9 as well in UL but I would never lead with it. It has WAAAYYY too many counters.. it also basically loses to everything that's not dragon, dark, or fighting. I only use it to counter the Cresselia and Giratina Safe Swaps.
Algorithm just makes the game very frustating and boring, and it's quite unfair for casual players who doesnt have XL mons. Without XL pokes is really dificult to overcome a hard 3 counter algo team
As a software developer, ive always found it funny when youtubers say there isnt an algo...i feel everyone is so focused on not trying to sound like PokeAK that they take this stance. Let me tell you there is 100% an algo. You need it to ensure balanced matchmaking. That said, it can definately be overcome from good team building and increased battling skill.q PS that incinerate snuck through on you because you had 1 turn delay
It’s not that there is no algorithm at all, it’s about what people mean when they say algorithm. Obviously there’s an ELO system to make for a more balanced matchmaking experience. The people that whine about the algorithm mean that there is some coding that intentionally matches players up against hard-counter matchups in order to keep certain people down or ensure 50/50 W/L ratios, which is much more dubious. That’s what people are referring to when they say there is “no algorithm.”
You are both right. Its based on ELO, but for games with typing advantages and disadvantages, there is also an element of matchmaking with neutral, effective, and ineffective pokemon based on party. Its just inherent to the system. I just find it funny when people flat out say there isnt one...there is...and its not hard to see. PokeAK's rants have some truth to them, though he is on the very extreme side. But yeh im speaking from experience in game design and matchmaking sequencing and coding
Had a 60% win rate but couldn’t play for a week. Opened it up and went 1-9. Hard countered every match. Since I was screwed decided to run a shitty team with all the lowest rated Pokémon. Game errored out finding a match 5 times in a row. So the algorithm does look at your Pokémon and decides if it’s going to screw you over or not. Ended up going 2-5 with that team beating someone who was running a worse team than mine and the other one quitting. So ended up resetting game data and everything went back to normal. I think it would be better if the damn algorithm just matched you with similar players regardless of what Pokémon you are using but instead Niantic is trying to force parity.
17:15 wtf ? 2 wings attack but incinerate got sneak throw, I think you lag a turn before for first wing attack maybe or something like that, but is so annoying, in your case you still pull up the win, but for me I got destroyed so many times by lag. But it is what it is, I will still continue to play this game because is so funny even if is so buggy. Hard counter Algorithm is true, but we have to fight for our win cond, any time the opponent can make a huge mistake
The human brain is adept at finding patterns where there are none. It's what allowed us to strive as a species, what makes us geniuses and, ironically enough, what makes us dumbasses. It's one of our primal instincts and, as such, absolutely cannot be relied on for judgement. Even if you lose the lead 10 times or 100 times in a row. Maybe your lead is shit. Maybe you unwillingly ignore the good leads you get. Maybe you're unlucky. Whatever the reason is, there's no algorithm and never was.
If you win alot. The game will punish you. With loss after loss. Early play at go battle. Wins are easy. Later in game. It will force you to either power up. Change your team. All to make you spend more time and resouces. Players who say, 'your just not good enought.' Either spent more money and time. Or are using seaking programs to troll for win and reward. Seeing my game glitch out after getting to 18 stars. Is a tell tail. 5 to 6 seconds to find opponent? Slow conection. Lol. I am using my home internet. Fast as F.
When you have players who troll with there computer with a few 100 accounts at a time. You will lose everytime. Watch other youtuber expose this. Niantic dose nothing to fix this. I stopped playing go battle due to this one reason. Can't beat a computer. Bro
The algorithm affects everyone, Ive learned, playing at certain times of the day are easier, switching your team to many time an you will be hard countered harder an harder, the algorithm is the reason unbalanced team do better
That person using seaking is the algorithm
🤣🤣🤣
What a cool pick for ultra
Except for all the scrubs who use the silly electric fish in ultra 😂
The Algorithm decided to punish Jamie severely for using a tap-tap charmer.
Hahaha I deserved it
Algo conversations are the best. I only want the matches to be fun. Getting trippled hard countered is just piss poor programing. Wasting 4 or 5 minutes only to feel like you never had a chance is why only 5% of pogo players play GBL
All pokemon franchises have low participation for PVP. The main series and card game are the same
This is my experience with GBL every fucking day.
I really wonder why players constantly deny an algorithm by saying "you're just not good enough to beat matchups". Two things can be true. You can still overcome bad team comps, or lose to favorable ones, neither of those guarantees wins. This is why good players can repeatedly hit high ranks but weaker players cannot.
However, an algorithm in a public f2p game makes perfect sense from a development standpoint as far as making it fair. I can't see why Niantic wouldn't want to keep the game as balanced as it can be for all players.
Because there is no algorithm in terms of things like leads and type matchups. The only “algorithm” is the matchmaking system which puts you against opponents of similar rating.
