Chinese Martial Artists Test Out Their Skills - Footage Not Available In The West
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- Опубликовано: 29 сен 2019
- The MMA community has been so amazing in showing me some of their world. It turns out that the TCMA vs MMA matches have been going on for more than 10 years, so Xu wasn't the first to call out Chinese Kung Fu and other TMA. So in this compilation commentary critique, we look at one of the biggest MMA communities on Baidu and examine the clips shared there on style vs style matches. Big shoutout to the Chinese MMA fighters Kevin and Yang Yang for introducing me to the community and getting me all this exclusive footage.
Please check out the community here: c.tieba.baidu.com/f?kw=%E6%A0%...
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The videos in question:
Without gloves sparring (Kung Fu vs MMA)
c.tieba.baidu.com/p/5973061184
Kung Fu vs Karate
tieba.baidu.com/p/6002403072
MMA vs Kyokushin
tieba.baidu.com/p/6022349134
BJJ vs Kungfu
v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNTc2Mj...
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More information on the Karate vs MMA sparring at 2:33 That spar session was the Kyokushin fighter's first time testing his skills against MMA. He was not used to punches to the face because Kyokushin sparring only has kicks to the face, but considering it was his first time in this type of sparring, he did very well. I want to emphasize that just because he didn't do as well during his first spar session with an MMA person does not mean his training has no merit. Furthermore, the amount of respect between the two fighters is a great role model for style vs style intercommunications. I really like the focus on training and learning between the two. It's too rare. I personally have had people purposefully hurt me in this type of exchange. In fact, I've been suffering a neck injury for a month because of it. The footage at 7:49 is the same. I love the focus on learning and teaching.
is that a new intro?
PLEASE do videos of Kyokushin guys getting KO'ed when sparring with punches to the face. There are so many disillusioned kyokushin practictioners who don't believe that they have to train with punches to the face to be good at it. They really think they'll be able to wing it when the time comes. Hitting the head is an art in and of itself, and they look down on it. You gotta bring them back to reality.
2:33 It’s Muay Thai... and it’s beautiful. Blue dude had at least 2 years of Muay Thai practice. I seen people do worse with 3-4 years of Muay Thai practice. Thanks for posting
Unfortunately this Chinese Kyokushin karate- ka’s Master wasn’t taught by students of Kaicho Tadashi Nakamura or the late great Kaicho Shingeru Oyama. When these great Masters left Mas Oyama it was the start of Kyokushin decline. Many of Mas Oyama’s greatest students left to start their own organizations taking much of the magic with them. Jon Bluming who started Dutch kick boxing is Kyokushin. Kyokushin was design to defeat any Muey Thai fighter. Leg kicking is our thing as well as knee as and elbows. We don’t punch to the head because too busy kicking your head off.
@@lannelbishop3668 don't look on punches to the head. This is the most frequent attack in any fight regardless of style. It's still something you need to practice to be good at overall combat and not something you can just wing when the time comes. Any kyokushin karateka not sparring with headpunches are incomplete fighters.
The good sportsmanship is exactly what I like to see. I like viewing MMA and boxing as a positive way to develop and center yourself. This is wholesome.
Sarje Sinclaire sportsmanship has nothing to do with marial arts tho despite what hollywood or hong kong wants you to think lol
well if you're looking to develop and center yourself dude you really need to practice real martial arts. Western stuff doesn't teach that, that's why western is fighting technique and eastern is martial art.
The RESPECT between fighters in the last clip was very cool.
We need more of that.
Thx and thumbs up for the vid.
Agreed. I couldn't imagine how talented all martial artist's would be if they thought this way.
Third “fight” looks to be more of a spar. They are training it looks like.
What I learned:
A. Have something to spam to guage distance
B. Have a go to combo/s to decimate your oppnonent once in range.
C. Learn to take hits/spar
Now I think thats the basic stuff, most of the high level guys have learned some form of deception(i.e. distance deception, misdirection etc..)
I think you have shown how the basics are important as a foundation.
I myself am not that good, but I kinda want to know more about the high level stuff.
