7.3 PSD CCV MOD FINALLY DEBUNKED
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- Опубликовано: 23 авг 2024
- POWERSTROKE CCV BY PASS OR CATCH CAN MOD DEBUNKED
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Did this mod when my 2000 was 2 years old and never looked back. Engine still strong, doesn't use oil and very little blowby. Great video!
First, I just want to say that I enjoy and appreciate your videos very much, they have been very helpful with my 7.3 2000 Excursion. Before anyone starts blasting me, I have a background in aerospace engineering and I have a very solid understanding of fluid dynamics (yes, AIR is a fluid). At the 5:00 mark you are talking about the CCV port that feeds into the tube that connects the air intake to the turbo.
When the engine is running, the engine/turbo is sucking air IN through the air filter and the inlet connector tube. Because the air is being sucked IN, this causes a significant pressure drop inside the inlet connector tube. Think of it like a straw in a drink, you suck the air out of the end of the straw, this causes reduced pressure inside the straw and the liquid in the drink is drawn up through the tube...it's the same principle. This reduced pressure draws the crankcase gasses through the CCV and into the inlet connector tube. The venturi in a carburetor works the exact same way.
The reason the CCV inlet port is facing 'forward' is for two reasons - first, it acts like a 'ramp' of sorts and helps to get the crankcase gasses more to the center of the airflow so that they can be more evenly dispersed into the airstream to help prevent buildup in any one particular area (this is why crud gets built up evenly all over the place). The second reason is because, due to its shape, if the port was facing 'backwards', it would cause a significant amount of turbulence right before the compressor wheel...which would be very bad for performance.
Did some work on my Excursion recently. Had to remove air box but left tube/Ccv connected to turbo. Turned the truck ON and guess what, the slight blow by it has was sucked into the turbo clear as day. The reverse didn’t happen from what I understood he was trying to say (air pushing into ccv vs pulling gasses out of ccv).
The tube facing the filter works as needed. I’m no engineer but seeing it with my own eyes proves it works.
Bingo. Glad somebody mentioned this.
Yep, works as an eductor to pull the fumes and oil droplets into the turbo.
Great videos. I've been a mechanic all my life and really enjoy the straight forward way you present the facts! Will you show us your mods and maybe how you made the system and components?
Great vid! I really like Power stroke Bill, but he led me astray for years on this one. 300,000 miles w/ factory ccv and your intake valves are caked with nasty oil crud. Run much better vented to the atmosphere
Everyone forgets that diesel engines will run on crankcase fumes/oil with a closed system. Old engines or high output engines can run away on crankcase oil if you break a piston, burn a piston, break a turbo or have worn piston rings oil fills the charge air cooler and can run till it's junk that's why old working class trucks had open crankcase breathers and high output engines had extra breathers to stop oil leaks and runaway's
Love ur channel! It’s helping a lot with my 7.3 build! I did the ccv mod and ran it into my exhaust with a Venturi valve
Nice work!
@@CUSTOMWORKS7.3PSD I’m not sure if it’s the same mod as stated above but I was thinking of using the type of crankcase evaluation system that they usually install in the header collector for race cars
I have a T444E in my Skoolie, yes vented to the air just as IHC designed it. Living in the northeast, I'll gladly take the oil undercoating as a added bonus. Lol Great video,not all live in a reality where truth resides!
Rust prevention as nature intended
Rust prevention as nature intended
I think it comes down to everyones engines run differently by wear, design, altitude, oil viscosity, temp, humidity, and maybe it comes down to what is your personal crankcase pressure to begin with and then decide what it needs Plenty of people debating on whats right or wrong and how to do a ccv mod on youtube. But I don't see many people measure the crankcase pressure before and after
Did this to my obs. Very big difference in how she runs! Has more power and you can just tell she’s happier. Not to mention my hoses on the intake aren’t covered in oil anymore.
This guy is absolutely hilarious! Everything is funny and knowledgeable and his facial expressions! The school bus had me dying 😅. Subscribed!
