Yes, murder is bad. That's exactly why I don't sympathize with Mr. Thompson. He was a significant player in the deaths of tens of thousands of Americans every year. If the murder of an individual is bad, then why isn't someone who causes tens of thousands of deaths every year at least equally reprehensible, if not far more so? These deaths aren't due to negligence; they're due to malicious greed. As far as I'm concerned, the people defending Mr. Thompson and castigating anyone who doesn't show him sympathy are the true psychopaths.
"When the rich rob the poor, it's called business. When the poor fight back, it's called violence." -Mark Twain Spare us the moral outrage of violence when it’s perpetrated on a systemic scale simply on the basis of “it’s legal, bro!”
Yes, because tyrants couldn't give two fu***s about your peaceful dialogue or protesting. These people understand only violence, which is why they brainwashed you into thinking you shouldn't use it and vote instead, in a system they rigged.
Osama Bin Laden was a father and Adolf Hitler was a husband. Countless people in the world have abusive, shitty fathers. If they even stuck around. What a weak excuse to whitewash absolute bastards.
68,000 murders per year by American health insurance executives. They've been working for the company twenty perhaps forty years mmmm 68,000x30 equals 2,040,000. That's bigger than Greater Vancouver City.
23 years ago, about 3000 people died in New York and a couple other places, and that set the stage for decades of shitty military policy. In contrast, this attack comes from within, and is over 22x 9/11s per year.
@@birdlover7776By people voting Republican is what the problem is. Democrats got us Obamacare which is the affordable care act. Democrats wanted healthcare for all but Republicans wouldn’t allow it. Obamacare is way better than what the country had though. Watch Sicko as was mentioned so you know what Republican care was.
@@birdlover7776 yep these people really like to exonerate themselves you can show them time after time. They kept helping the Republicans instead of helping democrats get the policies enacted they wanted. And they’re still doing it now .🙄
My husband was killed by BCBS (that waited for weeks to deny coverage for procedures just hours before they were scheduled AND kicked him out of the hospital too soon after his operation which resulted in his death and months of suffering). My husband was 50 and our kids were 9 and 11 when he died. First, Mr. Mangione does not resemble the person who shot the CEO so let's not say that he is a killer. Second, if the CEO were a decent person, he would not have collected an 8 figure salary while the company he leads profits from denying a third of their customers' claims. Understandably, the majority of Americans, including me, have no empathy when someone unalives a CEO whose company makes tenths of billions of dollars each year from their and their family members' death, pain, and financial ruin.
I agree The shooter did not resemble Luigi Mangione It seems there maybe even more to all this the CEO was soon going to to be held Accountable for insider trading
A friend of mine was trying to be a donor for his sister who had cancer. He was a prime candidate for bone marrow since he was a direct relative and BCBS stalled out the procedure for so long she got past a tipping point where it had progressed so bad. She had a decent enough chance of survival when they found out she was sick and he immediately volunteered and was tested to see if he was a viable candidate. They had to sit there and wait. He had to watch his sister die because he wasn't wealthy enough to pay for it out of pocket and because she was over 40 years old they allowed her to die. BCBS denies my medications all the time. My doctor will send in my meds and they get to say if they are going to cover it or not. My doctor will literally send it in and they'll tell me I have to wait several days before they cover it even though my doctor says otherwise. Sometimes they never pay for it so I have to pay out of pocket. My employer spends thousands on my healthcare every month and I pay almost 600 on top of that and they won't cover a 150 medication smfh. It's shameful af
@@The1SuperAtheist I am heartbroken to hear about more deaths and suffering caused by BCBS. The strategy BCBS deployed against your friend's sister is the same they used against my husband. They denied pre-authorizations at the last minute which caused re-scheduling procedures, which caused weeks of delays, and after months of repeating the same, they won because a dead man has no claims. Health insurance companies blaming Americans for not having empathy for an unalived CEO is like psychopaths blaming their victims for not having empathy when they suffer a scratch while torturing them.
The media keeps framing this man as “a father-of-two”. He was the CEO of the company that denies 1/3 of claims, devastates families, and kills how many parents? Just infuriating.
"They want to put street criminals in jail to make life safer for the business criminals. They're against street crime, providing that street isn't Wall Street." -George Carlin
Brit here. The NHS has a backlog and waiting lists for non life threatening conditions since covid BUT it has never denied funding for anything a doctor has deemed necessary, which it covers WITHOUT QUESTION. I have just nursed my father (retired mail man) at home for the last 4 years of his life and he has had everything from ambulances and district nurse visits, to his medicine and incontinence pads, catheters and even a powered hospital bed and a hoist in his home, FOR FREE via the NHS, which he has helped fund all his life as a tax payer. During my stay I got treatment for myself too even though I hadn't lived or paid taxes in the UK for 30 years - all FREE - no questions asked. God knows what we'd have done if we were American. God bless the NHS.
What you would have done is stand by helplessly while watching your father die, which would have happened about four years ago. I'm glad your country made it possible, thru taxes paid, for your father to have those last four years. And I'm sorry for your loss for when he passed.
I'm glad you're satisfied because though for my friends and relatives in the US, health care insurance seems non-existant at times, the ones in the UK are always telling us about the months and year long waiting list for some simple medical procedures. I don't remember hearing complaints about their medical costs, but some of them have gone to the Middle East to get procedures done faster!
@@dawns.6022 It is true that 13 years of conservative rule and systematic underfunding has left non essential procedures in crisis, because rich people want to get richer by privatisation, but whenever he 'had one of his falls' (he was in his 80s) he pressed a button on his wrist band and an ambulance showed up pretty pronto, took him to hospital, and treated him as long as it took (6 weeks on one occasion) and nobody ever presented him with a bill. I trust you'd agree that that is 1000 times better than most Americans' experience. Of course, you could watch Fox and believe the bs they seem keen to spread in order to serve their masters by blackening the concept of healthcare for all, regardless of wealth. I've had my life saved on a couple of occasions by the NHS, and I haven't gone bankrupt as a result while being constantly gaslighted into believing I live in the best country in the world.
Couldn’t agree more! The NHS treated my mum when she had an infection on her brain. She’s still alive thanks to the NHS. Every country should have universal healthcare.
Imagine going to Walmart to buy a TV and despite giving them the money, there's a "30% denial rate" that you won't get it. Outrageous right? But we accept it with healthcare.
@@bhabbott most people in the U.S.; they don't even have a choice since the voting system makes it so there are only two parties and both respond to corporate interests first.
Can't all of us, whether we are conservatives, leftists, liberals, Republican, Democrat, or Independent, finally come together to realize that politics aren't a culture war, and right-wing grifters online, Ben Shapiro as an example, turned politics into a culture war in an attempt to make us ignore the class struggle we all face, especially from health insurers? We as average working Americans have SO much more in common with marginalized communities like poor Mexican immigrants, than rich white Americans Like Donald Trump, the people who want to make us believe that immigrants and other marginalized groups are the main source of our problems! This isn't a gender war, this isn't a race war, this isn't a culture war, this is, however, a class war! We are the UNITED STATES, not the "Divided States", so let's no longer be divided over what the grifters wants us to be divided over like abortion, and let's unite against them!
Absolutely. They literally don't care about anybody that's not in their class right now. They tell you that when they can't understand why we have no sympathy for the CEO.
They were called the Daughters of the Confederacy. Those ultra Karens are the reason there are confederate statues in the south and those god awful flags.
@@zzygyyWhat does obesity have to do with the cold blooded systemic extortion of, and violence against, ordinary people by illegal denial of life-saving medical procedures?
Not only is fundamental healthcare in the U.S. absurdly expensive, a 2020 W.H.O. report stated, " the U.S. is the only developed country that doesn't have an affordable Universal Healthare Coverage System (UHCS). As of 2018, the U.S. (per capita), has the lowest life expectancy at birth, the highest death rate for avoidable and/or treatable conditions such as Coronary Heart Disease, Type II Diabetes, Breast/Prostate Cancer, etc, the highest maternal and infant mortality, and among the highest suicide rates for both men & women.. ".
Exactly. This is what more people need to realize. Everything we have, our ancestors had to FIGHT for. These politicians and billionaires are just scared that this isn't the last they've seen of regular folks being truly fed up with the current status quo.
John F. Kennedy said, "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." What peaceful routes can a person take against the health care "protection racket" in the US?
So, socialized healthcare is "evil" or whatever, but insurance is completely fine? Oh wait, it's because rich assholes own the companies, NOW I GET IT...