"All warfare is deception" - sun tzu
Nice. It all boils down to that. You've got a great grasp on the essential as far as strategy. Everything else is basically supplemantary to what you've said. I'm just an old man that's had a lifetime obsession with hand to hand combat and anything resembling it. The same strategies work in fighting games. It's all just a super complex game of peek a boo or whack a mole.
@@MegaMikeZero after reflecting with your analogy about the peekaboo/ whack-a-mole game, I came to the conclusion its also about stamina and mental toughness.
Its how better and how long you can play the whack-a-mole game.
I'll continue with that. Thank you.
@@hatejethro1164 In my opinion physical conditioning is critical. I do not mean fitness. I mean body toughness. If you get kicked in the leg and the pain is excruciating because you have not been kicked hard in the leg thousands of times and let the muscles and bones to work harden then a real hit will end you.
So the ability to take a punch and the learnt pain tolerance is important.
Full contact sparring often for the win.
You can teach flashy techniques for some variation on the odd occasion, but students need to know they are not likely to be combat useful.
One tip I have found to help considerably is to fight off-rhythm. When I was training boxing there was an Ex Pro named Taibo that would come in and decimate all of us. Clean slips (untouchable), perfect set ups, and no telegraphing at all. I was one of the last people to fight him and after the 2nd round it was painfully apparent I was not gonna hit him at all. So I used a jab which I flipped when I extended (essentially punching and rolling your elbow so after the initial strike you can reach farther and hit an already slipped opponent with the back of your knuckles).
This move was clearly unexpected and also blocked his vision which combined with the fact that he didn't think I could hit him allowed me to follow with a solid cross that pushed his head back. Granted he doubled up on me and kicked my ass, but my coach pulled me to the side and congratulated me for "thinking outside of the ring"
Ever since then I realized fighters like Emmanuel Augustus were really pioneers in a fighting style that's so lucid and weird most experts don't know how to go about engaging it because they have no prior experience fighting something like that.
@@YungL.i.X. I agree. My instructors have often told me to find the opponents rhythm and then to break that rhythm. Punching on half beats or putting pauses where they expect your strike can be very effective.
The Kyokushin and MMA guy was good stuff. I'm betting the karate guy def got some valuable information and practice from that. And despite the camera angle they did a good job of not straying off camera. Would love to see what his karate looks like a year down the road of doing this.
@cblackman11 I'm pretty sure he's only done kyokushin for 6 months to a year. it does look consistent with kyokushin, but I don't think he has any confidence in his kicks, and his spinning back kick was pretty poor (most beginner's spinning back kicks have the foot kind of falling down at an angle because people either don't have the flexibility to make it a right angle or don't have the balance to lean over to get it to a right angle). but everyone starts somewhere
@@elenchus Yeah, it looks like the guy wasn't very experienced. I think the MMA guy is actually just kickboxing, though we probably wouldn't know since they're on pavement and there were no grapple techniques. The MMA guy wears 16oz gloves, and not every MMA fighter makes a habit of weaving like that guy did. It depends on your background going into MMA.
The Kyokushin and MMA guy look like they're just doing light sparing.
Karate guy had less experience overall than the other guy, I think. He did good at defending, but his attacks were sloppy - especially the backkick/horse kick attempt.
@@anhquannguyen8190 at my MMA gym we train with boxing gloves about half the time, and I think in most gyms it's more
Kicks like that on snow?! That takes balance AND guts
It wasn't snow. It was a concrete courtyard. It's just the white balance in the video isn't good so it looks more like snow.
-Master the basics enough to have the rights to fight
-Fight enough to have the rights play
*You can't play before you even train the basics*
I snorted orange juice out of my nose when you said they were fighting on snow lol
Yup I would’ve done the same if I was drinking something.
Kyokushin guy looks like a biginner. The first karate guy was true kyokushin
Omar Silva yeah I do 极真 for quite a while. The first karate is a clear 极真.
@@joshualiu8551 I done it for 20 years, 1st Dan. But i am old and grey now. Still have the Gi tho... Osu!
Yep. First Karate guy was kyokushin. "Kyokushin guy" was blue belt at best. I'm a second degree kyokushin brown belt who hasn't trained it seriously in 6 years and I could've probably handled that "MMA guy" pretty easily... Although they were light sparring at best.