Kudos sir, Science over witchcraft the cool kids are doing:):) also helpful to remind people that the 14 dollar ebay civic catch can will not work as it needs to flow enough especially if excessive blowby from age or you can kiss main seals goodbye lol. Totally overkill but I personally run electric vacuum scavenging pump setup from corvettes to help ring seal as well, it is that critical:) keep up the fun debunking:)
I’m super glad to have found your very informative channel, you my friend are awesome thanks for sharing!
This is the only channel I will learn from for my 7.3.
This makes sense too me 100% i never did like the idea of that whole system , im gonna change mine out today cuz i gotta get under the valve cover anyway
Do you have plans to show how you did the second ccv? I have my thoughts on how you did it (econoline passenger side valve cover then modify it to have the oil fill neck) (or use the trucks drivers side with a bracket made to allow a ccv to be mounted to it) however I would prefer to see rather than speculate because I tend to overlook similar things or overthink things till it gets complicated.
I don't want to go look right now, but I suspect that those valve covers are interchangeable and so he put another left-side on the right.
Oh, and the filler inlet could be fabricated on
Deleted the CCV on my 2000 I bought new. 2 years after I bought it, I read about the issue. I already had oil weeping out of the cooler boots and the were soft. Still have the truck, still running fine. Doesn't use/burn oil and lots of power. I have consider trying to flush/clean the intercooler out, don't know if it would be worth it. Another great video.
Great info my friend, it has clarified why my 3208 Cat does not have one and my F250 7.3 won't after this video. Thank you . Kind regards and happy new year from Australia.
Always love you stuff! Thanks so much!
Found a CCV catch can made for the T444E & 7.3 by International. Part GDTCCV003 kit. But no luck finding 1 except on RUclips but no link or ph# to obtain the part.
I have that kit on my truck and it works great. My intake is much cleaner. It’s unfortunate that they are not produced anymore. I agree oil consumption has decreased since I installed the “Right” CCV kit.
Found one I think on riffraff diesel or another big diesel site. They want 500 bucks for it!!!!!
The only time I see someone with a leak because of a crank case vent mod, is because they used a cheap catch can that’s very restrictive, or they did a reroute poorly. You can see in the video, he’s using a very small restrictive brass fitting. Or if you run the hose somewhere and it’s pinched, that’ll cause problems. A minor turbo leak doesn’t sound like a CCV mod problem. If the crank case wasn’t ventilated, you’d blow a rear main. And that needs the tranny pulled to fix. A quality catch can, or a well done reroute will work just fine. Also the engine in that video is a 6.0 PSD, but great video nonetheless 👌🏻
The port facing the opposite direction won’t be able to completely overcome the venturi effect. The air flowing into the intake helps suck the ccv gasses
Finally someone debunked this the right way! That guy's whole RUclips channel is a joke. All he does is complain.
I would love to see a how to video on your CCV catch can setup for both sides
Nice! Amazing what people beleive, nice to get the real facts once in awhile!
Thank you so for that love you're schooling.. again thank you so much 🙏
I hear you brother. I've driven over the rd for 30 plus and my cats all vent to the atmosphere and my 7.3.
I'm watching this again because you seem to be having so much fun doing it.
Statements, and a Question!
Statements:
My coffee cup doesn't get sticky or weird, until sometime after I stop adding fresh coffee.
If it were day one, I would certainly vent to the atmosphere!
However, right now (per my inspection of an intercooler pipe) what I have is Clean, Wet, Fresh oil...
presumably throughout, the affected components, but at the very least, downstream of the turbo--which I'm okay with!
If I stop refreshing it then, it will be moving toward Old, Dry, Dirty junk.
Question:
Am I crazy?
No not crazy most 7.3 live there entire life this way. If your looking for absolute perfection then its a problem if your cool with it as stated your good the world won't end nor your 7.3 psd
to be fair if you have dust coming into your engine past the air filter you were already on borrowed time
Does anyone know how he added a second catch can to the passenger side do you have to use a driver's side valve cover? And do you periodically have to drain the catch can?