Another law should be that all doctors and all hospitals must accept all insurance. Period. I'm sick of hearing, "we don't accept your insurance." That shouldn't be an option.
The problem is, as long as this for-profit system is left intact, the insurance companies will simply jack up the premiums so much, probably even double them, that only the very rich could afford to pay. This entire privatized system has to go.
I believe it's less about the doctors and hospitals and more about the insurance refusing to service those doctors and hospitals. It's not "we don't accept your insurance," it's, "your insurance doesn't want to spend your money on you here." Loads of insurers try to force you into the cheapest options they can find.
Hospitals/doctors shouldn't be forced to "accept" insurance that won't pay for services. They have to refuse, or they won't be in business for long. Even non-profit hospitals need to paid. It would be better for patients to find different insurance that providers WILL accept.
That part “ we don’t accept your insurance”. I know someone personally that happened to, he was having serious heart issues was moved around between 4 different hospitals. One said we don’t accept your insurance, 2nd said we can’t handle your issue, 3rd said they wouldn’t handle his issue or insurance, 4th hospital was over 50 miles away and they took him, did surgery and he’s fine. Why…why should be people be treated like this even with insurance?! We need coverage for all!
Yeah, i also don't like violence, but in history they only periods when wealth inequality gap got reduced, was after some of the worst violence possible. Hell, ww2 was crazy bad, but after it, virtually every economy on this planet boomed, the rich were taxed 90% and houses costed 2 pennies... Kinda obvious the direction we are going now, sadly... we already had the pandemic, now we are going to explode our economy. Man it's looking exactly like the past century... it's scary!
I have no sympathy for CEO guy. I have little sympathy for his family, who lived a life of luxury because people they don't know were effectively sentenced to death by the company daddy ran. Liberals super love Obama but it was a betrayal for him to stick up for insurance companies when it came to the ACA, when they're a massive part of, if not THE biggest problem the ACA was trying to solve. And having children doesn't make someone's death more lamentable when that someone has had a deliberate hand in the deaths of, conservatively, thousands of people.
I don’t see the conservative GOP trying to change healthcare for profit in the US. And with the new Trump Administration being run by billionaires it’s only going to get worse.
I think we need to talk about the people who put this system in place and who fought to keep it this way. They are also mass murderers and need to be charged.
This is one of the main reasons I left Texas and moved to Canada where I am now a citizen. I broke my leg and was hospitalized for five days with surgery followed by physio therapy. Not one piece of paperwork. No premuims, no copays, no deductibles. I love Canada. I would never move back to the U.S.
I'm glad you were privileged enough to be able to do that, and that I was. I'm very sad for all the ones who can't move to another country because they could never afford to better their lives. That was almost me.
Two of the most tragic things to happen in modern American history were when the Democratic nomination was taken from Bernie Sanders in 2016 and 2020. He would have won in 2016, and Bernie would now be just ending his second term. What a different America we would be.
He MIGHT have won in 2016 but we'll never know. If he had been the nominee in 2020 instead of Biden I don't think he would have won and he certainly wouldn't have received 81 million votes.
You know who else was a father? Darth Vader. Professor Hojo. Immortan Joe. Josef Stalin. Kim Jong Il. Ivan the Terrible. Having kids and being evil are not mutually exclusive.
Violence, yada yada yada --- BUT: It put the criminality of the healthcare insurance system under a very bright spotlight. People are finally talking about it out in the open.
There are other places where our system is completely absurd and awful and another one of those is predatory banking and mortgage loans where you pay over and over and over and over for a house over 30 years enormous amounts of interest. Add to that private equity firms buying up houses that pushes housing prices up and renders people homeless or unable to find an affordable home. We need to put the blame where it belongs. I don't know how we fix it but maybe it's a start to start talking about it openly.
@lesliecurran1704 Yes, but it’s easier to demonize the homeless and make it illegal to be on by the street, than admitting their retirement depends on the collective group companies that own millions of homes to rent for profit! Politicians, and the same bankers that offer you those inflated loans, benefit more than anyone, but regular Americans unknowingly invest in these same companies through their own Index Funds, ETFs and 401Ks. It’s a systematic problem for us, but a huge windfall for them.
3:52 Forget stepping stones. Medicare for All NOW. BTW, I lost my father at 13 and we were impoverished over it SO… the world’s tiniest violin is playing the world’s saddest tune. The Thomsons can afford all the therapy and their kids won’t be student loan slaves so my sympathies are still out of network! May the CEOs keep dropping until sickcare cartel falls.
Medicare for all as it exists now is not universal healthcare. Medicare has monthly premiums, yearly deductables, denies many procedures and does not cover things like teeth and only very little with eyes. And you still pay 20 or some percentage for hospital stay which can run into the thousands.
Yeah it's not just developed countries that have free healthcare. A few years ago I was in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia. I was bitten by some bug and had an allergic reaction. Almost passed out in the street. An ambulance was called, they brought me to a hospital where they treated me. I probably spent 2 hours there. When I checked out I tried to pay. They told me I didn't need to. How much would this have cost me in the US?
I can testify that the same happens (happened?) in Argentina. In Chile there are more problems if you are a foreigner and are taken to a private clinic, but if you are taken to a public one, you have high possibilities of being assisted for free, specially in emergencies.
the accused shooter in this case also someone who had been suffering from chronic pain and apparently had been getting denied requests for help apparently something not unlike a constant pinched nerve in his spine.... but worse. Had a pinched nerve myself about a year ago, wouldn't wish it on anyone, though in my case at least my doctor and insurance offered care for me to get it looked at and medications to help treat it
Amen, same here. *_I used to have UHC and when I moved and had to get a new insurance, I went with a private insurance company. No premiums, co-pay, no other fees. I have not been denied yet. In fact, I was _*Shocked_* to find out that I could get hearing-aids that were top of the line, in the ear canal, not looped on the outside of the ear. *_NO OUT OF POCKET AT ALL!_*
Yes! I 100% agree with Ro Khana's statement where if Medicare covers it, the private FOR-PROFIT companies MUST cover it. I had Anthem Blue Cross, ANOTHER VILE company who PRIORITIZES PROFITS OVER HUMANITY, DENIED my surgery calling it "experimental" and after months of my surgeon fighting them to get this approved, my surgeon tells me that he could fight them no more. He then tells me that it was too bad that I was not on Medicare as he was performing these surgeries and seeing the quality of life improve dramatically for people like me and MEDICARE WAS PAYING FOR IT!! Does anyone with half a brain cell think Medicare would pay for surgeries that they did not have DATA THAT PROVED THE EFFECTIVENESS OF SAID SURGERY?? MEDICARE FOR ALL please. Take the ORGANIZED CRIME ELEMENT, FOR-PROFIT HEALTH(care???) INSURANCE, THAT SKIMS HUGE AMOUNTS OF MONEY OUT OF OUR HEALTHCARE SYSTEM AND INSTEAD ACTUALLY PUT THAT MONEY INTO HELPING THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE THE AILMENTS OR ACCIDENTS!!!
Yeah. Greed just drains people's minds of any moral compass and even logic at times. It's wild how people like him spend so much on politicians to turn against the constituents.
As I've heard others say, this is the first time Americans have agreed on the same thing. The first time we've brought together!! All it took was ONE person to unalive a CEO. I don't condone gun violence, BUT...Thank you, Luigi. LOL 🤷🏻♀️
When I was growing up, this ountry touted being ranked high among global rates of life expectancy. It was something to be proud of, a goal all agreed was important. Not since Reagan.
He need not attempt to run for president in 2028 because I'm not voting for a tone deaf corporate puppet. It's time to root out the corporate hacks within the Democratic party. They're the reason we're in this hellscape to begin with.
I was a nanny in America for a high flying family. They went days without seeing their kids. Leaving the house before they woke and coming home after I put them to bed. They woyld tell me to make sure they were asleep nefore coming home. Children are just another asset for people like this . BTW I was an au pair, not a nanny, so they didn't have to pay me much as it was a 'culture exchange '. I was never asked a question about my culture
We run scared every day. Fear of a healthcare issue. Scared of an unexpected emergency or inability to keep roof over our head. When will they give a flip about our fear and deaths?
Be a hung jury, but as I said, developing countries have better health care than the US. Mexico and Brazil have better health systems than the US, my professor said this in my English conversation class.
“Illness is neither an indulgence for which people have to pay, nor an offence for which they should be penalised, but a misfortune the cost of which should be shared by the community.” Aneurin Bevan Founder of the NHS.