Also, the idea that you're going to throw axe kicks on an icy surface...lol.
Also, didn't you say this was in China? Is there really any good Kyokushin training in China?
rwaggs81 the thing is the MMA guy didn’t go for any takedowns and grappling, probably because they’re on what seems to be icy terrain. I’d say the MMA guy isn’t too much of a striker, there’s a lot less body movement than what I normally use and see (since I’m a striking based MMA fighter myself, I don’t go fro takedowns much, just takedown defense and also I am better at ground defense and reversals than anything.) of course I could be wrong. The MMA guy does have relatively less broad shoulders so I guess he may be more striking based, which just means he hasn’t been training for too long IMO. Grapplers usually have broader shoulders. And yeah it was light sparring. They had open palm hits, not closed fists like in actual matches.
I think the biggest problem is that Kung Fu and other traditional martial arts don't train to fight. We spar in my school, but I would never try to fight someone. We don't do it frequently enough. But the students who are more interested in it clearly do it more often on their own, because there are dudes there that can wreck me in a second. But if you're doing Kung Fu, you're probably doing drills and forms a lot. Fighting isn't the focus, and so it doesn't produce a lot of fighters. Unfortunately, it is martial, so a lot of practitioners just assume they can fight. The people who are serious about fighting in Kung Fu probably do Sanda, because it cuts out all the flair and extra stuff that may or may not be worth the time to invest in.
I don't think there's necessarily anything wrong with try to fight with Kung Fu. People just need to understand that forms aren't enough. Forms are meant to condition and to give you a catalog of moves. You might be able to throw a sick roundhouse above everyone's head, at the air. Or you might have an insane drop stance. But that doesn't matter in a fight. If you don't know practical applications, you've never tried to use any of it, and you've never felt what it's like to defend against someone that's trying to hit you and the face and head, you're gonna have a bad time.
I bet some of these "masters" have sick forms. And that's admirable. I love forms. They look awesome and they're hard as hell. But they don't make you a fighter. Watching a lot of these videos, I know I'd lost to a lot of/most of these people, but I've seen some where it was like, "Jesus, even I would have lasted longer than that." All it takes is at least SOME sparring to get rid of that fear of getting hit and locking up when they get aggressive.
@TJ Lundt "I have no need to train for 3x 5 minute rounds in an octagon where I'm forced to follow someone to the ground and do stupid things like pull guard or ground and pound. I"
Is it your impression that you get to decide when fights go to the ground?
Kyokushinkai is actually quite brutal, despite not hitting to the face during sanctioned bouts - probably with good reason, since the have full contact, but bare knuckle, no hand covering. That was actually just a casual sparring session, not a fight. They do have the usual Karate kicks, but focuses more on lower kicks.
The Karateka in the 2nd vid looks to be a practitioner of Kyokushin.
probly. defonitly spent some time sparring and not just doing katas. hah
karate does not usually use leg kicks. interesting
@@daviddollinss4766 Original Okinawan (Goju, Uechi, Shorin) Karate has leg kicks, it's the Karate we see today and for the last several decades that doesn't teach leg kicks.
We don't do leg kicks in my school either. So I practice them on my own.
@@daviddollinss4766 Take a look at this video and read the description. Many of the Okinawans were short in Stature, so they had to get up close on an attacker.
ruclips.net/video/Xz2LQY4Da6g/видео.html
the first kick was a round kick to the leg. the video you linked had only one but it was used has leg sweep. the leg kick looked like muy thai likely traditional style. the punch follow up looks similar to mma but karate in that hits to the body instead of face . if you know of any karate videos that use that type round kick link it please
I like when ego goes out the door and you see someone showing the other person how
Nice clips - I like the last one especially. Keep doing this stuff!
"props to the mma guy for not going xu xiadong or charlie zelanoff on this guy" LOLOLOLOLOLOLOOLOL
Glad you like my commentary!
I loved the last one. That is what it's all about: Sharing information.
that last clip shows why mma is so good its mixed you can learn a lot of from all the disciplines. strictly one style will never beat all best parts of all the styles
Good stuff as always man. Love to see martial arts in general with fun haha great comments
Just really odd. I have practiced Kung Fu for 15 years and we spar as hard as these fights on a regular basis.