If you find out please let me know too!
Looks like you just cut new holes in a passenger side VC and sealed it up? I think I’d rather hole-saw 1 hole for the oil filler neck on another DS VC rather than 2? Any luck with this method? Does the hole need to be rounded off on the inside somehow? 🤔
Could you give a more detailed video on your install, especially the catch can?
Now I'm interested in how you modified the Pax side valve cover for a CCV to match your driver's side mod.
Since you've done this to "all" of your trucks, perhaps you already have or could now do a video???
It seems simple in theory but we all know that those are the things that tend to have the biggest oversights and thus the biggest consequences.
Perhaps you simply templated the port holes and then welded or used some other means to affix the CCV???
I'm thinking about the driver's side design and that it's meant to seal at the junction... But I can't replicate that in my home garage.... Or can I????
I will say this.... I'm replacing the internal injector and glow plug harness/gasket, so I just pulled all of those parts.
The inside of the intakes were pretty doggone clean.
The turbo looked clean, too.
Those original valve covers looked shiny new on the inside.
The 2001 and beyond Gunk.... was on the outside of everything.
I had not noticed any smoke nor any oil loss.
To my knowledge and all appearances, these were the original harnesses and gasket.
All were in great shape, although the Pax side internal connector had slipped its clip-connect.
I saw that after I removed the gasket.... well, I should say that it was clearly obvious once the gasket was out... The connector had one side down at an angle, so it hadn't completely fallen off, but it was free and not firing.
I will throughout check for wire breaks with pressure and flex and then hang onto them perhaps.
I purchased new gaskets that no longer use a clip-connect, but simply route wire through and tie to the proper location.
The old gasket still had ties holding the wires in place on the gasket "frame", so I suppose they are high heat and meant to remain in place to ensure against a wire interfering with the rockers, etc???
Bill is not completely wrong, if you kink the hose, then it will not vent properly, and it will leak like a sieve when you shut it off. When I did mine, I just flipped the doghouse 180 degrees, put on new O-rings, flipped the elbow straight up, and put a K&N 62-1030 PCV filter on the elbow, never had a problem or smell since putting this filter on. The reason I know a collapsed hose will cause a leak, is before I got the above part, I tried one that had a rubber flange; the rubber flange collapsed, so it was not venting, and when I shut it off, I had LOTS of leaks; scared the mess out of me, lol. switched out to this one, which has a steel flange, and have not had a problem, or leak since.
we use hot rated pex lines
I flipped my doghouse and went to home depot, got a 5' stick of ¾" 1“ (can't remember which but it barely fits snug into the elbow) or PEX, heated it up with a torch to put a slight bend going straight down the firewall and it lands about 3' under the shield cover thing (idk what it's called lol)
*of PEX
Hi Clint! I appreciate the wisdom. I have a 97 powerstroke. Im having a blowby on the dipstick. Can that be due to a clog ccv?
Thanks for the video Clint.
I actually cut that stem off of the intake to reduce the air resistance to flow. my turbo inside is quite clean but I still get some oil in the intercooler tubes like normal.. need to remove and clean the intercooler maybe after like 268K miles.
Clint what's your thoughts about installing a crank case filter just above the valve covers?
The older vehicles use to vent the crank case into the air filter housing using a pcv valve
I had a 7.3 a few of them, but i run a 6.0 now . do i need to do this to the 6.0?. great video. thanks for the info.
Thank you, sir. Much appreciated.
So you took a driver side valve cover and placed it on the passenger side so you can run two ccv's? Never thought of that, I just run the one. I do get the bad smell though. I may need the catch can.
So how is the modification done on passenger side valve????
get a valve cover with the ccv hole, both cover should be the same exact as each other I believe
@@CarlosMendoza-wu2zd that would put ccv to front of motor if you use driver side cover and no place to install oil fill tube ????
Your sir...