Violence against individuals is bad. But institutional violence by a messed up healthcare system is worse. If we don’t want more instances like this. Change needs to come. Or it will get worse.
I saw the documentary with a Republican. After it was over I asked him what he thought. He just shrugged his shoulders. I see this with MANY people who have good healthcare from where they work, or they’re wealthy. THESE PEOPLE ALSO DO NOT CARE ABOUT THE REST OF US NOT HAVING IT.. They view us as losers & act like we don’t deserve it but they do.
I lost my best friend to cancer, he had no insurance and no money, so they let him die. Medicare was helpful but mediocre. If he had money, he would be alive now!💔
Sorry about the loss of your best friend. I'm a dual citizen, spent 1/2 my adult life in Canada and 1/2 here in the US. I never ever missed a doctor appointment for fear of not having the money to cover when in Toronto. Preventive care is so important. When I moved back to states, I could not afford the cheapest insurance I could find @$400/month so coasted for years and eventually ignoring symptoms since I couldn't afford doctor. Shit hit the fan and I ended up in emergency with stage 3 lymphoma. Fortunately I was able to get Medicaid state insurance at last minute, but just when I thought I could exhale and brace for chemotherapy, they put me through this grueling, gutwrenching invasive audit. I lost my sister the same week I was diagnosed and this stress of course compounded an already frightening situation. My lymphoma returned, had a stem cell transplant, lymphoma returned, new treatment, lymphoma back and I'm wondering what the future holds for all of us under the idiot's tyranny. Too late to move back to Canada. Canada's system may not be perfect, but is fathoms better than this warped and corrupted system in the states.💕🐾
@@northerngirl1637 Too late to move to Canada why? It could not be a better time to move there, now that the orange psychopath is going to tear apart whatever healthcare protections we had left in this country.
$10.2M in just salary + bonuses, stock option rewards, “made him one of the companies highest paid executives” (UNH $550/share) $15M insider trade sale $490BIL MARKET CAP - UNH
💯and how much did the families make when UHC claims DENIED and they resulted in death? Didn’t THEY have families too? Did those families go bankrupt? Did they lose their house? Did they become homeless? Empathy DENIED for the evil CEO!
I’ve watched Michael Moore’s documentary. Bernie Sanders took a bus load of people to Canada to get their meds too. This problem has been going on for years. The problem with insurance is you never know if you have a good policy… until you actually have a claim.
There are no "good" policies. All of it means care only goes to the richest, and everyone still pays more than people do in other countries, when you take into account deductibles, co-pays, and rates.
We're not the best at health care, at longevity, at education. at social safety nets - in fact, I don't know what we ARE the best at except that we have more military bases all around the world than any other country does.
His Dad had back pain for a long time and refused to go to a doctor or hospital because he didn't have health insurance. By the time the pain got so bad and he went to the ER, he found out that he had cancer that had spread.
Damn, Kyle. I just watched "Sicko" at your suggestion...I'm so glad I did, but I almost wish I hadn't. There's so much that would need to change for our country to do this the right way, and I'm afraid it'll never happen , purely due to how well the control the simple-minded, but I truly hope that we're able to learn and change before it's too late...
I watched Sicko a few years ago. All of this talk about insurance made me think about it. If there is a health care reform in this country, it will be a long time coming.
My father had a heart attack while vacationing in a third world country. He was treated and given 3 stems. Also all the medicine for a year. AT NO COST. NOT A SINGLE CENT. When he came back to the US Medicare neglect finally killed him because he could not continue the treatment.
I went to VN to get a $30 glasses with eye exam. A $5 massage there too. Many Vietnamese went there to do dental works. All these are without insurance.
I mean, I get what you are saying, but there is no evidence the accused was denied coverage and that specific CEO denied his coverage. This was an ideologically motivated attack, and the guy was probably not right in the head either. This isn't John Q we're talking about.
@fenrir7878 Ah, yes. A thinly veiled attempt at name-calling. The guy just wasn’t in his right mind! AKA crazy. Please, of course it was ideologically motivated. He said so himself. The killing was symbolic. You can’t kill a hydra by cutting off one of its heads. He knows this. We all know this. Hundreds of applicants applied for that CEO position before the gun even cooled off. The problem is systematic. But at least, we’re all talking.
@@synthdriver8817 look up the definition of self defense, because it doesn’t involve killing someone for letting someone else die. Before you start strawmanning my argument, by definition you are wrong. I understand your feeling, but frontier justice is NOT the way to do this. ORGANIZE!!
From Canada and I feel so sorry for my friends to the south. I recently was diagnosed with prostate cancer….great medical care, surgery, and recovery….and not a cent out of pocket. No discussion about coverage or NOT makes life easier especially as we get older
Yes, I think this murder is going to open a HUGE AND WELL NEEDED AND WAY OVERDUE conversation about how the common man in this country IS CONSTANTLY SCREWED OVER!!! We live with stress all the time and loss because of GREED and we cannot let this disappear like so many other news reports and fade into the background and we all go back to being numb and compliant and complacent.
Already the media is dumbing down on events. All of them defending the corporations. They would, as they are corporations themselves and part of the swamp
The thing I always find interesting about the "long wait lines" argument against universal healthcare, is that they never mention that after the "long wait", there's no bill for the care administered. I have a feeling people wouldn't mind waiting for healthcare if it meant they weren't financially devastated at the end of their treatment.
Additionally - typically a 'long wait' is for elective surgery - NOT for lifesaving procedures. So, anyone who wants to play ip the 'long wait' is purposely taking this phenomonon OUT OF CONTEXT.!
@@barbarafairbanks4578 I waited 12 months for a surgery without which I could expire at any moment, at least this is what my surgeon claimed. People wait years for life-preserving surgeries. The hospitals just send letters every year checking whether people still need that surgery (many don't because they are already 6 feet under). This is happening in Ireland, one of the wealthiest countries in the world.
@@eldridgedavis How do you define long in America? I waited 36 hours last April. After 18 hours I was admitted, but there was no bed for me yet, so spent another 18 hours in pain, in a chair. At least I wasn't 🩸or 🤮 as did another young woman, who waited just as long. How would you fancy that?
I have to say that even in this country, even if you have insurance, the wait times can be absurdly long like months. And then you get hit with a huge bill for the deductible and the co-pays. On top of your exorbitant insurance premiums.
I think Bernie Sanders and Ro Khanna's responses here prove that the progressive movement does not have leaders who are serious about challenging power. I've had enough of this "boo hoo, violence is bad (even when it's a response to violence)" rhetoric.
Yeah, Bernie is all talk at this point. He could have used this opportunity to really hammer down on this and show how sick people are of the elites. He could have made such a strong case for a universal healthcare plan. Instead, he bowed down.
I'm from a small European island nation. Free healthcare is enshrined in our constitution as a human right to all nationals. Whether you work or not, the government has the duty to provide you with free healthcare from beginning to end, no questions asked. Our healthcare is also one of the best with state of the art hospital. You can also opt for private healthcare if you like. If you decide to get insurance though, you're paying about $500-1000 per year and you're fully covered for anything except for existing conditions before you opted for the insurance. If you don't get insurance and you decide to pay private healthcare, it's affordable by most people. A doctor's visit is $20-$30. An operation would cost $500-3000$ Insulin is free of charge of you are diabetic.
Right. They think the solution is more security for the CEOs. So CEOs can hire a couple of guys who they call their "security detail" who carry and can drop anyone they think is a threat at the moment. How is anyone okay with that?
In the end, the victim had no problem at all with leaving children without parents, because he finds money more important. So, I can pretend that I care, if that makes you feel better.
Americans at the border cross every day to get dental and medical care in Mexico because even private medical companies are cheaper due to the fact that the government offers FREE healthcare, turns out when companies have to compete against FREE prices drop down significantly, so tell me again which is the S-hole country.
He didn't change the system at all, though, so not really. Obviously the issue is that health care coverage shouldn't be for profit, and Luigi didn't speak to that at all in his manifesto.
Literally has a name where I thought he had Italian mob connections. I'm sure if there is an Italian mob gang in prison, they'll welcome him with open arms.