@@jonsnow3919 there could be two algorithms, one that targets matchups and another than focuses on ELO. From a development standpoint, this would allow weak players to still get wins based merely off chance, but good players will be able to climb and overcome them. This game is a business, so making a system that keeps it balanced for the majority of players makes perfect sense. Otherwise, you end up with a large percentage of the player base that doesn't bother with GBL because they can't compete with the hardcore players.
“HALLELUJAH DRAGONITE!” 😂😂
There is most definitely a pairing algorithm used on the back-end. However, we’re just not sure if that algorithm takes into account the Pokémon you selected, or just your ELO.
I think there is an algorithm, though I don't think it's as simple as some people purport. I think matchmaking is based on how long you've been using a team and your win rate, in part, as well as typing of mons and moves.
So this way the game can force you to build more Pokemon = more grinding for stardust and candy, and that way they have a better chance of making money off pvp
Anytime this starts happening to me I just change the order up for example I’d put the swampert first to beat the hard counter in the back hopefully
Thank you for showing this video and exposing the algorithm! The amount of games where you've lost lead and hard-countered on the safe swap is outrageous. And the XL Seaking is the icing on the cake.
The only thing we can guarantee is that if a algorithm exist is that it isnt working properly as originally intended.
Bro 5 poison types in a row and then the Seaking on poison jab wtf😂😂😂 commentary was hilarious though and extremely relatable. I had an opponent somehow sneak an incinerate on me and CMP tie me at the same exact time yesterday. The game is shit
I was laughing so hard when I saw seaking
Nah what was this😂😂😂😂
1:24 they really need to check out your channel after that battle 😅😂😜
😂😂😂 loved it mate we all questionned ourselves about that algorithm when that shit happens. Btw, Poliwrath shields on Gliscor because they wan't the debuff on the potential Aerial Ass ;) so next time maybe consider a bait the first time 😂
Haha, I always no shield the first move
I can't bring myself to bait. I'll be mortified if it gets called 😂😂😂😂
@@Jamiefin1415 i feel that 😂
Both queen teams looked like they wanted to bait out the gator.
Sometimes I wonder if there’s some team comp algorithm when I’m getting hard countered or hard countering people constantly.
But then I remember it’s Niantic and they can’t even make the game’s core features work right half of the time, so what are the chances they’d be able to create a complex matchmaking algorithm that never breaks?
That aside, it’s just kind of the nature of team building that your back line supports your lead, so being hard countered in the lead means you will likely be hard countered in the back too. That’s why ABB teams are so fun, because they kind of break normal team building and are designed to overcome bad leads, and ironically underperform in good leads.
I don’t know if I’m watching GBL or 50 shades of algorithm
I was waiting for wall face to pop up in the lead!
Niantic sure hates tap tap charmer user, even the opponents' swampert's running sludge wave 😂
I got destroyed today too… last few sets from hitting elo I was getting bombarded with the biggest counters.. time to take a break lol
Honestly the fact you got some wins from those matches shows how good you are. I'd have rage quit pretty much all of them haha
To be fair, the games I won were mostly down to displays from my opponents
I do believe there is some system in play that considers team match ups and win streaks, dont think it is designed around the leading mons, that is still just a coinflip.
Maybe this was just karma for you using tap tap tap
A rough day at the office
Anyone else running Dragonite find like 20 aslash leads?
17:50 thats why we actually love bros channel
would have loved to see the reaction after getting acid sprayed lol
Had absolut the same Experience Today. Got my Ass kicked badly 😂😂. But Nice to see some of this being overcome. Not the poke ak style rage forfeit 😂. On his channel this would have been a 2 Minute Video 😂😂
I always play until I see the 3rd. I did top left a lot of games, but if I had a chance, I'd play it out
@@Jamiefin1415 absolute the same for me. In this easy alignment Match ups oppenents tend to commit more stupid mistakes than in close games by my ecperience and winning These Games just feels great 🤘
I run A9 as well in UL but I would never lead with it. It has WAAAYYY too many counters.. it also basically loses to everything that's not dragon, dark, or fighting. I only use it to counter the Cresselia and Giratina Safe Swaps.
Too bad that one dragonite lead didn’t give you the pleasure of a proper win
That player must have been having a worse day than me
Algorithm just makes the game very frustating and boring, and it's quite unfair for casual players who doesnt have XL mons. Without XL pokes is really dificult to overcome a hard 3 counter algo team
Heykig of shaow pokemon!!! , i have a question, should i poweer up this gligar i have its a 3/12/13 it powers up to 1500 on the dot
*hey the king of shadow pokemon 😊
I wonder how many people knows the Bruce Forsyth's reference😅 I guessed I'm old af like u finn🤣
GOAT doing GOAT things
I baited with an Annihilape twice and got double night slash boosts and swept a team
As a software developer, ive always found it funny when youtubers say there isnt an algo...i feel everyone is so focused on not trying to sound like PokeAK that they take this stance. Let me tell you there is 100% an algo. You need it to ensure balanced matchmaking. That said, it can definately be overcome from good team building and increased battling skill.q
PS that incinerate snuck through on you because you had 1 turn delay
Matchmaking could be on elo not pokemon used.