It appears as if many Kung Fu clubs are not sparring. I think it is critical as we have lost the usual pressure testing that Kung Fu used to have. A hundred years ago Kung Fu students got regular pressure testing through cross style challenges all the time - most towns had rings set up specifically for these challenges. many Kung Fu students also fought regularly in street fights.
Now that this competition has been removed and the street fighting much more likely to put you in prison a lot of Kung Fu schools seem to have not realised they need to replace that with something. This is something Muay Thai has kept up - competitions. BJJ has done the same.
So any Kung Fu instructors out there or even students please add serious full contact pressure testing back into you art. Otherwise the world is likely to lose these skills. If we end up with only MMA being taught the world will be poorer for it. Not saying MMA is bad. Just saying that losing ancient arts is never a good thing.
Sanda is a Chinese martial art that is focused on the battle testing aspect of Kung Fu
@@snazdogdbfan251 Yep Sanda is good. What I am seeking is that more traditional styles - not only Chinese styles add pressure testing to their training.
This is the best I’ve ever read. Good points. Thanks
Not all Kung Fu people want to fight they pick what they want to focus on. If you just want to fight then just fight.
@@philipmontanti7344 No that is not okay - Kung Fu clubs need to be sparring as well. Otherwise they will disappear forever. The skills they present were used in the past for real life and death fighting. So there is no doubt they are usable. But without each individual testing them through sparring it is not possible to understand how to use the techniques.
Yes there are a small number of students who do martial arts for non self defense reasons. But they are no where near enough to maintain a healthy martial environment. The vast majority expect a martial art to work for self defense - so they need to head this direction.
(high pitch voice) Oh my goossh Jerry ... that ending was the best ... Each one teach one .... learn, adapt and apply...
This kung fu people doesn't have any skills
They need to spar more often
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Yes thats true, so many schools, especially in china focus only ofn the 'form' - such a waste of time lol
The funniest part is that Kung Fu practitioners who do spar should be telling them this the most. The lack of listening is appalling.
@@joeaverage8564 sanda is considered sparring, my teacher threw boxing gloves at me when i told him i wanted to Spar, i was a bit confused, he then taught us sanda, which looked a lot like kickboxing, i didnt like it at first then i fell in love with it, my teacher told us that is the way kung fu fights in a sporting contest, i amnso glad i did, years later i could fight in k1 rules event with changing very little about what i practiced
@@TheScotchaholic We do spar at our school. Our master firmly believes that if you never put what you learn into practice, you will never be able to use it in a stressfull or unexpected situation.
Kung fu tai chi and other china martial arts is really fucking joke. Bwhahhaha...
I actually love the exchange of information within within martial arts. Granted I'm not a purist, but I think it is a act of admiration or friendship if done respectfully.
Great commentary :)
2::07 "man karate is no joke" Godbless you dude! hope u'll become famous...
love you man! I subbed
That was good stuff! Thanks!
Love your vids. Thx
“Oh, my god Jerry!” 😂
it's full of stars
...look... at his... guard!
Wow the last one was cool. Much respect, too much toxicity between the martial arts.
“Looks like they’re on ice, no snow” it’s just concrete dude
Nice vid man. I like the positive end.
Loved this!
Last clip was great.
Agreed on the combos. Have 3 or 5 nailed down combos of lets say 3 to 7 moves each , combining different heights and moves, and you got yourself an arsenal to work with.
Your imitation voice is the best. Please keep doing it! It's hilarious hahahaha
"we don't have two eyes... One, on top of another" he he he..
It's nice to see them showing respect. I always try to show respect in sparring and competitions. Even street fights I try to be friendly afterwards haha
NICE that last match was great! The kung fu guy did really good on the ground even whiteout good ground background.
Chinese kyokushin karate guy didn't have much training time. Nice video as always.
1:43, I love how the guy filming behind adjust his progress of getting up and leaving according to how the fight goes. lmao.
“He’s got his stances” lol
i like the guys sparring outside in the snow(i think). respect to both of them.