@@mxkhxi capitalism is so robust and everyone in power is so fixated on trying to make is hate Luigi that sadly, I don't think his actions will change things for the better. If anything I expect we'll see more protections for CEOs
I can understand that feeling of rage you get if nothing ever changes when you try to go the proper legal way, and other people just get away with everything.
my father, who has been a machinist his whole life making good money who was a conservative voted for Trump. Yada yada got diagnosed with cancer recently has been unable to work got fired from his job is losing his health insurance and isnt old enough to retire and get Medicare has suddenly realized that a universal single payee system wouldn’t be so bad... go figure
Latest argument I heard from a right winger was, "Well what about people who deliberately make themselves sick like smoking and cancer, or drinking and cirrhosis? That makes it more expensive for the rest of us.". This mentality of "Well someone might cheat", baffles me. I have heard it applied to social welfare too. So the solution is to have nothing at all, help no-one and that way nobody can cheat the system. 🤦♂
They use that with unions too. We're supposed to live in fear of lazy coworkers getting one up on the boss, not in fear of not having any protections, voice in our work lives or living wages.
If it's even a problem needed to be addressed, I've heard of plenty of insurance companies who lower the amount you pay for going to the gym or other health-protective behaviours
It's a stupid argument selfish psychopaths like to use in every argument that leads to helping the common good. They are not honest, they use it to distract from the real argument. It's called a straw man fallacy.
People who smoke got addicted by billion dollar companies that put addictive crap in the cigarettes and lied about it. Send the bill to THOSE CEOs. I share your frustration.
Why should we feel sorry this guy died cause he’s a father? Pretty much every mass murderer is/was a father too. It’s ridiculous, it’s like saying we should be sorry a ruthless dictator gets assessinated cause he was a father
Violence is bad BUT systemic violence is much worse.
its always been about who has the biggest stick since cavemen 🤷♂️
Yes, murder is bad. That's exactly why I don't sympathize with Mr. Thompson. He was a significant player in the deaths of tens of thousands of Americans every year. If the murder of an individual is bad, then why isn't someone who causes tens of thousands of deaths every year at least equally reprehensible, if not far more so? These deaths aren't due to negligence; they're due to malicious greed. As far as I'm concerned, the people defending Mr. Thompson and castigating anyone who doesn't show him sympathy are the true psychopaths.
whomever makes peaceful change impossible makes violent change inevitable
Violence is a tool.
Short but sweet.
"When the rich rob the poor, it's called business. When the poor fight back, it's called violence." -Mark Twain
Spare us the moral outrage of violence when it’s perpetrated on a systemic scale simply on the basis of “it’s legal, bro!”
Agreed 👍
Fantastic
Brilliant reply.!!
"B-but they're running a business" -Mentally undeveloped apologists
@ Exactly! It’s like the slave markets were a business too, but that doesn’t mean they should continue to exist.
Sad but true fact: nothing in America has EVER changed for the better without blood. Labor laws, civil rights, ending slavery,
Quite true.
Yes, because tyrants couldn't give two fu***s about your peaceful dialogue or protesting. These people understand only violence, which is why they brainwashed you into thinking you shouldn't use it and vote instead, in a system they rigged.
Same with wealth transfers from rich to poor. Harvard did a study on all economic major wealth transfers in history.
Edit* recent history
True I would like to quote you in my comment if ok with you bec I agree with you 100percent thanks.
Slavery didn't actually end
"This is a father". How many people lost their dads to our corrupt healthcare system?
I lost both of my parents by 25 years old because of this and I can’t be the only one
Osama Bin Laden was a father and Adolf Hitler was a husband. Countless people in the world have abusive, shitty fathers. If they even stuck around. What a weak excuse to whitewash absolute bastards.
Wait till you find out Bernie had something to do do with today's healthcare system
Notice how they never said he was a good man
! How Many Fatherless, Childless, Parentless or No surviving Family at all in Gaza! So Don't come with that Father argument!
68,000 murders for profit... PER YEAR. Don't forget the 'per year'.
68,000 murders per year by American health insurance executives. They've been working for the company twenty perhaps forty years mmmm 68,000x30 equals 2,040,000. That's bigger than Greater Vancouver City.
That’s a stadium full of people every year who will never see another football game or concert.
@@katiemarie4035 And will never see their father again!
And let’s not forget Covid! I think constantly. “What if we had better healthcare.”
23 years ago, about 3000 people died in New York and a couple other places, and that set the stage for decades of shitty military policy.
In contrast, this attack comes from within, and is over 22x 9/11s per year.
Glad to see Americans are FINALLY seeing their govt and system for what they are. Greed!
💯💯💯
Day late and a dollar short. 😢
Yes, but the ones who want it to be that way still want that.
It's corporate greed. And those corporations like insurance companies and big pharma buy our politicians...we need big money out of politics
@@kkc6155 Absolutely.
murder is bad... especially when corporations do it to enhance their profits.
Yep. Luigi didn't make any profit off of his. In fact, he gave up his life and sacrificed himself.
Your comment is 💯 x 💯 accurate! That’s it in a nutshell! ✌️
Not paying for your operation isn't murder.
@@vincesmith2499 Good luck.
Vince ..🤥🤡🦨
If someone murdered Hitler, who's the worst human, Hitler or the one who murdered him.
“Say what you like about Hitler, but he did kill Hitler” - Jimmy Carr
And the Lord said "He who kills Hitler gains access to Heaven."
And Hitler said "I am about to do what is called a pro gamer move."
I hear the guy who killed Hitler was pretty bad himself.
According to black propaganda.
I doubt you know the reality of Hitler.
The working class didn't start this class warfare.
they actually did by voting for Reagan
Very true.
@@birdlover7776By people voting Republican is what the problem is. Democrats got us Obamacare which is the affordable care act. Democrats wanted healthcare for all but Republicans wouldn’t allow it. Obamacare is way better than what the country had though. Watch Sicko as was mentioned so you know what Republican care was.
@@birdlover7776 yep these people really like to exonerate themselves
you can show them time after time. They kept helping the Republicans instead of helping democrats get the policies enacted they wanted.
And they’re still doing it now .🙄
EVERYONE should simply say “I’m against murder and that’s why I oppose insurance companies being systemic murder and their death panels.
☝️This!☝️
Great response
YES!
RIP to all the health insurance victims
The shooter sounds like he had chronic pain while waiting for surgery. That will drive you crazy.
Ref, the third man, the conversation between holly Martin and Harry lime on the big wheel.
They're not murder victims. Stop the silly analogy.
@@vincesmith2499 stop bootlicking. You’re gonna wind up on the wrong end of a pitchfork
As a person who worked in private insurance and then totally turned against it, I agree completely. They are the Only ones I have sympathy for.
My husband was killed by BCBS (that waited for weeks to deny coverage for procedures just hours before they were scheduled AND kicked him out of the hospital too soon after his operation which resulted in his death and months of suffering). My husband was 50 and our kids were 9 and 11 when he died. First, Mr. Mangione does not resemble the person who shot the CEO so let's not say that he is a killer. Second, if the CEO were a decent person, he would not have collected an 8 figure salary while the company he leads profits from denying a third of their customers' claims. Understandably, the majority of Americans, including me, have no empathy when someone unalives a CEO whose company makes tenths of billions of dollars each year from their and their family members' death, pain, and financial ruin.
I agree
The shooter did not resemble Luigi Mangione
It seems there maybe even more to all this
the CEO was soon going to to be held
Accountable for insider trading
And I’m sorry for the great loss you’ve had to endure 😢
@@gfluff3525 Thank you for your sympathy.
A friend of mine was trying to be a donor for his sister who had cancer. He was a prime candidate for bone marrow since he was a direct relative and BCBS stalled out the procedure for so long she got past a tipping point where it had progressed so bad. She had a decent enough chance of survival when they found out she was sick and he immediately volunteered and was tested to see if he was a viable candidate. They had to sit there and wait. He had to watch his sister die because he wasn't wealthy enough to pay for it out of pocket and because she was over 40 years old they allowed her to die. BCBS denies my medications all the time. My doctor will send in my meds and they get to say if they are going to cover it or not. My doctor will literally send it in and they'll tell me I have to wait several days before they cover it even though my doctor says otherwise. Sometimes they never pay for it so I have to pay out of pocket. My employer spends thousands on my healthcare every month and I pay almost 600 on top of that and they won't cover a 150 medication smfh. It's shameful af
@@The1SuperAtheist I am heartbroken to hear about more deaths and suffering caused by BCBS. The strategy BCBS deployed against your friend's sister is the same they used against my husband. They denied pre-authorizations at the last minute which caused re-scheduling procedures, which caused weeks of delays, and after months of repeating the same, they won because a dead man has no claims. Health insurance companies blaming Americans for not having empathy for an unalived CEO is like psychopaths blaming their victims for not having empathy when they suffer a scratch while torturing them.