Are King of mechanic
Did I see a Banks power elbow installed? If so, do you like that over a standard downpipe? Thanks
Yeah, I’m a little confused my buddy has a 1998 E450 and when I went to the air filter box, the filter at fresh oil on it, so the Pvc Do you suggest get a new one and put it on in a different direction? Just looking for some answers. Thanks.
Very good info, thank you! I do have one question though; on your truck, after the catch can, the hose that vents to atmosphere, where is it mounted? I've heard it's bad to run the hose all the way along the frame to the back bumper. Do you just have a short length of hose that dumps out underneath the firewall?
The catch cans are right where the frame turns straight with the rubber tubes extending from the cans 6 inches past the front doors and yes thats all the further you want to run the tubes not past the front doors more than 6 inches thats why I dont deal with smell or fumes, we tried running to the back of the cab but if you live in cold weather the ends freeze shut
@@CUSTOMWORKS7.3PSD Thank you!!
I vented my blow buy gases outside years ago ( no catch can), problem solved. No dust gets through my air filter, and the intake pipe after the filter is spotless.
everyone hates on bill but he has helped me alot
i love bill i learned alotfrom him he not an idiot. that mans videos help alot of people. noones perfect
Bill is a great guy I just can't agree with this with him It was nothing more than a federal requirement that causes issues over time
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I see the point you were trying to make, but there should not be any air trying to force its way down the CCV port. That would only happen if air is blown into the filter externally, but as it stands the air gets sucked through it via the engine and turbo. Therefore, the air is only flowing in one direction in the intake tubes (pulled through the filter and pulling through the CCV port).
next time you have your turbo down pipe off start the truck and experience just at a idle how much air is being pushed out, Then you'll get it
I noticed that you had links for two separate tanks. Is there one of them that is better than the other one or are they both the same that you just have to choose from different designs?
Hell the 6.9 and 7.3 idi in the pick ups had the cdr valves. Same thing. Vents crankcase gasses to the intake. Would turn the intake sticky black
How do you add the breather to th passenger side?
Great video thanks for the info
No problem 👍
Interestin'. Good to know.
If my engine is running the turbo PULLS air into it. The turbo creates a vacuum on the air filter . MY dt444e vents the crank case air down beside the engine even with the bottom of the oil pan. It's that way from the Factory. I'm sure the engine is much better off if it doesn't have to recirculate exhaust gas from the crankcase. This is the best way unless you're from California, there they collect that air and ship it out of state.
So what filters and sensors can we change to keep the engine running besides the obvious oil air and fuel... there are others
Wow!! Intresting!!!🤔👍
need to ask a question change a few sensors cam and icp and a fuel filter have a weird driving issue the can sensor was the international one in the box for my 2001 f350 powerstroke the truck had stock fuel type filter was out of town and changed it to a wicks at the same time the cam sensor and ipc now it has a sound pitch change all of a sudden its running smooth and good and then the sound pitch changes like all of a sudden its breathing different then it back to normal so weird Im thinking either its the fuel filter from wicks or the ipc or maybe cam sensor not sure the power is always there the sound just changes
I have a 95 f250 with a 7.3 and I saw a fellow do a mod on his newer 7.3 where he basically turned that pcv valve thing around to face back, then he ran a hose from that around, over the brake booster and then down out under the truck. so the gasses get out but that actual oil stays in. makes sense to me. yonna run it for awhile like that and then see if there's a better way. but the intake, turbo was very oily from the pcv. and the pcv caused oil to seep out over time from the intake boosts and basically make the engine gross
@Josh ..i did the exact same thing on my 2017 f350 6.7 diesel..kept the factory ccv box(,first checked inside if it could plug up anytime) my ccv box is empty inside first version on 6.7..so disconnect the hose going to my turbine housing literally 3inches from the giant turbine wheel,..plugged off the intake hole,..than i turned back the ccv box pipe towards brake booster attached a washing machine drain hose and ran it down behind driver front wheel well liner and mudflap ..NOTE ...6.7 has huge blowby on idle too soo all i kept smelling is burnt oil and my puddle lights showed oil vapor just floating around mmy driver door..and i idle lots..so NEW version...take the entire hose pull it back into engine bay..now on top of the engine below the windshield wiper plastic cowl i routed it to tge passenger side into the bottom of air filter box..this way no smell,filter still stops vapor from getting in the intake especially since i made sure the vent hose opening to the bottom of the air filter box so any oil i just wash out time to time..