Karate is the only martial art I ever payed attention too.
Straight forward simple and strong.
Mix it with a little boxing defense and foot movement. Those karate deflection have served me real well in my boxing too.
It seems karate has a stigma around it though. It’s the “kids martial art”. A lot of fake instructors out there too.
About getting thrown like a rag doll. Funny story. One day when I was training at ARMA Denton, a German Longsword group, I was sparring the senior member. We ended up in a grappling situation and he grabbed my arm and twirled me. I got spun like, five times. It was hilarious! It looked like, or at least felt like it was straight out of the Three Stooges! XD
Where can I send you clips? I would love some advice on my sparring.
I really liked the last fight. Much respect to both fighters.
Thanks for ending it on a positive note!
*jab - low kick*
"LOOK AT THOSE COMBOS!!" lmao
Great group of videos this time!
I was afraid at the beginning of the 2nd one when I saw they were in pavement, I didn't know it was just sparring.
Great video
Love your channel 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
I know I've come a year late but those were some great impressions
Everyone sleeps on karate, sometimes it doesn't get the recognition it deserves. But you gotta watch out for bad dojos, that's where I think the bad perception comes from
@@TheScotchaholic I'm at this karate dojo now, I used to do taekwondo. They are no slouches man
@@TheScotchaholic yes, totally. I really enjoy the footwork and the throws. They are different from tkd, the kicks and very similar
@@taekwondobro TKD comes from karate (specifically learned during the Japanese occupation of Korea), so there'll be a lot of similarities. There was a conscious effort in the '60s and '70s to sort of engineer TKD to be a distinct style, which is why they don't do traditional karate anymore (they made their own).
I think it was kind of the JKA. They wanted to create a sort of "global" set of rules that every style of karate could compete against each other with, and they basically agreed on point sparring. Once point sparring became the de facto method of winning karate competitions for the four major styles of Japanese karate, it was probably inevitable that their training would be geared for it. Still, point sparring is better than what wing chun guys experience (chi sao) and does have some value, and some karate styles never gave up free sparring.
@@taekwondobro That was Kyokushin
I guess it's available in the west now after posting this. Well actually the whole world now. Nice video.
There's a saying in silat, I don't remember what kind of silat..it said in fight: Lost the fight= Dead, Won the fight= Jailed, and Avoiding the fight= Really winning.
In the last one, the kung fu guy seemed like he probably took a few jiu jitsu classes. Probably not used to training or drilling regularly, but he knew some basics, like trying to control the bjj guy's wrists in full guard and trying to pin one arm by the armpit, knew to turn around when the bjj guy also got the RNC, stuck his head in between the legs to avoid the armbar (only to get trapped by the triangle), etc. Of course due to lack of practice or continued learning, he did not succeed, but it looked like he had SOME idea about basic survival that you might learn in your first few BJJ classes.
Karate guy in the second clip is a kyokushin karateka.
Kyokushin guy in the third clip doesn’t seem like a kyokushin at all.
Otherwise, another excellent video! Thanks! ❤️
Turns out the Kyokushin in the third clip has only been training for just under a year.
In Martial Arts so often when amateurs fight it's not the Martial Arts form but the guy who's using it. It all comes down to the person using the form.
Det Pikachu is coming on out on video in China?
Wrong on the “Kung fu guy doesn’t wanna get rag dolled.” BJJ shines on the ground. Their takedowns aren’t great.
The second to last fighter can use some boxing lessons, and know when to be aggressive. The last one was awesome. He seems like a beginner BJJ fighter, he could do well with a bit more training.
In desperate time ...sometimes we should twist opponent nipple ...till he surrender in submission
The Royal Tramp
I loved that respect!!!
What I got out of that and another videos is that practice and toughness. Hope that I don't look to much of an idiot by being once in a great place that supposed to teach fighting ,and giving it up and then starting again by myself with intuition..
Pretty sure that's not snow. That's beijings dust, or an old nong tang near construction
That last kung fu guy seems like he's got some talent at doing grappling, if that's his first time then he's doing pretty good.
I like the last two matches, its not like they want to knock or embarce the other they wanted to spar.