The media keeps framing this man as “a father-of-two”. He was the CEO of the company that denies 1/3 of claims, devastates families, and kills how many parents? Just infuriating.
Exactly! He was an absolute monster and the whole company as well!
Its the message msm is pushing he was a dad ...so what was the rest of his victims 🤷
He was already separated from his wife and children. So thrn back at home he prolly wasn't a good husband and father either.
United Health Care CEO Brian Thompson was a MASS MURDERER!!!
Well stated. I do not condone murder either by a gun or the flick of a pen.
"They want to put street criminals in jail to make life safer for the business criminals. They're against street crime, providing that street isn't Wall Street." -George Carlin
That man was ahead of his time
@UndertheNeedle282
The times haven’t changed as much as you may think
I miss him
You watch these ceo gangsters be out in public hiding behind their wives and children 😅
No woman & no kids...
Boy if that man was here now😳💥🎤
Brit here. The NHS has a backlog and waiting lists for non life threatening conditions since covid BUT it has never denied funding for anything a doctor has deemed necessary, which it covers WITHOUT QUESTION.
I have just nursed my father (retired mail man) at home for the last 4 years of his life and he has had everything from ambulances and district nurse visits, to his medicine and incontinence pads, catheters and even a powered hospital bed and a hoist in his home, FOR FREE via the NHS, which he has helped fund all his life as a tax payer.
During my stay I got treatment for myself too even though I hadn't lived or paid taxes in the UK for 30 years - all FREE - no questions asked. God knows what we'd have done if we were American. God bless the NHS.
What you would have done is stand by helplessly while watching your father die, which would have happened about four years ago. I'm glad your country made it possible, thru taxes paid, for your father to have those last four years. And I'm sorry for your loss for when he passed.
Wow,speaking as an American,l am in awe of the British healthcare system.
I'm glad you're satisfied because though for my friends and relatives in the US, health care insurance seems non-existant at times, the ones in the UK are always telling us about the months and year long waiting list for some simple medical procedures. I don't remember hearing complaints about their medical costs, but some of them have gone to the Middle East to get procedures done faster!
@@dawns.6022 It is true that 13 years of conservative rule and systematic underfunding has left non essential procedures in crisis, because rich people want to get richer by privatisation, but whenever he 'had one of his falls' (he was in his 80s) he pressed a button on his wrist band and an ambulance showed up pretty pronto, took him to hospital, and treated him as long as it took (6 weeks on one occasion) and nobody ever presented him with a bill.
I trust you'd agree that that is 1000 times better than most Americans' experience.
Of course, you could watch Fox and believe the bs they seem keen to spread in order to serve their masters by blackening the concept of healthcare for all, regardless of wealth. I've had my life saved on a couple of occasions by the NHS, and I haven't gone bankrupt as a result while being constantly gaslighted into believing I live in the best country in the world.
Couldn’t agree more! The NHS treated my mum when she had an infection on her brain. She’s still alive thanks to the NHS. Every country should have universal healthcare.
Imagine going to Walmart to buy a TV and despite giving them the money, there's a "30% denial rate" that you won't get it. Outrageous right? But we accept it with healthcare.
Thats what happens in a system that only allows right wing economic options.
Great comparison
Or paying for food and going hungry
You forgot to add and in the next week/month/year you died because you were denied that TV
"Sorry your pre-existing condition of not having a proper TV stand means you don't get to take home this TV "
“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.", John F. Kennedy 1962
Impossible? Who is even trying?
Words of wisdom.
So true! My cat always did say miau then tapped me lightly and after repeatedly trying get my attention thought "I had enough!" and scratched me. 😂
@@bhabbott most people in the U.S.; they don't even have a choice since the voting system makes it so there are only two parties and both respond to corporate interests first.
@@bhabbottWe can't vote away our problems because corporations are making it impossible. What the F are you talking about?
Can't all of us, whether we are conservatives, leftists, liberals, Republican, Democrat, or Independent, finally come together to realize that politics aren't a culture war, and right-wing grifters online, Ben Shapiro as an example, turned politics into a culture war in an attempt to make us ignore the class struggle we all face, especially from health insurers? We as average working Americans have SO much more in common with marginalized communities like poor Mexican immigrants, than rich white Americans Like Donald Trump, the people who want to make us believe that immigrants and other marginalized groups are the main source of our problems! This isn't a gender war, this isn't a race war, this isn't a culture war, this is, however, a class war! We are the UNITED STATES, not the "Divided States", so let's no longer be divided over what the grifters wants us to be divided over like abortion, and let's unite against them!
Well said
These people crying for Brian the CEO, go back in time and they would have cried for slave owners that were killed by their slaves.
100%
The French Nobility had families! And these psychopaths at the guillotine took them away!
Absolutely. They literally don't care about anybody that's not in their class right now. They tell you that when they can't understand why we have no sympathy for the CEO.
They were called the Daughters of the Confederacy. Those ultra Karens are the reason there are confederate statues in the south and those god awful flags.
Great analogy...
Vigilantism is bad but I have no patience for people who call this a tragedy.
The tragedy is the healthcare system here. It's about to get worse under Trump.
The tragedy is 40% obesity. Garbage food industry and poor lifestyle choices
The “tragedy” is children murdered at SCHOOL!!!
It's by design. There are literally food deserts and people are kept uneducated by Republican design.
@@zzygyyWhat does obesity have to do with the cold blooded systemic extortion of, and violence against, ordinary people by illegal denial of life-saving medical procedures?
Not only is fundamental healthcare in the U.S. absurdly expensive, a 2020 W.H.O. report stated, " the U.S. is the only developed country that doesn't have an affordable Universal Healthare Coverage System (UHCS). As of 2018, the U.S. (per capita), has the lowest life expectancy at birth, the highest death rate for avoidable and/or treatable conditions such as Coronary Heart Disease, Type II Diabetes, Breast/Prostate Cancer, etc, the highest maternal and infant mortality, and among the highest suicide rates for both men & women.. ".
Not "Liking" that it's this way; "Liking" that you pointed it out
As Yakov Smirnov would say:”What a country!”
There is no justification for violence? Then how did we end slavery?
Exactly. This is what more people need to realize. Everything we have, our ancestors had to FIGHT for. These politicians and billionaires are just scared that this isn't the last they've seen of regular folks being truly fed up with the current status quo.
Oooooo. So good. 👍👍
Strongly worded petitions 😂
You're comparing a war where the South attacked a Union fort to vigilante justice?
I would say vigilantism is justified against health insurance industry
We wouldn’t be having this conversation if you had universal health care. No buts.
John F. Kennedy said, "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." What peaceful routes can a person take against the health care "protection racket" in the US?
So, socialized healthcare is "evil" or whatever, but insurance is completely fine? Oh wait, it's because rich assholes own the companies, NOW I GET IT...
Bernie has been right all along.
Bernie’s a sheep herder for Democrats.
For more than 50 years!
Well technically left
..dude. he literally just wagged his finger and told you to fxk right off
Bernie has always been Bernie, fighting for universal healthcare and fair wages. For all of us.
Another law should be that all doctors and all hospitals must accept all insurance. Period. I'm sick of hearing, "we don't accept your insurance." That shouldn't be an option.
The problem is, as long as this for-profit system is left intact, the insurance companies will simply jack up the premiums so much, probably even double them, that only the very rich could afford to pay. This entire privatized system has to go.
I believe it's less about the doctors and hospitals and more about the insurance refusing to service those doctors and hospitals. It's not "we don't accept your insurance," it's, "your insurance doesn't want to spend your money on you here." Loads of insurers try to force you into the cheapest options they can find.
Hospitals/doctors shouldn't be forced to "accept" insurance that won't pay for services. They have to refuse, or they won't be in business for long. Even non-profit hospitals need to paid. It would be better for patients to find different insurance that providers WILL accept.
That part “ we don’t accept your insurance”. I know someone personally that happened to, he was having serious heart issues was moved around between 4 different hospitals. One said we don’t accept your insurance, 2nd said we can’t handle your issue, 3rd said they wouldn’t handle his issue or insurance, 4th hospital was over 50 miles away and they took him, did surgery and he’s fine. Why…why should be people be treated like this even with insurance?! We need coverage for all!
We shouldn't need vigilantes
But we do nevertheless, condemning Luigi here is being a class traitor.
We shouldn’t but here we are
We absolutely do! This is what the 2A is for.
And we should have billionaires too.
Yeah, i also don't like violence, but in history they only periods when wealth inequality gap got reduced, was after some of the worst violence possible.