It’s not that there is no algorithm at all, it’s about what people mean when they say algorithm. Obviously there’s an ELO system to make for a more balanced matchmaking experience. The people that whine about the algorithm mean that there is some coding that intentionally matches players up against hard-counter matchups in order to keep certain people down or ensure 50/50 W/L ratios, which is much more dubious. That’s what people are referring to when they say there is “no algorithm.”
You are both right. Its based on ELO, but for games with typing advantages and disadvantages, there is also an element of matchmaking with neutral, effective, and ineffective pokemon based on party. Its just inherent to the system. I just find it funny when people flat out say there isnt one...there is...and its not hard to see. PokeAK's rants have some truth to them, though he is on the very extreme side. But yeh im speaking from experience in game design and matchmaking sequencing and coding
@@mutantpolarbear4626BS
I'm rank 8 and got triple hard countered almost every single match last night 😂 I switched up my team multiple times too
Jamie Finn using charm😮. And believing the algorithm 😮
Wheres the real Jamie Finn?? Who is this geezer?
I believe he has believed in the algorithm for a while now.
My honet thoughts are I don't really care if there is or isn't
I'm just here for the entertainment
I've been running into the same issue...
Had a 60% win rate but couldn’t play for a week. Opened it up and went 1-9. Hard countered every match. Since I was screwed decided to run a shitty team with all the lowest rated Pokémon. Game errored out finding a match 5 times in a row. So the algorithm does look at your Pokémon and decides if it’s going to screw you over or not. Ended up going 2-5 with that team beating someone who was running a worse team than mine and the other one quitting. So ended up resetting game data and everything went back to normal. I think it would be better if the damn algorithm just matched you with similar players regardless of what Pokémon you are using but instead Niantic is trying to force parity.
A protect shield, is just a shield
20 Mins of Jamie being punished… 😅
I deserve it 😂😂😂
I saw a ho-oh today in UL what's going on is this the master league 😂
I believe in the algorithm, just gotta deal with it. But luckily today the algorithm was in my favor.
17:15 wtf ? 2 wings attack but incinerate got sneak throw, I think you lag a turn before for first wing attack maybe or something like that, but is so annoying, in your case you still pull up the win, but for me I got destroyed so many times by lag. But it is what it is, I will still continue to play this game because is so funny even if is so buggy. Hard counter Algorithm is true, but we have to fight for our win cond, any time the opponent can make a huge mistake
It's s frustrating experience at times
When the game works as intended it really is awesome
Nerfing EQ was a mistake tbh.
I currently have 280 Goldeen XLs and 2 hundos. Soon my darlings, soon.
I have always believed in the algo. Its to keep u at 50% win rate. Also i believe its cuz your using charm lol ive never seen so many lost leads 😂
Waiting for Poke AK to pipe up 😂😂
He would be at 300k if he stopped complaining and actually played like he used to.
@@BIGUGLYTROLL absolutely!
Negativity and rambling incesant nonesense really is tiresome.
Bugs me even when Jonkus dosent like a team aha.
If I'm being completely honest here this would be me too lol 😅
The human brain is adept at finding patterns where there are none. It's what allowed us to strive as a species, what makes us geniuses and, ironically enough, what makes us dumbasses. It's one of our primal instincts and, as such, absolutely cannot be relied on for judgement. Even if you lose the lead 10 times or 100 times in a row. Maybe your lead is shit. Maybe you unwillingly ignore the good leads you get. Maybe you're unlucky. Whatever the reason is, there's no algorithm and never was.
Confirmation bias is the algorithm
All those lost leads are atrocious lol, no way that many people are sick of poli and all turned to nido
I cant remember the ladt time I saw nido in open can't believe I saw 2 in the same set
Are u using a charmer lol?
If you win alot. The game will punish you. With loss after loss. Early play at go battle. Wins are easy. Later in game. It will force you to either power up. Change your team. All to make you spend more time and resouces. Players who say, 'your just not good enought.' Either spent more money and time. Or are using seaking programs to troll for win and reward. Seeing my game glitch out after getting to 18 stars. Is a tell tail. 5 to 6 seconds to find opponent? Slow conection. Lol. I am using my home internet. Fast as F.
Yeah, higher ranks means more players with fully built mons which takes a while to achieve. Just a timegate. And 5-6 seconds for matchmaking is normal
I think I enjoy your commentating even more when you get shit on haha
I can’t understand anything he’s saying wtf lol
09:55 you shoulda said please be thick 😅
I use seaking :( I use fish
When you have players who troll with there computer with a few 100 accounts at a time. You will lose everytime. Watch other youtuber expose this. Niantic dose nothing to fix this. I stopped playing go battle due to this one reason. Can't beat a computer. Bro
F the computers. bro
Walr what do you mean? I never heard of this
I think they should do a bring 6 pick 3 style pvp, an get rid of the algorithm bs
The algorithm affects everyone, Ive learned, playing at certain times of the day are easier, switching your team to many time an you will be hard countered harder an harder, the algorithm is the reason unbalanced team do better