"Kyukoshin Guy didn't get destroyed by MMA Guy..." because MMA Guy decided not to. Honestly, it was obvious he could have wiped the alley with him, but is confident and secure enough in his own abilities that he knew there was no real point in burying a guy who has probably never sparred outside of his Dojo, much less outside of his own discipline. MMA guy showed a lot of integrity and class.
i like your critic impression
yup imma going to start my MMA again
Thx a lot
I appreciate the sportsmanship and training of the last fight and kyokushin fighters. Testing their skills will enhance them. If they don’t break their partners they can train with them again
The impressions where the best part of the video lol well apart from the last fight with the respect
Kyokushun vs. MMA was just gentleman’s sparring
Charlie Z had me rolling!!!
There is something missing in the triangle choke in the video. If I were the Kungfu guy, I would have lifted the mma guy and slammed him. To do the triangle choke more properly, you need to also grab behind your opponent's knee to prevent them from lifting you up.
anyone else click the ad at the end thinking it was on their video lol
Blue jacket just picked him apart 😂
Blue pants against BJJ should’ve tried setting up the triangle himself to really see the technique
The kung fu wanted no gloves... he could have atleast padded his face so the other doesnt get hurt bashing his skull in.
lol
That snow is called cement.
Those stair steps could burst a skull like a melon. Not a safe place to get knocked out!
Don't try this at home 😁
What happens when China watches too many of its own "flying kung fu" movies....... Gonna be a big awakening for alot of people sadly.
I especially like the ridiculous formation alot of their historical battle movies do lmao!
It is not about kung fu is bad, here the big problem is the following : 0 sparring exp.
Because I had watched many kung fu fighters who really know how to fight in a ring
Well Cinema is also part of the problem why Gungfu is kinda water down
Dont forget they have Sanda.
@shin chan How are they?
Stve Komandan , sanda/sanshou is the most effective Chinese kung fu
Weird, this footage is available to me, here in the west
At 9:46 the kung fu guy (who was fairly good to be without training in grappling, pulling of several escapes, though he constantly fed him his arms) could have easily ducked and pulled out of the triangle before it was set up.
The supposed kung fu guy in blue pants has some grappling experience
That first fight looked like schoolyard bullying 😂😂😂
Ahhh, I missed the volka jokes
there's like a requirement that there be at least one russian joke in every FCB video
This is the typical problem with kio kochun. They just stand there rather than actually blocking or dodging. They're so used to getting hammered over and over that they just stand there.
But....the body conditioning is no joke.
Funny thing is, the 'jiu jitsu guy' at the end is just a beginner.
Check out some of my fights by looking up Jordan Woodle. My primary stand up art is My Jhong Law Horn which is a northern shaolin style of kung fu. I’m 3-2 with two wins by way of knock out and one loss was a split decision loss to a decorated wrestler. Kung fu is great depending on which style but no matter what style you practice... you have to spar.
7:06 lol you know what, you actually have a very good point.
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maybe the first guy was going to hard, it could have been gentle sparring co it's bare knuckle of course, but the mma guy went full psycho cos he wants to look tough (MAYBE???, i'm not defending the kung fu guy at all. but just a theory)
- second vid: it's sad to see what kung fu has become, when Karate (which originated from chinese martial arts) thrashes it like a wet shit.
the last video was awesome. (The ending comment was hilarious, keep the the impressions up hahahaha)
I dont know what the excitement is all about🤣🤣🤣
He's not a very experienced Kyukoshin guy. And front kicks in karate are typically of the snapping kind.
Nice positive note lol
What about Chinese wrestling vs kung fu? And Chinese wrestling vs MMA?
That last clip is how martial arts should be
The common goal is to better yourself,protect loved ones/self,and learn something. It's beautiful to find techniques used to kill/harm passed over through care/compassion 😢💕
You sounded like Elmo at the end lol..
OMG Jerry, you only like ending on a positive note!
Where do you see snow
I like the fight in the alley. I think the Kyokushin guy was still developing and tried this on, because Kyokushin is full of bad mo-fo's. But yeah, I know exactly where he is coming from with getting punched in the face and it throwing off your whole game.