Hell, ww2 was crazy bad, but after it, virtually every economy on this planet boomed, the rich were taxed 90% and houses costed 2 pennies...
Kinda obvious the direction we are going now, sadly... we already had the pandemic, now we are going to explode our economy. Man it's looking exactly like the past century... it's scary!
I have no sympathy for CEO guy. I have little sympathy for his family, who lived a life of luxury because people they don't know were effectively sentenced to death by the company daddy ran. Liberals super love Obama but it was a betrayal for him to stick up for insurance companies when it came to the ACA, when they're a massive part of, if not THE biggest problem the ACA was trying to solve. And having children doesn't make someone's death more lamentable when that someone has had a deliberate hand in the deaths of, conservatively, thousands of people.
I don’t see the conservative GOP trying to change healthcare for profit in the US. And with the new Trump Administration being run by billionaires it’s only going to get worse.
He was reportedly separated from his wife anyhow. Even she hated him lol.
Centrists & pro-establishment leftwing love Obama. That's not me!
The kids I have sympathy for.
Wait until Orange Hitler takes office. Buckle Up for when he pushes to Privatize ALL of healthcare!!!!
I think we need to talk about the people who put this system in place and who fought to keep it this way. They are also mass murderers and need to be charged.
It started with Reagan and managed Healthcare around 1985.
This is one of the main reasons I left Texas and moved to Canada where I am now a citizen. I broke my leg and was hospitalized for five days with surgery followed by physio therapy. Not one piece of paperwork. No premuims, no copays, no deductibles. I love Canada. I would never move back to the U.S.
I'm glad you were privileged enough to be able to do that, and that I was. I'm very sad for all the ones who can't move to another country because they could never afford to better their lives. That was almost me.
Lucky you ❤😊
I wish I could move to Canada - ESPECIALLY now.... 😒
Welcome to all of you who have made that choice.
First time I ever heard of someone moving from Texas to Canada. Interesting.
Two of the most tragic things to happen in modern American history were when the Democratic nomination was taken from Bernie Sanders in 2016 and 2020. He would have won in 2016, and Bernie would now be just ending his second term. What a different America we would be.
It breaks my heart every time I think about it
He MIGHT have won in 2016 but we'll never know. If he had been the nominee in 2020 instead of Biden I don't think he would have won and he certainly wouldn't have received 81 million votes.
Amen Christina.
Blame the DNC and corporate America, they stopped it
My father was the victim of the for
profit health care system..he died way sooner than he should because of the bottom line.
You know who else was a father? Darth Vader. Professor Hojo. Immortan Joe. Josef Stalin. Kim Jong Il. Ivan the Terrible. Having kids and being evil are not mutually exclusive.
Ghengis Khan and Shou Tucker were also fathers.
Violence, yada yada yada --- BUT: It put the criminality of the healthcare insurance system under a very bright spotlight. People are finally talking about it out in the open.
But only for a week or two. Then something else will come along to distract the public.
There are other places where our system is completely absurd and awful and another one of those is predatory banking and mortgage loans where you pay over and over and over and over for a house over 30 years enormous amounts of interest. Add to that private equity firms buying up houses that pushes housing prices up and renders people homeless or unable to find an affordable home. We need to put the blame where it belongs. I don't know how we fix it but maybe it's a start to start talking about it openly.
@lesliecurran1704
Yes, but it’s easier to demonize the homeless and make it illegal to be on by the street, than admitting their retirement depends on the collective group companies that own millions of homes to rent for profit!
Politicians, and the same bankers that offer you those inflated loans, benefit more than anyone, but regular Americans unknowingly invest in these same companies through their own Index Funds, ETFs and 401Ks. It’s a systematic problem for us, but a huge windfall for them.
Immorality, yes. Criminality, no. Everything they do to us is legal because they help write the laws!
3:52 Forget stepping stones. Medicare for All NOW. BTW, I lost my father at 13 and we were impoverished over it SO… the world’s tiniest violin is playing the world’s saddest tune. The Thomsons can afford all the therapy and their kids won’t be student loan slaves so my sympathies are still out of network! May the CEOs keep dropping until sickcare cartel falls.
Medicare for all as it exists now is not universal healthcare. Medicare has monthly premiums, yearly deductables, denies many procedures and does not cover things like teeth and only very little with eyes. And you still pay 20 or some percentage for hospital stay which can run into the thousands.
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I feel you! Something need to be done. People are tired of the BS. We aren't our grandparents
I saw a comment that said we’re only 12 CEOs away from universal healthcare 😂
Perfect! If we are going to talk about murder… lets talk about thousands that have been denied care.
Yeah it's not just developed countries that have free healthcare. A few years ago I was in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia. I was bitten by some bug and had an allergic reaction. Almost passed out in the street. An ambulance was called, they brought me to a hospital where they treated me. I probably spent 2 hours there. When I checked out I tried to pay. They told me I didn't need to. How much would this have cost me in the US?
I can testify that the same happens (happened?) in Argentina. In Chile there are more problems if you are a foreigner and are taken to a private clinic, but if you are taken to a public one, you have high possibilities of being assisted for free, specially in emergencies.
Simple in us? How much you got!
Believe it or not, Cuba has a national healthcare system too.
@@3rdandlong Oh I know
Um...just the ambulance ride would have been $2500
As someone forced to live in chronic pain, I have no sympathy for "healthcare" mafia bosses
I do however, have sympathy for all their victims
TY. 💯 %.
the accused shooter in this case also someone who had been suffering from chronic pain and apparently had been getting denied requests for help
apparently something not unlike a constant pinched nerve in his spine.... but worse. Had a pinched nerve myself about a year ago, wouldn't wish it on anyone, though in my case at least my doctor and insurance offered care for me to get it looked at and medications to help treat it
@@anthonydelfino6171 Chronic pain can drive a person insane.
Amen, same here. *_I used to have UHC and when I moved and had to get a new insurance, I went with a private insurance company. No premiums, co-pay, no other fees. I have not been denied yet. In fact, I was _*Shocked_* to find out that I could get hearing-aids that were top of the line, in the ear canal, not looped on the outside of the ear. *_NO OUT OF POCKET AT ALL!_*
I'm in the same boat. I never have a pain free day - for decades now.
Yes! I 100% agree with Ro Khana's statement where if Medicare covers it, the private FOR-PROFIT companies MUST cover it. I had Anthem Blue Cross, ANOTHER VILE company who PRIORITIZES PROFITS OVER HUMANITY, DENIED my surgery calling it "experimental" and after months of my surgeon fighting them to get this approved, my surgeon tells me that he could fight them no more. He then tells me that it was too bad that I was not on Medicare as he was performing these surgeries and seeing the quality of life improve dramatically for people like me and MEDICARE WAS PAYING FOR IT!! Does anyone with half a brain cell think Medicare would pay for surgeries that they did not have DATA THAT PROVED THE EFFECTIVENESS OF SAID SURGERY?? MEDICARE FOR ALL please. Take the ORGANIZED CRIME ELEMENT, FOR-PROFIT HEALTH(care???) INSURANCE, THAT SKIMS HUGE AMOUNTS OF MONEY OUT OF OUR HEALTHCARE SYSTEM AND INSTEAD ACTUALLY PUT THAT MONEY INTO HELPING THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE THE AILMENTS OR ACCIDENTS!!!
Thompson would still be here if we'd listened to Bernie 🤷
If *he* listened to Bernie
Obama threw us under the bus.
Yeah. Greed just drains people's minds of any moral compass and even logic at times. It's wild how people like him spend so much on politicians to turn against the constituents.
Exactly AND the INSANELY CRIMINAL insurance anesthesia laws WOULDN'T have been rolled back!!! Action is require for change!
AMEN.
Please stop calling it a murder... It was an "ethical assassination".
😂😂😂😂😂
"An applied lesson on historical materialism."
Re-balancing.
🤭🤭
Pest control
As I've heard others say, this is the first time Americans have agreed on the same thing. The first time we've brought together!! All it took was ONE person to unalive a CEO.
I don't condone gun violence, BUT...Thank you, Luigi. LOL 🤷🏻♀️
The assassination is a symptom of a broken system
#1 in cost
#42 in life expectancy🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️
When I was growing up, this ountry touted being ranked high among global rates of life expectancy. It was something to be proud of, a goal all agreed was important. Not since Reagan.
Agree, we are sadly the Unites Corporations of America! Is this democracy really!!??
Josh Shapiro wagging his finger at people without empathy for the CEO on the day they caught the kid infuriated me.