How do you install the passenger side valve cover?
Hello hope all is well. Love your channel. I have seen that video. And I do that video is a 6.0L power stroke. And that’s all that Bill working on is 6.0 only not the 7.3L. 🎉🎉🎉
We know it was the best example I could find
Idk how everybody else feels but that powerstroke help guy could actually learn some new thinks if he wasnt so cocky, that was always the impression i got from him
I know this is an older video, but does anyone know what year they started requiring CCVs on 7.3s? Or have they always had them? I know the EPA really cracked down in 97. I ask because I have a 95 Econoline 7.3 and it’s way too cramped in that engine bay to go digging around when im inexperienced in the mechanics of it. Just wanna know if it’s something I need to worry about.
I'm glad I'm not there only one who figured it out.
I put a barbed fitting into my passenger side valve cover with a hose that is tapped into my exhaust pipe
I did mine a couple of weeks ago. It runs better than it ever has. Cooler and the turbo is at its best. Thanks for the great info Clint . My truck is a early 1999 450.
So are you just running 2 right side covers ?
Right on
I was just wondering how you added the CCV or dog house to the passenger side valve cover
We will do a video on this soon
@@CUSTOMWORKS7.3PSD Is it soon yet?
what are your thoughts on running the CCV to the exhaust with a check valve to prevent the exhaust gasses from pushing the vapors back in? I know it was pretty popular back in the day with drag cars and such before catch cans became a thing. some weld in kits are also made to be welded in at a 45 degree angle to create some form of suction on the CCV.
We don't install check valves The pipe we install in the exhaust for the ccv is exact parallel with exhaust pipe has a 22 degree bend externally for the tube hook up
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Power stroke bill is a legend. Show the whole video and his extensive knowledge strictly on power stroke engines before you criticize. He has proven his knowledge time and time again.
No doubt But Bill is wrong here
I would love to re-route my CCV, but living in northern Manitoba, I can't/don't want to take the chance of the hose freezing up and blowing out my seals. What do you recommend for people that live in -30C environments?
Bill Hewit is usually very good on repair Info. He really dropped the ball on CCV. I will now add one on passenger side when I add Adrenaline HPOP and reseal injectors. Have you ever considered a regulated return fuel system that cans the fuel bowl. I did an Irate diesel regulated return and Fass Titanium pump over 100k miles ago. 0 problems more power and saves injectors as the fuel circulates thru the head leaving no air bubbles to get hammered out thru the 7.3 most common Injectors to fail. Late 1999 7.3 260k original Injectors and HPOP
@@AtlasLathe how will you add a passenger side ccv? Will you just get a random pcv and a bung or will you use the OE ccv? How do you add the ccv if you’re going that route?
Does anyone know if he ever explained how he did the mod on the passenger side?
would the vacuum pump for the 4wd system be enough flow to keep the crank case under slight vacuum? The 4wd system never works in auto anyways... So it would be a decent sacrifice.
I'm not sure 100 percent but I would say no
mine just setup like all the old ass tractor that still run work to this day ,
AT THE 13:00 MINUTE MARK YOU MENTION ADDING ANOTHER CCV COVER AND VENTING OUT TO A CATCH CAN, DO YOU HAVE A EXAMPLE OR EXPLANATION AS TO HOW TO DO THIS?
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@CUSTOMWORKS7.3PSD have you tried just putting a crankcase breather above the motor? Wouldn't that let the oil just drain back down with gravity? I wonder whether it would smoke out through the tiny air breather filter too much or clog it??? Maybe steel wool would help keep oil and smoke from exiting..... have you tried this or what's your thoughts? Thank you so much for your time and happy holidays!
What should we do with the exposed, plastic, CCV port hanging out in the middle of the air in pipe? Cut it off and jb weld patch the hole?