He need not attempt to run for president in 2028 because I'm not voting for a tone deaf corporate puppet. It's time to root out the corporate hacks within the Democratic party. They're the reason we're in this hellscape to begin with.
The same guy that wags fingers at people protesting the unjust deaths of their family members abroad.
Any chance for Shapiro to be President is deader than the UHC CEO.
He doesn’t want to solve the problem because he would stop getting his cut of the profits our leaders have proven that they are not on our side
@@HansBonnarwell said
I was a nanny in America for a high flying family. They went days without seeing their kids. Leaving the house before they woke and coming home after I put them to bed. They woyld tell me to make sure they were asleep nefore coming home. Children are just another asset for people like this . BTW I was an au pair, not a nanny, so they didn't have to pay me much as it was a 'culture exchange '. I was never asked a question about my culture
I hope you write a story or an article about that. It sounds like a rich vein, pun intended.
Thanks for sharing such a very insightful comment and you are correct in your assessment about rich people viewing their children as personal assets.
Definitely agree on the book. This is the time for people to have their eyes opened to the hypocrisy of the "pro-family" moneyed class.
Thanks!
We run scared every day. Fear of a healthcare issue. Scared of an unexpected emergency or inability to keep roof over our head. When will they give a flip about our fear and deaths?
Well clearly picketing, voting and writing letters is working so well.
/s
FREE LUIGI! VOICE OF THE PEOPLE!
Luigi 2028.
Be a hung jury, but as I said, developing countries have better health care than the US. Mexico and Brazil have better health systems than the US, my professor said this in my English conversation class.
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@@diegoyanesholtz212No they don't.
You people are "deplorable."
Everything you said. Thank you 🙏🏼
“Illness is neither an indulgence for which people have to pay, nor an offence for which they should be penalised, but a misfortune the cost of which should be shared by the community.” Aneurin Bevan Founder of the NHS.
Amen.
Mainstream media keeps saying this is shocking and tragic but I just don’t see that reaction from any real people
#nonzz3ro Mainstream media not a bit shocked about his alleged insider trading crime he(and others) are being invested for. Yeah. In deep pockets😂
I am in 100% agreement with what you’re saying and will put thank you. Can’t allow this issue to die.
Thank you, Kyle
He’s 💯 right of course
I just wish he is always like this
Violence against individuals is bad. But institutional violence by a messed up healthcare system is worse. If we don’t want more instances like this. Change needs to come. Or it will get worse.
I saw the documentary with a Republican. After it was over I asked him what he thought. He just shrugged his shoulders. I see this with MANY people who have good healthcare from where they work, or they’re wealthy. THESE PEOPLE ALSO DO NOT CARE ABOUT THE REST OF US NOT HAVING IT.. They view us as losers & act like we don’t deserve it but they do.
I lost my best friend to cancer, he had no insurance and no money, so they let him die. Medicare was helpful but mediocre. If he had money, he would be alive now!💔
I'm sorry for your loss
Sorry about the loss of your best friend. I'm a dual citizen, spent 1/2 my adult life in Canada and 1/2 here in the US. I never ever missed a doctor appointment for fear of not having the money to cover when in Toronto. Preventive care is so important. When I moved back to states, I could not afford the cheapest insurance I could find @$400/month so coasted for years and eventually ignoring symptoms since I couldn't afford doctor. Shit hit the fan and I ended up in emergency with stage 3 lymphoma. Fortunately I was able to get Medicaid state insurance at last minute, but just when I thought I could exhale and brace for chemotherapy, they put me through this grueling, gutwrenching invasive audit. I lost my sister the same week I was diagnosed and this stress of course compounded an already frightening situation. My lymphoma returned, had a stem cell transplant, lymphoma returned, new treatment, lymphoma back and I'm wondering what the future holds for all of us under the idiot's tyranny. Too late to move back to Canada. Canada's system may not be perfect, but is fathoms better than this warped and corrupted system in the states.💕🐾
I’m sorry to hear about your friend
@@northerngirl1637 Too late to move to Canada why? It could not be a better time to move there, now that the orange psychopath is going to tear apart whatever healthcare protections we had left in this country.
My son had no insurance couldn't afford it no money the hospital let him made him die
Father of two kids CEO used to make 10 million a year which is 27,000 weekly he stole from another kids
$10.2M in just salary + bonuses, stock option rewards, “made him one of the companies highest paid executives” (UNH $550/share)
$15M insider trade sale
$490BIL MARKET CAP - UNH
💯and how much did the families make when UHC claims DENIED and they resulted in death? Didn’t THEY have families too? Did those families go bankrupt? Did they lose their house? Did they become homeless?
Empathy DENIED for the evil CEO!
@@suegregor4220right now another man going to spend the money and he's going to use the same hole😂
Yup. He answers to the shareholders.
@@suegregor4220Did he murder those people with a gun? No.
I’ve watched Michael Moore’s documentary. Bernie Sanders took a bus load of people to Canada to get their meds too. This problem has been going on for years. The problem with insurance is you never know if you have a good policy… until you actually have a claim.
There are no "good" policies. All of it means care only goes to the richest, and everyone still pays more than people do in other countries, when you take into account deductibles, co-pays, and rates.
Every time a republican tells you America is the best country in the world , just remind him/her Europe has better healthcare
And our Canadian neighbors
America is the best country in the world.. to Americans LOL
And Mexico along wth Africa 😅
We're not the best at health care, at longevity, at education. at social safety nets - in fact, I don't know what we ARE the best at except that we have more military bases all around the world than any other country does.
@@christinepark1398 And more people in prison. Gotta love for-profit prisons!
The pitchforks are coming out.
Great show. Keep up the great work pal!
Condemning Luigi is the sign of a class traitor.
I'm glad they're outing themselves. Makes it easy to know what side they're on. Not red or blue. But if they call Luigi a hero or villian.
You people are disturbing. Seriously, I thought liberals were better than this, but you're no better than MAGA.
You are so fucking dramatic, keyboard warrior.
@@vincesmith2499Most of us are leftist, not liberals.
the politicans aren't part of our economic class. they serve the rich
Kyle, your take on this incident and over this issue is the best i have seen over multiple channels and platforms. Thank you for doing it justice.
I AGREE 100%
His Dad had back pain for a long time and refused to go to a doctor or hospital because he didn't have health insurance. By the time the pain got so bad and he went to the ER, he found out that he had cancer that had spread.
Damn, Kyle. I just watched "Sicko" at your suggestion...I'm so glad I did, but I almost wish I hadn't. There's so much that would need to change for our country to do this the right way, and I'm afraid it'll never happen , purely due to how well the control the simple-minded, but I truly hope that we're able to learn and change before it's too late...
I watched Sicko a few years ago. All of this talk about insurance made me think about it. If there is a health care reform in this country, it will be a long time coming.
A study came out regarding psychopaths and professions of people most likely linked. A CEO topped that list.
Psychopaths are a scourge on society. Every time a small or large swath of injustice is committed one of those is at the helm enjoying the view.
Of course. Assholes crave having power over others.
Thanks for the reminder! ✌️😎
Which study. I wanna see it.
@@rosasunsprite8901 There are many articles about this that came out in 2019, just google it.
I have been an RN for 42 yrs and the health care system is so disgusting and corrupt.
He spoke for all of us. FINALLY it’s being talked about. It’s a complete disgrace how the healthcare system is allowed to be in the USA.
My father had a heart attack while vacationing in a third world country. He was treated and given 3 stems. Also all the medicine for a year. AT NO COST. NOT A SINGLE CENT. When he came back to the US Medicare neglect finally killed him because he could not continue the treatment.
Wow. So sorry. This is quite a story. You should get it out there.
Which country did he get the treatment?
I went to VN to get a $30 glasses with eye exam. A $5 massage there too. Many Vietnamese went there to do dental works. All these are without insurance.
Unbelievable
@@sapnaa6576 ARGENTINA. Thank you Argentina for giving my father 6 years longer with me. Eternally greatful.
Ask Bernie, we would save 450 billion a year and 68,000 lives
None of our so-called leaders are coming forward to speak to the people about this
Kyle, I'm only gonna say this once; Defending our right to health from exploitative abusers (capitalists) is NOT murder. IT IS self Defense.
I mean, I get what you are saying, but there is no evidence the accused was denied coverage and that specific CEO denied his coverage. This was an ideologically motivated attack, and the guy was probably not right in the head either. This isn't John Q we're talking about.
100%.
@fenrir7878
Ah, yes. A thinly veiled attempt at name-calling. The guy just wasn’t in his right mind! AKA crazy.
Please, of course it was ideologically motivated. He said so himself. The killing was symbolic. You can’t kill a hydra by cutting off one of its heads. He knows this. We all know this. Hundreds of applicants applied for that CEO position before the gun even cooled off.
The problem is systematic. But at least, we’re all talking.
Yeah I think he agrees w you he can’t really say that tho w such a big platform
@@synthdriver8817 look up the definition of self defense, because it doesn’t involve killing someone for letting someone else die. Before you start strawmanning my argument, by definition you are wrong. I understand your feeling, but frontier justice is NOT the way to do this. ORGANIZE!!
From Canada and I feel so sorry for my friends to the south. I recently was diagnosed with prostate cancer….great medical care, surgery, and recovery….and not a cent out of pocket. No discussion about coverage or NOT makes life easier especially as we get older
Make it illegal for Health Insurance to deny the necessary care
❤❤❤ Bernie.
Yes, I think this murder is going to open a HUGE AND WELL NEEDED AND WAY OVERDUE conversation about how the common man in this country IS CONSTANTLY SCREWED OVER!!! We live with stress all the time and loss because of GREED and we cannot let this disappear like so many other news reports and fade into the background and we all go back to being numb and compliant and complacent.
Already the media is dumbing down on events. All of them defending the corporations. They would, as they are corporations themselves and part of the swamp
Next, corrupt prisons/Jails, judiciary/ legal systems.
Kuddos to you for recommending "SICKO" by Michael Moore. It's from 2007 and a stunning film.
The thing I always find interesting about the "long wait lines" argument against universal healthcare, is that they never mention that after the "long wait", there's no bill for the care administered. I have a feeling people wouldn't mind waiting for healthcare if it meant they weren't financially devastated at the end of their treatment.
And the funny thing is they have long lines in American hospitals LOL. Emergency room wait times are super long in America.
Additionally - typically a 'long wait' is for elective surgery - NOT for lifesaving procedures.
So, anyone who wants to play ip the 'long wait' is purposely taking this phenomonon OUT OF CONTEXT.!
@@barbarafairbanks4578 I waited 12 months for a surgery without which I could expire at any moment, at least this is what my surgeon claimed. People wait years for life-preserving surgeries. The hospitals just send letters every year checking whether people still need that surgery (many don't because they are already 6 feet under). This is happening in Ireland, one of the wealthiest countries in the world.
@@eldridgedavis How do you define long in America? I waited 36 hours last April. After 18 hours I was admitted, but there was no bed for me yet, so spent another 18 hours in pain, in a chair. At least I wasn't 🩸or 🤮 as did another young woman, who waited just as long. How would you fancy that?
I have to say that even in this country, even if you have insurance, the wait times can be absurdly long like months. And then you get hit with a huge bill for the deductible and the co-pays. On top of your exorbitant insurance premiums.
Sicko is brilliant. Watched it a long time ago and it shocked me to the core. This is insanity
Same here. Eyes are wide open
I think Bernie Sanders and Ro Khanna's responses here prove that the progressive movement does not have leaders who are serious about challenging power. I've had enough of this "boo hoo, violence is bad (even when it's a response to violence)" rhetoric.
Yeah, Bernie is all talk at this point. He could have used this opportunity to really hammer down on this and show how sick people are of the elites. He could have made such a strong case for a universal healthcare plan. Instead, he bowed down.
Not a fan of unaliving, but someone brought this front and center. Deal with it, or expect more to come.
Reminds me of a Louis CK bit "OF COURSE murder is bad, but mayybee...don't profit of other people dying and denying care"
I'm from a small European island nation. Free healthcare is enshrined in our constitution as a human right to all nationals. Whether you work or not, the government has the duty to provide you with free healthcare from beginning to end, no questions asked. Our healthcare is also one of the best with state of the art hospital. You can also opt for private healthcare if you like. If you decide to get insurance though, you're paying about $500-1000 per year and you're fully covered for anything except for existing conditions before you opted for the insurance. If you don't get insurance and you decide to pay private healthcare, it's affordable by most people. A doctor's visit is $20-$30. An operation would cost $500-3000$ Insulin is free of charge of you are diabetic.
Free Luigi!
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Luigi is a hottie.
@@dontforgettolike7127 Corporate boot lickers, ewww.
Free Healthcare too !!!
@@dontforgettolike7127 Found the guy who'll snitch on the revolution
Free Luigi !!!!!!
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And what corporations are taking from this is that their CEOs need security.
Right. They think the solution is more security for the CEOs. So CEOs can hire a couple of guys who they call their "security detail" who carry and can drop anyone they think is a threat at the moment. How is anyone okay with that?
In the end, the victim had no problem at all with leaving children without parents, because he finds money more important. So, I can pretend that I care, if that makes you feel better.
Americans at the border cross every day to get dental and medical care in Mexico because even private medical companies are cheaper due to the fact that the government offers FREE healthcare, turns out when companies have to compete against FREE prices drop down significantly, so tell me again which is the S-hole country.
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Americans still pay when they go to Mexico. The difference is Mexico has a lot of dentists needing to keep busy. Ours are in shortage/highway robbery.
@@MusicFromNowhere Yes, OP said that in the comment. There's no need for you to point that out.
Spot on
My sister in law flew to her home country of Poland a few years back to get dental work.
Thank you, Kyle. I have been fighting this fight against corporate greed for over 52 years.
In THIS house, Luigi Mangione is a proud Italian hero! END OF STORY!
I tell you what it is … its anti italian discrimination
He didn't change the system at all, though, so not really. Obviously the issue is that health care coverage shouldn't be for profit, and Luigi didn't speak to that at all in his manifesto.
Literally has a name where I thought he had Italian mob connections. I'm sure if there is an Italian mob gang in prison, they'll welcome him with open arms.
@@mobus1603you expect the system to change in a week?
@@mxkhxi capitalism is so robust and everyone in power is so fixated on trying to make is hate Luigi that sadly, I don't think his actions will change things for the better. If anything I expect we'll see more protections for CEOs
I can understand that feeling of rage you get if nothing ever changes when you try to go the proper legal way, and other people just get away with everything.
my father, who has been a machinist his whole life making good money who was a conservative voted for Trump. Yada yada got diagnosed with cancer recently has been unable to work got fired from his job is losing his health insurance and isnt old enough to retire and get Medicare has suddenly realized that a universal single payee system wouldn’t be so bad... go figure
Lets just say CEOs should have a reason to fear until we have healthcare as a human right in this country
Latest argument I heard from a right winger was, "Well what about people who deliberately make themselves sick like smoking and cancer, or drinking and cirrhosis? That makes it more expensive for the rest of us.". This mentality of "Well someone might cheat", baffles me. I have heard it applied to social welfare too. So the solution is to have nothing at all, help no-one and that way nobody can cheat the system. 🤦♂
And those same Republicans never bothered to bring up the billionaires and the millionaires in this country that cheat all the time..
They use that with unions too. We're supposed to live in fear of lazy coworkers getting one up on the boss, not in fear of not having any protections, voice in our work lives or living wages.
If it's even a problem needed to be addressed, I've heard of plenty of insurance companies who lower the amount you pay for going to the gym or other health-protective behaviours
It's a stupid argument selfish psychopaths like to use in every argument that leads to helping the common good. They are not honest, they use it to distract from the real argument. It's called a straw man fallacy.
People who smoke got addicted by billion dollar companies that put addictive crap in the cigarettes and lied about it. Send the bill to THOSE CEOs.
I share your frustration.
The cheating ceo would still be alive if he had been in jail awaiting trial for insider trading.
It isn't murder when it's a Monster that was taken down.
That holds true no matter who on earth is ended.
Exactly. Where were the crocodile tears when Bin Laden and Saddam Hussein were taken out and America cheered?
Wrong.
@@vincesmith2499 you wouldn't be saying that if you lost a loved one due to lack of care so shut up!
@@vincesmith2499 you wouldn't be saying that if you lost a loved one due to lack of medical coverage.
but won't someone think of the shareholders?
In Helen Lovejoys voice🤣🤣
I did immediately. It will affect their dripping blood dividend.
I nearly swore right now 🤦
You are right! All forms of murder are unacceptable!!!
Why should we feel sorry this guy died cause he’s a father? Pretty much every mass murderer is/was a father too. It’s ridiculous, it’s like saying we should be sorry a ruthless dictator gets assessinated cause he was a father
It’s more about being sorry for their family rather than them because no one choices to be related to immoral people