I like JB and mushroom the out side so it can't get sucked in to the pipe
I left a comment on your Biden video and i think this is my solution to the oil suit residue on my Air Filter. Ordering the catch can today. Thanks for your great info! Helps me out tremendously!
I have watched this video over and over when u remove the ccv on air tube what is used to plug hole and do u have a video of how to hook up one of the mods you have posted from Amazon
will be doing a video on this soon
Dam so you’re telling me there’s another one of these things on the other valve cover? Lmao. Where does the other one lead to? (Passenger side)
So i vented my 7.3 to atmosphere also, one thing i dont like about it is a healthy amount if smoke will come outta the motor when it idles for a few minutes or longer, have you had any trouble with this?
No I don't But I have dual breathers one on each valve cover that leads to a custom built catch then to the exhaust that heats and dissipates that blow by
could i rig the ccv vent hose down below engine with no catch cans?
Last time I checked vacuum in a crankcase is a good thing
RIP Bill, the one thing i never agreed with you on.
Can you make video on how you made this. Thank you . your videos are awesome 👌
Any more info on how you did the passenger side?
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So do u have to have a catch can or no
What catch can would u recommend so I can avoid a cheap one, and also what did u use to plug the nipple on the intake pipe
I'm not using a catch can but I used a 5' piece of 1" PEX from home depot, and cut about an inch off. Heated it up the end just enough for it to expand enough to fit over the port, put a hose clamp and then put another hose clamp over a brass plug intended to fit 1" pipe
I cut about 1½" piece of the PEX to plug it, and used the rest to route it under the truck. Mine ended right underneath where there's some kinda shield
Ok so as I read in the comments it really doesn’t matter if this is done it’s more just to get the right information out . RIGHT ???
correct personal preference here
I bought one of the ADDw1 oil catch cans. Would that be good enough to run for this set up
as long as you use a min 5/8 ID input and out put perfer 3/4 buy separate if needed
Do u have any videos on transmission seals? My 7.3 4x4 excursion started pissing atf all over the place last week.
not yet but front and rear trany seals if that's what went are very easy its just the killer if you need to pull the trans out
@@CUSTOMWORKS7.3PSD excellent. Thanks again for the advice. Looks like I know what I'm doing first half of my 4th of july
What are your thoughts on water meth injection wold be good to hear .another great clip thanks.
If you look on the 7.3 international trucks around the same year they vent to outside
I wont even use a catch can 😂
I did this mod and now I’m facing a problem.
Oil coming out from dipstick tube,I guess much pressure has been into it. Anyone with the same problem?
you need to go back and check your work the system is plugged up some how
@@CUSTOMWORKS7.3PSD thank you so much for the response .
I did change the ccv for new one ,I change the catch can for a baffle one and it still do it . Hose lines are pretty much straight (no kinks bends) . The hose going into the intake it’s just punched thru ,maybe this is creating a positive pressure into the ccv?
My intake doesn’t have the “flange/flap” inside
Rest in peace Bill
Did you plug the ccv port on the air intake?
Yes I use epoxy the puddy and mushroom both sides
Thanks for the informative video... my problem is living in California, we have mandatory smog checks every two years and technicians h=do a visual inspection to make sure all the factory parts are in place and connected properly. So... for me bypassing the ccv routed into the turbo may not be a viable option... unless I make a system to remove and reset to factory specs every two years...
Your problem is living in Commifornia. The solution is to move from that hell hole lmao.
Ok. Clint. Love your videos . BUT FACT I HAVE 519K ON 99 F250 PULLS 8K 90% OF LIFE . TOTALLY STOCK. ONLY THINGS REPLACED IS WATER PUMPS AND A TRANSMISSION. ORIGINAL BOOTS. NEVER LIFTED A VALVECOVER.
Thanks!what the proper battery for my 2001 f550 6speed?
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Air that goes in the turbo is sucked not pushed in, with that being said even if CCV is faced to the opposite direction air is still going to be sucked form the easiest path possible